St.Lucia - Lefort de Latour Map / survey - 1786
PennyK...@aol.com
to ask about St.Lucia. I understand that a very comprehensive survey, and
subsequently a map, was done in 1786 by Lefort de Latour that lists all of
the plantations on St.Lucia and I believe posssibly the plantation owners
too. It is often referred to by historians.
Does anyone know where I can get access to a copy of this? Can a copy be
ordered? Does anyone have a copy and is prepared to do some look-ups?
Many thanks,
Penny
Richard B. Cheddie
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PitterPat Clavier
Martinique, and also St. Lucia, I believe. We figure the road blocks we're
encountering in our family search will be answered if we can just find some
information out of either place.
Our main links to Martinique and St Lucia are:
Alexandre Berne Clavier de Caz Navire
who married a (Tascher) de la Pagerie
Antoine Jeane Marie Clavier, M.D. (Entrepot, Castries, St Lucia)
who married (in London) Jane Rose PATTERSON
Henry CLAVIER married ? and had a son Henry CLAVIER who became the Governor
of Senegal
(Note: Somewhere in here the Clavier family had land/plantations in British
Guiana)
Dr. Louis CLAIVER (b1878)
who married (in London) Ethel PHILLIPS
Laury CLAVIER married Sir. Lennox O'Reilly (Laury died in Trinidad)
Peggy CLAVIER married Dr. HUGHES and had a son Edward Alexander Clavier
HUGHES
Dr. Jeff CLAVIER
(Committed suicide on Rat Island, off St Lucia... the family owned Rat
Island for some time. I believe he was born in Guiana and them moved his
family to St Lucia where he had children: Margaret, Desmond, a daughter, and
Allen))
Born in Georgetown, BG:
Esme CLAVIER m. Charles DOWDING
Aileen CLAVIER m Philip CLAPPERTON
Forbes Moreton CLAVIER m. Ethel CLARKSON (Yorkshire, UK)
Audrey CLAVIER
If anyone has any info that might have a link to any of the names above...
please let me know....
If you know of any way to find out about the fishing/ land rights given in
Martinique in the 1700s... that would be awesome!
Warmly, Pat Clavier
Guy Grannum
one dated 1851 a certified copy of the original which was in Paris at the
time - does not say where. PRO reference CO 700/St Lucia no2
the second dated 1883 reference CO 700/St Lucia no9
I have not looked at either but I have been told that the first one is a
large document. Copies can be ordered from the PRO but I can imagine that it
would be expensive.
Guy Grannum
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Douglas Fraites
while I lived in St.Lucia. I played bridge with her one day while she was
holidaying on Rat Island in 1965. (Rat Island was acquired by the government
and served as a quarantine station but was later rented out as a vacation
property). I knew that she had a Hughes connection in Grenada, relatives in
Trinidad and I also knew her nephew Anthony Patterson Clavier who lived in
Guyana (formerly British Guiana). There was also a Dr Clavier in Guyana
whom I never met but I know a man who is married to his daughter and they
live in the Toronto area. Hilda Clavier and her nephew Anthony Patterson
Clavier died a short time apart. I seem to recall hearing that he stopped
off in St.Lucia to visit Hilda on his way to the USA to pick up a new
airplane that he bought. Hilda is said to have taken ill after eating
tainted chicken salad and because of her age and not being robust she
succumbed. The nephew picked up his new aircraft but ran into an electrical
storm and the plane crashed killing him. His widow and his daughter ended
up living in St.Lucia for a while and one or both may stil be there. If you
wish to contact me direct for help in connecting with Dr Clavier's daughter
I would be pleased to find her telephone # and address from a mutual
acquaintance. I may also be able to connect with other members of the
family.
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PennyK...@aol.com
also the name of one plantation, Ravine Duval, which was in the quarter of
Canaries. Any information would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
Penny
PennyK...@aol.com
Many thanks for that information, especially as you provided the references.
I hope it is useful for others researching St.Lucia too.
I will call the PRO tomorrow to try to find out about costs. Otherwise I may
have to hire a researcher as I am 37 weeks pregnant and don't fancy a trip to
Kew :)
Thanks again,
Penny
PitterPat Clavier
you. Hilda, is my husband's grandfather's sister.... I'm going to let my
husband, Anthony, reply to you since he knows all the names, locations, and
such. I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of them.
