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walt tonne

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Jan 12, 2011, 7:55:01 AM1/12/11
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All this talking about rhetoric leading to an "atmosphere" of hate
etc.,is not the true story.
Southern Arizona is under seige by a flood of illegal aliens.
Congresswoman Giffords while
talking about securing the border is an advocate for immigration
reform to include amnesty.
The only reason she retained her seat, 4,000 votes, is because a a
massive campaign among
hispanic voters. Time to talk about "atmosphere" created when an
elected offical goes against
the will of their constituents.

GLOBALIST

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Jan 12, 2011, 8:12:08 AM1/12/11
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Of course it was an issue fanned up by their cunt governor, who lied
about headless folks lying in the desert , the higher rate of crime
(which was a lie also based on the records) and her hatred directed at
her Hispanic citizens.

BobWhite

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Jan 12, 2011, 8:21:44 AM1/12/11
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when will libs learn that they can't make up reality and then push it on
the masses. reality is what it is.

Ken

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Jan 12, 2011, 8:27:17 AM1/12/11
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Is her alleged hatred directed at the legal or illegal Hispanics? It
would seem to me that a person who is breaking the law (such as the
shooter in Tucson or those who had entered the country illegally)
deserves to be punished and not ignored. Also, I think if you
investigate those incarcerated you will discover a large percentage who
ARE Hispanic, so there is substance to the concern about higher crime.

BobWhite

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Jan 12, 2011, 8:44:48 AM1/12/11
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but the shooter was not responsible for his actions. he was mind
controlled by the evil genius from Alaska, Sara Palin.

Mr.Sandman

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Jan 12, 2011, 8:55:49 AM1/12/11
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On 1/12/2011 7:55 AM, walt tonne wrote:
> All this talking about rhetoric leading to an "atmosphere" of hate
> etc.,is not the true story.

Why is it not a true story? Was the shooter expressing his love for his
victims?

> Southern Arizona is under seige by a flood of illegal aliens.

If they are from Mexico, they should not be called illegal aliens. They
should be considered as fellow North Americans. This requires a change
of thinking and perspective. And a change of rules and regulations with
the neighbor to the south.

> Congresswoman Giffords while
> talking about securing the border is an advocate for immigration
> reform to include amnesty.

What is wrong with that? Sounds to me like she is a very rational person
who is seeking a realistic solution to a problem.

> The only reason she retained her seat, 4,000 votes, is because a a
> massive campaign among
> hispanic voters.

So Hispanic voters should not have a say in anything?

Time to talk about "atmosphere" created when an
> elected offical goes against
> the will of their constituents.

So Hispanic voters are not part of her constituents?

walt tonne

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:08:58 AM1/12/11
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Giffords has recently being "talking tough" about securing the border.
Meantime her amnesty position encourages more
breeders to cross our southern border.

GlennR

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:13:04 AM1/12/11
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"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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you're as bad as the other side, those hispanics aren't citizens, they're
criminals and should be arrested, deported,according to the law


GlennR

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:13:52 AM1/12/11
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"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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her " hatred" ???

you're as bad as the other side

prove she hates anyone or shut the hell up


The PHANTOM

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:13:50 AM1/12/11
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Lies?? Where the fuck do you get your "facts",MOVEON.org?? DailyKos??
George Soros's Facebook page??

GlennR

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:14:54 AM1/12/11
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"BobWhite" <s...@cecar.invalid> wrote in message
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when will you learn to shut the hell up and not display your ignorance and
stupidity in public,
not to mention your 4 eyed, hairy, obese, ugly, smelly fat ass


Ramon F Herrera

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:40:18 AM1/12/11
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On Jan 12, 7:27 am, Ken <K...@invalid.com> wrote:
> GLOBALIST wrote:
> > Of course it was an issue fanned up by their cunt governor, who lied
> > about headless folks lying in the desert , the higher rate of crime
> > (which was a lie also based on the records) and her hatred directed at
> > her Hispanic citizens.
>

> Is her alleged hatred directed at the legal or illegal Hispanics?

(1) There is little difference between legal and illegal Hispanics,
especially in Arizona.

(2) It was NOT our idea.

-Ramon The Hispanic

Ramon F Herrera

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:42:51 AM1/12/11
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On Jan 12, 7:27 am, Ken <K...@invalid.com> wrote:
> GLOBALIST wrote:
> > Of course it was an issue fanned up by their cunt governor, who lied
> > about headless folks lying in the desert , the higher rate of crime
> > (which was a lie also based on the records) and her hatred directed at
> > her Hispanic citizens.
>
>         Is her alleged hatred directed at the legal or illegal Hispanics?  It
> would seem to me that a person who is breaking the law (such as the
> shooter in Tucson or those who had entered the country illegally)

> Also, I think if you investigate those incarcerated you will


> discover a large percentage who ARE Hispanic, so there is substance
> to the concern about higher crime.

You just violated the US Constitution. Its 4th. Amendment, to be more
specific.

