OT: The Year of Pluto - New Horizons Documentary

[eridanus]

The Year of Pluto - New Horizons Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxwWpaGoJs

Publicado el 12 jun. 2015

New Horizons is the first mission to the Kuiper Belt, a gigantic zone of icy bodies and mysterious small objects orbiting beyond Neptune. This region also is known as the "third" zone of our solar system, beyond the inner rocky planets and outer gas giants. Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Maryland, designed, built and operates the New Horizons spacecraft, and manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Year of Pluto - NASA New Horizons is a one hour documentary which takes on the hard science and gives us answers to how the mission came about and why it matters. Interviews with Dr. James Green, John Spencer, Fran Bagenal, Mark Showalter and others share how New Horizons will answer many questions. New Horizons is part of the New Frontiers Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

[jillery]

Thank you for sharing this link. The video was completed before July
14, 2015, the date of New Horizon's closest approach to Pluto. There
are links to additional video which continue where this video leaves
off.
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This space is intentionally not blank.

[Jonathan]

Only once humanity gets a first close look at another planet.

Remember Voyager, first close look at Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and
Neptune? Or the MER rovers and the surface of Mars? Or Hubble
and deep space?

Now Pluto!

It's like living in the time of the first telescope, we should
never lose our awe in living in such times of discovery.
But we should never forget this also means how little we know
about the universe, and how much is yet to be discovered.

The greatest discoveries are all yet to come imo, and soon.

Never let anyone tell you how things are, we *still* live
in a time when the best advice is to figure it out for
ourselves.

The next generation is almost certain to have a world-view
not even remotely related to the current objective myopia.

I'm sure of it, everything is about to change.

Nature is on the brink of returning to Rule-the-Earth once again.
An evolutionary step every bit as world-changing as intelligence
is about to emerge.

Wisdom!

But such transformational evolutionary steps only happen under
great stress, at the brink of destruction, just when all
seems lost.

Then like magic, a saving grace suddenly evolves.

Not gradual, but all at once.



Jonathan



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[Jonathan]

Thank you for the links! (sarcasm alert)

Here's a nice link from NASA, the video page is nice too.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/images/index.html

[eridanus]

El sábado, 28 de noviembre de 2015, 21:18:39 (UTC), Jonathan escribió:
> On 11/28/2015 2:03 PM, eridanus wrote:
> > The Year of Pluto - New Horizons Documentary
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxwWpaGoJs
> >
> > Publicado el 12 jun. 2015
> >
> > New Horizons is the first mission to the Kuiper Belt, a gigantic zone of icy bodies and mysterious small objects orbiting beyond Neptune. This region also is known as the "third" zone of our solar system, beyond the inner rocky planets and outer gas giants. Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Maryland, designed, built and operates the New Horizons spacecraft, and manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Year of Pluto - NASA New Horizons is a one hour documentary which takes on the hard science and gives us answers to how the mission came about and why it matters. Interviews with Dr. James Green, John Spencer, Fran Bagenal, Mark Showalter and others share how New Horizons will answer many questions. New Horizons is part of the New Frontiers Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
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> Only once humanity gets a first close look at another planet.
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> Remember Voyager, first close look at Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and
> Neptune? Or the MER rovers and the surface of Mars? Or Hubble
> and deep space?
>
> Now Pluto!
>
> It's like living in the time of the first telescope, we should
> never lose our awe in living in such times of discovery.
> But we should never forget this also means how little we know
> about the universe, and how much is yet to be discovered.
>
> The greatest discoveries are all yet to come imo, and soon.
>
> Never let anyone tell you how things are, we *still* live
> in a time when the best advice is to figure it out for
> ourselves.
>
> The next generation is almost certain to have a world-view
> not even remotely related to the current objective myopia.

Do not exaggerate so much, Johnathan. Since I was an adolescent there has
been a lot of talk about a radiant future. There had been some improvements
that is right. But they would be only short steps. We will never transcend
our natural limitations. We will never go very far. There is a serious
challenge awaiting us, excess population and exhaustion of energy. We would
be probably unable to solve both of these problems. To the explosion of
overpopulation it will follow up an implosion and we would come back in time
pretty fast back to our ancestral abilities of hunters with stone age
implements to survive. Summing up, we rose to the high mountains and we will tumble back down to the valley. Jack and Jill went up the hill, to fetch a pail of water, Jack fell down and broke his crown, and Jill came tumbling after.
This will be our story.

eri

[jillery]

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:48:10 -0500, Jonathan <WriteI...@gmail.net>
wrote:

>On 11/28/2015 3:54 PM, jillery wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:03:07 -0800 (PST), eridanus
>> <leopoldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Year of Pluto - New Horizons Documentary
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxwWpaGoJs
>>>
>>> Publicado el 12 jun. 2015
>>>
>>> New Horizons is the first mission to the Kuiper Belt, a gigantic zone of icy bodies and mysterious small objects orbiting beyond Neptune. This region also is known as the "third" zone of our solar system, beyond the inner rocky planets and outer gas giants. Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Maryland, designed, built and operates the New Horizons spacecraft, and manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Year of Pluto - NASA New Horizons is a one hour documentary which takes on the hard science and gives us answers to how the mission came about and why it matters. Interviews with Dr. James Green, John Spencer, Fran Bagenal, Mark Showalter and others share how New Horizons will answer many questions. New Horizons is part of the New Frontiers Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for sharing this link. The video was completed before July
>> 14, 2015, the date of New Horizon's closest approach to Pluto. There
>> are links to additional video which continue where this video leaves
>> off.
>
>
>
>
>Thank you for the links! (sarcasm alert)

You have no reason to be sarcastic here. Apparently you can't help
yourself.

[Jonathan]

World poverty has plummeted in the last 25 years while
the population has soared by some 2 billion in the same
period, while rate of population increase has been
cut almost /in half/ in the same time period, all
very positive and entirely unexpected trends.

Total Population of the World by Decade, 1950–2050
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762181.html


Global Poverty Drops Sharply, With China Making Big Strides, U.N.

In releasing the report, United Nations officials celebrated
meeting some of the goals. For instance, one of the targets
was to halve the share of the world’s population living in
extreme poverty by 2015, but the actual decline was steeper:

14 percent of people in the developing world are extremely
poor now, compared with 47 percent in 1990.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/world/asia/global-poverty-drops-sharply-with-china-making-big-strides-un-report-says.html




> and exhaustion of energy.



Oil prices have gone from $110 to $45 in the last
two years from worldwide oil glut.
http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil-brent.aspx?timeframe=2y

> We would
> be probably unable to solve both of these problems. To the explosion of
> overpopulation it will follow up an implosion and we would come back in time
> pretty fast back to our ancestral abilities of hunters with stone age
> implements to survive. Summing up, we rose to the high mountains and we will tumble back down to the valley. Jack and Jill went up the hill, to fetch a pail of water, Jack fell down and broke his crown, and Jill came tumbling after.
> This will be our story.
>

Just when all seems lost, when the 'last war' appears just a shot away
that's when Nature will step in and move humanity to the next level.
When stressed to the tipping point, that's when the big and sudden
evolutionary steps happen, like an earthquake.


http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/11/28/turkey-massing-heavy-arms-on-syrian-border/

http://rushincrash.com/world/the-syrian-army-has-reported-shelling-from-turkey/


Besides, the future is wide open, it can be whatever we choose
to make it, if enough people believe such a bright future
is possible, it can happen.

If enough people just 'click their heels together' almost
any wish can come true. There is no such thing as an
objective reality.

[eridanus]

> Total Population of the World by Decade, 1950-2050

There is not any objective reality, just wishful thinking realities.
We have a future full of oil for it has lowered its price in four of five
years.
We have not any need to worry about overpopulation for just we had achieved
so far all the population growth of the past 70 years. I was 10 or 12 years
old and my school book said, the planet has 2.5 billion people.
Then, because of our recent past, using a lot of machines we had been able
to increase a lot the productivity of agriculture. When I was a kid, thousand
of migrant workers were going from a province to other, harvesting the wheat
with hand tools, mostly sickles. But when I was an adolescent, harvester
machines were making manual workers redundant. This reduced the price of wheat
and people started to get better fed. Then, there was a miracle to explain
the growth of population of the last 70 years. But it was not the miracle of
7 loaves and two fishes that fed 5,000 people, not counting women and children.
It was the miracle of many machines burning oil to harvest wheat. Another
miracle was the import of nitrogen to fertilize the lands, and another miracle
were the lorry to transport the wheat to the cities and many parts that do
not produced wheat.
There had been more miracles that I cannot recall in this moment. Then, the
problem is not the actual price of oil, for this can change seriously in
some 10 years or more.
Not so long ago, I watched a video in which the minister of energy of Saudi
Arabia was asked by a journalist, how it is that the oil is so dear? And
the minister said, "Ask to the Americans. We are selling the oil here in Ras Tanura we are billing the oil at 50 dollars a barrel, to know why it is
re-sold later at 150 USD in the US, you must ask the US minister of Energy.

