censorship in this group - proof

[satoshi]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ

[RonO]

On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>

Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
Who is crossposting to alt.atheism? The only newsgroup listed in my
newsgroup header is TO.

Ron Okimoto

[*Hemidactylus*]

RonO <roki...@cox.net> wrote:
>
[snip]

>
> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> Who is crossposting to alt.atheism? The only newsgroup listed in my
> newsgroup header is TO.
>

I have this entity killfiled. Does that count as censorship? In the words
of Ray Martinez I have a third world mind.

I still get plenty of bycatch, including your post, of threads started by
those I have filtered. After implementing my stricter policy I haven’t
noticed much worth following up to lately. Killing threads might be a game
of whack-a-troll.

Wish I could just whitelist, but then I might miss decent newbies.

What a trainwreck. Not much for rubbernecking anymore.

[jillery]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ


So censorship and proof are two more concepts you have no idea what
you're talking about and are proud of it.

--
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Attributed to Voltaire

[satoshi]

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> >
>
> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?

because the post was not allowed in here where i made it

[satoshi]

the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ

more censorship

who do you think the actual mod is?

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com>:

>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ

How is a cite to a delusional post you made proof (or even
vague indication) of censorship? Is "SEE? I WAS ABLE TO
POST!!!" your definition of censorship?
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[jillery]

Incorrect. The reason it didn't appear in T.O. is because you didn't
post it to T.O.

[satoshi]

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-6, jillery wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
> <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> >
> >because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>
>
> Incorrect. The reason it didn't appear in T.O. is because you didn't
> post it to T.O.

i originally tried to and it did not go through due to the censorship

[satoshi]

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:53:20 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
> <biggda...@gmail.com>:
>
> >https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>
> How is a cite to a delusional post you made proof (or even
> vague indication) of censorship? Is "SEE? I WAS ABLE TO
> POST!!!" your definition of censorship?

> > >>> in other words, stop lying
> > >>>
> > >> You first. What have I lied about?
> > >
> > > prove that is your name to start with
> > >
> >
> > Why do you have to snip and run from reality?
> >
> > How do you want me to prove what my name is?
>
> you dont even know how to prove your own name, yet claim you are proving things here?

He did not say he does not know that.

...

then why did he ask me how to do that?

[satoshi]

> On 9/29/2018 10:06 AM, satoshi wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:20:02 PM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:15:03 PM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >>> On 9/26/2018 6:35 PM, satoshi wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 7:30:02 PM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >>>>> On 6/20/2018 5:18 PM, StanFast wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982218302082?via%3Dihub
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> These are articles on what crows can do and that they can do math. The
> >>>>>>> youtube video is a pretty amazing example of what a bird brain can do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> More than you apparently.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why is projection so rampant among anti evolution creationists?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just think what it would be like if you had something sensible to talk
> >>>>> about the subject?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ron Okimoto
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_birds_and_the_bees
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Just imagine what it would be like if you actually had something that
> >>> you wanted to discuss. Would you even know when it happened?
> >>>
> >>> Ron Okimoto
> >>
> >> your sexually suggestive title is inaccurate
> >>
> >> it is not
> >>
> >> birds and the bees
> >>
> >> it is
> >>
> >> the birds and the bees
> >>
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAPoxEdwLJM
> >
>
> Do you have some reason to post this? You might want to try to make
> some type of argument.

you used the phrase that had a sexual connotation and didnt know it had that
yet accuse someone else (projection) of doing that

then you claim if i dont reply to positions i do not hold to
that i am running away

[jillery]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT), satoshi

<biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-6, jillery wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
>> <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
>> >> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
>> >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
>> >
>> >because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>>
>>
>> Incorrect. The reason it didn't appear in T.O. is because you didn't
>> post it to T.O.
>
>
>i originally tried to and it did not go through due to the censorship

Even you should be able to recognize how odd that one post would be
censored but all your other posts sail through just fine. There's
certainly nothing distinctive about it.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com>:

From the headers in that post:

"Newsgroups: alt.atheism"

Talk.origins not listed for distribution.

Do you begin to see why your post didn't appear here,
Sparky?

[satoshi]

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 12:35:02 PM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
> <biggda...@gmail.com>:
>
> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-6, jillery wrote:
> >> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
> >> <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >> >> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> >> >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> >> >
> >> >because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
> >>
> >>
> >> Incorrect. The reason it didn't appear in T.O. is because you didn't
> >> post it to T.O.
> >
> >
> >i originally tried to and it did not go through due to the censorship
>
> From the headers in that post:
>
> "Newsgroups: alt.atheism"
>
> Talk.origins not listed for distribution.
>
> Do you begin to see why your post didn't appear here,
> Sparky?

fuckhead
i tried to post it here
and it was not allowed to be in here
so i posted it over there

[jillery]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT), satoshi

Why should anybody take just your word about this? It's far more
likely you just didn't post it to T.O.

