Cramp up

[matthew vorgang]

Hey guys.

I've been thinking, and I think I've got to give up SOUPA. Unfortunately, I think that means giving up cramp up as well. I will hand the field food instructions over to Adam, at the bottom of this email.

I've been promoting SOUPA to my local church, and encouraging kids and families of all types to come as a family event. Women with their shirts off is absolutely not family friendly, and no bra is against the law in Medford. However, I do not feel like judging them was the best option, so Tess and I will not be participating. The other issue is the incredible amount of support they received, as well as the music playing with explicit lyrics. It is clear to me that this community, in my opinion, is no longer family friendly.

This community in the past has been an absolute blessing to me, and I thank you all, especially Kellen, for making this a positive impact in my life.

I've included all of you so that you can plan the rest of cramp up accordingly.

Sincerely, 

-Matt

Adam, I've secured donations to be picked up at trader Joe's on the 18th. Your contact there is Chris. Franz bread off of Biddle is the best place to get bread, you should only need 20 loaves, call them soon if you want them to order the bread for even cheaper. Get jam wherever you want, and then just some knives and plates and napkins. If you have extra money to spend, Nutella is always a good option. Austin may be able to help you out if you need it, he helped me last year. 

It's also helpful to print out the photos that Kevin Jantzer takes and give them to the donors as a thank you after the tournament.

[Zach Zegzdryn]

Hey Matt,

I vehemently disagree with your opinions on this matter, considering how breasts are kind of a common feature among both genders. In fact, out of all the people in SOUPA you’re shirtless the most. I understand not wanting to hear offensive lyrics because that can affect some people negatively and I can see your point on that, but I think this ultimate community we have here, fosters equality among genders and doesnt discriminate in the manner that your church might. Jesus Christ, it’s 2018. Best of luck my man, it’s been a lot of fun playing with you. 

Zach

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[Tony Crane]

Is that really a law in Medford that women have to wear bras?  Yikes.  I hope you're kidding.

Have fun at Cramp Up, I miss you guys.

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[Joshua Blesse]

Hey Matt and our Ultimate Community, 

I also was very uncomfortable at ultimate today. I talked with my wife and we have agreed that we’re not ok with having our daughter around this explicit situation. My values are a lot more conservative and this isn’t something I would want to condone to my child. Although I don’t believe anyone was trying to make a statement, it was in many ways a strong statement of what our ultimate community is about. If this is what our community is going to express to everyone in such a public place, I, unfortunately, am not interested in participating either. This is not to say I don’t enjoy everyone and have enjoyed seeing our SOUPA community grow. With this said, if this is the direction that SOUPA is going than I am no longer willing to be apart of it as well.

Josh

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[erin federline]

Hi all,

Matt, gosh, I'm sorry to hear that you are so offended and am sad to see you go. While I honor your intention NOT to judge, I wish you could feel acceptance and tolerance in your heart....that's family- friendly! These actions aren't a reflection of you or SOUPA...it sounds like some folks who were out on a beautiful day trying to have fun. I'm truly sorry that shirtless women offends you so much that you have to dissociate with the sport and send you away from something you love. I hope that with time, you can move on and return to playing and know that there are all kinds of people who play ultimate and accept them and their choices as you play along side them.

As for Frisbee Central, I helped some last year and got some donations from RV RUNNERS, Human Bean, and the Coop. I can work on these again. We also asked everyone local to consider making baked goods and that seemed to be a hit as Sat morning we had some really nice goodies in addition to the supply of purchased goods for folks to munch on.

I'm loving hearing the excitement for the tourney. Keep it rolling, all.

Long live Cramp Up! Play Ultimate!
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On Sun, 5/6/18, matthew vorgang <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: [SOUPA] Cramp up
To: "'Joe Sullivan' via Soupa" <soupa...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "Kellen Akiyama" <kellen....@gmail.com>, "Starbird Greg" <gregst...@yahoo.com>, "Russ Causley" <rcau...@gmail.com>, "Adam Danforth" <in...@adamdanforth.com>
Date: Sunday, May 6, 2018, 6:34 PM

