Re: Warren Buffett's secretary

[Hawke]

On 4/17/2012 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
John B.
>>
>> Umm, All I did was ask a question. I didn't say it had to do with
>> anything.
>
> Yes, I'm probably gun shy from having people insist that because I
> lived my life with some sort of integrity and thoughtfulness I am now
> beholden to pay more tax then some slug who never did anything but
> loaf and complain.
>
> I'm at least partially a believer in one of the founding fathers who
> proposed that only those with a certain amount of property (assets)
> should have the vote.

How about only you property owners pay taxes? If you get to be the only
ones voting then you ought to be the only ones paying.

Hawke

[Scout]

"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:jmnluj$reu$3...@speranza.aioe.org...

I agree....only those paying taxes should be allowed to vote.

Of course, I suspect that would leave you unable to vote, but them's the
breaks.

[Hawke]

You haven't thought this out very well. What taxes are you saying should
give one the right to vote? Federal income taxes? State taxes, local
taxes, hidden taxes, or just federal taxes? Because everyone pays
something in taxes, even the homeless. By saying only those paying
federal taxes can vote what you are doing is saying that poor people
can't vote. It doesn't matter how smart, experienced, or educated they
are, if they don't make enough income to pay federal taxes then they
can't vote. By some standards you can say at least half of Americans are
poor, so you make it to where only the well off can vote. The problem
with that is the half that couldn't vote is not going to just sit around
and do nothing about that. Picture thousands of people with torches and
pitchforks coming to complain about not having a say in anything in the
place they live. You wouldn't have class warfare. It would be just plain
warfare.

Hawke

[Scout]

"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message

news:jmpn9b$lk3$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 4/18/2012 6:15 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:jmnluj$reu$3...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 4/17/2012 6:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>>> Umm, All I did was ask a question. I didn't say it had to do with
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm probably gun shy from having people insist that because I
>>>> lived my life with some sort of integrity and thoughtfulness I am now
>>>> beholden to pay more tax then some slug who never did anything but
>>>> loaf and complain.
>>>>
>>>> I'm at least partially a believer in one of the founding fathers who
>>>> proposed that only those with a certain amount of property (assets)
>>>> should have the vote.
>>>
>>> How about only you property owners pay taxes? If you get to be the
>>> only ones voting then you ought to be the only ones paying.
>>
>> I agree....only those paying taxes should be allowed to vote.
>>
>> Of course, I suspect that would leave you unable to vote, but them's the
>> breaks.
>
>
> You haven't thought this out very well. What taxes are you saying should
> give one the right to vote? Federal income taxes? State taxes, local
> taxes, hidden taxes, or just federal taxes? Because everyone pays
> something in taxes, even the homeless.

Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you receive
in social services...then you get to vote.

[whoyakidding]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you receive
>in social services...then you get to vote.

The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay home
like everybody else.
http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits-vs-taxes/

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...

That would be great if my taxes were limited to Social Security and Medicaid
payments.....or that we ignore the interest that accrues on my payments to
the Social Security pension plan.

See, when I pay into a pension plan......INTEREST is expected. Even if it is
a government run and mandatory pension plan.

[whoyakidding]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:27 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you
>>>receive
>>>in social services...then you get to vote.
>>
>> The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay home
>> like everybody else.
>> http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits-vs-taxes/
>
>That would be great if my taxes were limited to Social Security and Medicaid
>payments

Yeah that's the classic and neverending "if that's not enough for this
then take some from over here and that's not enough for the other then
take some from over there" Newsflash: the country needs more revenue.

>.....or that we ignore the interest that accrues on my payments to
>the Social Security pension plan.
>
>See, when I pay into a pension plan......INTEREST is expected. Even if it is
>a government run and mandatory pension plan.

There's no interest. Get over it you still owe your share and excuses
can't buy jack shit.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:27 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
>>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you
>>>>receive
>>>>in social services...then you get to vote.
>>>
>>> The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay home
>>> like everybody else.
>>> http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits-vs-taxes/
>>
>>That would be great if my taxes were limited to Social Security and
>>Medicaid
>>payments
>
> Yeah that's the classic and neverending "if that's not enough for this
> then take some from over here and that's not enough for the other then
> take some from over there" Newsflash: the country needs more revenue.

Goal post move noted and accepted as your sign of surrender.

>>.....or that we ignore the interest that accrues on my payments to
>>the Social Security pension plan.
>>
>>See, when I pay into a pension plan......INTEREST is expected. Even if it
>>is
>>a government run and mandatory pension plan.
>
> There's no interest.

There sure as well is.....that it's invested in low yield government bonds
doesn't alter the fact that the funds are invested in interest bearing
financial instruments.

> Get over it you still owe your share and excuses
> can't buy jack shit.

Wow, such venom, looks like's like my comments really struck home and all
you have is anger.

[RD Sandman]

whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3rk3p796o10ch13dr...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:27 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
>>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you
>>>>receive
>>>>in social services...then you get to vote.
>>>
>>> The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay
>>> home like everybody else.
>>> http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits
>>> -vs-taxes/
>>
>>That would be great if my taxes were limited to Social Security and
>>Medicaid payments
>
> Yeah that's the classic and neverending "if that's not enough for this
> then take some from over here and that's not enough for the other then
> take some from over there" Newsflash: the country needs more revenue.

Yep, but it also needs to cut spending. Doing just one or the other
won't hack it.


--

If it weren't for my lawyer, I still be in prison.
It went a lot faster with two people digging!!

Joe Martin


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[whoyakidding]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:51:21 -0500, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote:

>whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:3rk3p796o10ch13dr...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:27 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
>>>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you
>>>>>receive
>>>>>in social services...then you get to vote.
>>>>
>>>> The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay
>>>> home like everybody else.
>>>> http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits
>>>> -vs-taxes/
>>>
>>>That would be great if my taxes were limited to Social Security and
>>>Medicaid payments
>>
>> Yeah that's the classic and neverending "if that's not enough for this
>> then take some from over here and that's not enough for the other then
>> take some from over there" Newsflash: the country needs more revenue.
>
>Yep, but it also needs to cut spending. Doing just one or the other
>won't hack it.

It will take a lot of both. The excuse makers need to face the fact
that they each owe a chunk of change that they will NEVER pay and
accept that if they were genuine responsible fiscal conservatives the
best they can do is minimize the depth of the smoking hole they're
leaving to others who will remember them as ignorant selfish bastards.
Every year they allow more excuse making to take precedence over
reality the hole gets deeper and climbing out more unlikely even in
terms of generations. I don't think most of them even understand what
a country is for. They wave the flag and talk about taking over other
nations like they're deciding what to have for lunch. Meanwhile they
act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
as they paid in. And above all they blame everybody else no matter
what and only elect panderers who spout the exceptionalism horseshit.
They're like irresponsible children and if this newsgroup is any
indication it's getting worse every day. The ones who point to this or
that waste and say there's your problem or I won't pay until
everything I don't like is eliminated are the worst kind of breath
holding crybabies. EVERYBODY has some example of what they consider
the worst waste or something that needs to be taken care of first and
if nothing can be done until everybody is satisfied then nothing will
get done. The excuse makers whose fantasies include balance through
budget and tax cuts alone are certifiable. Most of them take their
society for granted and if it were possible I'd like to see them live
somewhere like Somalia for a few years to remind them what the purpose
of having a civilized country is.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run program...people
should generally collect, on the average, virtually all of what they put in
plus the interest made. After all...the government should be non-profit as
far as such a program goes and should only hold back the absolutely minimum
needed for overhead. Not to divert funds for other uses, because that's not
why it was paid in.

So yea, basically people should get back, on the average, what they put into
the government run program, particularly when it's mandatory they do so.

