Re: Ontology As A System
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Jon Awbrey
Oct 5, 2019, 11:45:34 AM10/5/19
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Joe, All ...
The reason I've been maintaining an interdisciplinary perspective in my
postings to the Ontolog Forum, Structural Modeling, and Systems Science
groups is because each one stresses a distinct but necessary aspect of
a systems approach to scientific inquiry. I see much potential to be
had in integrating these views of the inquiry process, but it will
take a lot more thought and work to fully develop that potential.
The feature that jumps out at me as I scan the discussions on this thread --
and I've said this before about most of the discussions of systems I've
seen in these groups -- is the static nature of the pictures of systems
people are laying out. Whereas, for me, my whole reason for taking up
a systems approach to inference, information, inquiry, along with the
symbol systems we use to conduct their transactions, is to tease out
the shape and flow and dynamics of their transformations.
Regards,
Jon
On 10/4/2019 12:53 PM, joseph simpson wrote:
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> Joe
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The reason I've been maintaining an interdisciplinary perspective in my
postings to the Ontolog Forum, Structural Modeling, and Systems Science
groups is because each one stresses a distinct but necessary aspect of
a systems approach to scientific inquiry. I see much potential to be
had in integrating these views of the inquiry process, but it will
take a lot more thought and work to fully develop that potential.
The feature that jumps out at me as I scan the discussions on this thread --
and I've said this before about most of the discussions of systems I've
seen in these groups -- is the static nature of the pictures of systems
people are laying out. Whereas, for me, my whole reason for taking up
a systems approach to inference, information, inquiry, along with the
symbol systems we use to conduct their transactions, is to tease out
the shape and flow and dynamics of their transformations.
Regards,
Jon
On 10/4/2019 12:53 PM, joseph simpson wrote:
> Alex:
>
> It will take some time to create a response to your email note.
>
> The next report version should be out between the middle of November and
> the first of December.
>
> Take care and have fun,
>
> Joe
>
Lenard Troncale
Oct 5, 2019, 5:33:41 PM10/5/19
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Jon et. al.,
I add another perspective to what I agree with in your complaint here. I see not consensus forming across the interdisciplinary groups. They mostly just keep talking over and past each other without what I would call significant study and consensus. Thus, many years go by without much progress or selection. In fact, I have heard the leaders of the ISSS, for example, actually praise the lack of rigor or selection as the reason they come to ISSS. So I complain also and raise you one. For another example, that is why I try to follow (not very well IMHO) the Simpson et. al. group (including yourself and Kevin Dye) because they listened and build on each other to a greater consensus with rigor, but seem to be mostly ignored by the rest of the interdisciplinary crowd.
Len Troncale
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I add another perspective to what I agree with in your complaint here. I see not consensus forming across the interdisciplinary groups. They mostly just keep talking over and past each other without what I would call significant study and consensus. Thus, many years go by without much progress or selection. In fact, I have heard the leaders of the ISSS, for example, actually praise the lack of rigor or selection as the reason they come to ISSS. So I complain also and raise you one. For another example, that is why I try to follow (not very well IMHO) the Simpson et. al. group (including yourself and Kevin Dye) because they listened and build on each other to a greater consensus with rigor, but seem to be mostly ignored by the rest of the interdisciplinary crowd.
Len Troncale
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Jack Ring
Oct 5, 2019, 5:44:17 PM10/5/19
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Perhaps a significant impediment is the pursuit of consensus rather than of efficacy.
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