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GENIRE-NMD Digest Volume 98 : Issue 423

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [harve...@aol.com (Harvey1963)]
#2 Last question [rl...@aol.com (RLC74)]
#3 Two questions about men and marria [rl...@aol.com (RLC74)]
#4 Cork/Cloyne Diocese [el...@aol.com (ELD52)]
#5 Re: write good ideas down as s [tom_...@rocketmail.shoobedoobedo]
#6 Ordnance Survey [michell...@hotmail.com (Miche]
#7 Re: Irish Wankers! [jac...@alpinet.net (John A. Jacks]
#8 The McTigue Family name [regba...@aol.com (RegBarc112)]
#9 Re: "Anty" ? [cona...@ix.netcom.com]
#10 Re: "Anty" ? ["E.J. Doyle" <ejd...@nospam.ibm.n]
#11 Driscoll surname ["Judith J Boguski" <bamaj@frontier]
#12 Response from AOL [susan...@email.msn.com (Simmons]
#13 journal the "Irish Genealogist" ["E.J. Doyle" <ejd...@nospam.ibm.n]
#14 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [sjmc...@vaxxine.com (Jayne)]
#15 Water off of a ducks back! Good jo [Cher...@aol.com]
#16 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [mgtf...@aol.com (Mgtfjagxk)]
#17 Re: Irish Wankers! [Chris Cullinan <cullinan@alphalink]
#18 Re: Offaly Family History Center [shinr...@aol.com (Shinrone87)]
#19 Ponsonby Moore [Peter Fitzgerald-Moore <pfitzger@a]
#20 Re: Irish Wankers! [gwenm...@aol.com (GwenM10100)]
#21 FW: GOOLD/GOULD [vbga...@bigpond.com (Valerie Gart]
#22 TOBIN family [beth...@hotmail.com (Beth Indra)]
#23 "Stupid, foolish Brits"????? [CDu...@aol.com]
#24 Are you related to Vincent Van Gou [trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riord]
#25 Re: "Stupid, foolish "????? [Liam...@aol.com]
#26 Re: Irish Wankers [trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riord]
#27 Re: The McTigue Family name [lsq...@teleport.com (Lee Squire)]
#28 griffiths valuation interpretation [puz...@xtra.co.nz (Lindsay Holland]
#29 Re: write good ideas down as s [Paul Moloney <paul_moloney@hotmail]
#30 RE: Ahoghill Parish, County Antrim [colW...@bigfoot.com (Col Wilson)]
#31 Chris Stafford [Jim Donnelly <donn...@his.com>]
#32 Ahoghill-Magherafelt [DMcil...@aol.com]

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X-Message: #1
Date: 08 Jul 1998 23:56:33 GMT
From: harve...@aol.com (Harvey1963)
Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

Vicki Linday, your listowner, writes:

>>It is your job to censor since this newsgroup and mailing list is open to
everyone.

It is your job as a parent to make sure that your children only see what
you want them to see. It is not my responsibility as the listowner to make
that decision.<<

As you say Vicki, it's my job to censor what material arrives on my system,
that's why I am dropping your service, which I mistakenly assumed was a
genealogy forum concerned withthe study of Irish ancestry and connections. I
merely thought that it was your responsability to ensure that it remained so.
I stand corrected.

Best of luck
Ken
Researching:
HARVEY / HARVIE (IRE>SCT c.1850)
COWAN (DFS)
BLACK (ARG>LAK)
PREECE (Wales)
POVEY (Wales)

MCBRAYER MCBRIAR MCBRIER MCBRYER (SCT>IRE c. C17th; IRE>USA c.C17th; IRE>SCT
c. C19th)

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X-Message: #2
Date: 8 Jul 1998 23:52:43 GMT
From: rl...@aol.com (RLC74)
Subject: Last question

What's a "wanker" anyway?

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X-Message: #3
Date: 8 Jul 1998 23:52:00 GMT
From: rl...@aol.com (RLC74)
Subject: Two questions about men and marriage?

There may be no way to answer these questions but if there is someone out there
who can answer them I'd appreciate hearing from you.
1) In pre-1850 Ireland would it have been unusual for men to marry before 23 or

24?
2) In pre-1850 Ireland was it uncommon to marry a girl who lived more than a
few miles away?

Thanks

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X-Message: #4
Date: 8 Jul 1998 23:49:42 GMT
From: el...@aol.com (ELD52)
Subject: Cork/Cloyne Diocese

Searching for the descendants of the the following families that once lived in
Ballyandreen, Ballylanders, Kilmahon, and Dooneenmacotter.
Doyle, Collin, Cronin, Stafford, Maguire, Morrison, Casey and Walsh.

E-Mail to E...@aol.com

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X-Message: #5
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:39:09 -0800
From: tom_...@rocketmail.shoobedoobedowop.com (tom mcvey)
Subject: Re: write good ideas down as s

In article <35A401F5...@direct.ca>, Angele Yanor <aya...@direct.ca> wrote:

> thanks in advance. fish heads fishe heads rolly polly fish heads fish
heads fish
> heads eat them up yum.

I took a fish-head to the cinema didn't have to pay to get it in.

--
Remove "shoobedoobedowop" to reply by E-mail. Standard Disclaimer.

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X-Message: #6
Date: 8 Jul 1998 17:48:53 -0700
From: michell...@hotmail.com (Michelle Wright)
Subject: Ordnance Survey

Hello.

Could any one tell me where I would be able to find OS 6" Map Sheet with
reference number 47 on it. I think is is for Aghalarg Bog ( Townland)
Donaghenry ( Parish) stewartstown ( Division) Tryone ( County)

I am located in Australia, so an address, either email, 'net or slow
mail would be good.

Thanks

Michelle Wright
michell...@hotmail.com

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X-Message: #7
Date: 8 Jul 1998 18:20:40 -0700
From: jac...@alpinet.net (John A. Jackson)
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers!

The following is the reply I sent to Chris Stafford and I felt I also needed
to send it through GENIRE. There is no place in the human race for this
person's bigotry. Terri Jackson

In your vulgar verbiage your ignorance and pathetic nature shine through. I
wish you no ill. Your nature has provided you with all any human (and I use
the term loosely) can handle. Seek help!!

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X-Message: #8
Date: 9 Jul 1998 01:51:55 GMT
From: regba...@aol.com (RegBarc112)
Subject: The McTigue Family name

If anyone has the family name McTigue and their family originated from or
around Galway county, please tell me and notify me by E-mail at
RegBa...@aol.com. All I know is that they were from Connacht province and
the motto is: "Summum nec metuam diem nec optem - Let me neither fear nor wish
the last day". Thanks ahead......

James McTigue

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X-Message: #9
Date: 8 Jul 1998 19:15:36 -0700
From: cona...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: "Anty" ?

RLC74 wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me if Anty is a nickname and, if so, for what? Please e-mail.
> Thanks.

Hi,

Not familar with Anty, but Addie/Addy is a man's nickname.

Slan,
Margaret (Mairead)

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X-Message: #10
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:18:40 -0700
From: "E.J. Doyle" <ejd...@nospam.ibm.net>
Subject: Re: "Anty" ?

RLC74 wrote in message <199807082344...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>Can someone tell me if Anty is a nickname and, if so, for what? Please
e-mail.
>Thanks.

A standard abbreviation for Anastasia/Anastatia

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X-Message: #11
Date: 9 Jul 1998 02:16:36 GMT
From: "Judith J Boguski" <ba...@frontiernet.net@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Driscoll surname

While researching this surname I find that a grt, grt uncle, Joseph
Driscoll, born in Watertown, Wi. son of jeremiah and mary Ann Driscoll went
to Philadelphia. Are there any decendants out there???
The time frame would be in 1930. He would proabably have been in his 60's
at that time.

Also looking for decendants of William Driscoll from janesville or Beloit,
Wi

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X-Message: #12
Date: 8 Jul 1998 19:22:18 -0700
From: susan...@email.msn.com (Simmons/Anderson)
Subject: Response from AOL

Hello All,

Just for your information, I forwarded the moronic e-mail we all received to
ab...@aol.com and received the following reply from them:

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X-Message: #13
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:19:50 -0700
From: "E.J. Doyle" <ejd...@nospam.ibm.net>
Subject: journal the "Irish Genealogist"

My local library does not have any copies of the "Irish Genealogist" later
than 1994
1. Is it still published?
2. Who publishes it?
3. If they are still extant, do they have a web site/info?
4. Any reason for their low profile?

E. Doyle

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X-Message: #14
Date: 8 Jul 1998 19:24:37 -0700
From: sjmc...@vaxxine.com (Jayne)
Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

In defense of Vicki I must say that you Ken are putting us listowners on a
pedestal.

If you were on the other side of the list you would see the amount of work
that Vicki and I and other listowners do for you and others.

I, myself, have my lists closed meaning that anyone who wants to subscribe
has to come through me first and I decided to do this after I was harrassed
by subscribers, received so much spam on the list it was getting beyond a
joke and trying to keep out the trash that we unfortunately received on this
list.

Vicki can't do this to her list/s because it would be way too much work for
her to subscribe everyone herself who wanted to join her list/s as she has
thousands more subscribers than I do. This list is also gatewayed with the
newsgroup too meaning that Vicki has no control at all over what is posted.

I personally think that you are being ungrateful to Vicki, I know she puts
in a lot of hard work into not just this list but others too and all to
provide you and others with a vehicle to share your interests.

It is NOT Vicki's fault that this pervert decided to send some garbage to
the list and after all all computers are equipped with delete buttons. You
should try maintaining a list and see how you get on!

Jayne
Listowner and Rootsweb Sponsor

-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey1963 <harve...@aol.com>
To: GENI...@rootsweb.com <GENI...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

>Vicki Linday, your listowner, writes:
>
>>>It is your job to censor since this newsgroup and mailing list is open to
>everyone.
>
>It is your job as a parent to make sure that your children only see what
>you want them to see. It is not my responsibility as the listowner to make
>that decision.<<
>
>As you say Vicki, it's my job to censor what material arrives on my system,
>that's why I am dropping your service, which I mistakenly assumed was a
>genealogy forum concerned withthe study of Irish ancestry and connections.
I
>merely thought that it was your responsability to ensure that it remained
so.
>I stand corrected.
>
>Best of luck
>Ken
>Researching:
>HARVEY / HARVIE (IRE>SCT c.1850)
>COWAN (DFS)
>BLACK (ARG>LAK)
>PREECE (Wales)
>POVEY (Wales)
>
>MCBRAYER MCBRIAR MCBRIER MCBRYER (SCT>IRE c. C17th; IRE>USA c.C17th;
IRE>SCT
>c. C19th)
>
>______________________________

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X-Message: #15
Date: 8 Jul 1998 19:42:09 -0700
From: Cher...@aol.com
Subject: Water off of a ducks back! Good job to all listowners!!!

Jayne,

I agree wholeheartedly! Delete!!! And ignore. He hasn't come back yet, has he?
This person was just trying to get some people riled up and did a good job of
it too! I didn't know what all of the fuss was about until someone reposted it
(thank you, by the way). I used my delete button. Then after i saw the
response, I got curious. When I read it, it didn't bother me. Because I know
how proud I am of my Irish ancesters. They were strong and obviously thrived
and endured, because we are all here now to carry on their history. That makes
me proud, no matter who says what or what ANYONE else thinks!!! This mans
words ran off of my back like water off of a ducks back.

Peace
Bless and Blessed Be
An O'CONNER desc.
Cheryl in OKC

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X-Message: #16
Date: 9 Jul 1998 02:52:27 GMT
From: mgtf...@aol.com (Mgtfjagxk)
Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

Jayne, I agree with you and I thank all the list owners for their hardwork. I
believe we are all adults here and if we do not like what someone says we do
have a delete button. People who write such trash are looking for attention and
the best revenge is to ignore them.

christine
Oregon U.S.A.

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X-Message: #17
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:54:23 +1000
From: Chris Cullinan <cull...@alphalink.com.au>
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers!

Chris Stafford wrote:
>
> The Irish should bow down to us English. We are far better than them, mates.
>
More piffle from a ponney hoon. Betty Windsor
should be proud of him.

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X-Message: #18
Date: 09 Jul 1998 03:09:37 GMT
From: shinr...@aol.com (Shinrone87)
Subject: Re: Offaly Family History Center

I had a good experience, except it was not what I expected.

I received a note book, most of it was a form letter explaining what they can
and cannot do along with attachments with information regarding my relatives
that they had located.

