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Joe Cooper
Nov 5, 2015, 1:10:17 PM11/5/15
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A new report from Pew Research confirms what most of us have known all
along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
Muslims.
The Pew "Religious Landscape Study" reveals a lot about liberals in
America. In increasing numbers, they are rejecting Christianity.
Millions are self-professed atheists or agnostics. Politically, they
identify as socialists, a fact that underlies the appeal of socialist
candidate Bernie Sanders. Vast numbers of Democrats have relinquished
their faith in God and, at the same time, in capitalism, both of which
are at the heart of American identity.
This loss of faith in American values, if it continues, has dire
implications for the future of our country. In essence, religious faith
amounts to faith in the benevolence and purposefulness of creation. Once
a nation loses this faith, its people become cynical and demoralized.
Economic and cultural decline is the inevitable result, as seen in every
communist regime. The Soviet Union failed because its people lost faith
in the goodness of life. Cuba is impoverished because its people have no
free-market incentives to work.
Liberals like to think they are "above" those ordinary Americans who
"cling to their guns or religion," as President Obama put it. They
believe in universalism, social justice, and saving the Earth. These
"beliefs," however, are not the same thing as religion. They are a
rejection of religious faith, and they are intended to undermine the
competitive instinct at the heart of capitalism.
For example, the belief in universalism – the idea that one's own nation
is no more exceptional than any other, and that all cultures are equally
viable – is by definition a rejection of faith in the superiority of
one's own country. Liberals do not "believe in" America. They believe
in "humanity," and they believe that world government, supported by world
courts, international armies, and global economic arbitration, should
govern all nations, including their own. To the liberal mind, Obama's
failure to assert American power on the global stage is a virtue. It is
a perfect expression of a key tenet of liberal beliefs.
This is why Obama and Clinton have scorned our allies while showing
themselves willing to engage with our deadliest enemies. From the
liberal point of view, there is no such thing as an ally or an enemy.
The particular loyalty of the USA to its traditional allies – Britain,
Canada, Australia, and more recently Germany and Japan – means nothing to
the liberal mind. One is just as willing to "reset" with Russia, kibbutz
with Kim, or engage with Castro.
Hillary Clinton's part in the Arab Spring is a case in point. Hillary
was cheerleader-in-chief in bringing about the fall of pro-American
regimes in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya, and in promoting the
destabilization of pro-American regimes in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.
Just as Jimmy Carter helped to bring about the fall of the shah of Iran
and thus the rise of Islamic extremism in Iran, Hillary's rash foreign
policy has brought about the rise of ISIS across the Middle East. As a
consequence of the chaos in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Egypt,
millions of lives have been lost.
Had the pro-American strongmen been left in power in these and other
countries, order would have been maintained. But Hillary was too high-
minded to think she should remain loyal to our allies, however unsavory
some of them may have been. She wanted to bring about a perfect world, a
utopia with no favorites, no loyalties, no strongmen, no use of force.
It's Jeane Kirkpatrick's "Dictators and Double Standards" all over again.
That masterful essay has been around for 40 years, but liberals never got
around to reading it. Had they done so, the Arab Spring would have been
suppressed from the start, with U.S. assistance, and ISIS would never
have gained footing in the region.
It's not just foreign policy. Liberals are willing to throw their own
country under the bus just as much economically as in terms of national
security. Like Obama, Hillary opposes restraints on immigration and
supports bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees to our shores.
She supposes that we are all just one people – human beings, not
Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or any other particular religion, not
Westerners with a firm sense of democracy as opposed to Middle Easterners
who have never known anything but tyranny. She thinks that once those
hundreds of thousands of Islamic refugees make it to our shores, they
will enroll their kids in Y soccer and sign up for multifaith picnics
with their Christian and Jewish neighbors. All will be kumbaya. No
worries.
Likewise, liberals believe that social justice trumps capitalism. But
again, the liberal belief in equality amounts to a rejection of a
fundamental pillar of Western civilization: the belief in individual
self-responsibility and the freedom to pursue opportunity in a free
market. Social justice, with its goal of universal equality, is a
rejection of economic liberty. To achieve equality, liberals such as Ms.
Clinton always return to the same proposition: increased taxation and
redistribution of capital.
Social justice is not a benign form of liberation; it is a cynical theft
of assets that are the product of hard work on the part of others. There
is nothing noble, or even remotely righteous, about the belief in social
justice. From a political point of view, those who demand enforced
equality, as Hillary Clinton has just done with her $12 minimum wage
proposal, are simply buying the votes of the poor in the most cynical
manner. Redistributionist schemes in America are no less cynical than in
Peronist Argentina, Chavez's Venezuela, or any other failed socialist
state.
