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wolfbat359

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Nov 7, 2016, 4:38:07 PM11/7/16
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/has-trump-driven-jews-away-from-the-republican-party/506735/


How Much Jewish Support Will Trump Cost the Republican Party?

The presidential nominee’s campaign has brought anti-Semitism into the mainstream in ways not recently seen—and his party may pay the price for years to come.


This was the year that anti-Semitism went mainstream again. On Tuesday, American Jews will have a chance to register their vote about a presidential candidate whose campaign has trafficked in anti-Semitic rhetoric, symbols, and organizations unlike any other seen in recent years. When politically conservative Jews go to vote, they will have to decide whether they can pull the lever or touch the screen in favor of Donald Trump after all of this has been so prevalent in his campaign.

We don’t know what Trump is thinking behind the scenes. Many of his supporters have pointed to the very obvious fact that his son-in-law is Jewish, his daughter is a Jew by choice, and together they are raising a religiously observant family in New York City. Trump has denied repeatedly that he has any sympathy whatsoever with the venom that has been unleashed against the Jewish community in the course of this campaign. ...

rumpelstiltskin

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Nov 7, 2016, 5:59:41 PM11/7/16
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:38:04 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
<wolfb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/has-trump-driven-jews-away-from-the-republican-party/506735/
>
>
>How Much Jewish Support Will Trump Cost the Republican Party?



There are Jewish Republicans? I guess there must be some, but it's
hard to imagine there'd be very many!



>
>The presidential nominee’s campaign has brought anti-Semitism into the mainstream in ways not recently seen—and his party may pay the price for years to come.
>
>
>This was the year that anti-Semitism went mainstream again. On Tuesday, American Jews will have a chance to register their vote about a presidential candidate whose campaign has trafficked in anti-Semitic rhetoric, symbols, and organizations unlike any other seen in recent years. When politically conservative Jews go to vote, they will have to decide whether they can pull the lever or touch the screen in favor of Donald Trump after all of this has been so prevalent in his campaign.
>
>We don’t know what Trump is thinking behind the scenes. Many of his supporters have pointed to the very obvious fact that his son-in-law is Jewish, his daughter is a Jew by choice, and together they are raising a religiously observant family in New York City. Trump has denied repeatedly that he has any sympathy whatsoever with the venom that has been unleashed against the Jewish community in the course of this campaign. ...


I don't see from the above that Trump himself said anything
anti-Semitic, though perhaps I just wasn't paying attention.
It would fall right in with many of his other statements though.

Gary

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Nov 7, 2016, 6:00:05 PM11/7/16
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:38:04 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359 <wolfb...@gmail.com>
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I don't see how anybody could claim Trump is anti-Jewish. Think of all the
Jewish bankers whose families have been supported by the interests on Trump
loans.

GLOBALIST

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Nov 7, 2016, 6:24:53 PM11/7/16
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Trump's daughter converted to Judaism and married a Jew
and he has Jewish grandchildren, whom he dearly loves
Obviously he has never said a word about Jewish Americans.

wizardr...@msn.com

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Nov 7, 2016, 7:30:25 PM11/7/16
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Nobody can figure them out. Obama's Dems have spent the last eight years reaming their asses and yet they stay loyal to them. They're like the moths who get their wings singed as they get drawn to a flame.....for some reason being unable to resist the temptation to getting burnt.

El Castor

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Nov 7, 2016, 7:46:41 PM11/7/16
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:40:45 -0500, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:59:42 -0800, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:38:04 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
>><wolfb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/has-trump-driven-jews-away-from-the-republican-party/506735/
>
>>>How Much Jewish Support Will Trump Cost the Republican Party?
>
>> There are Jewish Republicans? I guess there must be some, but it's
>>hard to imagine there'd be very many!
>
>The Republicans are more staunch in their support for Israel than the
>Democrats are. And, of course, the evangelical hordes want to protect
>Israel because Jesus is coming back soon and we all know he's going to
>come to Israel.
>
Republicans are much more staunch in their support of Israel. It's not
clear that Obama even sees any connection between the words, support
and Israel. However, many sectarian Jews don't seem to be particularly
supportive of Israel, either. Hillary will probably get their vote,
and then try to broker a phony "peace" deal -- a deal that will end
with a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

wolfbat359

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Nov 7, 2016, 8:16:44 PM11/7/16
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It is a long article! From the article:

"Regardless of his intention, though, it is undeniable that the Republican campaign has done more than any other in modern U.S. history to connect a mainstream party to this sentiment. Indeed, the closing ad of the Trump campaign is really shocking. Trump says: “The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. For those who control the levers of power in Washington and for the global special interests, they partner with these people that don’t have your good in mind.” Viewers see images of the billionaire George Soros, Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, and Lloyd Blankfein, CEO and Chairman of Goldman Sachs, all of whom are Jews.

