Kansas: Board member Morris: Evolution a 'fairy tale'

Jason Spaceman

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From the article:
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JOHN HANNA

Associated Press

TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
for Kansas' public schools.

A newsletter written by board member Connie Morris, of St. Francis,
was circulating on Monday. In it, Morris criticized fellow board
members, news organizations and scientists who defend evolution.

She called evolution "a theory in crisis" and headlined one section of
her newsletter "The Evolutionists are in Panic Mode!"

"It is our goal to write the standards in such a way that clearly
gives educators the right AND responsibility to present the criticism
of Darwinism alongside the age-old fairy tale of evolution," Morris
wrote.

Morris was one of three board members who last week endorsed proposed
science standards designed to expose students to more criticism of
evolution in the classroom. The other two were board Chairman Steve
Abrams, of Arkansas City, and Kathy Martin, of Clay Center.
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Read it at http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/11885987.htm

J. Spaceman

Robert J. Kolker

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Jun 14, 2005, 8:32:25 AM6/14/05

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Jason Spaceman wrote:

> From the article:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> JOHN HANNA
>
> Associated Press
>
> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.

Evolution goes back to the 18-th century.

The Creation Myth is an even older fairy tale which goes back nearly
3000 years.

Bob Kolker

Cheezits

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Jun 14, 2005, 9:13:28 AM6/14/05

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Jason Spaceman <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

> From the article:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> JOHN HANNA
>
> Associated Press
>
> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.

Creation is an age-old fairy tale, usually defended with anti-science
contempt and arrogance.

Sue
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"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green

Niels van der Linden

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Jun 14, 2005, 9:50:45 AM6/14/05

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> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes

> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," [..]

...must...comment...irony...

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errors may not be displayed or recorded.

Ian H Spedding

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Jun 14, 2005, 11:16:49 AM6/14/05

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Jason Spaceman wrote:
>
> From the article:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> JOHN HANNA
>
> Associated Press
>
> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.
>
> A newsletter written by board member Connie Morris, of St. Francis,
> was circulating on Monday. In it, Morris criticized fellow board
> members, news organizations and scientists who defend evolution.
>
> She called evolution "a theory in crisis" and headlined one section of
> her newsletter "The Evolutionists are in Panic Mode!"
>
> "It is our goal to write the standards in such a way that clearly
> gives educators the right AND responsibility to present the criticism
> of Darwinism alongside the age-old fairy tale of evolution," Morris
> wrote.

Hark! Is that the sound of heads beng banged against walls I hear
coming from the Discovery Institute and the Thomas More Law Center?

Ian

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AC

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In the Captain Kirk Computer Insanity Memorial Prize department:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:50:45 +0200,

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rich hammett

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In talk.origins Jason Spaceman <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:

> From the article:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> JOHN HANNA

> Associated Press

> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.

> A newsletter written by board member Connie Morris, of St. Francis,

As the kids might say, this is one skanky ho.

Reporting a student to the FBI for "terroristic threats" when
he asks her a question for his student film about her outrageous
anti-immigrant stances:

http://pitch.com/issues/2004-10-21/news/janovy.html

Calling a 3rd generation American (and mayor of his town)
an illegal immigrant, as part of her campaign. (above link)

She evaded campaign finance laws:

http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/2005/03/right-wing-pacs-channel-big-bucks-to.html

She wrote a book about her rise to nobility
from being an abused appalachian kid. I'm happy
for her, but she seems pretty sure that Jesus is
the answer for everybody. So sure, she's willing
to lie, cheat, and steal to make everybody's kid
as noble as she is.

rich

> was circulating on Monday. In it, Morris criticized fellow board
> members, news organizations and scientists who defend evolution.

> She called evolution "a theory in crisis" and headlined one section of
> her newsletter "The Evolutionists are in Panic Mode!"

> "It is our goal to write the standards in such a way that clearly
> gives educators the right AND responsibility to present the criticism
> of Darwinism alongside the age-old fairy tale of evolution," Morris
> wrote.

> Morris was one of three board members who last week endorsed proposed
> science standards designed to expose students to more criticism of
> evolution in the classroom. The other two were board Chairman Steve
> Abrams, of Arkansas City, and Kathy Martin, of Clay Center.
> -----------------------------------------------------------

> Read it at http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/11885987.htm

> J. Spaceman

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nemo

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Jun 14, 2005, 6:53:34 PM6/14/05

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In article <6jgta195fv4220gan...@4ax.com>,
Jason Spaceman <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:

> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.

