OT: Why is there a West Virginia but no East Virginia?
UC
North Dakota, South Dakota
So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
I demand to know WHY!!!!
Greg G.
Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia.
--
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Perplexed in Peoria
"UC" <uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
but no Old Mexico.
Are you perhaps probing the boundaries of DIG's tolerance for Ed-Conrad
style behaviors? You are definitely succeeding in probing mine.
Mike Dworetsky
news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Look up the history of West Virginia. It was originally part of Virginia
but chose to secede during the Civil War. The main reason was that the
territory west of the Alleghenies was predominantly populated by those with
historic antislavery sentiment. West Vriginia was admitted to the Union in
1863.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_virginia#Separation_from_Virginia
That's why.
You been at the silly-question juice again?
More importantly, why do they pronounce the final "s" in Kansas but not in
Arkansas?
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snex
why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?
Frank J
(start Jane Curtin voice)
Ask them in Norfolk. That's N-O-R-F-O-L-K, Norfolk.
(end Jane Curtin voice)
Ferrous Patella
So you are ignorant of U.S. History as well? This in usually taught in
elementary school.
--
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Augray
wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
:
It is a matter of OPINION whether West Virginia should be called a
'state', and it is by no means uncontroversial. You have to
distinguish between encyclopoedic information and lexical.
Whether West Virginia a 'state' is an encyclopoedic matter, not a
lexical one. But the word 'state' has no 'real' meaning, and the
politicians who claimed it was a state are wrong. The atlases are just
reporting the usage.
But the PREVAILING usage is what matters. If 99.99% of the
English-speaking community understand "West Virginia" to mean "a
state", that's what it is, and YOU have nothing to say about it! On
the other hand, vernacular usage is entirely unrestricted or
ungoverned. Whatever the custom is, that is what it is. there is no
'arguing' that such-and-such a custom is 'wrong'. Who are you tell
anyone that his customs are wrong? It's nonsensical. They are what
they are. Period.
You have to take into consideration the word's history. It has NEVER
been considered possible to refer to West Virginia as a 'state' except
as metaphorical or derogatorily, and thus never administratively. You
cannot overturn that under any circumstances. There are, however,
'core' meanings that are very resistant to change. The 'core' of
'state' is a concept of a sort of political ideal, something decidely
non-natural; the word is not a reference to a geographical entity. It
is an 'informal' term. 'Informal terms are not subject to political
revision, as they are governed entirely by common usage.
Whether Virginia is a 'state' is not a matter of lexis (meaning) but
of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
There is NO USAGE issue for "West Virginia". It is merely a name, and
is essentially meaningless.
Will in New Haven
East Virginia would be out in the Atlantic OCEAN, you loon.
Will in New Haven
--
Men are apes.
skyeyes
wrote:
> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
> but no Old Mexico.
But there *is* an Old Mexico. It's below the states. I live 60 miles
north of it.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
Alan Morgan
Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>More importantly, why do they pronounce the final "s" in Kansas but not in
>Arkansas?
The words are completely unrelated, that's why (and I think it was spelled
that way because they didn't fix the pronunciation until later).
Don't get me started on Arkansas City, Kansas. Actually, it's probably
safe to get me started on it because all I have to say is that it's
pronounced Ar-kansas. Whatever, guys.
Alan
--
Defendit numerus
John Bode
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in <uranium-1184363057.437809.59...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
> :
>
> >North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> >North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> >So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> >I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> It is a matter of OPINION whether West Virginia should be called a
> 'state', and it is by no means uncontroversial. You have to
> distinguish between encyclopoedic information and lexical.
> Whether West Virginia a 'state' is an encyclopoedic matter, not a
> lexical one. But the word 'state' has no 'real' meaning, and the
> politicians who claimed it was a state are wrong. The atlases are just
> reporting the usage.
>
[snip]
>
> There is NO USAGE issue for "West Virginia". It is merely a name, and
> is essentially meaningless.
I bow in reverence.
Timberwoof
> "UC" <uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> > North Carolina, South Carolina
> >
> > North Dakota, South Dakota
> >
> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
> >
> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
> >
>
> Look up the history of West Virginia. It was originally part of Virginia
> but chose to secede during the Civil War. The main reason was that the
> territory west of the Alleghenies was predominantly populated by those with
> historic antislavery sentiment. West Vriginia was admitted to the Union in
> 1863.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_virginia#Separation_from_Virginia
>
> That's why.
Pish tosh.
The reason is that Virginians say "Soda" and West Verginians say "Pop".
(Just as it's clear that the Carolinas split as they did because North
Carolinans say Soda while South Carolinans say "Coke". And the
Soda-saying weirdoes of Colorado Springs should leave Colorado to the
Pop-sayers. So da.
http://popvssoda.com:2998/countystats/total-county.html
BTW, in some parts of the US, the following conversation makes perfect
sense:
Billy: "Wanna coke?"