-Ramon

Ramon F Herrera

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Jan 12, 2011, 9:45:50 AM1/12/11
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Most criminal are poor. Using that as a premise, care to arrive to
another stupid conclusion??

-Ramon

GLOBALIST

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Jan 12, 2011, 10:06:16 AM1/12/11
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I can't wait to see AZ's governor making all nicey nicey over Pres
Obama when he arrives there today. Butter will melt in her mouth.
ARIZONA is the cess pool of the western states. The state records
proved that crime went down in the state, at the time she was ranting
and raving with her bullshit. I make no distinction between legal and
non-legal Hispanics. I do not run around playing Dick Tracey thinking
I know either. I am just tickled pink that Hispanics, as we speak, are
the largest minority group in the United States. And as they gain
more political clout, we will see Calf, Az and New Mexico go back to
it's original native citizens.

Fred Brown

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Jan 12, 2011, 10:28:01 AM1/12/11
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"walt tonne" <tonnew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Since Jared Loughner is not talking no one knows his reason(s) for the
attack.
Therefore your speculation is baseless.

Robert not Roberto

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Jan 12, 2011, 12:29:42 PM1/12/11
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"Ramon F Herrera" <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in message
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Except that one is here illegally and should be deported.


Robert not Roberto

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Jan 12, 2011, 12:30:57 PM1/12/11
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Violated the Constitution by posting in a newsgroup? Interesting.


Red Cloud

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Jan 12, 2011, 12:49:12 PM1/12/11
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On Jan 12, 9:29 am, "Robert not Roberto" <b...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F Herrera" <gopos...@jonjay.com> wrote in messagenews:1125c27c-3c36-4bf7...@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

The guy with Hispanic surname like Herrera might be an illegal or
anchor babe.

Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year

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Jan 12, 2011, 12:51:59 PM1/12/11
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She also voted for the bankster bailouts of 2008. She's a crook no
doubt. Like most congresscriminals she loves those corporate bribes
and to hell with the citizens.

SaPeIsMa

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Jan 12, 2011, 1:13:55 PM1/12/11
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"BobWhite" <s...@cecar.invalid> wrote in message
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Just like Bush was controlled by those evil Geniuses Rove and Cheney
I find it so amazing that people on the right are able to produce these
mind-controlling evil geniuses, and yet are unable to use them to control
all the sheeple on the left.

The PHANTOM

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Jan 12, 2011, 1:23:32 PM1/12/11
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> all the sheeple on the left.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUT,BUTWHADDABOUTBUSH ???!!!!
WAAAAHHHAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!! Care for some cheese
with that pitiful whine??

walt tonne

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Jan 12, 2011, 2:05:07 PM1/12/11
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> anchor babe.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Herrera boasts of being a Jew. He totally follows the Jewish
multiculturalist agenda.

Red Cloud

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Jan 12, 2011, 2:09:47 PM1/12/11
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Original native is an American indian, not Spanish speaking Mestizo.
Apache is famous for protecting against intruding Mexican Indio.
There is huge difference between American Indian and Mestizo from
Southern border. If you don't know the difference, you are fucked up
by mental liberal disorderliness

Michael Savage: "Liberalism is mental disorder!"

Not Sure

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Jan 12, 2011, 2:17:26 PM1/12/11
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On Jan 12, 7:06 am, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another self-hating white liberal dipshit. Please kill yourself.

Not Sure

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Jan 12, 2011, 2:21:03 PM1/12/11
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ROFL, not only replying to yourself, but mangling your two line
response in the process? LOL, thanks for displaying your hysterical
anger for all to see :)

>
> -Ramon

Chip Wood

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:13:09 PM1/12/11
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On 1/12/2011 5:55 AM, walt tonne wrote:
> All this talking about rhetoric leading to an "atmosphere" of hate
> etc.,is not the true story.
> Southern Arizona is under seige by a flood of illegal aliens.
> Congresswoman Giffords while
> talking about securing the border is an advocate for immigration
> reform to include amnesty.
> The only reason she retained her seat, 4,000 votes, is because a a
> massive campaign among
> hispanic voters. Time to talk about "atmosphere" created when an
> elected offical goes against
> the will of their constituents.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.!!!!! I live here and nothing of the sort is going
on. In fact, FBI stats show that crime in AZ has gone down in the last
10 years and 2009 was the safest in 1/2 a century. Phoenix and Tucson
are among the safest cites in the US. In fact, almost all border cities
are safer than the rest of the nation. Those were just Republican lies,
led by our shit-for-brains governor and racist State Senate Leader, and
push the fear Senator McClain.

There are horrible crimes going on IN Mexico, but not north of the border.

BTW, she was a Dem pushing for immigration reform.

Chip

Don't cross-post it is the sign of an idiot.

Chip Wood

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:18:59 PM1/12/11
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So you don't believe the FBI stats or somebody who has lived in both
Tucson and Phoenix for over 15 years. Where do you get your information
on "reality"?