I had already found most of the information they provided me on my own except
for the church records. Offaly Centre provided detailed information regarding
my relatives baptismal date, name of the actual community they resided in and
the names of godparents. Unfortunately they did not provide copies of the
actual records themselves only the source information.

Overall it was worth it for me.

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X-Message: #19
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:57:33 -0600
From: Peter Fitzgerald-Moore <pfit...@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Ponsonby Moore

I have a record of a marriage between Ponsonby Moore and Barbara
McConchy in 1813. Does anyone have this couple in their tree? Or any
other persons named Ponsonby Moore?
Peter Fitzgerald Moore
pfit...@acs.ucalgary.ca

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X-Message: #20
Date: 9 Jul 1998 04:00:03 GMT
From: gwenm...@aol.com (GwenM10100)
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers!

Chris Stafford is certainly getting the publicity he craves courtesy of all of
us who quote his drivel. We should invoke the good old useful Irish strategy of
the Boycott and reward him with ......silence!

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X-Message: #21
Date: 8 Jul 1998 21:17:40 -0700
From: vbga...@bigpond.com (Valerie Garton)
Subject: FW: GOOLD/GOULD

I hope this message will find the correct person as my reply to him was
returned.

Valerie

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Garton [mailto:vbga...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 11:18 AM
To: ccqa...@bigfoot.com
Subject: GOOLD/GOULD

I have an Ann Goold/Gould and a Mary Goold/Gould OAKSHOTT from s well known
family of OAKSHOTT's in Cork, Ireland. I have not pursued this further at
the moment but have always assumed that Goold/Gould was their mother's
maiden name.

Have you come across any of these names before.

Cheers for now from sunny Sydney, Valerie

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X-Message: #22
Date: 8 Jul 1998 21:19:11 -0700
From: beth...@hotmail.com (Beth Indra)
Subject: TOBIN family

I am looking for more information on the following people. James TOBIN
was born May 5, 1840, in Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland. He married Mary
Cummins on January 26, 1863, in Callan. They had 11 children: Patrick
Joseph, Thomas Joseph, Honora (Anne), Bridget (Jo), Richard (Dick), Mary
(Mollie), Ellen Cummins (Nelle), Elizabeth C. (Lizzie), John Edward
(Jack), Margaret Frances (Sr. Inez), and Bertha Agnes (Bert). They
arrived at Nodaway County, Missouri, in April of 1880. He died April 1,
1917. Mary TOBIN was born December 3, 1833, to Patt TOBIN and Catherine
Larkin. She married John Kellyand had 8 children: Richard, John,
Catherine, Patrick, Mary, Richard, Annie, and Bridget. She died on
October 19, 1900, and is buried near Callan. Mary TOBIN (1840-1900)
married Edmond Cummins about 1866. They had 7 children: Hanora (Nora),
Thomas, Patrick, Patrick, John, James Joseph, and John. If anyone has
information on any of these people or can tell me how to get information
on them without spending too much money (I'm short on money), please let
me know. Thanks!

Beth Indra
beth...@hotmail.com

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X-Message: #23
Date: 8 Jul 1998 21:33:15 -0700
From: CDu...@aol.com
Subject: "Stupid, foolish Brits"?????

I missed the entire "Chris Stafford" discussion. And have NO interest in it.

BUT I suggest people like MAGGIE speak for themselves as to what Americans
will or will not set ANYONE straight on!!!!!!! Either that or keep their
opinions to themselves.

I am an American who has lived and worked in England. I also have ancestors
who came from Ireland, obviously since I joined this list in order to learn
more about them.

I did not join this list to hear such biased, bigotted garbage.

Chris

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X-Message: #24
Date: 8 Jul 1998 21:54:12 -0700
From: trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riordan)
Subject: Are you related to Vincent Van Gough?

HERE IS A LIST OF VINCENT VAN GOUGH'S NOT-SO-FAMOUS RELATIVES

His obnoxious brother Please Gogh
His dizzy aunt Verti Gogh
The brother who ate prunes Gotta Gogh
The brother who worked at a convenience store Stopn Gogh

The brother from Yugoslavia U Gogh
The brother who bleached his clothes white Hue Gogh
The cousin from Illinois Chica Gogh
His magician uncle Wherediddy Gogh

His Mexican cousin Amee Gogh
The Mexican cousin's half brother Grin Gogh
The nephew who drove a stage coach Wellsfar Gogh
The constipated uncle Cant Gogh

The ballroom dancing aunt Tan Gogh
The bird lover uncle Flamin Gogh
His nephew psychoanalyst E Gogh
The fruit loving cousin Man Gogh

An aunt who taught positive thinking Wayto Gogh
The little nephew Poe Gogh
A sister who loved disco Ahgo Gogh
And his niece who travels the country in a van Winnie Bay Gogh

************************************************************************
***************************

Genealogy doesn't have to be so serious ALL the time. We all need a
laugh once in a while.

With all the turmoil caused by one idiot's offensive posting, let's
finally get on to the simple pleasure of sharing and helping each other
to discover and learn something new.

Thank you,
Tony Riordan

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X-Message: #25
Date: 8 Jul 1998 21:58:13 -0700
From: Liam...@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Stupid, foolish "?????

In a message dated 7/9/98 12:37:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CDu...@aol.com
writes:

<< I missed the entire "Chris Stafford" discussion. And have NO interest in
it.>>

Chris, if this is the case, and you attack Maggie, for stating a view base on
honest emotion, to the post BY THE BIGOT CHRIS STAFFORD.

Sir, you first admit you do not know what you are talking about, and then you
have the guts to orally attack a women.

Chris, you should be ashamed of yourself. You placed no honor on your family
name today. Shame on you.

I am sorry, I cannot wish you good day.

Bill Hall

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X-Message: #26
Date: 8 Jul 1998 22:10:50 -0700
From: trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riordan)
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers

-----Original Message-----
From: GwenM10100 <gwenm...@aol.com>
To: GENI...@rootsweb.com <GENI...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers!

>Chris Stafford is certainly getting ...

Reply:

HERE IS A LIST OF VINCENT VAN GOUGH'S NOT-SO-FAMOUS RELATIVES

His obnoxious brother Please Gogh
His dizzy aunt Verti Gogh
The brother who ate prunes Gotta Gogh
The brother who worked at a convenience store Stopn Gogh

The brother from Yugoslavia U Gogh
The brother who bleached his clothes white Hue Gogh
The cousin from Illinois Chica Gogh
His magician uncle Wherediddy Gogh

His Mexican cousin Amee Gogh
The Mexican cousin's half brother Grin Gogh
The nephew who drove a stage coach Wellsfar Gogh
The constipated uncle Cant Gogh

The ballroom dancing aunt Tan Gogh
The bird lover uncle Flamin Gogh
His nephew psychoanalyst E Gogh
The fruit loving cousin Man Gogh

An aunt who taught positive thinking Wayto Gogh
The little nephew Poe Gogh
A sister who loved disco Ahgo Gogh
And his niece who travels the country in a van Winnie Bay Gogh

************************************************************************
NOTE:

Genealogy doesn't have to be so serious ALL the time. We all need a
laugh once in a while.

With all the turmoil caused by one idiot's offensive posting, let's
finally get on to the simple pleasure of sharing and helping each other
to discover and learn something new. Let's put this in perspective.
Let's look forward to the future, and not dwell on the past. I know
that's not easy for some of us to do. And It's been a tragic problem
for Ireland, and ALL the Irish people, no matter what their background
may be.

Enjoy,
Tony Riordan

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X-Message: #27
Date: 9 Jul 1998 00:49:29 -0700
From: lsq...@teleport.com (Lee Squire)
Subject: Re: The McTigue Family name

Hi James --

My great grandmother was named BRIDGET MCTIGHE. My grandfather's death
certificate states she was born in Ireland - and unfortunately that is all
I know. I have been searching and posting for over 2 years with no
success. If you come across her name I would be most grateful if you could
let me know. She was born probably no later than 1847 or 1848 (my
grandfather was born in 1866 but I don't even know if he was the oldest
child). She married ? (John or Michael) Roddy and they lived in Des
Moines,Iowa.

Thanks,

Lee

>If anyone has the family name McTigue and their family originated from or
>around Galway county, please tell me and notify me by E-mail at
>RegBa...@aol.com. All I know is that they were from Connacht province and
>the motto is: "Summum nec metuam diem nec optem - Let me neither fear nor wish
>the last day". Thanks ahead......
>
>James McTigue

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X-Message: #28
Date: 9 Jul 1998 01:43:50 -0700
From: puz...@xtra.co.nz (Lindsay Holland)
Subject: griffiths valuation interpretation

I recently received a printout for the townland (Bleary), not far from
Portadown and Lurgan with a list of 190 or so names,
but could use some advise as to interpreting it.
1 is the Ratable Annual Valuation, the actual value of land and buildings
or is it the ammount of rates to be paid.
2 There are 9 members with our family name listed, including several
repeated names and some with another given name in (brackets) in italics,
ie
John Holland (george), John Holland (Robert), john Holland (Thomas) are
the names in brackets the fathers name?
3 in this townland all the 911 acres belongs to an Alexander J.R. Stewart,
who leases to about 30 extended families, where can I get further
information on the Landlord

It makes interesting reading, 64 tenants renting a house, 46 tenants
renting land and a house, 21 family groups with more than 10 acres. varying
from 150 ac to 11 ac

in the Holland Family group they have 39 acres valued at 40 pounds and 8
houses and offices valued at 11 pounds.

comments would be appreciated!!

Lindsay Holland

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X-Message: #29
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:06:44 +0100
From: Paul Moloney <paul_m...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: write good ideas down as s

tom mcvey wrote:

> I took a fish-head to the cinema didn't have to pay to get it in.

Was it your own head? That explains it.

Speaking of heads, did anyone see the program "In Search
of the Holy Foreskin" on Channel 4? It was on at an
ungody (pun intended) hour but I taped it. Yes, indeed,
some Italian church claimed to have perhaps the most
sacred relic of all - our Lord's foreskin. Which got
stolen when the parish priest brought it home during
renovation. (Silly moo.)

The logic behind worshipping a foreskin is that since
Jesus's body was meant to have ascended into heaven,
well, it's the only bit left behind. Spot on to the
rabbi who thought "I think this guy'll be famous one
day - I'll keep his foreskin, just in case.".

Anyway, they also featured other relics including saints'
decapitated heads, encased in gold and bejewelled
reliquaries, supposedly "remarkably preserved" (they
looked pretty unpreserved to me).

Religion - ain't it fun?

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X-Message: #30
Date: 9 Jul 1998 02:46:33 -0700
From: colW...@bigfoot.com (Col Wilson)
Subject: RE: Ahoghill Parish, County Antrim

Magherafelt(West of Lough Neagh) and Ahoghill(NNE of Lough Neagh) are about
30 miles apart. Don't have a map here but you should at least be able to
find them on a map now.

> (2) What is the distance between the two locations Ahoghill, County
> Antrim, and Magherfelt, County Derry.

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X-Message: #31
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 06:08:45 -0500
From: Jim Donnelly <donn...@his.com>
Subject: Chris Stafford

I think the poor chap is just a British soccer fan who was distraught about
the World Cup, spent the evening rioting and drinking, and then, at dawn,
found his thirst for mayhem unslaked and dashed off that note to us.

He probably regrets it.

Jim Donnelly

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X-Message: #32
Date: 9 Jul 1998 04:37:25 -0700
From: DMcil...@aol.com
Subject: Ahoghill-Magherafelt

<<(2) What is the distance between the two locations Ahoghill, County
Antrim, and Magherfelt, County Derry.
All ideas and comments welcome.>>

John

John,
It is 17 miles by road, via Portglenone and Bellaghy, from Ahoghill to
Magherafelt.

