Now you are doing the exact same thing to anyone who disagrees with Obama.
You and your left wing buddies call anyone who disagrees with Obama a racist
or links them with Timothy McVeigh, who has NOTHING to do with the tea party
movement. Can't you realize that you are using the same dirty tricks and
tactics that Fox news used? Can't you just attack the "Tea Party" people on
their policies instead of lying about them and using the same tactics fox
news used when Bush was in "Power"
Seon
p.s I'm anti war and will continue to be anti Obama until he pulls non
combat troops out of Iraq and ends the Patriot act and all other
unconstitutional acts passed by Bush and gets rid of the dictatorial powers
he inherited from Bush
The TEA PARTY are not idiots. They are soundly disgusted with a rotten
president for ruining our country and trying to turn it into a socialist state.
They are the law and order and give me my country back arm of the of the overall
Republican movement.
They are primarily the people with the gray hair and wave the American flag,
instead of burning it.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
>When Bush was in "Power" and you people protested him the right wing media
>went after you. They called you communist and anti American. I remember
>watching Sean Hannity call a anti war person a "Bad American" and of course
>they called Cindy Sheehan crazy and Michael Moore a traitor.
Yep.
>Now you are doing the exact same thing to anyone who disagrees with Obama.
>You and your left wing buddies call anyone who disagrees with Obama a racist
>or links them with Timothy McVeigh, who has NOTHING to do with the tea party
>movement. Can't you realize that you are using the same dirty tricks and
>tactics that Fox news used? Can't you just attack the "Tea Party" people on
>their policies instead of lying about them and using the same tactics fox
>news used when Bush was in "Power"
>Seon
Of course he does.
>p.s I'm anti war and will continue to be anti Obama until he pulls non
>combat troops out of Iraq and ends the Patriot act and all other
>unconstitutional acts passed by Bush and gets rid of the dictatorial powers
>he inherited from Bush
We Americans were happy when President Bush was in office. Now I'm disgusted.
It is my hope and my anticipation that the 'rats will be soundly defeated this
fall, and that buckwheat will be run out of office even before he gets to run
for reelection.
No, they are mostly uneducated retards on public (socialist) dole.
>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is a
Obama is, as Michael Savage so accurately says, a Red Diaper Doper
Baby.
Barack was raised a Marxist. His parents were Marxist.
Barack's childhood mentor in Hawaii was a Communist writer and poet.
In his book, "Dreams of My Father" he wrote,
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends
carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign
students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural
feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and
wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed
neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground
out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud
that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's
stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.
We were alienated."
There's no dispute Barack is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Marxist
agitator.
The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
deserve from said greedy corporations".
That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
“Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community
organizers is showing its effectiveness,” Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
Globe. “It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
learned his lesson well."
“I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being
applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
we approach his 100th birthday.”
You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
teabagging.
-
Our Tax Code Is A Man-Made Disaster
-Neal Boorzt
Who gives a FUCK what you think?
You're an Australian, a homo, you don't pay taxes in MY country, and you don't
vote in MY country.
Fuck off, homo Australian.
The Pope forget to add "And our cover-up of priests diddling little
kids was *almost* perfect."
-Tom Sr.
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:51:48 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is a
>>communist, BC kooks, people who think Obama is a Muslim, people who
>>probably
>>believed the traitors in the Switchboard. But can't you attack them on
>>their
>>stupidly instead of making up lies like they are all Timothy McVeigh?
>
> The TEA PARTY are not idiots. They are soundly disgusted with a rotten
> president for ruining our country and trying to turn it into a socialist
> state.
> They are the law and order and give me my country back arm of the of the
> overall
> Republican movement.
>
> They are primarily the people with the gray hair and wave the American
> flag,
> instead of burning it.
