Do they plan an episode on "Seattle: the largest city never to have had a
subway system"?
Well, it's not so bad being stuck on the 520 floating bridge on these warm
spring days when the UW rowing team is out there practicing shirtless.
YUM!
peterh at p b t dot com
> Mike McManus, coaxing money from potential PBS contributors during last
> night's pledge break.
I'm bummed I missed this.
> ObMotss: that cute little Dan Derouchie occasionally on channel 10's 11:00
> news, but not tonight. waaaah.
Well, that cute little Dan Derouchie asked me to call him so we could go out
and eat dinner, to my shock and amazement since I was not expecting to be
picked up. This was in October at Rochester's first Deaf Expo, to which he'd
come with his cameraman to do a short spot for the local news. I'm so sorry I
didn't know you adored him, otherwise I would have given you his business card
and home phone number. I still have it (just found it in my filing system, aka
mess, on my desk); want it? Do let me know if he truly becomes a motss.
Katie, who isn't into dating male newscasters at this stage in her life
> This was in October at Rochester's first Deaf Expo,
Curious, is this a convention for the hearing-imparied? Or a huge dating fest
for people who just act deaf when it's time to make a committment?
If the former, can we look forward to a Blind Expo, a Morbidly Obese Expo, a
TTU Expo (Too Terminally Unique).
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> Mike McManus, coaxing money from potential PBS contributors during last
> night's pledge break.
Yep. We Chorines do the pledge breaks the Sunday before our Christmas and March
concerts to try to get a little free publicity.
Unfortunately, we had some of the most godawful programming to contend with
that night. They were running a three-hour documentary on the 1940's, which I
thought was going to be a musical retrospective.
Instead, we and the audience at home were treated to an Episcopal bishop in
everyday ecclesiastical drag (purple shirt and Roman collar) describing in
graphic detail how he and other American soldiers used to throw bloated
Japanese corpses into foxholes in front of them to scare off the rest of the
Japanese troops.
This was followed in close succession by a narration by Charles Durning (whom
Rocky Horror fans know and love as Chuckie, the man with *no* *fucking*
*neck*), then back to the studio for yours truly and the pledge pitch.
We took not a single pledge that break, just somebody carping about the lady
who was giving the shpiel, and some poor confused soul who thought he was in
the Army once, but wasn't sure.
> ObRochester: It's so unexciting around here that when a reasonably has-been
> movie star stops for a nosh it makes the newspaper. Wm Hurt ate at a place
> down the street. Nobody knows why he was here. Three column-inches for that?
You wouldn't believe the amount of coverage General Hospital got when they
filmed a few episodes around here. It's a little known fact that Port Charles
is actually Rochester.
> ObMotss: that cute little Dan Derouchie occasionally on channel 10's 11:00
> news, but not tonight. waaaah.
Haven't seen him yet. I always thought Bill Pucko was cute though.
> David, living in "the smallest city to build then abandon a subway system"
> according to the PBS show I briefly watched. I'm not sure why that's
> historically important but I guess it's good enough for an hour on TV (next:
> "Los Angeles: the largest city to build then abandon a subway system" but I
> bet that's a few years off).
And that guy in the funny hat on the special has been in the newspaper a lot
lately, having been ordered to sell his little museum in Victor.
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No, it's just that he's a totally clueless twit who can't keep
himself from shitting on the carpet every time he opens his mouth.
Ayana
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I swear my ship is coming in!"
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On 17 Mar 1998, david s. broudy wrote:
> ObRochester: It's so unexciting around here that when a reasonably has-been
> movie star stops for a nosh it makes the newspaper. Wm Hurt ate at a place
> down the street. Nobody knows why he was here. Three column-inches for
> that?
He was Lost In Space?
Leith
>David, living in "the smallest city to build then abandon a subway system"
And home of the first municipal cemetary, according to Nancy Kress.
-Ann, who was never bored in Rochester
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>You wouldn't believe the amount of coverage General Hospital got when they
>filmed a few episodes around here. It's a little known fact that Port Charles
>is actually Rochester.
"Around here?" "*Around* here?" Luke and Laura's *dream* *house* is in
*Perry*! Main Street was teeming with people for a week.
We *discussed* this here when it happened. You're going to fail the motss
trivia quiz.
*Very* few, if the LA Times is to be believed. Last thing I heard is they'll
be (quite begrudgingly, apparently) finishing up the lines already under
construction, and then bagging the whole project.