David McIlveen-Wright,
Coleraine, N. Ireland

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Today's Topics:
#1 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [mjo...@prairienet.org (Margaret J]
#2 Griffith's Valuation Interpretatio [JJKenny_Houston_Texas@compuserve.c]
#3 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [fra...@aztec.asu.edu (RAYMOND COL]
#4 Re: griffiths valuation interpreta [radf...@inforamp.net (Robert Radf]
#5 Seeking residence of Eden Prarie, ["Mary & Wendell (Pete) Gunn" <M&PG]
#6 Re: 1891 Census query [jled...@aol.com (JLedden49)]
#7 Re: Griffiths index cd [jled...@aol.com (JLedden49)]
#8 Re: Irish W*******! ["Robin McClelland" <Robin.McClella]
#9 Re: Moira County Down ["Robin McClelland" <Robin.McClella]
#10 Wolfe Nash Fleming & Castle surnam [kpr...@melbpc.org.au (Kate Press)]
#11 CUMMINS family [beth...@hotmail.com (Beth Indra)]
#12 Marr cert copies [pat...@ibm.net (Patsy McMillan)]
#13 Re: CUMMINS family [enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff]
#14 Kevin Joesph Flynn [jayj...@aol.com (Jayjay70)]
#15 RUSH surname in Laois ["Bradley Rush" <j...@b022.aone.net.]
#16 Re: GAGE / O'BRIEN [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#17 Re: Ordnance Survey [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#18 Re: Sergeant of Seagoe/Portadown ["Richard Ward" <richardward@bigpon]
#19 Re: locations in Ireland [sus...@st.net.au (Susan Perrett)]
#20 Re: Last question [Cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk (Charle]
#21 Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Re [ande...@tig.com.au (Diane Anderso]
#22 Re: Offaly Family History Center [gwenm...@aol.com (GwenM10100)]
#23 St Patrick's Training College [su...@mpx.com.au (Sue Bell)]
#24 First name Brid? [Cai...@aol.com]
#25 Goppsbridge, Co. Wexford??????? [jfro...@echelon.ca (Jim Roache)]
#26 Plant Family in Cavan ["Mark James Bradshaw" <M.J.B@bigpo]
#27 Pollock Family ["Mark James Bradshaw" <M.J.B@bigpo]
#28 Re: Cork Families [janfo...@aol.com (Janfortado)]
#29 Re: Cork/Cloyne Diocese [janfo...@aol.com (Janfortado)]

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X-Message: #1
Date: 9 Jul 1998 21:58:39 GMT
From: mjo...@prairienet.org (Margaret J. Olson)

Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

Mgtfjagxk (mgtf...@aol.com) wrote:
: Jayne, I agree with you and I thank all the list owners for their hardwork. I

: believe we are all adults here and if we do not like what someone says we do
: have a delete button. People who write such trash are looking for attention and
: the best revenge is to ignore them.

Mgtfjagxk - where did YOUR ancestors come from? :-) I agree with you
that ignoring bad behavior is the best way to handle jerks who get
their thrills from offending us.

GENBRIT-L and GENIRE-L are not and can not be censored for content because
they are gateway groups for the unmoderated newsgroups, soc.genealogy.britain
and soc.genealogy.ireland. The one thing which can be done (and is being
done on the mailing list side only) is some spam control - posts which have
gone to hundreds of groups - the ones telling you how much money you can
make - and the mailing list is not getting messages wtitten in HTML. The
news side is not being checked for this because as unmoderated groups, a
vote is needed - the same as if a new group were being created. The mailing
lists are being spared the blatant stuff. A computer program decides.

Luckily, we genealogists usually stick to genealogy and don't run around
attacking others or being rude. Right?

The trouble with newsgroups is that every so often some jerk who never reads
the group decides to crosspoast inflammatory messages to several unrelated
groups - and he (or she) then sits back and watches the "fun" created when
the people reading it in alt.fun.to.flame.people respond in a vulgar manner
to all the groups the first person posted to. Right now there are political
activists doing that to any group remotely Irish - and including some groups
known for their idiot readers. Adding one alt.sex group into the crosspost
is designed to inflame - and it does. All you people who have responded
to all those groups have added to that. Mailing list readers who respond
only send it here - but why bother? It isn't genealogy. Complain to the
perpetrator or his ISP, not to the messenger.

Your actions with regard to the group if you read from the newsgroup side of
the gateway is to ALWAYS check to see that any reply you make does not go to
any group you do not read - don't fall into the trap the jerk set for you.
An action on either side is to try NOT to tell the entire list of thousands
how you feel about one jerk. We all feel the same way. Screw up your
courage and hit the "delete" and avoid the temptation to respond.

And in case you ask what value the newsgroup has - why not just have a
mailing list - well the two were set up to be mirrors at the beginning, and
both have grown a lot - the mailing list is large - but the newsgroup
readership is much larger. I'll estimate that 10 to 20 times as many
people read and post from the newsgroup side of the gateway. The joint
effort is a great thing to have.

Margaret

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X-Message: #2
Date: 9 Jul 1998 15:26:59 -0700
From: JJKenny_Ho...@compuserve.com (J.J.Kenny_Houston_Texas)
Subject: Griffith's Valuation Interpretation

Lindsay Holland at puz...@xtra.co.nz asks:

I recently received a printout for the townland (Bleary), not far from
Portadown and Lurgan with a list of 190 or so names,

but could use some advise as to interpreting it. In this townland all the 911
acres belongs to an Alexander J.R. Stewart.......

Lindsay, If you are asking about Alexander Stewart who is the landlord of
record, you might check the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland at 66
Balmoral Avenue,Belfast BT 6NY,Northern Ireland.
Margaret Falley in her Ancestral Research work speaks of the Londonderry
Documents which contain the Estate Papers of the Stewart Family. Over 2,000
documents which mostly relate to the Stewart holdings in Co.Down represented
by rentals,lease books from 1740 to 1860 in ten year intervals and many more
areas.

Good Luck and God Bless You
JJKenny_Ho...@Compuserve.com(70444.222)
JJ.K...@BBS.Hal-PC.org

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X-Message: #3
Date: 9 Jul 1998 22:36:37 GMT
From: fra...@aztec.asu.edu (RAYMOND COLLINS)

Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

In a previous article, harve...@aol.com (Harvey1963) says:

I send my heartiest thanks to this listowner and to all listowners of the
different genealogy forums that I use. They perform a thankless task that
has helped many people all over the world to discover their roots. This
list has been of immeasurable help to me.
>Well, I've had enough.
>
>The recent rubbish that has been spoiling this list has made it necessary for
>me to censor it before letting my family read anything.

It's not the listowners job! It is surely the responsibility of the user
to delete anything that he/she finds offensive.
>That's not my job. That is the responsability, surely, of the list owner.

Quit whining and be thankful!

Thank you listowner -- you are doing a great job.

Ray

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X-Message: #4
Date: 9 Jul 1998 22:56:38 GMT
From: radf...@inforamp.net (Robert Radford)
Subject: Re: griffiths valuation interpretation

In article <1998070908...@cyclops.xtra.co.nz>, puz...@xtra.co.nz
(Lindsay Holland) wrote:

> I recently received a printout for the townland (Bleary), not far from
> Portadown and Lurgan with a list of 190 or so names,
> but could use some advise as to interpreting it.
> 1 is the Ratable Annual Valuation, the actual value of land and
buildings
> or is it the ammount of rates to be paid.
> 2 There are 9 members with our family name listed, including several
> repeated names and some with another given name in (brackets) in italics,
> ie
> John Holland (george), John Holland (Robert), john Holland
(Thomas) are
> the names in brackets the fathers name?

A recent issue (Vol. 5 No. 2 2nd Quarter 1998) of The Irish At Home and
Abroad has an article on interpreting Griffith's Valuation which, I
presume, is the document you are looking at.

In the article, the author, James R. Reilly, CGRS, says that the Rateable
Annual Valuation was an estimate of the annual rent a landlord could
reasonably expect from a responsible tenant i.e. not the proposed taxes.
And he goes on to say that in any case where two or more persons in a
townland had the same first and last name, the valuer added an "Agnomen"
or additional name. This could be an occupation or description to
distinguish individuals though the most common additional name was the
father's name (if the father was alive) or the mother's name (if a widow).

The author also suggests that where a number of people of the same name
lived near each other, they were likely related so that the fathers may
have been brothers and the common first name may have been that of the
grandparent.

--
Robert Radford
V-P, Research & Development
Radhome Corporation

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X-Message: #5
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:13:56 -0700
From: "Mary & Wendell (Pete) Gunn" <M&PG...@sinclair.net>
Subject: Seeking residence of Eden Prarie, MN

Hi,
Researching information on my grandmother's family. -
Christoffer/Christopher, arrived from Germany somewhere around 1857. Anyone
having information on Germans arriving around that time please contact me.
Mary K. Thews Gunn
mary...@hotmail.com

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X-Message: #6
Date: 9 Jul 1998 23:28:17 GMT
From: jled...@aol.com (JLedden49)
Subject: Re: 1891 Census query

<< I have a problem (haven't we all I hear you say), I'm trying to track
down the birthplace of my grandfather William Reilly who was born in
the USA in 1874 (place unknown). He was brought up in Ireland from
1885 onward and hoped to find him on the 1891 Census in Newtownbutler,
Co. Fermanagh but do not know if this is still available or if it had
been destroyed. If it is still available - could someone tell me
where I could get hold of a copy >>

The 1891 census for Ireland no longer exists. You can look at the 1901 census
which is available on loan on microfilm at any Family History Center.
If your grandfather was still in the United States in 1880, he would qualify
his household for listing in the 1880 census index which only lists households
with children under the age of ten.

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X-Message: #7
Date: 9 Jul 1998 23:34:50 GMT
From: jled...@aol.com (JLedden49)
Subject: Re: Griffiths index cd

<< If you find someone in the index what is the next step to find more
information on that individual >>

Basically all that Griffith's Valuation gives you is the name of an occupier
who is basically the head of household. You can follow the occupation of the
property by looking at the valuation lists which updated Griffith's. Sometimes
you will see a widow or child take over which could help with the
identification. Otherwise you will have to look at other records to confirm
that the family of interest lived in that townland or area. Before 1864, that
would be church records of baptisms and marriages for starters.
From 1864 on, you can look at civil registrations. And you can look at the 1901
census.

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X-Message: #8
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:47:04 +0100
From: "Robin McClelland" <Robin.Mc...@depozo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Irish W*******!

Chris Stafford wrote in message "******* etc"

Take no notice of him. I checked him out on Deja News - he has posted
absolute rubbish (mostly equally offensive) under a variety of names (he
usually signs himself "Louis") to a variety of newsgroups, including
alt.nuke.the.USA (seems to be his favourite).
In one message he claims to be 15 years old - but his messages are those of
a pre-pubescent juvenile delinquent.

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X-Message: #9
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:59:08 +0100
From: "Robin McClelland" <Robin.Mc...@depozo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Moira County Down

Your Name wrote in message <3594339B...@worldnet.att.net>...
>I would like to know if there is anyone that lives in or near Moira
>County Down.
>I am interested in obtaining information about the town as it is now and
>as it was in the mid 1800,s
>Thank you
>Tom
>

I occasionally have to drive through Moira, so have a passing familiarity
with it as it is now. It is a very attractive small market town / large
village, mostly centred around one main street which runs through it. The
town has tremendous civic pride and for a number of years has won
prestigious prizes for its tidy appearance and, above all, for its stunning
floral display each year. Virtually every building has abundantly blooming
hanging baskets, window boxes, tubs of flowers, etc. It is quite a well
preserved town of historic buildings, now mostly used as cafes, antique
shops, chic offices, etc. Earlier this year a car bomb went off in the town
(courtesy of one of the dissident Republican groups that has not declared a
cease-fire), which caused considerable structural damage to a number of
buildings at the top end of the town. Reconstruction work is under way, but
the signs of damage are still very evident.

Robin McClelland

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X-Message: #10
Date: 9 Jul 1998 17:11:05 -0700
From: kpr...@melbpc.org.au (Kate Press)
Subject: Wolfe Nash Fleming & Castle surnames

Seeking ancestors/descedants of WOLFE NASH FLEMING CASTLE Co. Cork.

Rebecca NASH m. (1) Thomas FLEMING in 1819 [see MLB] m. (2) 1827 to John
Wolfe in the Parish of Ballymoney Co. Cork, Ireland. John WOLFE farmed
Derreen, Parish of Kilmeen.
Issue:
Rebecca b. 1834 emig. Victoria, Australia
Mary b.c1830 emig. Victoria, Australia
William WOLFE b. c. 1830 remained Ireland

Rebecca NASH died c.1843 and John WOLFE married Barbara Elizabeth
CASTLE 1845-50
Issue:
Abigail WOLFE b. 1851 emigrated to Victoria, Australia

Abel WOLFE,farmed Kilvurra, Parish of Ballymoney, Co. Cork, Ireland.
Mary (dau of Abel) b. 1834 at Kilvurra, Parish of Ballymoney,
Co, Cork, Ireland

1831 John WOLFE found in Tithe Defaulter's Lists in Kilvurra townland
1831 Abel WOLFE found in Tithe Defaulter's Lists in Kilvurra townland
1852 Griffith's Val) William WOLFE rented hous, offices and land from
Thomas FLEMING

Any help appreciated.
Kate

An Irish Resource: The Tithe Defaulters Ireland - 1831 by Stephen McCormac,

The Tithe Defaulters lists of 1831 are application forms from Church
of Ireland clergy whose tithe income was withheld when farmers
failed to pay their tithes. 29,000 names on 15 fiche

Available in Australia
Data Tree Publishing,
Suite 393, 45 Glenferrie Road, Malvern, Vic 3144 Australia
E-mail: data...@alphalink.com.au
URL: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/index.htm

Available in U.SA.
The Irish At Home and Abroad
http://www.ihaonline.com/

Available in NZ
Beehive Books, P O Box 25-025, Auckland 5, NZ
Your One-Stop-Genealogy Shop!