>
The BC kooks, the one's who believe Obama is a socialist etc are. But the
one's who are generally against big spending and big government or generally
are against health care have genuine issues.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6sg0t55pf3q0aeem6...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:51:48 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is a
>>communist, BC kooks, people who think Obama is a Muslim, people who
>>probably
>>believed the traitors in the Switchboard. But can't you attack them on
>>their
>>stupidly instead of making up lies like they are all Timothy McVeigh?
>>
> Obama is, as Michael Savage so accurately says, a Red Diaper Doper
> Baby.
>
Michael Savage is a racist moron.
> Barack was raised a Marxist. His parents were Marxist.
>
His parents MAY be Marxists but that doesn't mean he is one. Remember he was
adopted by his grandparents.
> Barack's childhood mentor in Hawaii was a Communist writer and poet.
>
So what?
> In his book, "Dreams of My Father" he wrote,
>
> "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends
> carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign
> students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural
> feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and
> wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed
> neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground
> out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud
> that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's
> stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.
> We were alienated."
>
That just makes him a typical leftist.
> There's no dispute Barack is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Marxist
> agitator.
>
Only in you deluded rightards brains.
> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>
> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>
*yawn*
> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
> learned his lesson well."
>
OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
> we approach his 100th birthday."
>
Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended to
do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>
And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party protestors.
> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
> teabagging.
>
I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a HUGE
difference.
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:qdf0t5hu9fj7100lt...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:45:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>When Bush was in "Power" and you people protested him the right wing media
>>went after you. They called you communist and anti American. I remember
>>watching Sean Hannity call a anti war person a "Bad American" and of
>>course
>>they called Cindy Sheehan crazy and Michael Moore a traitor.
>
> Yep.
>
>>Now you are doing the exact same thing to anyone who disagrees with Obama.
>>You and your left wing buddies call anyone who disagrees with Obama a
>>racist
>>or links them with Timothy McVeigh, who has NOTHING to do with the tea
>>party
>>movement. Can't you realize that you are using the same dirty tricks and
>>tactics that Fox news used? Can't you just attack the "Tea Party" people
>>on
>>their policies instead of lying about them and using the same tactics fox
>>news used when Bush was in "Power"
>>Seon
>
> Of course he does.
>
If you call anyone who disagrees with Obama's policies of being a racist
debating them on facts...
>>p.s I'm anti war and will continue to be anti Obama until he pulls non
>>combat troops out of Iraq and ends the Patriot act and all other
>>unconstitutional acts passed by Bush and gets rid of the dictatorial
>>powers
>>he inherited from Bush
>
> We Americans were happy when President Bush was in office. Now I'm
> disgusted.
> It is my hope and my anticipation that the 'rats will be soundly defeated
> this
> fall, and that buckwheat will be run out of office even before he gets to
> run
> for reelection.
>
Up until his approval rating dropped to about 30%. I hope you run everyone
who is in the bankers pockets out of office before the next election. Firing
congress (except for those who voted against Bush and against the bailout)
is a good idea.
>
>
>"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6sg0t55pf3q0aeem6...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:51:48 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is a
>>>communist, BC kooks, people who think Obama is a Muslim, people who
>>>probably
>>>believed the traitors in the Switchboard. But can't you attack them on
>>>their
>>>stupidly instead of making up lies like they are all Timothy McVeigh?
>>>
>> Obama is, as Michael Savage so accurately says, a Red Diaper Doper
>> Baby.
>>
>Michael Savage is a racist moron.
>
>> Barack was raised a Marxist. His parents were Marxist.
>>
>His parents MAY be Marxists but that doesn't mean he is one. Remember he was
>adopted by his grandparents.
His grandparents are the ones who introduced Obama to Frank Marshall
Davis a known author, poet and Communist. Davis mentored Obama.
Obama's own words gives us insight as to his thinking. From "Dreams of
My Father":
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully.
The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The
Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and
punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather
jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz
Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes
in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began
to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions.
We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated."
In Chicago, Obama was part of the New Party. Look it up.
>
>> Barack's childhood mentor in Hawaii was a Communist writer and poet.
>>
>So what?
Frank Marshall Davis was a father figure for Obama.