I'm sure you'll be of great help to us in putting together this jigsaw
puzzle called the Claviers. They have a fascinating history, if we can just
put it all together.
With great appreciation........
Pat
PS Where do you live?
PitterPat Clavier (Patricia)
Geneology research: BELT/WHITLOCK/HENSLEY/BASTNAGEL/PAYNE/CLAVIER
Webmistress: Trinity Episcopal Church
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Edward Crawford
Patterson was a common name in Jamaica. Thomas Wallen, brother of my g-g-g
grandfather, Matthew, Wallen, had a daughter born in 1756 by his second wife
Elizabeth Patterson who had descendants.
Edward Crawford
>Antoine Jeane Marie Clavier, M.D. (Entrepot, Castries, St Lucia)
> who married (in London) Jane Rose PATTERSON
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completeness there was a young Clavier (in his twenties) who was also a
pilot and who died in a crash in Union Island some seven or eight years ago.
I am pretty sure he was related to the Clavier senior, a pilot who died in
a plane crash and was mentioned here very recently - could be a grandson,
because I remember hearing about the Clavier senior crash when I first
started flying about 30 years ago.
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At 11:19 AM 9/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Oh, my....... you can't know how pleased my husband and I are to hear from
>you. Hilda, is my husband's grandfather's sister.... I'm going to let my
>husband, Anthony, reply to you since he knows all the names, locations, and
>such. I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of them.
>
>I'm sure you'll be of great help to us in putting together this jigsaw
>puzzle called the Claviers. They have a fascinating history, if we can just
>put it all together.
>
>With great appreciation........
>Pat
>
>PS Where do you live?
>
>PitterPat Clavier (Patricia)
>Geneology research: BELT/WHITLOCK/HENSLEY/BASTNAGEL/PAYNE/CLAVIER
>Webmistress: Trinity Episcopal Church
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PitterPat Clavier
he's confirmed it. The were directly related, both dying in plane crash
years apart.
You all can't know how fantastic this is to find folks familiar with the
Clavier name, in some small way, in the Caribbean. I've had a heck of a time
locating any official documentation on the family. This seems odd to me
since they seemed to be of some prominence.
I've discovered in my search process that with some folks, there has been a
location added to their surname..... for example
Alexandre Berne Clavier....... de caz Navire
OK, so the surname is Clavier....
I'm assuming "de caz Navire" has something to do with the location and/or
trade they were a part of while still in France?! It is said that the family
went to Martinique from the Britanny coast of France, in the Nantes area,
where it looks like the Loire River meets the ocean.. We gather that having
the title "de caz Navire" meant that the Claviers would of been of Nobel, or
notable, family. My husband has surmised that "caz navire" would mean the
equivalent of "ships captain"....... If this is true, then it would go hand
in hand with the fact that they were given fishing rights in Martinigue, by
the King.
Any comments suggestions? I would appreciate any and all input as to
possible meanings behind the extension on the family name, and/or how to go
about finding more information regarding the early families/ plantation
owners/ fisherfolk of Martinique and the Caribbean area.
With warmest regards,
Pat Clavier
PitterPat Clavier
information rings a bell for anyone.
Warmly, Pat Clavier
My husband writes:
Jan Bousse
Hello,
It would be clearer if one had a full quotation of that part of the
document. As I see it, in my opinion, "...de caz Navire" should be read as
"de case Navire", meaning that the place the person lived was the "case",
i.e. the house or farm called Navire. I believe the locations on the French
speaking islands were mostly called "case". I don't believe it refers to
anything in France or Britanny or any ship, except that the fact the house
was called Navire clearly refers to a maritime trade or past.
Jan Bousse.
(snip)
>I've discovered in my search process that with some folks, there has been a
>location added to their surname..... for example
>
>Alexandre Berne Clavier....... de caz Navire
>
>OK, so the surname is Clavier....
>I'm assuming "de caz Navire" has something to do with the location and/or
>trade they were a part of while still in France?!