[Wolffan]

On 30 Sep 2018, satoshi wrote
(in article<b1c762af-86b5-4837...@googlegroups.com>):

Google Groups doesn’t allow cross-posting. You use Google Groups. No
cross-posting for you. I _think_ that if you reply to a cross-posted thread,
GG restricts your reply to just the group you’re in. If you get a real
newsreader you can cross-post to your heart’s desire (except you can’t
cross-post to more than four groups when posting to t.o). Your prob ain’t
t.o, it’s GG. (And the fact that you badly need to take your meds.)

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com>:

>On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 12:35:02 PM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
>> <biggda...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-6, jillery wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
>> >> <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
>> >> >> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
>> >> >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
>> >> >
>> >> >because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Incorrect. The reason it didn't appear in T.O. is because you didn't
>> >> post it to T.O.
>> >
>> >
>> >i originally tried to and it did not go through due to the censorship
>>
>> From the headers in that post:
>>
>> "Newsgroups: alt.atheism"
>>
>> Talk.origins not listed for distribution.
>>
>> Do you begin to see why your post didn't appear here,
>> Sparky?
>
>
>fuckhead

Yes, we're all aware of your character.

>i tried to post it here
>and it was not allowed to be in here

That's your claim, which I reject as a lie or another of
your delusions. The post you referenced in Gurgle showed
only alt.atheism, and that's the only evidence you have.

>so i posted it over there

So even if you *had* been blocked here (which you weren't;
that's just another of your delusions) you weren't censored,
since you were allowed to post in Gurgle's version of
Usenet. Q.E.D.

[John Bode]

How did you try to post it, and what error did you get?

Did you post from Google Groups or a different client?

[satoshi]

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-6, John Bode wrote:
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-5, satoshi wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> > > On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> > > >
> > >
> > > Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> >
> > because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>
> How did you try to post it, and what error did you get?

no error

click the post button

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028

[John Bode]

What news client did you use to post?

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:

Punctuation is such a bitch!

[Bob Casanova]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com>:

Even though that reference has absolutely nothing to do with
censorship, I assume you intended it to refer to our
discussion about claiming an identity different from one's
own, correct? If you can recall that far back (yesterday),
you'll remember this exchange:

---------------------------------
[StanFast]

it would be illegal to try to claim to be someone I am not
a crime

[Me]

Nope, that applies *only* if done for an illegal reason,
such as an attempt to circumvent arrest, or in cases such as
identity theft. Otherwise you can *legally* use any name you
want, although no one has to accept it without documentary
evidence.
------------------------------

Since your reference is about false *documentation* it
doesn't apply to that exchange.

HTH.

[David Greig]

Me.

--
david iain greig dgr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum

[nor...@granlunden.se]

satoshi wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ

Yes talk.origins is censord. It is "moderated". In talk.origins moderation is made by a computer program.

If you for example try to crosspost to more than 4 newsgroups your message would be deleted.

You can read more about the moderation rules here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/talk.origins/fjSOEWtZqaI/jNn4zkGZ1Q8J

[satoshi]

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 3:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
> On 2018-09-29, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >> > On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> >> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> >>
> >> because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
> >
> > the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ
> >
> > more censorship
> >
> > who do you think the actual mod is?
>
> Me.

You

Well?

[David Greig]

On 2018-10-09, satoshi <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 3:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
>> On 2018-09-29, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
>> >> > On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
>> >> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
>> >>
>> >> because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>> >
>> > the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one
>> >
>> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ
>> >
>> > more censorship
>> >
>> > who do you think the actual mod is?
>>
>> Me.
>
> You
>
> Well?
>

Fine, thanks for asking. You?

--D.

[satoshi]

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 5:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
> On 2018-10-09, satoshi <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 3:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
> >> On 2018-09-29, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
> >> >> > On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
> >> >> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
> >> >>
> >> >> because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
> >> >
> >> > the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one
> >> >
> >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ
> >> >
> >> > more censorship
> >> >
> >> > who do you think the actual mod is?
> >>
> >> Me.
> >
> > You
> >
> > Well?
> >
>
> Fine

Exactly

[jillery]

To be accurate, the scary quotes go around "censord" [sic] and removed
from moderated.

