Overpopulation, immigration, disaster

[walt tonne]

"Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge

Overpopulation
Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?

by Frosty Wooldridge

Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today
cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them."
Nonetheless, this country staggers forward with 'solutions' that
accelerate America's population problems.

In the past 10 years, the world added 880 million people. America
added 33 million and California added six million - on its way from 35
million to 55 million in the next 25 years. Good luck, Arnold! Like
California, many states found themselves inundated with sprawl,
gridlock, rising home prices, new forms of crime and diseases. Dozens
of foreign languages, causing confusion and conflicts, migrated into
America's schools. Today, America stands at 292 million and grows by
3.3 million per year. In 47 years at mid-century, America will add 200
million which will average four million people per state.

An average of 8,200 people are added to our country every day via
annual net gains in US births at 1.0 million and immigration at 2.3
million--legal, illegal and their births. Soon past the mid-century,
those 200 million more Americans will be struggling for dwindling
resources, water, food and a diminishing quality of life. In a western
state like Colorado or Arizona, a drought in 2050 will become a
DISASTER along with many other consequences. When one state suffers
such a monumental crisis, all other states will be affected in time.

For graphic examples, one need only look at India and China. In a
recent speech, Arun Gandhi, grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, said, "In my
country, 4 million people are born in the streets, live in the streets
and die in the streets-never having used a toilet or shower." If
massive population is so good, why is India so poor? Even more
sobering is China's plight at 1.3 billion and growing at 12 million
per year.

Overpopulation will become the 'plague of the 21st century'.

Where is America headed? Do we want such a legacy for our own
children? According to 60 Minutes, we have one million homeless
children struggling in our inner cities today. Why can't we take care
of their needs even today? What will be the fate of another 200
million people who create homeless children? How many is too many and
when will Americans address itself to that fact? Who possesses the
courage to step up to the reality of overpopulation/consumption/
pollution in America-in the long term? At this time, no one.
Politicians scurry like cockroaches at the mention of population
stabilization. Corporations demand larger markets as if nonrenewable
resources will appear out of thin air. They sacrifice the future of
our children. Wake up! We're like a runaway freight train with no
brakes headed toward a rock wall.

Americans face consequences in every corner of our nation. Our East
and West coasts, teeming with too many people, strive to deal with
escalating water, air and land dilemmas. Deep-water wells, already
polluted with industrial chemicals from farmers and manufacturing
plants dumping poisons-are drying up. Acid rains pound our lakes with
chemicals. Our cities create thick clouds where millions of children
breathe carcinogens with every breath. Farmers kill microbes in the
soil with fertilizers and pesticides - leaving us with contaminated
foods for eating. Each year, 1.3 million new cancers are detected in
our US citizens--an epidemic of our own making.

Eleanor Roosevelt said it 50 years ago; "We must prevent human tragedy
rather than run around trying to save ourselves after an event has
already occurred. Unfortunately, history clearly shows that we arrive
at catastrophe by failing to meet the situation, by failing to act
when we should have acted. The opportunity passes us by and the next
disaster is always more difficult and compounded than the last one."

By failing to act now, what kinds of consequences will we as a nation
face when we hit 1/2 billion people? States like Colorado will add
100% more people to their already drought prone state. That's 100%
more cars, etc. In the US with 200 million more people, that's 77%
more traffic, 77% added planes in the air, 77% increased pollution,
77% faster uses of already such limited resources as gasoline. For
example: we're paving over 3000 acres of land each day for homes,
roads, and malls. With each new added American, 12.6 acres of
wilderness is plowed up to support that person. In the next 10 years,
according to the National Academy of Sciences, 2,500 plants and
animals will become extinct in the USA because of habitat destruction
via population growth. Why aren't we addressing the moral and
biological consequences of such horrific extinction rates? When you
add global warming, ocean fisheries collapsing, acid rain, ozone
destruction, drought, contaminated water supplies, poisoning and
sterilization of the soils by insecticides and fertilizers--we're
building unimaginable consequences........