Surprisingly, those same liberals who support universal equality are
among the stingiest when it comes to charitable giving. It seems they
are ardent supporters of social justice in the abstract, but they are
less likely to contribute to their churches or local communities than are
conservatives.
The reason for this lack of charitable giving, I believe, is that
liberals have no particular faith in anything. They believe in "the
environment," but what is that? It is something far away, diffuse,
distant in time and place. Global warming cannot be seen or felt.
"Climate change" is a mantra, a magic potion, a cult-like incantation.
It is the opposite of one particular gardener's affection for one
particular planting of hydrangeas, or the touching concern of a pet
owner's feelings for her aging black lab. Just as universalism is the
opposite of patriotism, and income equality is the opposite of faith in
education and hard work.
In their faithlessness, liberals are on the wrong side of history.
America is going to survive and prosper, and it will do so because the
vast majority of Americans are conservative by nature. Americans believe
in the goodness of life; they believe that the pursuit of happiness is a
fundamental right; they love their families and their country, and they
believe that both are exceptional and deserving of their special loyalty.
For their part, liberals believe in nothing other than abstractions like
universalism, social justice, and the environment. No great civilization
has ever prospered by believing that it is just average or that it should
redistribute the results of its success to those who are too weak or too
corrupt to achieve anything. Democrats may well continue on their
faithless way, but America, I believe, will not be joining them.
Source: http://bit.ly/1HcEQHC
--
The Leading Cause of Poverty Are Progressives - Help Raise the Poor:
Promote Capitalism
"Never underestimate the willingness of white progressives to be offended
on behalf of people who aren’t and to impose their will on those who
didn’t ask for it." (Derek Hunter)
"Liberals never argue with one another over substance; their only dispute
is how to prevent the public from figuring out what they really
believe." (Ann Coulter)
along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
Muslims.
The Pew "Religious Landscape Study" reveals a lot about liberals in
America. In increasing numbers, they are rejecting Christianity.
Millions are self-professed atheists or agnostics. Politically, they
identify as socialists, a fact that underlies the appeal of socialist
candidate Bernie Sanders. Vast numbers of Democrats have relinquished
their faith in God and, at the same time, in capitalism, both of which
are at the heart of American identity.
This loss of faith in American values, if it continues, has dire
implications for the future of our country. In essence, religious faith
amounts to faith in the benevolence and purposefulness of creation. Once
a nation loses this faith, its people become cynical and demoralized.
Economic and cultural decline is the inevitable result, as seen in every
communist regime. The Soviet Union failed because its people lost faith
in the goodness of life. Cuba is impoverished because its people have no
free-market incentives to work.
Liberals like to think they are "above" those ordinary Americans who
"cling to their guns or religion," as President Obama put it. They
believe in universalism, social justice, and saving the Earth. These
"beliefs," however, are not the same thing as religion. They are a
rejection of religious faith, and they are intended to undermine the
competitive instinct at the heart of capitalism.
For example, the belief in universalism – the idea that one's own nation
is no more exceptional than any other, and that all cultures are equally
viable – is by definition a rejection of faith in the superiority of
one's own country. Liberals do not "believe in" America. They believe
in "humanity," and they believe that world government, supported by world
courts, international armies, and global economic arbitration, should
govern all nations, including their own. To the liberal mind, Obama's
failure to assert American power on the global stage is a virtue. It is
a perfect expression of a key tenet of liberal beliefs.
This is why Obama and Clinton have scorned our allies while showing
themselves willing to engage with our deadliest enemies. From the
liberal point of view, there is no such thing as an ally or an enemy.
The particular loyalty of the USA to its traditional allies – Britain,
Canada, Australia, and more recently Germany and Japan – means nothing to
the liberal mind. One is just as willing to "reset" with Russia, kibbutz
with Kim, or engage with Castro.
Hillary Clinton's part in the Arab Spring is a case in point. Hillary
was cheerleader-in-chief in bringing about the fall of pro-American
regimes in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya, and in promoting the
destabilization of pro-American regimes in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.
Just as Jimmy Carter helped to bring about the fall of the shah of Iran
and thus the rise of Islamic extremism in Iran, Hillary's rash foreign
policy has brought about the rise of ISIS across the Middle East. As a
consequence of the chaos in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Egypt,
millions of lives have been lost.
