Policy Requiring Gov API
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Burt Lum
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I am sharing this email thread that was started last December but is
very relevant as we move forward on this initiative. It is chocked
full of good information.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Vaccarello
<ke...@sustainhawaii.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jared.
>
> That's some great background research!
>
> What do you guys think about putting together a top ten list of reasons for open data, like:
> 1) help make more informed decisions / improve efficacy (elected officials & constituents)
> 2) improve accountability of elected officials
> 3) reinvigorate a healthy, participatory system of governance
> 4) ...
>
> And maybe a top ten list for the government's role in helping us realize our preferred present and future?
> 1) public health & safety
> 2) ecological security
> 3) economic security
> 4) ...
>
> Once these two prioritized lists are loosely agreed upon, perhaps we can cross-reference them and drill a bit deeper to see if there are common themes or patterns to help us identify the top data sets that would enable us to accomplish our goals most readily?
>
> Aloha,
> Kevin
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Jared I. Kuroiwa wrote:
>
> > Hello All (this is a long one),
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is the proper place. But since I'm sitting in my
> > office getting ready to do some work, I figured I should do some
> > reading. This isn't pointing us in a direction, it's more just
> > collecting information for us to peruse through so we'll know what
> > we'll be up against (and I'm thinking on the state side, it may be
> > quite a hurdle).
> >
> > First off, if you haven't seen Seattle's implementation... it's
> > stunning, but strangely I can't find their legislation that drove it.
> > http://data.seattle.gov/
> >
> > And here's a link to something I believe Ryan Ozawa started after
> > Civil Beat started presenting data behind their firewall
> > (http://www.hawaiibase.com/wiki/Hawaii_Open_Data_Project).
> >
> > Here's some awesome Sample Legislation:
> >
> > San Francisco (http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/bosagendas/materials/bag110910_101155.pdf)
> > Vancouver, CA (http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20090519/documents/motionb2.pdf)
> > Memphis (http://www.cityofmemphis.org/pdf_forms/MayorsTransparencyExecutiveOrder.pdf)
> > London (http://wiki.civiccommons.org/uploads/e/ef/City-of-London-Open-Data-Initiative.pdf)
> >
> > Now for what we have in Hawaii from the state end of things...
> >
> > Office of Information Practices (OIP): http://hawaii.gov/oip/
> > Main site and definitions of what they are... basically the body that
> > manages UIPA and Sunshine.
> >
> > OIP's Records Report System: http://hawaii.gov/oip/rrs/search
> > Now this is pretty cool, but doing a cursory look through it... much
> > of the documentation is paper with no corresponding electronic
> > version. But it's a good start to look at what is currently available
> > in paper form. Now what we have to look at is the paperless
> > initiatives we heard some rumblings about as those would drive some
> > changes in these lists.
> >
> > Uniform Information Practices Act (UIPA): The Dreaded 92F (PDF
> > included that Gordon Bruce showed): http://hawaii.gov/oip/uipa.html
> >
> > Okay, for the UIPA, the following things stuck out to me:
> >
> > "§92F-11 (e) Each agency may adopt rules, pursuant to chapter 91, to
> > protect its records from theft, loss, defacement, alteration, or
> > deterioration and to prevent manifestly excessive interference with
> > the discharge of its other lawful responsibilities and functions. [L
> > 1988, c 262, pt of §1]"
> >
> > §92F-11 (e) may be problematic as it could be used as a driver for not
> > releasing data sets and pushing for print or PDF versions that don't
> > allow modification.
> >
> > In the PDF of 92F that Gordon Bruce flashed to everyone
> > (https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhawaii.gov%2Foip%2FJune2011%2520UIPA%2520Manual.pdf)...
> > there is a line in it that says:
> >
> > "Note, however, that another statute, HRS 27G-2, allows agencies to
> > "charge for value added electronic services" provided through the
> > state's internet portal."