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X-Message: #11
Date: 9 Jul 1998 18:09:26 -0700
From: beth...@hotmail.com (Beth Indra)
Subject: CUMMINS family

I am looking for information or help researching the following people.
Patrick CUMMINS was born to Thomas and Hanora Whelan CUMMINS on April 4,
1840, in Callan, Kilkenny, Ireland. His siblings were Edmond, Ellinor,
John, Mary, William, and Bridget. He left for America in 1865, stopping
first in New York City, then moving on to Ohio and Illinois before
settling in Nodaway County, Missouri, in 1870. On November 19, 1878, he
married Anna E. Ryan. They had 11 children: John Thomas, Mary Clare,
Hanora, Francis Edward, Catherine, William Patrick, James, Simon,
William Patrick, Agnes, and Julian. He died March 15, 1925.

Mary CUMMINS was born March 16, 1838, also at Callan. She married James
Tobin January 26, 1863, in Callan and arrived in Nodaway County,
Missouri, in April of 1880. Their children were Patrick Joseph, Thomas
Joseph, Honora, Bridget, Richard, Mary, Ellen, Elizabeth, John Edward,
Margaret Frances, and Bertha Agnes. She died March 30, 1920.

Edmond CUMMINS was born in 1828 to Tom and Hanora Whelan CUMMINS. He
married Mary Tobin, probably in 1866. Their children were Hanora,
Thomas, Patrick, John, and James Joseph. He stayed in Ireland and died
after 1878 (exact date unknown).

Any information or help would be greatly appreciated. I'm wondering
about a possible name change, as I can't seem to find any other Cummins
on any lists. Thank you!

Beth Indra
beth...@hotmail.com

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X-Message: #12
Date: 9 Jul 1998 18:19:53 -0700
From: pat...@ibm.net (Patsy McMillan)
Subject: Marr cert copies

Hi
Can anyone tell me where I write to to get a copy of a marriage
registration please. It is a Protestant marriage from Co Antrim in
1877. I know they are only about one pounds fifty each.
thanks
Patsy
--------------------------------------------------------------
38 Princes St,
WAIKARI 8276
North Canterbury NEW ZEALAND

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/8053 for a complete
list of names I am researching - SCT-IRE-UK-GER-AUS to New Zealand

Please sign my guestbook

pat...@ibm.net

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X-Message: #13
Date: 9 Jul 1998 18:26:52 -0700
From: enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff)
Subject: Re: CUMMINS family

MathesonÆs Special Report on Surnames of Ireland shows surnames with
five or more entries in the birth indexes of 1890, and the main counties
in which they were found. The birth rate was 1:44 at that time so you
can estimate the number of people of the name at that time. The great
value of Matheson's report is that it indicates how common a particular
surname is countrywide, provincially and also within a county. The
distribution of surnames has not changed significantly since the
publication of the Report - so it is reasonable to presume the same
pattern prior to 1890. CUMMINS is principally found in Dublin, Cork and
Tipperary.
Ellen

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X-Message: #14
Date: 10 Jul 1998 03:09:33 GMT
From: jayj...@aol.com (Jayjay70)
Subject: Kevin Joesph Flynn

I was born Kevin Joesph Flynn in 1946 in Buffalo NY. my parents were of irish
decent. If anyone has any information leading to the whereabouts of my
birthparents or family please respond.

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X-Message: #15
Date: 10 Jul 1998 04:02:37 GMT
From: "Bradley Rush" <j...@b022.aone.net.au>
Subject: RUSH surname in Laois

Hi all,

I know I have posted this message a few times, but I just need a little
direction on Michael 'Bartholomew' Rush and his origins.
On some certificates he has in place of origin 'Queens County' which I
believe is now called Laois. He had told his family he had 6 brothers that
were priests in the Catholic Church.
In all the online records, I can't find a Rush except for the ones who went
to America, my Rush went to Australia some time between 1820's and 1840's.
I still haven't found when or what ship he arrived on, and I can only go by
the first mention of him in 1849 in NSW and that on his death certificate
he had been in Australia for 75 years. He isn't listed in the convict side
of things either. One family member said she was told he came from
Portrush which is no where near Laois. A possible cousin of his came from
Tyrone, but there is no record that he is related.

Could some kind person tell me if there is a history of the Rush surname in
Laois for the early 1800's and is there an online info that could help me
in that area. If not, where was the Rush surname most common in Ireland
and I'll try in that area first.

Please help me if you can.

Kind regards

Bridget Rush

--
j...@b022.aone.net.au

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X-Message: #16
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:16:25 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: GAGE / O'BRIEN

See: http://www.mindspring.com/~cc003636/obrien.html
O'Brien Clan

This, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Dennis Ahern | The Irish Ancestral Research Association
Acton, Massachusetts | Dept. W, P.O. Box 619, Sudbury, MA 01776
ah...@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~ahern/TIARA.html
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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X-Message: #17
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:19:23 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Ordnance Survey

Col Wilson (colW...@bigfoot.com) wrote:
: I have an OS map in front of me (not the one you want) and the snail mail
: address on it is:-

: ORDNANCE SURVEY OF NI
: DEPT OF ENVIRONMENT (NI)
: COLBY HOUSE
: STRANMILLIS COURT
: BELFAST
: BT9 SBJ

: But you should try a search on the web they probably have a email nowadays.

See: http://www.nics.gov.uk/doe/ordnance/ordnance.htm
Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland

This, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #18
Date: 10 Jul 98 05:09:27 GMT
From: "Richard Ward" <richa...@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Sergeant of Seagoe/Portadown

I am hopeful of some help in finding further info on Robert and Nancy (Ann)
Sergeant, my GGG grandparents. They had a number of offspring William,
Benjamin, Ann, Sara, Letitia, Robert, James, Stewart, John.

Stewart b 1808, m Elizabeth Bradford 1830/40.

Possibly Robert and certainly Stewart migrated to Australia in the1850's,
Stewart and Elizabeth had numerous children and did quite well. Can you
help please.
Regards, Richard Ward.

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X-Message: #19
Date: 10 Jul 98 05:15:00
From: sus...@st.net.au (Susan Perrett)
Subject: Re: locations in Ireland

Hello Susanna

-> Quoting srahrah)_P{:"?@apk.net to All on 09 Jul 98 03:03:51 <-

sr> Subject: locations in Ireland

sr> I am new to genealogy, and am interested in County Cork. My
sr> father-in-law was born in Ireland, county Cork. The area he was born
sr> in was Shamballa (not sure of this spelling). I can't find this on any
sr> map of Ireland or Cork. Other area names which I received from family
sr> members (originally from Griffith's) are also not on maps. I believe
sr> they are in the area near Knocknagree and Millstreet.

There is a Shanabolla in the Eastern Region of co. Cork, around Fermoy.
Millstreet is in Western Region of co. Cork and is north of Macroom
Knocknagree is not far from Millstreet in the parish of Nohavaldaly, it's
between Millstreet and Kingwilliamstown.

Susan
(GOON member 2869 - One-Name Study for ALSTON)
E-Mail sus...@st.net.au
WEB PAGE http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.htm

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X-Message: #20
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 98 00:27:56 GMT
From: Cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk (Charles Ellson)
Subject: Re: Last question

In article <199807082352...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
rl...@aol.com "RLC74" writes:

> What's a "wanker" anyway?
>

A nickname for a particular class of Southern Railway tank locomotive.
:-)
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X-Message: #21
Date: 9 Jul 1998 23:59:25 -0700
From: ande...@tig.com.au (Diane Anderson)

Subject: Re: Recent Abusive Postings and Replies

I agree. Thank you from Australia.

Diane

>
> Quit whining and be thankful!
>
> Thank you listowner -- you are doing a great job.
>
> Ray
>
> --
>
>
>

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X-Message: #22
Date: 10 Jul 1998 10:25:16 GMT
From: gwenm...@aol.com (GwenM10100)
Subject: Re: Offaly Family History Center

If you don't get
>photocopies of the original documents, whatever they may be, how can one
>be sure that the information received is as accurate as possible.
>
> There was a post from someone a while back which said something
>about an agreement with the church and the Heritage Centers not to
>release actual photocopies of certain documents. Is this so? If the
>church has already released documents to lay organizations (Heritage
>Centers), what objection could there be to decendents having actual
>photocopies of any and all documents/paperwork they can find on their
>ancesters?
>
> Any Comments?
>
>Colman Ahern.

Since comment is invited I'll try this one. The records of the Catholic Church
unlike those of the Church of Ireland when it was the official "State" Church
have never been public property. The bishops generally determine policy as to
access for their particular diocese. Priests often have local discretion as to
who should be allowed to either see the actual registers or the printouts
returned to them for the registers that have been computerized or be provided
with information abstracted by the priest or parish staff.
There is concern for issues of confidentiality and privacy and for liability
also. A particular entry may identify an illegitimate birth or adoption which
from the genealogists perspective is simply interesting but family members
still living in the area might view it differently.
The Heritage Center program is one officially sanctioned by the government and
the various religious bodies to record information from a wide variety of
sources both to insure preservation of the data and to provide a resource for
genealogists and others researching family "roots" ( How well the sceme works
is not the purpose of this comment! ) for those purposes the information
itself is considered sufficient and any photocopies they could supply might
well be of the computer printout not the original document! It is calculated
that 90% of tourists in Ireland have at least a passing interest in their
family history. Providing the heritage centers was also an attempt to provide
local assistance to them while protecting to some extent the privacy of those
whose vital statistics are recorded in the registers.
For those who need "official" proof of ancestors records to support citizenship
claims etc. there are other sources such as the GRO which can supply Certified
copies of birth death and marriage register entries and Churches also issue
certified transcripts from the registers. Church and State Certificates are
the way to insure that the information is as accurate as possible.
Access to church as opposed to state information is a not a right, but even
census detail on individuals is not usually available until 100 years after
collection. Hope this helps to clarify Colman's question.
This is simply my comment on how it is, not how I neccessarily thing it should
be! :-)
Gwen

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X-Message: #23
Date: 10 Jul 1998 03:33:37 -0700
From: su...@mpx.com.au (Sue Bell)
Subject: St Patrick's Training College

My Great Grandfather, a school teacher in Queensland Australia, left
Ireland in 1880.

According to his teaching records, he studied at St Patrick's Training
School, Dublin in 1879-1880.

Does anyone have any information about St Patricks? Does it exist today?

Thanks,
Sue Bell

Sue Bell, su...@mpx.com.au
Sydney, Australia

Researching McLOUGHLIN, DAVIS, LOWRY, RYAN,
CULLIGAN, BIGGER, BOYD in Ireland

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X-Message: #24
Date: 10 Jul 1998 06:23:48 -0700
From: Cai...@aol.com
Subject: First name Brid?

A news article about the current unpleasantness in Armagh quoted an Assembly
member named Brid Rogers. Thought it was short for Bridget until the article
went on to say "he said." I never heard the name before. Is it short for
something?
Thanks,
Janet

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X-Message: #25
Date: 10 Jul 1998 06:30:27 -0700
From: jfro...@echelon.ca (Jim Roache)
Subject: Goppsbridge, Co. Wexford???????

Roche, Lawrence W. native of Goppsbridge Co Wexford, here 40 years. Died
April 12th aged 65. at Great Placentia. May 2, 1876 GNChr
Gertie Crosbie. So he would have been born in 1811.

The above obit appeared in a list published in Canada. But I cannot find a
Goppsbridge in Co Wexford at either ireAtlas or the irish Ancestors sites.
None of my trusty paper map either. Typo? Name change sine then? Anyone.
Thanx much.