Steve: "Yeah."
Billy: "What kind?"
Steve: "Pepsi."
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Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
Language Authority for effect), but it's too long for a Chez
Watt and too good to lose.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Perplexed in Peoria
"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in message news:4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
> I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
> relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
> Language Authority for effect), but it's too long for a Chez
> Watt and too good to lose.
[snip excellent parody of UC]
Yeah. By the rules for Chez Watt, it is too long.
Hey! Wait a second ...
r norman
The rules provide for a special elongated Chezzzz Wattttttt
Richard Clayton
Because West Virginia seceded from the state of Virginia when it became
apparent to anybody with more brains than arrogance that the South was
about to get pounded into the pavement. Naming the state "North
Virginia" would have been too polarizing, however.
What has this to do with origins?
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." — Optimus Prime
mev...@gcfn.org
As a WV native I have always been of the opinion that there is an East
Virginia. The true state of Virginia is incorrectly called West
Virginia. It was populated by folks who did not want to try and leave
the Union. The rebel infested eastern part of Virginia should have
been correctly labeled East Virginia leaving the wonderful mountains
the true Virginia.
Mark Evans
rwa...@despammed.com
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
snip
> There is NO USAGE issue for "West Virginia". It is merely a name, and
> is essentially meaningless.
You're an idiot.
Augray
<1184383831.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> :
<homer>
Woo-hoo!
<\homer>
Inez
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 5:44 pm, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> East Virginia would be out in the Atlantic OCEAN, you loon.
>
SortingItOut
wrote:
> In article <56OdnbWI_44gawrbnZ2dnUVZ8tqin...@bt.com>,
> "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> > > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> > > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> > > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> > > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> > Look up the history of West Virginia. It was originally part of Virginia
> > but chose to secede during the Civil War. The main reason was that the
> > territory west of the Alleghenies was predominantly populated by those with
> > historic antislavery sentiment. West Vriginia was admitted to the Union in
> > 1863.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_virginia#Separation_from_Virginia
>
> > That's why.
>
> Pish tosh.
>
> The reason is that Virginians say "Soda" and West Verginians say "Pop".
> (Just as it's clear that the Carolinas split as they did because North
> Carolinans say Soda while South Carolinans say "Coke". And the
> Soda-saying weirdoes of Colorado Springs should leave Colorado to the
>
> BTW, in some parts of the US, the following conversation makes perfect
> sense:
> Billy: "Wanna coke?"
> Steve: "Yeah."
> Billy: "What kind?"
> Steve: "Pepsi."
Dallas, TX, for one. This conversation could have come right out of
my childhood.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> emptying chamber pots in your direction." 気hris L.
Timberwoof
Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
> >Whether Virginia is a 'state' is not a matter of lexis (meaning) but
> >of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
> >hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
> >guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
> >murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
> >meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
> >like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
I guess I understand the reason for the length restriction for Chez Watt
now: I skipped over this bit the first time.
Anyway, since West Virginia is not really a state, can UC go before a
judge in a trial in West Virginia and say he does not accept the state's
definition of statehood?
Timberwoof
mev...@gcfn.org wrote:
For the record, East Tennessee was that --> <-- close to seceding from
Tennessee and rejoining the Union, and it's got the same mountains. :)
Timberwoof
amo...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Morgan) wrote:
> In article <56OdnbWI_44gawrb...@bt.com>,
> Mike Dworetsky <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >More importantly, why do they pronounce the final "s" in Kansas but not in
> >Arkansas?
>
> The words are completely unrelated, that's why (and I think it was spelled
> that way because they didn't fix the pronunciation until later).
>
> Don't get me started on Arkansas City, Kansas.
Who got the bright idea of putting Kansas City in Missouri?
Who called that oversized truck stop on the border of Texas and Arkansas
"Texarkana"?
> Actually, it's probably
> safe to get me started on it because all I have to say is that it's
> pronounced Ar-kansas. Whatever, guys.
Ar-kansas as in Our Kansas?
Ash
> "UC" <uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
> but no Old Mexico.
>
Is there a Virginia somewhere?
richardal...@googlemail.com
> In article <56OdnbWI_44gawrbnZ2dnUVZ8tqin...@bt.com>,
>
> >More importantly, why do they pronounce the final "s" in Kansas but not in
> >Arkansas?
>
> The words are completely unrelated, that's why (and I think it was spelled
> that way because they didn't fix the pronunciation until later).
>
> Don't get me started on Arkansas City, Kansas. Actually, it's probably
> safe to get me started on it because all I have to say is that it's
> pronounced Ar-kansas. Whatever, guys.
