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Steve Hayes

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Dec 15, 2014, 12:12:42 PM12/15/14
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Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.

It did not have a URL that I could read, but just said

"Our family tree already has 3911 people, 1395 photos, 4 stories and 1
historical record.

Come check it out.

Hope you enjoy our tree,"

There was no URL, but "Come check it out" was highlighted, so I clicked on it,
my e-mail program crashed, and asked if I wanted to send a report to
Micrtosoft.

Next time I dtried, I right-clicked on the apparent link, and copied the URL
that was supposed to be there to the clipboard, pasted it to the address line
in Firefox, and got:

"An error occured while processing your invitation
Your invitation to view the family tree cannot be found."

I think I've jumped though all Ancestry.com's hoops, but still didn't get to
the tree that someone was inviting me to.

Any suggestions?


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Ian Goddard

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Dec 15, 2014, 12:41:46 PM12/15/14
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On 15/12/14 17:13, Steve Hayes wrote:
> Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.
>
> It did not have a URL that I could read, but just said
>
> "Our family tree already has 3911 people, 1395 photos, 4 stories and 1
> historical record.
>
> Come check it out.
>
> Hope you enjoy our tree,"
>
> There was no URL, but "Come check it out" was highlighted, so I clicked on it,
> my e-mail program crashed, and asked if I wanted to send a report to
> Micrtosoft.
>
> Next time I dtried, I right-clicked on the apparent link, and copied the URL
> that was supposed to be there to the clipboard, pasted it to the address line
> in Firefox, and got:
>
> "An error occured while processing your invitation
> Your invitation to view the family tree cannot be found."
>
> I think I've jumped though all Ancestry.com's hoops, but still didn't get to
> the tree that someone was inviting me to.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>

Did you know the sender well enough to be sure it was genuine a & not a
link to malware? Was the URL genuinely to ancestry.com and not
something like acnestry.com?

--
Ian

The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang
at austonley org uk

Denis Beauregard

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Dec 15, 2014, 1:44:11 PM12/15/14
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:13:43 +0200, Steve Hayes
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

>Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.
>
>It did not have a URL that I could read, but just said

In an invitation I received, the links begun with that :

http://sm.ancestry.com:80/track?


Denis

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Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/
French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/
Sur cédérom à 1785 - On CD-ROM to 1785

Steve Hayes

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Dec 15, 2014, 11:42:32 PM12/15/14
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:41:43 +0000, Ian Goddard <godd...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
Yes, it is someone I have been in e-mail correspondence with, asnd I've sent
him PDFs of family group sheets and the like. He appears to keep his data only
on Ancestry.com, which seems to send the invitations in HTML only, and lazy
HTML at that, where you can't see the address.

If I right click an "Come check it out" and copy the link target to the
Clipboard I get:

http://sm.ancestry.com:80/track?type=click&amp;enid=ZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpbmdpZD03MjM1MDkmYW1wO21lc3NhZ2VpZD01NTgwMSZhbXA7ZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xNDE2MzUwMTAxJmFtcDtzZXJpYWw9MzM1Njc2MTgmYW1wO2VtYWlsaWQ9c2hheWVzQGR1bmVsbS5vcmcudWsmYW1wO3VzZXJpZD1zaGF5ZXNAZHVuZWxtLm9yZy51ayZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0mYW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=&amp;&amp;&amp;202904&amp;&amp;&amp;http://www.ancestry.co.uk/s38404/KEY/rd.ashx?key=Uhttp://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=MTg0MzI0MjI7OzA

and pasting that in the browser address line brings up the error.

Is there any away that he can download a GEDCOM from his Ancestry site and
send it to me?

Enno Borgsteede

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Dec 18, 2014, 1:24:23 PM12/18/14
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Steve,

> Is there any away that he can download a GEDCOM from his Ancestry site and
> send it to me?

Yes.

Shmuel Metz

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Dec 19, 2014, 8:02:41 AM12/19/14
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In <775u8at85v2cp2s26...@4ax.com>, on 12/15/2014
at 07:13 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:

>Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.

What makes you think so? What were the Received: lines in the header
and what was the URL?

>There was no URL, but "Come check it out" was highlighted, so I
>clicked on it,

If you're running windoze, that's a good way to get infected.

>I think I've jumped though all Ancestry.com's hoops,

Or the hoops of a spammer who foged a message claiming to be from
them.

>Any suggestions?

Be paranoid. Treat any "invitation" as suspect unless you know its
provenance. Learn enough about e-mail to recognize forgeries. Don't
click on links from strangers, even if they claim to have gotten your
address from a friend.

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Steve Hayes

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Dec 19, 2014, 10:21:52 AM12/19/14
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:11:24 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>In <775u8at85v2cp2s26...@4ax.com>, on 12/15/2014
> at 07:13 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:
>
>>Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.
>
>What makes you think so? What were the Received: lines in the header
>and what was the URL?

What males me think so is that I sent the guy a pdf of a family group sheet
from my genealogy program, and I hoped he might do the same, but he said he
would send me an uinvitation to his tree on Ancestry and did.

I posted the URL here a while back
>
>>There was no URL, but "Come check it out" was highlighted, so I
>>clicked on it,
>
>If you're running windoze, that's a good way to get infected.

Yep.


>>I think I've jumped though all Ancestry.com's hoops,
>
>Or the hoops of a spammer who foged a message claiming to be from
>them.
>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>Be paranoid. Treat any "invitation" as suspect unless you know its
>provenance. Learn enough about e-mail to recognize forgeries. Don't
>click on links from strangers, even if they claim to have gotten your
>address from a friend.

It wasn't from a stranger. It was from Ancestry.com trying to be too clever by
half, and using a bunch ofg spammers tricks. Not only did they send an HTML
only message, but the HTML was not in the message, but on a remote web site,
and my e-mail program shrieks warnings when it encounters messages like that,
and shows blank grey spaces for stuff that is only on the remote site.

But the point is that this was not some spammer, it was not some malware
merrchant, not some virus distributor; it was Ancestry.com one of the biggest
genealogy sites on the Internet, behaving like all of the preceding.

Incidentally, I tried to forward the message to my gmail address, because
gmail often displays junk like that, but of course the message did not arrive,
because there was no message, just a link to a remote web site.

So yes, it used all the spammers' and malware merchants' tricks, but it WAS
the genuine site.

singhals via

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Dec 19, 2014, 11:21:49 AM12/19/14
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Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) via wrote:
> In<775u8at85v2cp2s26...@4ax.com>, on 12/15/2014
> at 07:13 PM, Steve Hayes<haye...@telkomsa.net> said:
>
>> Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.
>
> What makes you think so? What were the Received: lines in the header
> and what was the URL?
>
>> There was no URL, but "Come check it out" was highlighted, so I
>> clicked on it,
>
> If you're running windoze, that's a good way to get infected.
>
>> I think I've jumped though all Ancestry.com's hoops,
>
> Or the hoops of a spammer who foged a message claiming to be from
> them.
>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Be paranoid. Treat any "invitation" as suspect unless you know its
> provenance. Learn enough about e-mail to recognize forgeries. Don't
> click on links from strangers, even if they claim to have gotten your
> address from a friend.
>


Since the invitation to Steve came /after/ he'd shared info,
seems to me he's safe enough to jump through their hoops
*IF* he wants the data.

And, FTR, Steve was here when I got here back in 1994 or so,
so I'd suspect he knows most of the self-protection tricks.

Cheryl

Steve Hayes

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Dec 19, 2014, 1:18:51 PM12/19/14
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:11:24 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>In <775u8at85v2cp2s26...@4ax.com>, on 12/15/2014
> at 07:13 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:
>
>>Someone sent me an invitation to look at their tree on Ancestry.com.
>
>What makes you think so? What were the Received: lines in the header
>and what was the URL?

I forgot to give you the "received lines", so here they are, with the rest of
the message, from which you can presumably tell whether or not it's a forgery.

All I know is that it crashed my mail reader when I tried to click on the
link.

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In <o0g89adbn1l5gpvc1...@4ax.com>, on 12/19/2014
at 05:23 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:

>but the HTML was not in the message, but on a remote web site,

There must have been some HTML or the remote site would be irrelevant.
Presumably there was boilerplate and an <A> tag.

>Incidentally, I tried to forward the message to my gmail address,
>because gmail often displays junk like that, but of course the
>message did not arrive,

There is no "of course"; there may not have been a large body, but
there clearly was a message and google is one of the places peddl;ing
HTML in e-mail.

>just a link to a remote web site.

Yes, a link within the body of a message.

Shmuel Metz

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In <gpq89a1o5vctgsc2n...@4ax.com>, on 12/19/2014
at 08:20 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:

>I forgot to give you the "received lines", so here they are,

Thanks; from the Received: lines it does indeed that the message is
"legitimate"[1].

>with the rest of the message,

Their HTML is incredibly bloated if all they want to do is to send you
a link. Do they really need a table in order to do that?

>All I know is that it crashed my mail reader when I tried to click
>on the link.

Which of the 13 HREF= links did you click on? Does you e-mail client
have the ability to view text after expanding the QP encoding but
before attempting to render it as HTML? Does your -mail client have a
problem with long links?

[1] In the sense that it did come from ancestry.com,

Steve Hayes

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:07:46 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>In <gpq89a1o5vctgsc2n...@4ax.com>, on 12/19/2014
> at 08:20 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:
>
>>I forgot to give you the "received lines", so here they are,
>
>Thanks; from the Received: lines it does indeed that the message is
>"legitimate"[1].
>
>>with the rest of the message,
>
>Their HTML is incredibly bloated if all they want to do is to send you
>a link. Do they really need a table in order to do that?

Indeed.


>>All I know is that it crashed my mail reader when I tried to click
>>on the link.
>
>Which of the 13 HREF= links did you click on? Does you e-mail client
>have the ability to view text after expanding the QP encoding but
>before attempting to render it as HTML? Does your -mail client have a
>problem with long links?

I don't know, because clicking on the link made my reader crash.

The link I clicked on was attached to the text "Click here to check it out",
and appeared t5o have THREE HTM addresses, namely:

http://sm.ancestry.com:80/track?=
type=3Dclick&amp;enid=3DZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpb=
mdpZD03MjM1MDkmYW1wO21lc3NhZ2VpZD01NTgwMSZhbXA7ZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xNDE2MzUwMT=
AxJmFtcDtzZXJpYWw9MzM1Njc2MTgmYW1wO2VtYWlsaWQ9c2hheWVzQGR1bmVsbS5vcmcudWs=
mYW1wO3VzZXJpZD1zaGF5ZXNAZHVuZWxtLm9yZy51ayZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0m=
YW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=3D&amp;&amp;&amp;202904&a=
mp;&amp;&amp;http://www.ancestry.co.uk/s38404/KEY/rd.ashx?key=3DUhttp://t=
rees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=3DMTg0MzI0MjI7OzAxNWEzM2ViLTAwMDEtMD=
AwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDtzaGF5ZXNAZHVuZWxtLm9yZy51azsx&amp;mac=3DEDFE=
LAhossO/8r 02ll/ug=3D=3D" style=3D"color:#9CBE30; font-weight:bold; text-=
decoration:none;


When I look at that I'm not surprised my mail reader barfed.

The question is, why do they make something that should be quite simple so
incredibly complex?

And they've got so bogged down in their complexity that it doesn't work, for
some mail readers, at least.

What happened to the KISS principle?




>
>[1] In the sense that it did come from ancestry.com,

--

Shmuel Metz

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In <44jg9apqv3fu5apkg...@4ax.com>, on 12/22/2014
at 07:02 PM, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> said:

>The link I clicked on was attached to the text "Click here to check
>it out", and appeared t5o have THREE HTM addresses,

The string given by href= is a URL[1]; the presence of "http://"
within that string may or may not signal text that will be treated as
a URL. I see the text "click" in several places and "Come check it
out" in one, but I don't see "Click here to check it out". Most of the
text looks like BASE64 encoding, but Content-Transfer-Encoding:
specifies quoted-printable. Altogether a thorough dogs breakfast.

[1] In this case, "http://sm.ancestry.com:80/track?=
type=3Dclick&amp;enid=3DZWFzPTImYW1wO21zaWQ9MSZhbXA7YXVpZD0mYW1wO21haWxpb=
mdpZD03MjM1MDkmYW1wO21lc3NhZ2VpZD01NTgwMSZhbXA7ZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0xNDE2MzUwMT=
AxJmFtcDtzZXJpYWw9MzM1Njc2MTgmYW1wO2VtYWlsaWQ9c2hheWVzQGR1bmVsbS5vcmcudWs=
mYW1wO3VzZXJpZD1zaGF5ZXNAZHVuZWxtLm9yZy51ayZhbXA7dGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmFtcDtmbD0m=
YW1wO212aWQ9JmFtcDtleHRyYT0mYW1wOyZhbXA7JmFtcDs=3D&amp;&amp;&amp;202904&a=
mp;&amp;&amp;http://www.ancestry.co.uk/s38404/KEY/rd.ashx?key=3DUhttp://t=
rees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=3DMTg0MzI0MjI7OzAxNWEzM2ViLTAwMDEtMD=
AwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDtzaGF5ZXNAZHVuZWxtLm9yZy51azsx&amp;mac=3DEDFE=
LAhossO/8r 02ll/ug=3D=3D", after decoding[2] the QP.

[2] In this case strip the trailing "=" and remove the associated
CRLF, replace "=3D" with "=".
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