Trump’s words come directly from the audio of a speech that he delivered in Palm Beach about a global conspiracy, after which he came under heavy attack for employing the kind of words used in the Protocols of Zion. “This is an anti-Semitics ad,” wrote Josh Marshall, “every bit as much as the infamous Jesse Helms ‘white hands’ ad or the Willie Horton ad were anti-African-American racist ads. Which is to say, really anti-Semitic.” Rabbi Jonah Dov Pesner, the director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, released a statement that said: “We denounce, in the strongest possible terms, the use of contemptuous and historically anti-Semitic tropes in the recent campaign ad of presidential candidate Donald Trump. References to ‘the establishment’ and a ‘global power structure,’ juxtaposed over images of Jewish public figures, create thinly-veiled allusions to centuries-old anti-Semitic propaganda. This latest ad is, regrettably, part of a pattern of the use of such words and imagery that has been repeated by the Trump campaign over many months.”"

El Castor

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Nov 8, 2016, 3:13:55 AM11/8/16
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:16:12 -0500, Emily <Em...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Why do American Presidents keep trying to broker peace deals with the
>Palestinians? It seems to me tantamount to trying to make a timber
>rattler a household pet. Who would be likely to nuke Jerusalem?
>Bolivia? Canada? No, someone in the neighborhood, someone who
>believes that Jews are the descendents of pigs and apes and should be
>killed just because they're Jews. Why would we trust any of them? Is
>it a triumph of hope over experience?

I like the way you think. (-8

I was actually a supporter of the Palestinian cause, but the last
straw for me was reading about the meeting that Bill Clinton and
Dennis Ross had with Arafat in the Oval Office in January 2000. Ross
had negotiated a very fair deal with the Israelis. Arafat turned it
down, and went back to Ramallah where he ramped up the Second
Intifadah. Islamists still want Spain back. They will never give up on
Israel. Sooner or later they will get their hands on a nuke. Israel
will not go quietly into the night. When that happens I wouldn't want
to be down wind of the Middle East.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 8, 2016, 5:22:33 AM11/8/16
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On 11/7/2016 5:16 PM, Emily wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:46:37 -0800, El Castor
> Why do American Presidents keep trying to broker peace deals with the
> Palestinians? It seems to me tantamount to trying to make a timber
> rattler a household pet. Who would be likely to nuke Jerusalem?
> Bolivia? Canada? No, someone in the neighborhood, someone who
> believes that Jews are the descendents of pigs and apes and should be
> killed just because they're Jews. Why would we trust any of them? Is
> it a triumph of hope over experience?

How should the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved?

Gary

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Nov 8, 2016, 8:06:48 AM11/8/16
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I think we should love both of them. After all -- they are of the same family:

"..A DNA study of Jews and Palestinian Arabs (including Bedouins) found that
these were more closely related to each other than to people of the Arabian
Peninsula..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

Although I do have trouble loving Palestinians. Just call an anti-semite.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 8, 2016, 11:04:11 AM11/8/16
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On 11/8/2016 5:06 AM, Emily wrote:
> Maybe we should just accept the fact that it will never be resolved
> and give up. As long as Islam is Islam, I don't believe there is a
> solution.

So, the status quo holds where Israel occupies the Palestinians without
giving them citizenship rights?

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 8, 2016, 12:50:09 PM11/8/16
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On 11/8/2016 9:20 AM, Emily wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 08:04:08 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
> If they were citizens they'd have the right to vote and if there were
> enough of them they'd probably vote in Hamas. If it were up to me, I
> wouldn't give any of them citizenship until they denounced Islam. The
> Israelis would never make them eat a ham sandwich but they could make
> them kiss a dog and burn a Koran.
>
> Surely you know by now that you're not going to change my mind about
> Israel. I don't even pretend to be rational on the subject. They
> could blow up that ugly mosque the Muslims built on the temple site
> and I'd cheer. Everything about Islam makes my skin crawl.

At least your honest about not being rational, even up to supporting
perpetual apartheid (that's what is when you deny citizenship based on
race) in the West Bank. But, that is not something I'd be proud of.