Had the pro-American strongmen been left in power in these and other
countries, order would have been maintained. But Hillary was too high-
minded to think she should remain loyal to our allies, however unsavory
some of them may have been. She wanted to bring about a perfect world, a
utopia with no favorites, no loyalties, no strongmen, no use of force.
It's Jeane Kirkpatrick's "Dictators and Double Standards" all over again.
That masterful essay has been around for 40 years, but liberals never got
around to reading it. Had they done so, the Arab Spring would have been
suppressed from the start, with U.S. assistance, and ISIS would never
have gained footing in the region.
It's not just foreign policy. Liberals are willing to throw their own
country under the bus just as much economically as in terms of national
security. Like Obama, Hillary opposes restraints on immigration and
supports bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees to our shores.
She supposes that we are all just one people – human beings, not
Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or any other particular religion, not
Westerners with a firm sense of democracy as opposed to Middle Easterners
who have never known anything but tyranny. She thinks that once those
hundreds of thousands of Islamic refugees make it to our shores, they
will enroll their kids in Y soccer and sign up for multifaith picnics
with their Christian and Jewish neighbors. All will be kumbaya. No
worries.
Likewise, liberals believe that social justice trumps capitalism. But
again, the liberal belief in equality amounts to a rejection of a
fundamental pillar of Western civilization: the belief in individual
self-responsibility and the freedom to pursue opportunity in a free
market. Social justice, with its goal of universal equality, is a
rejection of economic liberty. To achieve equality, liberals such as Ms.
Clinton always return to the same proposition: increased taxation and
redistribution of capital.
Social justice is not a benign form of liberation; it is a cynical theft
of assets that are the product of hard work on the part of others. There
is nothing noble, or even remotely righteous, about the belief in social
justice. From a political point of view, those who demand enforced
equality, as Hillary Clinton has just done with her $12 minimum wage
proposal, are simply buying the votes of the poor in the most cynical
manner. Redistributionist schemes in America are no less cynical than in
Peronist Argentina, Chavez's Venezuela, or any other failed socialist
state.
Surprisingly, those same liberals who support universal equality are
among the stingiest when it comes to charitable giving. It seems they
are ardent supporters of social justice in the abstract, but they are
less likely to contribute to their churches or local communities than are
conservatives.
The reason for this lack of charitable giving, I believe, is that
liberals have no particular faith in anything. They believe in "the
environment," but what is that? It is something far away, diffuse,
distant in time and place. Global warming cannot be seen or felt.
"Climate change" is a mantra, a magic potion, a cult-like incantation.
It is the opposite of one particular gardener's affection for one
particular planting of hydrangeas, or the touching concern of a pet
owner's feelings for her aging black lab. Just as universalism is the
opposite of patriotism, and income equality is the opposite of faith in
education and hard work.
In their faithlessness, liberals are on the wrong side of history.
America is going to survive and prosper, and it will do so because the
vast majority of Americans are conservative by nature. Americans believe
in the goodness of life; they believe that the pursuit of happiness is a
fundamental right; they love their families and their country, and they
believe that both are exceptional and deserving of their special loyalty.
For their part, liberals believe in nothing other than abstractions like
universalism, social justice, and the environment. No great civilization
has ever prospered by believing that it is just average or that it should
redistribute the results of its success to those who are too weak or too
corrupt to achieve anything. Democrats may well continue on their
faithless way, but America, I believe, will not be joining them.
Source: http://bit.ly/1HcEQHC
--
The Leading Cause of Poverty Are Progressives - Help Raise the Poor:
Promote Capitalism
"Never underestimate the willingness of white progressives to be offended
on behalf of people who aren’t and to impose their will on those who
didn’t ask for it." (Derek Hunter)
"Liberals never argue with one another over substance; their only dispute
is how to prevent the public from figuring out what they really
believe." (Ann Coulter)
Siri Cruz
Nov 5, 2015, 2:13:14 PM11/5/15
to
In article <XnsA5496774ED8...@213.239.209.88>,
of Christians in your partition, the 'liberal "universalist" churches'?
Catholics sort of can't be Protestants by definition, so you're counting all
Catholics as 'liberal "universalist" churches'.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
God exists since mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists since we
cannot prove the consistency. ~~ Morris Kline
Joe Cooper <drag...@removeunseen.is> wrote:
> exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
> (versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
> "universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
What are your definitions of 'evangelical Protestant' and the only other class
> exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
> (versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
> "universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
of Christians in your partition, the 'liberal "universalist" churches'?