Along with that entire fleet of (m)ethanol buses that don't run, or something.
Scott(y), current involuntary passenger of the LACMTA whilst saving up for a
down payment on a car...
On 19 Mar 1998, Anthony J. Rzepela wrote:
> BrianShore (brian...@aol.com) wrote:
> > In article <35116B68...@rit.edu>, "Kathryn L. Schmitz" <kls...@rit.edu>
> > writes:
> > > This was in October at Rochester's first Deaf Expo,
> > Curious, is this a convention for the hearing-imparied? Or a huge dating fest
> > for people who just act deaf when it's time to make a committment?
> > If the former, can we look forward to a Blind Expo, a Morbidly Obese Expo, a
> > TTU Expo (Too Terminally Unique).
> "Expo" usually stands for a collection, in some
> convention-center-like space, of folks offering
> goods and services tailored for a certain audience. I could
> certainly imagine one being held for goods and services
> catering to the blind and/or morbidly obese (although, of
> course, how DOES one appeal to a wide range of the Terminally
> Unique demographic?)
Apparently by terminating them.
> But why did this get your attention, and why did it get this response?
> Don't you think the deaf shop, or something?
Of *course* they shop. But they buy *exactly* the same stuff as Brian,
because they have *exactly* the same needs, and the idea that they might
want certain things, like door buzzers that flash a light or alarm clocks
that shake the bed or a better TDD is just a front to obtain *special*
*rights*. After all, their needs couldn't *possibly* be *unique*.
Because everybody's *just* *like* *Brian* and anybody who tells you
different is excluding *him*.
Leith
> In article <35116B68...@rit.edu>, "Kathryn L. Schmitz" <kls...@rit.edu>
> writes:
>
> > This was in October at Rochester's first Deaf Expo,
>
> Curious, is this a convention for the hearing-imparied? Or a huge dating fest
> for people who just act deaf when it's time to make a committment?
Well, I'll assume you do realize that soc.motss includes members who belong to
more than one demographic and that you are just teasing with your second question.
To answer your first question, deaf expos, as others have already explained, are
consumer shows where products, services, and companies that deal with deaf people
and their friends and families' needs convene for public display and consumption.
I had a good time. We'll have another one this October if anyone wants to come
see Dan Derouchie, assuming he's assigned to cover it again.
Katie
Nah. He was lost in a Dark City.
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> In article <3511AF2F...@frontiernet.net>, mmcm...@frontiernet.net wrote:
>
> - We took not a single pledge that break, just somebody carping about the lady
> - who was giving the shpiel, and some poor confused soul who thought he was in
> - the Army once, but wasn't sure.
>
> Wow, it looked like the phones were reasonably busy. I woulda called in
> myself, but I pledged last November. Had I known I would have called just
> to chat.
That was earlier in the evening. Pledges picked up considerably by the time the
subway show came on.
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> In article <3511AF2F...@frontiernet.net>,
> Mike McManus <mmcm...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >You wouldn't believe the amount of coverage General Hospital got when they
> >filmed a few episodes around here. It's a little known fact that Port Charles
> >is actually Rochester.
>
> "Around here?" "*Around* here?" Luke and Laura's *dream* *house* is in
> *Perry*! Main Street was teeming with people for a week.
>
> We *discussed* this here when it happened. You're going to fail the motss
> trivia quiz.
Oh, but *of* *course* soc.motss covered it -- that's a given. ;-) What I meant was
the amount of column space and airtime expended on it by the local media. And
"around here" extends from Perry right on up to High Falls, where they shot a few
of their more romantic moments.
Really?
I mean, I'm not familiar with the Rochester paper, but it can actually make
you miss the LA Times? Wow.
--
John Whiteside
Arlington, VA
>I mean, I'm not familiar with the Rochester paper, but it can actually make
>you miss the LA Times? Wow.
Rochester is (well, was) the home base of Gannett, proud parent
of McPaper.
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"I don't think anybody envisions that if an asteroid hits
the Earth that we're going to have people playing video poker
right away." -Oregon Lottery Commissioner Don Scarborough
Uh, name a few that are better. I know of none
in the west which even come close. The SF papers
are right up there with the Decatur Dish.
Mike, who was stunned that the
Comical ran in all seriousness
a piece of pure idiocy from His
Mayorness which basically told
The Public that it was mean to be
mean to Muni, and all of Muni's
problems were really Our Fault
because we were so mean, and that
if we didn't stop being mean, the
Easter Bunny might not come too...
