Re: The United States Declaration of Independence

[Mike Dworetsky]

trol...@go.com wrote:
> Clearly the founding fathers ordered that creationism
> be taught in public schools. This can be plainly read
> in the second sentence of the U.S. Declaration of
> Independence.
>
> 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
> men are created ... that they are endowed by their
> Creator ... .'
>
> This clearly shows that the teaching of evolution is
> contrary to law and the founding documents of the
> land.
>
> No deist or pantheistic sophistry can wheedle out
> of this plain and simple argument.


A quote-mining troll is still a troll. The important parts of the
Declaration were in the ellipses, not in the "created" words. Maybe if you
go look up these parts, and give the quote in full, you will gain some
enlightment.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

[Chris Thompson]

Probably something the OP wishes to avoid at all costs. But I still call
troll.

Chris

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 20:05:23 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Chris Thompson
<the_th...@earthlink.net>:

Well, the handle should tell us, properly interpreted:

"trolidous"

"trol" is self-explanatory and self-descriptive.

"i" indicates the usual narcissism.

"dous" is a misspelling of "douche", said misspelling
probably due to the perp having been weaned on Tweeter.

See? ;-)
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[VoiceOfReason]

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:41:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> trol...@go.com wrote:
> > Clearly the founding fathers ordered that creationism
> > be taught in public schools. This can be plainly read
> > in the second sentence of the U.S. Declaration of
> > Independence.

The Declaration of Independence didn't form the United States. It only declared independence from Britain. The document that DID form the US government, the Constitution, very clearly separated church and state.

> > 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
> > men are created ... that they are endowed by their
> > Creator ... .'
> >
> > This clearly shows that the teaching of evolution is
> > contrary to law and the founding documents of the
> > land.
> >
> > No deist or pantheistic sophistry can wheedle out
> > of this plain and simple argument.
>
>
> A quote-mining troll is still a troll. The important parts of the
> Declaration were in the ellipses, not in the "created" words. Maybe if you
> go look up these parts, and give the quote in full, you will gain some
> enlightment.
>

Indeed.

[Mike Dworetsky]

VoiceOfReason wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:41:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>> trol...@go.com wrote:
>>> Clearly the founding fathers ordered that creationism
>>> be taught in public schools. This can be plainly read
>>> in the second sentence of the U.S. Declaration of
>>> Independence.
>
> The Declaration of Independence didn't form the United States. It
> only declared independence from Britain. The document that DID form
> the US government, the Constitution, very clearly separated church
> and state.

Initially, the Articles of Confederation formed the framework of the United
States of America, and this was eventually succeeded by the Constitution.
"The style of this confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'"

Although the Confederation's Congress had powers to negotiate treaties and
declare war, it had few other real powers and the states remained sovereign.
One of the articles left open an invitation for British-held Quebec to join.
I wonder how history might have been different if they had taken up the
invitation?

>
>>> 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
>>> men are created ... that they are endowed by their
>>> Creator ... .'
>>>
>>> This clearly shows that the teaching of evolution is
>>> contrary to law and the founding documents of the
>>> land.
>>>
>>> No deist or pantheistic sophistry can wheedle out
>>> of this plain and simple argument.
>>
>>
>> A quote-mining troll is still a troll. The important parts of the
>> Declaration were in the ellipses, not in the "created" words. Maybe
>> if you go look up these parts, and give the quote in full, you will
>> gain some enlightment.
>>
>
> Indeed.

[VoiceOfReason]

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:51:12 AM UTC-4, Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> VoiceOfReason wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:41:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> >> trol...@go.com wrote:
> >>> Clearly the founding fathers ordered that creationism
> >>> be taught in public schools. This can be plainly read
> >>> in the second sentence of the U.S. Declaration of
> >>> Independence.
> >
> > The Declaration of Independence didn't form the United States. It
> > only declared independence from Britain. The document that DID form
> > the US government, the Constitution, very clearly separated church
> > and state.
>
> Initially, the Articles of Confederation formed the framework of the United
> States of America, and this was eventually succeeded by the Constitution.
> "The style of this confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'"
>
> Although the Confederation's Congress had powers to negotiate treaties and
> declare war, it had few other real powers and the states remained sovereign.
> One of the articles left open an invitation for British-held Quebec to join.
> I wonder how history might have been different if they had taken up the
> invitation?

Sacre bleu! ;-)

[Bob Casanova]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:50:14 +0100, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by "Mike Dworetsky"
<plati...@pants.btinternet.com>:

>VoiceOfReason wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:41:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Dworetsky wrote:
>>> trol...@go.com wrote:
>>>> Clearly the founding fathers ordered that creationism
>>>> be taught in public schools. This can be plainly read
>>>> in the second sentence of the U.S. Declaration of
>>>> Independence.
>>
>> The Declaration of Independence didn't form the United States. It
>> only declared independence from Britain. The document that DID form
>> the US government, the Constitution, very clearly separated church
>> and state.
>
>Initially, the Articles of Confederation formed the framework of the United
>States of America, and this was eventually succeeded by the Constitution.
>"The style of this confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'"
>
>Although the Confederation's Congress had powers to negotiate treaties and
>declare war, it had few other real powers and the states remained sovereign.
>One of the articles left open an invitation for British-held Quebec to join.
>I wonder how history might have been different if they had taken up the
>invitation?

We'd now have to deal with Quebecois separatists in addition
to Aztlan separatists?

>>>> 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
>>>> men are created ... that they are endowed by their
>>>> Creator ... .'
>>>>
>>>> This clearly shows that the teaching of evolution is
>>>> contrary to law and the founding documents of the
>>>> land.
>>>>
>>>> No deist or pantheistic sophistry can wheedle out
>>>> of this plain and simple argument.
>>>
>>>
>>> A quote-mining troll is still a troll. The important parts of the
>>> Declaration were in the ellipses, not in the "created" words. Maybe
>>> if you go look up these parts, and give the quote in full, you will
>>> gain some enlightment.
>>>
>>
>> Indeed.
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