Catholics sort of can't be Protestants by definition, so you're counting all
Catholics as 'liberal "universalist" churches'.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
God exists since mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists since we
cannot prove the consistency. ~~ Morris Kline
Governor Swill
Nov 5, 2015, 6:09:54 PM11/5/15
to
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
nobody has heard of him.
Swill
"The security of the Nation is not at the ramparts alone.
Security also lies in the value of our free institutions.
A cantankerous press, an obstinate press, a ubiquitous
press must be suffered by those in authority in order
to preserve the even greater values of freedom of
expression and the right of the people to know." - Judge Murray Gurfein on the Pentagon Papers
The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
nobody has heard of him.
Swill
Security also lies in the value of our free institutions.
A cantankerous press, an obstinate press, a ubiquitous
press must be suffered by those in authority in order
to preserve the even greater values of freedom of
expression and the right of the people to know." - Judge Murray Gurfein on the Pentagon Papers
Joe Cooper
Nov 5, 2015, 6:15:28 PM11/5/15
to
Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0don3b151rgevnj2m...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>
> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
> nobody has heard of him.
Ah, so any author you do not recognize who cites Pew Research you ignore.
How intellectual of you.
>>A new report from Pew Research confirms what most of us have known all
>>along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
>>exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
>>(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
>>"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
>>Muslims.
news:0don3b151rgevnj2m...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>
> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
> nobody has heard of him.
How intellectual of you.
>>A new report from Pew Research confirms what most of us have known all
>>along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
>>exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
>>(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
>>"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
>>Muslims.
Governor Swill
Nov 5, 2015, 8:48:34 PM11/5/15
to
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>A new report from Pew Research confirms what most of us have known all
>along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
>exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
>(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
>"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
>Muslims.
So evangelical Protestantism is the only religion? I notice the
>along: Democrats tend to have no religious affiliation (28%, to be
>exact). Among the other 72%, only 16% are evangelical Protestants
>(versus 38% for Republicans). Large numbers belong to liberal
>"universalist" churches and non-Christian groups, including black
>Muslims.
skewed and twisted presentation. How many Dems profess no religion is
given but not the same figure for Republicans. The relative
proportions of protestants is given but others, Judaism, Catholicism
and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
It's easy to lie when you cherry pick the intel^H^H^H^H^Hdata.
Swill
Siri Cruz
Nov 5, 2015, 10:10:45 PM11/5/15
to
In article <ah1o3b1iku2jtojic...@4ax.com>,
RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
It's important to know what they mean by 'evangelical protestant'. Conservative
> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
Governor Swill
Nov 5, 2015, 10:28:32 PM11/5/15
to
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 23:13:12 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>Governor Swill wrote
and gives incomplete and slanted statistics.
>How intellectual of you.
To start with, I did a search on Folks and all I could find was a
number of articles in right wing publications. So maybe he's young
and hasn't won his Pulitzer yet. But he isn't going to win one
spewing trash like this.
The Wall Street Journal article he refers to is titled:
"Religious ‘Nones’ Multiply in Both U.S. Political Parties" and in
order to read it, one must subscribe or sign in.
Take special note of the word, "both".
Yet the author ignores the "both" and clearly strives to make the
point that it's only liberals who are irreligious, in part by
providing apples and oranges comparisons and providing only statistics
that will prove his point rather than paint the big picture.
He knows full well not to reference the Pew Report itself. It's
unlikely his readers would have access to it or the education to read
it with any level of understanding. Instead, he refers to an article
(which readers may not be able to access either) about the original
source material.
As journalism, this is even more contemptible than the blond dimwit
who forgot to bring her research to the CNBC debate last week.
Not that I care. I find secular humanists to be typically more
responsible and thoughtful than your run of the mill religious
fanatic.
My point is to bring to your attention that your game of pasting other
peoples' work and barely crediting it to the source does not go
unnoticed. Further, the articles you paste rarely contain a cite and
when they do, it's either circular, that is, refers to itself, other
of the same author's works or to another work which points back to the
current one, or, as in this case, spun beyond recognition.
When you must resort to trickery and illusion to make your point
because the bare facts won't support it, maybe it's time to rethink
your position.
Swill
>Governor Swill wrote
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>>
>> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
>> nobody has heard of him.
>
>Ah, so any author you do not recognize who cites Pew Research you ignore.
He doesn't cite Pew Research, he links to a WSJ piece on a Pew report
>>
>> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
>> nobody has heard of him.
