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PA3/RPA Addition: Parentage of Margaret James, Wife of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall
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Brad Verity
Nov 15, 2012, 2:54:36 PM11/15/12
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In the 2004 edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 113 (sub Blakiston),
is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It states,
"He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret James".
No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823), where
Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
1595", and also provides no identification of Margaret's parents:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?compid=76349&filename=fig47.gif&pubid=456
First off, the marriage of "Marmaducus Blaxton" and "Margareta James"
took place at St Mary le Bow Church in the city of Durham, not London:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN55-DNT
'James' was not a common surname in Durham. A glance thru the indexes
of the marriages at St Margaret Crossgate Durham and St Mary le Bow
Durham, do not turn up instances of that surname (save for Margaret).
But the Register of Durham Cathedral does.
On 24 Feb. 1627/28 was christened "George, sonne of Mr John Cosins,
Prebendary. Sir George Toong, Mr Marmaduke Blakiston, prebendary,
godfathers; Mris James, godmother.":
http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00durh#page/2/mode/2up
John Cosin (future Bishop of Durham) was the son-in-law of Rev.
Marmaduke Blakiston & Margaret James, he having married their eldest
daughter Frances in August of 1626. So this child was their grandson.
Sir George Tonge the godfather was a nephew by marriage, having
married Rev. Marmaduke's niece Elizabeth Blakiston in 1609. Mrs James
the godmother would have to have been the wife of "Mr Willm James,
prebend", whose sons Richard & Harry, and daughters Anne & Elizabeth,
were christened in the Cathedral in 1622, 1624, 1625 and 1627
respectively. A footnoteto his burial in the Cathedral on 21 Jan.
1659/60 identifies William James, Prebend of Durham as "Nephew of
William James, Bishop of Durham":
http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00durh#page/94/mode/2up
The pedigree of William James, Bishop of Durham was taken in 1615,
with the informant being the Bishop himself:
http://www.archive.org/stream/pedigreesrecorde00lond#page/186/mode/2up
From it we learn that William James the prebend was the son of the
bishop's brother "Richard James of Littleone = Margaret, dau. of Thos.
Caldwell, of Marston, Staff." Little Onn in Staffordshire is where
the Bishop's family was from. The pedigree also states that William
James the prebend had a sister Margaret.
It would seem, then, that Margaret James, wife of Rev. Marmaduke
Blakiston, was the daughter of Richard James of Little Onn & his wife
Margaret Caldwell, and the niece of William James, Bishop of Durham
(1542-1617).
Any thoughts or corrections would be welcome.
Cheers, ----------Brad
is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It states,
"He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret James".
No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823), where
Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
1595", and also provides no identification of Margaret's parents:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?compid=76349&filename=fig47.gif&pubid=456
First off, the marriage of "Marmaducus Blaxton" and "Margareta James"
took place at St Mary le Bow Church in the city of Durham, not London:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN55-DNT
'James' was not a common surname in Durham. A glance thru the indexes
of the marriages at St Margaret Crossgate Durham and St Mary le Bow
Durham, do not turn up instances of that surname (save for Margaret).
But the Register of Durham Cathedral does.
On 24 Feb. 1627/28 was christened "George, sonne of Mr John Cosins,
Prebendary. Sir George Toong, Mr Marmaduke Blakiston, prebendary,
godfathers; Mris James, godmother.":
http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00durh#page/2/mode/2up
John Cosin (future Bishop of Durham) was the son-in-law of Rev.
Marmaduke Blakiston & Margaret James, he having married their eldest
daughter Frances in August of 1626. So this child was their grandson.
Sir George Tonge the godfather was a nephew by marriage, having
married Rev. Marmaduke's niece Elizabeth Blakiston in 1609. Mrs James
the godmother would have to have been the wife of "Mr Willm James,
prebend", whose sons Richard & Harry, and daughters Anne & Elizabeth,
were christened in the Cathedral in 1622, 1624, 1625 and 1627
respectively. A footnoteto his burial in the Cathedral on 21 Jan.