>
> Alan
> --
> Defendit numerus
Mind you, asking a German speaker to read "Loughborough" (or even an
American for that matter) can be the source of much amusement.
RF
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <1184404691.1...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
Shesh. That's easy. How about 'Magdalene'...
I'll get me coat.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <1184383831.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
And the expert angler has caught yet another Large-Mouthed Bass.
chris.li...@gmail.com
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:05:32 GMT, "Perplexed in Peoria"
>
>
>
>
> >"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in messagenews:4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
> >> in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
> >> I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
> >> relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
> >> Language Authority for effect), but it's too long for a Chez
> >> Watt and too good to lose.
>
> >[snip excellent parody of UC]
>
> >Yeah. By the rules for Chez Watt, it is too long.
>
> >Hey! Wait a second ...
>
> The rules provide for a special elongated Chezzzz Wattttttt
Haven't you heard? That rule was deleted to save space for the longer
Chez Watts!
Chris
chris.li...@gmail.com
Whoa! Better strap into the fighting chair, you hooked a big one!
Chris
Ye Old One
No need to get maudlin about things.
--
Bob.
Ernest Major
J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> writes
Leicester, Worcester, Alcester, Bicester, ...
--
alias Ernest Major
Tiny Bulcher
>> North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia.
Tiny Bulcher
Ah, so you were the wise Virginians, and they were the foolish
Virginians.
Tiny Bulcher
> Leicester, Worcester, Alcester, Bicester, ...
.... and all stations for Cirencester, Bacup, Blackley, Machynlleth,
Steornobhaigh, Berwick, Milngavie, Baile Atha Cliath and
Throatwobbler-Mangrove.
* - Pontefract is usually pronounced as spelt these days. Boring
bastards.
Augray
<try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote in
<0001HW.C2BE2143...@newsgroups.comcast.net> :
Me, an expert angler? I just posted something that I thought would be
an amusing parody, and it never occurred to me that someone might take
it seriously. But considering that I combined snippets of UC's past
claims, and changed very little, it shouldn't surprise me that someone
though it was legitimate. For all I know, UC might agree with it.
Augray
wrote in <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com> :
>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
>I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
>relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
>Language Authority for effect),
I really think that POTM material should be a bit more serious. While
I'm flattered by the nomination, I don't think that anyone should vote
for it.
>but it's too long for a Chez
>Watt and too good to lose.
I've seen longer Chez Watts. Hence, in what is probably a first, and
with Bob's wish that it not be lost in mind, I'm going to nominate
myself for a Chez Watt. The legal precedence of the judges decision
whether or not to accept a self-nomination will no doubt have
far-reaching consequences.
Ye Old One
And of course Gloucester where I be from :)
--
Bob.
dkomo
> "UC" <uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>>North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>>North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>>So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>>I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
>
> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
> but no Old Mexico.
>
> Are you perhaps probing the boundaries of DIG's tolerance for Ed-Conrad
> style behaviors? You are definitely succeeding in probing mine.
>
I think UC is demonstrating that any post, no matter how inane, will
start a thread on t.o. In fact, the more inane the post, the more
likely it is to start a thread, and the longer that thread will be.
Especially popular are one liners from complete twits -- for example a
ten word sentence where five of the words are misspelled, and the
sentence has virtually no content.
If this is annoying, don't blame the OP. Blame those replying to him.
Will in New Haven
wrote:
> UC wrote:
> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> Because West Virginia seceded from the state of Virginia when it became
> apparent to anybody with more brains than arrogance that the South was
> about to get pounded into the pavement. Naming the state "North
> Virginia" would have been too polarizing, however.
That's innacarate. The western counties were totally out of sympathy
with sessession from the very first and declared fro the Union long
before it became apparant Lincoln would ever get a general who could
find his ass with both hands. They were geographically accessible to
Federal forces, so they were able to do what eastern Tennessee would
have liked to do and opt out of the Confederacy and, eventually, their
state. There was also a county in northern Alabama with the same
sympathies, the Free State of Winston, but nothing could possibly come
of it because it was isolated and small.
> What has this to do with origins?
It doesn't. I was just sayin'
Will in New Haven
--
"Have faith in the Yankees my son and remember the great Dimaggio."
Ernest Hemingway, THE OLD MAN AND THE SEA
> [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
> Richard Clayton
> "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." - Optimus Prime
Will in New Haven
They livie in South Haven, CT. Which is in the harbor.
Timberwoof
Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:53:22 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
> wrote in <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com> :
>
> >On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
> >in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
> >
Seconded because of content and despite length.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof
"Tiny Bulcher" <alyc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> þus cwæð mev...@gcfn.org :
Ah, so we have a variation on the No True Scotsman argument, the Foolish
Virginians argument.