(rest omitted)
Jan Bousse
Belgium and the north of France, the surname CLAVIER is listed as a surname
based on a profession, meaning : porter, holder of the keys. From the Latin
word clavis, meaning key.
Jan BOUSSE
PitterPat Clavier
crossed keys on it. I'll have to run the "de case Navire" through him. It's
the first relative we have on our tree, arriving in Martinique, that has the
Clavier de case Navire on his name. Each generation following him dropped
the "de case Navire".
My step son, Mark, had a professor at Duke University who had suggested that
the "case" may have meant "castle", and Navire would have been the name of
the castle. He wasn't able to follow that up with anything viable. So, we
were back to trying to figure out what the "case Navire" was.
Your being very helpful with your thoughts..... thank you ever so much. This
is all an education to me since I come from good ole American mutt families.
LOL
Pat Clavier
Jan Bousse
You know, I just thought I'm going to see what Google says about Case
Navire, if they have it. And Bingo, there are several entries, some on the
village Case-Navire, some on a restaurant with that name. Both are situated
in Martinique, not far from Fort de France. One of the entries explains
that the village Case Navire had its name changed in Schoelcher in 1889, in
honour of a famous abolitionist. So Case Navire existed at the time you are
looking at, it's not a farm but a village, though I suspect that it started
as simply one estate with a house, une case, which is still a word in
French meaning : small dwelling, hut, cabin. The well-known book Uncle
Tom's cabin is in French : La case de l'oncle Tom. It still does not
explain where the Navire comes from. Were the Claviers the first owners of
the case Navire and did they give it that maritime name? Can you find
that? You say that following generations dropped "de case Navire". Were
they still in Martinique? If they had moved to another island, the mention
"de case Navire" would not have any meaning in that island, where the
village they came from is not necessarily known. Some interesting research
lies ahead for you. Moral : never fail to consult Google!
Jan BOUSSE
At 10:07 4/09/02 -0500, you wrote:
>That's exactly right. My husband has always had a family shield/crest with
>crossed keys on it. I'll have to run the "de case Navire" through him. It's
>the first relative we have on our tree, arriving in Martinique, that has the
>Clavier de case Navire on his name. Each generation following him dropped
>the "de case Navire".
>
>My step son, Mark, had a professor at Duke University who had suggested that
>the "case" may have meant "castle", and Navire would have been the name of
>the castle. He wasn't able to follow that up with anything viable. So, we
>were back to trying to figure out what the "case Navire" was.
>
>Your being very helpful with your thoughts..... thank you ever so much. This
>is all an education to me since I come from good ole American mutt families.
>LOL
>
>Pat Clavier
>
> > Just to add to what I wrote earlier. In my dictionary of family names in
> > Belgium and the north of France, the surname CLAVIER is listed as a
>surname
> > based on a profession, meaning : porter, holder of the keys. From the
>Latin
> > word clavis, meaning key.
> > Jan BOUSSE
>
>
>
>
RossignolP
Il n'y a pas de famille CLAVIER de CASE NAVIRE
Case n'a jamais voulu dire château.
Les actes anciens de Case Navire maintenant Scoelcher sont à chercher à Fort de
France.
Les microfilms des actes à partir de 1763 sont consultables chez les Mormons
Les actes à partir de 1679 sont consultables aux Archives de la Martinique.
Il y a aussi les microfilms des tables décennales.
Les Archives ne font pas de recherches généalogiques mais il y a à la
Martinique une généalogiste professionnelle qui peut faire la recherche.
La carte de Ste Lucie de Jean François LEFORT de LATOUR (1786) a été reproduite
dans "Sainte Lucie Fille de la Martinique" Eugène et Raymond Bruneau Latouche,
parue en 1989.
Dans le plan de l'îlet à Carret figure l'habitation "succession CLAVIER" le
long de la Rivière Dorée. 71 1/3 carrés en caféiers et cacaoyers.
Cordialement
Philippe Rossignol
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Dans l'article <017501c25424$c0a09360$2b5e...@midco.net>, pat...@wat.midco.net
("PitterPat Clavier")a écrit :
PitterPat Clavier
It has been well over 20 years since I had my first (and only) French I
class. Though I can pick a familiar word out of your email, here and there,
I definately need a translation. Is there anyone on this list who could
translate Rossignol's email for me?... Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?