[jillery]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 03:37:08 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
<biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 3:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
>> On 2018-09-29, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
>> >> > On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
>> >> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
>> >>
>> >> because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>> >
>> > the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one
>> >
>> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ
>> >
>> > more censorship
>> >
>> > who do you think the actual mod is?
>>
>> Me.
>
>You
>
>Well?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMg12Af2O5k>

>> --
>> david iain greig dgr...@ediacara.org
>> moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
>> http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum

[Bob Casanova]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT), the following

appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi

<travellin...@gmail.com>:

But Who is on first.

[Bob Casanova]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by nor...@granlunden.se:

Thaty process does not fit the usual meaning of "censored",
so no, t.o is not censored. anyone, with a *very* few
specific exceptions, all for cause, can post in t.o with no
moderation of content.

[satoshi]

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:03 AM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT),

> Thaty process does not fit the usual meaning of "censored",
> so no, t.o is not censored. anyone, with a *very* few
> specific exceptions, all for cause, can post in t.o with no
> moderation of content.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
> the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
> 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
>
> - Isaac Asimov

Which is absolutely and completely total lying bullshit

[Bob Casanova]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
<travellin...@gmail.com>:

>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:03 AM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:

>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT),

>> That process does not fit the usual meaning of "censored",
>> so no, t.o is not censored. Anyone, with a *very* few

>> specific exceptions, all for cause, can post in t.o with no
>> moderation of content.

>Which is absolutely and completely total lying bullshit

No, Sparky, it is not; the process in t.o is *exactly* what
I stated. There is no content moderation *at all*, and only
a very few individuals have been banned, all for cause;
usually either for morphing nyms to avoid killfiles, or in
one especially egregious case (Jabriol, aka "Jabbers" or
"that idiot who crossposts to rape support groups with
comments that it's their fault 'because evolution' ") for
violating Netiquette so grossly and continually that he
probably deserved far worse.

*You're* posting here, which should give even you a clue.

[satoshi]

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:50:03 AM UTC-7, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:24:54 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
> <travellin...@gmail.com>:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:03 AM UTC-6, Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 03:24:57 -0700 (PDT),
> >> That process does not fit the usual meaning of "censored",
> >> so no, t.o is not censored. Anyone, with a *very* few
> >> specific exceptions, all for cause, can post in t.o with no
> >> moderation of content.
>
> >Which is absolutely and completely total lying bullshit
>
> No, Sparky, it is not; the process in t.o is *exactly* what
> I stated. There is no content moderation *at all*, and only
> a very few individuals have been banned, all for cause;
> usually either for morphing nyms to avoid killfiles, or in
> one especially egregious case (Jabriol, aka "Jabbers" or
> "that idiot who crossposts to rape support groups with
> comments that it's their fault 'because evolution' ") for
> violating Netiquette so grossly and continually that he
> probably deserved far worse.
>
> *You're* posting here, which should give even you a clue.

you are of course ignoring the evidence that certain posts of mine certainly were censored.

[Wolffan]

On 10 Oct 2018, satoshi wrote
(in article<bcf74940-1e02-4b06...@googlegroups.com>):

not by t.o or anything connected to t.o. Possibly by Google, but not by t.o.

[jillery]

You are of course referring to evidence which exists only in your
delusional imagination. That is a problem common among T.O. trolls.

[jillery]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:20:50 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
<travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>How would you know?


Since you asked, because he understands what qualifies as proof and
you don't. You're welcome.

[Wolffan]

On 10 Oct 2018, satoshi wrote

(in article<709b59c9-82ca-4a30...@googlegroups.com>):

> How would you know?

Because many, many, MANY different people over DECADES have complained about
Google Groups in many, MANY newsgroups, most of which are NOT moderated.
Meanwhile, t.o’s robomod has very specific rules. You simply cannot violate
some of those rules when posting using Google Groups, as those rules involve
crossposting (max of four newsgroups, including t.o; if one other group is a
Jehovah’s Witless group, just two groups; no crossposts to rape survivor
groups) and GG doesn’t allow crossposting. You’re still posting, so
you’re not banned. The t.o robomod doesn’t kill individual posts. Nah,
(one of) your problem(s) is Google being Google. If you get a real newsfeed
that problem will go away. You’ll still be nuts and stupid, though.

