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krp
Jun 29, 2008, 10:50:04 PM6/29/08
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"Turin" <TurinTu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 29, 7:35 am, Fred <f...@fredwilliamsFFFf.ca> wrote:
>> krp wrote:
>>
>> > "1001webs" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:2d89e909-7b1e-48d2...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> Sir, the words I pasted belong to no one else than Albert Einstein,
>> >> which was a rather enlightened man, or at least that's what I've been
>> >> told.
>>
>> > Albert Einstein was a brilliant physicist, however if I had cancer
>> > I
>> > would NOT have consulted him!
>>
>> Obviously, but he did understand politics as well as physics, and
>> he wasn't
>> first a physicist, but trained as a mathematician.
>>
>> >> You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism or even Stalinism.
>> >> The very nature of Socialism is the opposite of a Police State.
>> >> Please name just one country that has adopted TRUE Socialism as a form
>> >> of government that can be labeled as a dictatorship.
>>
>> > Socialism (Fabian socialism) CANNOT EXIST outside a police state.
>> > Why?
>> > First because it doesn't work. Secondly IF the people have any choice
>> > they
>> > will 100% of the time revert to capitalism. Ask Fidel Castro.
>>
>> Socialism does work and it works very well. In fact it's just
>> about the
>> only thing that works. When people look for equality and security in
>> their
>> lives, socialism is the best answer that anybody has.
>
>
> The problem is with those systems which rely too heavily on a
> "healthy" capitalist regime (as though any type of cancer is
> healthy).
>
> This allows capitalists to treat what they return to the people as
> handouts, when in reality it belonged to the public to begin with and
> was simply raided, or flat out stolen, with a piece of paper.
>
> With that mentality at work, every time the system starts building up
> some reserves, again, the crapitalist comes back in power and raids
> them, all over, by playing "it's mine" under the guise of "my tax
> dollars", or supply side economics. The welfare-state, band-aid
> solution socialist has no ground to stand on, upon which to object and
> really is seeking a handout.
>
> But, if he embraced true Marxism enough to challenge the right of the
> capitalist to own so much property (or to own it, period), or to incur
> so much profit (or, any), then he wouldn't have to beg, persuade, play
> nice and suck ass. He could reply, "Well, no. It didn't belong to
> you to begin with" and demand it. And, he should.
>
>
>> > You know the LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME excuses I have heard in
>> > the
>> > 60+ years of my life about both Socialism and Communism it to say that
>> > none
>> > of the governments have been "True socialism" or TRUE Communism!'
>> > HORSE
>> > SHIT! Let me be plain spoken. That is a load of HORSE SHIT! It is an
>> > EXCUSE to try to cover up the endless failures of an IDIOTIC concept.
>>
>> This is the lie that capitalists use to cover up their
>> destructive
>> interference in anything that doesn't make them profits and interferes
>> with
>> their exploitation of slave labour.
>
>
> So, true. Capitalism is what failed as a system in the U.S.,
> launching it's Great Depression, and it took some of FDR's mild
> programs to get it back off of it's big, overgrown ass and onto it's
> feet. It hasn't forgotten that it leans on government to keep it
> going, but it has tried to revise history so that those who don't know
> the truth will keep allowing it to live better than the rest of us.
>
>
>> > Rather than shift the burden to me - show me ONE country that HAS
>> > "true
>> > socialism" (mixed economies don't count) that is NOT a dictatorship and
>> > it
>> > WORKS.
>>
>> Cuba, of course.
>
>
> Right. What a beautiful, happy land.
"Turin" <TurinTu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 29, 7:35 am, Fred <f...@fredwilliamsFFFf.ca> wrote:
>> krp wrote:
>>
>> > "1001webs" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:2d89e909-7b1e-48d2...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> Sir, the words I pasted belong to no one else than Albert Einstein,
>> >> which was a rather enlightened man, or at least that's what I've been
>> >> told.
>>
>> > Albert Einstein was a brilliant physicist, however if I had cancer
>> > I
>> > would NOT have consulted him!
>>
>> Obviously, but he did understand politics as well as physics, and
>> he wasn't
>> first a physicist, but trained as a mathematician.