>
>> In his book, "Dreams of My Father" he wrote,
>>
>> "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends
>> carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign
>> students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural
>> feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and
>> wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed
>> neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground
>> out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud
>> that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's
>> stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.
>> We were alienated."
>>
>That just makes him a typical leftist.
>
>> There's no dispute Barack is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Marxist
>> agitator.
>>
>Only in you deluded rightards brains.
Prove me wrong. You might also want to know that Hillary Clinton wrote
her senior thesis on Saul Alinsky.
>
>> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
>> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
>> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
>> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>>
>> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>>
>*yawn*
>
>> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
>> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
>> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
>> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
>> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
>> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
>> learned his lesson well."
>>
>OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
You are ignorant of Saul Alinsky.
I see you are too lazy or too mentally incompetent to look at the
whole package. Obama's whole life is surrounded by Marxism.
>
>> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
>> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
>> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
>> we approach his 100th birthday."
>>
>Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended to
>do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals"
is the "Das Kapital" for community organizers.
According to Marx, the central driving force of capitalism is in the
exploitation and alienation of labor. The ultimate source of
capitalist profits and surplus is the unpaid labor of wage laborers.
That is Barack Obama.
>
>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>
>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party protestors.
>
>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>> teabagging.
>>
>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a HUGE
>difference.
>
Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
organization just like other Leftys in the media.
You should try a novel approach and dispute what I have written with
facts.
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:s2f0t51duidmpid8l...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:51:48 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is a
>>>communist, BC kooks, people who think Obama is a Muslim, people who
>>>probably
>>>believed the traitors in the Switchboard. But can't you attack them on
>>>their
>>>stupidly instead of making up lies like they are all Timothy McVeigh?
>>
>> The TEA PARTY are not idiots. They are soundly disgusted with a rotten
>> president for ruining our country and trying to turn it into a socialist
>> state.
>> They are the law and order and give me my country back arm of the of the
>> overall
>> Republican movement.
>>
>> They are primarily the people with the gray hair and wave the American
>> flag,
>> instead of burning it.
>>
>The BC kooks, the one's who believe Obama is a socialist etc are. But the
>one's who are generally against big spending and big government or generally
>are against health care have genuine issues.
>
Obama is a Marxist. There's nothing kooky about believing that. All
you have to do is take a hard look at the people he surrounds himself
with. These people either supported other Marxists or Maoists or was
one themselves. You also have to take his parents into consideration.
Both were Marxist. His childhood mentor in Hawaii was a Communist
author. In his book, he writes he sought out the Marxist students and
professors while in college. He was trained in community organizing
under the teachings of Saul Alinsky. Many of his czars are Marxists.
Van Jones and Anita Dunn had to resign because they were too open with
their beliefs. Obama was a member of a church for 20 years, where he
got married and his children baptized which preached the Marxist
Black Liberation Theology which has its origins in Liberation Theology
founded by a Marxist priest in South America.
You an other Obamatrons will probably pooh pooh the idea that Obama is
a Marxist. But Obama is like an artichoke. One has peel its layers to
get to the heart. I peeled Obama before he became President.
Unfortunately, investigating reporters let it slide for fear of being
called racist. The Left is till pushing that fear.
The Tea Party movement is basically against big government, huge
deficits and the debt.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yep and we will laugh at the idiots who call Obama a Marxist. By the way
think about this, Marxists believe in "Spreading the wealth" but Obama's
bailouts only help the big banks and wallstreet. How is that spreading the
wealth? Obama is a GLOBALIST.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7lt2t5pshm9bbcbu4...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:34:47 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6sg0t55pf3q0aeem6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:51:48 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Tea Party people are idiots. It is full of people who think Obama is
>>>>a
>>>>communist, BC kooks, people who think Obama is a Muslim, people who
>>>>probably
>>>>believed the traitors in the Switchboard. But can't you attack them on
>>>>their
>>>>stupidly instead of making up lies like they are all Timothy McVeigh?