I just wish these cretininsts would take a year to study the real
science and evidence behind the theory, rather than just parroting the
moronic bullshit handed them by the blood suckers who peddle Jeebus.
They spend all their time reading fucking Lee Strobel and James Kennedy
and don't even bother to look at what they're trying to tear apart.

Typical behavior for barbarians. These people are far more dangerous to
our civilization than any Visigoth or Vandal ever was to the ancient
world.

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Chris Wiswell

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Jun 14, 2005, 7:02:01 PM6/14/05

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"rich hammett" <bubba...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> In talk.origins Jason Spaceman <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> sanoi,
> hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>> From the article:
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> JOHN HANNA
>
>> Associated Press
>
>> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
>> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
>> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
>> for Kansas' public schools.
>
>> A newsletter written by board member Connie Morris, of St. Francis,
>
> As the kids might say, this is one skanky ho.

>
> She evaded campaign finance laws:
>
> http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/2005/03/right-wing-pacs-channel-big-bucks-to.html
>
> She wrote a book about her rise to nobility
> from being an abused appalachian kid. I'm happy
> for her, but she seems pretty sure that Jesus is
> the answer for everybody. So sure, she's willing
> to lie, cheat, and steal to make everybody's kid
> as noble as she is.
>

You may also want to notice the following from your link:

<quote>
John Calvert, of the Intelligent Design Network, who now seems to have a
special relationship with the school board sub-committee which announced
recently it will hold Scopes style hearings on evolution later this year, is
also a contributor.

Calvert made political contributions to Abrams, Morris, and Martin, all
members of the conservative sub-committee that has short-circuited the
existing curriculum development process in favor of public hearings.
</quote>

To wit: The three judges in the kangaroo court had all recieved money from
the prosecutor.

Sonuvagun.

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Clayton...Less Calories, More Filling

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Jun 14, 2005, 7:24:03 PM6/14/05

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"Jason Spaceman" <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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> From the article:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> JOHN HANNA
>
> Associated Press
>
> TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> for Kansas' public schools.

Surely that should be enough to remove a person like that from an EDUCATION
board!!!!

Geoff

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2nd!!!

Masked Avenger

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Mike Henry wrote:
> "Clayton...Less Calories, More Filling" <cj...@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com>
> wrote in message news:42af66d1$0$23468$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

> In Kansas the Board of Education is elected and subject to no other
> authority. This was meant to make it non-partisan. Isn't that funny?
>

It would be funny if it weren't so depressing ...... do the 'elected'
Board members have to have any Educational Credentials or can anyone get
elected ?

--
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Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels

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Bruce

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"Masked Avenger" <coot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Henry wrote:
> > "Clayton...Less Calories, More Filling" <cj...@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com>
> > wrote in message news:42af66d1$0$23468$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> >>"Jason Spaceman" <notr...@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
> >>news:6jgta195fv4220gan...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>>From the article:
> >>>------------------------------------------------------
> >>>JOHN HANNA
> >>>
> >>>Associated Press
> >>>
> >>>TOPEKA, Kan. - Evolution is an "age-old fairy tale," sometimes
> >>>defended with "anti-God contempt and arrogance," according to a State
> >>>Board of Education member involved in writing new science standards
> >>>for Kansas' public schools.
> >>
> >>Surely that should be enough to remove a person like that from an
> >>EDUCATION
> >>board!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > In Kansas the Board of Education is elected and subject to no other
> > authority. This was meant to make it non-partisan. Isn't that funny?
> >
>
> It would be funny if it weren't so depressing ...... do the 'elected'
> Board members have to have any Educational Credentials or can anyone get
> elected ?
>

The only requirements are: U.S. Citizen, Resident of the appropriate
district/state, and a willingness to run & serve.

Kleuskes & Moos

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Jun 15, 2005, 7:36:16 AM6/15/05

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It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
that linux can't deal with.

John Wilkins

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Jun 15, 2005, 7:48:27 AM6/15/05

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Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
> It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
> that linux can't deal with.
>

It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.

--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122

Andrew Arensburger

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Jun 15, 2005, 11:59:16 AM6/15/05

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In talk.origins John Wilkins <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
> Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>> It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
>> that linux can't deal with.
>>
> It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.