[Wolffan]

On 11 Oct 2018, jillery wrote
(in article<rsmtrdd0n6s9svile...@4ax.com>):

In this (limited) case he has a basis in fact: some of his posts may not show
up. Google Groups will sometimes refuse to post something and will sometimes
say that something was posted but no-one, including the poster, ever sees the
post. It’s not anything to do with t.o. It is everything to do with Google.
It’s a known bug which has not been fixed in years, and which probably will
never be fixed ever. It’s also much worse over in non-usenet Google groups.
If he were to get a real newsfeed (eternal september is possibly the
best-known such service) and a free news client (lots of them, going all the
way back to trn, and how I’d _love_ to see him try to use trn...) his
posting problem would go away. His mental problems would, of course, remain.
(If he tried to use eternal september with trn they might get worse. Popcorn,
anyone?)

[jillery]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:26:54 -0400, Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com>
wrote:

The following may come across as pointlessly pedantic, but it's really
a sincere point about epistemology.

Other than satoshi's testimony, there is no material evidence that he
made those posts to T.O. One might allow for argument's sake he
actually did as he claims, but based on his numerous posts which
passed the "censor", my default assumption is, any statement Satoshi
makes is counterfactual. If he told me the sky is blue, I would first
look outside before accepting it.

It is true that numerous people have complained about GG dropping
their posts without notice. To which I respond thus:

1) That is not evidence of Satoshi's claim any more that the
appearance of UFOs is evidence of space aliens visiting Earth, or that
Nyikos the peter's cites to others' posts are evidence of their
malfeasance.

2) Whatever problems GG has with dropping posts, given the mechanics
of T.O.'s moderation, GG is far less likely to drop posts to T.O. than
to other froups. And even if GG did drop a post to T.O., said post
would *still* necessarily appear on other news servers. The fact that
Satoshi's allegedly "censored" posts did not so appear (I checked),
rules out your hypothesis.

On that basis, I reassert it's far more likely Satoshi posted to
another froup, or he simply misremembered posting them in the first
place.

[Bob Casanova]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT), the following

There is no such evidence. There is only your assertion,
which I reject.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:17:05 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:20:50 -0700 (PDT), satoshi
><travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>How would you know?
>
>
>Since you asked, because he understands what qualifies as proof and
>you don't. You're welcome.

Since satoshi (aka StanFast) thinks(?) that videos and
photos of documents posted online "prove" who he is, your
contention is confirmed.

[zencycle]

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-4, Wolffan wrote:
>
> In this (limited) case he has a basis in fact: some of his posts may not show
> up. Google Groups will sometimes refuse to post something and will sometimes
> say that something was posted but no-one, including the poster, ever sees the
> post. It’s not anything to do with t.o. It is everything to do with Google.
> It’s a known bug which has not been fixed in years, and which probably will
> never be fixed ever. It’s also much worse over in non-usenet Google groups.

Shitoshi's paranoid delusions prevent him from understanding it's a simple technology glitch. I'm pretty sure everyone who uses google groups has experienced it more than a few times (I have). My feeling is, if the worst thing that happens to me on any given day is that a post of mine doesn't show up on T.O., I'm doing pretty fucking good, and I think most of us here have the same philosophy. That shitoshi has had such on obvious emotional reaction to it only reveals that he has a much more concerning underlying problem.

> If he were to get a real newsfeed (eternal september is possibly the
> best-known such service) and a free news client (lots of them, going all the
> way back to trn, and how I’d _love_ to see him try to use trn...) his
> posting problem would go away. His mental problems would, of course, remain.
> (If he tried to use eternal september with trn they might get worse. Popcorn,
> anyone?)

He has enough problems putting together coherent sentences. If he tried to use eternal september, it would push his paranoia of the deep end.

[John Bode]

How did you post them? What client did you use (GG, forte, thunderbird, pan, ...)? Did
you attempt to crosspost to other moderated newsgroups? Did you attempt to crosspost
to any support groups? Did you attempt to crosspost to more than 4 other groups
that don't belong to the previous categories?

Have you attempted to repost any of those messages?

t.o. moderation is done by a script - it looks at authors (people who have been
perma-banned for cause), newsgroups (no crossposting to more than 4 groups,
no crossposting to moderated groups, no crossposting to certain flagged groups), and
*that's it*. There are any number of reasons why your post didn't show up that have
nothing to do with moderation.

[Oxyaena]

I prefer Albasani.net, they're free and a hell of a lot more stable than
Eternal September is.