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Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
"I dunno, that's an awful lot of money."
Beavis
This, from someone who thinks the Washington Post--the
quintessential small town newspaper--is good? That the
small town is D.C. is the only redeeming feature.
> Uh, name a few that are better. I know of none
>in the west which even come close. The SF papers
>are right up there with the Decatur Dish.
Try the San Jose Mercury News. Personally, I'm
now reduced to reading the Monterey Herald at work.
The only good thing about it (other than the fact that
the comics are in color *every* *day*--you can see
where their priorities lie) is that the letters to
the editor are the funniest I've ever come across.
Ken.
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Ken Callicott Hopkins Marine Station kac...@leland.stanford.edu
"It'd be better if he had stars on his ass."
--my housemate Beth, on an Olympic figure skater
Nah. Best paper published in a city in the Bay Area with population
over 500,000, perhaps. Ain't *that* faint praise.
While the LA times isn't what it was a decade ago -- shifts back to
the right driven by the Chandlers who were out of the picture in Otis
and Buff's era among the problems -- it's still my favorite daily read
anywhere in the USA. (I find that even the New York Times suffers too
much from "All the news we can trim to fit" syndrome; the LA Times
isn't afraid to jump a story six or seven times till they run out of
story, instead of trimming it to fit the hole.)
And when they do cover a Bay Area story, the uniformly do a better job
of it than any of the local papers.
>
>No, it's just that he's a totally clueless twit who can't keep
>himself from shitting on the carpet every time he opens his mouth.
>
>
Such strong words for someone who doesn't even know me.....and totally missed
the point of my post.
>Of *course* they shop. But they buy *exactly* the same stuff as Brian,
>because they have *exactly* the same needs, and the idea that they might
>want certain things, like door buzzers that flash a light or alarm clocks
>that shake the bed or a better TDD is just a front to obtain *special*
>*rights*. After all, their needs couldn't *possibly* be *unique*.
>Because everybody's *just* *like* *Brian* and anybody who tells you
>different is excluding *him*.
>
>
Being disabled myself, I like laugh at the way certain folks feel a need to
target our "needs". Sorry, but I get a little sick of the way some of you all
feel that we can only be SERIOUS and walk on egg crates talking about
disabilities. What prompted my post? Read on:
Deaf Expo --- the word Expo prompts images of the Montrial Worlds Fair of
several years back. A Deaf Expo -- images of a hearing aid ride to educate the
hearing. A mascot of some sort. All those kind of funky and crassly commercial
things found at expos flashed through my mind. Don't know it's something
about the word expo.
Inclusion vs Specialization:
I don't want to go to a special expo to get my disabled stuff. I like the
idea that shops like SEARS have hearing aid shops on premisis. I like the idea
that folks whith a psychiatric brain chemestry imbalance can get their stuff in
the same drug store where you can buy athelets foot powder. I might need some
of that powder along with that stuff that keeps me from killing myself or doing
obscessive compulsive stuff.
I also have a back injury. I don't need to go to a special clinic if I can get
the same therepy for less at the same gym as you. Don't sell me my special
disabled stuff at some expo seperate and away from you. Wherever possible sell
me my disabled stuff right next to your stuff. I'm reasonable if there isn't a
big market for the disabled stuff I can always special order it.
OK so maybe my brain isn't wired quite the same as yours. Sometimes I express
myself in ways that confuse even me when I read back what I write. I don't
think that lack of clarity is something unique to me.
Coming down on me the way some of you did only displays a knee-jerk reaction.
Admittedly, I have my "hot buttons" too. But you need to look beyond responding
emotionally.
I really hadn't planned on writing all this. Fact, I was curious about the
event. Fact, I just think the words Deaf Expo are a funny way to describe it.
At least to me they are funny, Fact, I'm disabled. That doesn't make my
philosophy the only valid one. That doesn't even make me a spokesperson I have
attended some of those "training facilities" for "the disabled". I've probably
been exposed to more different kinds of disabilities than some people. Ayana,
words like "mindless twit" show more prejudice and closed-mindedness than
anything I've said.
If you didn't understand me, or didn't understand where I am comming from you
could always ask me. I don't have a problem if you disagree with my point of
view. Leith seems to think that I need to have everyone agree with me. I
don't. How totally dull it would be if we all agreed 100% on everything. If
you don't agree with me a modicum of civility would be nice.