>>>>
>>> Obama is, as Michael Savage so accurately says, a Red Diaper Doper
>>> Baby.
>>>
>>Michael Savage is a racist moron.
>>
>>> Barack was raised a Marxist. His parents were Marxist.
>>>
>>His parents MAY be Marxists but that doesn't mean he is one. Remember he
>>was
>>adopted by his grandparents.
>
> His grandparents are the ones who introduced Obama to Frank Marshall
> Davis a known author, poet and Communist. Davis mentored Obama.
>
So? introducing someone to a historic figure does not mean you agree with
their polices.
>
> Obama's own words gives us insight as to his thinking. From "Dreams of
> My Father":
>
> "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully.
> The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The
> Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and
> punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather
> jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz
> Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes
> in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began
> to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions.
> We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated."
>
> In Chicago, Obama was part of the New Party. Look it up.
>>
>>> Barack's childhood mentor in Hawaii was a Communist writer and poet.
>>>
>>So what?
>
> Frank Marshall Davis was a father figure for Obama.
>>
So? My dad is an atheist, it doesn't mean I'm an atheist.
>>> In his book, "Dreams of My Father" he wrote,
>>>
>>> "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends
>>> carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign
>>> students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural
>>> feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and
>>> wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed
>>> neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism and patriarchy. When we ground
>>> out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud
>>> that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's
>>> stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.
>>> We were alienated."
>>>
>>That just makes him a typical leftist.
>
>>
>>> There's no dispute Barack is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Marxist
>>> agitator.
>>>
>>Only in you deluded rightards brains.
>
> Prove me wrong. You might also want to know that Hillary Clinton wrote
> her senior thesis on Saul Alinsky.
>>
Prove you right...and do you have a copy of her essay? Does she agree with
him?
>>> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
>>> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
>>> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
>>> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>>>
>>> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>>>
>>*yawn*
>>
>>> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
>>> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
>>> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
>>> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
>>> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
>>> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
>>> learned his lesson well."
>>>
>>OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
>
> You are ignorant of Saul Alinsky.
>
> I see you are too lazy or too mentally incompetent to look at the
> whole package. Obama's whole life is surrounded by Marxism.
>>
And he's a Muslim too, right?
>>> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
>>> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
>>> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
>>> we approach his 100th birthday."
>>>
>>Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended
>>to
>>do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
>
> He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals"
> is the "Das Kapital" for community organizers.
>
> According to Marx, the central driving force of capitalism is in the
> exploitation and alienation of labor. The ultimate source of
> capitalist profits and surplus is the unpaid labor of wage laborers.
>
> That is Barack Obama.
>
>>
But he also believed in spreading the wealth. With Obama the rich get richer
and the poor get poorer. He works for wallstreet and the big banks, not the
American people.
>>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>>
>>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party protestors.
>>
>>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>>> teabagging.
>>>
>>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a HUGE
>>difference.
>>
> Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
> organization just like other Leftys in the media.
>
He's not my "partner" I started off by asking him to stop resorting to those
lies.
> You should try a novel approach and dispute what I have written with
> facts.
>
I will when you post facts.
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vote during the first year, and pledge to advocate on behalf of
individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.
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Our moral, political, and economic liberties are inherent, not granted
by our government. It is essential to the practice of these liberties
that we be free from restriction over our peaceful political
expression and free from excessive control over our economic choices.
Limited Government
The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers
that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these
being the protection of our liberties by administering justice and
ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our
country’s sovereign borders. When our government ventures beyond these
functions and attempts to increase its power over the marketplace and
the economic decisions of individuals, our liberties are diminished
and the probability of corruption, internal strife, economic
depression, and poverty increases.
Economic Freedom
The most powerful, proven instrument of material and social progress
is the free market. The market economy, driven by the accumulated
expressions of individual economic choices, is the only economic
system that preserves and enhances individual liberty. Any other
economic system, regardless of its intended pragmatic benefits,
undermines our fundamental rights as free people.