>
>Ah, so any author you do not recognize who cites Pew Research you ignore.
and gives incomplete and slanted statistics.
>How intellectual of you.
To start with, I did a search on Folks and all I could find was a
number of articles in right wing publications. So maybe he's young
and hasn't won his Pulitzer yet. But he isn't going to win one
spewing trash like this.
The Wall Street Journal article he refers to is titled:
"Religious ‘Nones’ Multiply in Both U.S. Political Parties" and in
order to read it, one must subscribe or sign in.
Take special note of the word, "both".
Yet the author ignores the "both" and clearly strives to make the
point that it's only liberals who are irreligious, in part by
providing apples and oranges comparisons and providing only statistics
that will prove his point rather than paint the big picture.
He knows full well not to reference the Pew Report itself. It's
unlikely his readers would have access to it or the education to read
it with any level of understanding. Instead, he refers to an article
(which readers may not be able to access either) about the original
source material.
As journalism, this is even more contemptible than the blond dimwit
who forgot to bring her research to the CNBC debate last week.
Not that I care. I find secular humanists to be typically more
responsible and thoughtful than your run of the mill religious
fanatic.
My point is to bring to your attention that your game of pasting other
peoples' work and barely crediting it to the source does not go
unnoticed. Further, the articles you paste rarely contain a cite and
when they do, it's either circular, that is, refers to itself, other
of the same author's works or to another work which points back to the
current one, or, as in this case, spun beyond recognition.
When you must resort to trickery and illusion to make your point
because the bare facts won't support it, maybe it's time to rethink
your position.
Swill
Governor Swill
Nov 5, 2015, 11:29:12 PM11/5/15
to
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:10:36 -0800, Siri Cruz wrote:
>In article <ah1o3b1iku2jtojic...@4ax.com>,
> Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
>
>It's important to know what they mean by 'evangelical protestant'. Conservative
>RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
>churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
>don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
>requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
>the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
One of the most staggering things about Christianity is that it was
>In article <ah1o3b1iku2jtojic...@4ax.com>,
> Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
>
>It's important to know what they mean by 'evangelical protestant'. Conservative
>RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
>churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
>don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
>requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
>the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
historically the Protestants who were liberals, who supported
scientific research, who adopted technology and social change readily.
Even the Puritans and similar rigid sects accepted the likes of
Gallileo and Pasteur. They understood that science was learning about
the mysteries of god's universe, not undermining God Himself.
Today's extremist devout want to roll everything back 300 years except
their smartphones, air conditioning and cushy office jobs.
Sn...@smack.com
Nov 6, 2015, 12:25:41 AM11/6/15
to
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:29:11 -0500, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:10:36 -0800, Siri Cruz wrote:
>
>>In article <ah1o3b1iku2jtojic...@4ax.com>,
>> Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
>>
>>It's important to know what they mean by 'evangelical protestant'. Conservative
>>RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
>>churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
>>don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
>>requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
>>the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
>
>One of the most staggering things about Christianity is that it was
>historically the Protestants who were liberals, who supported
>scientific research, who adopted technology and social change readily.
>
>Even the Puritans and similar rigid sects accepted the likes of
>Gallileo and Pasteur. They understood that science was learning about
>the mysteries of god's universe, not undermining God Himself.
>
>Today's extremist devout want to roll everything back 300 years except
>their smartphones, air conditioning and cushy office jobs.
Read the "4th Turning"
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:10:36 -0800, Siri Cruz wrote:
>
>>In article <ah1o3b1iku2jtojic...@4ax.com>,
>> Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> and non evangelical protestants are not given for either party.
>>
>>It's important to know what they mean by 'evangelical protestant'. Conservative
>>RINOs usually restrict that to biblical literalists; enlightment era protestant
>>churches like Methodists and Lutherans also call themselves evangelical, but
>>don't interpret the entire bible as literal truth. They also teach that religion
>>requires a balance of faith and reason, and that christians are supposed to use
>>the gift of intellect to self-analyze and keep themselves on the rails.
>
>One of the most staggering things about Christianity is that it was
>historically the Protestants who were liberals, who supported
>scientific research, who adopted technology and social change readily.
>
>Even the Puritans and similar rigid sects accepted the likes of
>Gallileo and Pasteur. They understood that science was learning about
>the mysteries of god's universe, not undermining God Himself.
>
>Today's extremist devout want to roll everything back 300 years except
>their smartphones, air conditioning and cushy office jobs.
The last major time was during the lead up to the Scopes "monkey
Trial" and fundamentalism ran rampant across the nation.