Continues in depth detail... @ : http://www.frostywooldridge.com/overpop/overpop.html

[de...@dudu.org]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:44:38 -0800 (PST), walt tonne
<tonnew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
>issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
>proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
>shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
>and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
>Overpopulation
>Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?

Too late. Far too late to do anything about it.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>de...@dudu.org wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:44:38 -0800 (PST), walt tonne
><tonnew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
>>issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
>>proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
>>shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
>>and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>>
>>Overpopulation
>>Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?
>
>Too late. Far too late to do anything about it.

You're wrong again, as usual. You just need to wake people up to the
problem.

I have an idea. That is, if you REALLY want people to pay attention to
you.

You should go directly to your local courthouse with a couple cans of
gasoline. I say courthouse because they usually have nice marble
steps, for that Roman amphitheater-effect. Bring a friend with a video
camera.

You should have a few words prepared. Trying to speak off the cuff in
a situation like this is a mistake. You want to be clear, concise, and
brief.

At that point, the crowd will be wondering. "Is he serious about this?
I mean, REALLY serious?"

At that juncture, you would sit down, pour the gasoline over yourself
and light it. Someone in the crowd will scream- there's always someone
who doesn't appreciate the finer points of Advanced Politics. Ignore
them.

With five or six "glurgs" from a gas can and the strike of a match,
your local court house steps could be transformed from cold marble to
a Progressive Pyre for Truth- or at least the Truth as impotent
leftist freaks see it. The searing flame will carry you to a new state
of consciousness- just as the burning rivulets of your flaring,
rendered fat cascading down the steps (and eventually collecting,
appropriately, in the sewer) will carry your message through the
streets of the city and into the hearts of America.

As the Leftist forest pixies dance to the shimmering light cast by the
flaming rivulets, so shall the glow from the flames dance in the eyes
of the spectators, and so shall they gather under this new
illumination, becoming one and joining hands for The Cause.

[f. barnes]

On Nov 8, 5:44 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
> Overpopulation
> Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?

The more people the greater the problems and the more difficult and
costly the solutions.

But too many people have been infected with the "religious" belief
that more people is always better. The rational amongst us can, of
course, see the total insanity of that belief system.

[Jerry Okamura]

When is over population a problem? When there is too many people and not
enough food to feed the people. When is that going to happen in the United
States? How many more people can the United States absorb, before there is
not enough food to feed the people?

"walt tonne" wrote in message
news:b2daf476-dd9c-4431...@o13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...

[Jerry Okamura]

"f. barnes" wrote in message
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On Nov 8, 5:44 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
> Overpopulation
> Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?


The more people the greater the problems and the more difficult and
costly the solutions.

But too many people have been infected with the "religious" belief
that more people is always better. The rational amongst us can, of
course, see the total insanity of that belief system.

Can an economy thrive, "if" there is a continuing reduction in the number of
people living in that country? What would happen, "if" the world's
population started to decline rather than to increase?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Jerry Okamura wrote:

> When is over population a problem? When there is too many people and not
> enough food to feed the people. When is that going to happen in the United
> States? How many more people can the United States absorb, before there is
> not enough food to feed the people?
>

In many industrialized countries, it takes ten calories of fossil-fuel inputs to
produce a single calorie of food. What happens when the production of fossil
fuels declines?

<http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html>

--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNH7I07RY
Ezekiel 23:20

[Larry Knechtel]

Sexual Harassment Panda wrote:

> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>
>>When is over population a problem? When there is too many people and not
>>enough food to feed the people. When is that going to happen in the United
>>States? How many more people can the United States absorb, before there is
>>not enough food to feed the people?
>>
>
> In many industrialized countries, it takes ten calories of fossil-fuel inputs to
> produce a single calorie of food.

Only if you have to cook and package it, perhaps.

What happens when the production of fossil
> fuels declines?

Eat it raw.
Lots of trees available to cook certain amounts of certain meats and
stuff.