> >
> > So I looked up HRS 27G and found the following:
> >
> > HRS 27G establishes the Access Hawaii Committee (Currently managed by
> > the Hawaii Information Consortium: eHawaii.gov):
> > http://ahc.ehawaii.gov/openedit/
> >
> > HRS 27G Text: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0027G/HRS_0027G-.htm
> >
> > AHC Roles Definition:
> > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fahc.ehawaii.gov%2Fopenedit%2Ffiles%2FSubReport%2FAHC_Roles_Responsibililties.pdf
> >
> > Now this may be a problem. I don't know the Hawaii Information
> > Consortium (HIC) guys, but I'm familiar with what they do. They are
> > driving much of the online developments for the state through
> > eHawaii.gov. The problem, they're a business. So I doubt that they'd
> > be willing to release information that they could charge for as
> > drafted in HRS 27G-2. What I'm hoping for is amending HRS 27G to add
> > opening up the data connections that are being used by HIC. However,
> > as some of us are business people, we know that cutting out potential
> > revenue streams may cause HIC to stop doing what they are and leave us
> > with a bigger problem. Does anyone know the HIC guys?
> >
> > Okay, I'll leave it at this as I'm sure it's getting to be a bit much.
> > Some great reading and some great examples of what has been happening
> > around the world, not just the US.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jared
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Jared Kuroiwa
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 5:29 PM
> > To: 'Daniel Leuck'; Kory Payne
> > Cc: jana....@gmail.com; jesse.c...@gmail.com; rjo...@esri.com;
> > jaxe...@referentia.com; ky...@kylenishioka.com; Kevin Vaccarello; Dave
> > Kozuki; Olin Lagon
> > Subject: RE: Policy Requiring Gov API
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > It was definitely a great meeting. First off, please use my personal
> > email (jkur...@alumni.usc.edu) as you never know how long someone is
> > going to stay in a job... and I'll always be an alumni of USC (they
> > can't take that away... can they?!).
> >
> > Secondly, I think we should think about changing the name of the
> > group. I think API is a little much and further than we need to go for
> > step one. Just throwing it out there as we saw the resistance from the
> > city and state employees as an API is more that final step. Also,
> > looking at DataSF.org, I see that much of their data is just in table
> > form (sad...).
> >
> > Just a quick bunch of links for us to start reading through:
> >
> > http://wiki.civiccommons.org/Open_Data_Policy (And http://civiccommons.org/)
> > http://nycctechcomm.wordpress.com/opengov/
> > http://govfresh.com/2010/10/sf-mayor-newsom-introduces-data-legislation-to-open-centralize-all-city-data/
> > http://www.fastcompany.com/1701410/san-francisco-passes-first-open-data-law
> > http://datasf.org/
> >
> > This is going to be fun. Seriously.
> >
> > Jared
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Daniel Leuck [mailto:d...@ikayzo.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:22 PM
> > To: Kory Payne
> > Cc: jana....@gmail.com; Jared Kuroiwa; jesse.c...@gmail.com;
> > rjo...@esri.com; jaxe...@referentia.com; ky...@kylenishioka.com; Kevin
> > Vaccarello; Dave Kozuki; Olin Lagon
> > Subject: Re: Policy Requiring Gov API
> >
> > Hi Kory,
> >
> > I also enjoyed the event. We are fortunate to have someone like you
> > with experience in community organization and lobbying to have
> > volunteered to assist with our city (and eventually state) open web
> > API initiative. The network I mentioned in TechHui.com. I'm happy to
> > include whatever you find useful in the next newsletter which goes out
> > to over 2,600 Hawaii techies.
> >
> > Dave (cc:ed) has a large network of neighborhood oriented communities
> > called OurTown808. There is another Hawaii social network for
> > community betterment called Kanu. I've cc:ed by good friend Olin who
> > is one of the founders. We are all interested in making city and state
> > data available to resident programmers via standardized web APIs.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Leuck
> > President
> > Ikayzo, inc.
