If you are saying that Sillitto, Troncale or Cabrera have stated a ‘framework’ for system health with respect to which one can claim pathologies, then please share it with us.Or are you claiming that a pathology claim does not have to be in the context of a ‘healthy’ system Or what?FWIW, I do not find that “each proponent of a framework appears to believe theirs is the best, and that others should fall in line and use it.”Rather, I have found, at least with Sillitto, Troncale, and Cabrera that each are quite willing to share and rationalize their framework. It is just that I am unaware of any specification of ‘healthy’ system by any of these three.Cheers,Jack RingOn Dec 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Curt McNamara <cur...@gmail.com> wrote:Many members of the systems community have a framework they advance.Each proponent of a framework appears to believe theirs is the best, and that others should fall in line and use it.A few folks work on combining differing system viewpoints, and that makes their work more useful to me. Stilleto, Troncale and Cabrera come to mind.CurtOn Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 12:14 PM Jack Ring <jri...@gmail.com> wrote:In the agenda below will anyone present the criteria for stating what a system is intended to do in the first place? For example, the necessary, sufficient and efficient attributes of a system that is Fit For Purpose?If not, then pathology of what? How will the various ideas about pathology (ways a system fails to accomplish acceptable behavior), e,g,,be justified or examined for fallibility?Also, given that systems happen via a system generation chain, e,g,,S0 = Operational SoSS1 = Deployed SystemS2 = Sociotechnical system that produces one or more instances of S1.S3 = Sociotechnical System that Generates Recipe for (model of) S1US2S4 = Social SystemThat Enables S3will the pathologies described be related to these respective stages of generation or applicable to all or what?If this session would appreciate a candidate example of 'Fit For Purpose’ applicable to each of the above, I will be happy to provide one — in advance to foster dialog.Else, wishing you a productive session.Jack RingToo many of us do what we know how to do instead of what must be done.On Dec 29, 2016, at 8:32 AM, James Martin <mart...@gmail.com> wrote:The Systems Pathology project will be conducting sessions during the INCOSE Workshop on the afternoon of Sat, Jan 28th. To register, go here: http://www.incose.org/IW2017/homeWe will cover at least nine different views or perspectives or approaches of Systems Pathology for Systems Engineers as well as initiate a professional society and its products and conferences for future development of Systems Pathology.
- 1530-1545 Troncale (will present a summary of the SPT-based, top-down Systems Pathology work of SSWG; note its similarities and differences from NSWG work; summarize the SysPath related work of Miller, Swanson, Odum, Schindel, Gall)
- 1545-1600 McNamara will design and plan the follow-up activity esp. of the NSWG
- 1600-1615 Kerschmann (will present
- 1615-1630 Activity-Discussion
- 1630-1645 Davidz (will present her graduate student work on SE-related Systems Pathology, her detection of patterns in SE project failures, & describe interest of the next generation of SE’s in SysPath)
- 1645-1700 Activity-Discussion
- 1700-1715 Katina (will present his graduate student work on systems applied to complex systems, with a focus on critical infrastructure, risk, & vulnerability, as well as describe interest of the next generation of SE’s in SysPath)
- 1715-1730 Activity-Discussion
- 1730-1745 Troncale ((will present a “manifesto” for top-down Systems Pathology; announce specifics of initiation of an Int’l Society for Systems Pathology (ISSP); enroll Founding Members; describe the next year of ISSP Products and Activities))
- 1745-1800 Sign-ups and planning of 2017 ISSP activities
We hope to you see you there.Regards,Len TroncaleSome Short Bio Notes: Some of the presenters may be unknown to you receiving this email. So I have summarized biographies below.Dr. Russell Kerschmann is an M.D. from N.A.S.A. Ames Research Center (ret.) and a Subject Matter Expert for the N.A.S.A. Engineering and Safety Center. He has presented a Webinar for NSWG on “How Living Things Fail, and Why It Should Matter to Engineers,” available on the NSWG website and which we regard as closely related to the umbrella of Systems Pathology. His focus is on medical (anatomic/clinical) pathology. Although an UG EE, he does not consider himself an SE but thinks the systems perspective would be a help to failure analysis.Dr. Heidi L. Davidz is a Systems Engineer for Aerojet Rocketdyne in West Palm Beach, Fl. Previously she was Discipline Lead in Systems Engineering at UTC Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne. Her Ph.D. education was at MIT (BS in Mechanical; MS in Aerospace). She has witnessed and documented patterns of failure in SE execution through her dissertation work and her work at several companies.Dr. Polinho Katina, BSc, MEng Ph.D. is a Postdoctoral Researcher at the National Centers for System of Systems Engineering at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, where he is also an Adjunct Assistant Professor in SE. His research focused on the relationship between Systems Theory and Problem Formulation for governance of complex systems.Dr. Len Troncale is Professor Emeritus and Past Chair, Biological Sciences and Founding Director Emeritus of the Institute for Advanced Systems Studies, California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, CA. He was also past Managing Director of the Int’l Society for General Systems Research (SGSR) and past President of the Int’l Society for the Systems Sciences (ISSS). He is lead for two of the official INCOSE-SSWG ongoing projects.--
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