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sexual Harassment Panda" wrote in message
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Jerry Okamura wrote:

> When is over population a problem? When there is too many people and not
> enough food to feed the people. When is that going to happen in the
> United
> States? How many more people can the United States absorb, before there
> is
> not enough food to feed the people?
>
In many industrialized countries, it takes ten calories of fossil-fuel
inputs to
produce a single calorie of food. What happens when the production of fossil
fuels declines?

Man will figure out some other way to provide the food they need, or they
will die.....

[BeamMeUpScotty]

That would presume that economic growth equated to quantity and NOT
quality?

Did the end of slavery, stop all economic growth?

--
Kill da`Wabbit

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Larry Knechtel wrote:

> Sexual Harassment Panda wrote:
>
>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>
>>
>>>When is over population a problem? When there is too many people and not
>>>enough food to feed the people. When is that going to happen in the United
>>>States? How many more people can the United States absorb, before there is
>>>not enough food to feed the people?
>>>
>>
>> In many industrialized countries, it takes ten calories of fossil-fuel inputs
>> to produce a single calorie of food.
>
> Only if you have to cook and package it, perhaps.

No, not perhaps.

>
>
>
> What happens when the production of fossil
>> fuels declines?
>
> Eat it raw.
> Lots of trees available to cook certain amounts of certain meats and
> stuff.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

The US becomes like Mexico, Mexico becomes like Bangladesh, and Bangladesh
becomes a boneyard.

[Larry Knechtel]

And PLEASE, don't resort to a cartoon, you retard.

[Totalitarian]

The Third World is the problem. Growth in the West amongst the
traditional European-stock population and in Europe is flat or negative.
The Third World must be cauterized.

[f. barnes]

So the economy is like a Ponzi scheme? It works just fine so long as
the number of members continue to increase, but it falls apart if
member growth stops. If that's true then we need a different economy.

[Day Brown]

On Nov 8, 5:44 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> By failing to act now, what kinds of consequences will we as a nation

> face ...
People are acting now Walt. Only they aint telling you about it. White
folks are moving into my neck of Ozark woods. One reason is that its
99% white. I've never seen a foreclosure sign, but when I drive around
Van Buren County I always see a new mcMansion going up. They aint
putting their money where their mouths are cause they dont talk about
it, but if you pay attention you can figure it out. Like 7%
unemployment. Nobody gets rich here, but if you know what you are
doing and work at it, you can live off this land. If TSHTF.

Nobody knows cause they are too busy to post on usenet or even FB. The
rebel flags on decals behind the gun rack on the pickup or on a
flagpole in the yard is a bit curious when you consider these counties
seceded from the Confederate govt in Little Rock. But the message of
independence is the same.

[dav...@agent.com]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>Can an economy thrive, if there's a continuing reduction
>in the number of people in that country? What would

>happen, if the world's population started to decline
>rather than to increase?

What will the world be like with 8 or 9 or 10 billion?

[f. barnes]

It's similar in my part of the Missouri Ozarks. There have been no
foreclosures or people walking away from their mortgages. The small
towns are not gaining population, but the surrounding area is. The
newcomers, like the natives, are white. And you can, indeed, live off
the land if it should become necessary.

[Old Pif]

On Nov 8, 11:47 pm, "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>
> So the economy is like a Ponzi scheme?

At least some part of it. Real estate bubble has been boosted by
immigration. The industry will choke without influx of the new
dwellers.

[Sandy Myers]

> member growth stops.  If that's true then we need a different economy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree. A much healthier and happy nation would be a smaller
population to fit a smaller economy.

[Jerry Okamura]

"BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
news:4EB9904D...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

Can there be economic growth, when the overall population decreases?

[Larry Knechtel]

If the people that can't/don't work die at a faster rate, sure.

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sandy Myers" wrote in message
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And how do you achieve that goal?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Old Pif" wrote in message
news:f8f15e89-eccc-48ab...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

Only due to an influx of immigrants?