It suggest each "turning" gets shorter.
>==========================================================
"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s
founding fathers.
Ronald Regan introducing the Mujahideen leaders, 1985).
Rüdy Canôza
Nov 6, 2015, 3:34:18 PM11/6/15
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On 11/5/2015 3:09 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>
> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
> nobody has heard of him.
/argumentum ad ignorantiam/ - the fact you haven't heard of him means
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Joe Cooper wrote:
>
> The author of this piece is Jeffrey Folks, an author so important,
> nobody has heard of him.
nothing.
Topaz
Nov 6, 2015, 6:04:09 PM11/6/15
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 18:09:53 -0500, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
Hollywood.
Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
What?":
"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."
"the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
powerful positions."
"When Matsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
Tom Pollack."
Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg, "film is the greatest weapon
in the world".
Jewish control of the media:
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and
chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American
Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.
LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David
Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory
Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers,
appointed by Clinton.
JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner
NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News
JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC
DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News
SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant"
(Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the
world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.
MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.
RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the
World (Jewish mother)
MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS
DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS
JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS
DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS
SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment
LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment
BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.
SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of
Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.
BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.
PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp.,
owner of Fox TV
MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly
identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his
"mentor."
ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe
and other publications.
WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post.
Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel
media."
RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post
JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe
NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA
Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the
Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV
Producers, appointed by Clinton.
ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.
STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on
domestic terrorism.
DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times
network of "alternative weeklies."
DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund
KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle
East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker
BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal
Entertainment
KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch
RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which
represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer
and Bill O'Reilly.
TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.
MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL
WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL-
TimeWarner
JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment
JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2
SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment
GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment
STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks
LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment
JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment
MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America
AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures
JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations
ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications
BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment
IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications
WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition
LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live
TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter
PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host
MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes
BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20
MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review
BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week
DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of
CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post
HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek
WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle
PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,
RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San
Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets
MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations
DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has
Israeli flag on his home page.
BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.
ANDREW LACK, president of NBC
DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins
DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker
NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York
HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications,
includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group,
includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement;
American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more
than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television
programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.
DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.
PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's
RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.
LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group
www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org
http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
Hollywood.
Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
What?":
"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."
"the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
powerful positions."
"When Matsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
Tom Pollack."
Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg, "film is the greatest weapon
in the world".
Jewish control of the media:
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and
chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American
Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.
LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David
Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory
Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers,
appointed by Clinton.
JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner
NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News
JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC
DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News
SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant"
(Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the
world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.
MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.
RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the
World (Jewish mother)
MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS
DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS
JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS
DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS
SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment
LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment
BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.
SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of
Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.
BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.
PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp.,
owner of Fox TV
MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly
identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his
"mentor."
ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe
and other publications.
WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post.
Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel
media."
RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post
JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe
NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA
Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the
Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV
Producers, appointed by Clinton.
ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.
STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on
domestic terrorism.
DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times
network of "alternative weeklies."
DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund
KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle
East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker
BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal
Entertainment
KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch
RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which
represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer
and Bill O'Reilly.
TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.
MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL
WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL-
TimeWarner
JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment
JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2
SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment
GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment
STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks
DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks
LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment
JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment
MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"
HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America
AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures
JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations
ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications
BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment
IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications
WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition
LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live
TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter
PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host
MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes
BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20
MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review
BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week
DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek and Washington Post, son of
CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post
HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek
WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle
PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,
RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San Francisco)
MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol Cities, San
Francisco) Syndicated in 100 markets
MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations
DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host, nationally syndicated from LA. Has
Israeli flag on his home page.
BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.
ANDREW LACK, president of NBC
DANIEL MENAKER, Executive Director, Harper Collins
DAVID REMNICK, Editor, The New Yorker
NICHOLAS LEHMANN, writer, the New York
HENRICK HERTZBERG, Talk of the Town editor, The New Yorker
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE JR, and DONALD NEWHOUSE own Newhouse Publications,
includes 26 newspapers in 22 cities; the Conde Nast magazine group,
includes The New Yorker; Parade, the Sunday newspaper supplement;
American City Business Journals, business newspapers published in more
than 30 major cities in America; and interests in cable television
programming and cable systems serving 1 million homes.
DONALD NEWHOUSE, chairman of the board of directors, Associated Press.
PETER R KANN, CEO, Wall Street Journal, Barron's
RALPH J. & BRIAN ROBERTS, Owners, Comcast-ATT Cable TV.
