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Brad Verity

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Aug 28, 2007, 12:30:37 AM8/28/07
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The Beverleys, a minor Yorkshire gentry family who no doubt originally
took their surname from the town of Beverley, were, by the 15th-
century, settled in the village of Selby, at the very eastern border
of the West Riding, on the west bank of the River Ouse. The Beverleys
remained there for a few generations, with their most notable marriage
being to the Methams of Metham. It was Thomas Beverley of Selby (d.
1613) who elevated the family's status. He managed to obtain an
heiress for a second wife when in 1571 he married Ellen Vincent (by
1558-1636), younger daughter and co-heiress of Marmaduke Vincent and
Anne Bowes of Aske. She brought the Richmondshire manor of Great
Smeaton to the Beverleys, enough of an increase in revenue and
influence that Thomas Beverley was appointed a justice of the peace in
1602-1603. They had a large family of eight children. Their eldest
son, Vincent Beverley (d.c.1634), married Mary Twisleton, and made
Great Smeaton his seat; second son John Beverley removed to Ganstead,
in Holderness, married Frances Constable of Catfoss (a descendant of
Edward I), and founded a branch of Beverleys there.

Many American descendants of Major Robert Beverley, who emigrated from
Yorkshire to Jamestown, Virginia, where he died in 1687, put great
stock in the possibility that he could have been the grandson of
Robert Beverley, the third son of Thomas Beverley of Selby and Ellen
Vincent. One Robert Fairfax of the parish of "Fisketon",
Nottinghamshire is said to have married in 1597, Frances Fairfax,
daughter of Henry Fairfax "of Bilboro". She is said to have been the
younger daughter of Henry Fairfax of Street Houses, Bilbrough, Yorks.,
by his wife Dorothy Aske (and thus a descendant of Edward III). There
is record of a Henry Fairfax naming his son-in-law Robert Beverley
trustee under his Will, which was dated 29 April 1599, pr. 31 Jan.
1600.

From
http://kykinfolks.tripod.com/parker/one.htm
"In 1650, William Beverley, the grandson of Robert Beverley and
Frances Fairfax, the Immigrants, went to England with his wife and his
son and daughter and Mrs. Beverley's nephew, Robert Munford and
William Henry Fairfax, son of Col. Wm. Fairfax of Belvoir of the Lord
Fairfax family of VA. The brief diary kept by William Beverley on this
trip shows that they visited the Fairfax home "Toulson" in Yorkshire
and that they later went to the city of Hull where they met a cousin,
Mrs. Phoebe Beverley, and received a letter from another, a William
Beverley, then living in Norwich. William Beverley (who made the trip
to England as aforesaid) was named by Lord Fairfax as one of the
commissioners in VA in the great Northern Neck land controversy and
the association of the families appears to have been very close,
leading to the surmise that Major Robert Beverley may have descended
from the Robert Beverley who married Frances Fairfax."

The identity of Frances Fairfax sounds promising, but it seems
unlikely that her husband Robert Beverley of 'Fisketon' could be the
third son of Thomas Beverley of Selby and Ellen Vincent, as there is
record of a Robert Beverley "of Smeton" being admitted to Gray's Inn
on 25 November 1605, who almost certainly would be their son. I don't
know how usual it was for a man to attend Gray's Inn six years after
getting married or how the Nottinghamshire parish of Fisketon ties in
with the Beverleys of Great Smeaton. Still, further research may
yield another Yorkshire gentry emigrant to 17th-century Virginia with
an Edward III descent.

The first established Beverley of Great Smeaton to marry into the
Edward III bloodline was John Beverley (c.1618-1680), the son and heir
of Vincent Beverley and Mary Twisleton. John succeeded his father to
Great Smeaton when he was only age 16, and in 1637 a marriage was
arranged for him with Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Beaumont of
Whitley, but she died childless. When war broke out between the King
and Parliament, John Beverley became the master of the West Riding
muster, and was a Major of a regiment of foot for Charles I. After
Parliament triumphed, John Beverley was fined £200 for his Royalist
loyalty. Probably after 1650, he took for his second wife, Mary,
elder daughter of John Dalton of Hawkswell. Her seven lines of
descent from Edward III thru Joan Beaufort are given below. The fact
that her father had been killed in action in 1644 as a Royalist
officer may have contributed to the match, but the major factor was
that her maternal uncle Conyers, Lord Darcy (later Earl of Holderness)
was seated at Hornby, less than 2 miles N.E. of Great Smeaton.