Now if you want to it to be a tax...then sell it as a tax, don't collect the
money under false pretenses knowing you're going to use it on something
else. For anyone other than the government that would be fraud and
embezzlement and those in control would be in court facing felony charges.
Let the government do it, and suddenly it's different. How, no one seems
able to explain, just that it is.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:49:48 -0400, "Scout"

He is a leftwinger. Obviously mentally ill. All they have..is anger at
those better than them.

Gunner

>
>
>

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

[Hawke]

I think that would mean all the senior citizens would lose the right to
vote. They get a lot more in services than they pay in taxes. So we take
the vote from the old farts? It's looking like when we get done with all
your conditions the only people allowed to vote are white men that own
property. We had that before. Didn't work. Everybody hated it but the
white men.

Hawke

Hawke

[just...@null.com]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:25:17 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If a fella don't pay no taxes to the government and still gets free
medical treatment is he entitled to belittle others for being
"leftwingers"?
regards,

Just Asking

[dca...@krl.org]

On Apr 21, 2:12 am, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
> I think that would mean all the senior citizens would lose the right to
> vote. They get a lot more in services than they pay in taxes. So we take
> the vote from the old farts? It's looking like when we get done with all
> your conditions the only people allowed to vote are white men that own
> property. We had that before. Didn't work. Everybody hated it but the
> white men.
>
> Hawke

Hawke, I do not think that all senior citizens would lose their right
to vote. But I do think it would mean you would lose your right to
vote.


Dan

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:vo55p7tkcdhkrcaq4...@4ax.com:

Ya know what, if he served in the military, in combat, he's paid up as far
as I'm concerned.

And what makes "paying taxes" such a grand moral thing anyway? I'd say
denying the bloodsuckers any blood at this point was the patriotic thing to
do.

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

[Gray Guest]

Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in news:jmtj58$goo$3
@speranza.aioe.org:

Judging by the morons that get elected nowadays, maybe giving the franchise
to everyone easn't so smart.

[whoyakidding]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:06:51 -0400, "Scout"

<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com...

>> Meanwhile they
>> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
>> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
>> as they paid in.
>
>Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run program...people
>should generally collect, on the average, virtually all of what they put in
>plus the interest made.

1. I was talking about insurance as in car insurance home insurance
mortgage insurance etc.

2. You and your neighbor pay into Medicare. Neither of you pays the
rate for worst case. If you get really sick then you come out ahead
and your neighbor complains he was overcharged. I would like to see
the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything. As in be
required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the services
you take for granted like healthcare pollution education having
children you can't afford etc. In five minutes you'd be demanding that
the government step in to require others to share your burden.

[Gray Guest]

whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:rdj5p7lb5p6vgogkf...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:06:51 -0400, "Scout"
><me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com...
>>> Meanwhile they
>>> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
>>> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
>>> as they paid in.
>>
>>Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run
>>program...people should generally collect, on the average, virtually all
>>of what they put in plus the interest made.
>
> 1. I was talking about insurance as in car insurance home insurance
> mortgage insurance etc.
>
> 2. You and your neighbor pay into Medicare. Neither of you pays the
> rate for worst case. If you get really sick then you come out ahead
> and your neighbor complains he was overcharged. I would like to see
> the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything. As in be
> required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the services

"Be required". Seems ot me like you don't really understand how the liberty
and freedom thing works.

> you take for granted like healthcare pollution education having
> children you can't afford etc. In five minutes you'd be demanding that
> the government step in to require others to share your burden.

The only thing I would demand is a woodchipper.

[whoyakidding]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:rdj5p7lb5p6vgogkf...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:06:51 -0400, "Scout"
>><me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com...
>>>> Meanwhile they
>>>> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
>>>> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
>>>> as they paid in.
>>>
>>>Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run
>>>program...people should generally collect, on the average, virtually all
>>>of what they put in plus the interest made.
>>
>> 1. I was talking about insurance as in car insurance home insurance
>> mortgage insurance etc.
>>
>> 2. You and your neighbor pay into Medicare. Neither of you pays the
>> rate for worst case. If you get really sick then you come out ahead
>> and your neighbor complains he was overcharged. I would like to see
>> the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything. As in be
>> required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the services
>
>"Be required". Seems ot me like you don't really understand how the liberty
>and freedom thing works.

I understand that you think you should get to do what you want and let
everyone else pick the pieces. Oh to be a fly on the wall at Fish and
Game when you buy a fishing license and make your protest.

[Stormin Mormon]

Few people do, these days.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

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whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:j7k5p79tp7e8tbpio...@4ax.com:

Really? And your proof of that is...? I only ask for liberty for all. Is
that to much?

> Game when you buy a fishing license and make your protest.

I don't fish, ya moron. Nor do I hunt, though I have no problem with
either.

No my leisure activities involve my children and some fairly mundane
hobbies. All of which I pay for myself. My health insurance is and has been
acquired through my employers, mine or my spouses's for some time, decades
really.

You should not judge others by how you would behave were the chains
removed.

[RD Sandman]

whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com:

On both sides......

need to face the fact
> that they each owe a chunk of change that they will NEVER pay and
> accept that if they were genuine responsible fiscal conservatives the
> best they can do is minimize the depth of the smoking hole they're
> leaving to others who will remember them as ignorant selfish bastards.
> Every year they allow more excuse making to take precedence over
> reality the hole gets deeper and climbing out more unlikely even in
> terms of generations. I don't think most of them even understand what
> a country is for. They wave the flag and talk about taking over other
> nations like they're deciding what to have for lunch.

Who does that?

Meanwhile they
> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
> as they paid in.

Some collect more and others collect less. It is the name of the game in
insurance. You are betting with the insurance company on whether or not
you will become ill while they are betting you won't. You hope they win.

And above all they blame everybody else no matter
> what and only elect panderers who spout the exceptionalism horseshit.
> They're like irresponsible children and if this newsgroup is any
> indication it's getting worse every day. The ones who point to this or
> that waste and say there's your problem or I won't pay until
> everything I don't like is eliminated are the worst kind of breath
> holding crybabies.

And you find them on both sides. Some wish to cut defense but not
entitlements. Some wish to cut entitlements but not defense. Some wish
to raise certain taxes, others wish to raise different ones or none at
all.

EVERYBODY has some example of what they consider
> the worst waste or something that needs to be taken care of first and
> if nothing can be done until everybody is satisfied then nothing will
> get done. The excuse makers whose fantasies include balance through
> budget and tax cuts alone are certifiable. Most of them take their
> society for granted and if it were possible I'd like to see them live
> somewhere like Somalia for a few years to remind them what the purpose
> of having a civilized country is.

Did you live there?

[RD Sandman]

whoyakidding <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:rdj5p7lb5p6vgogkf...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:06:51 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com...
>>> Meanwhile they
>>> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
>>> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
>>> as they paid in.
>>
>>Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run
>>program...people should generally collect, on the average, virtually
>>all of what they put in plus the interest made.
>
> 1. I was talking about insurance as in car insurance home insurance
> mortgage insurance etc.

Yet, both Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are forms of insurance.

> 2. You and your neighbor pay into Medicare. Neither of you pays the
> rate for worst case. If you get really sick then you come out ahead
> and your neighbor complains he was overcharged.

That is true if you get your insurance from Aetna or Health Partners.
The difference is that those entities look at it as a business to make a
profit from. The government simply should not be in the profit making
business. That isn't its role in society.

I would like to see
> the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything.

In many cases, they would come out ahead. In others they would lose.
Kinda like life in general.

As in be
> required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the services
> you take for granted like healthcare pollution education having
> children you can't afford etc. In five minutes you'd be demanding that
> the government step in to require others to share your burden.

Some would, some would probably not. One thing is that insurance
policies (and Medicare is one) cover a lot of things that many people
don't need. For example, my private insurance policy covered mental
health, substance abuse, smoking cessation, and my children on my policy.
I am not nor was I ever a substance abuser, I am judged to be perfectly
sane, I quit smoking on my own at the age of 35 and never had children on
my policy.....yet I was paying a premium that included those things
simply because they were a part of my base policy.