1. Protect the Constitution
Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the
Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.
(82.03%)
2. Reject Cap & Trade
Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise
consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with
virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)
3. Demand a Balanced Budget
Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced
budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)
4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the
internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than
4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)
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in Washington
Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of
federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and
identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and
programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for
wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited
government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)
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Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal
spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of
population growth. (56.57%)
7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health
care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more
affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-
market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted
by state boundaries. (56.39%)
8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy
Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our
dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and
reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation,
lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)
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Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and
then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)
10. Stop the Tax Hikes
Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income,
capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011.
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No one is against health care, igmo. They're against the US Government
siezing control of health insurance - which is what just happened.
"Mort Davis" <gdinde...@go.com> wrote in message
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Or perhaps Obama's particular version of health care? All I know is it is
not a racial thing. There would be tea party people if Hillary was
president.
In 1969 Hillary Clinton wrote her 92-page senior thesis on Alinsky's
theories. A great admirer of Alinsky's blend of ruthless and stealth
activist tactics, Hillary personally interviewed the famed author for
her project. She concluded her thesis by stating:
"Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous
socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared -- just as
Eugene Debs [the five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S.
President] or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared,
because each embraced the most radical of political faiths --
democracy."
Hillary would maintain her allegiance to Alinsky's teachings
throughout her adult life. According to a March 2007 Washington Post
report:
"As first lady, Clinton occasionally lent her name to projects
endorsed by the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), the Alinsky group
that had offered her a job in 1968. She raised money and attended two
events organized by the Washington Interfaith Network, an IAF
affiliate."
Ultimately, Hillary's investigation of Alinsky's methods and ideals
led her to conclude that the Lyndon Johnson-era federal antipoverty
programs did not go far enough in redistributing wealth among the
American people, and did not give sufficient power to the poor.
>
>>>> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
>>>> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
>>>> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
>>>> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>>>>
>>>> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>>>>
>>>*yawn*
>>>
>>>> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
>>>> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
>>>> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
>>>> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
>>>> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
>>>> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
>>>> learned his lesson well."
>>>>
>>>OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
>>
>> You are ignorant of Saul Alinsky.
>>
>> I see you are too lazy or too mentally incompetent to look at the
>> whole package. Obama's whole life is surrounded by Marxism.
>>>
>And he's a Muslim too, right?
You ask that question to avoid Obama's Marxism.
>
>>>> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
>>>> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
>>>> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
>>>> we approach his 100th birthday."
>>>>
>>>Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended
>>>to
>>>do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
>>
>> He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals"
>> is the "Das Kapital" for community organizers.
>>
>> According to Marx, the central driving force of capitalism is in the
>> exploitation and alienation of labor. The ultimate source of
>> capitalist profits and surplus is the unpaid labor of wage laborers.
>>
>> That is Barack Obama.
>>
>>>
>But he also believed in spreading the wealth. With Obama the rich get richer
>and the poor get poorer. He works for wallstreet and the big banks, not the
>American people.
Obama cannot main control without help. He does that with top-down
control.
>
>>>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>>>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>>>
>>>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party protestors.
>>>
>>>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>>>> teabagging.
>>>>
>>>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a HUGE
>>>difference.
>>>
>> Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
>> organization just like other Leftys in the media.
>>
>He's not my "partner" I started off by asking him to stop resorting to those
>lies.
What are those love notes in this newsgroup about?
>
>> You should try a novel approach and dispute what I have written with
>> facts.
>>
>I will when you post facts.
>
I have and you can't dispute them.
Bailouts were nothing more than payback for Obama's supporters. He
can exercise his control over the people of the United States unless
he has accomplices. He's doing it by having government handle student
loans to make those students beholden to the almighty government
bureaucracy. The healthcare law creates dozens of new government
agencies under Obama's authority. Cap 'n Trade allows government
control energy.
