Biden the Blasphemer
retardsman
Spookland Outlet called "The Huffington Post"
in today's Victim Propaganda Piece, VAWA Joe presents himself and his
fellow-exterminators of fatherhood and masculinity as The Downtrodden
who -- despite tremendous odds against them -- are "doing God's work"
. . . rather like the pseudo-religious "Christian conservatives" who,
while filling their pockets and pandering to Goddess Woman, likewise
crow how God is on "their side"
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Obama-Biden -- Strong Allies in Fight Against Domestic Violence -
McCain/Palin, not as clear...
Earlier this week, I had the pleasure of participating in a national
conference call with Senator Joe Biden along with hundreds of other
fellow advocates and activists (men and women) on the front lines in
the fight against Domestic Violence.
Senator Biden speaking from a cell phone in his campaign bus gave us
the straight talk for over 30 minutes about how we are doing "God's
work." He pledged that in an Obama-Biden Administration that they
would create a full-time White House staff advisory position with the
responsibility to report on violence against women and coordinate a
focused Domestic Violence effort to fight the "abuse of power and our
society's ugliest, dirtiest little secret!"
It just so happened that Tuesday also coincided with the 2 millionth
call to the federally funded National Domestic Violence Hotline since
its humble beginning in 1994 from people (averaging 650 calls per day)
seeking help and relief from Domestic Violence.
To be honest, more than anyone else, Senator Biden is due our
gratitude and credit for that milestone as part of the landmark
Violence Against Women Act of 1994 -- which he happened to point out
that Senator McCain originally voted against, arguing that it was
"ineffective and ill conceived."
Additionally, Senator Biden declared that "Barack and I promise you
will have the strongest allies you will ever have in the fight against
Domestic Violence" and then urged all of us to watch and share a video
of a young mother in Texas and her personal story about Domestic
Violence which can be viewed here.
On Tuesday, I read Senator Obama's statement he issued regarding
Domestic Violence Awareness Month where he reiterated his strong
support and continued commitment for this often silent epidemic.
Preaching to the choir and music to my ears this led me to fire up my
Internets and use the Google to seek out the position papers from both
the Obama and McCain campaigns.
Here is what I found:
On www.BarackObama.com there is a very clear and concise position and
Domestic Violence fact sheet titled "BARACK OBAMA: ENDING VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN"
On www.JohmMcCain.com I did not find anything relating to nor making
mention of Domestic Violence, just a general "Crime-Fighting
Strategy."
I recognize that most people are not single issue voters. However, one
thing is pretty clear to me - with domestic violence directly
impacting one in three women in their lifetime, the Obama-Biden
campaign gets "it" - Freedom from Domestic Violence is not a
responsibility, it is our right and I commend them for having the
sense and compassion to address it.
With 10 days to go before the election, another thing is pretty clear,
with regard to Domestic Violence, the McCain-Palin campaign apparently
does not get "it" and prefers attempting to replace this serious issue
with awkward jokes: "(Chuckling) And I stopped beating my wife just a
couple of weeks ago...." - which may just not cut it with voters who
care strongly about this issue.
Becky Lee
Be...@beckysfund.org
_____________
oh look! Becky's got her own Fund too! and probably her own law --
Becky's Law -- no doubt designed to Protect Her Homeland from uppity
males
fortunately, we've got Republican antidotes to all this madness, like
Ah Nulled who's demanding that half the Kalifornicate Legislators be
female
way to Stand Tall, Arn!
thanks for contributing to Becky's Fund
Masculist
> here's another agitprop piece from that roaring inferno of lies, the
> Spookland Outlet called "The Huffington Post"
>
> in today's Victim Propaganda Piece, VAWA Joe presents himself and his
> fellow-exterminators of fatherhood and masculinity as The Downtrodden
> who -- despite tremendous odds against them -- are "doing God's work"
What incredible pussies and traitors to men these guys are and to
invoke God in their unholy work is as you say, truly "blasphemous".
Tom
> Onwww.BarackObama.comthere is a very clear and concise position and
> Domestic Violence fact sheet titled "BARACK OBAMA: ENDING VIOLENCE
> AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN"
>
> Onwww.JohmMcCain.comI did not find anything relating to nor making
Rob
> On Oct 28, 11:28 am, retardsman <remarks...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > here's another agitprop piece from that roaring inferno of lies, the
> > Spookland Outlet called "The Huffington Post"
>
> > in today's Victim Propaganda Piece, VAWA Joe presents himself and his
> > fellow-exterminators of fatherhood and masculinity as The Downtrodden
> > who -- despite tremendous odds against them -- are "doing God's work"
>
> What incredible pussies and traitors to men these guys are and to
> invoke God in their unholy work is as you say, truly "blasphemous".