Thank you in advance,
Patricia Clavier
PitterPat Clavier (Patricia)
Geneology research: BELT/WHITLOCK/HENSLEY/BASTNAGEL/PAYNE/CLAVIER
Webmistress: Trinity Episcopal Church
My home away from home: www.tecwatertown.org
The Prairie Parson: www.tecwatertown.org/FRTONY.htm
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PitterPat Clavier
Philippe...
WHERE did he find this information?
Inquiring and frustrated minds would like to know.... LOL
Patricia Clavier
hans mallalieu
There is no family CLAVIER de CASE NAVIRE
'Case' is never used to mean house.
The old titles of Case Navire, now Scoelcher, can be found in Fort de
France.
The microfilms of titles from 1763 can be found in the Mormon records.
The titles from 1679 can be found in the Martinique Archives
There are also microfilms of decennial lists
The Archives do not offer genealogical research services, but there is in
Martinique a professional genealogist who may be able to do the research.
The map of St. Lucia by Jean François LEFORT de LATOUR (1786) has been
reproduced in "Sainte Lucie Fille de la Martinique" by Eugène and Raymond
Bruneau Latouche, published en 1989.
In the plan of the isle at Carret, the residence "succession CLAVIER" is
shown along the Rivière Dorée. 71 1/3 patches of coffee trees and cacao
trees.
>
> Dans l'article <017501c25424$c0a09360$2b5e...@midco.net>,
pat...@wat.midco.net
> ("PitterPat Clavier")a écrit :
>
> >That's exactly right. My husband has always had a family shield/crest
with
> >crossed keys on it. I'll have to run the "de case Navire" through him.
It's
> >the first relative we have on our tree, arriving in Martinique, that has
the
> >Clavier de case Navire on his name. Each generation following him dropped
> >the "de case Navire".
> >
> >My step son, Mark, had a professor at Duke University who had suggested
that
> >the "case" may have meant "castle", and Navire would have been the name
of
> >the castle. He wasn't able to follow that up with anything viable. So, we
> >were back to trying to figure out what the "case Navire" was.
> >
> >Your being very helpful with your thoughts..... thank you ever so much.
This
> >is all an education to me since I come from good ole American mutt
families.
> >LOL
> >
> >Pat Clavier
> >
>
>
>
Jan Bousse
This quickly and off the cuff. Philippe is the publisher of a bulletin
called "Bulletin de Généalogie et Histoire de la Caraïbe". He and his wife
are well known researchers in Paris, specialising in genealogy and history
of the French-speaking Caribbean. The problem with Philippe is, and here I
speak freely and directly to you, that he is not very helpful. He gave you
these elements, but not very clearly, wanting to show that he knows them
but not trying to make it easy for you to understand. He knows where that
information is through his contacts in Martinique, Guadeloupe and other
places, because he goes frequently to the archives in Paris (CARAN) and
probably also to Aix-en-Provence, where most of these archives are. I
myself went a couple of times to the archives in Paris and once met his
wife Bernadette there. At one occasion, when I knew he had information that
I needed, he did not want to share it with me because he felt I could not
offer him something in return. Not what I call genealogical generosity, if
you see what I mean.
Still, he gave you the sources : archives in Fort de France, from 1679;
same at the FHC (Mormons) but apparently only from 1763. At the archives in
Fort de France, he says, they also have ten yearly indexes, which makes
research easier. Also, having the certificates (actes) themselves and not
on microfilm may seem handier to consult, although some might find
microfilms easier. At least, that's how I read what he declares, it's not
too well structured.
I don't mind at all you asking me more questions. One question to you : I
did not keep track of your original request, in other words, I don't know
at what time and in which island you have your different Claviers.
I live in Belgium, Oostende on the coast. That's not too far nor too
difficult to go and search in Paris. I've done that for some clients, for a
small fee and expenses. Of course, what I am writing here for you is a free
contribution to the discussion on the Caribbean List. Having friends who
can do the research in Martinique seems to be a very good option.