You say Obama is a globalist. Of course he is. He cares how the rest
of the world perceives him at the expense of the American people. He
puts the interest of the world before he even cares about the
interests of Americans. Obama does not believe in the sovereignty of
the United States. He alienates our allies in order to kowtow to our
adversaries.
"Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head"
<messi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Yep and we will laugh at the idiots who call Obama a Marxist.
> Foreign trash, like you, just loves to pretend that it's American and
> that all Americans are on its side...Why is that?
>
Wow a racist how nice um no it's not America bigot it is the Elite that
controls America and is using America. If American's woke up today they
would overthrow the government and there would be another 1776.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Exactly like Bush he bows to dictators and appeases Europe etc. Well maybe
Bush didn't do the latter. And yes that's what his bailouts were for. It
wasn't to "Spread the wealth" it is just corruption and helping the rich get
rich and the poor get poorer.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It seems as though I can't deny that Hillary Clinton does indeed admire Saul
Alinsky.
>>
>>>>> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
>>>>> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
>>>>> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
>>>>> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>>>>>
>>>>> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>>>>>
>>>>*yawn*
>>>>
>>>>> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
>>>>> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
>>>>> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
>>>>> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
>>>>> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
>>>>> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
>>>>> learned his lesson well."
>>>>>
>>>>OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
>>>
>>> You are ignorant of Saul Alinsky.
>>>
>>> I see you are too lazy or too mentally incompetent to look at the
>>> whole package. Obama's whole life is surrounded by Marxism.
>>>>
>>And he's a Muslim too, right?
>
> You ask that question to avoid Obama's Marxism.
>>
No my point is all this Obama is a Muslim and Obama is a Communist is just
right wing propaganda. It didn't work in the election and it won't work now.
>>>>> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
>>>>> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
>>>>> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
>>>>> we approach his 100th birthday."
>>>>>
>>>>Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended
>>>>to
>>>>do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
>>>
>>> He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals"
>>> is the "Das Kapital" for community organizers.
>>>
>>> According to Marx, the central driving force of capitalism is in the
>>> exploitation and alienation of labor. The ultimate source of
>>> capitalist profits and surplus is the unpaid labor of wage laborers.
>>>
>>> That is Barack Obama.
>>>
>>>>
>>But he also believed in spreading the wealth. With Obama the rich get
>>richer
>>and the poor get poorer. He works for wallstreet and the big banks, not
>>the
>>American people.
>
> Obama cannot main control without help. He does that with top-down
> control.
>>
Obama is the one being controlled, he's just a puppet. Bush was a puppet.
When you realise that presidents of America have just been puppets then you
will see past the president and no longer hate Obama or hate Bush.
>>>>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>>>>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>>>>
>>>>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party
>>>>protestors.
>>>>
>>>>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>>>>> teabagging.
>>>>>
>>>>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a
>>>>HUGE
>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>> Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
>>> organization just like other Leftys in the media.
>>>
>>He's not my "partner" I started off by asking him to stop resorting to
>>those
>>lies.
>
> What are those love notes in this newsgroup about?
>>
You call asking him not to lie love notes? Yikes I pity the poor girl who
gets a "love note" from you!
>>> You should try a novel approach and dispute what I have written with
>>> facts.
>>>
>>I will when you post facts.
>>
> I have and you can't dispute them.
>
I can't dispute that Hillary Clinton admires Saul, no. But I can still
dispute Obama is a Marxist. He has Zionists as part of his group of advisors
but that doesn't make him a Zionist...
"Not at any time. I've never joined any organization -- not even the ones
I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And
philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether
it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is
what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an
inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and
intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been
perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the
persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi
genocide." [1]
I have read Saul Alinsky's bio. I am personally shocked and offended that
you would use such a great man to smear Hillary Clinton. Not only did he say
he was not a Communist he helped others his whole life. That is Obama in a
heart beat. he wasn't some evil mass murderer or anything and he didn't try
to gain control. All you right wingers do is say the democrats admire Saul
Alinsky but when you actually research Saul Alinsky he is actually a good
man. You should all be ashamed of yourself. I am glad that America's
secondary of state admires such a great man, maybe she will be more
compassionate than the asshole republicans.