John Beverley and Mary Dalton had two sons and four daughters by the
pedigree of the family taken by Sir William Dugdale at his 1665
Visitation: Dorothy (born 1654), John (born 1656), Thomas, Elizabeth,
Mary and Anne. Despite his well-connected marriage, John Beverley
ended up falling into financial difficulties. He left Great Smeaton
and moved the family to Jervaulx Abbey. In about 1679 he arranged a
marriage for his son and heir John Beverley the younger, to Katharine,
daughter of John Stockdale of Kirk Hammerton, and died the following
year on 7 October 1680. His wife Mary survived him, but I've yet to
track down a death date for her. Continued financial worries
compelled their son and heir John Beverley to sell the Great Smeaton
estate for £1030 to Thomas Cust of Little Danby in 1692, and ended up
in a Chancery lawsuit (Beverley v. Cust, 1694) for Cust's "trickery"
during the sale's progress. The family enters complete obscurity
following this, and the fate of John Beverley and his siblings, or for
how many generations male-line descendants of John Beverley and Mary
Dalton continued, remains unknown.

Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440) had one son (C1)
and three daughters (A1, D1 & E1)

A1) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had (with B2
below),
A2) Joan Greystoke (c.1410-aft. 1472) m. Sir John Darcy of Temple
Hurst, Yorks. (1404-1458), and had
A3) Richard Darcy (c.1424-c.1450) m. Eleanor Scrope, and had
A4) Sir William Darcy of Temple Hurst (1443-1488) m. 1461 Euphemia
Langton, and had
A5) Thomas Darcy, 1st Lord Darcy (c.1467-1537), m. 1)Dowsabel Tempest,
and had
A6) Sir Arthur Darcy of Brimham, Yorks., 3rd son (c.1505-1561) m. Mary
Carew (descended from Edward III but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
A7) Thomas Darcy of Hornby, 2nd son (d. 1605) m. 1)by 1567 Elizabeth
Conyers (see B7 below), and had
A8) Conyers Darcy, Lord Darcy and Conyers (1570-1654) m. 1594 Dorothy
Belasyse (see D9 below), and had
A9) Dorothy Darcy (c.1605-1663) m. 1627 John Dalton of Hawkswell,
Yorks. (1603-1644), and had
A10) Mary Dalton (c.1630-aft.1680) m. by 1653 John Beverley of Great
Smeaton, Yorks. (c.1618-1680), and had
A11) John Beverley of Jervaulx Abbey (1656-aft.1694)

B2) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (c.1414-1487), who had
B3) Sir Robert Greystoke (d. 1483) m. 1) Elizabeth Grey (see G3
below), and had
B4) Elizabeth Greystoke (1471-1516) m. Thomas, 3rd Lord Dacre
(1467-1525), and had
B5) Anne Dacre (d. 1548) m. 1515 Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (see C4
below)
B6) John Conyers, 3rd Lord Conyers (1524-1557) m. 1537 Lady Maud
Clifford (see F6 below), and had
B7) Elizabeth Conyers (by 1552-1572) m. by 1567 Thomas Darcy of Hornby
(see A7 above)

C1) William Nevill, Earl of Kent (c.1408-1463), who had
C2) Alice Nevill (c.1437-by 1490) m. Sir John Conyers of Hornby (c.
1435-1469), and had
C3) William, 1st Lord Conyers (1468-1524) m. Anne Nevill (descended
from Edward III, but not thru Joan Beaufort), and had
C4) Christopher, 2nd Lord Conyers (by 1503-1538) m. 1515 Anne Dacre
(see B5 above)