> > Design * Build * Localize
> > +1 (808) 539-3804 (US Direct)
> > +1 (808) 393-9119 (US Mobile)
> > +81 090.7016.6635 (Japan Mobile)
> > +1 (808) 591-1496 (Fax)
> > http://ikayzo.com
> > http://facebook.com/ikayzo
> > http://twitter.com/dleuck
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Kory Payne <ko...@policyninja.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I was so stoked to be part of the event today and meet a lot of cool
> > and talented people.
> >
> > This initial email is not the full list yet. I'll have that soon when
> > jana emails me the pic of the full list from the big wall paper.
> >
> > What a great opportunity to have supportive people in the mayor's
> > office right now. I think we'll give this legislation a great chance
> > at passing w/ everyone's help.
> >
> > Just quickly, we divided tasks into the following teams. Let me know
> > if you have other suggestions, and let us know where/how you can help.
> > I slotted people where I thought they were interested and/or willing
> > to help. Please feel free to add and/or remove yourselves from any of
> > these.
> >
> > Thank you again for helping!
> >
> > 1. Campaign Messaging, branding, and materials (jana, kevin, royce, ____...)
> >
> > 2. Legislation Drafting & Research (kory, dan, jared . . .)
> >
> > 3. Campaign Implementation (kory, jana, dan, kevin, jared, ____...)
> >
> > 4. Advocacy / meetings w/ Councilors (royce, kory, dan, jared, ____ . . .)
> >
> >
> > Once, we get the full list and figure out where people are going to
> > help out, we can begin Team meetings and tasks, then schedule our
> > first Full Team meeting where we can update each other on what's
> > happening w/ our respective stuffs.
> >
> > Does that sound ok?
> >
> > Thank you again. Mahalo,
> >
> > Kory 457-8622
> >
> > --
> > Kory Payne
> > Co-Founder Policy Ninja
> > 808-457-8622
> > http://policyninja.org
>
very relevant as we move forward on this initiative. It is chocked
full of good information.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Vaccarello
<ke...@sustainhawaii.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jared.
>
> That's some great background research!
>
> What do you guys think about putting together a top ten list of reasons for open data, like:
> 1) help make more informed decisions / improve efficacy (elected officials & constituents)
> 2) improve accountability of elected officials
> 3) reinvigorate a healthy, participatory system of governance
> 4) ...
>
> And maybe a top ten list for the government's role in helping us realize our preferred present and future?
> 1) public health & safety
> 2) ecological security
> 3) economic security
> 4) ...
>
> Once these two prioritized lists are loosely agreed upon, perhaps we can cross-reference them and drill a bit deeper to see if there are common themes or patterns to help us identify the top data sets that would enable us to accomplish our goals most readily?
>
> Aloha,
> Kevin
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Jared I. Kuroiwa wrote:
>
> > Hello All (this is a long one),
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is the proper place. But since I'm sitting in my
> > office getting ready to do some work, I figured I should do some
> > reading. This isn't pointing us in a direction, it's more just
> > collecting information for us to peruse through so we'll know what
> > we'll be up against (and I'm thinking on the state side, it may be
> > quite a hurdle).
> >
> > First off, if you haven't seen Seattle's implementation... it's
> > stunning, but strangely I can't find their legislation that drove it.
> > http://data.seattle.gov/
> >
> > And here's a link to something I believe Ryan Ozawa started after
> > Civil Beat started presenting data behind their firewall
> > (http://www.hawaiibase.com/wiki/Hawaii_Open_Data_Project).
> >
> > Here's some awesome Sample Legislation:
> >
> > San Francisco (http://www.sfbos.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/bdsupvrs/bosagendas/materials/bag110910_101155.pdf)
> > Vancouver, CA (http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20090519/documents/motionb2.pdf)
> > Memphis (http://www.cityofmemphis.org/pdf_forms/MayorsTransparencyExecutiveOrder.pdf)
> > London (http://wiki.civiccommons.org/uploads/e/ef/City-of-London-Open-Data-Initiative.pdf)
> >
> > Now for what we have in Hawaii from the state end of things...