Also if that is socialism call me a socialist.
You got one thing right.
>
>>>
>>>>>> The agitator's job, according to Alinsky, is "first to bring folks to
>>>>>> the realization that they are miserable, their misery is a result of
>>>>>> greedy corporations, help bond them together and demand what they
>>>>>> deserve from said greedy corporations".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That has been Obama's whining point for the last few months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>*yawn*
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community
>>>>>> organizers is showing its effectiveness," Alinsky Jr. wrote to the
>>>>>> Globe. "It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late
>>>>>> father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on
>>>>>> board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful
>>>>>> strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama
>>>>>> learned his lesson well."
>>>>>>
>>>>>OOO he helps other people. That makes him a marxist!
>>>>
>>>> You are ignorant of Saul Alinsky.
>>>>
>>>> I see you are too lazy or too mentally incompetent to look at the
>>>> whole package. Obama's whole life is surrounded by Marxism.
>>>>>
>>>And he's a Muslim too, right?
>>
>> You ask that question to avoid Obama's Marxism.
>>>
>No my point is all this Obama is a Muslim and Obama is a Communist is just
>right wing propaganda. It didn't work in the election and it won't work now.
>
Who brought up the subject Obama was a Muslim? I didn't so I concluded
it was a diversion to Obama's Marxism.
>>>>>> "I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being
>>>>>> applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the
>>>>>> Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as
>>>>>> we approach his 100th birthday."
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ok so he admires Saul, I admire Bush for not budging on what he intended
>>>>>to
>>>>>do. That doesn't mean I agree with his neoconservative policies.
>>>>
>>>> He was a disciple of Saul Alinsky. Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals"
>>>> is the "Das Kapital" for community organizers.
>>>>
>>>> According to Marx, the central driving force of capitalism is in the
>>>> exploitation and alienation of labor. The ultimate source of
>>>> capitalist profits and surplus is the unpaid labor of wage laborers.
>>>>
>>>> That is Barack Obama.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>But he also believed in spreading the wealth. With Obama the rich get
>>>richer
>>>and the poor get poorer. He works for wallstreet and the big banks, not
>>>the
>>>American people.
>>
>> Obama cannot main control without help. He does that with top-down
>> control.
>>>
>Obama is the one being controlled, he's just a puppet. Bush was a puppet.
>When you realise that presidents of America have just been puppets then you
>will see past the president and no longer hate Obama or hate Bush.
Obama is just trying to employ Saul Alinsky's methods. I said trying
because he is very clumsy at it. He gets caught with his foot in his
mouth every time he goes off the teleprompter. Obama is a puppet
because he wants to be one. He is more comfortable with someone
pulling his strings so he could place blame on the ones pulling the
strings.
>
>>>>>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>>>>>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party
>>>>>protestors.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>>>>>> teabagging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a
>>>>>HUGE
>>>>>difference.
>>>>>
>>>> Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
>>>> organization just like other Leftys in the media.
>>>>
>>>He's not my "partner" I started off by asking him to stop resorting to
>>>those
>>>lies.
>>
>> What are those love notes in this newsgroup about?
>>>
>You call asking him not to lie love notes? Yikes I pity the poor girl who
>gets a "love note" from you!
I applaud your love notes to Major Debacle.
>
>>>> You should try a novel approach and dispute what I have written with
>>>> facts.
>>>>
>>>I will when you post facts.
>>>
>> I have and you can't dispute them.
>>
>I can't dispute that Hillary Clinton admires Saul, no. But I can still
>dispute Obama is a Marxist. He has Zionists as part of his group of advisors
>but that doesn't make him a Zionist...
The majority of his czars, who answer to no one but Obama, are
Marxist.
Alinsky writes in "Rules for Radicals" on getting things done.:
Tactics
"Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings
live with each other and deal with the world around them. ... Here our
concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power
away from the Haves." p.126
Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):
1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you
have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or
tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is
confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.