Chip

Don't cross-post, it is the sign of an idiot.


Chip Wood

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:35:13 PM1/12/11
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Not higher crime, but lower according to the FBI stats. The lower
income bracket always has a high percentage of prisioners. As the
general popultion of Hispanics rise, so does their convictions. But
having racist law enforcement and politicians might also have something
to do with that.

Chip

Don't cross post it is the sign of senility.

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:38:23 PM1/12/11
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Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in news:1125c27c-3c36-4bf7-9340-
75484a...@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

Um, yes there is. One entered the country legally, one did not. One is working
with legal diocuments, the other has committed ID fraud.

IOW one is a legal citizen and one is a felon.

>
> (2) It was NOT our idea.
>
> -Ramon The Hispanic
>

--
Ramon F Herrera, Secret Foreign Agent of a Secret Foreign Government,
funneling Secret Foreign Money through the criminal Chamber of Commerce.

Obama and Slow Joe
Said it was so,
They weren't lieing
Say it ain't so!

The same chamber that he uses his membership in to "prove" what a good
American he is.

Why won't he address this? What has he got to hide?

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:39:24 PM1/12/11
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Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in
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You just violated your parole. Go home to Uncle Hugo.

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:40:39 PM1/12/11
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Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in
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That it is OK for poor people to lill, rob abd rape?

You dipshit, things are building to a backlash.

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:42:40 PM1/12/11
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GLOBALIST <free....@gmail.com> wrote in news:55076571-03db-4913-a868-
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> I make no distinction between legal and
> non-legal Hispanics.

Then you are a criminal emabler. The backlash is coming.

--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:44:00 PM1/12/11
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GLOBALIST <free....@gmail.com> wrote in news:55076571-03db-4913-a868-
05870e...@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com:

> And as they gain


> more political clout, we will see Calf, Az and New Mexico go back to
> it's original native citizens.
>

Yo mean the American indians?

Or are you a traitor advocating for a breakup of the union and the theft of
American proprty?

Gray Ghost

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Jan 12, 2011, 3:45:56 PM1/12/11
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The PHANTOM <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:461df6b3-2107-4e11-9b34-
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He smears his stool on hismface and then looks in the mirror. He then reads
the messages contained in the smears.

Lookout

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Jan 12, 2011, 4:28:51 PM1/12/11
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:38:23 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>Ramon F Herrera <gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote in news:1125c27c-3c36-4bf7-9340-
>75484a...@a10g2000vby.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jan 12, 7:27 am, Ken <K...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> GLOBALIST wrote:
>>> > Of course it was an issue fanned up by their cunt governor, who lied
>>> > about headless folks lying in the desert , the higher rate of crime
>>> > (which was a lie also based on the records) and her hatred directed at
>>> > her Hispanic citizens.
>>>
>>
>> > Is her alleged hatred directed at the legal or illegal Hispanics?
>>
>> (1) There is little difference between legal and illegal Hispanics,
>> especially in Arizona.
>
>Um, yes there is. One entered the country legally, one did not. One is working
>with legal diocuments, the other has committed ID fraud.
>
>IOW one is a legal citizen and one is a felon.

See? We CAN agree on something.

Lookout

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Jan 12, 2011, 4:29:45 PM1/12/11
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:42:40 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>GLOBALIST <free....@gmail.com> wrote in news:55076571-03db-4913-a868-
>05870e...@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I make no distinction between legal and
>> non-legal Hispanics.
>
>Then you are a criminal emabler. The backlash is coming.

And there should be a law against people like you, Globalist

El Castor

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Jan 12, 2011, 5:25:09 PM1/12/11
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:18:59 -0700, Chip Wood <chip....@gmail.com>
wrote:

You're right, Chip. I looked it up. I also took a peek at a list of
the 25 most dangerous cities in America. Two are within 20 miles of
here. None of the 25 was on the border (except maybe Detroit), but all
25 did have one thing in common -- populations descended from, how
shall I put this, involuntary African immigrants.

1. St. Louis, MO
2. Camden, NJ
3. Detroit, MI
4. Flint, MI
5. Oakland, CA
6. Richmond, CA
7. Cleveland, OH
8. Compton, CA
9. Gary, IN
10. Birmingham, AL
11. Baltimore, MD
12. Memphis, TN
13. New Orleans, LA
14. Jackson, MS
15. Little Rock, AR
16. Baton Rouge, LA
17. Buffalo, NY
18. New Haven, CT
19. Hartford, CT
20. Dayton, OH
21. Kansas City, MO
22. Washington, DC
23. Newark, NJ
24. Cincinnati, OH
25. Atlanta, GA

GlennR

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Jan 13, 2011, 1:06:31 AM1/13/11
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"Fred Brown" <fredb...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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how about you shut the hell up gomer ?

since when have you 4 eyed, hairy, obese, smelly hillbilly beasts ever been
right ?

save your hillbilly bullshit for the fat ass hillbilly hawgs down to the
honky tonk goober


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