[RD Sandman]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QmAkr.50666$Fd4....@news.usenetserver.com:

> Few people do, these days.

True, but all he is saying is that you should pay for what you need and
not rely on others to do so for you.

[RD Sandman]

Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in
news:jmtj58$goo$3...@speranza.aioe.org:

Not necessarily. For example, I have paid into Social Security since
1951. Some people pay in for decades and then die without collecting any
of it. Did those folks receive more in services than they paid in taxes?
I don't think so. When SS was devised and retirement age was considered
to be 65, average life expectancy was 66 for a male, 69 for a female.
Today, it is 76 for a male and 81 for a female. Retirement age is 65 to
67 depending on year of birth with early retirement at 62.

That is one reason why I am for increasing the age for Social Security
and Medicare to 70 at the rate of one year every three months. Early
retirement should increase to 65 at that same rate. That, of course,
would be accompanied by removing the payroll tax cap at $108,600 per
annum.

So we
> take the vote from the old farts? It's looking like when we get done
> with all your conditions the only people allowed to vote are white men
> that own property. We had that before. Didn't work. Everybody hated it
> but the white men.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:rdj5p7lb5p6vgogkf...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:06:51 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:v7u3p75esnkmrggcu...@4ax.com...
>>> Meanwhile they
>>> act like it's every man for himself and pretend crazy shit like if
>>> they pay insurance premiums they ought to be able to collect as much
>>> as they paid in.
>>
>>Have to jump in here on your rant......for a government run
>>program...people
>>should generally collect, on the average, virtually all of what they put
>>in
>>plus the interest made.
>
> 1. I was talking about insurance as in car insurance home insurance
> mortgage insurance etc.

Well, then you're wrong. Because I, at least, understand that companies are
in business to make money. So I full expect them to hold back a noticable
portion to cover overhead and profit and thus I can only expect to see, on
the average, about 60-90% of what I put in as benefits.

Of course, I would prefer it to be closer to 90%, but it all depends on the
company selected.

So try again, when your rant can reflect reality....rather that your own
bias and bigotry.

[Gray Guest]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in
news:XnsA03C614E3...@216.196.121.131:

> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:QmAkr.50666$Fd4....@news.usenetserver.com:
>
>> Few people do, these days.
>
> True, but all he is saying is that you should pay for what you need and
> not rely on others to do so for you.
>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>> .
>>
>> "Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything. As in be
>>> required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the
>>> services
>>
>> "Be required". Seems ot me like you don't really understand how the
>> liberty and freedom thing works.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

If you are refering to the primate I was responding to I would say he was
advocating the usual socialist crap, that HE will decide what I HAVE to pay
for and when.

I, not so repectfully, disagree.

[RD Sandman]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in

news:XnsA03CA56BE274AWe...@88.198.244.100:

> RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:XnsA03C614E3...@216.196.121.131:
>
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:QmAkr.50666$Fd4....@news.usenetserver.com:
>>
>>> Few people do, these days.
>>
>> True, but all he is saying is that you should pay for what you need
>> and not rely on others to do so for you.
>>
>>> Christopher A. Young
>>> Learn more about Jesus
>>> www.lds.org
>>> .
>>>
>>> "Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> the excuse makers like you pay the REAL cost of everything. As in
>>>> be required to put aside enough to pay for worst case in all the
>>>> services
>>>
>>> "Be required". Seems ot me like you don't really understand how the
>>> liberty and freedom thing works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> If you are refering to the primate I was responding to I would say he
> was advocating the usual socialist crap, that HE will decide what I
> HAVE to pay for and when.
>
> I, not so repectfully, disagree.
>

Feel free to disagree with him.

[just...@null.com]

Well, he says he was in the army, if that qualifies him for a lifetime
of free medical care. I know a fella that says he is Napoleon,
probably ought to qualify him for high office in the French
government.

>And what makes "paying taxes" such a grand moral thing anyway? I'd say
>denying the bloodsuckers any blood at this point was the patriotic thing to
>do.

Good thinking! Really good. Keep taking cookies out of the jar and
never, never, put any back. Just rely on Momma to get some more
cookies. When Mom gets sick and the cookie jar runs dry you sit on the
kitchen floor and cry. The Great American Dream.; let somebody else do
it.
regards,

Just Asking

[just...@null.com]

Well, if morons get elected what does that say about the voters that
elected them?

is "superfool' a word?
regards,

Just Asking

[just...@null.com]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

But do you really want liberty? It seems more likely, from reading
your writings, that what you want is a free ride. Do nothing and
expect others to do it for you. sort of like a 5 year old's outlook on
life.

>
>> Game when you buy a fishing license and make your protest.
>
>I don't fish, ya moron. Nor do I hunt, though I have no problem with
>either.
>
>No my leisure activities involve my children and some fairly mundane
>hobbies. All of which I pay for myself. My health insurance is and has been
>acquired through my employers, mine or my spouses's for some time, decades
>really.
>
>You should not judge others by how you would behave were the chains
>removed.

regards,

Just Asking

[Gunner Asch]

No taxes? Who the hell pays no taxes? Sale taxes, fuel taxes, excise
taxes, property taxes etc etc. I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
do in income taxes. Drive 65,000 miles a year and try to get your tax
money back when you file....

Speaking of which..you arent talking about the 23-30 MILLION illegal
aliens in the US, who suck up free education, ($25k per year per child),
free medical care, drive without license or insurance etc etc...are you?

You really should be. Most of them havent been born here, carried their
own weight here for 58 yrs and havent paid income taxes and all the
other taxes that Ive paid over all that time. Nor put their lives on the
line in the military and law enforcement for many years.

Ever consider what a single family of 6 wetbacks costs the government
every year? With welfare, educational expenses, free medical etc
etc..it can go up to $160,000 a year in most states. I took a hit for
$88,000..once. Not year after year after year. A medical emergency.
Deal with it. Piss your pants..wave your widdle arms in dismay that a
big old boy had a heart attack once..and cost the taxpayers.. A cost
that he has paid in advance..many many times over.


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317#.T5NRRtmleww

http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm

Staggering Cost Of Illegal
Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners
By Frosty Wooldridge
4-10-8


Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers
$346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While
employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens
subsidize what may be called organized "Slavery in 21st Century
America."

While Congress facilitates outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of
American jobs by the thousands weekly, that same Congress imports
182,000 legal immigrant monthly who need jobs. Another estimated 100,000
illegal aliens arrive each month without jobs. All those immigrants
seize jobs from American citizens at slave wages.

What happens to the American taxpayer?

"Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive
public benefits than American citizens," said Edwin Rubenstein,
reporting on the National Research Council's new book: "The New
Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration."
The Social Contract Winter 2007-08.
<http://www.thesoicalcontract.com/>www.thesoicalcontract.com

The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in
federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American
taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.

In addition, the report showed that immigrants affect 15 different
executive agencies of the U.S. government.

Earned Income Tax Credit-fraud is rampant and IRS does little to verify
existence of children. Clean Air and Climate Change-these goals are
unattainable as long as US population grows-driven by unending
immigration. Emergency medical treatment-US taxpayer money provides $250
million a year to help hospitals defray costs for illegal aliens. Bureau
of Land Management-the Interior Department spends $1 million to mitigate
environmental damage done by illegals crossing US southern border.
Migrant educational grants-intended to help states educate children of
illegal workers. More fraud from over-counting. Office of Foreign Labor
Certification-immigrant workers depress wages for US citizens resulting
in declines in federal revenues at $100 billion annually.

As shown on CBS with Katie Couric this past week, 300,000 pregnant
Mexican women cross the border to birth their babies, known as 'anchor
babies', in American hospitals at an average cost of $6,000.00 per birth
with no complications. If the child suffers heart defects, Downs
Syndrome, Autism or any other problems, the costs jump to $500,000.00
with long term care into the millions of dollars. All footed by the
America taxpayer!