Tiny Bulcher
> In article <J8ydnQ3mSZYEJQXb...@bt.com>,
> "Tiny Bulcher" <alyc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> þus cwæð mev...@gcfn.org :
>>> On Jul 13, 7:36 pm, Will in New Haven
>>> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 5:44 pm, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> North Carolina, South Carolina
>>>>
>>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota
>>>>
>>>>> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>>>
>>>>> I demand to know WHY!!!!
>>>>
>>>> East Virginia would be out in the Atlantic OCEAN, you loon.
>>>>
>>>> Will in New Haven
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Men are apes.
>>>
>>> As a WV native I have always been of the opinion that there is an
>>> East Virginia. The true state of Virginia is incorrectly called
>>> West Virginia. It was populated by folks who did not want to try
>>> and leave the Union. The rebel infested eastern part of Virginia
>>> should have been correctly labeled East Virginia leaving the
>>> wonderful mountains the true Virginia.
>>
>> Ah, so you were the wise Virginians, and they were the foolish
>> Virginians.
>
> Ah, so we have a variation on the No True Scotsman argument, the
> Foolish Virginians argument.
Somebody from Maryland will probably tell us there's no other kind.
UC
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> but chose to secede during the Civil War. The main reason was that the
> territory west of the Alleghenies was predominantly populated by those with
> historic antislavery sentiment. West Vriginia was admitted to the Union in
> 1863.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_virginia#Separation_from_Virginia
>
> That's why.
>
>
> More importantly, why do they pronounce the final "s" in Kansas but not in
> Arkansas?
>
> Mike Dworetsky
>
> (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
I did look it up. I wonder why they did not re-join as one state after
the Civil War.
UC
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in <uranium-1184363057.437809.59...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
> :
>
> >North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> >North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> >So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> >I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
Well done, I must say.
UC
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, it was intended as a parody and I cannot believe so many replied
to it as if I were serial!
Geoff
> I really think that POTM material should be a bit more serious. While
> I'm flattered by the nomination, I don't think that anyone should vote
> for it.
He doth protest too much, methinks. ;-)
wf...@comcast.net
>On Jul 13, 4:44 pm, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
>why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?
cargo goes by ship...shipment goes by car...
interstate roadways in hawaii....
Mark Isaak
> North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> I demand to know WHY!!!!
It got destroyed when Rhode Island joined with the mainland.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
Mark Isaak
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
> I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
> relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
> Language Authority for effect), but it's too long for a Chez
> Watt and too good to lose.
There have been long Chez Watts before (not that any of them have ever
won), so I'll nominate it for that, too.
>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> :
>>
>>>North Carolina, South Carolina
>>>
>>>North Dakota, South Dakota
>>>
>>>So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>>
>>>I demand to know WHY!!!!
>>
--
Mike Dworetsky
> On Jul 13, 6:03 pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
> <platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
snip
>
> I did look it up. I wonder why they did not re-join as one state after
> the Civil War.
>
Did you ever study "Reconstruction" in history class? Citizens of the
South who were active participants in rebellion were disenfranchised. Seems
to me a good reason not to go for reunification. Virginia was going to be
ruled from outside for a while.
macaddicted
Because it would have destroyed to possibility for the Robert Byrd (fill
in federally funded road/institute/etc. here).
--
macaddicted
fides quaerens intellectum
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
<timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>In article <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com>,
> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
Attribution problem; this parody of UC was posted by Augray
<aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>> >Whether Virginia is a 'state' is not a matter of lexis (meaning) but
>> >of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
>> >hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
>> >guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
>> >murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
>> >meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
>> >like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
>I guess I understand the reason for the length restriction for Chez Watt
>now: I skipped over this bit the first time.
>
>Anyway, since West Virginia is not really a state, can UC go before a
>judge in a trial in West Virginia and say he does not accept the state's
>definition of statehood?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:53:22 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote in <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com> :
>
>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
>>in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>>
>>I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
>>relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
>>Language Authority for effect),
>
>I really think that POTM material should be a bit more serious. While
>I'm flattered by the nomination, I don't think that anyone should vote
>for it.
>
>
>>but it's too long for a Chez
>>Watt and too good to lose.
>
>I've seen longer Chez Watts. Hence, in what is probably a first, and
>with Bob's wish that it not be lost in mind, I'm going to nominate
>myself for a Chez Watt. The legal precedence of the judges decision
>whether or not to accept a self-nomination will no doubt have
>far-reaching consequences.
Your wish doth show itself quite persuasive. Chez Watt then
be it.