[Jerry Okamura]

wrote in message news:kbfkb7t75q1id00sj...@4ax.com...

We will either be able to accommodate that increase or we will not?

[Jerry Okamura]

"f. barnes" wrote in message

news:69e355ae-f085-480f...@g21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Well, yes... And what would be that "different economy"? Do you have an
idea, what that would be?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Larry Knechtel" wrote in message news:4ebac5e6$0$28401$607e...@cv.net...

How?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

There doesn't need to be economic growth when the population increases. That
puts debt-based currency in a bind, doesn't it? Debt-based capitalism requires
economic growth.

[Larry Knechtel]

Jerry Okamura wrote:

>
>
> wrote in message news:kbfkb7t75q1id00sj...@4ax.com...
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Can an economy thrive, if there's a continuing reduction in the number
>> of people in that country? What would happen, if the world's
>> population started to decline rather than to increase?
>
>
> What will the world be like with 8 or 9 or 10 billion?

Great for home owners/renters and food makers!

> We will either be able to accommodate that increase or we will not?

Ever see Soylent Green?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Maybe disease will prevent it?


Only Liberal-Socialists can predict the future.


--
Kill da`Wabbit

[Larry Knechtel]

Killing off the lazy Liberals would be one sure-fire way.
That way, the young and energetic smart people left over would produce
goods, work making said goods, buy low, sell high, etc... You know,
Economic Growth with LESS idiots to feed and take care of.

Of course, that ALSO means making Hawaii(Kauia in particular) THE
NATIONAL PRISON. :)

Just air drop ALL of OUR prisoners into "the yard", and let them fend
for themselves... or eat themselves!

[f. barnes]

> idea, what that would be?-

Nope, I never claimed it was a Ponzi scheme.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

NO.... it's Debt Based Government that needs growth to out pace the
debt they create paying for Socialism.

Higher Taxes don't equal higher Treasury revenue.

Income tax hits a ceiling at 18% of GDP, that means government that
spends more will just increase debt, unless they can grow the GDP and
Obama hasn't a clue how to increase GDP because he's a Socialist.




--
Kill da`Wabbit

[Islander]

Please do not cross-post.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

You don't know shit about economics! By the way, I miswrote. I said:
There doesn't need to be economic growth when the population increases.

Should have said:
There doesn't need to be economic growth when the population decreases.

>
> Higher Taxes don't equal higher Treasury revenue.
>
> Income tax hits a ceiling at 18% of GDP, that means government that
> spends more will just increase debt, unless they can grow the GDP and
> Obama hasn't a clue how to increase GDP because he's a Socialist.
>
>
>
>

--

[Islander]

Please do not cross post.

[f. barnes]

True. A stable economy along with a population decrease is equivalent
to an economy growing faster than the population increases. In each
case there is potentially a bigger slice of the pie for everyone.
However, in the first case natural resources also grow per person.
And for a smaller population there's no need to use money and
resources on building more infrastructure, instead, those monies and
those resources can be used to repair the current infrastructure.

>
>
> > Higher Taxes don't equal higher Treasury revenue.
>
> > Income tax hits a ceiling at 18% of GDP, that means government that
> > spends more will just increase debt, unless they can grow the GDP and
> > Obama hasn't a clue how to increase GDP because he's a Socialist.
>
> --http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNH7I07RY

> Ezekiel 23:20- Hide quoted text -

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The PONZI schemes like Social Security are flush with cash too, because
they're living off the previous larger populations contributions.


Unless Congress has already spent all the money and has the intention of
repaying it, so they raise taxes.


