IJITSA

[Jack Ring]

Please be aware of the forthcoming issue of  the International Journal of Information Technologies and Systems Approach 10(2)

http://www.igi-global.com/Files/Ancillary/f61300ae-3f88-4f5a-aef4-29ee356cf612_IJITSA_Brochure_New%202016.pdf

[James Martin]

Jack,

The link you provided for the IJITSA journal is a general description flyer that says nothing about the next issue of this publication. Can you enlighten us on what this forthcoming issue will be covering? And why it is relevant to Systems Science?

James

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Jack Ring <jri...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please be aware of the forthcoming issue of  the International Journal of Information Technologies and Systems Approach 10(2)

http://www.igi-global.com/Files/Ancillary/f61300ae-3f88-4f5a-aef4-29ee356cf612_IJITSA_Brochure_New%202016.pdf

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[Lenard Troncale]

James and Jack,

The many topics under “topics covered” might give an indication of why it might be relevant to systems science. But I would be more interested in seeing a list of the Editorial Board and their bio’s. Also if it began in 2008 as it states, tables of contents of those past nine years of publication to assess its types and qualities of papers. It wouldn’t hurt to see various impact rankings also, altho’ it might be too soon for those.

Len

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[Aleksandar Malečić]

"...to assess its types and qualities of papers. It wouldn’t hurt to see various impact rankings also, altho’ it might be too soon for those." It's like a different approach to linkages and isomorphies. Someday systems scientists should climb up a list such as this one

http://www.webometrics.info/en/node/58

or at least more frequently feel the need to mention in their publications people and ideas from such a list in order to either support what they have to say by some big names or suggest transdisciplinarity..

Aleksandar

[Jack Ring]

It might be useful to consider that since the 1970’s citation analyses has shown very little correlation between number of citations and originality/importance of content. Citation indices indicate author popularity, not useful originality.

Jack

[Aleksandar Malečić]

Citation indices indicate author popularity, not useful originality.

It doesn't help much to a cause if an author isn't popular, does it? Truly original and relevant work would someday be more popular, especially if in systems science a space available for unification of a little bit of this with a little bit of (relatively popular) that.

Aleksandar

[Ferris, Tim]

This is another aspect arising from the fact that science is conducted in a social context.

 

The goal is noble, discovery of reliable knowledge about the world enabling appropriate action. The environment of the activity is fundamentally social, with factors such as who is respected, who is close to power, how persuasively or forcefully participants put forward their views etc etc.

 

Dr Tim Ferris

[Jack Ring]

Yes, science is conducted in a social context which means that there is more transpiring than just science, e.g., who is respected and for what, etc.

Similarly, many system design and architecting decisions are taken to placate sponsors or to meet deadlines rather than to maximize system effectiveness.

The ‘socialness’ of it all highlights the importance of a Standard of Care or at least a lesser Code of Ethics in human activities. 

Fudging climate change numbers is a social endeavor, not science.

Perhaps we should become more clear as the whether this SysSciWG is also concerned with the ethics of system design, architecting, engineering, construction, maintenance, etc. The IEEE P7000 project ( Model Process for Addressing Ethical Concerns During System Design) might benefit from the SysSciWG perspective. Hopefully a SysSci perspective would get them beyond thinking only of Process and on to Results.

??

Jack

[peterdt...@gmail.com]

Absolutely the sswg should take up social context , ethics, cultural and other influences on design, architecting, etc etc

Peter D Tuddenham