(But I still think Chez Watts work better if short; it's
hard to generate a double-take from a novelette.)
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>:
>On Jul 14, 9:54 am, dkomo <dkomo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Perplexed in Peoria wrote:
>> > "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> >>North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> >>So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> >>I demand to know WHY!!!!
>>
>> > Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
>> > but no Old Mexico.
>>
>> > Are you perhaps probing the boundaries of DIG's tolerance for Ed-Conrad
>> > style behaviors? You are definitely succeeding in probing mine.
>>
>> I think UC is demonstrating that any post, no matter how inane, will
>> start a thread on t.o. In fact, the more inane the post, the more
>> likely it is to start a thread, and the longer that thread will be.
>> Especially popular are one liners from complete twits -- for example a
>> ten word sentence where five of the words are misspelled, and the
>> sentence has virtually no content.
>>
>> If this is annoying, don't blame the OP. Blame those replying to him.
>Yes, it was intended as a parody and I cannot believe so many replied
>to it as if I were serial!
That's because you are serial: a Froot Loop.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by skyeyes <sky...@dakotacom.net>:
>On Jul 13, 3:03 pm, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@sbcglobal.net>
>wrote:
>> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>>
>> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
>> but no Old Mexico.
>
>But there *is* an Old Mexico. It's below the states. I live 60 miles
>north of it.
I live a bit further; maybe 150 miles. But it isn't "Old
Mexico", it's just "Mexico". Sort of parallels the
"Virginia-West Virginia" situation, doesn't it? Not to
mention York-New York, Jersey-New Jersey and England-New
England... ;-)
Timberwoof
Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:57:20 -0700, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
> <timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>
> >In article <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com>,
> > Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>
> >>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
> >>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
>
> Attribution problem; this parody of UC was posted by Augray
> <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
My fault. Augray write a very good parody. <: )
> >> >Whether Virginia is a 'state' is not a matter of lexis (meaning) but
> >> >of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
> >> >hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
> >> >guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
> >> >murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
> >> >meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
> >> >like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
>
> >I guess I understand the reason for the length restriction for Chez Watt
> >now: I skipped over this bit the first time.
> >
> >Anyway, since West Virginia is not really a state, can UC go before a
> >judge in a trial in West Virginia and say he does not accept the state's
> >definition of statehood?
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." 気hris L.
Josh Hayes
news:1184411640....@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 13, 10:01 pm, r norman <r_s_norman@_comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:05:32 GMT, "Perplexed in Peoria"
>>
>>
>>
>> <jimmene...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Bob Casanova" <nos...@buzz.off> wrote in
>> >messagenews:4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:11:56 -0400, the following appeared
>> >> in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>>
>> >> I don't know if this is really POTM material (since it
>> >> relies heavily on knowledge of t.o's resident Ultimate
>> >> Language Authority for effect), but it's too long for a Chez
>> >> Watt and too good to lose.
>>
>> >[snip excellent parody of UC]
>>
>> >Yeah. By the rules for Chez Watt, it is too long.
>>
>> >Hey! Wait a second ...
>>
>> The rules provide for a special elongated Chezzzz Wattttttt
>
> Haven't you heard? That rule was deleted to save space for the longer
> Chez Watts!
Get it right: It's "Chezs Watt".
Cheez.
-JAH
What?
opal eyed dragon
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:46:37 -0700, the following appeared
Isn't this silly speculation? Why stop there? Why not ask why there's
an East St. Louis and St, Louis, East L.A. and L.A., and so on. . .?
gregwrld
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in <uranium-1184363057.437809.59...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
> :
>
> >North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> >North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> >So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> >I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> 'state', and it is by no means uncontroversial. You have to
> distinguish between encyclopoedic information and lexical.
> Whether West Virginia a 'state' is an encyclopoedic matter, not a
> lexical one. But the word 'state' has no 'real' meaning, and the
> politicians who claimed it was a state are wrong. The atlases are just
> reporting the usage.
>
> But the PREVAILING usage is what matters. If 99.99% of the
> English-speaking community understand "West Virginia" to mean "a
> state", that's what it is, and YOU have nothing to say about it! On
> the other hand, vernacular usage is entirely unrestricted or
> ungoverned. Whatever the custom is, that is what it is. there is no
> 'arguing' that such-and-such a custom is 'wrong'. Who are you tell
> anyone that his customs are wrong? It's nonsensical. They are what
> they are. Period.
>
> You have to take into consideration the word's history. It has NEVER
> been considered possible to refer to West Virginia as a 'state' except
> as metaphorical or derogatorily, and thus never administratively. You
> cannot overturn that under any circumstances. There are, however,
> 'core' meanings that are very resistant to change. The 'core' of
> 'state' is a concept of a sort of political ideal, something decidely
> non-natural; the word is not a reference to a geographical entity. It
> is an 'informal' term. 'Informal terms are not subject to political
> revision, as they are governed entirely by common usage.