--
Kill da`Wabbit

[plainolamerican]

On Nov 8, 5:44 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
> Overpopulation
> Too Many People - Too Few Solutions?
>

> by Frosty Wooldridge
>
> Albert Einstein wrote, "The problems that exist in the world today
> cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them."
> Nonetheless, this country staggers forward with 'solutions' that
> accelerate America's population problems.
>
> In the past 10 years, the world added 880 million people. America
> added 33 million and California added six million - on its way from 35
> million to 55 million in the next 25 years. Good luck, Arnold! Like
> California, many states found themselves inundated with sprawl,
> gridlock, rising home prices, new forms of crime and diseases. Dozens
> of foreign languages, causing confusion and conflicts, migrated into
> America's schools. Today, America stands at 292 million and grows by
> 3.3 million per year. In 47 years at mid-century, America will add 200
> million which will average four million people per state.
>
> An average of 8,200 people are added to our country every day via
> annual net gains in US births at 1.0 million and immigration at 2.3
> million--legal, illegal and their births. Soon past the mid-century,
> those 200 million more Americans will be struggling for dwindling
> resources, water, food and a diminishing quality of life. In a western
> state like Colorado or Arizona, a drought in 2050 will become a
> DISASTER along with many other consequences. When one state suffers
> such a monumental crisis, all other states will be affected in time.
>
> For graphic examples, one need only look at India and China. In a
> recent speech, Arun Gandhi, grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, said, "In my
> country, 4 million people are born in the streets, live in the streets
> and die in the streets-never having used a toilet or shower." If
> massive population is so good, why is India so poor? Even more
> sobering is China's plight at 1.3 billion and growing at 12 million
> per year.
>
> Overpopulation will become the 'plague of the 21st century'.
>
> Where is America headed? Do we want such a legacy for our own
> children? According to 60 Minutes, we have one million homeless
> children struggling in our inner cities today. Why can't we take care
> of their needs even today? What will be the fate of another 200
> million people who create homeless children? How many is too many and
> when will Americans address itself to that fact? Who possesses the
> courage to step up to the reality of overpopulation/consumption/
> pollution in America-in the long term? At this time, no one.
> Politicians scurry like cockroaches at the mention of population
> stabilization. Corporations demand larger markets as if nonrenewable
> resources will appear out of thin air. They sacrifice the future of
> our children. Wake up! We're like a runaway freight train with no
> brakes headed toward a rock wall.
>
> Americans face consequences in every corner of our nation. Our East
> and West coasts, teeming with too many people, strive to deal with
> escalating water, air and land dilemmas. Deep-water wells, already
> polluted with industrial chemicals from farmers and manufacturing
> plants dumping poisons-are drying up. Acid rains pound our lakes with
> chemicals. Our cities create thick clouds where millions of children
> breathe carcinogens with every breath. Farmers kill microbes in the
> soil with fertilizers and pesticides - leaving us with contaminated
> foods for eating. Each year, 1.3 million new cancers are detected in
> our US citizens--an epidemic of our own making.
>
> Eleanor Roosevelt said it 50 years ago; "We must prevent human tragedy
> rather than run around trying to save ourselves after an event has
> already occurred. Unfortunately, history clearly shows that we arrive
> at catastrophe by failing to meet the situation, by failing to act
> when we should have acted. The opportunity passes us by and the next
> disaster is always more difficult and compounded than the last one."

>
> By failing to act now, what kinds of consequences will we as a nation

> face when we hit 1/2 billion people? States like Colorado will add
> 100% more people to their already drought prone state. That's 100%
> more cars, etc. In the US with 200 million more people, that's 77%
> more traffic, 77% added planes in the air, 77% increased pollution,
> 77% faster uses of already such limited resources as gasoline. For
> example: we're paving over 3000 acres of land each day for homes,
> roads, and malls. With each new added American, 12.6 acres of
> wilderness is plowed up to support that person. In the next 10 years,
> according to the National Academy of Sciences, 2,500 plants and
> animals will become extinct in the USA because of habitat destruction
> via population growth. Why aren't we addressing the moral and
> biological consequences of such horrific extinction rates? When you
> add global warming, ocean fisheries collapsing, acid rain, ozone
> destruction, drought, contaminated water supplies, poisoning and
> sterilization of the soils by insecticides and fertilizers--we're
> building unimaginable consequences........
>
> Continues in depth detail... @ :http://www.frostywooldridge.com/overpop/overpop.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

That's all fine and good, using Malthus, but I have a different view to show:

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xvyRd-uVqM>

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sexual Harassment Panda" wrote in message
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Can ANY system succeed without borrowing money?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Larry Knechtel" wrote in message news:4ebad3f4$0$13519$607e...@cv.net...