>
> Tom
Well, here it is in all its glory: influential men putting women first
and not a word from any voice that will be widely heard of the actual
evidence - evidence so overwhelmingly consistent that it is as close
to fact as its possible to come - that domestic violence is committed
at least as much by women as by men.
Now all you have to do is to take this superb example of our species'
inter-sexual behaviour - acting out right under our noses, right now -
and explain it.
Is the behaviour we observe from Obama, Biden et al:
1. Normal behaviour for both sexes to support the other in this way?
This is the default feminist's line, reflecting the construction that
we're all equal. In which case there should be examples of influential
women putting the case for battered husbands. Seen many lately?
2. A conspiracy of powerful people to oppress the common man. This is
the default soc.men line, reflecting the construction that things have
suddenly got worse for men and it must be someone else's fault.
Explain, then, that Becky says the Republicans don't have their act
together on it. What group is more powerful on this earth than the
party of the President of the USA? Or maybe they just had to leave
last month's big-conspiracy meeting a bit early to pick the kids up
from school and so missed that item on the agenda?
3. There is an inate behavioural tendency that encourages many men to
behave protectively towards women as a group but does not affect
women's behaviour towards men in the same way. Like many instincts
this tendency is subconscious, allowing some to continue to believe in
e.g. feminism despite it. Given what scientists know about the
different roles of the sexes over the course of human evolution this
protective instinct is, in fact, to be expected - to the point that,
if it didn't exist, it would raise serious questions about the whole
theory of evolution.
Hmmm, so many likely possibilities.
It's a real difficult one, huh?
--
Rob
There's no gender equality without paternal certainty and full 50/50
child custody
Masculist
I have used primarily #3 in my explanation of this anomoly but with a
caveat that the "elite" are well aware of this instinctive tendency
and have intentionally used it to rule over and control men using
women.
Tom
retardsman
in no way "sudden" and it sure as fuck IS "someone else's fault"
the collusion by powerful groups (exclusively male, exclusively
female, and mixed) in construction of modern Western matriarchy has
been thoroughly traced and documented, going back centuries
the "oppression of the common man" -- broadly, the deliberate
destruction of fatherhood, sonship, and masculinity -- is most
certainly a transgenerational conspiracy, executed by forces already
identified
> Explain, then, that Becky says the Republicans don't have their act
> together on it.
simple -- this is like a girl who, after mom parcels out the bag of
100 m & m candies, complains at receiving only 99 of them -- she's
attempting to shame mom (instant, the republicants) into forking over
the last piece (of everything)
>What group is more powerful on this earth than the
> party of the President of the USA?
>Or maybe they just had to leave
> last month's big-conspiracy meeting a bit early to pick the kids up
> from school and so missed that item on the agenda?
>
> 3. There is an inate behavioural tendency that encourages many men to
> behave protectively towards women as a group but does not affect
> women's behaviour towards men in the same way. Like many instincts
> this tendency is subconscious, allowing some to continue to believe in
> e.g. feminism despite it. Given what scientists know about the
> different roles of the sexes over the course of human evolution this
> protective instinct is, in fact, to be expected - to the point that,
> if it didn't exist, it would raise serious questions about the whole
> theory of evolution.
>
> Hmmm, so many likely possibilities.
> It's a real difficult one, huh?
>
> --
> Rob
> There's no gender equality without paternal certainty and full 50/50
> child custody
are you the Rob from "One Man's Kingdom"?
Rob
There's no reason why a recognised tendency can't be used for person
advancement but intention of the complexity you propose is very hard
to determine accurately, even between close family. Any self
reflecting person will admit that we struggle, and often fail, to
understand our own intentions properly. The idea that some people are
able to see reliably into stranger's hearts, which they would need to
do to set up a deliberate conspiracy, is very far fetched. if it is
true then the people involved are, effectively, gods to the rest of
us, operating on a different plane of understanding. I don't believe
any have ever been reliably identified and I've met enough senior
government ministers and officials personally to know that such demi-
gods don't exist in any number.
The important thing, though, is that explanation #3 stands the chance
of getting some traction with other people, other voters. Not least
because the evidence supports it. The more people plugging away at it,
and pointing out the inconsistencies of the widely accepted view
(explanation #1) the better. Attacking #1 with #2 just makes the
proponent appear delusional.
Rob
Where is this documentation?
> the "oppression of the common man" -- broadly, the deliberate
> destruction of fatherhood, sonship, and masculinity -- is most
> certainly a transgenerational conspiracy, executed by forces already
> identified
Where?
> > Explain, then, that Becky says the Republicans don't have their act
> > together on it.
>
> simple -- this is like a girl who, after mom parcels out the bag of
> 100 m & m candies, complains at receiving only 99 of them -- she's
> attempting to shame mom (instant, the republicants) into forking over
> the last piece (of everything)
The question was about why the Republicans don't have their approach
to DV properly co-ordinated with their 'co-conspirators', not about
why Becky thinks they should fall in line with everyone else.
> are you the Rob from "One Man's Kingdom"?
No.
Masculist
I agree that #3 is the way to go. As for the conspiracy charge,
conspiracies can be informal for the most part except for a few well
placed and high officials. I believe that the intelligence agencies
have known very well and for a long time the effectiveness of using
women power and organization to serve as counter insurgency forces and
that it is very possible that a major kind of blowback occurred in
Nixon's presidency and it's use of retired CIA with the Watergate
Plumbers to get McGovern nominated. The McGovern campaign was
dominated by marxists using their rad fems to take over the democratic
party by using identity groups and quotas.
It doesn't have to be seen as a conspiracy anyway, but just as
interest and ideological groups vying for position but carefully
chosen and groomed to serve counter insurgency purposes. In other
words politics as usual.
Your points are well taken and have been made here in other ways in
critique of these approaches. I accept that and agree #3 is the best
way to go in confronting this problem. But in order to do that the
academy needs to kick in and help and in order for them to do that the
feminists that control the academy need to back off. I don't see them
doing that voluntarily and I don't see the Right being at all
effective in getting them to do that. So the lies and suppression of
truth continue. That said, there has been a slow erosion of feminist
power in the academy the past decade over study and honest discussion
and research of sex differences. Let's hope it accelerates.
Tom
retardsman
> On Oct 29, 5:51 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 3:29 am, Rob <robwil...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 28, 8:49 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
true
but for some, this gap narrows around middle age, as what the depth
psychologists call "personal shadow elements" are accepted into the
psyche, and we stop zooming ourselves so much (and pretending we know
everything, and that our instant understanding is our ultimate
understanding)
> The idea that some people are
> able to see reliably into stranger's hearts, which they would need to
> do to set up a deliberate conspiracy, is very far fetched.
to your understanding, yes, but it occurs nevertheless, tho not in the
phonemic/literal way you might expect
nor is your stated condition (heart-reading) necessary to effect
transtemporal manipulations on either personal or mass scales -- wrong
starting assumption, wrong determination
>if it is
> true then the people involved are, effectively, gods to the rest of
> us, operating on a different plane of understanding.
not all are strictly people and yes, these interests see themselves as
gods, as entities whose obvious superiority requires their
"leadership" of all others, based partly on their rationizations of
social-darwinian "natural law"
and yes, folks throughout prehistory and history have worshipped, and
worship still, some of these entities/people as divine (e.g., pharoah
in egyptian culture) -- and indeed, entire cultures like ancient egypt
were structured *entirely* around the concept
> I don't believe
> any have ever been reliably identified
you dont believe wrong lol
>and I've met enough senior
> government ministers and officials personally to know that such demi-
> gods don't exist in any number.
>
who said they existed "in any number"?
i've also worked closely with sr. govt types, etc. -- these are
overwhelmingly (tho not exclusively) "worshippers" rather than"gods"
> The important thing, though, is that explanation #3 stands the chance
> of getting some traction with other people, other voters. Not least
> because the evidence supports it. The more people plugging away at it,
> and pointing out the inconsistencies of the widely accepted view
> (explanation #1) the better. Attacking #1 with #2 just makes the
> proponent appear delusional.
>
truth and inner reality are not products of what "gets traction with
other people"
that is to indulge in, and rely upon, foolish people-power games, upon
mass delusions, with expectation of results resembling reality, which
it isn't and can't be
"plugging away" at #1 is good, and i'm certainly not knocking or
belittling it
but equating areas of your personal (and the masses') ignorance with
"delusion" does the matriarchy's work for it, by discrediting and
alienating those attempting to show where the matriarchy came from,
and why it persists and re-forms in longitudinal human development
like so many others, you want to see yourself as hardheadedly
practical, but havent the wisdom to assume your understanding is far
from perfect, and that your learning is unfinished
i'm not interested in "getting traction" with deceived people or
polities
i'm interested in gouging out the truth to the extent possible, then
letting it burn away the dross
"getting traction" involves endless artifice and self-deception in
concert with the other troo beeleavers -- it's about mutual self-
comfort, co-reassurances, and freezes cultural concepts and
assumptions in stasis
do you wish for the matriarchy and its assumptions to remain frozen,
ruling over us all, while you and others apply your hardheaded
pseudorationalism as its antidote? how's the traction so far?
looks like a whirld of spinning wheels to me
> --
> Rob
> There's no gender equality without paternal certainty and full 50/50
> child custody- Hide quoted text -
>
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Masculist
As us long time men's movement guys know too well, "rationalism" in
sexual politics results in as ray said, "A whirld of spinning
wheels".