Not mentioned in Couric's report, that child enjoys free breakfasts and
lunches through 13 years of publicly funded education at an average cost
of $7,000.00 per year. Additionally, American taxpayers foot the bill
for all medical and housing assistance for the child and mother. More
hidden costs add up with ESL classes to teach the child English.
Connecticut alone suffers 120 languages in their schools while Colorado
suffers over 40 foreign languages that cripple their classrooms.

The list of expenses paid for by American taxpayer soars with time and
numbers of illegal aliens. Additionally, legal immigrants sponsor their
relatives in chain migration and family reunification at US taxpayer
expense.

These immigrants take American jobs while they burn American taxpayer
funds for immigrant welfare. This all happens while the US national debt
approaches $10 trillion. Immigrants flood into this country while jobs
cascade out to China where we owe $1 trillion in T-bills as of 2008.
Additionally, we suffer a $700 billion annual trade deficit.

Once those illegal aliens hit this country, half of them work off the
books and do not pay $401 billion dollars annually according to the 2005
Bear Stearns Report. Additionally, they form the second largest
underground economy in the world. Both legal and illegal immigrants send
$80 billion back to their home countries in cash transfers on untaxed
money.

When does it end? Not any time soon! Who pays? You do! Like the
proverbial golden calf, the United States taxpayer bleeds to death daily
while our president and Congress fiddle, faddle and scratch their
generous rear ends while they facilitate the death of America's middle
class.

Our politicians create the problems they campaign to solve; but once in
office, as John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have proven
with their time in the U.S. Senate-they work more against Americans than
for them. The proof in the aforementioned report is, as they say, "in
the pudding!"


Feel free to shit in your hat.

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:6oi6p79e4grkatdg7...@4ax.com:

You're an idiot. And a not very entertaining one.

Tell, what leads you to beleive *I* want a free ride? Take as many screens
as you need.

The main problem with a "free ride" is that the most you can possibly get
is what they will give you. I'd rather earn it, it expands the
possibilities.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 21, 7:36 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:22:50 +0700, justas...@null.com wrote:
> >On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:25:17 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com>

> >wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:49:48 -0400, "Scout"

> >><me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >>>"whoyakidding" <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:3rk3p796o10ch13dr...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:02:27 -0400, "Scout"

> >>>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"whoyakidding" <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>>>news:kb03p712te8mk7npm...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:37 -0400, "Scout"
> >>>>>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>Then let's put it in simple terms. If you pay more in taxes than you
> >>>>>>>receive
> >>>>>>>in social services...then you get to vote.
>
> >>>>>> The elections could be held in phone booths and you'd get to stay home
> >>>>>> like everybody else.

> >>>>>>http://www.bankrate.com/financing/retirement/social-security-benefits...

> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion...

> fools that made him their prince".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Poor widdle Gummer...all those illegals standing at the public tit
before you.

LOL...it must suck for a great tax dodger like yourself to have to pay
fuel tax.

How many hats full of shit per gallon do you get Gummer?

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:4jh6p7hlbdjedp0he...@4ax.com:

That is the promise they are made.

> probably ought to qualify him for high office in the French
> government.
>
>>And what makes "paying taxes" such a grand moral thing anyway? I'd say
>>denying the bloodsuckers any blood at this point was the patriotic thing
>>to do.
>
> Good thinking! Really good. Keep taking cookies out of the jar and
> never, never, put any back. Just rely on Momma to get some more
> cookies. When Mom gets sick and the cookie jar runs dry you sit on the
> kitchen floor and cry. The Great American Dream.; let somebody else do
> it.
> regards,
>
> Just Asking
>

Do you have any idea just how ridiculous you sound. I never said anything
about not doing my part to make the country better. I would say we disagree
on what that means though and clearly you think that continuing to hand the
government barrels of money wioth no accountability is A-OK. I think it's
criminal, stupid and destructive.

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:2ii6p7hdflonl0h7g...@4ax.com:

That would be the 2008 presidential voters, who in order to prove they
weren't racist have elected someone who is killing the Constitution and
liberty just as fast as he can.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:02:33 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:

>>
>>Judging by the morons that get elected nowadays, maybe giving the franchise
>>to everyone easn't so smart.
>
>Well, if morons get elected what does that say about the voters that
>elected them?
>
>is "superfool' a word?
>regards,
>
>Just Asking

Indeed. SuperFool is a good solid description of those that put the
Obamassiah in the Oval Office.

Good to see you actually doing some thinking for a change.

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on or
about Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:18:20 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:

>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:02:33 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Judging by the morons that get elected nowadays, maybe giving the franchise
>>>to everyone easn't so smart.
>>
>>Well, if morons get elected what does that say about the voters that
>>elected them?
>>
>>is "superfool' a word?
>>regards,
>>
>>Just Asking
>
>Indeed. SuperFool is a good solid description of those that put the
>Obamassiah in the Oval Office.

I prefer the more old fashioned and more descriptive term: "Rube".
As in "Hey Rube" or "The Rube who just fell off the turnip truck."

toodles
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.

[just...@null.com]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:46:49 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

The promise who was made?

According to the V.A. "Some Veterans qualify for cost-free health care
services based on a compensable service-connected condition or other
qualifying factors."

Notice the little gotcha there, "based on a compensable
service-connected condition" ?

>> probably ought to qualify him for high office in the French
>> government.
>>
>>>And what makes "paying taxes" such a grand moral thing anyway? I'd say
>>>denying the bloodsuckers any blood at this point was the patriotic thing
>>>to do.
>>
>> Good thinking! Really good. Keep taking cookies out of the jar and
>> never, never, put any back. Just rely on Momma to get some more
>> cookies. When Mom gets sick and the cookie jar runs dry you sit on the
>> kitchen floor and cry. The Great American Dream.; let somebody else do
>> it.
>> regards,
>>
>> Just Asking
>>
>
>Do you have any idea just how ridiculous you sound. I never said anything
>about not doing my part to make the country better. I would say we disagree
>on what that means though and clearly you think that continuing to hand the
>government barrels of money wioth no accountability is A-OK. I think it's
>criminal, stupid and destructive.

No accountability? Jesus! You vote them into office when they promise
all the good things that are going to do for you with never a thought
about "where is the money gonna come from". Then when you wake up and
get the stars out of your eyes you bitch about paying for it.

I really hate to agree with Gunner but his signature sentiment hits
the nail right on the head. the problem IS the voters.
regards,

Just Asking

[whoyakidding]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:36:15 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
>do in income taxes.

Oh my God that is fucking funny.

> Drive 65,000 miles a year

More like post 65,000 times a year. OK let's go along with your latest
lie for a moment. 65,000 miles at 20 mpg is 3250 gallons. Fuel taxes
are about 50 cents a gallon so the tax you lied about paying would be
about $1600.

Now let's deal with the 65,000. At 50 mph that's 1300 hours which at
40 hours per week is 32 weeks of work to get to your job which doesn't
earn you enough money to pay $200 a year in property tax.
Whoyakidding? You pull your numbers out of your ass and are too
fucking stupid to realize how obvious it is.

>Feel free to shit in your hat.

Finally a topic you know something about!

[RD Sandman]

pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:v697p7dm37t2hpend...@4ax.com:

> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on or
> about Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:18:20 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
> cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:02:33 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Judging by the morons that get elected nowadays, maybe giving the
>>>>franchise to everyone easn't so smart.
>>>
>>>Well, if morons get elected what does that say about the voters that
>>>elected them?
>>>
>>>is "superfool' a word?
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Just Asking
>>
>>Indeed. SuperFool is a good solid description of those that put the
>>Obamassiah in the Oval Office.
>
> I prefer the more old fashioned and more descriptive term:
> "Rube".
> As in "Hey Rube" or "The Rube who just fell off the turnip truck."

Hey, Rube is actually a call to fight in the carny or a circus. It says,
"I am in trouble here with some civilians and need help kicking their
asses."