Jim Roache

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X-Message: #26
Date: 10 Jul 98 13:35:02 GMT
From: "Mark James Bradshaw" <M....@bigpond.com>
Subject: Plant Family in Cavan

Searching the Plant family from Ireland, Samuel Plant born abt 1800 at
Cornaslieve Ireland married Jane Bell, they had abt 5 children all born in
the Cavan area of Ireland, any information on the Plants or the Bell
family, I would like to hear from you.
Cheers Mark :-))

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X-Message: #27
Date: 10 Jul 98 13:37:15 GMT
From: "Mark James Bradshaw" <M....@bigpond.com>
Subject: Pollock Family

Searching for the Pollock family in Ireland, I have a Robert Pollock who
married a Jane Huston.
Cheers Mark :-))

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X-Message: #28
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:16:25 GMT
From: janfo...@aol.com (Janfortado)
Subject: Re: Cork Families

I have Birminghams and Coughlans who married into my Roche family in the
Mitchelstown area. In fact, a Margaret Birmingham was a Baptismal sponsor for
one of Ellen Roche/John Gallagher's children. Please get in touch with me with
names and dates. Jan

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X-Message: #29
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:34:32 GMT
From: janfo...@aol.com (Janfortado)
Subject: Re: Cork/Cloyne Diocese

I have a Mary Casey who was a Baptismal sponsor for my Kenny family in the
parish of Ballylanders. Do you have any Kennys in your records as sponsors or
marriage witnesses? Jan

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Today's Topics:
#1 Re: Cork Families [trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riord]
#2 Re: Driscoll surname [clau...@my-dejanews.com]
#3 McMAHON - HARTIGAN [Mtm...@aol.com]
#4 Re: write good ideas down as s ["Howard Beale" <an...@anon.anon>]
#5 Re: Goppsbridge, Co. Wexford?????? ["celestine rafferty" <ra...@iol.ie]
#6 Re: First name Brid? ["celestine rafferty" <ra...@iol.ie]
#7 Re: Cork Immigrants to the USA [car...@vcn.bc.ca (Thos. Carney)]
#8 Re: Irish Wankers! ["john.cassidy" <john.cassidy@virgi]
#9 Re: Parish records and permissions [ril...@my-dejanews.com]
#10 icons on Cd-Index griff.Val.?? [Earl Costello <102775.3433@compuse]
#11 Carroll Family [And...@carraig.demon.co.uk (carrai]
#12 Help please- Mary Elizabeth PIM bo [v...@btinternet.com]
#13 Re: Carroll Family [enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff]
#14 Re: DON"T post comments here! (reg [wngs...@voyager.net (Beth)]
#15 Re: locations in Ireland [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#16 Re: "Anty" ? [gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon]
#17 Re: Marr cert copies [gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon]
#18 Re: St Patrick's Training College [gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon]
#19 Seaton [sgen...@aol.com (SGenJarbo)]
#20 ADVENTURERS IN IRELAND [wa...@squirrel.com.au (wazza)]
#21 FELON OR VICTIM ["donfam" <don...@tinet.ie>]
#22 Re: locate info for McGowan roots [mpi...@aol.com (MPit55)]
#23 McConville family [mcco...@my-dejanews.com]
#24 Surname spelling - O'CONNOR/CONNOR [LJess...@aol.com]
#25 Re: Ordnance Survey [edwin....@erols.com]
#26 Re: Mulhenny? [NR...@prodigy.net (Nancy Reeb)]
#27 Re: O'NEILL, Cornelius [edwin....@erols.com]
#28 Re: O'NEILL, Cornelius [edwin....@erols.com]
#29 Belfast, NI ["Gerry O'Hara" <sher...@planet.eo]
#30 Re: DALY, Kilsarkan and Caherpierc [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#31 Re: Marr cert copies [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#32 Re: Marriage Lookup, Co. Antrim [ah...@world.std.com ( )]

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X-Message: #1
Date: 10 Jul 1998 09:37:15 -0700
From: trio...@email.msn.com (Tony Riordan)
Subject: Re: Cork Families

Jan,
I have Emma GALLAGHER, who married Thaddeus SCOTT. Her son, Herbert L.
SCOTT was born 23 Sept. 1910. in Lowell, MA. He died 4 Feb. 1971 in
Lowell, MA. Could she be from the family of your County Cork
Gallagers?
Tony

-----Original Message-----

From: Janfortado <janfo...@aol.com>
To: GENI...@rootsweb.com <GENI...@rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Cork Families

>I have Birminghams and Coughlans who married into my Roche family in
the
>Mitchelstown area. In fact, a Margaret Birmingham was a Baptismal
sponsor for
>one of Ellen Roche/John Gallagher's children. Please get in touch with
me with
>names and dates. Jan
>

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X-Message: #2
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:41:43 GMT
From: clau...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Driscoll surname

ClaudiaT replies:
There are Driscolls living in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada...my brother-in-law
and family. Wonder if they are related to ones you mentioned?
In article <6o1964$1vs6$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>,

"Judith J Boguski" <ba...@frontiernet.net@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> While researching this surname I find that a grt, grt uncle, Joseph
> Driscoll, born in Watertown, Wi. son of jeremiah and mary Ann Driscoll went
> to Philadelphia. Are there any decendants out there???
> The time frame would be in 1930. He would proabably have been in his 60's
> at that time.
>
> Also looking for decendants of William Driscoll from janesville or Beloit,
> Wi
>
>

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X-Message: #3
Date: 10 Jul 1998 11:05:57 -0700
From: Mtm...@aol.com
Subject: McMAHON - HARTIGAN

Would be interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything about the
following family:

Henry McMAHON married Mary A. HARTIGAN on Sept 5, 1869 in NYC. They had at
least four children:

Thomas McMAHON b. March 24, 1872
Henry McMAHON b July 25, 1876
William McMAHON b. dec 4, 1887
and John McMAHON b. June 20, 1883 (baptized at St. Alphonsus' Church in NYC)

Thanks

Mary Theresa

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X-Message: #4
Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:29:05 GMT
From: "Howard Beale" <an...@anon.anon>

Subject: Re: write good ideas down as s

Paul Moloney <paul_m...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<35A48823...@hotmail.com>...

> tom mcvey wrote:
>
> > I took a fish-head to the cinema didn't have to pay to get it in.
>
> Was it your own head? That explains it.
>
> Speaking of heads, did anyone see the program "In Search
> of the Holy Foreskin" on Channel 4? It was on at an
> ungody (pun intended) hour but I taped it. Yes, indeed,
> some Italian church claimed to have perhaps the most
> sacred relic of all - our Lord's foreskin. Which got
> stolen when the parish priest brought it home during
> renovation. (Silly moo.)
>

Hope he wasn't eating a bag of 'hula hoops' at the time..

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X-Message: #5
Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:06:24 GMT
From: "celestine rafferty" <ra...@iol.ie>
Subject: Re: Goppsbridge, Co. Wexford???????

Probably Goffsbridge, near Foulksmills in Co. Wexford

Jim Roache <jfro...@echelon.ca> wrote in article
<35A61763...@echelon.ca>...

>
I cannot find a Goppsbridge in Co Wexford at either ireAtlas or the irish
Ancestors sites>

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X-Message: #6
Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:09:33 GMT
From: "celestine rafferty" <ra...@iol.ie>
Subject: Re: First name Brid?

Brid Rogers is an SDLP member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and is
definitely female. Brid is a Gaelic form of Bridget.

Cai...@aol.com wrote in article <b5c91c31...@aol.com>...

> A news article about the current unpleasantness in Armagh quoted an
Assembly
> member named Brid Rogers. Thought it was short for Bridget until the
article
> went on to say "he said." I never heard the name before. Is it short for
> something?
> Thanks,
> Janet
>

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X-Message: #7
Date: 10 Jul 1998 20:23:54 GMT
From: car...@vcn.bc.ca (Thos. Carney)
Subject: Re: Cork Immigrants to the USA

Yvonne:
A very good point. When I was a youngster, I was told my patneral
ancestors came from Waterford. Much later I read in my uncle's memoirs
that his grandpa used to boast that the only reason the "authorities"
built a new goal at Clonmel was because of the Carney clan. Obviously my
ancestors left Ireland in the 1840s from Waterford but originated
"upriver."
Tom Carney Vancouver Canada

Von (si...@access.net) wrote:
: Just a note to make people aware of one pitfall when looking for relatives
: in Ireland. Cobh (pron' Cove) in Cork was a major leaving point for Irish
: going to America. To get passage on a ship people most often went to Cork
: and waited for up to six weeks and took lodgings while waiting, so they
: gave Cork addresses when boarding. This causes a lot of families to
: believe they are from Cork, when they could be from anywhere on the Island.
: Hope this helps someone.
: http://www.celtic-family-gifts.com/irish_index.htm
: Yvonne Mahar

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X-Message: #8
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:33:34 +0100
From: "john.cassidy" <john.c...@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Irish Wankers!

If it was'nt for the English there wouldn't be any trouble in Ireland in
the first place.

What the English did to Ireland was no different to what Germany did to
Poland.

John

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X-Message: #9
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:44:01 GMT
From: ril...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Parish records and permissions

Hi, I'm trying to locate records from Ballinderry, Co. Galway. I hear it is
a very small village in Cummer Civil Parish, near Tuam (probably southwest
slightly of Tuam). Can you give me an idea of who to contact to find records
for my grandmother Delia Agnes Garvey (born in Ballinderry in 1876), whose
father was Patrick Garvey. I'm looking to find relatives still remaining
there or records of where the family went from there. Thank you, Martin Glynn

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X-Message: #10
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:40:10 -0400
From: Earl Costello <10277...@compuserve.com>
Subject: icons on Cd-Index griff.Val.??

Beside certain names on the CD of the Index to Griffith's
Valuation, there appears a symbol of a magnifying glass.
Can anyone tell me what is the significance of that symbol.
Thanks,
Earl.

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X-Message: #11
Date: 10 Jul 1998 14:57:44 -0700
From: And...@carraig.demon.co.uk (carraig)
Subject: Carroll Family

Okay I'm new to this so here goes...

Researching my father's side of the family.

Only details I have so far are that my grandfather was a William Hales
Carroll born 4 May 1889, baptised 28 May 1889 in Molyneux Church, Parish of
St Brides, Dublin. His father was George Robert Carroll and his mother
Harriet Mary Anne Carroll.

Is anyone else out there looking into this family? Any suggestions where to
take this further? Can I request copies of marriage and birth certificates
from the Registrar General in Dublin (how much??).

Thanks

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X-Message: #12
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:02:06 GMT
From: v...@btinternet.com
Subject: Help please- Mary Elizabeth PIM born c.1887

Another clue recently received is that Mary Elizabeth PIM was born in Dublin
c. 1887/88, the daughter of a Captain in the King's Own Scottish Borderers.
He (first name unknown) served in WW1 in that position. Were the family from
Eire or was it just coincidence that Mary Elizabeth was born in Dublin ? Is
PIM an Irish name ? All leads, gratefully received. Grandson born South
Africa is anxious to be able to "find" his forebears

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X-Message: #13
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:17:24 -0700
From: enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff)
Subject: Re: Carroll Family

General Register Office, Joyce House, 8-11 Lombard St. East, Dublin 2
Open 9:30-12:30 and 2:15 - 4:30
Fees are payable in Irish punts and cash (Irish, Sterling, US dollars)
for any amount.
A photocopy of an entry will contain the same details as a certificate
but is not suitable for administrative matters but is ideal for
genealogical purposes. Photocopy (including search fee) is Irpunts 3.00
and Certificate (including search fee) is Irpunts 5.50. If more than one
certificate relating to the death of the same person is required an
additional fee of 4.00 Irpunts should be sent for each extra
certificate.
What is required for search: Name in full, date of event, place of
event, age of deceased, occupation of deceased, whether single, married,
widow.
Ellen

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X-Message: #14
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:17:37 GMT
From: wngs...@voyager.net (Beth)
Subject: Re: DON"T post comments here! (reg. WANKERS)