D1) Mary Ferrers, Lady Neville of Oversley (1394-1458), had
D2) John Neville of Oversley (d. 1482), who had
D3) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. 1463), and had
D4) Sir William Gascoigne (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see E3
below), and had
D5) Anne Gascoigne m. Sir Thomas Fairfax of Gilling (c.1476-1520), and
had
D6) Sir Nicholas Fairfax of Gilling (c.1499-1571) m. 1) Jane Palmes,
and had
D7) Margaret Fairfax (d. 1577) m. by 1550 Sir William Belasyse of
Henknoll (1523-1604), and had
D8) Sir Henry Belasyse, 1st Baronet (1555-1624) m. by 1575 Ursula
Fairfax (descendant of Edward I), and had
D9) Dorothy Belasyse (d. 1653) m. 1594 Conyers Darcy, Lord Darcy and
Conyers (see A8 above)

E1) Eleanor Nevill, Countess of Northumberland (d. 1473), who had
(with G2 below)
E2) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had (with
F3 below)
E3) Margaret Percy m. Sir William Gascoigne (see D4 above)

F3) Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland (1449-1489) m. 1472 Maud
Herbert, and had
F4) Henry Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland (1478-1527) m. c.1490
Katherine Spencer (1477-1542, descendant of Edward III but not thru
Joan Beaufort), and had
F5) Lady Margaret Percy (c.1495-1540) m. 1513 Henry Clifford, 1st Earl
of Cumberland (c.1493-1542, descendant of Edward III but not thru Joan
Beaufort), and had
F6) Lady Maud Clifford m. 1537 John, 3rd Lord Conyers (see B6 above)

G2) Katherine Percy, Countess of Kent (1423-1504), who had
G3) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1472) m. Sir Robert Greystoke (see B3 above)

Cheers, -----Brad

Chuck Owens

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Aug 28, 2007, 8:05:16 PM8/28/07
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> Many American descendants of Major Robert Beverley, who emigrated from
> Yorkshire to Jamestown, Virginia, where he died in 1687, put great
> stock in the possibility that he could have been the grandson of
> Robert Beverley, the third son of Thomas Beverley of Selby and Ellen
> Vincent. One Robert Fairfax of the parish of "Fisketon",
> Nottinghamshire is said to have married in 1597, Frances Fairfax,
> daughter of Henry Fairfax "of Bilboro".

According to an article by Brent Tarter in the Virginia Genealogical
Quarterly, volume 31, No. 3, August 1993, Major Robert Beverley's
parents were Peter Beverley and Susannah Hollis (or Hollice) of Hull,
probably married circa 1633. Therefore it is highly unlikely that
Major Robert Beverley could have been a descendant of Robert Beverley
and Frances Fairfax. It would be interesting to explore Major Robert
Beverley's roots to see how he may be related to the other Beverley
families of Yorkshire.

Chuck Owens

WJhonson

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Aug 28, 2007, 9:11:03 PM8/28/07
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<<In a message dated 08/28/07 17:10:19 Pacific Standard Time, cance...@yahoo.com writes:
According to an article by Brent Tarter in the Virginia Genealogical
Quarterly, volume 31, No. 3, August 1993, Major Robert Beverley's
parents were Peter Beverley and Susannah Hollis (or Hollice) of Hull,
probably married circa 1633. Therefore it is highly unlikely that
Major Robert Beverley could have been a descendant of Robert Beverley
and Frances Fairfax. It would be interesting to explore Major Robert
Beverley's roots to see how he may be related to the other Beverley
families of Yorkshire. >>
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I'm missing how naming Robert's parents, precludes who his grandparents could be. Also unless you're leaving out something, I'm missing how this particular identification was cemented.

Will

Chuck Owens

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Aug 29, 2007, 12:45:28 PM8/29/07
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> I'm missing how naming Robert's parents, precludes who his grandparents could be. Also unless you're leaving out something, I'm missing how this particular identification was cemented.
>
> Will

Hi Will,

You're right. I should have included Major Robert Beverley's
christening date in my post. I think it is highly unlikely that
Robert Beverley and Frances Fairfax who were married in 1597 could
have been Major Robert Beverley's grandparents given the tight
chronology since Major Robert Beverley was christened in 1634/1635.
So between the 1597 marriage and his christening, we are looking at
about 37-38 years, not impossible but unlikely in my opinion.