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:p1p7p71jcn0cgnceu...@4ax.com:

I'm not sure what that is about. My understanding is if you served you can
have access to the VA. My Dad served during the early 50s and received care
for nonservice related illnesses late in life.

Out own Lookout claims that he has a failed organ that is not provably
related to his "service" yet he claims to being trreated for it by the VA.

I think it might be helpful if you visited the real world once in a while.

>
>>> probably ought to qualify him for high office in the French
>>> government.
>>>
>>>>And what makes "paying taxes" such a grand moral thing anyway? I'd say
>>>>denying the bloodsuckers any blood at this point was the patriotic
>>>>thing to do.
>>>
>>> Good thinking! Really good. Keep taking cookies out of the jar and
>>> never, never, put any back. Just rely on Momma to get some more
>>> cookies. When Mom gets sick and the cookie jar runs dry you sit on the
>>> kitchen floor and cry. The Great American Dream.; let somebody else do
>>> it.
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Just Asking
>>>
>>
>>Do you have any idea just how ridiculous you sound. I never said
>>anything about not doing my part to make the country better. I would say
>>we disagree on what that means though and clearly you think that
>>continuing to hand the government barrels of money wioth no
>>accountability is A-OK. I think it's criminal, stupid and destructive.
>
> No accountability? Jesus! You vote them into office when they promise
> all the good things that are going to do for you with never a thought
> about "where is the money gonna come from". Then when you wake up and
> get the stars out of your eyes you bitch about paying for it.

Really fucktard? Who have I voted for last since 1988. House, Senate
Republican? What were my resons foir voting for them? How much money and/or
direct election support did I give? Who were thier opponenets? Why was I
opposed to them? Could it have been a vote against the opponenet rather
than a vote for the person I supported?

You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
obviously have no evidence to support it.

> I really hate to agree with Gunner but his signature sentiment hits
> the nail right on the head. the problem IS the voters.
> regards,

Indeed, the current President is glaring evidence of that.

> Just Asking

Pity you are unable to understand the answer.

[Gunner Asch]

Snicker...you dont know that Im an independant traveling service tech
who lives 160 miles north of Orange County, California..where most of my
clients are?
Your continued ignorance and buffoonery is becoming more and more
obvious as you shit in your messkit with each post.

If the only bill I had was that $200 (this year..half of last years bill
since they reviewed my case per my request in December and dropped the
taxes by 50%)..I could pay it with a single service call. But as you
have been told repeatedly (are you that brain damaged?) and seem to be
unable to remember...I have a host of other expenses, along with that
pesky medical bill you were blithering about earlier. I just bought $80
in tools yesterday. A full set of Proto combination wrenches..up to 3".
Ill be doing some repairs on a 500 ton punch press in 2 weeks..and I
didnt have tools big enough. I have several sources for such tools and I
managed to find that 40 lbs of Proto wrenches..for $80. $80 that would
have gone to pay the water bill and buy dog food..but I had a bit tucked
away and put $40 down, and will pay the remaining $40 next week. With
luck..one of my slow payers will cough up some money and Ill be able to
pick up the tools this coming weekend. And pay the water bill and buy
dog food.

But then..I guess with your momma paying all your freight..you tend to
forget about things like vehicle insurance and power and lights and
groceries and fuel and tires and that engine I put in the Ranger 4
months ago..etc etc etc. Thank Crom the house is paid for. Else Id be
living in some relatives basement like you. And since the ex showed
back up..Im trying to keep her vehicle running so she can make her
weekly runs to the doctor and feed her..and the two roommates..and so on
and so forth.

So feel free to kiss my ass, you no load cocksucker.

>
>>Feel free to shit in your hat.
>
>Finally a topic you know something about!

Indeed. The complaints from those downwind of you are becoming loud and
angry.


Oh..btw..<Plink>

Off to the old kill file you go.

Gunner, setting the clock running to see how long it takes before you
switch nyms and climb back in again.

[whoyakidding]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:26:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:06:29 -0700, whoyakidding
><whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:36:15 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
>>>do in income taxes.
>>
>>Oh my God that is fucking funny.
>>
>>> Drive 65,000 miles a year
>>
>>More like post 65,000 times a year. OK let's go along with your latest
>>lie for a moment. 65,000 miles at 20 mpg is 3250 gallons. Fuel taxes
>>are about 50 cents a gallon so the tax you lied about paying would be
>>about $1600.
>>
>>Now let's deal with the 65,000. At 50 mph that's 1300 hours which at
>>40 hours per week is 32 weeks of work to get to your job which doesn't
>>earn you enough money to pay $200 a year in property tax.
>>Whoyakidding? You pull your numbers out of your ass and are too
>>fucking stupid to realize how obvious it is.
>
>Snicker...you dont know that Im an independant traveling service tech

I know that whatever you are we can't take your word for it. By all
independent evidence you're above all a pathological liar that prefers
writing crazy shit about himself to working.

>If the only bill I had was that $200 (this year..half of last years bill
>since they reviewed my case per my request in December and dropped the
>taxes by 50%)..I could pay it with a single service call.

You seem to have forgotten that one of your previous fantasies was
that you'd ALREADY PAID your current bills and were banking savings!
It was only after the public record put the lie to your story that you
admit the current bills AREN'T paid. Like we needed any help figuring
that out.

>$80 that would
>have gone to pay the water bill and buy dog food..but I had a bit tucked
>away and put $40 down, and will pay the remaining $40 next week. With
>luck..one of my slow payers will cough up some money and Ill be able to
>pick up the tools this coming weekend. And pay the water bill and buy
>dog food.

Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see the contradiction between
bragging about NETTING $75 an hour and admitting that you're down to
$40 on hand?

>.you tend to
>forget about things like vehicle insurance

I'd be very surprised if you keep current vehicle insurance.

> and power and lights

See above.

> and
>groceries and fuel and tires

I bet there's some soda and cheese puffs and cigarettes and beer etc
included in those groceries and that those items cost MORE than the
$40 you were short. I also bet the interest and growing fees on all
the unpaid bills are MORE than your gross income.

> Thank Crom the house is paid for.

Bwahahahahaha!

>Off to the old kill file you go.

Whoyakidding? Fucking incompetent lazy lying coward. Do you want to
prove you're a man? Then get off your ass and get a goddamned job and
quit fucking lying!

[Michael A. Terrell]

just...@null.com wrote:
>
> The promise who was made?

All Veteran in need.

> According to the V.A. "Some Veterans qualify for cost-free health care
> services based on a compensable service-connected condition or other
> qualifying factors."
>
> Notice the little gotcha there, "based on a compensable
> service-connected condition" ?

It also depends on income and other factors. haven't you heard on
'Non-Service connected disability'? Those Veterans get $1021 a month
and most medical care, less dental care. Or arent you interested in
facts, 'Just A Skin'?

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Michael A. Terrell]

just...@null.com wrote:
>
> >Judging by the morons that get elected nowadays, maybe giving the franchise
> >to everyone easn't so smart.
>
> Well, if morons get elected what does that say about the voters that
> elected them?

Democrats each voted too many times.

[just...@null.com]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:39:15 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

I can't comment on your dad. I just went to the V.A. site and read
that.

Your grasp of English appears a bit faulty, are you saying that you
haven't voted since 1988. and this non-vote is really a vote against
the opposition?

>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
>obviously have no evidence to support it.
>

What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
says it all doesn't it.

>> I really hate to agree with Gunner but his signature sentiment hits
>> the nail right on the head. the problem IS the voters.
>> regards,
>
>Indeed, the current President is glaring evidence of that.
>
>> Just Asking
>
>Pity you are unable to understand the answer.

What answer is that? That you live in some other dimension and can't
realize that the U.S. is governed by people that the citizens select.
and that after selecting these folks bitch loudly about how they serve
you?

Or that in a democratic country you are a minority and thus don't get
to pick the politicians of your choice and are bitching about it?
Rather a ego trip, isn't it, to think that politicians should be
selected on what you think, rather then on what the majority think.

regards,

Just Asking

[just...@null.com]

Really? Read what I wrote once again. Note the "or other qualifying
factors"?