"Killing" is immoral....

[Leroy Vinnegar]

>/ "Killing" is immoral....

The hell you say.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Selling shares in your company is one way to raise capital without incurring
debt.

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sexual Harassment Panda" wrote in message

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They still also borrow money, don't they?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Leroy Vinnegar" wrote in message news:4ebb130e$0$28404$607e...@cv.net...

Yep

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Send them to a new Government school..... for a better education.
They deserve Social Justice.

If they seem not to be learning the correct things, our Family Courts
can force them to take Ritalin or the others that "help" them learn.



Indoctrination will succeed.


--
Kill da`Wabbit

[Sandy Myers]

> And how do you achieve that goal?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

By stopping this insane growth mostly due to illegal immigration and
decreasing our legal immigration numbers until our population growth
stabilizes and Americans are back to work, that's how.

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sandy Myers" wrote in message

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How do you stop people from doing what they want to do? What would happen
to this country, "if" there were NO immigrants coming to this country? Do
you know the answer? It ain't good news. One example is, Social Security.
"If" there were NO, immigrants allowed into this country, the program will
go broke even faster.

[dav...@agent.com]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>David P. wrote:
>"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Can an economy thrive, if there's a continuing reduction
>>in the number of people in that country? What would
>>happen, if the world's population started to decline
>>rather than to increase?
>
>What will the world be like with 8 or 9 or 10 billion?
>
>We will either be able to accommodate that increase or we will not?

Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!

And limited longevity would return more of elderly estates
to their children, instead of going to assisted living &
expensive med care. Also, it would show respect for future
generations. Why should people of the future have to live
in more crowded conditions, with more difficulty in getting
food, fuel, clean air, clean water & everything else?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

>>>>>>> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
>>>>>>> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
>>>>>>> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
>>>>>>> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction
>>>>>>> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge

Isn't illegal immigration already a population problem....


We're over populated with illegal people that ignore all our laws from
the moment that they set a foot in the USA.



--
Kill da`Wabbit



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI9Nbt7oJG0&feature=related

[Jerry Okamura]

"BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
news:4EBC34D4...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

>>>>>>> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest
>>>>>>> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
>>>>>>> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
>>>>>>> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species
>>>>>>> extinction
>>>>>>> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge



Isn't illegal immigration already a population problem....


We're over populated with illegal people that ignore all our laws from
the moment that they set a foot in the USA.

How do you stop them from coming?

[Jerry Okamura]

wrote in message news:1mcob79hda9l006tf...@4ax.com...

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:


>David P. wrote:
>"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Can an economy thrive, if there's a continuing reduction
>>in the number of people in that country? What would
>>happen, if the world's population started to decline
>>rather than to increase?
>
>What will the world be like with 8 or 9 or 10 billion?
>
>We will either be able to accommodate that increase or we will not?

Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!

"If" you control births, and people live longer, doesn't that translate to
fewer people working? And if fewer people are going to be working, how can
society support the growing number of people who do not work? And "if" you
stop killing infected animals, won't humans figure out how to continue to
survive, even if there are more infected animals?

And limited longevity would return more of elderly estates
to their children, instead of going to assisted living &
expensive med care. Also, it would show respect for future
generations. Why should people of the future have to live
in more crowded conditions, with more difficulty in getting
food, fuel, clean air, clean water & everything else?

And what policies, would achieve that goal?