LAWRENCE KIRSHBAUM, CEO, AOL-Time Warner Book Group
www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org
http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Joe Cooper
Nov 6, 2015, 6:26:12 PM11/6/15
to
Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:sbcq3bppit90scsrv...@4ax.com:
> There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> Hollywood.
There you go again, insisting whites just can't do anything right because
those nasty Jews control everything. How long have you believed whites were
inferior, Alex?
news:sbcq3bppit90scsrv...@4ax.com:
> There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> Hollywood.
those nasty Jews control everything. How long have you believed whites were
inferior, Alex?
Xavier
Nov 6, 2015, 7:42:06 PM11/6/15
to
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:03:39 -0600, Topaz wrote:
> There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> Hollywood.
Hey Van Engels,
> There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> Hollywood.
Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you see
very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
Does their western joo liberalism transcend their Jewish heritage? Or are
they simply afraid to offend your Muslime heroes?
Topaz
Nov 7, 2015, 5:37:17 AM11/7/15
to
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>Hey Van Engels,
>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you see
>very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
>Hey Van Engels,
>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you see
>very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
The Jewish controlled media said that the Jews were America's only
friends in the Middle East. The truth is that before these Jews,
America didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.
Jewish-Zionist Power in America
Mark Weber - Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLIy7gckro
A factual, reasoned 16-minute talk on the immense power and influence
of the "Jewish lobby" in the US, and its harmful role, especially in
directing US Middle East policy. As long as this power remains
entrenched, says Weber, there will be no end to the Jewish-Zionist
domination of American political life and the mass media, Zionist
oppression of Palestinians, the Israeli threat to peace, and the
bloody conflict between Jews and non-Jews in the Middle East.
Overwhelming Evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, Who did it and Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfXecU3v-70
>
>Does their western joo liberalism transcend their Jewish heritage? Or are
>they simply afraid to offend your Muslime heroes?
That is why you call them "Muslime". The Jews control your media and
your mind. Figuratively speaking, you have your head up a Jews aft
end.
Xavier
Nov 7, 2015, 8:09:06 AM11/7/15
to
Hey Van Engels,
Are da jooz ruling Europe and Asia too? Cause your Muslime buddies are
wreaking havoc there too.
By the way, have you converted to Islam yet?
I know that you nazis and the muzzies are in cahoots because of your shared
hatred of da jooz. But if the muzzies do prevail and rule the planet,
they're going to turn on you just like they would any infidel. Hell,
they're even killing each other on religious grounds.
.
Are da jooz ruling Europe and Asia too? Cause your Muslime buddies are
wreaking havoc there too.
By the way, have you converted to Islam yet?
I know that you nazis and the muzzies are in cahoots because of your shared
hatred of da jooz. But if the muzzies do prevail and rule the planet,
they're going to turn on you just like they would any infidel. Hell,
they're even killing each other on religious grounds.
meje...@hotmail.com
Nov 7, 2015, 3:43:02 PM11/7/15
to
On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 3:26:12 PM UTC-8, Joe Cooper wrote:
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:sbcq3bppit90scsrv...@4ax.com:
>
> > There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> > Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> > Hollywood.
>
>
> There you go again, insisting whites just can't do anything right because
> those nasty Jews control everything. How long have you believed whites were
> inferior, Alex?
>
He is just projecting his own inadequacies and shortcomings.
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:sbcq3bppit90scsrv...@4ax.com:
>
> > There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
> > Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
> > Hollywood.
>
>
> There you go again, insisting whites just can't do anything right because
> those nasty Jews control everything. How long have you believed whites were
> inferior, Alex?
>
Michael
meje...@hotmail.com
Nov 7, 2015, 3:44:40 PM11/7/15
to
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 2:37:17 AM UTC-8, Topaz wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>
> >Hey Van Engels,
> >Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you see
> >very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
>
> If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
America is NOT ruled by Jews and yet we Americans STILL have problems with militant Islamism.
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>
> >Hey Van Engels,
> >Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you see
> >very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
>
> If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
Michael
meje...@hotmail.com
Nov 7, 2015, 3:45:24 PM11/7/15
to
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 5:09:06 AM UTC-8, Xavier wrote:
> Hey Van Engels,
> Are da jooz ruling Europe and Asia too? Cause your Muslime buddies are
> wreaking havoc there too.
>
> By the way, have you converted to Islam yet?