That, by the way, is a quote taken from the V.A.'s web site.
regards,

Just Asking

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:h6a9p7phdtbb8ld74...@4ax.com:

You can't comment on reality.

you really don't understand English at all.

>
>>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly
>>and obviously have no evidence to support it.
>>
>
> What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
> votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
> says it all doesn't it.

"Keep taking cookies out of the jar and never, never, put any back. Just
rely on Momma to get some more cookies. When Mom gets sick and the cookie
jar runs dry you sit on the kitchen floor and cry. The Great American
Dream.; let somebody else do it."

I wanted you to support you idiotic statement. What have I said that
supports this particular bit of crap?

>>> I really hate to agree with Gunner but his signature sentiment hits
>>> the nail right on the head. the problem IS the voters.
>>> regards,
>>
>>Indeed, the current President is glaring evidence of that.
>>
>>> Just Asking
>>
>>Pity you are unable to understand the answer.
>
> What answer is that? That you live in some other dimension and can't
> realize that the U.S. is governed by people that the citizens select.
> and that after selecting these folks bitch loudly about how they serve
> you?

-I- did not select the current President. In fact I was pretty sur thsi is
how it would be coming out.

> Or that in a democratic country you are a minority and thus don't get
> to pick the politicians of your choice and are bitching about it?
> Rather a ego trip, isn't it, to think that politicians should be
> selected on what you think, rather then on what the majority think.

It's not a Democracy ya retard. And if a minority sees the majority
steering off a cliff shall they simply sit qquietly and allow the mass
usicide or shall they at the very attempt to save themselves?

> regards,
>
> Just Asking

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:13:56 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:

>
>>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
>>obviously have no evidence to support it.
>>
>
>What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
>votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
>says it all doesn't it.

The surprising thing was he got more fraudulant votes than anyone in
American history.

[just...@null.com]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:17:18 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

What reality is that? That you had a father? You'll have to show your
birth certificate. How else will we know?

Yes, pitiful isn't it. But on the other hand I have never written
anything like your "Who have I voted for last since 1988. House,
Senate, Republican".

What is that supposed to mean anyway? That you voted for someone after
1988 and we are supposed to guess whether it was a member of the
Senate, House or a Republican?

I'm afraid that you'll need a bit more then just a remedial English
course. Perhaps a philosophy course like, "How to think straight -
101".

Or perhaps just stop sucking on that bottle.

Jeasus man, but you gotta stop the boozin. That last bit looks more
like a chicken scratching then a someone writing. sit qquietly and
allow the mass usicide"? Or are you trying to prove the thesis that if
a monkey pounds on a keyboard long enough he'll eventually come up
with the Shakespearian plays?


regards,

Just Asking

[just...@null.com]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:18:24 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:13:56 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
>>>obviously have no evidence to support it.
>>>
>>
>>What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
>>votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
>>says it all doesn't it.
>
>
>The surprising thing was he got more fraudulant votes than anyone in
>American history.

It don't make a rat's ass of difference. He's President. Living in the
big house and ordering folks around.

And you are?
regards,

Just Asking

[Gunner Asch]

It didnt make any difference either that Charlie Manson never killed
anyone himself. He is still in jail some 40 years after the crime(s) and
he will never get out.

This will be a very..very interesting year to watch.

Gunner

[whoyakidding]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:16 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:20:07 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:18:24 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:13:56 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
>>>>>obviously have no evidence to support it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
>>>>votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
>>>>says it all doesn't it.
>>>
>>>
>>>The surprising thing was he got more fraudulant votes than anyone in
>>>American history.
>>
>>It don't make a rat's ass of difference. He's President. Living in the
>>big house and ordering folks around.
>>
>>And you are?

Living the dream! Arf arf

>>regards,
>>
>>Just Asking
>
>It didnt make any difference either that Charlie Manson never killed
>anyone himself. He is still in jail some 40 years after the crime(s) and
>he will never get out.

It seems like this theory could be applied to the great cull. Couldn't
someone who constantly bragged about forwarding header information to
the cull command center be considered as responsible as those that
strung up the nooses and therefore have to suffer a life sentence in a
shithole in Taft? Fantasy meets reality!

>This will be a very..very interesting year to watch.

Not in your case it won't. It will be only be more hand mouth post
hand mouth post etc. without any hope of escape. Karma's a bitch and
she's only going to let you travel a couple of feet up and down the
pike.

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in news:bgdap7h7p5khbhn2n...@4ax.com:

> Yes, pitiful isn't it. But on the other hand I have never written
> anything like your "Who have I voted for last since 1988. House,
> Senate, Republican".
>

It's called a question ya retard. You made an assertion and I was seeking
the evidence for it. I can assume you pulled it out of your ass. And that you
are fucntionally illiterate.

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:7heap75vbf1femvl6...@4ax.com:

Are you so depraved and/or degraded that you think that is the job?

[just...@null.com]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:16 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:20:07 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:18:24 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:13:56 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You look extra stupid making those kind of statements when you clearly and
>>>>>obviously have no evidence to support it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What evidence is it that you want to see? That Obama received the most
>>>>votes for a presidential candidate in American history? That rather
>>>>says it all doesn't it.
>>>
>>>
>>>The surprising thing was he got more fraudulant votes than anyone in
>>>American history.
>>
>>It don't make a rat's ass of difference. He's President. Living in the
>>big house and ordering folks around.
>>
>>And you are?
>>regards,
>>
>>Just Asking
>
>It didnt make any difference either that Charlie Manson never killed
>anyone himself. He is still in jail some 40 years after the crime(s) and
>he will never get out.
>
>This will be a very..very interesting year to watch.
>
>Gunner

I hate to say it but I doubt it. Obama already has campaign offices
set up in every state and is spending money like a drunken sailor to
woo the voters. God only knows what he'll be promising them this time.
Certainly he can blame every problem he has had to those evil, rich,
Republicans while taking all the credit for whatever little he has
actually accomplished.

The Republicans are all wound up in the primary and have not yet
really gotten into the election part of the equation.

It gives Obama quite a head start and while the race is not always to
the swift he's got a hellofva head start.

regards,

Just Asking

[Gray Guest]

just...@null.com wrote in
news:8vtbp71fahhtd7qdd...@4ax.com:

Wow, you r such a genius. Can I have an autograph?

[Gunner Asch]

Then why is he losing in all the polls?

<VBG>

[John B.]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:05:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

Gunner, Gunner. You walk down the street and ask a bunch of people
about how old 'bama is doing and all the ones who lost their job and
ain't got it back yet say that they hate the bloke. But just wait till
Obama starts campaigning and starts telling the folks about how if he
is re-elected he'll fix the stupid medical care thingy that the Senate
screwed up, and how he brought the boys home, and tells how all the
good things are going to happen and see what happens.

Last time, for all the chitter-chatter, the choice was between someone
with no real experience and someone with, and y'all elected the guy
with the resume that couldn't have gotten him a job in any position
that required someone who actually did something. which, one might
venture, is why he is a politician.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:46:42 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>

Odd that it didnt happen with Jimmy Carter..under similar situations.

>
>Last time, for all the chitter-chatter, the choice was between someone
>with no real experience and someone with, and y'all elected the guy
>with the resume that couldn't have gotten him a job in any position
>that required someone who actually did something. which, one might
>venture, is why he is a politician.

Hence the saying.."I voted for Obama to prove I wasnt a racist, but this
time I will vote for someone else to prove Im not stupid"

It should be noted..that the Democrats pulled out all of the stops and
registered every over 18 walking meat pile they could get their hands
on. <VBG>..and even those meat piles figured out they got screwed.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0423/Obama-slipping-among-young-white-voters

Seems like even the stupid can learn.....<VBG>

[SaPeIsMa]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56jdp714b2elfghna...@4ax.com...