Hey guys.I've been

thinking, and I think I've got to give up SOUPA.
Unfortunately, I think that means giving up cramp up as
well. I will hand the field food instructions over to Adam,

at the bottom of this email.I've been

promoting SOUPA to my local church, and encouraging kids and
families of all types to come as a family event. Women with
their shirts off is absolutely not family friendly, and no
bra is against the law in Medford. However, I do not feel
like judging them was the best option, so Tess and I will
not be participating. The other issue is the incredible
amount of support they received, as well as the music
playing with explicit lyrics. It is clear to me that this
community, in my opinion, is no longer family

friendly.This community in the past has been an

absolute blessing to me, and I thank you all, especially
Kellen, for making this a positive impact in my
life.
I've included all of you so that you can plan
the rest of cramp up accordingly.
Sincerely, -Matt

Adam, I've secured donations to be picked up
at trader Joe's on the 18th. Your contact there is
Chris. Franz bread off of Biddle is the best place to get
bread, you should only need 20 loaves, call them soon if you
want them to order the bread for even cheaper. Get jam
wherever you want, and then just some knives and plates and
napkins. If you have extra money to spend, Nutella is always
a good option. Austin may be able to help you out if you
need it, he helped me last year. It's also
helpful to print out the photos that Kevin Jantzer takes and
give them to the donors as a thank you after the
tournament.



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[Christopher Winder]

Free the Nipple!

- Winder

On May 6, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Adam Danforth <in...@adamdanforth.com> wrote:

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[Shantrin Lininger]

Preach, Winder! ❤️

[James Yang]

Hey Matt, Josh, and SOUPA,

I'm saddened by this, but I think it is a good that you brought it up and an opportunity to have a discussion and for the community to come together on this. It is totally understandable for you and others to have that reaction and feel uncomfortable with that aspect of today's game. If my kids were at the game today I might have felt similarly. SOUPA, and most ultimate communities, has long had a mission statement and tradition of being inclusive to all and specifically family friendly.... with players and couples bringing their kids out to play on the sidelines for decades, actually.

Matt, you and your family have become a fixture and strong presence in SOUPA, not to mention your stepping up as commish for league and other ways. Younger players and families are really important for this community to keep going as there are fewer and fewer older players like me still playing. No one wants you and Tess to leave, and if you do for good it would not only leave a hole in the group but it would be a reminder that we couldn't work through things like today in order to promote inclusiviity and sensitivity to varying points of view. Now that you and others brought it up, which is a good thing, I think we can all make an adjustment and come together on this.

I'm glad you spoke up, and Josh too. Stuff like this happens in all ultimate communities and what's important is how we react to it and show respect for everyone's varying styles and beliefs by finding the common ground so we can all play the game we love. Your family and Josh's too are a big part of our little SOUPA community, and you shoiuldn't feel forced to stop playing a game you love.

I hope you'll reconsider, and I think most everyone wants that too. As far as some knee jerk reactions and the minority that may disagree, I believe after reconsideration they'd rather see you on the field than insist that it's more important to have naked points and edgy music at pickup games. There are some tournaments out there with that and more, and it's well known. People can choose to go to those or not. Freedom of expression in every form has it's place....and time.

However, I think the vast majority of us want our ultimate community to be comfortable for everyone and that takes a little bit of adjustment on occasion to reel it in, stay PG, etc. We also want new players and families with kids to feel welcome. I've thought about bringing inviting some of my high school players out to pickup too.

I don't think today represents what SOUPA is about or the direction it's going. 

I'm hopeful about our community support on this for your consideration. It would mean a lot. 

Please chime in if you feel called to.

Thanks,

James

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[Joel Caswell]

Wow!.....!

The question is: Do we (SOUPA) care more about providing a family friendly environment or one that provides additional room for adult personal expression? 

In a family friendly environment, such as a elementary school (or anywhere else with young children), certain actions seen today would not be appropriate. 

We certainly don’t need to lose any existing ultimate players OR any potential new ones with young families because we can’t moderate our actions......

Joel 

On May 6, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Shantrin Lininger <shan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Preach, Winder! ❤️

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:27 PM Christopher Winder <cwin...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Fromm, Olivia T]

Hi everyone, 

I just wanted to say first of all I’m sorry that i made people feel uncomfortable. My intention was just to run around free and wild in the sun. Nudity and bodies weren’t ever anything to be ashamed of in my family and i kind of forgot that they can be for others. It would have been nice to tell me in person (but maybe that felt uncomfortable too, idk?) From what I’ve seen of other ultimate frisbee communities, nudity, silliness, and weirdness are a big part of the game, and honestly that’s a huge draw for me, i feel like I’m among a community of my kind of people. So while I’m not sorry i played topless, i am sorry that it made others feel uncomfortable. Matt and Josh, i love you guys and would be really sad to see you leave. 

