Eudokia of Monpellier Part I

[Loren Varga]

Hi Group. There was a thread here on the above topic started by Peter Stewart.

Is there a Part II yet?

Also I am confused as to what is believed to be the ascendency of Eudokia. Can someone put it in a chart form?

There seems to have been a Kata of Georgia in the somewhere.

Thanks:
Loren

[pj.ev...@gmail.com]

There was one - actually, there are several more posts. I found them by searching the group for "Montpellier".

[Peter Stewart]

On 13-Nov-20 5:47 AM, Loren Varga wrote:
> Hi Group. There was a thread here on the above topic started by Peter Stewart.
>
> Is there a Part II yet?

There were a lot of posts in a series of threads starting with the first
of part 1 on 7 March 2020. There were four parts plus a bibliography.

If you are glutton enough for punishment you can access all of these by
clicking on the thread button in your Usenet browser (if that is the
right jargon) - in my case this is at the top left - or on Google Groups
as follows:

part 1 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/I5-2W_3XUBE/m/-aE_3kLMAgAJ

part 2 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/CXnq1RAU_HE/m/j2MF5DyDAQAJ

part 3 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/iEcKczYJ8lw/m/NYVwd-BrAQAJ

part 4/1 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/stVKoBFxXWM/m/UW6xBrl_AQAJ

part 4/2 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/3-Z74icWFbg/m/Yi8f41zTAQAJ

part 4/3 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/tN_ZVy7K7Z4/m/PXjAZlILAgAJ

part 4/4 -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/vp52skOypIo/m/MnQDdgQsAQAJ


bibliography -
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/h6jfCcTeLTs/m/mkIchF1AAQAJ

> Also I am confused as to what is believed to be the ascendency of Eudokia. Can someone put it in a chart form?
>
> There seems to have been a Kata of Georgia in the somewhere.

A primary understanding of my posts is that we can't know, beyond that
she was related to the Komnenoi closely enough to be sent by Emperor
Manuel I for a diplomatic marriage in the West. Having no direct account
of her parentage we can only go by speculation from vague circumstantial
evidence.

The current consensus of Byzantine scholarship, insofar as there is one,
tends to accept the ancestry proposed by Konstantinos Barzos in 1984
(omitted numbers are unknown):

2 Isaakios Komnenos, sebastokrator
3 Eirene 'Diplosynadene'
4 Ioannes II, emperor
5 St Eirene (Piroska) of Hungary
8 Alexios I, emperor
9 Eirene Doukaina
10 St Laszlo, king of Hungary
11 Adelheid of Rheinfelden

My conjecture is:

2 Alexios Axouchos, protostrator
3 Maria Komnene
4 Ioannes Axouchos
6 Alexios Komnenos, co-emperor
7 N (Eirene) Mstislavna
12 Ioannes II, emperor
13 St Eirene (Piroska) of Hungary
14 St Mstislav Harald, grand prince of Kiev
15 Christina of Sweden

I suspect she came by her romantic status as "empress" of the
troubadours through misinterpretation - she may have correctly
represented herself as "basileia", meaning an imperial princess, only to
be taken as claiming that she was "basilissa", meaning empress.

Peter Stewart