Meeting with KJR (Kreisjugendring)

[Lars Riemann]

A few notes I took on our meeting with the KJR, regarding our organisation of the german branch as eV (eingetragener Verein/registered association). I'll just paste them in german as they are mostly relevant for german speaking people, but feel free to ask me questions.

- Unsere Satzung ist viel zu spezifisch, wenn sich dann irgendein Detail ändert wird das schon nicht mehr vom Vereinszweck erfasst (z.B. unsere Mitglieder möchten mal an nem anderen Wettbewerb teilnehmen)
   -> Sowas wie Vereinzweck: Unterstüzung Roboterbau junger Menschen (<26 Jahre) ist völlig ausreichend und deckt auch schon Gemeinützigkeitszwecke ab

- Das Gesetz mit dem erweiterten Führungszeugnis, das für jeden nötig ist, der staatliche Fördermittel will und mit Kindern arbeiten möchte, ist noch nicht in den Realisierungdetails geklärt, woran der KJR momentan arbeitet ist die Einführung einer Jugendleitercard, dafür müsste man eine 40h Schulung machen (wahrscheinlich generell Gruppenleiterausbildung für Jugendliche, ist imo sowas wie ne spezialisierte Tutorenschulung) und sein erweitertes Führungszeugnis im KJR zeigen, dann bekommt man so ne Karte. Hat den Vorteil, dass das Zeugnis nur Leuten gezeigt werden muss, die per Diensteid zur Vertraulichkeit verpflichtet sind (das KJR ist eine Körperschaft des öffentlichen Rechts, die Angestellten dürften werden also wohl ähnlich wie ich einen Diensteid auf die Verfassung geschworen haben).
   -> Die Karte ist erstmal nur nötig, wenn man öffentliche Fördergelder will
   -> Sie macht vieles einfacher, da sie Ausbildung für Jugendbetreuung + Unbedenklichkeit bestätigt
   -> Will SR sie evtl. generell haben (https://www.studentrobotics.org/trac/ticket/2150), würde imo das Verlangte abdecken, sollten wir aber nicht zu lange vor uns herschieben

- Kosten für Fahrt nach GB können bei Bedürftigkeit über Stiftungen gedeckt werden ("Es scheitert in MUC nie am Geld")
   -> Stahlgruberstiftung
   -> Lichtblicke e.V. Hasenbergl
   -> Bildungswerk der Stadtwerke
   -> Fördervereine der Gymnasien
   -> Generell wird irgendwann ein Nachweis der Bedürftigkeit bei diesen Wegen notwendig sein, muss über Elternabend ö.ä. gut erklärt werden, normalerweise aber handhabbar, würde ich vorab einfach nochmal um konkrete Hilfe fragen

KJR selber ist Stadt München spezifisch, d.h. wir müssen primär im Uniumfeld tätig sein, und falls wir da mal Mittel haben möchten müssten die quasi auch für Jugend aus der Stadt eingesetzt werden (aka. Markt Indersdorf muss über ihre eigene Gemeinde unterstützt werden, wenn das spezifisch für Gruppen/Personen ist).
Um zum KJR gehören zu können müssen wir ein Verein der Jugend sein, d.h. typ. <26, einzelne, für wichtig gehaltene Leute dürfen auch älter sein, aber die Entscheidungsgewalt sollte den Jugendlichen Mitgliedern obliegen. D.h. meine 28 sind kein Problem, auch wenn ich jetzt Orga, Kasse, etc. mach nicht, aber ich muss von den Mitgliedern dazu gewählt worden sein, und wenns ihnen nicht mehr passt, was ich alter Sack so treib, dürfen sie auch nen neuen Chef bestimmen. So läuft dann auch der Beitritt zum KJR, wir stelln uns da auf der Mitgliederversammlung vor und die sagen dann ob sie uns dabei haben wollen.

Generell wars ein sehr nettes Treffen, die hatten gleich 4 Leute da, die sich für uns interessiert haben und wollen sich mal unsren Satzungsentwurf ein bisschen anschaun, um uns Tipps zu geben, wie wir damit nen gemeinnützigen Verein hinbekommen, der aber dennoch für Änderungen so offen ist, dass wir nicht wegen jedem Fitzelchen Fortschritt zum Notar & Registergericht rennen müssen. Die Idee mit der Jugendleitercard fand ich auch nicht so schlecht, ich mag ja erstens sowieso Präsentations-/Pädagogikfortbildungen total gern und zweitens ist das sicher auch super geeignet um Eltern zu vermitteln, dass ihre Kinder gut aufgehoben sind (was sie ja dann automatisch auch besser sind, wenn wir mehr Ahnung haben).

[Sophia Maria]

Hi,

this sounds really good :D

The most important points translated to English:

We can formulate the rules for SR Munich much looser, and we are getting help with that.

KJR also offer a card for people who did a 40hrs course on working with young people and who can show something similar to the CRB check (good for #2150).

Someone in Munich would be interested in doing that.

The card could also make getting funding easier, however state funding depends very much on the city, MAI needs funding from a different city than the other munich team.

KJR is aimed at groups that are led by under 25yr-olds. However if someone 26 or over is voted into a position by under 25yr-olds that is ok, too.

cheers
lilafisch

[Peter Law]

Hi,

lilafisch wrote:
> We can formulate the rules for SR Munich much looser, and we are getting
> help with that.

Cool.

> KJR also offer a card for people who did a 40hrs course on working with
> young people and who can show something similar to the CRB check (good for
> #2150).
> Someone in Munich would be interested in doing that.
> The card could also make getting funding easier, however state funding
> depends very much on the city, MAI needs funding from a different city than
> the other munich team.