-o dawg

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Subject: Re: [SOUPA] Re: Cramp up

 

[James Yang]

Thanks for lasering the issue Joel.  And thanks to Matt and Josh for speaking up.

[matthew vorgang]

A few things:

1. I honestly only meant to send that email to 4 of the guys involved in cramp up. Everyone receiving it was a accident.

2. I assumed that people weren't willing to change, and so made the decision to just leave. This was a mistake on my part, I should have enough faith in this community to at least try to work through a disagreement.

3. I must be very clear on this, because apparently it didn't come across in the first email. I am not offended or uncomfortable. My feelings on seeing women topless is not what this is about. It is about the community that SOUPA wants to foster. Specifically, does SOUPA want to be a family friendly community? This is the only question that matters, the only thing I am here to ask.

-Matt

P.S. 

Shoutout to Sully, I wouldn't be a professional bannana counter without him.

On Sun, May 6, 2018, 10:10 PM Elizabeth Schyling <elizabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:

I know I missed today but I wanna chime in!

I'm glad we're having an actual conversation about this. I think being really clear in our intentions as a community and having really open and SAFE communication is important! 

Let's all try to trust each other to be open to communication and do our best to welcome one another. 

Personally I think it's a double standard that women need to cover up but men don't, and I love how open frisbee is - especially at tournaments. BUT I'd hate for us to lose members or access to our fields because of something small like music or clothing. I don't think anyone should be sorry for being topless, but unfortunately the US as  whole isn't really comfortable with that, and so unless we want to explicitly make a statement we probably want to walk more middle of the road. (For example, though I like being topless I'm not gonna do it at Fitchner because I could legit lose my opportunity to get teaching jobs - which is sad but true)

Let's bring this forward to pick-up and make sure that we touch base with people in person in the future - because we all love each other and our community and that's the most important part!

Much love, 

Linc

[Kellen Akiyama]

Hello SOUPA

Our actions have consequences.

Recently, we had a team refuse to bid for Cramp Up because we had short video of people drinking on our site. Although we have taken it down, and we apologized to the team, they cannot associate with our "organization" for at least the next few years. What did that do? I would say that by doing something illegal (the video was shot at Fichtner) we immediately made ourselves an "exclusive" organization, an organization that automatically excluded people, people who genuinely wanted to come out and play the game. We wanted to promote the fun of Ultimate, we did not want to promote drinking. But to this team, that was a deal breaker.

I am glad Chris Winder posted that picture of two topless women getting arrested, because it shows context. They are making a statement. The women in the photo have reason, purpose. It is not the same context for what happened yesterday. If I wore a shirt that said: "F--- all the Purple People", it would exclude people, without promoting ultimate as the REASON we are out there.

I think we all have to do the things necessary to be together and play. Even if it means that we can't swear or smoke pot on the field. I like to swear, but when we started this organization over a decade ago, saying the F word was really  really not acceptable! We wanted children, because children meant that we were including mothers, sons, daughters, and fathers. Saying the F word is not against the law at Fichtner, but if it ALIENATEs one person, we cannot take that risk.

Unfortunately, there is again, no board of leadership right now for SOUPA. But I will say this: lots of things have to happen for us to play: namely insurance and having a decent relationship with Medford Parks and Rec. They have the right to kick us off the fields at ANY TIME. We are not so privileged that we can ignore the rules, cultural expectations, and the basic tenets of being a citizen. I know that some of you just think that getting on a field and throwing is without restriction. But we cannot be naive to the fact that the public WATCHES us, and we have a reputation to uphold. (I actually wouldn't be surprised if I get a call from the director of Parks this morning.)

So whatever. Do what you think you have to do. But if your actions jeopardize our playing of Ultimate, that is unfortunate, especially since so many of us have worked so hard to get to play on these fields. (And I will be pissed, personally, cause I really love playing.) It is a privilege to do what we do on Sunday, and not a stage to make a protest- even if you think, individually it's the right thing to do.