The New York Times. The Washington Post. The Boston Globe.
My experience with the LA Times has been mainly on trips to Los Angeles.
When I read it each day for a week on my last visit, I thought it was pretty
appalling.
I certainly wouldn't say the SF papers are better.
I'd add to that list the Wall Street Journal, despite its crazed editorial
bent.
The folks at the Post need to get out of town more often, that's for sure.
But the paper compares favorably to any big-city non-NY Times paper.
For some things it is appalling, and its recent policies toward lowering
the barrier between editorial and ad sales does not bode well. But there
are some areas that they cover better than anyone - Latin America, for
example, gets more and better coverage in the LA Times than in the NY
Times, in my experience.
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je...@netcom.com New York Times, 7/14/96
There was a point ? Aside from your sounding like a jerk ? Must
have been written in secret code, because nothing remotely like a
point showed up on my news server.
Lovely assumption here, that it's "certain folks" and not deaf
people who are driving this.
[]
>Inclusion vs Specialization:
> I don't want to go to a special expo to get my disabled stuff.
Then don't. Problem solved.
I don't recall anybody inviting you, requesting or requiring your
presence, or your *permission*.
[]
>I've probably
>been exposed to more different kinds of disabilities than some people.
And less than some people. And while you may not want to go to a
special place or a special gathering to find tools and such that
address your needs, others do. And others also make use of the
economic leverage of such events to push manufacturers into making
(or continuing to make) items that are not exactly big money makers,
and which would cost the companies more than they can sell them for
if the companies had to advertise or ship product out to stores
where it might sit for months before selling.
Have you any idea how fucking hard it has been to get companies to
even *consider* manufacturing a version of a product that would be
usable by people who don't fit the standard user profile ? Showing
that there's a market, that costs for non-standard products can be
pared in one area even though the production runs are smaller,
makes a big difference in what's available.
>Ayana,
>words like "mindless twit" show more prejudice and closed-mindedness than
>anything I've said.
Oh, I think you've got a fairly long and complete history of
cluelessness.
>If you didn't understand me, or didn't understand where I am comming from you
>could always ask me. I don't have a problem if you disagree with my point of
>view. Leith seems to think that I need to have everyone agree with me. I
>don't. How totally dull it would be if we all agreed 100% on everything. If
>you don't agree with me a modicum of civility would be nice.
What you post here is going to be read in the context of what you've
posted before. You have a history of posting *highly* problematic
attitudes about people who are not Just Like You. Equating a Deaf
Expo with "a TTU Expo (Too Terminally Unique)" is just the most
recent in a long line.
Ironically, the Post's biggest flaw is its absolutely horrible coverage of
local news. I assumed that by "Washington" Kenneth means "national politics,"
since many people use "Washington" that way. The Post seems mostly unaware
that there is much of anything between the Mall and the Beltway. Unless, of
course, it's a DC government scandal (of which there are plenty).
>Recall that Watergate started out as a police blotter story.
>
Which makes it all the more amazing that the Post was on it.
I seem to recall it being pretty awful about coverage of events
elsewhere in the country, as well.
Speaking of which, did everyone catch the hilarious resolution
of California's Republican Party, in which they assert that their
strong belief in equal rights for everyone mean that they just had
to oppose special rights for those dykes and faggots?
I can't imagine Dan Lungren being able to moderate his stand
after the primaries. Nor can I imagine why he'd need to worry
about the primaries, anyway. It's not like Dennis Perron is a
serious challenger.
> Speaking of which, did everyone catch the hilarious resolution
> of California's Republican Party, in which they assert that their
> strong belief in equal rights for everyone mean that they just had
> to oppose special rights for those dykes and faggots?
>
> I can't imagine Dan Lungren being able to moderate his stand
> after the primaries. Nor can I imagine why he'd need to worry
> about the primaries, anyway. It's not like Dennis Perron is a
> serious challenger.
Except that we now have this open primary system, where everyone gets
to vote for whomever they want, regardless of party, and the top vote
getters from each party move on to the finals. I guess he wants to
get the hard right vote out so he doesn't end up running third to Al
Checchi and Jane Harmon. (Not that that's likely to happen. I'm just
making a conjecture.)
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Dept. of Political Science |
Univ. of California, Davis | I may be easy, but I'm not cheap.
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Certainly not the editors of the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle,
apparently.
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That would be Houston, not Seattle.
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