>
> of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
> hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
> guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
> murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
> meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
> like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
>
> is essentially meaningless.
Like, totally true, dude. Now excuse me while I eat some bees...
gregwrld
TomS
<1184489143.2...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, opal eyed dragon
stated..."
There is a South Bend, Indiana, but no "Bend, Indiana", no
"North Bend, Indiana", ...
--
---Tom S.
"There was a lot more to magic, as Harry quickly found out, than waving your
wand and saying a few funny words."
JK Rowling, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter VIII, page 133
chris.li...@gmail.com
Not if you find jokes and puns electrifying.
Chris
Kent Paul Dolan
[]
> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
if you could be bothered to use the usual
reference sources, you'd find that
Virginia predated, and included, West
Virginia, but that West Virgina was spun
off in a political compromise to keep
Virginia from being (considered) too
powerful (at the time).
Since "Virgina" already had a name, only
the newly dissevered territory required
a new name; as it was "west" of the bulk
of the original, it became "West Virginia".
Now, how about you learn to chew your own
food, you trolling moron?
Quantum valeat.
xanthian.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <194504639.000...@drn.newsguy.com>):
And South Bend ain't south of much other than frozen arctic tundra, a.k.a
Michigan and Canada.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
UC
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:46:37 -0700, the following appeared
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, the existence of a 'west' implies the existence of an 'east'.
'New' is to distinguish from the original. York, Hamshire, Jesrey, etc.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
<timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>In article <4eni9393fi13vbeo7...@4ax.com>,
> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:57:20 -0700, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
>> <timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>>
>> >In article <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com>,
>> > Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
>> >>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Attribution problem; this parody of UC was posted by Augray
>> <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
>My fault. Augray write a very good parody. <: )
I can't argue with that statement; that's why I nominated it
for POTM.
I think we need yet another category. Augray's post (by his
own claim) isn't POTM material, since that's usually
reserved for serious posts. And I still think it's too long
for a Chez Watt (or even, as someone suggested, a Chezzz
Wattt). Any ideas for a catchy name?
>> >> >Whether Virginia is a 'state' is not a matter of lexis (meaning) but
>> >> >of governmental opinion. You cannot change the meanings of words ad
>> >> >hoc. You cannot go before the judge in a trial and say you are not
>> >> >guilty of murder because you don't accept the State's definition of
>> >> >murder. This is preposterous. "Being a state" is not part of the
>> >> >meaning of "West Virginia" at all. It HAS no meaning. It's a name,
>> >> >like "John Kim", that's all. What does "John Kim" mean?
>>
>> >I guess I understand the reason for the length restriction for Chez Watt
>> >now: I skipped over this bit the first time.
>> >
>> >Anyway, since West Virginia is not really a state, can UC go before a
>> >judge in a trial in West Virginia and say he does not accept the state's
>> >definition of statehood?
--
Bob C.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by opal eyed dragon
<opal.scal...@gmail.com>:
>On Jul 14, 4:55 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:46:37 -0700, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net>:
>> >On Jul 13, 3:03 pm, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> >> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> >> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> >> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>> >> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
>> >> but no Old Mexico.
>> >But there *is* an Old Mexico. It's below the states. I live 60 miles
>> >north of it.
>> I live a bit further; maybe 150 miles. But it isn't "Old
>> Mexico", it's just "Mexico". Sort of parallels the
>> "Virginia-West Virginia" situation, doesn't it? Not to
>> mention York-New York, Jersey-New Jersey and England-New
>> England... ;-)
>Isn't this silly speculation?
Sure is; look who made the OP ("I demand to know WHY!!!!").
> Why stop there? Why not ask why there's
>an East St. Louis and St, Louis, East L.A. and L.A., and so on. . .?
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>:
>On Jul 14, 7:55 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:46:37 -0700, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net>:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jul 13, 3:03 pm, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>>
>> >> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>>
>> >> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>>
>> >> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>>
>> >> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
>> >> but no Old Mexico.
>>
>> >But there *is* an Old Mexico. It's below the states. I live 60 miles
>> >north of it.
>>
>> I live a bit further; maybe 150 miles. But it isn't "Old
>> Mexico", it's just "Mexico". Sort of parallels the
>> "Virginia-West Virginia" situation, doesn't it? Not to
>> mention York-New York, Jersey-New Jersey and England-New
>> England... ;-)
>No, the existence of a 'west' implies the existence of an 'east'.