[RD Sandman]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4EBC34D4...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

>
>>>>>>>> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single
>>>>>>>> greatest issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either
>>>>>>>> solve it proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us
>>>>>>>> via water shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock,
>>>>>>>> species extinction and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
>
>
> Isn't illegal immigration already a population problem....
>
>
> We're over populated with illegal people that ignore all our laws from
> the moment that they set a foot in the USA.

We are also overpopulated with people who do the same thing but were born
here.

--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

[BeamMeUpScotty]

your software misquotes and it looks like I said;

"How do you stop them from coming?"

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

*YOU*

> How do you stop them from coming?

Not the correct question

*The question is why do they avoid the LEGAL PROCESS* ?

Government is the problem!

[RD Sandman]

Sandy Myers <skm...@msn.com> wrote in
news:ef8c8b04-c4ba-42dd...@k38g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

IOW, you attach no growth in our population due to babies being born here
or folks having a longer life expectancy? Do you really believe that the
growth in population from 281,421,906 (2000) to 308,745,538 (2010) is
mostly due to illegals and legal immigration?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 11/10/2011 4:36 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> news:4EBC34D4...@blackhole.nebulax.com:
>
>>
>>>>>>>>> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single
>>>>>>>>> greatest issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either
>>>>>>>>> solve it proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us
>>>>>>>>> via water shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock,
>>>>>>>>> species extinction and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't illegal immigration already a population problem....
>>
>>
>> We're over populated with illegal people that ignore all our laws from
>> the moment that they set a foot in the USA.
>
>
> We are also overpopulated with people who do the same thing but were born
> here.
>

*Born here* being the operative words here.... Why import more? We
can do it in-house.

[Metspitzer]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:32:29 -1000, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>
>
>wrote in message news:1mcob79hda9l006tf...@4ax.com...
>
>"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>David P. wrote:
>>"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Can an economy thrive, if there's a continuing reduction
>>>in the number of people in that country? What would
>>>happen, if the world's population started to decline
>>>rather than to increase?
>>
>>What will the world be like with 8 or 9 or 10 billion?
>>
>>We will either be able to accommodate that increase or we will not?
>
>Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
>the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
>To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
>Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!
>

Really? You want more people to die?

Then why not just stop making food too?

[Leroy Vinnegar]

Then let Congress redefine "legaly" born here.

Pearsonly, I think we should stop ALL immigration, period.
Well, unless they can PROVE they are healthy and worth while, and do it,
the US all good (with a profit) within one year.

If not, or they commit a crime, air drop those losers five miles from
the nearest coast they came from, when we have a FED-EX/UPS plane going
in their general location.

[RD Sandman]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4EBC4622...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

Which is who I meant.

[plainolamerican]

---
it's called the truth

[dav...@agent.com]

Metspitzer <kilo...@charter.net> wrote:

>>>David P. wrote:
>>
>>Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
>>the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
>>To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
>>Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!
>>
>Really? You want more people to die?
>Then why not just stop making food too?

What? No atomic bombs?

[dav...@agent.com]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>David P. wrote:
>
>Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
>the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
>To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
>Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!
>

>If you control births, & people live longer, doesn't that translate
>to fewer people working? And if fewer are working, how can
>society support the growing number who do not work?

That's what I just said!! That's why we need death control!

>And if you stop killing infected animals, won't humans
>figure out how to continue to survive, even if there are
>more infected animals?

There's nothing to figure out....most people survive
the flu just fine...only a small % die, mostly the elderly!

>And limited longevity would return more of elderly estates
>to their children, instead of going to assisted living &
>expensive med care. Also, it would show respect for future
>generations. Why should people of the future have to live
>in more crowded conditions, with more difficulty in getting
>food, fuel, clean air, clean water & everything else?
>
>And what policies, would achieve that goal?

[Jerry Okamura]

wrote in message news:7pnpb79qenuqt185d...@4ax.com...

"Jerry Okamura" <okamu...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>David P. wrote:
>
>Birth control's not enough, because people live longer,
>the population ages, & not enough workers to cover 'em.
>To enact sustainability we need death control, too.
>Stop making flu vaccines & stop killing infected animals!
>
>If you control births, & people live longer, doesn't that translate
>to fewer people working? And if fewer are working, how can
>society support the growing number who do not work?