Too bad that far too many of the stupid will not
But at least we'll know who they are...

I need to get a few Bumper stickers with the Word "I AM STUPID" and an arrow
pointing right or left
I can then stick them on cars with Obama stickers from the last time.
The arrows are to identify the reason for being stupid..

[John B.]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:00:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

But Carter faced two obstacles that Obama doesn't. Firstly Ted
Kennedy, brother of the Hero; and secondly Reagan, an accomplished
actor, with great script writers and who came across "on screen"
probably better then any other presidential candidate ever had.

Obama has no one in his own party to worry about and the Republican is
a bloated plutocrat (the very enemy that the valiant Demos have been
fighting for more benefits for the poor and lowly)

Just remember, for every guy sitting in the front room with a beer and
the TV, bad mouthing Obama there is a nice lady in the kitchen who
"just knows" that if they hadn't tinkered with Obi's health plan the
government would be buying here birth control pills.

>>Last time, for all the chitter-chatter, the choice was between someone
>>with no real experience and someone with, and y'all elected the guy
>>with the resume that couldn't have gotten him a job in any position
>>that required someone who actually did something. which, one might
>>venture, is why he is a politician.
>
>Hence the saying.."I voted for Obama to prove I wasnt a racist, but this
>time I will vote for someone else to prove Im not stupid"
>
>It should be noted..that the Democrats pulled out all of the stops and
>registered every over 18 walking meat pile they could get their hands
>on. <VBG>..and even those meat piles figured out they got screwed.
>

Of course. After all haven't the Democrats been doing just that, at
least since Tammany Hall days? After all "Mayor" Curley actually ran
for election to the Boston Board of Aldermen while in prison on a
fraud conviction (and was elected).

>http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0423/Obama-slipping-among-young-white-voters
>
>Seems like even the stupid can learn.....<VBG>
>
>Gunner

I note that the site stated that recent polls show that Obama MAY be
losing the affections of the young.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[SaPeIsMa]

"John B." <johnbs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3pkep7tsah0hgcgj0...@4ax.com...

The attack on Ann Romney lost the Dems a whole bunch of those women
puttering in the kitchen who are past the need for free birth control
And many of the young single ones who would be future candidates for free
birth control pills thought that Fluke was a lying idiot from the Paris
Hilton league, when she claimed that it cost her $3000 a year, when about
$120 gets you pills at Target and Wall mart.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Like I haven't seen it before. You are rated, based on need and time
in service. I should know, since I was firced to apply for VA health
care about eight year ago. The VA also has a nice, online prescription
refill service. Log in, click what refills you need, and they shopw up
about 10 days later.

[Warren E. Harrison]

On 4/21/2012 5:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:22:50 +0700, just...@null.com wrote:

> No taxes? Who the hell pays no taxes? Sale taxes, fuel taxes, excise
> taxes, property taxes etc etc. I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
> do in income taxes. Drive 65,000 miles a year and try to get your tax
> money back when you file....

65,000 miles a year - ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[Warren E. Harrison]

On 4/22/2012 7:06 AM, whoyakidding wrote:

> Oh my God that is fucking funny.
>

>> Drive 65,000 miles a year
>

> More like post 65,000 times a year. OK let's go along with your latest
> lie for a moment. 65,000 miles at 20 mpg is 3250 gallons. Fuel taxes
> are about 50 cents a gallon so the tax you lied about paying would be
> about $1600.
>
> Now let's deal with the 65,000. At 50 mph that's 1300 hours which at
> 40 hours per week is 32 weeks of work to get to your job which doesn't
> earn you enough money to pay $200 a year in property tax.

Another way of looking at it is that for someone working 40 hours a week
and 50 weeks a year with two weeks off, i.e. 2000 hours a year, those
1300 hours represent more than 2/3 of the actual hours spent working.
It's also 26 hours a week, or more than five hours a day on the road.
If he still works eight hours a day with (say) half an hour for a meal,
then he's saying that *daily* he spends more than 13 hours getting to
and from work as well as working. Seems awfully stressful for a guy
who's had coronary bypass surgery in the last few years.

> Whoyakidding? You pull your numbers out of your ass and are too
> fucking stupid to realize how obvious it is.
>

[jk]

"Warren E. Harrison" <beat....@shitbags.con> wrote:

>On 4/22/2012 7:06 AM, whoyakidding wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:36:15 -0700, Gunner Asch<gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
>>> do in income taxes.
>>
>> Oh my God that is fucking funny.
>>
>>> Drive 65,000 miles a year
>>

Which is a nice slow sedate 7.4 miles an hour, 24/7/365....

> OK let's go along with your latest

>> lie for a moment. earn you enough money to pay $200 a year in property tax.

>
>Another way of looking at it is that for someone working 40 hours a week
>and 50 weeks a year with two weeks off, i.e. 2000 hours a year, those
>1300 hours represent more than 2/3 of the actual hours spent working.
>It's also 26 hours a week, or more than five hours a day on the road.

Not every one goes some where and stays there all day. LOTS of jobs
involve driving.
Lots of jobs involve driving, Gypsy Cab, truck driver, dope dealer,
sales people, service techs....

which would make the rest of your analysis rather meaningless.

>If he still works eight hours a day with (say) half an hour for a meal,
>then he's saying that *daily* he spends more than 13 hours getting to
>and from work as well as working. Seems awfully stressful for a guy
>who's had coronary bypass surgery in the last few years.
>

jk

[Scout]

"Warren E. Harrison" <beat....@shitbags.con> wrote in message
news:X_SdnbS31vQKtz3S...@giganews.com...

Why not?

That only works out to be bit over 31 mph during an 8 hour work day, 5 days
a week, 52 weeks a year.

Let's assume 2 weeks of vacation.

He's going to have to pick it up to about 1.5 mph....

Further I will note the average for an over the road trucker is reported at
about 100,000 miles per year.

So 65,000 is entirely within the realm of possibility.


Somehow I don't consider that to be impossible or unlikely.

[Scout]

"Warren E. Harrison" <beat....@shitbags.con> wrote in message

news:j6ydnbD-s8vFqD3S...@giganews.com...

> On 4/22/2012 7:06 AM, whoyakidding wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:36:15 -0700, Gunner Asch<gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I pay more in fuel taxes alone than you
>>> do in income taxes.
>>
>> Oh my God that is fucking funny.
>>
>>> Drive 65,000 miles a year
>>
>> More like post 65,000 times a year. OK let's go along with your latest
>> lie for a moment. 65,000 miles at 20 mpg is 3250 gallons. Fuel taxes
>> are about 50 cents a gallon so the tax you lied about paying would be
>> about $1600.
>>
>> Now let's deal with the 65,000. At 50 mph that's 1300 hours which at
>> 40 hours per week is 32 weeks of work to get to your job which doesn't
>> earn you enough money to pay $200 a year in property tax.
>
> Another way of looking at it is that for someone working 40 hours a week
> and 50 weeks a year with two weeks off, i.e. 2000 hours a year, those 1300
> hours represent more than 2/3 of the actual hours spent working.

You assume his job isn't driving. Do you have a basis for that assumption?

[George Plimpton]

gummer doesn't drive for a living. He drives to the job sites where he
scrabbles and scrounges together what he calls a "living".

[Warren E. Harrison]

Yes, his own description of his "work". He isn't a driver.

[Scout]

"Warren E. Harrison" <beat....@shitbags.con> wrote in message

news:2fadncrUm9wODT3S...@giganews.com...

Care to repeat the description of his "work" because even if one isn't a
driver, that doesn't mean one doesn't have to travel. A lot.

I'm not a driver and I regularly put in about 25k-30k miles per year and I
know others that put in even more. But none of them are "drivers" they just
have to drive a lot in the course of their jobs.

[Warren E. Harrison]

He's some kind of machine repair apprentice. He claims he has to drive
long distances to jobs, but he doesn't return to the shack in Taft each
day. I think he drives to job sites and sleeps in his car.