Well said Pat!
Beth

In article <2.2.32.19980709...@jps.net>, tr...@jps.net (Pat
Traynor) wrote:
>Hello, all of you who respond here to vulgar or objectionable posts.
>
>Don't add to the problem by commenting on an objectionable post
>here, or repeating portions of the post.
>If we only see it that one time, and not have to see the 12
>posts it generated from offended parties it would soon fade from our memory.
>
>PLEASE resist the urge to comment on one of these by posting it
>for all to see. Sit on your hands and bite your tongue. Don't
>comment to this group!
>Let that post die quickly by totally ignoring it.
>
>Allow me to enlighten some of you newcomers to these types of posts;
>
>The name and address are almost always fake. You waste your time
>replying to fake addresses.
>
>Most are from the "FREE TRIAL" diskettes that are mailed out, mostly by AOL.
>
>Kids use them with a fictitious name to send out these "TROLL" posts.
>A TROLL is a post that is designed to illicit protests. The
>perpetrator then enjoys seeing all the responses his post
>generated. I'm sure he enjoyed all the attention he got on this
>list. If he saw no comments at all he would go somewhere else.
>These kids (mostly)can keep using different names each time and
>AOL has no way of stopping it. As soon as they cancel one
>account the kid posts from another one.
> Some of you were duped into thinking an insulting reply
>regarding English vs. Irish was also a legitimate post from one
>of our subscribers, when it was just another fake TROLL,
>designed to keep the furor going, and illiciting more comments,
>and it did just that. You swallowed the bait.
>
>When I see an objectionable post quoted in it's entirety, I
>always assume it is done by the original perpertrator, using
>another fake name, just to keep the comments coming.
>
>GENIRE is not a MODERATED list. Anyone can send a post to it, so
>don't blame GENIRE when a vulgar post comes in. Moderated lists
>require volunteers and there are other disadvantages to them.
>
>When a list can accept posts from places such as
>www.dejanews.com it receives more coverage and more people
>become aware of its existence. More coverage is good for a
>genealogy group as it may result in receiving the info you need
>to find your ancestors.
>Of course that also results in more SPAM and objectionable
>posts, but you need to use the e-mail program filter function to
>automatically reject the words you don't want to see. Or do as I
>do. Use a keywords finder program, and only read the posts that
>contain the keywords you are interested in. Then you would never
>see any objectionable posts. You would be unaware that there
>were such posts, you would save your eyesight, and a lot of
>time. I only saw it because of the extra time I have after using
>a keywords search program. I sometimes browse through the whole
>digest to see if there is anything else of interest to me, not
>included in my 30 keywords.
>
>Such a program can search a months worth of posts in a minute,
>and you wouldn't have to worry about missing information important to you.
>Return after a vacation and be able to scan 1000 messages in just a few
> minutes.
>I laugh when some folks complain or quit because of "too many
>messages" per day. The more the better if you are looking for
>information. They cannot be too interested in research if they
>quit a valuable resource for that reason.
>
>These genealogy groups are increasing each month as more and
>more people enter the Internet, so it will become an absolute
>necessity to use a scanning system to quickly go through the
>increasing volume of messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tr...@jps.net
>

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X-Message: #15
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:34:08 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: locations in Ireland

S RAHILLY (srahrah)_P{:"?@apk.net) wrote:
: I am new to genealogy, and am interested in County Cork. My father-in-law
: was born in Ireland, county Cork. The area he was born in was Shamballa

Could be Shanballymore, parish of Templemore, barony of Fermoy, poor law
union of Mallow in East Riding of County Cork.

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X-Message: #16
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:47:24 -0700
From: gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon Lowry)
Subject: Re: "Anty" ?

In message <35A428...@ix.netcom.com>, cona...@ix.netcom.com writes

>RLC74 wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me if Anty is a nickname and, if so, for what? Please e-mail.
>> Thanks.
>
>Hi,
>
>Not familar with Anty, but Addie/Addy is a man's nickname.
>
>Slan,
>Margaret (Mairead)
>

I wonder if you may be lookig at Northern vernacular for "AUNTY"?,
meaning off course The relationship
--
Gordon Lowry

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X-Message: #17
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:47:16 -0700
From: gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon Lowry)
Subject: Re: Marr cert copies

In message <35ae71b9...@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>, Patsy McMillan
<pat...@ibm.net> writes

>Hi
>Can anyone tell me where I write to to get a copy of a marriage
>registration please. It is a Protestant marriage from Co Antrim in
>1877. I know they are only about one pounds fifty each.
>thanks
>Patsy
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>38 Princes St,
>WAIKARI 8276
>North Canterbury NEW ZEALAND
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/8053 for a complete
>list of names I am researching - SCT-IRE-UK-GER-AUS to New Zealand
>
>Please sign my guestbook
>
>pat...@ibm.net
>

They are not ú1.50 they are ú6.50 each
--
Gordon Lowry

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X-Message: #18
Date: 10 Jul 1998 15:47:22 -0700
From: gor...@arminni.demon.co.uk (Gordon Lowry)
Subject: Re: St Patrick's Training College

In message <m0yuaUR...@new-kyoko.mpx.com.au>, Sue Bell
<su...@mpx.com.au> writes

>My Great Grandfather, a school teacher in Queensland Australia, left
>Ireland in 1880.
>
>According to his teaching records, he studied at St Patrick's Training
>School, Dublin in 1879-1880.
>
>Does anyone have any information about St Patricks? Does it exist today?
>
>Thanks,
>Sue Bell
>
>
>
>
>Sue Bell, su...@mpx.com.au
>Sydney, Australia
>
>Researching McLOUGHLIN, DAVIS, LOWRY, RYAN,
> CULLIGAN, BIGGER, BOYD in Ireland
>
>

I notice that you have listed LOWRY as one of your "names". I am a Lowry
and am researching the family, my Lowry's come from Belfast, if you
think there may be any connection e me and I will let you know what I
have.
--
Gordon Lowry

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X-Message: #19
Date: 10 Jul 1998 22:45:58 GMT
From: sgen...@aol.com (SGenJarbo)
Subject: Seaton

I am looking for the following information:

Surname: Seaton
History: as far back as possible

If anyone could help me it would be appreciated

Please send all Email to SGen...@aol.com

Thanks,

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X-Message: #20
Date: 10 Jul 1998 16:14:07 -0700
From: wa...@squirrel.com.au (wazza)
Subject: ADVENTURERS IN IRELAND

Does anyone have access to the Prendergast book "Cromwellian
Settlement in Ireland" - 2nd edition published in Dublin, 1922 by ?
Thank you
Susie Warren

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X-Message: #21
Date: 10 Jul 1998 23:21:33 GMT
From: "donfam" <don...@tinet.ie>
Subject: FELON OR VICTIM

Regarding recent posting re Irish Criminal Records Access. I cannot help
with any sort of official criminal records, however, if anyone may be
looking for their ancestor in the Kilmacrenan Area, Co Donegal around
MID 1800s, or, looking for a stray ancestor around that time regarding
criminal activities, then this information may be of assistance to them.

My 'Donegal People Locator' has records of 'Returns of Outrages' specially
reported by the Constabulary as committed within the Barony of Kilmacrenan
for the period January 5th 1851 to May 25th 1861.

These records specify: The nature of each offence.
Name of person (Victim or Perpetrator).
Number of arrested parties involved.
Whether convicted or not.

The records contain some 400 incidents within the Barony over this period.
The 'Donfam People Locator' contains the full listing of this report.
All the best
Ted
www.donfam.com (Donfam People Locator & Donfam People Registry).

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X-Message: #22
Date: 11 Jul 1998 00:39:40 GMT
From: mpi...@aol.com (MPit55)
Subject: Re: locate info for McGowan roots

> I have is: Peter McGowan was
>married to Bridget O'Neill between 1810-1817. Peter was a distiller in
>Belfast, county Armagh. They had a son named Dominick born in 1837 who
>emigrated to USA Brooklyn, NY.

Not really a connection but I have a McGowan family that I have reached a dead
end on too:
Terrence McGowan b. 1820's?? in Ireland (county????)
married Jane Goodwin b. in Ireland.
Terrence and Jane emigrated to Brooklyn, NYC (when??).
Had atleast one son, Charles, who was born in NY in 1849. He was said to have
had brother.
I have had no luck finding family in census, or finding birth record for
Charles.
Let me know if you come across Terrence in your research.
Mary in Charlotte, NC

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X-Message: #23
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:47:58 GMT
From: mcco...@my-dejanews.com
Subject: McConville family

Looking for information on McConville family from Co Armagh, in Portadown
area. Any info about McConville's Pub in Portadown.

Thomas McConville b. 1856 in Ireland, emigrated to England and married Minnie
Law. Had 8 children- Charles, Leonard, Minnie, John(Canada), Arthur, James,
Frances, Alex.

Other names looking for- Malcolm McConville(DR.?).

Would love to hear from other McConville's. Happy Hunting!!

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X-Message: #24
Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:07:29 -0700
From: LJess...@aol.com
Subject: Surname spelling - O'CONNOR/CONNORS

My great-grandfather was born in Co. Cork in 1826; emigrated to Canada in
1847; in the 1871 census, he is shown as John Conners; in other Canadian
records he is shown as Connors; when he came to U.S. and was naturalized in
1886, he is listed as O'Connor. I know that many Irish dropped the O' from
their names at emigration and then some changed it back later.

However, when I look for him in Ireland, is it safe to assume that I should be
looking for O'Connor, not Connors? Or, in 1830's, would it have been Connors
because the "O` was son of and not O (apostrophe)?

Thanks.

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X-Message: #25
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:23:57 -0700
From: edwin....@erols.com
Subject: Re: Ordnance Survey

Michelle Wright wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> Could any one tell me where I would be able to find OS 6" Map Sheet with
> reference number 47 on it. I think is is for Aghalarg Bog ( Townland)
> Donaghenry ( Parish) stewartstown ( Division) Tryone ( County)
>
> I am located in Australia, so an address, either email, 'net or slow
> mail would be good.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michelle Wright
> michell...@hotmail.com
>

> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

You can write to Valuation Office, Irish Life Centre, Abbey St. Lower,
Dublin 1, Ireland.

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X-Message: #26
Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:21:04 -0700
From: NR...@prodigy.net (Nancy Reeb)
Subject: Re: Mulhenny?

I have Mullany/Mullaney from Sligo and Mayo.

Nancy Reeb

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X-Message: #27
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:33:14 -0700
From: edwin....@erols.com
Subject: Re: O'NEILL, Cornelius

futch.carberry wrote:
>
> edwin....@erols.com wrote in article <35A2E2...@erols.com>...
> > Have been searching for five years for info on my g-gf, Cornelius (Neal)
> > O'Neill- without luck... Cornelius was born about 1825 in
> > Ireland (where?)... Immigrated to US via Montreal in late 1840s or early
> 1850s... probably fought in Battle of Vicksburg (1863). Married
> Eliza Geary/Garry in
> Vicksburg in 1860.
> > If any of this rings a bell, or if you have any suggestions, please
> contact me.
>
> Ed, a couple of observations that may lead to something:
>
> 1. Have you gotten his Civil War pensions papers? I have a C.W. soldier
> in
> my family, for whom his father applied as late as 1884 for a pension (the
> son
> was killed in 1864, unmarried). There is a lot of biographical info that
> can be
> in the supporting affidavits; the father even stated the name of the
> person who performed his marriage ceremony.
>
> 2. I found my Carberry's Irish county of last residence, by finding his
> 1855 Montreal death entry in parish records on microfilm, indexed
> alphabetically
> in a card file, in the Regional Archives in Montreal. In fact, I found all
> Carberry parish death and birth entries in the Province of Quebec in the
> 1850s that way, including a child previously known as being a number, one
> of three ever born to the mother, as listed on a U.S. census. I was there
> in person to do
> that research, but there are genealogists who can do it for you; I had my
> info on the microfilm screen within ten minutes of entering the building.
> Per-
> haps someone can do a lookup for you, at elast in the card file, for
> O'Neills
> in Montreal in the right decade for a sibling of Cornelius to have a
> marriage,
> etc., on the theory that he was accompanied by family members.
>
> 3. Having done Co. Clare research for over three years and having viewed
> decades of parish entries in East Clare, I can say that Cornelius was
> definitely used in East Clare in the 1800s. Of course, O'Neill is a common
> surname in Clare. You might try the Householder's Index, to get at Tithe
> Applotment records, which in Clare started in 1814 and went through the
> 1820s. You will want any townlands in which a Cornelius is listed, and
> then
> determine the parish, to get to the parish microfilm.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Sharon Carberry
>
>
Sharon,
Thanks for the suggestions. Will let you know if any pan out.
Ed O'Neill

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X-Message: #28
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:37:37 -0700
From: edwin....@erols.com
Subject: Re: O'NEILL, Cornelius

b-hall wrote:
>
> Do you have Cornelius's parents' names by chance. I'm checking a book I
> have here, but it is hard to find without the parents's names.
>
> bh
>
> edwin....@erols.com wrote:
>
> > Have been searching for five years for info on my g-gf, Cornelius (Neal)
> > O'Neill- without luck. I'm going to Ireland on August 3 and am making
> > one last attempt to find info on him. Cornelius was born about 1825 in
> > Ireland (where?). Studied for Catholic priesthood but left seminary
> > during famine to help support family. This was probably 1846-1849.
> > Immigrated to US via Montreal in late 1840s or early 1850s. Ultimately
> > settled in Vicksburg Misssissippi and probably fought in Battle of
> > Vicksburg (1863). Married Eliza Geary/Garry in Vicksburg in 1860.
> > Children were: Mary Roseanna, Katherine, Cornelius John (my gf), and two
> > Patrick J.'s. If any of this rings a bell, or if you have any
> > suggestions, please contact me. Thanks.
> > Ed O'Neill

bh,
That's the problem. I do not know the name of Cornelius O'Neill's
parents. I can guess, from the names of his children, that it was
Patrick and Katherine, but that's only a guess. Thanks for any help you
might give.
Ed O'Neill

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X-Message: #29
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:05:04 -0600
From: "Gerry O'Hara" <sher...@planet.eon.net>
Subject: Belfast, NI

Is there anybody on the list from Belfast, or any other part of N.I. ???