There must exist some miraculous fancy, that makes the price of oil cost 150 dollars, or just 50 dollars, or less, just in case. The lower price is
to ruin the economy of Venezuela, and Russia that do not surrender to the
Global Trade or the WT Bank of Commerce. And as those two nations have a
crude that is too thick and requires the injection of a lot of energy to
pump this oil out, they must surrender or get ruined. Once those two
nations would surrender to the World Order, oil prices would become normal
again rising to 150 dollars or perhaps 200. This will be the ideal price
in a near future, but not now.
The question is do we believe in miracles? If we believe in miracles,
we do not need to worry in the least. But if we are unbelievers we should
have a rational concern with the future of oil and population of this
planet.

The leaders of Easter island were believers of miracles, and they do not
stopped population growth when they had enough time to stop.

The Vikings of "Greenland" were trying to have a civilization like
they were living in the south of Norway. But they were not counting that
the weather could turn suddenly nasty and they would perish of famine.
They had resorted to cannibalism, but it was too late so save their
lives.
Most people sort of believe in miracles. I do not. Then, I have concerns
with the exhaustion of oil, so so much with coal. But as soon as oil would
be almost exhausted... coal would start to replace the missing oil.
The case is not so simply. We must consider that some nations would start
a global war some decades before, to secure the last oil wells before they
are totally dry. We can imagine a total crash of the stock exchange, or
the whole collapse of the financial Ponzi scheme.

Some people have some reasons to be concerned, for do not believe in miracles.

eri

[Gomer Pyle USMC]

You don't believe in miracles?

What do you call being alive?
Being aware? Every thought?
What do you call the Universe
and the Earth if not miracles?

But why limit ourselves to mere
miracles when the future could
become even more. I can't even
think of a word for that, 'miracle'
just doesn't do it justice.



Jonathan



"Behind Me -- dips Eternity
Before Me -- Immortality
Myself -- the Term between
Death but the Drift of Eastern Gray,
Dissolving into Dawn away,
Before the West begin

'Tis Miracle before Me then
'Tis Miracle behind -- between
A Crescent in the Sea
With Midnight to the North of Her
And Midnight to the South of Her
And Maelstrom -- in the Sky"




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[eridanus]

Oh, dear Johnathan.
We need some common definition of miracle. Miracle according to most tales
are happenstances that occur very rarely. Like by example fishes falling
in the rain with a tornado. Other miracle was perhaps the Extinction of
dinosaurs with Deccan traps, other miracle could had been the extinction of
late Permian-Triassic. A miracle could be the big bang, or a sudden burst
of energy from some nearby supernova that could sterilize this planet.
Then, a miracle could be that this civilization would survive the exhaustion
of oil in spite of all the merits we have against.
In this sense, the next glacial age not occurring in the next five thousand
years could be a sort of miracle. For if past ice records of the Antarctica
means something is that is going to come a new glacial age. But it can
occur the opposite. An extraordinary global warming that could provoke a
new extinction, like mining to extract methane, to be used as energy. A
stupid accident can produce a huge bust of methane to the atmosphere, and
we would die of a super-heating accidental miracle.
A miracle, letting aside false testimonies, is something very unlikely to
happen. I suppose, Okimoto can correct me, most of the eras since the last
500 billion years, had existed some abundant form of life. But in a few
short periods had been periods of extinction. These must be considered
miracles, for they were the exception to the rule. If tomorrow an giant
meteorite crashes on the earth and kills most living beings, this is a
miracle; even if a negative miracle (Negative in the sense of not being
undesirable for humans)

If most planets of the universe are barren, as it looks, then life is mostly
a sort or miracle that only occurs in some few planets among millions.
While a lifeless universe looks more like a general rule of thumb.
Other definition of miracle is something very unlikely but desired. These
would be positive miracles, that can be rather rare. While negative
miracles can be more common. Negative miracles must be rare events we do
not want to occur: like the next thermo-nuclear war by example. I think
a thermo-nuclear war is possible but unlikely. Or at least it is my hope,
I mean the unlikeness of an atomic war.

But a future humanity going back to stone age hunting looks the most
natural outcome, unless I would be very wrong. It is also very natural
that a new glacial age is awaiting us in the next corner, a few thousand
years into the future. Or perhaps it can arrive in a few centuries.

All these are miracles awaiting to happen.

Eri



Eri