Chuck


Chuck Owens

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Aug 30, 2007, 8:59:29 PM8/30/07
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I think it is highly unlikely that
> Robert Beverley and Frances Fairfax who were married in 1597 could
> have been Major Robert Beverley's grandparents given the tight
> chronology since Major Robert Beverley was christened in 1634/1635.
> So between the 1597 marriage and his christening, we are looking at
> about 37-38 years, not impossible but unlikely in my opinion.
>
> Chuck

Actually my conclusion is wrong. I was mentally inserting an extra
generation in the 37-38 years. It is possible that Robert Beverley
and Frances Fairfax could have been Major Robert Beverley's
grandparents.

Chuck


Leslie Mahler

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Nov 15, 2020, 5:16:01 PM11/15/20
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> 1600.f Hawkswell. Her seven lines of
> descent from Edward III thru Joan Beaufort are given below. The fact
> that her father had been killed in action in 1644 as a Royalist
> officer may have contributed to the match, but the major factor was
> that her maternal uncle Conyers, Lord Darcy (later Earl of Holderness)
> was seated at Hornby, less than 2 miles N.E. of Great Smeaton.
> John Beverley and Mary Dalton had two son
> following this, and the fate of John Beverley and his siblings, or for
> how many generations male-line descendants of John Beverley and Mary
> Dalton continued, remains unknown.

> Cheers, -----Brad



Thomas Beverley, died 1613, and his wife Ellen Vincent,
had another notable descendant, outlined below.

Their son Vincent Beverley, died 1634, was married to Mary Twisleton.

Their son Matthew Beverley, born 1634, baptized in the city of York 28 Sept. 1634,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3VM-KR7
was Minister at Manuden, Essex, as recorded in the Cambridge Alumni:
https://archive.org/details/alumnicantabrigipt1vol1univiala/page/146/mode/2up
His will was proved in 1713:
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=2&id=478896


Matthew and his wife Sarah had daughter Sarah, bp. at Manuden 3 Jan. 1667:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWZD-NQ6
She married there 6 Oct. 1691 to Robert Thurgood.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8B-H8S


Their daughter Margaret Thurgood, baptized at Manuden 10 Nov. 1696:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8B-CM6
was married there 22 Dec. 1713 to Thomas Levey:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8B-Z5K

The will for Thomas was proved in 1769:
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=2&id=963529


Their son James Levey was baptized at Manuden, 28 Aug. 1737:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP9X-FP8
married there in 1754 to Ann Barker.
James had a will proved in 1810:
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=969142


Their daughter Susanna Levey, baptized at Manuden 10 June 1764:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8B-FLP
was married there 9 Aug. 1784 to Robert Piper:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XK8B-PYH


Their son Isaac Piper was baptized at Manuden 21 May 1791:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP9X-VJW
Isaac, his wife Elizabeth, and their children were living in the
adjacent parish of Takeley in 1841:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ22-PH5

Their son George Piper was baptized at Takeley, Essex, 21 May 1826:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ7D-NQR

George and his wife Elizabeth were recorded in the 1871 Census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFN9-9HZ

Their son George Henry Piper, was born and baptized at Stanstead, Essex,
24 Sept. 1848:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7X5H-1DZM
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WS79-CJPZ
He was married 2 May 1875 to Eliza Hall
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQT3-KHN2

George and Eliza are recorded in the 1881 Census with their daughter
Phyllis, who was born in Foulden, Norfolk, who was born about 1877 :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-FFGN

Phyllis was the grandmother of this person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Collins

details here:
https://ethnicelebs.com/phil-collins

and here:
https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00482324&tree=LEO


Leslie (Lmahler at att.net)



Leslie Mahler

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Nov 16, 2020, 3:17:15 PM11/16/20
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Ellen Vincent, wife of Thomas Beverley, has royal descents,
including a line from King John, through Richard Bowes & Elizabeth Aske:

https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00089548&tree=LEO


Richard & Elizabeth had a daughter Anne, wife of Marmaduke Vincent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bowes

recorded in the Visitation of Durham:
https://archive.org/details/pedigreesrecorde00lond/page/38/mode/2up


Anne Bowes & Marmaduke Vincent were the parents of
Ellen wife of Thomas Beverley.