You just like Darwin because of its mascot: you're fond of
platypodes.

--
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arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Let's get some chaos into this confusion.

Andrew Arensburger

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In talk.origins Bruce <bec...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> "Masked Avenger" <coot...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42b006ad$0$16489$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...

>> It would be funny if it weren't so depressing ...... do the 'elected'
>> Board members have to have any Educational Credentials or can anyone get
>> elected ?

> The only requirements are: U.S. Citizen, Resident of the appropriate
> district/state, and a willingness to run & serve.

Is there an age requirement? Is there a species requirement,
or is that included in "U.S. Citizen"?

--
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arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology

There's a sucker born again every minute.

Mitch...@aol.com

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Jun 15, 2005, 3:00:59 PM6/15/05

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"I just wish these cretininsts would take a year to study the real
science and evidence behind the theory, rather than just parroting the
moronic bullshit handed them by the blood suckers who peddle Jeebus."

Just make sure there is plenty of time for setting the record straight
after the idiotic questions that are invariably ask by people who know
things that simply aren't true.

And then again, you might have to put these unfortunates through a
class in critical reasonsing skills before sending through any science
program.....

er...@swva.net

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Jun 15, 2005, 4:41:48 PM6/15/05

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So what? They don't belong to exactly the right fundamentalist sect,
so they're going to Hell anyway.

> Ian
>
>
Eric Root

Walter Bushell

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Jun 15, 2005, 5:21:12 PM6/15/05

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In article <d8p4i2$glp$1...@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:

> Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
> > It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
> > that linux can't deal with.
> >
> It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.

even a full Hovind is no match for a tiger, or even a panther.

--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.

John Wilkins

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Jun 15, 2005, 6:46:27 PM6/15/05

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Andrew Arensburger wrote:
> In talk.origins John Wilkins <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>>
>>>It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
>>>that linux can't deal with.
>>>
>>
>>It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.
>
>
> You just like Darwin because of its mascot: you're fond of
> platypodes.
>

No, I'm anti podes...

rome williams

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Jun 15, 2005, 7:03:09 PM6/15/05

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It has been proved that Evolution is false! but if you don't believe
then that would indicate that the earth just came to be. and the stars
and sun just popped in place. what make the materiel that make the
galaxy and what make that and so on and so on. black holes, planets, and
space itself, your knowledge is like a germ inside of a human body that
has no idea of what is on the outer limits of it. for all you know our
galaxy could be a bloodcell in the whole creation of the bigger picture.
the only real evolution is that we all were sperm it sometime or another
and do you remember that former life of yours.

Boikat

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Jun 15, 2005, 7:10:50 PM6/15/05

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"rome williams" <rom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> It has been proved that Evolution is false!

Oh? When, and by whom?

> but if you don't believe
> then that would indicate that the earth just came to be.

Well, it did, after a fassion.

> and the stars
> and sun just popped in place.

Not exactly.

> what make the materiel that make the
> galaxy and what make that and so on and so on.

It all started with the Big bang.

> black holes, planets, and
> space itself,

Same as above. It all started with the Big bang. At least that's what the
data suggests.

> your knowledge is like a germ inside of a human body that
> has no idea of what is on the outer limits of it. for all you know our
> galaxy could be a bloodcell in the whole creation of the bigger picture.

Or not.

> the only real evolution is that we all were sperm it sometime or another
> and do you remember that former life of yours.

A waisted mind is a terrible thing.

Boikat
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SDM Technical Constultants

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Jun 15, 2005, 9:55:13 PM6/15/05

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Boikat wrote:

>
> A waisted mind is a terrible thing.
>
> Boikat

And I think this one was cinched a little too tight.

John Wilkins

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Jun 15, 2005, 10:41:16 PM6/15/05

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No need to belt him, though.

Jeffrey Turner

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Jun 15, 2005, 10:46:44 PM6/15/05

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SDM Technical Constultants wrote:

It's been said I've been thinking below my belt.

--Jeff

--
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the sheep that their interests and
his own are the same. --Stendhal

Jeffrey Turner

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Jun 15, 2005, 10:47:47 PM6/15/05

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Walter Bushell wrote:
> John Wilkins <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>>
>>>It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
>>>that linux can't deal with.
>>>
>>
>>It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.
>
>
>
> even a full Hovind is no match for a tiger, or even a panther.