> >
> > Office of Information Practices (OIP): http://hawaii.gov/oip/
> > Main site and definitions of what they are... basically the body that
> > manages UIPA and Sunshine.
> >
> > OIP's Records Report System: http://hawaii.gov/oip/rrs/search
> > Now this is pretty cool, but doing a cursory look through it... much
> > of the documentation is paper with no corresponding electronic
> > version. But it's a good start to look at what is currently available
> > in paper form. Now what we have to look at is the paperless
> > initiatives we heard some rumblings about as those would drive some
> > changes in these lists.
> >
> > Uniform Information Practices Act (UIPA): The Dreaded 92F (PDF
> > included that Gordon Bruce showed): http://hawaii.gov/oip/uipa.html
> >
> > Okay, for the UIPA, the following things stuck out to me:
> >
> > "§92F-11 (e) Each agency may adopt rules, pursuant to chapter 91, to
> > protect its records from theft, loss, defacement, alteration, or
> > deterioration and to prevent manifestly excessive interference with
> > the discharge of its other lawful responsibilities and functions. [L
> > 1988, c 262, pt of §1]"
> >
> > §92F-11 (e) may be problematic as it could be used as a driver for not
> > releasing data sets and pushing for print or PDF versions that don't
> > allow modification.
> >
> > In the PDF of 92F that Gordon Bruce flashed to everyone
> > (https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhawaii.gov%2Foip%2FJune2011%2520UIPA%2520Manual.pdf)...
> > there is a line in it that says:
> >
> > "Note, however, that another statute, HRS 27G-2, allows agencies to
> > "charge for value added electronic services" provided through the
> > state's internet portal."
> >
> > So I looked up HRS 27G and found the following:
> >
> > HRS 27G establishes the Access Hawaii Committee (Currently managed by
> > the Hawaii Information Consortium: eHawaii.gov):
> > http://ahc.ehawaii.gov/openedit/
> >
> > HRS 27G Text: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0027G/HRS_0027G-.htm
> >
> > AHC Roles Definition:
> > https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fahc.ehawaii.gov%2Fopenedit%2Ffiles%2FSubReport%2FAHC_Roles_Responsibililties.pdf
> >
> > Now this may be a problem. I don't know the Hawaii Information
> > Consortium (HIC) guys, but I'm familiar with what they do. They are
> > driving much of the online developments for the state through
> > eHawaii.gov. The problem, they're a business. So I doubt that they'd
> > be willing to release information that they could charge for as
> > drafted in HRS 27G-2. What I'm hoping for is amending HRS 27G to add
> > opening up the data connections that are being used by HIC. However,
> > as some of us are business people, we know that cutting out potential
> > revenue streams may cause HIC to stop doing what they are and leave us
> > with a bigger problem. Does anyone know the HIC guys?
> >
> > Okay, I'll leave it at this as I'm sure it's getting to be a bit much.
> > Some great reading and some great examples of what has been happening
> > around the world, not just the US.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Jared
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Jared Kuroiwa
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 5:29 PM
> > To: 'Daniel Leuck'; Kory Payne
> > Cc: jana....@gmail.com; jesse.c...@gmail.com; rjo...@esri.com;
> > jaxe...@referentia.com; ky...@kylenishioka.com; Kevin Vaccarello; Dave
> > Kozuki; Olin Lagon
> > Subject: RE: Policy Requiring Gov API
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > It was definitely a great meeting. First off, please use my personal
> > email (jkur...@alumni.usc.edu) as you never know how long someone is
> > going to stay in a job... and I'll always be an alumni of USC (they
> > can't take that away... can they?!).