see footnotes 15 to 21 here:
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/north/vol1/pp198-199

The Beverley family pedigree is recorded here (but does not include
Matthew, born 1634):

https://archive.org/details/dugdalesvisitati03dugd/page/396/mode/2up

Leslie

wjhonson

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Nov 17, 2020, 3:23:34 PM11/17/20
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I am also showing a French royal descent through the Conyers, then back to the Alexander Percy of Ormsby until you get back to Josceline de Lorraine d 1189 who I have descending from Louis IV

Peter Stewart

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Nov 17, 2020, 3:59:57 PM11/17/20
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On 18-Nov-20 7:23 AM, wjhonson wrote:
> I am also showing a French royal descent through the Conyers, then back to the Alexander Percy of Ormsby until you get back to Josceline de Lorraine d 1189 who I have descending from Louis IV

Are you responsible for mistakes of your own in your posts, or are these
also covered by your uncivil defensiveness?

Perhaps you just retweeted from your even more arrogant and careless
twin that Joscelin of Lorraine (correctly Louvain) died in 1189
(actually in the year ending at Michaelmas 1180 as per CP).

Peter Stewart

Leslie Mahler

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Nov 17, 2020, 5:14:12 PM11/17/20
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On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 12:23:34 PM UTC-8, wjhonson wrote:
> I am also showing a French royal descent through the Conyers, then back to the Alexander Percy of Ormsby until you get back to Josceline de Lorraine d 1189 who I have descending from Louis IV


There is also a descent from Jean de Brienne, Latin Emperor, died 1237,
through the families of Greystoke, Clifford, Beauchamp, Mortimer, etc.

Leslie

wjhonson

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Nov 18, 2020, 12:08:47 PM11/18/20
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Peter Stewart

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Nov 18, 2020, 3:39:41 PM11/18/20
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If a newcomer here had posted such a feeble self-justification, no doubt
someone would patiently explain that a poorly-referenced page in
Genealogics last modified in 2002 is not an infallible authority to
repeat - especially without citation - in making unchecked assertions.

But for a poster who imagines himself to be a seasoned genealogist and
insult comic, it is pathetic.

Note that Leo named Joscelin's legitimate half-sister "Adeliza de
Louvain",
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007057&tree=LEO,
and stated that their father lived in Belgium,
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020126&tree=LEO.
That he ever represented Joscelin as surnamed "de Lorraine", having
lived in the Netherlands, and mistakenly placed his death in 1189 cannot
excuse your slack gullibillity.

Peter Stewart

lancast...@gmail.com

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Nov 20, 2020, 11:29:26 AM11/20/20
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I wonder if "Lorraine" was being used as a word for Lotharingia? I've seen this type of word usage on several Wikipedia articles, and for all I know maybe some historians even do it. I'm not 100% sure that would really help much, but there was a period when the Counts of Louvain claimed the Ducal position in Lower Lotharingia. Once they became Dukes they are not typically called Dukes of Lotharingia, but apparently there was a derived title "Lothier" they continued to pass down even if no-one else called them that.

Anyway, as discussed on Wikipedia, I recommend NOT using the word Lorraine for Lotharingia in early phases of history. It is just too confusing. I think even French historians avoid that. Later Lorraine in France, home of the quiche, was a rebooted and smaller version of Upper Lorraine.




Peter Stewart

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Nov 20, 2020, 3:10:08 PM11/20/20
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This uptightly misses the point - Joscelin's father was count of Louvain
by inheritance, and using that as a toponym is how Joscelin identified
himself (for example, in a charter for Fountians abbey "Jocelinus de
Luvain castellanus"). More frequently he identified himself as Joscelin
the brother of Queen Adeliza (for example "ego Jocelinus frater Aelidis
regine"), and she of course is usually known as Adeliza of Louvain.

Calling him "Joscelin of Lorraine" is somewhat like calling Henry I's
bastard son William de Tracy "William de England". The problem is not
with Lorraine/Lotharingia since Joscelin's father was (by appointment)
duke of Lower Lorraine - that is a common usage now, whereas "Lower
Lotharingia" is not.

Peter Stewart
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