1659/60 identifies William James, Prebend of Durham as "Nephew of
William James, Bishop of Durham":
http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00durh#page/94/mode/2up
The pedigree of William James, Bishop of Durham was taken in 1615,
with the informant being the Bishop himself:
http://www.archive.org/stream/pedigreesrecorde00lond#page/186/mode/2up
From it we learn that William James the prebend was the son of the
bishop's brother "Richard James of Littleone = Margaret, dau. of Thos.
Caldwell, of Marston, Staff." Little Onn in Staffordshire is where
the Bishop's family was from. The pedigree also states that William
James the prebend had a sister Margaret.
It would seem, then, that Margaret James, wife of Rev. Marmaduke
Blakiston, was the daughter of Richard James of Little Onn & his wife
Margaret Caldwell, and the niece of William James, Bishop of Durham
(1542-1617).
Any thoughts or corrections would be welcome.
Cheers, ----------Brad
John Watson
Nov 15, 2012, 7:09:25 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 16, 2:54 am, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In the 2004 edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 113 (sub Blakiston),
> is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It states,
> "He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret James".
> No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
> source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
> Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823), where
> Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
> 1595", and also provides no identification of Margaret's parents:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?compid=76349&filename=fig...
> In the 2004 edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 113 (sub Blakiston),
> is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It states,
> "He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret James".
> No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
> source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
> Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823), where
> Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
There is a pedigree of James of Little Onn, Staffordshire, (not
showing the bishop's brother Richard) which takes the family back two
more generations, in Staffordshire Historical Collections, Vol. 4.
Online here:
'The parish of Church Eaton: Little Onn', Staffordshire Historical
Collections, vol. 4 (1883), pp. 64-102.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=52410
Regards,
John
Douglas Richardson
Nov 16, 2012, 12:08:54 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 15, 12:54 pm, Brad Verity <royaldesc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
< In the 2004 edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 113 (sub Blakiston),
< is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It
states,
< "He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret
James".
< No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
< source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
< Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823),
where
< Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
< 1595", and also provides no identification of Margaret's
parents:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?
compid=76349&filename=fig...
< In the 2004 edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 113 (sub Blakiston),
< is the account of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston of Newton Hall. It
states,
< "He married at St. Mary-le-Bow, London, 30 June 1595 Margaret
James".
< No identification of her parents is provided. No doubt Douglas's
< source for this was the Blakiston, of Newton-Hall, co. Pal. and Old
< Malton, co. York in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3 (1823),
where
< Surtees states "=Margaret James, mar. at St. Mary-le-Bow 30 June
< 1595", and also provides no identification of Margaret's
parents:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/image.aspx?
<
< First off, the marriage of "Marmaducus Blaxton" and "Margareta
James"
< took place at St Mary le Bow Church in the city of Durham, not
London:https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN55-DNT
Actually the marriage didn't take place at St. Mary le Bow in the City
< First off, the marriage of "Marmaducus Blaxton" and "Margareta
James"
< took place at St Mary le Bow Church in the city of Durham, not
London:https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN55-DNT
of Durham at all. Nor was this couple married on 30 June 1595 as you
state.
The principal source you've cited for the place and date of marriage
is an online collection entitled ""England, Marriages, 1538–1973"
produced by the LDS Church. They cite at their source FHL Microfilm
2082460. On the surface, that looks good.
However, when one pulls up the film notes for this microfilm, one sees
that the marriages for St. Mary le Bow, Durham parish for the time
stated are NOT included on that film. Rather, the parish registers
whose marriages are included on that film for the correct time period
are St. Mary-the-Less Church, Durham, 1560-1964.
That Marmaduke Blaxton and Margaret James were actually married in St.
Mary-the-Less Church, Durham is proven by a list of marriages for that
parish provided by Genuki at the following weblink:
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/DSL.html
This webpage includes marriages taken from Durham St Mary South Bailey
Registers [i.e., St. Mary-the-Less Church, Durham] provided by the
late George Bell from his large collection of Northumberland and
Durham indexes.