I am giving you separately a short reaction to your other mail to me.
Cheers.
Jan.
Jan Bousse
When you read the message below, please forgive me for sending it, by
mistake, to the List. It was meant to be for the eyes and ears of Pat only.
I was in a correspondence with her and pressed by mistake the key for
"reply all". It's an embarrassing mistake and I apologise to whomever might
feel it an inappropriate letter.
Jan BOUSSE
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Thus far, though, I've done on-line searches for "Sainte Lucie Fille de
la Martinique" at Barnes & Noble, Amazon, and the libraries at Princeton
& Rutgers Universities and have drawn a blank. If anyone is able to find
the book, I'd appreciate your letting me know. BTW, a Google search on
the title brought up a few hits mentioning both the book and the family
Clavier.
Regards,
Dick in Princeton, NJ
Jan Bousse
I found the announcement for the book by Eugčne et Raymond Bruneau-Latouche
while searching on the Google site. Did you see the details? Then you would
have seen where it can be ordered from the authors. Anyway, I happen to
know Eugčne Bruneau-Latouche, I met him once in Paris and have shared some
information with him. I could give you his e-mail address, or his home
address as it is given in the announcement. For whoever wants to know more
about it, it has 335 pages, an index of 3000 names, 34 reproductions, etc.
It was issued at that time, I believe year 2000, as a limited edition for
380 FFr, I would reckon that to be about 60 USD.
Jan BOUSSE
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officers and landowners on the islands of St. Lucia and Martinique.
There were also members of this family living in St. Thomas into the
1920s where my grandfather knew a white Tascher with a large house but
who made a lving raising goats. The most famous member of the family was
Josephine Tascher de Pelagerie wife first of the Marquis de Beauharnais
and then Napoleon Bonaparte.
Paul de la Bastide
For those interested in the book mentioned above, it can be found at the
University of Florida, as described below. I have also listed another
book concerned with the early history of Martinique, that was published
as a 2nd edition in 2000. One of its authors also co-authored the book
on St. Lucia. "Personnes et familles a la Martinique'' contains a lot
of information extracted from early land records and census documents.
Paul
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Year: 1989
Description: 332 p. : ill., maps ; 30 cm.
Language: French
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Saint Lucia -- Relations -- Martinique.
Martinique -- Relations -- Saint Lucia.
Note(s): Includes index.
Class Descriptors: LC: F2100
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Publication: Paris : Editions Désormeaux,
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RossignolP
others books of interest for Ste Lucia :
"Contribution à l'étude de l'histoire de l'île Sainte Lucie; essai de
bibliographie critique et d'inventaire des sources" by Xavier Steiner; Centre
de Généalogie et d'Histoire des Isles d'Amérique; dossier n° 15, 1999
Mention of Dr Antoine CLAVIER, conseiller municipal de Castries en 1851
Archives de Sainte Lucie, papiers concernant des familles françaises ou
d'origine française ; première partie : Archives conservées par la Société
Historique et Archéologique de Sainte Lucie. par Xavier Steiner
Société des Amis des archives, Fort de France, 1997
cordialement
Philippe Rossignol
RossignolP
Quelques petites présions
carré = 100 square feet around 1 hectare
CASE Navire was a suburb of Fort Royal (now Fort de France) so certificates
were recorded in Fort Royal
Regards
Philippe Rossignol
Dans l'article <004601c254e7$63d865e0$0100...@caribsurf.com>,
hmal...@caribsurf.com ("hans mallalieu")a écrit :
RossignolP
You must read Tasher de la Pagerie
La Pagerie was a "habitation" (plantation) in Martinique.
Regards
Philippe Rossignol
"genealogical generosity"
Dans l'article <12565-3D...@storefull-2116.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
Richa...@webtv.net (Richard Bond)a écrit :
RossignolP
I must respond to your e-mail.
I am president of a non profitable society. Are you a professional ?
I gave the sources were I found informations. What is not clear ?
We do not rermember of an enquiry from you perhaps you have not look at our web
pages in english : http:/members.aol.com/GHCaraibe/pub/pubquea.html
and http://members.aol.com/GHCaraibe/pub/pubgena.html
I wish you to have so many e-mails and letters we received thanking us for our
help and "genealogical generosity".