>>
>> >> You seem to be confusing Socialism with Communism or even Stalinism.
>> >> The very nature of Socialism is the opposite of a Police State.
>> >> Please name just one country that has adopted TRUE Socialism as a form
>> >> of government that can be labeled as a dictatorship.
>>
>> > Socialism (Fabian socialism) CANNOT EXIST outside a police state.
>> > Why?
>> > First because it doesn't work. Secondly IF the people have any choice
>> > they
>> > will 100% of the time revert to capitalism. Ask Fidel Castro.
>>
>> Socialism does work and it works very well. In fact it's just
>> about the
>> only thing that works. When people look for equality and security in
>> their
>> lives, socialism is the best answer that anybody has.
>
>
> The problem is with those systems which rely too heavily on a
> "healthy" capitalist regime (as though any type of cancer is
> healthy).
>
> This allows capitalists to treat what they return to the people as
> handouts, when in reality it belonged to the public to begin with and
> was simply raided, or flat out stolen, with a piece of paper.
>
> With that mentality at work, every time the system starts building up
> some reserves, again, the crapitalist comes back in power and raids
> them, all over, by playing "it's mine" under the guise of "my tax
> dollars", or supply side economics. The welfare-state, band-aid
> solution socialist has no ground to stand on, upon which to object and
> really is seeking a handout.
>
> But, if he embraced true Marxism enough to challenge the right of the
> capitalist to own so much property (or to own it, period), or to incur
> so much profit (or, any), then he wouldn't have to beg, persuade, play
> nice and suck ass. He could reply, "Well, no. It didn't belong to
> you to begin with" and demand it. And, he should.
>
>
>> > You know the LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME excuses I have heard in
>> > the
>> > 60+ years of my life about both Socialism and Communism it to say that
>> > none
>> > of the governments have been "True socialism" or TRUE Communism!'
>> > HORSE
>> > SHIT! Let me be plain spoken. That is a load of HORSE SHIT! It is an
>> > EXCUSE to try to cover up the endless failures of an IDIOTIC concept.
>>
>> This is the lie that capitalists use to cover up their
>> destructive
>> interference in anything that doesn't make them profits and interferes
>> with
>> their exploitation of slave labour.
>
>
> So, true. Capitalism is what failed as a system in the U.S.,
> launching it's Great Depression, and it took some of FDR's mild
> programs to get it back off of it's big, overgrown ass and onto it's
> feet. It hasn't forgotten that it leans on government to keep it
> going, but it has tried to revise history so that those who don't know
> the truth will keep allowing it to live better than the rest of us.
>
>
>> > Rather than shift the burden to me - show me ONE country that HAS
>> > "true
>> > socialism" (mixed economies don't count) that is NOT a dictatorship and
>> > it
>> > WORKS.
>>
>> Cuba, of course.
>
>
> Right. What a beautiful, happy land.
And you have been to Cuba HOW MANY TIMES Turdbrain?
Turin
Jun 30, 2008, 12:45:21 AM6/30/08
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On Jun 29, 10:50 pm, "kenneth r pusbag" <stupidshit24...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "His Magnificence, Turin" <TurinTuramba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
wrote:
> "His Magnificence, Turin" <TurinTuramba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Hey, suck my dick, Pangborn. What difference does it make? Or, has
Barbara been making you jealous in some way..?
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This has been another "tell Barb I said hi" moment, with:
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krp
Jun 30, 2008, 7:33:24 AM6/30/08
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TURDBRAIN TURAM
"Turin" <TurinTu...@gmail.com> wrote his usual drivel in message
news:cff1ad56-f471-44d0...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...>> And you have been to Cuba HOW MANY TIMES Turdbrain? I HAVE!!!
"Turin" <TurinTu...@gmail.com> wrote his usual drivel in message
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> Hey, suck my dick, Pangborn.
I don't have an electronic microscope Turdbrain. I can't see anything
that SMALL!!!!
> What difference does it make? Or, has Barbara been making you jealous in
> some way..?
Just that AS USUAL you speak on subjects where your fund of knowledge is
less than zero.
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