It lists the following marriage on 30 Jan. 1595/6, not 30 June 1596 as
you have it:
30 Jan 1595 [i.e. 1595/6] Marmaducus Blaxton = Margareta James
Assuming there hasn't been a transcription error by either Mr. Bell or
Genuki, the above information would correct both the date and place of
this marriage reported in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3
(1823), which source you also cited as a source for this marriage.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Brad Verity
Nov 16, 2012, 8:38:00 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 9:08 am, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
> This webpage includes marriages taken from Durham St Mary South Bailey
> Registers [i.e., St. Mary-the-Less Church, Durham] provided by the
> late George Bell from his large collection of Northumberland and
> Durham indexes.
>
> It lists the following marriage on 30 Jan. 1595/6, not 30 June 1596 as
> you have it:
>
> 30 Jan 1595 [i.e. 1595/6] Marmaducus Blaxton = Margareta James
>
> Assuming there hasn't been a transcription error by either Mr. Bell or
> Genuki, the above information would correct both the date and place of
> this marriage reported in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3
> (1823), which source you also cited as a source for this marriage.
Good research, Douglas. I've changed the church to St Mary South
> This webpage includes marriages taken from Durham St Mary South Bailey
> Registers [i.e., St. Mary-the-Less Church, Durham] provided by the
> late George Bell from his large collection of Northumberland and
> Durham indexes.
>
> It lists the following marriage on 30 Jan. 1595/6, not 30 June 1596 as
> you have it:
>
> 30 Jan 1595 [i.e. 1595/6] Marmaducus Blaxton = Margareta James
>
> Assuming there hasn't been a transcription error by either Mr. Bell or
> Genuki, the above information would correct both the date and place of
> this marriage reported in Surtees's 'History of Durham' Vol. 3
> (1823), which source you also cited as a source for this marriage.
Bailey, Durham in my database, and the date to 30 January 1596. I was
wondering yesterday why the marriage didn't appear on this list:
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/DSB.html
But as the IGI had it, I just figured there was somehow omissions on
the list above for 1593-1596. Now it's all explained.
I notice the only other marriage of a James at St Mary South Bailey,
per the list you linked to, down to the year 1650, is "Willmas James"
to "Elizabetha Ewbanke" on 3 Dec. 1620. This was William James,
prebendary of Durham, who was the nephew of Bishop William James. It
was their children who were baptized in Durham Cathedral.
I was at the library earlier today and downloaded the ODNB bio of
Bishop William James, by Michael Tillbrook. It states, "He [the
Bishop] had been thrice married. His first wife was Katherine Risby of
Abingdon. The identity of his second is unknown. His third was Isabel
Atkinson (née Rilley) of Newcastle upon Tyne, and it was their son
Francis James who was the principal beneficiary of the bishop's will.
James further advanced the interests of his own family by promoting
the clerical careers within the palatinate of his nephew William
James, his son-in-law Ferdinand Morecroft, and Morecroft's brother
George."
I got excited for a little while, thinking it was possible that the
bishop had a daughter. If he left her off of the pedigree he gave the
herald at the 1615 Visitation of Durham, perhaps he had other
daughters whom he left off, including Margaret, the wife of Rev.
Marmaduke Blakiston. But a little further digging reveals that
Tillbrook was likely incorrect in making Ferdinand Morecroft a son-in-
law of the bishop.
In the IGI is a marriage of "Ferdinando Murcrafte" and "Margarett
James" on 30 Sept. 1612 at Barrow Gurney, Somerset:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKCT-NJM
The Bishop of Durham had a brother, Francis James who was Chancellor
of Wells, per the pedigree the Bishop provided in 1615. The bishop
only mentions 2 sons, Francis & William, for his brother Francis:
http://www.archive.org/stream/pedigreesrecorde00lond#page/186/mode/2up
The bishop's brother Francis James has a bio in HOP, here:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/james-francis-1559-1616
Per the bio, Francis had 5 daughters in addition to the 2 sons. The
will of Francis James, Chancellor of Wells, was dated 27 May 1613, and
proved 14 May 1616. An abstract was published here (p. 39):
http://books.google.ca/books?id=PElFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:s4oKMvMi7-MC&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_NKmUKOlMeXZigL80IGIBQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false
In it, he styles himself "Francis James, D.C.L., of Barrow, Somerset",
and names his 5 daughters, all living: "Jane, Catherine, Philippa,
Mary & Margaret". A footnote adds there is a monument to Dr Francis
James in Barrow Gurney Church. Since Ferdinand Moorcroft married
Margaret James in 1612 at Barrow Gurney, and since the bishop did not
give himself any daughters in the herald's visitation pedigree of
1615, it seems fairly certain that the Margaret James who married
Ferdinand Moorcroft was not the daughter of Bishop William James, but
rather his niece, the (youngest?) daughter of his brother Francis.