>
> I'm not a driver and I regularly put in about 25k-30k miles per year and
> I know others that put in even more. But none of them are "drivers" they
> just have to drive a lot in the course of their jobs.

I doubt you drive that much. I had a job in which my office was 60
miles from my house, a 120 mile round trip. If I had had to go to the
office every day, I would have driven about 30,000 miles a year just in
commuting. Luckily, I was able to manage the job so that I worked more
and more days at home, eventually reaching a point where I only went to
the office once every couple of weeks.

Few people have commutes like that.

[whoyakidding]

1. Gunner does not earn a living driving or doing anything else. He
CLAIMS he's a traveling tech of immense skill that earns $75 an hour
PLUS traveling expenses for 65,000 miles of driving. 32 weeks of full
time driving to get to his work would be impossible to fit in with all
the posting he does here which at times has been thousands of posts
per month for months on end.
2. He is dead broke and in debt up to his eyeballs which is to be
expected of someone whose primary occupation is typing self
aggrandizing horseshit. He has a 30 year record of dozens of liens
mostly for not paying about $20 per month in property taxes for the
shithole he lives in. He's been billed a half million dollars for
medical care that is the inevitable result of sitting on his ass
drinking gallons of soda and smoking. He recently admitted that he
needed $80 for tools but could only put down $40 until he could come
up with the rest. He doesn't even have his own internet connection for
fucks sake!
3. Your strategy of defending your windbag rightwing arsehole
cheerleader by pretending that you put 1 and 2 together and came up
with a conclusion that he's a professional driver is fucking awesome
in its absurdity.

[Scout]

"Warren E. Harrison" <beat....@shitbags.con> wrote in message

news:HNGdnQTjccBpLD3S...@giganews.com...

If so then running up 65,000 miles in a year is entirely possible and
plausible.

[whoyakidding]

Your excuses are fucking awesome man! For years he's been online
nearly full time claiming to be driving for 32 work weeks every year
to get to jobs where he nets $75 an hour. But only last week he
admitted that it might only be 35k miles and that he was down to $40.
That spells "entirely possible and plausible" to you? Why Gunner
thinks anyone would believe his incompetently told fairytales is one
of the great mysteries of the internet. And now we know it's because
there are readers as fucking looney as he is. Which is why I want to
hear your excuses for his missing gold and DD214. But I predict you'll
have an excuse for not writing the excuses!

[Warren E. Harrison]

No, it *isn't* particularly plausible. It would be more plausible if he
were going back and forth daily between his shithole shack in Taft and
the job site in L.A. County, but he isn't.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:9e55q7ts0sbcaa9vm...@4ax.com...

Could be. I know service techs that do that. They also spend a lot of time
in motel rooms with nothing to do but play on their laptops.

> But only last week he
> admitted that it might only be 35k miles and that he was down to $40.

Maybe it's been a bad year?

> That spells "entirely possible and plausible" to you?

Could be. In recessions companies tend to tighten their belts and are less
likely to call on a $75/hr rep but may do so for $40, and lots of companies
may spend a bit more time and money attempting to fix the problem themselves
so they don't even need to call in a rep.

I don't know, and frankly I don't think you do either.

Anyway, I jumped in simply to address your assertion that 65,000 miles
wasn't possible, and I showed that it is entirely possible.

Nor have I seen anything from you showing the impossibility of what he
claims. Maybe he is lying, but if so I don't see you showing that he is and
PROVING his claims to be impossible, rather than simply asserting they are
impossible even when they are entirely possible.

[whoyakidding]

>Maybe he is lying

So you're up to "maybe" based on a ridiculous string of wishing and
hoping. Can you imagine being one of his creditors who's waited as
long as 30 years to get paid and then reads here about his phony
conservatism and his amazing exploits and gold stash etc? What I wish
is that excuse makers like you could be put in the position of loaning
Gunner some money. "Maybe" you'd face reality and find an excuse to
avoid the risk.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:n9daq7pcktth3v99g...@4ax.com...

Back to what I was saying, maybe he is, but I don't see either you of
proving it. But when I see someone claim that a perfectly possible mileage
driven per yeas is impossible....one has to wonder if he actually is
lying....or if you're simply claiming he is.

All I can say, it you don't seem to be doing a very good job proving your
point and the false accusations certain detract from any claims that might
have merit.

[whoyakidding]

On Sat, 5 May 2012 11:56:27 -0400, "Scout"

No back to what you're not saying. When somebody makes endless wild
exaggerations and the best his supporters can do is keep claiming that
every last little thing is possible no matter how improbable then it's
clear they're as happy pushing horseshit as he is. Yes some of his
fantasies are technically possible. For example he really could have a
stash of gold even though he has a lifetime record of dodging the
smallest of bills and then lying about on the internet. And he really
could have a Victoria's Secret girlfriend even though models don't
tend to date toothless losers. But at some point most observers will
say if it walks like a duck... And you'd be saying it as well except
that he's a fellow windbagger and your causes tend to be so weak that
you need to take your support wherever you can find it. As for the
mileage malarkey HE already dialed it back when he realized how stupid
it was in context yet you're still pushing it as though it makes sense
to ignore the context. In other words he became convinced that his lie
was too obvious for even the most gullible but it turns out he was
wrong.

[Gunner Asch]

Yes and? Im a traveling service tech, repairing machinery in machine
shops..on average 182 miles from my home.

[Gunner Asch]

Of course not, Im a service tech fixing machinery in machine shops all
over the western states and California.

Last week I was in Phoenix (1) day, this week in So. Cal

[Gunner Asch]

"apprentice"....snicker...roflmao!

>
>
>>
>> I'm not a driver and I regularly put in about 25k-30k miles per year and
>> I know others that put in even more. But none of them are "drivers" they
>> just have to drive a lot in the course of their jobs.
>
>I doubt you drive that much. I had a job in which my office was 60
>miles from my house, a 120 mile round trip. If I had had to go to the
>office every day, I would have driven about 30,000 miles a year just in
>commuting. Luckily, I was able to manage the job so that I worked more
>and more days at home, eventually reaching a point where I only went to
>the office once every couple of weeks.
>
>Few people have commutes like that.

"few", but some of us "few" do.

Gunner (owner)
Coyote Engineering
OmniTurn CNC lathes
Bridgeport mills
Shop electrical and air compressors

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 21:17:52 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>

I charge $75hr, .55 cents a mile portal to portal and $25 an hour travel
time, portal to portal.

Im one of the cheapest machine repair guys in the southwest doing the
machines I do.

I may drive 5 hours and do a 1 hour repair. While it sounds like good
money, if that was the only job of the day...its not great money in this
economy. California has lost about 50% of its manufacturing. Personally
in the last 30 months..Ive lost 18 clients. 11 of them closed their
doors and are now just empty buildings. 7 of them have moved out of
state..6 to Texas, 1 to South Carolina

If I was working for some corporation..40 hrs a week, and making $25 an
hour, Id be way way money ahead by far, in this economy.

Ive several small side adjuncts, buying/selling machinery, welding
equipment, some ebay sales and so forth that helps spread the load a
bit.

Gunner

[whoyakidding]

On Sat, 05 May 2012 20:06:56 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>If I was working for some corporation..40 hrs a week, and making $25 an
>hour, Id be way way money ahead by far, in this economy.

Arf arf. Whoyakidding? If you were making $8 an hour as helper on a
septic pumper you'd be farther ahead. Fuck if you were fresh out of
high school and unemployed you'd be farther ahead on account of not
being hopelessly in debt.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Your attempt to change the subject and run away is noted.

[whoyakidding]

On Sun, 6 May 2012 18:12:52 -0400, "Scout"

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>"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

You must have done some snoozing during windbaggery class. When you
use that technique you're supposed to say point set match and add some
<VBG>s.

[Scout]

"whoyakidding" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Sorry, I leave that to the windbags.....like you've just admitted you are.