I do not want Matt, Tessa, Lindsey, and Josh to leave this community. I will email them to reach out.

Thanks for listening.

Kellen Akiyama

Treasurer, SOUPA

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:40 AM, Kellen Akiyama <kellen....@gmail.com> wrote:

Matt

Please don't go, Matt! Please, this was a really really stupid action on part of a few people, and I don't want it to be a deal-breaker for you and Tess. Both of you have contributed so much to our community and you both are a big part of it! .

Please reconsider. The issue is going to resolve itself, and I plan on emailing the group very soon (I did not have my phone last night, so I was unawares of the explosion.) What can I do for you guys? Is there anything I can do to help you come back into the fold? Please let me know! Can I give you assurances that this won't happen in the future?

Think about it. Let's talk.

Kellen

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 6:34 PM, matthew vorgang <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Kelly Wassell]

Dear friends,

I am saddened and confused that no one addressed their fears with me on the field,

face to face, woman to woman or man to woman.  Josh, I am hurt that you 

did not say something in the moment, since I have only been friendly to you.  

I believe this is a huge problem for our community, this lack of trust. Using an email for 

this topic is disheartening for me.

If people come to me and say, "Having your breasts showing is making me uncomfortable,"

I will gladly consider your feelings.  Sometimes I am more comfortable without a bra. 

Simple and plain.

I don't think I know a body part more "family friendly" than a woman's bosom.  Breasts feed 

babies.

I would tell you that I feel it's important to be topless in public because many places like,

Medford, have laws that ultimately restrict a women's ability to breast feed in public.

These laws are discriminatory and sexist.  If I were given a ticket, I would take it to 

court and I would win because every judge in this fine country knows that they are sexist.

That is why I find it so confusing when folks use "family friendly"  as their reason for saying 

a woman should hide her chest.  

Children learn almost everything from their elders (except how to latch on to a nipple).  

I want to teach every girl that she does not have to be ashamed of her body and has

a right to choose what happens with her body and when.  I want to teach boys 

that women are not sex objects, but are powerful and respected.

I hope all your children learn these important values that keep our women safer and 

more respected than they have been in the last 5,000 years.  I count me luck stars I live 

in a country that honors freedom.  I pay homage to the women and men that came before 

me, giving me a voice.

So I use that voice, and I hope that whomever feels the need will use theirs and talk to me.

Sincerely,

Kelly Wassell

Preach, Winder! ❤️

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[Paul Belson]

Firstly, i think this is getting blown way out of proportion.  Still, i will share some thoughts. I value the ultimate community for its acceptance, tolerance, integrity, and fun-loving open-minded respect for all players; welcoming new players; sharing the great sport of ultimate and the spirit of the game which makes ultimate unique among sports.  I for one support the right of a woman to take her shirt off just as a man can — any time and any place.  Because it is fair.  Otherwise is a total double-standard, sexist and unjust.  It is about taking back the body from the oppressor.  I have been learning about that recently; it is a growing movement. Some will say it is not important. Body-shaming is very unhealthy. Reading here, that point seems to be lost (on some of the male responders..just saying.).  

Living healthily and just in a free country means accepting others.  Certainly nobody intended to cause offense; there was just great ultimate on a gorgeous Sunday.  Glad to see no women apologized.  There is no law that was violated (unless someone can point me to one) so that’s a red herring.

(One thing I must say -- we need not take part in name-calling other people, which i have just read here.  Let’s treat each other with utmost respect.)

I have no idea about the music — i must have missed that.

Matt, i appreciate your clarification.  I think soupa is very open and welcoming to families and encouraging of all people who want to play in the spirit of the game and the community.  I have never heard a mean word spoken on the fields about anyone, ever.  That does not mean we are all the same or should be expected to have the same values. 

See you all on the line….well not for awhile for me :(

Peace.

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[Elizabeth Schyling]

I know I missed today but I wanna chime in!

I'm glad we're having an actual conversation about this. I think being really clear in our intentions as a community and having really open and SAFE communication is important! 

Let's all try to trust each other to be open to communication and do our best to welcome one another. 

Personally I think it's a double standard that women need to cover up but men don't, and I love how open frisbee is - especially at tournaments. BUT I'd hate for us to lose members or access to our fields because of something small like music or clothing. I don't think anyone should be sorry for being topless, but unfortunately the US as  whole isn't really comfortable with that, and so unless we want to explicitly make a statement we probably want to walk more middle of the road. (For example, though I like being topless I'm not gonna do it at Fitchner because I could legit lose my opportunity to get teaching jobs - which is sad but true)

Let's bring this forward to pick-up and make sure that we touch base with people in person in the future - because we all love each other and our community and that's the most important part!

Much love, 

Linc

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[Travis Jantzer]

I didn’t get to reading this email chain until late last night but Cassie and I are on the same page as Matt and Josh and we’re glad they spoke up. We still feel relatively new to the group and didn’t feel like it was our place to say anything but we felt what happened on Sunday was inappropriate and we left really early because of it. Neither Cassie or I will keep playing if that sort of behavior continues. 

-Travis Jantzer 

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[Kelly Wassell]

P.S.  If women have to wear a bra, then it is only fair that guys can never take off their shirts, either.

Or maybe you all would like to wear a bra in solidarity. :)

Wow!.....!

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[Elizabeth Schyling]

Can we all agree to live by Kelly's compromise? No shirtlessness except for that brief moment when you swap from light to dark, regardless of how developed your breast tissue is? This would mean politely asking any new players who do take their shirts off to put them back on to respect our community choice. 

Frisbee is the most important thing in Southern Oregon's ULTIMATE PLAYERS Association. Many people have now expressed that they've felt uncomfortable or saddened or discriminated against. Let's not lose anyone to this,  Kelly and Olivia, Matt or Josh,  everyone is such a valuable and important part if SOUPA.

We need to remember that we are diverse in our backgrounds and values. Which means saying "family friendly" means something entirely different to different people.  Frisbee is not the place to condemn anyone's values if we all want to play together, whether that be pro or anti bare breasts. But it is a place where we should all be able to say,  "hey, I feel X" or "I need Y".

We all love our community.  Let's make a compromise to support everyone by sacrificing a few sunbeams and getting a wee bit sweatier.

Linc

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[Joel Caswell]

This email chain about women’s rights is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the issue, the discussion is about a choosing to moderate actions - be family friendly (PG as James described it) -  in music, word choices, attire, etc….  It is important to most of the people in the SOUPA community.  If we are having trouble agreeing what that is, lets just use a familiar example …. like an elementary school.

  

I suggest reviving the SOUPA board to help deal with issues like this.  Russ and I discussed the idea, and both of us are willing to dedicate some time and energy toward providing ongoing solutions.  

Lets none of us over-react

   

Joel Caswell

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[Zach Zegzdryn]

I completely, 100% support Kelly's compromise. ALL players need to wear clothing that hides their chest, regardless of gender. This removes the double standard and makes the environment more amenable to individuals that voiced concerns. 

Joel, I'm not sure why you felt the need to say how COMPLETELY irrelevant women's rights issues are to this issue. If it's not a gendered issue, then why in my two years here have nobody brought up concerns about shirtless men?  What you said seems like a pretty poor attempt at trying to silence opinions that are different from your own. I would be happy to discuss this and listen to your concerns offline though. 

Regardless, here's a condensed version of what needs to happen so as to be inclusive and "family friendly." 

1) Seeing how I doubt it would be appropriate for a man to be shirtless at an elementary school,  all genders cover your chests at all times (except for switching shirt colors). 

2) Try our best to minimize music with explicit language

3) No drinking (or smoking) at the field as it is unfortunately illegal in public parks (I checked). It would suck hard to lose Fichtner, but I am going to miss my post game Pilsner though.

4) Try to watch your language (especially near kids). That being said, try not to shame people for having a different vocabulary than yourself. 

5) Try our best to be good and respectful to each other and recognize that as a group we have some pretty diverse cultural opinions.

6) Recognize that ultimate tournaments are anything but PG, so trying to police these rules during Cramp Up will probably be incredibly tough. 

As an aside, I do like the idea of a SOUPA board as well. I would be interested in participating in that myself.

Thanks,

Zach

   

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[Russ Causley]

Morning Everyone,

I would like to just propose a plan of sorts for the time being.  We are not going to fix broader political issues or change minds on an email thread, but we can definitely figure out a way to all compromise so people can be mostly comfortable playing frisbee.  Within compromise not all people are going to be completely happy, but not getting everything your way does not mean that nothing goes your way.  I think in the end, we all are here because we want to play frisbee, so if we can get that to happen, good.