3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for
ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens
all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are
blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then
forced to address.)
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them
with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the
Christian church can live up to Christianity."
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to
counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then
reacts to your advantage."
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain
militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."
8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and
utilize all events of the period for your purpose."
9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations
that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this
unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition
that are essential for the success of the campaign."
11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break
through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."
12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In
conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as
universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the
target and 'frozen.'...
"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when
there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you
disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you
zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the
'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by
their support of the target...'
"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels
are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134).
The above can be the narrative of Obama's life.
Alinsky tells his young disciples, "a Marxist begins with his prime
truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat
by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution
to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a
new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally
the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." p.10
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
I am not smearing Hillary Clinton. She is smearing herself with her
affinity for Saul Alinsky. They only problem Obama and Clinton could
have with each other is that their over inflated egos will get in the
way.
Rightwing radio talk show hosts are having a ball playing Hillary's
sound bite from 2003 in the wake of Bill Clinton's diatribe against
Tea Party protestors who are like Tim McVeigh.
"I am sick & tired of people who say that if you debate and you
disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic and we
should stand-up and say "We are Americans and we have a right to
debate and disagree with any administration""
Do we hypocrisy in the Clinton household?
>Also if that is socialism call me a socialist.
>
It goes with the premise of Marxist a megalomaniac like Obama. The
bigger the dependent class, the more power he will have. I remember
going to school with students whose family defected from the old
Warsaw Pact countries. Some had praise for Communism since Communism
provided for them.
When health insurance reform became law, questions reflecting
confusion have flooded insurance companies, doctors' offices, human
resources departments and business groups.
"They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I
sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for
eHealthInsurance.com. The California-based company sells coverage from
185 health insurance carriers in 50 states.
Giving out more entitlements opens a new can of worms. Communism got a
foothold in countries where the economies were depressed. I am
beginning to feel Obama has put the economic well being of the United
States on the back burner. That's why he convinced so many people the
Stimulus Bill was necessary. He said health care insurance reform will
prop up the economy. He did say it will save the country $120 billion
during the next 10 years but first we will have to spend $900 billion
dollars now. He is trotting around the country selling finance
reform to save the nation's economy. The only job creation has been
in the public sector. When his schemes fail all he will do is blame
Bush.
Obama has got you all in a tight leash. "It's all Bush's fault." Have
a Milk Bone.
The rich are getting richer because they work harder. The get poorer
because they think they will get rich on welfare checks.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No the rich are getting richer because of the bailouts. The federal Reserve
Bank still won't tell congress what it did with it's money.
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The right.
Saul Alinsky would have wanted to give billions of dollars in bailouts to
the banks?
>>>>>>> You did forget one other item. You are an idiot to equate the Tea
>>>>>>> Party Protests to that of Tim McVeigh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And your an idiot to think I equate Tim McVeigh with tea party
>>>>>>protestors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do hope you and "Major Debacle" enjoy your sessions of mutual
>>>>>>> teabagging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just said they are idiots not that they are terrorists. There is a
>>>>>>HUGE
>>>>>>difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your teabagging partner thinks the Tea Party Movement is a terrorist
>>>>> organization just like other Leftys in the media.
>>>>>
>>>>He's not my "partner" I started off by asking him to stop resorting to
>>>>those
>>>>lies.
>>>
>>> What are those love notes in this newsgroup about?
>>>>
>>You call asking him not to lie love notes? Yikes I pity the poor girl who
>>gets a "love note" from you!
>
> I applaud your love notes to Major Debacle.
>>
The same goes for you.
So Obama is trying to end capitalism?
"VegasRudy" <Vega...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No one has still shown me why Socialism is bad. And you are right, Bill
Clinton is a hypocrite for his smear and lies against tea partiers when
Hillary Clinton said in 2003 that is is patriotic to criticise the
government. And it still is.