That's what I just said!! That's why we need death control!

Why try to "control" anything?

[Jerry Okamura]

"BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
news:4EBC43A2...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

You AVOID the legal process, when the cost for following the legal process
is not high.

[dav...@agent.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_%28management%29

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Free birth control, free sterilization and always-legal abortion would be a big
help.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

FREE PRIVATELY FUNDED birth control and Sterilization.... is a great idea.


Government invasion of our lives is a bad idea.



--
Kill da`Wabbit

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Ridiculous!

[RD Sandman]

Sexual Harassment Panda <bi...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fvWdnSWrGKzmHCDT...@mchsi.com:

Yes, much of it is.

[f. barnes]

On Nov 11, 11:42 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com>

wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty"  wrote in message
>
> news:4EBC43A2...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>
> On 11/10/2011 4:27 PM, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "BeamMeUpScotty"  wrote in message
> >news:4EBC34D4...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>
> >>>>>>>> "Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single
> >>>>>>>> greatest
> >>>>>>>> issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it
> >>>>>>>> proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water
> >>>>>>>> shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species
> >>>>>>>> extinction
> >>>>>>>> and worse." - Frosty Wooldridge
>
> > Isn't illegal immigration already a population problem....
>
> > We're over populated with illegal people that ignore all our laws from
> > the moment that they set a foot in the USA.
>
> your software misquotes and it looks like I said;
> "How do you stop them from coming?"
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> *YOU*
>
> > How do you stop them from coming?
>
> Not the correct question
>
> *The question is why do they avoid the LEGAL PROCESS* ?

Not the correct question.

The question is, *why do they think they have the right to come*?

There is no given right for anyone to come to this country. That it's
difficult to come legally is irrelevant. Why should it be easy? We
are under no obligation to anyone to make it easy. It's our country
so we can do whatever the fuck we want about letting others in, and
the rest of the world has no moral right to complain about it. They
can do the same with their own countries. So WTF?

>
> Government is the problem!
>
> You AVOID the legal process, when the cost for following the legal process

> is not high.- Hide quoted text -

[Jerry Okamura]

"f. barnes" wrote in message

news:a61ae2ad-fa5e-46bc...@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

No, they don't think they have a right. They just want to come here, rather
than stay where they are.

There is no given right for anyone to come to this country. That it's
difficult to come legally is irrelevant. Why should it be easy? We
are under no obligation to anyone to make it easy. It's our country
so we can do whatever the fuck we want about letting others in, and
the rest of the world has no moral right to complain about it. They
can do the same with their own countries. So WTF?

Well, that depends, "if" you really want to solve the problem of illegal
immigration, it seems to me. You cannot really believe that we can stop
them, from coming can you? But what would happen "if" we just made one
simple change to our immigration policy. No increase in the number of
people from other countries who are allowed to enter this country every
year, but simply allow them to come on a first to apply, first to enter
basis, with obvious exceptions, such as no known criminals. What do you
think would happen then. Would the number of people entering this country
illegally increase or would it likely decrease?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sexual Harassment Panda" wrote in message
news:fvWdnSWrGKzmHCDT...@mchsi.com...

Freedom is ridiculous?

[Jerry Okamura]

"Sexual Harassment Panda" wrote in message

news:W5CdnY2PLogw4yDT...@mchsi.com...

You can bring a horse to water, but you cannot force them to drink. You can
provide free birth control, or free sterilization, but that does not mean
the "people" will take advantage of that offer. We already have legal
abortions...how well has that worked?

[Jerry Okamura]

wrote in message news:qauqb7dt4r61ocur6...@4ax.com...

Why should management try to control things. Are you more able to control
people, when their paycheck depends on working for the company, or less able
to control people, if their paycheck was not dependent on working for the
company?