Two things to keep in mind as you read:

1. Time and Place - not all of these items are hard and fast rules all of the time in every circumstance, and we can address them as they happen.
2. SOUPA as an Entity - refer to Kellen's email.  He does almost all of the work to allow us to be an organization, so please respect his work by respecting his words.
3. People make mistakes - Whatever side you're on, whatever your stance is, forgiving your fellow players can be one of the most difficult and important things you can do.  If you see actions as inappropriate, trust that your head will not get bitten off if you wish to confront someone about it.  Or go to someone you trust can mediate the situation and discuss.  Please don't just resort to word-battling before an attempt has been made to encounter the situation with an element of logic.

Alright, that all said, how about some proposed guidelines.

1. Music - Avoid overtly profane party songs.  Music is awesome, and should still be played, but you don't have to play Raffi and you don't have to play Bone Thugs.  There is a middle ground, so do your best to find it.
2. Clothing - Regardless of the legal status in our country, for the purposes of SOUPA, if women have to cover up, men have to cover up.  I love having my shirt off, but am happy to make the compromise in order to ensure our women feel supported.  Even if you don't see it as an issue of women's rights, try to open your mind and support those who do.  As Linc said, we can sacrifice a few sunbeams and get a wee bit sweatier to not cause a rift in the community.
3. Alcohol - Drinking is fine, just don't get belligerent or have a party-hardy attitude (not that this has been an issue at all).  When I played in 2012 there were kids everywhere and a good portion of the adults would drink, so it was both a family friendly atmosphere and a place to drink and socialize.  Absolutely doable for both sides.
4. Confrontation - We all deserve the benefit of the doubt from one another, always. Keep your eyes open, see how people are feeling.  If you see someone who is uncomfortable and you think it has to do with you, address it.  If you are uncomfortable, trust you will be heard if you speak to someone, and bring in another party if necessary.  This does not mean you will necessarily get your way, but don't ignore everything and let it fester. Also, if you're uncomfortable, keep in mind that it is likely not the intention of the person to be doing what they're doing to make you feel bad.

Bear in mind these can be adjusted, shifted, and refined so we can all play frisbee in peace. We can accomplish having SOUPA be a fun place where people can both cut loose a little and bring their kids to hang out.  It has been done in the past and can be done again, and will not require anyone to give up all of their personal beliefs forever, but will absolutely require some compromise.  

Henceforth, please do NOT post on this email thread unless you are doing so in an effort to actually create compromise through actions or plans.  Forgive one another, and let's make an effort to move toward something, instead of away from each other.  Take 2 minutes today to sit alone today, figuring out what it is you exactly want, and how you want other people to feel when they are part of SOUPA.

Peace,

Russ

[Joel Caswell]

I am in favor of Russ’s proposed “code of conduct”  perhaps we can add to it over time - things like sportsmanship, volunteering, etc...

Zach, I brought a common example (school) so as not to mention my personal opinion on the individual principles - mine is also irrelevant.  However I think you might be surprised...

Joel Caswell

[Jim]

Opinions on what “family friendly” means would be a  better topic for a open board meeting. I have been a part of this community for very long time and have seen every body part imaginable on the field.

Every Ultimate community uses the venues made available to them and each one comes with its own set of rules.  I’ve been to many tournaments where for the sake of the host community, drinking on the fields was strictly prohibited. So for the sake of that community, out of respect, we didn’t drink on the field.  The culture of ultimate has always involved nudity, vulgarness, weed and beer. There has always been and there should always be a self awareness of when and what is appropriate. If it compromises  the communities relationship with city parks to secure field space  then obviously there should be restraint. 

I am a Christian conservative and have had  few issues with the culture of Ultimate. My advice to all of the ranting emailers out there is, do what is best for your family, do what is best for the community and then drink beer and talk about boobs! It would be way more fun than all of this nonsense. 

Jim Castellano

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521 Haven Rd. 

Jacksonville, OR 97530

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(541) 282-3665

[Jadene Mayla]

Hi, I have moved away and all of my requests to unsubscribe from these emails get bounced back from the SOUPA list.  Respectfully please take me off, thanks. 

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