If I write in french it is not for" trying to make it (not) easy for you to
understand" but because my english is not fluent. In this group we can write in
french or spanish and helpfull members like Hans Mallalieu (Merci beaucoup) can
translate better than I write.in english.
Fin de la polémique
Philippe Rossignol
Dans l'article <5.1.1.6.0.200209...@mail-in.pandora.be>,
bous...@pandora.be (Jan Bousse)a écrit :
John Weiss
----- Original Message -----
From: "RossignolP" <rossi...@aol.com>
To: <CARIB...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: Surname CLAVIER
: Merci de la traduction
: Quelques petites présions
: carré = 100 square feet around 1 hectare
This looks a bit odd, even bearing in mind that "100 square feet" is not the
same as "100 feet square". 1 hectare is roughly 107640 square feet. In
Trinidad in 1816, 5 "quarrés" equalled 16 acres, which gives a quarré of
that time and place as being roughly 139392 square feet.
John Weiss
Jan Bousse
Je m'attendais bien sûr à votre réaction. J'ai exprimé mes regrets pour cet
incident, je n'ai pas voulu ouvrir une polémique, je suis content néanmoins
que vous la considérez comme finie. Ce que j'ai dit en privé, à un
correspondant, c'était mon opinion, et je la partage. Mais sans vouloir
vous insulter. Je reconnais d'ailleurs que j'ai mal évalué vos efforts
d'écrire dans une langue qui ne vous est pas familière et je suis sûr que
les membres du groupe apprécient vos contributions.
Sincèrement,
Jan BOUSSE
P.S. J'aurais voulu vous répondre aussi directement et en personne. Mais
vous avez choisi de m'écrire via la Liste et je n'ai pas trouvé votre
adresse personelle.
Dick Meyers
Dear Jan,
Thank you for offering help on getting the book, Sainte Lucie Fille de
la Martinique. Please, do send Eugčne Bruneau-Latouche's e-mail
address. I would like to purchase that book and, perhaps, the book on
Martinique.
Judy Zinis (Dick Meyers' wife and the Saint Lucia connection)
Jan Bousse
>
>Dear Jan,
>
>Thank you for offering help on getting the book, Sainte Lucie Fille de
>la Martinique. Please, do send Eugčne Bruneau-Latouche's e-mail
>address. I would like to purchase that book and, perhaps, the book on
>Martinique.
>
>Judy Zinis (Dick Meyers' wife and the Saint Lucia connection)
Dear Judy,
Here it is : gerald.brun...@wanadoo.fr.
It is Eugčne's address, even if it is in Gerald's name. He told me at that
time why, but that is almost two years ago. I hope he has not changed his
address. If you have any problem, contact me, I'll find a way. He probably
remembers me, we exchanged data on a CLARAC family in Trinidad.
Good luck
Jan Bousse.
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Ernest Wiltshire via
isn't wobbly, but sometimes my typing is...)
Translation:
Good day
There is no CLAVIER de CASE NAVIRE family.
Case has never meant Chateau.
The old deeds of Case Navire, now Schoelcher, can be looked for in Fort
de France [Martinique]
The microfilms of the deeds from 1763 on can be consulted in the Mormon
records [LDS]
The deeds from 1769 on can be consulted at the Martinique Archives.
There are also microfilms of decennial tables.
The Archives do no genealogical research but there is a professional
genealogist in Martinique who can do research.
The map of St. Lucia by Jean Francois LEFORT de LATOUR (1786) has been
reproduced in "St. Lucia, daughter of Martinique" by Eugene & Raymond
Bruneau Latouche, published in 1989.
In the plan of the Ilet a Carret, the "CLAVIER estate" residence is
shown along the Riviere Doree, 71 1/3 "carres" [acres more or less but
not sure of exact size] planted in coffee and cocoa trees.
[Square brackets are my notes. EW]
On 2015-09-21 2:55 PM, abel.louis1972 via wrote:
> Le jeudi 5 septembre 2002 09:40:43 UTC-4, PitterPat Clavier a écrit :
>> Dear Rossignol et al:
