A different Pedigree chart

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

Somewhat related to my previous post, I'm looking for a genealogy
program (or stand-alone application) that will produce a pedigree
chart where each ancestor is shown only once, in the case of "common"
ancestors. This is explained in this reference:

http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570134.html

Any suggestions appreciated.

[Ian Goddard]

I've got a frightful one in the case of a ggmother who had 4 lines of
descent from a couple living in the C17th including the fun complication
of one intermediate ancestor having married twice with descents via
children of both marriages.

I invented my own notation & drew it in LibreOffice Draw. My
representation of a family is in the form of

Father
= Mother DoM
Child 1 DoB
...
Child n DoB

with boxes drawn round each individual and lines to the children where
they in turn appear as parents in the next generation of families. In
order not to overcrowd the dates are years only. Thus the first couple are

Thomas B(eardsell) I
= Mary Armitage 1655
Joshua I 1662
Arthur 1665

I don't have a marriage or wife's name for Joshua I so I've omitted the
mother line & his family is just

Joshua B I
Joshua II 1692

Joshu II is the one with two marriages. I don't have the marriage or
maiden name for the first wife, just her burial:

Joshua B II
= Leah d 1732
Joshua III 1720
= Grace Taylor 1734
Thomas II 1738

In addition the boxes are colour coded for each surname that extends for
more than one generation so all Beardsells are coloured yellow, all
Croslands are cyan etc. This gives me a diagram with 14 families.

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[Charlie Hoffpauir]

Your mention of LibreOffice Draw intrigues me. I was considering
painting a 4 x 8 plywood white and using postit notes and string, but
doing a computer version sounds so much nicer. My interest is in some
ancestors from 1750-1820 who all lived within a few miles, and several
families had a hideous amount of intermarriages (well there really
wasn't very much to choose from). Figuring out just who married whom
is really difficult, since so many died really young and families kept
re-uing the given names over and over again.

Is Draw included in the LibreOffice download? Can you "attach" lines
to the boxes so that it you need to move a box, the line stretches and
stays attached? That would be really neat!

[Ian Goddard]

Yes, it is. And yes, you can; the lines you want are the ones with
boxes at each end in the palette, the plain arrows just sit on the
background & don't attach. If you're then going to copy & paste into a
document it's advisable to get the size right first as resizing the
diagram doesn't resize the fonts.

Your basic problem sounds awfully familiar. One of the gems of this
particular branch of my family is that quite a few of them have lines
that have Kaye brides and the Kayes are problematical to trace back.
There are a lot of them but they seem to have spent much of the C17th in
hiding.

This was the line of my grandmother. My grandfather had another Kaye
line which involved a 2nd cousin marriage, one branch of which had a
marriage to the Crosland half of this complex giving me 5 lines back to
the Beardsells & 3 to the Croslands.

[Steve Hayes]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:33:14 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

>Your mention of LibreOffice Draw intrigues me. I was considering
>painting a 4 x 8 plywood white and using postit notes and string, but
>doing a computer version sounds so much nicer. My interest is in some
>ancestors from 1750-1820 who all lived within a few miles, and several
>families had a hideous amount of intermarriages (well there really
>wasn't very much to choose from). Figuring out just who married whom
>is really difficult, since so many died really young and families kept
>re-uing the given names over and over again.
>
>Is Draw included in the LibreOffice download? Can you "attach" lines
>to the boxes so that it you need to move a box, the line stretches and
>stays attached? That would be really neat!

You might like to try Vue (Visual Understanding Environment) from
Tufts University.


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[Steve Hayes]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:39:07 +0200, Steve Hayes
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:33:14 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
><inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Your mention of LibreOffice Draw intrigues me. I was considering
>>painting a 4 x 8 plywood white and using postit notes and string, but
>>doing a computer version sounds so much nicer. My interest is in some
>>ancestors from 1750-1820 who all lived within a few miles, and several
>>families had a hideous amount of intermarriages (well there really
>>wasn't very much to choose from). Figuring out just who married whom
>>is really difficult, since so many died really young and families kept
>>re-uing the given names over and over again.
>>
>>Is Draw included in the LibreOffice download? Can you "attach" lines
>>to the boxes so that it you need to move a box, the line stretches and
>>stays attached? That would be really neat!
>
>You might like to try Vue (Visual Understanding Environment) from
>Tufts University.

Downloadable from:

http://vue.tufts.edu/

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:33:14 -0600, Charlie Hoffpauir
<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

OK, I downloaded LibreOffice, and used Draw to generate a chart like I
was looking for. It's "messy-ier" than I would have thought, but I
think it gets the idea across that my ancestors back 200 or so years
ago were closely ontermigling with each other. I only included a few
generations for each family to keep it manageable. I have a copy
on-line as a PDF file at my web site. A direct link (without having to
go through the other stuff on the site) is
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~charlieh/Foreman-24-1.0.2.pdf
It's designed to be printed out on a 2 x 3 ft sheet of drafting paper
(which is the largest my local Office Depot can print), but you can
scroll around it using Acrobat if you just want to look at it.
(And wouldn't you know, just after uploading I noticed an error).

[Dora Smith]

Some software gives you that option. It is very likely that Rootsmagic and/ or Legacy do. There is also a Charting Companion, that is expensive, at I think $40, but an edition is available for each of the common kinds of software. Rootsmagic and Legacy let you download and try them for free, and I think so does Charting Companion - it just won't chart very much.

[Dora Smith]

I thought you were trying to simply avoid displaying information more than once for a line you're descended from more than once.

If you want a chart that shows the complex interrelatedness of a very inbred family group, my solution has frankly always involved posterboard.

Maybe you can do it in Draw, depending on how large a sheet Draw lets you work with. Seems like in this case the far less tedious way to do it is to get yourself some posterboard, pencils, erasers, and colored markers (one color for each surname is how I've worked it).

I used to have a bunch of them for the royal families of Europe. Back 30 years or so ago.

Dora

[Dora Smith]

Actually, I did something similar with my father's Thompson, Chambers, and Miller ancestors for a family presentation. You'd have to see it to believe it... He's descended from one Miller family nine times, and groups of siblings married each other constantly, and three families mostly married each other for 200 years.

[Dora Smith]

Get ready for this.

1. I still have my charts of the genealogies of the royal houses of Europe. I wasn't crazy enough to throw out that amount of information, even when I had to move two thousand miles by train and airplane.

2. At some point, I zeroxed my Thompson - Chambers -Miller chart. So I will scan it to send whoever would like to see what I did. My family was very impressed.

[Tim Powys-Lybbe]

And how many heads did you say you had?

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