Gerry O'Hara

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X-Message: #30
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:14:22 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: DALY, Kilsarkan and Caherpierce, Kerry

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Kerry.htm
Kerry Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records
Provides search service for a fee

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/kerry.html
Kerry sources for genealogy

http://www.teltec.ie/~library/map/kerry.html
Public Libraries in Co. Kerry

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #31
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:17:52 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Marr cert copies

See: http://www.kst.dit.ie/nat-arch/genealogy.html#births
Irish Register of Births, Marriages, and Deaths since 1864

http://www.lds.org/Family_History/How_Do_I_Begin.html
Indexes available on microfilm at LDS Family History Centers

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #32
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:15:08 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Marriage Lookup, Co. Antrim

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/AntmDown.htm
Antrim Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records
Provides search service for a fee

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/antrim.html
Antrim sources for genealogy

http://genealogy.org/~liam
County Antrim surname database

http://www.btinternet.com/~lochist/gahs.htm
Glens of Antrim Historical Society

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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Acton, Massachusetts | Dept. W, P.O. Box 619, Sudbury, MA 01776
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GENIRE-NMD Digest Volume 98 : Issue 427

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: LONGFORD HERITAGE CENTRE [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#2 Re: Plant Family in Cavan [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#3 HELP. HELP. HELP. find spainish co [rope...@n-jcenter.com]
#4 unsubscribe [kbr...@telusplanet.net (KEITH and]
#5 hello [jam...@webtv.net (Jamey McGinty)]
#6 McBroom County Armagh [white <famw...@xtra.co.nz>]
#7 Beattie County Down [white <famw...@xtra.co.nz>]
#8 Grogan ["Brenda Townsend Hall" <BrendaHall]
#9 Re: Tithe Defaulters Ireland - 183 [kpr...@melbpc.org.au (Kate Press)]
#10 CROMWELLIAN SETTLEMENT OF IRELAND [wa...@squirrel.com.au (wazza)]
#11 Mahan from Cnty Kildare [ZPX...@prodigy.com (Dennis C. Mah]
#12 Re: "Anty" ? ["P. Connolly" <phil...@iol.ie>]
#13 unsubscribe [bmoor...@aol.com (BMoore8600)]
#14 Re: Surname spelling - O'CONNOR/CO [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#15 Manners - a small word [jayo...@iol.ie (Jane O'Brien)]
#16 From Ireland - but you don't know [jayo...@iol.ie (Jane O'Brien)]
#17 Re: Mahan from Cnty Kildare [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#18 Re: Beattie County Down [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#19 Willy DILLON, m.1905 to Mary ??? [DONMO...@compuserve.com (Don Mo]
#20 Re: McBroom County Armagh [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#21 Mathew Doris and Ann McGuire Count [tr...@ameritech.net (Thomas Ronayn]
#22 GUMMERSON [Marcel Blanchaer <bla...@cc.umanit]
#23 WYLIE;Bangor;1940 to present ["R&S Performance Services, USA" <r]
#24 Re: Aran Islands [John <jnk...@erols.com>]
#25 HARRISON;Bangor,Northern Ireland;1 ["R&S Performance Services, USA" <r]
#26 Re: CROMWELLIAN SETTLEMENT OF IREL [ro...@cybertours.com]
#27 The CAUDY family tree. [kje...@aol.com (KJE1972)]
#28 Re: ADVENTURERS IN IRELAND [al...@juno.com (Anne Lamb)]
#29 Re: CUMMINGS [enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff]
#30 O'Hallorans IRE- Prince Edward Isl ["Darcy" <hi...@westol.com>]
#31 Re: Beattie County Down [nm...@ix.netcom.com (Norris)]
#32 Mulqueen. Limerick/Co Clare ["Geoffrey Forster" <Geoffrey.Forst]
#33 Re: Mathew Doris and Ann McGuire C [ah...@world.std.com ( )]
#34 Re: Albert Agricultural Training E ["Robin McClelland" <Robin.McClella]
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X-Message: #1
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:15:50 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: LONGFORD HERITAGE CENTRE

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Longford.htm
Longford Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://longford.local.ie/genealogy/
County Longford Museum and Heritage Centre

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/longford.html
Longford sources for genealogy

http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/tmoffatt/longford.html
The Longford Collector

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #2
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:20:03 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Plant Family in Cavan

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cavan.htm
Cavan Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://www.cavan.local.ie/
County Cavan information

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/cavan.html
Cavan sources for genealogy

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #3
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:29:37 GMT
From: rope...@n-jcenter.com
Subject: HELP. HELP. HELP. find spainish connection

Could you please help me? where do I start to find spainish relative? The
Countessa Donna Medici,[one of 11 children] I think related to king Cosmos?
Seville spain not sure of spelling came to England and married an irish
fella ADAMS from Cork a doc Countessa would be born c.1850 many thanks simon
Roper rope...@n-jcenter.com

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X-Message: #4
Date: 10 Jul 1998 21:01:56 -0700
From: kbr...@telusplanet.net (KEITH and DONNA BRESEE)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsbribe

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X-Message: #5
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: jam...@webtv.net (Jamey McGinty)
Subject: hello

just wanted to drop in an Irish hello!

LATER,

JME

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X-Message: #6
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:12:45 +1200
From: white <famw...@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: McBroom County Armagh

I am researching the McBroom family of County Armagh. The only
information that i have is that of Jane McBroom who married Joseph Black
in 1951 in County Armagh. Any help would be appreciated.
Sue

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X-Message: #7
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:15:25 +1200
From: white <famw...@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Beattie County Down

Can anyone help with information about a James Beattie who was born
around 1820 in County Down. He left Ireland as a single man and went to
the Californian goldfields, then on to the Victorian goldfields, finally
settling in Otago NZ in 1861.
I would appreciate any help or ideas as to where to search.
Sue

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X-Message: #8
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:32:57 +0200
From: "Brenda Townsend Hall" <Brend...@compuserve.com>
Subject: Grogan

I am interested intracing ancestors on my father's side. Despite being a
Catholic name my father's family were Protestants. They came to England
before the First World War but I have no information about them at all.

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X-Message: #9
Date: 11 Jul 1998 00:19:10 -0700
From: kpr...@melbpc.org.au (Kate Press)
Subject: Re: Tithe Defaulters Ireland - 1831

Re: Tithe Defaulters Ireland - 1831

>Has anyone used the above ?

>URL: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/index.htm
>If so can you let me know how you found the information from them.

These lists provide the name of the defaulter, their occupation, their
address and the tithe arrears. They also provide the affidavits for
the parish, lists of clergy, and a comparison to the census data
(statistical). They are available in genealogical libraries and are
fro sale from a few sources.

Available in U.SA.
The Irish At Home and Abroad
http://www.ihaonline.com/

Available in Australia
Data Tree Publishing,
Suite 393, 45 Glenferrie Road, Malvern, Vic 3144 Australia
E-mail: data...@alphalink.com.au
URL: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/index.htm

Available in New Zealand

Beehive Books, P O Box 25-025, Auckland 5, NZ
Your One-Stop-Genealogy Shop!

Tithe Defaulters Ireland - 1831 by Stephen McCormac,

Malvern: Data Tree Publishing (1998)
ISBN 0-9585255-0 (MICROFICHE)

The Tithe Defaulters lists of 1831 are application forms from Church
of Ireland clergy whose tithe income was withheld when farmers

failed to pay their tithes. The lists are available in the æOPMA'
Official Papers: (æMiscellaneous and Assorted') boxes at the
National Archives. Some counties have more names listed than
others, and some counties are not covered at all in the lists. Stephen
McCormac has abstracted the information from the lists, and his
extracts are now available on microfiche arranged geographically.
The original records were sometimes patchy and lacked consistency
but where the information was available the townland, parish and
occupation of the defaulters have been transcribed. Each set includes
an introduction explaining the history of the tithes, an example
of the Form of Affidavit and the Clergy Relief Fund Act and an
example of a Schedule (for Ballynemara, Co. Kilkenny). Also
each set includes (for all counties) the OPMA index reference
numbers for the National Archives, a comparison to the data in
the 1831 census (statistical), the tithes due and tithe arrears by
parish, and a list of clergy. For further information regarding
the lists see æThe Tithe-Defaulter Schedules for Ireland - 1831',
æThe Genealogist', Vol IX No 1 March 1998.

Kilkenny: 10,263 names on 4 fiche

Tipperary: 9346 names on 3 fiche

Wexford: 2773 names on 2 fiche
incl. 54 names for Wicklow

Cork: 2115 names on 2 fiche

Waterford: 1838 names on 1 fiche

Louth: 965 names on 1 fiche

Limerick: 851 names on 1 fiche

Laois 360
Meath 36
Carlow 437
Offaly 23
Kerry 20
886 names combined on 1 fiche

Complete collection 29,027 names on 15 fiche

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X-Message: #10
Date: 11 Jul 1998 00:31:05 -0700
From: wa...@squirrel.com.au (wazza)
Subject: CROMWELLIAN SETTLEMENT OF IRELAND

Thank you every one. I have got lots of help now.
Susie Warren

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X-Message: #11
Date: 11 Jul 1998 07:30:41 GMT
From: ZPX...@prodigy.com (Dennis C. Mahan)
Subject: Mahan from Cnty Kildare

Would welcome any information on the Mahan Surname and related families from or in the county of Kildare, Ireland.

Thanks

DC Mahan

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X-Message: #12
Date: 11 Jul 1998 08:23:09 GMT
From: "P. Connolly" <phil...@iol.ie>
Subject: Re: "Anty" ?

> >RLC74 wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone tell me if Anty is a nickname and, if so, for what? Please
e-mail.

Could be Anthony - it's often shortened in Ireland to Anto.

Phil

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X-Message: #13
Date: 11 Jul 1998 11:22:24 GMT
From: bmoor...@aol.com (BMoore8600)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubsribe

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X-Message: #14
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:58:22 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Surname spelling - O'CONNOR/CONNORS

See: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/4499/
O'Connor Family Researchers

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X-Message: #15
Date: 11 Jul 1998 05:24:35 -0700
From: jayo...@iol.ie (Jane O'Brien)
Subject: Manners - a small word

Over the time I have made look up offers I have noticed one thing.......an
extreme lack of manners.

Here in Ireland we say thanks, it doesn't matter what for..or who to..what
their status is - none of these things matter. If they serve you or do
something for you the automatic response is thanks.

I don't know how much mail I get every week...what I do know is that the
majority of people who mail me asking for information in relation to any of
my past look up offers (with the exception of the Monaghan one) or who come
at me out of the blue with a question.....don't bother to say thanks.

It's simple really, hit the reply to author key and type in a few
letters....and it makes such a difference. I figure that if 10 per cent of
those who mail me bother with this then that is a lot.

So I would like to say to you all: Please do not mail me asking for
anything in future if you can't be bothered acknowledging receipt of my
response and a thanks.

Admittedly a certain percentage of what I send out never arrives at its
destination and vice versa. SHort of setting my mailer to notify me of
each receipt and therefore doubling the amount of cleaning up I have to do
I have no way of knowing who receives my mails and who doesn't. Believe me
I have no desire to increase the number of mails coming in to me every day.

Thanks.

Jane

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X-Message: #16
Date: 11 Jul 1998 05:25:07 -0700
From: jayo...@iol.ie (Jane O'Brien)
Subject: From Ireland - but you don't know where - Advice.

Your ancestors came fom Ireland but you really haven't got a clue what
part.....there are a few things you need to *forget* in order to save
yourselves years of work.

First of all...the BMD registers began in 1864. Not many actually
registered...but looking through these gives you some clues. Forget the
fact that your particular ancestors arrived whereever it was prior to this
date. Forget the Christian names you are looking for and concentrate on
the surname.

Get the BMD registers for the year 1864......and read through the
surnames...and the references to where these people were registered. Take
every person of that surname and write the name down and the registration
district.