Tiger, panther, it's both the same "kind."

John Wilkins

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Jun 15, 2005, 11:16:32 PM6/15/05

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Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> Walter Bushell wrote:
>
>> John Wilkins <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
>>>>that linux can't deal with.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.
>>
>>
>>
>>even a full Hovind is no match for a tiger, or even a panther.
>
>
> Tiger, panther, it's both the same "kind."
>
> --Jeff
>

There's the Mac baramin, and the DOS baramin...

shane

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Jun 15, 2005, 11:02:40 PM6/15/05

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John Wilkins wrote:

> SDM Technical Constultants wrote:
>
>>Boikat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>A waisted mind is a terrible thing.
>>>
>>>Boikat
>>
>>
>>And I think this one was cinched a little too tight.
>>
>>
>
> No need to belt him, though.
>

Attention Ladies and Gentlemen, we seem to be experiencing a mini
puscade, please brace yourselves or you may buckle, thank you.

John Wilkins

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Jun 15, 2005, 11:15:59 PM6/15/05

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Or, as Mae West once said, strap yourselves in; we're in for a bumpy ride.

But we should harness this energy and stop yoking about.

[puscade? ewww]

Matt Silberstein

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Jun 16, 2005, 12:23:45 AM6/16/05

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:15:59 +1000, in talk.origins , John Wilkins
<j.wil...@uq.edu.au> in <d8qqtf$1soj$1...@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au> wrote:

>shane wrote:
>> John Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>>SDM Technical Constultants wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Boikat wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A waisted mind is a terrible thing.

I have no waist and, so, no mind.

>>>>
>>>>And I think this one was cinched a little too tight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>No need to belt him, though.
>>>
>>
>> Attention Ladies and Gentlemen, we seem to be experiencing a mini
>> puscade, please brace yourselves or you may buckle, thank you.
>>
>Or, as Mae West once said, strap yourselves in; we're in for a bumpy ride.

I Bette you are wrong.

>But we should harness this energy and stop yoking about.

This is making me loopy.

>[puscade? ewww]

They are infectious.

--
Matt Silberstein

All in all, if I could be any animal, I would want to be
a duck or a goose. They can fly, walk, and swim. Plus,
there there is a certain satisfaction knowing that at the
end of your life you will taste good with an orange sauce
or, in the case of a goose, a chestnut stuffing.

Martin Hutton

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Jun 16, 2005, 12:22:24 AM6/16/05

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Going for a lotta Loki points, eh? Even went and got yourself a webtv
account just to look especially ignorant.

Next time you try, remember:
Spelling could be worse
Real net-kooks don't use punctuation
Real net-kooks aren't too worried about meaning either.

So, a valiant attempt.

--
Martin Hutton
Don't leave your dad in the rain...Caravan

John Wilkins

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Jun 16, 2005, 12:38:23 AM6/16/05

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Matt Silberstein wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:15:59 +1000, in talk.origins , John Wilkins
> <j.wil...@uq.edu.au> in <d8qqtf$1soj$1...@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>>shane wrote:
>>
>>>John Wilkins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>SDM Technical Constultants wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Boikat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>A waisted mind is a terrible thing.
>
>
> I have no waist and, so, no mind.

Never mind. I take the middle road myself, in all things.

>
>
>>>>>And I think this one was cinched a little too tight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No need to belt him, though.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Attention Ladies and Gentlemen, we seem to be experiencing a mini
>>>puscade, please brace yourselves or you may buckle, thank you.
>>>
>>
>>Or, as Mae West once said, strap yourselves in; we're in for a bumpy ride.
>
>
> I Bette you are wrong.

I knew that, but like I said, I take the Midler road in all things.

>
>
>>But we should harness this energy and stop yoking about.
>
>
> This is making me loopy.

Knot my problem.

>
>
>
>>[puscade? ewww]
>
>
> They are infectious.
>

Should somebody kiss the booboe?

Kleuskes & Moos

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Jun 16, 2005, 7:57:30 AM6/16/05

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John Wilkins schreef:

> Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
> > It reads a mere 9.65 milliHovinds on my irony meter... Nothing
> > that linux can't deal with.
> >
> It's even easier to handle with MacOSX - it's based on Darwin.

<grin>

Yup... They even have a special App for it: iRony.