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Edna Freon
Oct 4, 2018, 11:40:03 AM10/4/18
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The Presidential Alert that was intended to access all
phones, computers and televisions and that raises questions.
To accomplish this every ISP has to route the alert to every
one of their customers and receive an acknowledgment from
each of them. This is a bad thing.
Your communication with your ISP opens a route that
identifies you, your account information and, maybe, credit
card numbers and browsing history. By accessing your
computer, phone, television, etc., your information is
exposed. Hackers have to go to some trouble to do all this
but the government doesn't. In fact the access is from a
single source: The Presidential Alert System.
No need for warrants or courts or probable cause, just enter
a key sequence and, Presto! the government is looking over
your shoulder. There is no opt-out.
So here we have a solid case of social evolution where the
old, "Mind your own business!" admonishment is meaningless.
This is also evidence that humans are mutating to a hive
mentality where one personality fits all. Political
correctness is the evidence of what we will become. This is
all the flaky paranoia of course but what are the
alternatives?
Bill
phones, computers and televisions and that raises questions.
To accomplish this every ISP has to route the alert to every
one of their customers and receive an acknowledgment from
each of them. This is a bad thing.
Your communication with your ISP opens a route that
identifies you, your account information and, maybe, credit
card numbers and browsing history. By accessing your
computer, phone, television, etc., your information is
exposed. Hackers have to go to some trouble to do all this
but the government doesn't. In fact the access is from a
single source: The Presidential Alert System.
No need for warrants or courts or probable cause, just enter
a key sequence and, Presto! the government is looking over
your shoulder. There is no opt-out.
So here we have a solid case of social evolution where the
old, "Mind your own business!" admonishment is meaningless.
This is also evidence that humans are mutating to a hive
mentality where one personality fits all. Political
correctness is the evidence of what we will become. This is
all the flaky paranoia of course but what are the
alternatives?
Bill
JWS
Oct 4, 2018, 1:45:03 PM10/4/18
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Bob Casanova
Oct 4, 2018, 1:50:03 PM10/4/18
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:36:07 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Edna Freon <fre...@gmail.com>:
>The Presidential Alert that was intended to access all
>phones, computers and televisions and that raises questions.
That is not a sentence, but let that pass.
>To accomplish this every ISP has to route the alert to every
>one of their customers and receive an acknowledgment from
>each of them. This is a bad thing.
Nope, at least not for the reason you give below.
>Your communication with your ISP opens a route that
>identifies you, your account information and, maybe, credit
>card numbers and browsing history. By accessing your
>computer, phone, television, etc., your information is
>exposed. Hackers have to go to some trouble to do all this
>but the government doesn't. In fact the access is from a
>single source: The Presidential Alert System.
Please cite a link showing that any organization other than
the ISP (which already *has* the information you list) has
direct communication with your computer. As you describe it,
the ISP is required to send an alert to the client base and
receive a response, then send a response to the alert system
indicating compliance. If so, there is no more exposure in
that process than at any other time when you're online.
>No need for warrants or courts or probable cause, just enter
>a key sequence and, Presto! the government is looking over
>your shoulder. There is no opt-out.
>
>So here we have a solid case of social evolution where the
>old, "Mind your own business!" admonishment is meaningless.
>This is also evidence that humans are mutating to a hive
>mentality where one personality fits all. Political
>correctness is the evidence of what we will become. This is
>all the flaky paranoia of course but what are the
>alternatives?
>
>Bill
--
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
in talk.origins, posted by Edna Freon <fre...@gmail.com>:
>The Presidential Alert that was intended to access all
>phones, computers and televisions and that raises questions.
>To accomplish this every ISP has to route the alert to every
>one of their customers and receive an acknowledgment from
>each of them. This is a bad thing.
>Your communication with your ISP opens a route that
>identifies you, your account information and, maybe, credit
>card numbers and browsing history. By accessing your
>computer, phone, television, etc., your information is
>exposed. Hackers have to go to some trouble to do all this
>but the government doesn't. In fact the access is from a
>single source: The Presidential Alert System.
the ISP (which already *has* the information you list) has
direct communication with your computer. As you describe it,
the ISP is required to send an alert to the client base and
receive a response, then send a response to the alert system
indicating compliance. If so, there is no more exposure in
that process than at any other time when you're online.
>No need for warrants or courts or probable cause, just enter
>a key sequence and, Presto! the government is looking over
>your shoulder. There is no opt-out.
>
>So here we have a solid case of social evolution where the
>old, "Mind your own business!" admonishment is meaningless.
>This is also evidence that humans are mutating to a hive
>mentality where one personality fits all. Political
>correctness is the evidence of what we will become. This is
>all the flaky paranoia of course but what are the
>alternatives?
>
>Bill
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
zencycle
Oct 4, 2018, 2:35:03 PM10/4/18
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On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-4, JWS wrote:
>
> No doubt you voted for it.
This system has its roots in the bush administration, was finalized in the Obama administration, and finally implemented in the past few weeks.
>
> No doubt you voted for it.
zencycle
Oct 4, 2018, 3:05:03 PM10/4/18
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On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:40:03 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>
> This is
> all the flaky paranoia of course
So you agree it's largely paranoia?
>
> This is
> all the flaky paranoia of course
> but what are the
> alternatives?
Bob Casanova
Oct 5, 2018, 2:20:03 PM10/5/18
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:46:52 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
Hey, Bill? I'd really like an answer to this.
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
Hey, Bill? I'd really like an answer to this.
Oxyaena
Oct 6, 2018, 8:20:02 AM10/6/18
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Food for thought.
Bob Casanova
Oct 9, 2018, 2:10:04 PM10/9/18
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 11:15:58 -0700, the following appeared
the mythical "Presidential Alert Gestapo", and is now
turning large rocks into gravel?
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:46:52 -0700, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
Bill/Edna seems to have disappeared. Maybe he got caught by
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:46:52 -0700, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
the mythical "Presidential Alert Gestapo", and is now
turning large rocks into gravel?
Edna Freon
Oct 9, 2018, 2:40:03 PM10/9/18
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 11:15:58 -0700, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:46:52 -0700, the following appeared
>>in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
>
> Bill/Edna seems to have disappeared. Maybe he got caught
> by the mythical "Presidential Alert Gestapo", and is now
> turning large rocks into gravel?
>
>>Hey, Bill? I'd really like an answer to this.
I'm still here. I just haven't seen much worth responding
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 11:15:58 -0700, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:46:52 -0700, the following appeared
>>in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:
>
> Bill/Edna seems to have disappeared. Maybe he got caught
> by the mythical "Presidential Alert Gestapo", and is now
> turning large rocks into gravel?
>
>>Hey, Bill? I'd really like an answer to this.
to.
Bill
Bob Casanova
Oct 10, 2018, 2:10:03 PM10/10/18
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:36:55 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Edna Freon <fre...@gmail.com>:
So, it's back to "snip the question and refuse to support
the claims"? OK.
FWIW, nothing you posted in this thread was true, other than
the self-descriptive "Subject:" field.
in talk.origins, posted by Edna Freon <fre...@gmail.com>:
the claims"? OK.
FWIW, nothing you posted in this thread was true, other than
the self-descriptive "Subject:" field.
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