Go to the 1880 registers...and do the same thing.

Put the whole lot into an excel programme and sort by registration
district. You will begin to see 'clusters' of the name in various
counties......and these places are where you begin your Parish register
search...and the Griffiths and the Tithe books........and everything else
you can lay your hands on.

Once you think you have something from the Parish registers find a person
willing to check the current local telephone directory, who knows the
area......and try to find more clusters or people located in the place you
want.

Buy yourselves Irish OS maps.....the current Discovery series is quite
good. the only problem is that these maps do not necessarily cover a full
county. You may need to get four maps, each one covering bits of three or
four counties......these cost four pounds and twenty pence in Ireland.

I don't know where you can get them outside Ireland so please don't anyone
ask me.

The maps are not indexed..you will need to read through each quadrat one by
one. Cemeteries in any area are marked on some counties and not on others.
Some cemeteries have been transcribed and others not. Some cemeteries in
this country will never be transcribed because they are in such appalling
state that you can't even see one stone - just bumps in the ground.

You'll never get anywhere by just collecting names from whatever part of
the counry they occur in, or someone gives you a list of. But a
combination of these will save you much frustration.

Jane

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X-Message: #17
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:10:58 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Mahan from Cnty Kildare

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Kildare.htm
Kildare Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/kildare.html
Kildare sources for genealogy

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #18
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:09:54 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Beattie County Down

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/AntmDown.htm
Down Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/down.html
Down sources for genealogy

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #19
Date: 11 Jul 1998 06:10:46 -0700
From: DONMO...@compuserve.com (Don Montague)
Subject: Willy DILLON, m.1905 to Mary ???

I've just discovered a previously unknown cousin, one Willy Dillon, and
found from an ancient family letter that he was married to Mary (May) ???
on 11th January 1905 at St. Mary's Church, Cadogan Street - presumably in
Brompton, London?

Living in France I'll make for the Family History Centre for a copy of his
marriage certificate when I'm next in London, but in the meantime is there
anyone out there who knows anything about this fella? His mother was a
MacCabe from Drogheda, County Louth I believe, and there is a rumour of a
brother called Shaun Dillon who may have been in a Catholic order at
Tournai at the time of Willy's marriage.

Don Montague
Les Arbres
24500 SERRES-ET-MONTGUYARD
France

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X-Message: #20
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:09:15 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: McBroom County Armagh

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Armagh.htm
Armagh Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/armagh.html
Armagh sources for genealogy

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #21
Date: 11 Jul 1998 06:58:51 -0700
From: tr...@ameritech.net (Thomas Ronayne)
Subject: Mathew Doris and Ann McGuire County Longford

I'm looking for any information about Mathew Doris and Ann McGuire of
County Longford who emigrated to the US before 1838.

He--according to legend--was a priest who left the priesthood, they
married, and wound up in Oswego County, New York.

Thanks.

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X-Message: #22
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:54:22 -0600
From: Marcel Blanchaer <bla...@cc.umanitoba.ca>
Subject: GUMMERSON

Looking for GUMMERSON anywhere in Ireland.

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X-Message: #23
Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:04:02 GMT
From: "R&S Performance Services, USA" <rn...@gte.net>
Subject: WYLIE;Bangor;1940 to present

Hi,

My maiden name is Sarah-Jane Wylie and I'm looking for family or old
classmates from Rathmore Primary School.

I was born July, 1967 in Bangor, Northern Ireland. My parents are Douglas
A Wylie and Valerie Harrison. We lived on Innisfayle Drive until Sept.
1976 at which point we moved to America.

I'd love to hear from anyone connected to my past (or my parents)...

Sarah-Jane
RN...@gte.net

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X-Message: #24
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:12:42 -0500
From: John <jnk...@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Aran Islands

Ann Wheeler wrote:
>
> Has anyone done any research for family on the Aran Islands? Where are their
> records kept? Are they considered part of Co. Clare, or another county?
> Thanks,
> Ann Wheeler
> awh...@directinter.net

The Aran Islands are in County Galway, barony of Aran. Each of the three
islands constituted its own civil parish and townland - Inishmore (the
big island), Inishmaan (the middle island), and Inisheer (the east
island). All three islands fell under the Roman Catholic parish of Aran.
The Aran islands also belonged to the Poor Law Union of Galway and the
Dioceses of Tuam.

The major source records available for the islands are:
1821 census - lists each member of a household, relationship,
occupation, and village of residence.
Tuam Marriage Register for 1828 - lists bride, groom, witnesses, and
village.
Tithe Applotment Books (1834 and 1837) - lists land occupiers (heads
of household), quantity of land, value, and tithe.
Griffiths Valuation (1855) - lists residents (heads of household),
lessors, description of holdings, and tax. The valuation lists were
updated aperiodically well into the 20th century, and can be used to
trace land ownership and, in many cases, to infer relationships.
1901 census - lists each member of a household, relationship,
religion, literacy, age, occupation, marital status, and county of
birth.
1911 census - similar to the 1901 census, but also gives number of
years married, number of children born, and number of children living
for each married couple
Roman Catholic church records - marriages with names and witnesses,
baptisms with childs name, parents names, and sponsors. These begin in
1872.
Civil Registration Records - birth, deaths, and marriages. These
begin in 1864. The islands fell under the Supervisor's District of
Galway, Registrar's District of Aran (Vols 4, 9, 14, 19).

For background information about the islands, I found two books that
I thought were excellant:
J M Synge's Guide to the Aram Islands, ed. Ruth W Shaw
A World of Stone: the Aran Islands, ed Curriculum Development Unit
Both books are available from Amazon.com

In general, the two smaller islands, Inisheer and Inishmaan, never
exceeded 70-90 families at any one time, while the big island's,
Inishmore, population numbered in the thousands. With this in mind, and
with some caution, the principle family names on the islands were
(spellings vary):
Inisheer - Flaherty, Faherty, Joyce, Conneely, Donohoe, Maher,
Griffin, Powell, Sharry, Costelloe
Inishmaan - Flaherty, Faherty, Conneely, Concannon, O'Donnell,
McDonough, Folan, Mulkern
Inishmore - all of the above plus Dirrane, Hernan, O'Flaherty,
Mullin, Dillane, Toole, Green, Gill, Burke

This list is not all inclusive.

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X-Message: #25
Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:16:53 GMT
From: "R&S Performance Services, USA" <rn...@gte.net>
Subject: HARRISON;Bangor,Northern Ireland;1900 to present

Hi,

My maiden name is Sarah-Jane Wylie and I'm looking for family or old
classmates from Rathmore Primary School.

I was born July, 1967 in Bangor, Northern Ireland. My parents are Douglas
A Wylie and Valerie Harrison. We lived on Innisfayle Drive until Sept.
1976 at which point we moved to America.

I'd love to hear from anyone connected to my past (or my parents)...

Sarah-Jane
RN...@gte.net

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X-Message: #26
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:29:43 GMT
From: ro...@cybertours.com
Subject: Re: CROMWELLIAN SETTLEMENT OF IRELAND

In article <35A713F5...@squirrel.com.au>,
wa...@squirrel.com.au wrote:
> Thank you every one. I have got lots of help now.
> Susie Warren
>
> Hello Susie,
Could you email the title, author and where I might locate this book?
I'm searching for an ancestor who was kidnapped by Cromwell's army in
1653/4. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Roy Welch

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X-Message: #27
Date: 11 Jul 1998 15:53:35 GMT
From: kje...@aol.com (KJE1972)
Subject: The CAUDY family tree.

From : KJE...@aol.com
To: Anyone with an interest.

Is there anyone who can help trace the routes of one Patrick Caudy, signed up
in Clonmel for the British Army, and signed off in plymouth.

Where would I look for information about him in Ireland? Dublin, but where

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X-Message: #28
Date: 11 Jul 1998 08:58:13 -0700
From: al...@juno.com (Anne Lamb)
Subject: Re: ADVENTURERS IN IRELAND

Susie Warren asked:

>Does anyone have access to the Prendergast book "Cromwellian
>Settlement in Ireland" - 2nd edition published in Dublin, 1922 by ?
>Thank you

I wanted a copy and my InterLibrary Loan department of my local library
found it for me at Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington . Of
course, this won't help you, since you are in Australia, BUT, I really
liked that book (it's huge, full of great maps and lists) and was
delighted to learn that it has been reprinted and is available for quite
a reasonable price through www.amazon.com (1st edition was published in
about 1865).

Speaking of Amazon.com, I was in Ireland the week of the great election,
so naturally I had to bring home a copy of the Sunday paper with YES! in
huge letters on it, and inside was an interesting article/opinion piece
commenting that even books published in Ireland are actually cheaper via
amazon.com, even including postage from the US, than they are in local
bookshops. A caution, it is possible that the big maps that are bound
into the 1922 edition (they folded out and were in quite fragile
condition) may not have made their way into the reprint, in which case
you might want to try to locate an old copy just to copy the maps. Or
possibly they may have reduced them and they will be more readable if you
enlarge them so you can read all those names on them.
Comments, anyone who has the new edition?

Anne Lamb

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X-Message: #29
Date: 11 Jul 1998 09:04:32 -0700
From: enal...@home.com (Ellen Naliboff)
Subject: Re: CUMMINGS

CUMMINGS, principally in Antrim
WREN, in Munster province
MOOREHEAD, principally Antrim
HOOD principally Antrim
Ellen

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X-Message: #30
Date: 11 Jul 1998 09:16:48 -0800
From: "Darcy" <hi...@westol.com>
Subject: O'Hallorans IRE- Prince Edward Island

I am looking for suggestions on finding how to track my ancestors that
immigrated to Prince Edward Island in the early 1850s I believe but have
not proof. My relative was Daniel O'Halloran who married a Bridget Cairns
adn had twelve children, they lived on lot 51 near montague first child
born1885. Any info helpful thanks
Darcy Thorn

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X-Message: #31
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:27:06 GMT
From: nm...@ix.netcom.com (Norris)
Subject: Re: Beattie County Down

In the recent past, white wrote:

>Can anyone help with information about a James Beattie who was born
>around 1820 in County Down. He left Ireland as a single man and went to
>the Californian goldfields, then on to the Victorian goldfields, finally
>settling in Otago NZ in 1861.
>I would appreciate any help or ideas as to where to search.

You might check out this page:

http://members.aol.com/jacob59/bty/

Norris

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X-Message: #32
Date: 11 Jul 1998 16:30:57 GMT
From: "Geoffrey Forster" <Geoffrey...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Mulqueen. Limerick/Co Clare

Anything on Mulqueen. Family origintaed in Clare/Limerick.
Anything at all most appreciated......
Thanks
Geoff Forster

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X-Message: #33
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:39:38 GMT
From: ah...@world.std.com ( )
Subject: Re: Mathew Doris and Ann McGuire County Longford

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Longford.htm
Longford Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records

Provides search service for a fee

http://longford.local.ie/genealogy/
County Longford Museum and Heritage Centre

http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/longford.html
Longford sources for genealogy

http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/tmoffatt/longford.html
The Longford Collector

These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.

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X-Message: #34
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:05:28 +0100
From: "Robin McClelland" <Robin.Mc...@depozo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Albert Agricultural Training Establishment

Robert C. Lightburn wrote in message <359FDD...@sprintmail.com>...
>Hello,
>
>Can anyone tell me anything about the Albert Agricultural Establishment
>in Glasnevin? It probably does not exist anymore, but my ggrandfather
>graduated from the establishment in 1869.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Bob Lightburn
>Vienna, VA

The original Albert College campus is now the site of Dublin City
University, founded in 1980. They have a web page at:
<www.dcu.ie/index.html>

Best wishes
Robin McClelland

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X-Message: #35
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:07:54 +0100
From: "Robin McClelland" <Robin.Mc...@depozo.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Belfast, NI

Gerry O'Hara wrote in message <35A6C84F...@planet.eon.net>...

>Is there anybody on the list from Belfast, or any other part of N.I. ???
>
>Gerry O'Hara
>

I currently live in Bangor, County Down, about 14 miles ENE of Belfast, on
the Southern shore of Belfast Lough, and I work in Belfast.

Robin McClelland

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X-Message: #36
Date: 11 Jul 1998 17:08:03 GMT
From: "celestine rafferty" <ra...@iol.ie>
Subject: Re: "Anty" ?

Anty or Anti is frequently used in Roman Catholic parish registers as an
abbreviation for Anastatia, a common first name in Ireland until recently.
Also abbreviated as Statia. I remember my father (born 1902) telling me
that he had an aunt named Anastatia whom he always knew as aunt Anty!!

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