[*Hemidactylus*]

zencycle <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip]

>
> Shitoshi's paranoid delusions prevent him from understanding it's a
> simple technology glitch. I'm pretty sure everyone who uses google groups
> has experienced it more than a few times (I have). My feeling is, if the
> worst thing that happens to me on any given day is that a post of mine
> doesn't show up on T.O., I'm doing pretty fucking good, and I think most
> of us here have the same philosophy. That shitoshi has had such on
> obvious emotional reaction to it only reveals that he has a much more
> concerning underlying problem.
>

I sometimes send posts that fail to show. I attribute it to some glitch in
the exchange between servers from my newsserver to Darwin. If I expended
any effort on the post it can be a source of frustration and for some
reason my reader doesn’t have a sent folder. But it’s not a deliberate
attempt to stifle me. Just usenet gremlins making a meal of my word salad.

[Oxyaena]

I can't imagine the number of times we've told trolls like Shitfest and
Professor Dunce (aka "Nyikos") to switch to a real newsreader, are all
trolls so masochistic that they insist on continuing to harm themselves
by using GG? I think so.

[jillery]

If you send a post and nobody reads it, does it still make a noise?

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:38:21 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by John Bode
<jfbod...@gmail.com>:

I wasn't aware that crossposting to *all* moderated groups
is banned; are you sure of that?

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 23:02:54 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:54:54 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
><ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>>zencycle <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>[snip]
>>>
>>> Shitoshi's paranoid delusions prevent him from understanding it's a
>>> simple technology glitch. I'm pretty sure everyone who uses google groups
>>> has experienced it more than a few times (I have). My feeling is, if the
>>> worst thing that happens to me on any given day is that a post of mine
>>> doesn't show up on T.O., I'm doing pretty fucking good, and I think most
>>> of us here have the same philosophy. That shitoshi has had such on
>>> obvious emotional reaction to it only reveals that he has a much more
>>> concerning underlying problem.
>>>
>>I sometimes send posts that fail to show. I attribute it to some glitch in
>>the exchange between servers from my newsserver to Darwin. If I expended
>>any effort on the post it can be a source of frustration and for some
>>reason my reader doesn’t have a sent folder. But it’s not a deliberate
>>attempt to stifle me. Just usenet gremlins making a meal of my word salad.
>
>
>If you send a post and nobody reads it, does it still make a noise?

If satoshi/StanFast makes a post, it's *always* noise.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:54:54 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@allspamis.invalid>:

It happens to all of us occasionally. I've found that, in
*some* cases, retyping the content of both the "Newsgroups"
and "Subject" fields fixes the problem for the re-send,
indicating that those fields were invisibly munged somehow
(or that a simple re-send might also have worked).

However, in a post by John Bode he stated that crossposting
to *all* moderated groups is banned, which, if correct,
could have been the problem with at least some of the
messages which didn't appear; I try to remove obviously
inappropriate groups, but I haven't made it a crusade, and I
always check for the number of groups to keep below the "max
4" requirement.

[Oxyaena]

On 10/9/2018 1:47 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by satoshi
> <travellin...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 5:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-09, satoshi <biggda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 3:55:04 AM UTC-6, David Greig wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-09-29, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:55:04 AM UTC-6, satoshi wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:25:03 AM UTC-6, Ron O wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/29/2018 9:53 AM, satoshi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/HNFCpdV2rqY/1EVXh1LMAAAJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you going to state why you think this is an example of censorship?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because the post was not allowed in here where i made it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the original i tried to put in here was slightly different than this one
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/ayhp9RRzXrs/3On5JT0OAQAJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more censorship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who do you think the actual mod is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Me.
>>>>
>>>> You
>>>>
>>>> Well?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fine
>>
>> Exactly
>
> But Who is on first.
>

Goat.

[David Greig]

On 2018-10-11, satoshi <travellin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How would you know?
>

Well, I'd know if I did it, and I didn't, unless you got caught by doing
something that gets autoblocked like posting credit card spam or in
Chinese or something. Also no disk fills. I haven't made any filter
rules regarding you personally.

Really, it's usually Google. Unless the disk fills or the server crashed.

Does that answer your question about censorship?

--D.

[satoshi]

> Does that answer your question about censorship?
>
> --D.

I don't have any questions about censorship you stupid lying worthless piece of donkey shit

[David Greig]

Apparently you're nymshfting, so you're banned now, which strictly speaking
is censorship, but you're still banned.

--D.

[John Bode]

And there was some moderate rejoicing (yay).

I haven't seen the moderation and posting FAQ in a while - is it in a permanent location
now? Elsethread I claimed that the script rejected articles that were crossposted to
all other moderated groups - is that true, or did I pop a synapse and misremember a rule?