> >
> > Secondly, I think we should think about changing the name of the
> > group. I think API is a little much and further than we need to go for
> > step one. Just throwing it out there as we saw the resistance from the
> > city and state employees as an API is more that final step. Also,
> > looking at DataSF.org, I see that much of their data is just in table
> > form (sad...).
> >
> > Just a quick bunch of links for us to start reading through:
> >
> > http://wiki.civiccommons.org/Open_Data_Policy (And http://civiccommons.org/)
> > http://nycctechcomm.wordpress.com/opengov/
> > http://govfresh.com/2010/10/sf-mayor-newsom-introduces-data-legislation-to-open-centralize-all-city-data/
> > http://www.fastcompany.com/1701410/san-francisco-passes-first-open-data-law
> > http://datasf.org/
> >
> > This is going to be fun. Seriously.
> >
> > Jared
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: Daniel Leuck [mailto:d...@ikayzo.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:22 PM
> > To: Kory Payne
> > Cc: jana....@gmail.com; Jared Kuroiwa; jesse.c...@gmail.com;
> > rjo...@esri.com; jaxe...@referentia.com; ky...@kylenishioka.com; Kevin
> > Vaccarello; Dave Kozuki; Olin Lagon
> > Subject: Re: Policy Requiring Gov API
> >
> > Hi Kory,
> >
> > I also enjoyed the event. We are fortunate to have someone like you
> > with experience in community organization and lobbying to have
> > volunteered to assist with our city (and eventually state) open web
> > API initiative. The network I mentioned in TechHui.com. I'm happy to
> > include whatever you find useful in the next newsletter which goes out
> > to over 2,600 Hawaii techies.
> >
> > Dave (cc:ed) has a large network of neighborhood oriented communities
> > called OurTown808. There is another Hawaii social network for
> > community betterment called Kanu. I've cc:ed by good friend Olin who
> > is one of the founders. We are all interested in making city and state
> > data available to resident programmers via standardized web APIs.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Leuck
> > President
> > Ikayzo, inc.
> > Design * Build * Localize
> > +1 (808) 539-3804 (US Direct)
> > +1 (808) 393-9119 (US Mobile)
> > +81 090.7016.6635 (Japan Mobile)
> > +1 (808) 591-1496 (Fax)
> > http://ikayzo.com
> > http://facebook.com/ikayzo
> > http://twitter.com/dleuck
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Kory Payne <ko...@policyninja.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I was so stoked to be part of the event today and meet a lot of cool
> > and talented people.
> >
> > This initial email is not the full list yet. I'll have that soon when
> > jana emails me the pic of the full list from the big wall paper.
> >
> > What a great opportunity to have supportive people in the mayor's
> > office right now. I think we'll give this legislation a great chance
> > at passing w/ everyone's help.
> >
> > Just quickly, we divided tasks into the following teams. Let me know
> > if you have other suggestions, and let us know where/how you can help.
> > I slotted people where I thought they were interested and/or willing
> > to help. Please feel free to add and/or remove yourselves from any of
> > these.
> >
> > Thank you again for helping!
> >
> > 1. Campaign Messaging, branding, and materials (jana, kevin, royce, ____...)
> >
> > 2. Legislation Drafting & Research (kory, dan, jared . . .)
> >
> > 3. Campaign Implementation (kory, jana, dan, kevin, jared, ____...)
> >
> > 4. Advocacy / meetings w/ Councilors (royce, kory, dan, jared, ____ . . .)
> >
> >
> > Once, we get the full list and figure out where people are going to
> > help out, we can begin Team meetings and tasks, then schedule our
> > first Full Team meeting where we can update each other on what's
> > happening w/ our respective stuffs.
> >
> > Does that sound ok?
> >
> > Thank you again. Mahalo,
> >
> > Kory 457-8622
> >
> > --
> > Kory Payne
> > Co-Founder Policy Ninja
> > 808-457-8622
> > http://policyninja.org
>
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