Moorcroft was not a man from Durham, but rather seems to have hailed
from Lancashire & attended Oxford. Perhaps the bishop did not name
the 5 daughters of his brother Francis to the herald in 1615 because
his niece and her husband had not yet moved north up to Durham. The
first child of "Mr Fardinando Morecroft" to be christened in Durham
Cathedral, according to the Register (which begins in 1609), was a
daughter Sarah, on 16 Mar. 1625/26:
http://archive.org/stream/baptismalmarriag00durh#page/2/mode/2up
With the marriage of Margaret James, daughter of the bishop's brother
Dr Francis James, now identified, it makes it that much more likely
that the niece Margaret James, whom the bishop states in the 1615
Visitation pedigree was the daughter of his brother Richard James of
Little Onn, was the one married to Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston. The ODNB
bio, by J.T. Peacey, of Marmaduke & Margaret's son, John Blakiston the
Regicide (1603-1649), states that John was "the third son of Marmaduke
Blakiston (1565–1639) and Margaret James (1575–1636)". I don't know
from where Peacey got a birthdate of 1575 for Margaret James. It fits
for a woman married in January 1596, and having children up until
1614.
If she was indeed the daughter of Richard James of Little Onn, as it
seems, it's a bit of a red flag that her brother William James the
prebend (d. 1660) did not marry until 1620, about fifteen years after
Margaret. But it's also very possible that he was younger than his
sister: if he was aged 75-80 at his death, then he was born 1580-85,
5-10 years after Margaret, if Peacey's birthdate for her is accurate.
It's certainly feasible.
Cheers, -------Brad
MILLARD A.R.
Nov 17, 2012, 6:34:39 AM11/17/12
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> From: Brad Verity [mailto:royald...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 17 November 2012 01:38
Best wishes
Andrew
--
Andrew Millard - A.R.M...@durham.ac.uk
Bodimeade genealogy: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/
> Sent: 17 November 2012 01:38
>
> Good research, Douglas. I've changed the church to St Mary South
> Bailey, Durham in my database, and the date to 30 January 1596. I was
> wondering yesterday why the marriage didn't appear on this list:
> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/DSB.html
The church and parish are called St Mary-the-Less, not St Mary South Bailey. Bell's index is not using the formal name. There are three St Mary's in Durham, within a few hundred yards of each other - the Cathedral, St Mary-le-Bow (on North Bailey, across the street from the cathedral) and St Mary-the-Less (on South Bailey).
> Good research, Douglas. I've changed the church to St Mary South
> Bailey, Durham in my database, and the date to 30 January 1596. I was
> wondering yesterday why the marriage didn't appear on this list:
> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/DSB.html
Best wishes
Andrew
--
Andrew Millard - A.R.M...@durham.ac.uk
Bodimeade genealogy: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/
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William Good
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007620849%2f00098&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fwills%2f315734
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On Friday, 16 November 2012 06:54:36 UTC+11, Brad Verity wrote:
William Good
Brad Verity
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On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-8, will...@bigpond.com wrote:
> Margaret, daughter of Richard James of Little One, was baptised 27 February 1592/93 at Church Eaton, Staffordshire.
Dear William,
> Margaret, daughter of Richard James of Little One, was baptised 27 February 1592/93 at Church Eaton, Staffordshire.
Thanks for posting Margaret James's baptism entry. So much for my theory that Margaret (James), wife of Rev. Marmaduke Blakiston, was the daughter of Richard James of Little Onn. I've removed him as her father in my database.
Thanks & Cheers, -----Brad
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