El Castor

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Nov 8, 2016, 4:49:31 PM11/8/16
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 09:50:04 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
We could argue this endlessly (which I don't intend to do), but in my
view Emily is exactly correct. Islam will not rest until Israel is
eradicated. There can be no peace deals. The Palestinians will not
accept a peace settlement, but if they did, they would not honor it.
From the Islamic perspective Israel is Muslim land, and will continue
to be Muslim land for all eternity.

Here is a transcript of an interview with Dennis Ross who was present
in the Oval Office when Bill Clinton made his peace offer on behalf of
Israel. Ross explains in detail what was offered.

"Dennis Ross on Fox News Sunday
Published April 21, 2002 FoxNews.com
Following is a transcripted excerpt from Fox News Sunday, April 21,
2002."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/04/21/dennis-ross-on-fox-news-sunday.html

As I've said, at one time I was rabidly anti-Israel -- the product of
exposure to Palestinian propaganda (I am a reader) without listening
to the Israeli side. I was invited to the Jordanian embassy for a
national celebration, and the Israeli embassy got so sick of my
letters that they literally returned them unopened. Then I took an
interest in at least listening to the Israeli perspective, and I
gradually came to realize that I had been very wrong. Put aside your
politics and look at this objectively. Emily is being completely
rational. You are the one with a problem.

El Castor

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Nov 8, 2016, 5:08:44 PM11/8/16
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I suspect that Sephardic (Middle Eastern) Jews and Arabs probably are
genetically similar, but Ashkenazi Jews (Eastern European) do seem to
be substantially different. They are smarter than their Middle Eastern
cousins, and also subject to genetic diseases that Middle Easterners
don't get. There is a theory (which some believe borders on
anti-Semitism) that a Turkic tribe called the Khazars was trapped
between Christians on one side and Islam on the other, and decided to
adopt Judaism as a means of fending off both sides. Google Khazar and
your computer may burst into flames. (-8

billbowden

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Nov 8, 2016, 10:00:24 PM11/8/16
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"Emily" <Em...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:86j32cp4ehote75rg...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 02:22:28 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe we should just accept the fact that it will never be resolved
> and give up. As long as Islam is Islam, I don't believe there is a
> solution.
>

Well, it's the same in the US where we occupy the native indian's land and
have no intention of giving it back, so why should Israel give any land
back? And they have 200 nuclear weapons to support that idea.



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rumpelstiltskin

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Nov 9, 2016, 1:40:58 AM11/9/16
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It's also the same as the Nazis when they took Northen
Europe from France to the Russian border and beyond, of
course. The only difference is that the Nazis were
eventually defeated. It's sometimes said that "might
makes right". One might argue that's immoral, but it's
almost all of the story of history.



El Castor

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Nov 9, 2016, 4:17:13 AM11/9/16
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:00:19 -0800, "billbowden"
<bpe...@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> wrote:

>
Rumors of thermonuclear devices, and even the dreaded neutron bomb.
And five German ballistic missile submarines -- soon to be nine.
Israel might be destroyed, but several of those subs are always going
to be at sea.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 9, 2016, 10:36:25 AM11/9/16
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You think apartheid on the West Bank is justified?

mg

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Nov 9, 2016, 11:58:25 AM11/9/16
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:38:04 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
<wolfb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know why people write long, speculative articles like this
and I don't know why anyone would want to read them. If somebody
wanted to know the answer to that question, all they have to do is
wait a few days and look at the exit polls and, besides that, Trump
won, anyway.



El Castor

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Nov 9, 2016, 3:34:27 PM11/9/16
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 07:36:21 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
I think the West Bank should have been cut loose, as Gaza was. That
was a central element in the Dennis Ross/Israeli proposal. An Israeli
presence In the midst of a substantial Muslim population, like that of
the West Bank, will NEVER work. It is the nature of Islam, and
particularly Arab Islam, to fight the Infidel -- the worst of all
Infidels, in their view, being Jews. Call it apartheid if you wish. I
believe it is justified by necessity.

Israel is a product of the Holocaust. I completely understand how and
why it came about, and I support the Jews of Israel in their endeavor.
However, given the nature of Islam, I fear that Israel is an
experiment that will not end well.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 9, 2016, 4:28:18 PM11/9/16
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Cutting the West Bank loose, including the withdrawal of Israeli
settlements, wouldn't be apartheid. What is apartheid is the status quo.

El Castor

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Nov 10, 2016, 1:49:25 AM11/10/16
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:28:15 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>
Israel cut loose Gaza, and how did the Muslims of Gaza respond? By
smuggling in rockets and weapons by sea and tunnel, and attacking
Israel. If Hamas/Fatah wants the West Bank then they should make a
serious proposal to Israel -- one involving specific territory,
recognition of Israel, acceptance of a UN peace keeping force, and a
promise of peace -- without an expiration date. They of course won't
do that because they intend to reclaim all of Palestine for Allah, and
kill, or drive into the sea, every last Jew.

If you believe I am wrong, then perhaps you should draw up a fair
agreement, fly to Israel, seek out Hamas, and ask them to please let
you help them find peace. Offer to be a good faith intermediary. Best
of luck with that -- and be sure your will is up to date before
embarking on your mission of peace. (-8

Hamas to kids -- Shoot All The Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ

Palestinian kids TV show with a terrorist Jew-eating rabbit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v_IaFWWARw

Horrors of Hamas and Stupidity of Westerners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PILiMkc8mXE

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 10, 2016, 11:05:33 AM11/10/16
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I believe you haven't responded to my post. I'll try again. Are you
calling for unilateral Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank?

wolfbat359

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Nov 10, 2016, 11:32:37 AM11/10/16
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The Leader of Palestine who signed such an agreement would be dead in a few days!

El Castor

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Nov 10, 2016, 2:46:33 PM11/10/16
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:05:25 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
No, the train has left the station on that one. I wouldn't presume to
"call for" anything. I will trust the judgment of the people of Israel
to decide the fate of the West Bank. I do regret that Palestinian
Arabs rejected the very sensible and generous offer that Dennis Ross
negotiated with Israel in 2000. An offer that would have returned
almost all of the West Bank and carved off a piece of Israel to
compensate for the settlements that were incorporated into Israel.
Seemed fair at the time, but as I said, the train has left the
station. And I would also remind you that Jordan renounced all claims
to the West Bank in 1988.

Here is a question for you. Are you calling on Algeria, Egypt, Iraq,
Libya, Morocco, Syria, and Yemen to return homes, land, and businesses
to between 800,000 and one million Jews forced to leave those
countries after 1948 with nothing more than a suitcase and the shirt
on their back?

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 10, 2016, 3:31:27 PM11/10/16
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As of now, the fate is the status quo - apartheid in the West Bank.

> I do regret that Palestinian
> Arabs rejected the very sensible and generous offer that Dennis Ross
> negotiated with Israel in 2000. An offer that would have returned
> almost all of the West Bank and carved off a piece of Israel to
> compensate for the settlements that were incorporated into Israel.
> Seemed fair at the time, but as I said, the train has left the
> station. And I would also remind you that Jordan renounced all claims
> to the West Bank in 1988.
>
> Here is a question for you. Are you calling on Algeria, Egypt, Iraq,
> Libya, Morocco, Syria, and Yemen to return homes, land, and businesses
> to between 800,000 and one million Jews forced to leave those
> countries after 1948 with nothing more than a suitcase and the shirt
> on their back?

No. Nor am I calling on Israel to do likewise for the Palestinians
displaced in 1948.

El Castor

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Nov 10, 2016, 3:59:10 PM11/10/16
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:31:23 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
When the Palestinians put down their rocks, guns, bombs, and knives,
maybe that will change. Meantime, take care that the Jew eating rabbit
doesn't get you.

By the way, my wife just discovered that she is genetically 2% Jewish,
so she ordered a menorah from Amazon and it will share our living room
with the Christmas tree. (-8

Josh Rosenbluth

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Nov 10, 2016, 4:43:32 PM11/10/16
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So again I ask, do you think apartheid on the West Bank is justified?

El Castor

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Nov 10, 2016, 8:10:53 PM11/10/16
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:43:29 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
Yes, absolutely.

wolfbat359

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Nov 10, 2016, 8:44:40 PM11/10/16
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http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/PA-textbooks-support-violence-and-demonization-of-Israel-Jews-report-finds-456000

PA textbooks support violence and demonization of Israel, Jews, report finds

Palestinian Authority school books continue to promote violence and demonization of Israel and Jews.

The study, carried out by Impact-SE, found encouraging signs relating to gender issues, civil society, the environment, respect for the “other” Muslim or Arab, and respect for people with disabilities and the elderly.

However, the curricula convey a message rejecting negotiations with Israel and promote a strategy combining violence and international pressure against Israel.

It also promotes the “demonization of Israel and Jews, including the characterization of Israel as an evil entity that should be annihilated,” the report found. ....
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