No, it doesn't; it implies the existence of a corresponding
entity which is east of the "west" one, just as "new"
implies the existence of a corresponding entity which is
older than the "new" one.
>'New' is to distinguish from the original. York, Hamshire, Jesrey, etc.
Augray
wrote in <kn3l931mau1mbrj1u...@4ax.com> :
>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:01:41 -0700, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
><timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>
>>In article <4eni9393fi13vbeo7...@4ax.com>,
>> Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:57:20 -0700, the following appeared
>>> in talk.origins, posted by Timberwoof
>>> <timberw...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>:
>>>
>>> >In article <4f7g93d8acsokb65e...@4ax.com>,
>>> > Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:44:17 -0000, UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>
>>> >>>wrote in <uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Attribution problem; this parody of UC was posted by Augray
>>> <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>>
>>My fault. Augray write a very good parody. <: )
>
>I can't argue with that statement; that's why I nominated it
>for POTM.
>
>I think we need yet another category. Augray's post (by his
>own claim) isn't POTM material, since that's usually
>reserved for serious posts. And I still think it's too long
>for a Chez Watt (or even, as someone suggested, a Chezzz
>Wattt). Any ideas for a catchy name?
Chez Kilowatt?
[snip]
Ymir
Ash <ash.a...@virgin.net> wrote:
> Perplexed in Peoria wrote:
> > "UC" <uraniumc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >> North Carolina, South Carolina
> >>
> >> North Dakota, South Dakota
> >>
> >> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
> >>
> >> I demand to know WHY!!!!
> >
> > Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
> > but no Old Mexico.
> >
>
> Is there a Virginia somewhere?
Yes, but technically it is known as The Commonwealth of Eastern West
Virginia.
--
use rot thirteen to email
ntv...@tznvy.pbz
Michael
news:1184507326.9...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
Its just a lack of intelligence, using the premise then
Ky would be
West West Virginia, Mo would be West west west Virginia,
Ks would
WAY West west west Virginia, Co would be WOW Way West west
west Virginia, Ut would be Freakin WAY West west west
Virginia,
NV would be Further Freakin WAY West west west Virginia
and
Ca would be the Furtherest Wayest West west west Virginia
of
the ALL !!!
Couldn't resist
Mitchell Coffey
> þus cwæð Timberwoof:
>
>
>
> > In article <J8ydnQ3mSZYEJQXbnZ2dnUVZ8qydn...@bt.com>,
> > "Tiny Bulcher" <alycid...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> þus cwæð mev...@gcfn.org :
> >>> On Jul 13, 7:36 pm, Will in New Haven
> >>> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 13, 5:44 pm, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> >>>>> North Dakota, South Dakota
>
>
>
>
> >>>> Will in New Haven
>
> >>>> --
>
> >>>> Men are apes.
>
> >>> As a WV native I have always been of the opinion that there is an
> >>> East Virginia. The true state of Virginia is incorrectly called
> >>> West Virginia. It was populated by folks who did not want to try
> >>> and leave the Union. The rebel infested eastern part of Virginia
> >>> should have been correctly labeled East Virginia leaving the
> >>> wonderful mountains the true Virginia.
>
> >> Ah, so you were the wise Virginians, and they were the foolish
> >> Virginians.
>
> > Ah, so we have a variation on the No True Scotsman argument, the
> > Foolish Virginians argument.
>
> Somebody from Maryland will probably tell us there's no other kind.
I'm from California, but I live in Maryland. I would have said
exactly the above until Virginia, out of the blue, started electing
some of the best damn governors in the country. (My standards are
high: I stand in awe of Maryland's new governor, Martin O'Malley.)
Mitchell Coffey
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:21:28 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote in <kn3l931mau1mbrj1u...@4ax.com> :
<snip>
>>I think we need yet another category. Augray's post (by his
>>own claim) isn't POTM material, since that's usually
>>reserved for serious posts. And I still think it's too long
>>for a Chez Watt (or even, as someone suggested, a Chezzz
>>Wattt). Any ideas for a catchy name?
>Chez Kilowatt?
Ummm...I'll reserve judgement on that one. At first glance,
though, it sounds too close to the little jerk with the
lightning bolts for hair (IIRC) who was the "spokesman" for
the electric utilities - Reddy Kilowatt.
Hey, how about Chez Longue?
chris.li...@gmail.com
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:48:26 -0400, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca>:
>
> >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:21:28 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>
> <snip>
>
> >>I think we need yet another category. Augray's post (by his
> >>own claim) isn't POTM material, since that's usually
> >>reserved for serious posts. And I still think it's too long
> >>for a Chez Watt (or even, as someone suggested, a Chezzz
> >>Wattt). Any ideas for a catchy name?
> >Chez Kilowatt?
