OT completely, but I think this needs to be read

[Tim Anderson]

The Australian Government has been conducting a Royal Commission into the institutional abuse of children (in the United States, this is roughly equivalent and has roughly the same authority as a federal Special Counsel investigation).

The Royal Commission has released its final report.

Here it is:

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report

And here is the response to the Commission's final report from two of the main targets of the Commission: the Catholic and Anglican churches (the Anglicans are better known as Episcopalians in the USA):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/royal-commission-into-child-abuse-makes-almost-200-new-findings/9261286

Read the churches' responses and weep.

I apologize for posting something so off-topic, but this may be a turning point in Australian civic life.

I certainly hope so.

[Jonathan]

The govt shouldn't be in the business of telling
religion how they should conduct confessions
or force them to change their policy on celibacy.















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[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:32:04 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Jonathan
<WriteI...@gmail.com>:

>On 12/17/2017 6:15 AM, Tim Anderson wrote:
>> The Australian Government has been conducting a Royal Commission into the institutional abuse of children (in the United States, this is roughly equivalent and has roughly the same authority as a federal Special Counsel investigation).
>>
>> The Royal Commission has released its final report.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report
>>
>> And here is the response to the Commission's final report from two of the main targets of the Commission: the Catholic and Anglican churches (the Anglicans are better known as Episcopalians in the USA):
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/royal-commission-into-child-abuse-makes-almost-200-new-findings/9261286
>>
>> Read the churches' responses and weep.
>>
>> I apologize for posting something so off-topic, but this may be a turning point in Australian civic life.
>>
>> I certainly hope so.

>The govt shouldn't be in the business of telling
>religion how they should conduct confessions
>or force them to change their policy on celibacy.

Cites to the relevant URLs, please. There's a *lot* of
information there, in multiple reports, and none of the
links seem to relate specifically to either celibacy or the
confessional.
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[Jonathan]

On 12/17/2017 1:08 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:32:04 -0500, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Jonathan
> <WriteI...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On 12/17/2017 6:15 AM, Tim Anderson wrote:
>>> The Australian Government has been conducting a Royal Commission into the institutional abuse of children (in the United States, this is roughly equivalent and has roughly the same authority as a federal Special Counsel investigation).
>>>
>>> The Royal Commission has released its final report.
>>>
>>> Here it is:
>>>
>>> https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report
>>>
>>> And here is the response to the Commission's final report from two of the main targets of the Commission: the Catholic and Anglican churches (the Anglicans are better known as Episcopalians in the USA):
>>>
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/royal-commission-into-child-abuse-makes-almost-200-new-findings/9261286
>>>
>>> Read the churches' responses and weep.
>>>
>>> I apologize for posting something so off-topic, but this may be a turning point in Australian civic life.
>>>
>>> I certainly hope so.
>
>> The govt shouldn't be in the business of telling
>> religion how they should conduct confessions
>> or force them to change their policy on celibacy.
>
> Cites to the relevant URLs, please. There's a *lot* of
> information there, in multiple reports, and none of the
> links seem to relate specifically to either celibacy or the
> confessional.
>

First paragraph


"The sanctity of the religious confessional would be
tossed aside and celibacy would become voluntary under
the new recommendations, many of which are aimed at
making children safer."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/royal-commission-into-child-abuse-makes-almost-200-new-findings/9261286

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 13:22:41 -0500, the following appeared

Thanks. I looked at the first you cited...

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report

....and followed a couple of the links, but not at the
second. My bad.

FWIW, I agree that except for specific instances of harm
(which should be prosecuted fully), government should stay
out of religion.