You may not believe in supernatural powers Rob, but He is the only one
who has ever dug us out of this hole. Believe or not, but you better
hope others do and that we get some super natural help. I personally
don't see anyother way out of this mess and have said so repeatedly
for years.
Feminism is a monster Rob. We are all David's in this fight against
Goliath.
Smitty
retardsman
most of the Old Testament is *precisely* about the nature and identity
of these collusions (and about those who opposed those collusions)
my own work is an attempt to re-inforce this information in ways
understandable by modern people, and to trace the lines of deception
in the interim
>
> > the "oppression of the common man" -- broadly, the deliberate
> > destruction of fatherhood, sonship, and masculinity -- is most
> > certainly a transgenerational conspiracy, executed by forces already
> > identified
>
> Where?
>
you and this world are the 'prize' in a disagreement that began before
you (or any other person) got here
the prizes not only are unaware of their status, they're unaware of
the disagreement
if 20 years ago you'd presented me with this information, i'd have
dismissed it and you (quite possibly with anger and resentment)
likewise if you'd argued for existence of a matriarchy (even a hidden
matriarchy) i'd have dismissed you as a loonie
but reality (in this case, the matriarchy) has a way of convincing us
via experience of things we cannot be convinced of through logic or
debate
methinks there are quite a few other western males being "convinced"
that matriarchy is an extant entity, with effects on their lives and
nations that are not only real, but undeniable
live n learn and i sure aint exempt
> > > Explain, then, that Becky says the Republicans don't have their act
> > > together on it.
>
> > simple -- this is like a girl who, after mom parcels out the bag of
> > 100 m & m candies, complains at receiving only 99 of them -- she's
> > attempting to shame mom (instant, the republicants) into forking over
> > the last piece (of everything)
>
> The question was about why the Republicans don't have their approach
> to DV properly co-ordinated with their 'co-conspirators', not about
> why Becky thinks they should fall in line with everyone else.
>
> > are you the Rob from "One Man's Kingdom"?
>
> No.
>
> --
> Rob
> There's no gender equality without paternal certainty and full 50/50
Rob
If there is any substance behind what you want to say then you need to
work on finding a more convincing way of expressing it, avoiding
nebulous terms like 'transtemporal' and providing some real evidence.
Neither the OT nor your own writings qualify as such evidence.
> > >if it is
> > > true then the people involved are, effectively, gods to the rest of
> > > us, operating on a different plane of understanding.
>
> > not all are strictly people and yes, these interests see themselves as
> > gods, as entities whose obvious superiority requires their
> > "leadership" of all others, based partly on their rationizations of
> > social-darwinian "natural law"
>
> > and yes, folks throughout prehistory and history have worshipped, and
> > worship still, some of these entities/people as divine (e.g., pharoah
> > in egyptian culture) -- and indeed, entire cultures like ancient egypt
> > were structured *entirely* around the concept
The Pharaoh was one 'man-god', not some vague and immortal human
conspiracy.
> > > I don't believe
> > > any have ever been reliably identified
>
> > you dont believe wrong lol
>
> > >and I've met enough senior
> > > government ministers and officials personally to know that such demi-
> > > gods don't exist in any number.
>
> > who said they existed "in any number"?
The #2 advocates, as they appear to believe in a malevolent conspiracy
that dominates this great big world of ours.
How's yours? lol
> > looks like a whirld of spinning wheels to me
>
> As us long time men's movement guys know too well, "rationalism" in
> sexual politics results in as ray said, "A whirld of spinning
> wheels".
Can't say I've seen much rationalism in the mens movement yet, myself,
and I've been around for a little while.
> You may not believe in supernatural powers Rob, but He is the only one
> who has ever dug us out of this hole. Believe or not, but you better
> hope others do and that we get some super natural help. I personally
> don't see anyother way out of this mess and have said so repeatedly
> for years.
>
> Feminism is a monster Rob. We are all David's in this fight against
> Goliath.
There are loads of ways out, and I have no doubt that nature will find
one that works just fine. I don't know its precise ingredients,
unfortunately, but I suspect it won't include feminists and others who
focus on individuality and consumption at the expense of continuity.