>
> Ummm...I'll reserve judgement on that one. At first glance,
> though, it sounds too close to the little jerk with the
> lightning bolts for hair (IIRC) who was the "spokesman" for
> the electric utilities - Reddy Kilowatt.
>
> Hey, how about Chez Longue?
Oh, manse!
Ken Denny
it as West By God Virginia. That got me to wondering if there was a
radio station there that went by the call letters WBGV. So I googled
it and found that sure enough there is a radio station with the call
letters WBGV but it's in Michigan, not WV.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Ken Denny <k...@kendenny.com>:
They just *wish* they were in West Virginia. ;-)
Walter Bushell
Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:31:56 -0700, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by Ken Denny <k...@kendenny.com>:
>
> >Wow. What a thread. Of course folks from West Virginia often refer to
> >it as West By God Virginia. That got me to wondering if there was a
> >radio station there that went by the call letters WBGV. So I googled
> >it and found that sure enough there is a radio station with the call
> >letters WBGV but it's in Michigan, not WV.
>
> They just *wish* they were in West Virginia. ;-)
I hear her voice in the early hours she calls me
Radio reminds me of my home far away
skyeyes
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:46:37 -0700, the following appeared
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jul 13, 3:03 pm, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@sbcglobal.net>
> >wrote:
> >> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:uranium-1184363...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >> > North Carolina, South Carolina
>
> >> > North Dakota, South Dakota
>
> >> > So, we hav West Virginia.....but no East Virginia?
>
> >> > I demand to know WHY!!!!
>
> >> Perhaps for the same reason why there is a New Mexico among the states,
> >> but no Old Mexico.
>
> >But there *is* an Old Mexico. It's below the states. I live 60 miles
> >north of it.
>
> I live a bit further; maybe 150 miles. But it isn't "Old
> Mexico", it's just "Mexico". Sort of parallels the
> "Virginia-West Virginia" situation, doesn't it? Not to
> mention York-New York, Jersey-New Jersey and England-New
> England... ;-)
Yeah, pretty much, I think. Although around here (southern Arizona)
at the turn of the 20th century, it was common to refer to Mexico as
"Old Mexico." However, that might just have been due to the love of
flowery language they had in those days.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
UC
opal eyed dragon
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:45:43 -0000, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by opal eyed dragon
I suppose the argument, on the surface of it, *seems* logical enough
but it is (at best) pointless speculation. I'm definitely not going to
lose sleep over it. The simplest explanation (for Mr. Funny, that is)
is that one was founded after or from the other. I offer also, for
possibly the 5% of the population of this country who did not happen
to visit my *lovely* current city of Las Vegas, the example of La,s
Vegas and *North* Las Vegas. . . I happen to know that North Las Vegas
was founded after Las Vegas. *shaking head over silly questions*
UC
'New' is unlike north, south, east, and west. The states with 'north'
also have a 'south'.
Ernest Major
<uranium-11848500...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, UC
<uraniumc...@yahoo.com> writes
Since there's no reason to privilege states over other geographic
categories ...
Where is Southhumberland? Where is the South Riding? Where is South
Berwick? For that matter where is Norsex? North Georgia? North
Shetlands? West Mount Lowther? Eastmeath? West Anglia? Eastmoreland?
--
alias Ernest Major
Tiny Bulcher
Nah, you can't have that one. Riding = OE Thriding, third part.
> Where is South
> Berwick? For that matter where is Norsex?
There was once a Norrey, counter to Surrey, though.
> North Georgia? North
> Shetlands? West Mount Lowther? Eastmeath? West Anglia?
There were West Angles, and Middle Angles too, but because their country was
the frontline against the Welsh it became known as the Mark (OE,
borderland), latinized as Mercia.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by UC <uraniumc...@yahoo.com>:
No, it isn't. Both indicate relative characteristics of the
entities in question.
> The states with 'north'
>also have a 'south'.
And at least one state with a "West" does not have a
corresponding "East"; you might notice it in the "Subject:"
line. And in how many of the pairs of states with both a
"North" and a "South" were they created at different times,
as is the case with Virginia/West Virginia? And how many
cities in the US follow this same pattern?
Was there some point you wished to make?
Bill Morse
North and South is unlike west and new, which are both unlike east. There
are zippo states which are east anything. There are a number of new states,
with no old states. There is one and only one west state, while there are
two north-south pairs. While we are on this silly subject, there is an
Indiana but no Outdiana, there is a Tennessee but no Ninenessee, there is a
Missouri but no Misterouri, there is a Colorado but no Negro, there is a
Virginia but no - well OK we won't go there.
--
Yours, Bill Morse
UC
If things connected with America are 'Americana', what do you call
things connected with Indiana? 'Indianaana'?