Nice, however please could you clarify what the KJR are, and why we
want to belong to it? Is it just a source of funding, or are there
other benefits?

> KJR is aimed at groups that are led by under 25yr-olds. However if someone
> 26 or over is voted into a position by under 25yr-olds that is ok, too.

Could you clarify what is being voted on here -- what does a
'position' mean in this context? Is there a mini-committee at the MUC
branch, or is this to be a mentor or even just to contribute to our
software?

Also, who is doing the voting -- other contributors, or including the
competitors? If it does include competitors this seems a little
paradoxical, as, without the contributors, there would be no SR for
them to vote about.

Note that this age limit, if applied in the UK, is younger than all
the original SR members.

Alternatively if this limit is on the competitors only, in the UK
we've been limiting it to 18 (though not strongly enforced [2]) - this
being when you finish school [1] and move on to University.

Thanks,
Peter

[1] Education is compulsory to the age of 16, but "school" or
"college" is considered to end at 18.
[2] I think there was someone a bit older who was repeating a year or similar.

["Johannes Müller"]

Hi,

 

Peter wrote:

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2013 um 19:16 Uhr
Von: "Peter Law" <peter...@gmail.com>
An: "Student Robotics" <srob...@googlegroups.com>
Betreff: Re: Meeting with KJR (Kreisjugendring)

Hi,

lilafisch wrote:
> We can formulate the rules for SR Munich much looser, and we are getting
> help with that.

Cool.

> KJR also offer a card for people who did a 40hrs course on working with
> young people and who can show something similar to the CRB check (good for
> #2150).
> Someone in Munich would be interested in doing that.
> The card could also make getting funding easier, however state funding
> depends very much on the city, MAI needs funding from a different city than
> the other munich team.

Nice, however please could you clarify what the KJR are, and why we
want to belong to it? Is it just a source of funding, or are there
other benefits?

 

The KJR München is an organisation supporting assosiations of young people. It is fund by the city of Munich. Member assosiations get regulary a certain amount (about 20 euro per member per year) and can get some money for special purpose like a voyage. Additionally, this institution gives advice, i.e. how to create our articles of assosiation to get tax benefits.

> KJR is aimed at groups that are led by under 25yr-olds. However if someone
> 26 or over is voted into a position by under 25yr-olds that is ok, too.

Could you clarify what is being voted on here -- what does a
'position' mean in this context? Is there a mini-committee at the MUC
branch, or is this to be a mentor or even just to contribute to our
software?

Also, who is doing the voting -- other contributors, or including the
competitors? If it does include competitors this seems a little
paradoxical, as, without the contributors, there would be no SR for
them to vote about.

Note that this age limit, if applied in the UK, is younger than all
the original SR members.

Alternatively if this limit is on the competitors only, in the UK
we've been limiting it to 18 (though not strongly enforced [2]) - this
being when you finish school [1] and move on to University.

 

We plan to found a regristed assosiation "Student Robotics Munich". This assosiation would be able to join the KJR München to get the benefits I mentioned above. To become a member, the KJR demands that an assosiation is organized democraticly by young people (< 27 years). Thus, "vote" means that the leaders of the assosiation are elected by the members.  Also, it is allowed that there are some older people who even are allowed to serve for example as treasurer.

As the members of the assosiation will be German pupils and blueshirts, the age of the British blueshirts is not important.

 

 

Cheers

 

Johannes

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[Peter Law]

lilafisch wrote:
>>> KJR is aimed at groups that are led by under 25yr-olds. However if someone
>>> 26 or over is voted into a position by under 25yr-olds that is ok, too.

I wrote:
>> Could you clarify what is being voted on here -- what does a
>> 'position' mean in this context? Is there a mini-committee at the MUC
>> branch, or is this to be a mentor or even just to contribute to our
>> software?
>>
>> Also, who is doing the voting -- other contributors, or including the
>> competitors? If it does include competitors this seems a little
>> paradoxical, as, without the contributors, there would be no SR for
>> them to vote about.

Johannes wrote:
> We plan to found a regristed assosiation "Student Robotics Munich".

> [..]

> Thus, "vote" means that
> the leaders of the assosiation are elected by the members. Also, it is
> allowed that there are some older people who even are allowed to serve for
> example as treasurer.

Ok, so what does this mean in practical terms? Could we end up with a
scenario where competitors stood for, and won organisational positions
within the new organisation? While unlikely, this is clearly a
situation that would be undesirable and could make it very hard for us
to actually do things.

So, to confirm, everyone over the age of 25 who wanted to help out in
Munich would need to be voted into a position by the younger members?

This sounds like a rather complex thing to organise if SR Munich got
bigger, particularly if the competitors qualified as voting members
and a majority was needed.

Off-list, lilafish suggested that if it became an issue, we could
split the organisation into two parts, only one of which would be a
KJR member. Is this viable, and if so, how does it resolve the above
issues?

>> Note that this age limit, if applied in the UK, is younger than all
>> the original SR members.

> As the members of the assosiation will be German pupils and blueshirts, the
> age of the British blueshirts is not important.

My point here was also that as the organisational group in Munich
ages, the chances are that the people more likely to want to be
organisational positions are going to have an older average age. It
would be a shame if at one point we ran out of younger people able to
actually vote these people in. This should be considered when we tie
ourselves in to requiring that they need to be voted in by the younger
members.

Following that, is there a limit to the number of 'older' contributors
a group could have?

I realise I'm asking quite a lot of questions -- please don't think
I'm against doing this; I'd just like to make sure that we've
considered (and documented!) all the implications first [0].

Thanks,
Peter

[0] Also, I just like knowing _everything_.