Bat Leaper
@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, remar...@yahoo.com (retardsman) says...
> in today's Victim Propaganda Piece, VAWA Joe presents himself and his
> fellow-exterminators of fatherhood and masculinity as The Downtrodden
> who -- despite tremendous odds against them -- are "doing God's work"
Obama is a picture of moderation compared to Biden. Not only did he
author the Victimize All Men Act, I saw him on TV last night taking
credit for the assault weapons ban. In case you are not familiar with
the ban, it expired, but banned a number of popular guns for no other
reason than that they were scary looking. One of the banned features
was a bayonet mounting lug, when there have been NO instances of US
citizens stabbing each other with rifle mounted bayonets since the Civil
War. The act was a serious attempt to start banning whole classes of
guns.
Biden is a flaming radical. I sure hope nobody shoots Obama, because a
Biden presidency would be really hard to take.
retardsman
"evidence"?
oh you mean like the godesses' fingerprints on my nation's neck? like
the scream of a smothered baby boy?
something we could snatch from mid-air, truck down to the Crime Lab,
have the techs check the DNA?
sure bro, i'll get right back to you on that lol
y'all are waiting for the rong kind of evidence like you waited for
the rong kind of king
> Neither the OT nor your own writings qualify as such evidence.
>
theyre meant for those with unplugged ears
> > > >if it is
> > > > true then the people involved are, effectively, gods to the rest of
> > > > us, operating on a different plane of understanding.
>
> > > not all are strictly people and yes, these interests see themselves as
> > > gods, as entities whose obvious superiority requires their
> > > "leadership" of all others, based partly on their rationizations of
> > > social-darwinian "natural law"
>
> > > and yes, folks throughout prehistory and history have worshipped, and
> > > worship still, some of these entities/people as divine (e.g., pharoah
> > > in egyptian culture) -- and indeed, entire cultures like ancient egypt
> > > were structured *entirely* around the concept
>
> The Pharaoh was one 'man-god', not some vague and immortal human
> conspiracy.
>
you havent the faintest idea what youre talking about -- why do you
persist? this isn't an I'm Right contest, nobody's keeping track of
points
stronger with each laugh, punkette
>
> > > looks like a whirld of spinning wheels to me
>
> > As us long time men's movement guys know too well, "rationalism" in
> > sexual politics results in as ray said, "A whirld of spinning
> > wheels".
>
> Can't say I've seen much rationalism in the mens movement yet, myself,
> and I've been around for a little while.
>
> > You may not believe in supernatural powers Rob, but He is the only one
> > who has ever dug us out of this hole. Believe or not, but you better
> > hope others do and that we get some super natural help. I personally
> > don't see anyother way out of this mess and have said so repeatedly
> > for years.
>
> > Feminism is a monster Rob. We are all David's in this fight against
> > Goliath.
>
> There are loads of ways out, and I have no doubt that nature will find
> one that works just fine. I don't know its precise ingredients,
> unfortunately, but I suspect it won't include feminists and others who
> focus on individuality and consumption at the expense of continuity.
>
> --
> Rob
> There's no gender equality without paternal certainty and full 50/50
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Masculist
Poor Rob doesn't have a clue as to what he is dealing with, but
neither did we years ago eh ray? If Rob doesn't burn out or the
matriarchy strangle him, he might be a darn good anti-feminist
rationalist in 20 years. Do you think he will get any "traction"
ray? <smile>
Smitty
>
>
> > > > looks like a whirld of spinning wheels to me
>
> > > As us long time men's movement guys know too well, "rationalism" in
> > > sexual politics results in as ray said, "A whirld of spinning
> > > wheels".
>
> > Can't say I've seen much rationalism in the mens movement yet, myself,
> > and I've been around for a little while.
>
> > > You may not believe in supernatural powers Rob, but He is the only one
> > > who has ever dug us out of this hole. Believe or not, but you better
> > > hope others do and that we get some super natural help. I personally
> > > don't see anyother way out of this mess and have said so repeatedly
> > > for years.
>
> > > Feminism is a monster Rob. We are all David's in this fight against
> > > Goliath.
>
> > There are loads of ways out, and I have no doubt that nature will find
> > one that works just fine. I don't know its precise ingredients,
>
> ...
>
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retardsman
>
>
>
> > > > > looks like a whirld of spinning wheels to me
>
> > > > As us long time men's movement guys know too well, "rationalism" in
> > > > sexual politics results in as ray said, "A whirld of spinning
> > > > wheels".
>
> > > Can't say
>
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