>
> I know that you nazis and the muzzies are in cahoots because of your shared
> hatred of da jooz. But if the muzzies do prevail and rule the planet,
> they're going to turn on you just like they would any infidel. Hell,
> they're even killing each other on religious grounds.
>
He wishes he could be one of the seventy-two virgins in Paradise.
> Hey Van Engels,
> Are da jooz ruling Europe and Asia too? Cause your Muslime buddies are
> wreaking havoc there too.
>
> By the way, have you converted to Islam yet?
>
> I know that you nazis and the muzzies are in cahoots because of your shared
> hatred of da jooz. But if the muzzies do prevail and rule the planet,
> they're going to turn on you just like they would any infidel. Hell,
> they're even killing each other on religious grounds.
>
Michael
Topaz
Nov 7, 2015, 4:42:27 PM11/7/15
to
>Are da jooz ruling Europe
Yes
>and Asia too?
No
> Cause your Muslime buddies are
>wreaking havoc there too.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/original-chechnya-bombers-cia-saudis-and-bin-laden
Putin stated that the terror in Chechnya and in the Russian Caucasus
in the early 1990's was actively backed by the CIA and western
Intelligence services to deliberately weaken Russia. He noted that the
Russian FSB foreign intelligence had documentation of the US covert
role without giving details.
>
>By the way, have you converted to Islam yet?
>
>I know that you nazis and the muzzies are in cahoots because of your shared
>hatred of da jooz. But if the muzzies do prevail and rule the planet,
>they're going to turn on you just like they would any infidel. Hell,
>they're even killing each other on religious grounds.
>
Under the Islamic law, non-Muslim minorities received rights and
privileges that other minorities did not have under any other law in
any other country. The relationship between the Muslim community and
the non-Muslim minority is based on Allah's rule that says: {Allah
forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your)
Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly
with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.}[Al-Mumtahanah: 9].
This verse has identified the ethical and legal basis, with which
Muslims must treat non-Muslims, namely kindness and justice with all
those who do not have enmity against them.
The Islamic law has ensured several rights and privileges for non-
Muslim minorities. Perhaps the most important of which is the freedom
of belief, which is stated in Allah's saying: {There is no coercion
in religion}[Al-Baqarah: 256]. This was also reflected in the
Prophet's
(peace be upon him) letter to the People of the Scripture in Yemen
where he invited them to Islam. He (peace be upon him) said: "=85and a
Jew or a Christian who embraces Islam becomes one of the believers,
having their rights and duties; and the one who remains Jewish or
Christian should not be forced to disband his religion.."[1]
As the Islamic law allowed non-Muslims to enjoy the freedom of
belief, it enacted rules to preserve their lives, on the ground that
they are
human beings who have the right to life and existence. In this
regard, the Prophet (peace be upon him) says: "whoever kills a
contracting
man(a non-Muslim protected by the state or an agreement) he will not
smell the Paradise".[2]
Warning against doing non-Muslims injustice The Prophet (peace be upon
him) warned against commitment of injustice against non-Muslims and
diminishment of their rights. He vowed to be the opponent of their
aggressors. He said: "Beware, if anyone wrongs
A contracting man, or diminishes his right, or forces him to work
beyond his capacity, or takes from him anything without his consent, I
shall plead for him on the Day of Judgment."[3]
[1] Abu-Ubayd: Al-Amwal, p 28; Ibn Zinjwih: Al-Amwal, 1/109; Ibn
Hisham, Al-Sirah Al-Nabawiyah, 2/588; Ibn Kathir: Al-Sirah Al-
Nabawiyah, 5/146. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani said: Ibn Zinjwih narrated it
in Al-Amwal on the authority of Al-Nadr ibn Shumayl on the authority
of Awf on the authority of Al-Hasan; see: Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani's Al-
Talkhis Al-Habir, 4/315.
[2] Narrated by Al-Bukhari on the authority of Abdullah ibn Amr,
chapter of Al-Jiziyah (tribute paid by non-Muslims) (2995), Abu-Dawud
(2760), and Al-Nasa'i (4747).
[3] Narrated by Abu-Dawud, chapter of Al-Kharaj (tribute) (3052), and
Al-Bayhaqi (18511). Al-Albani said correct; see: Al-Silsilah Al-
Sahihah (445).
Michael Ejercito
Nov 7, 2015, 5:06:07 PM11/7/15
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"Topaz" wrote in message news:hpkr3b56m4cme7pgm...@4ax.com...
>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>>Hey Van Engels,
>>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you
>>see
>>very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
>If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
Islamism.
Michael
Xavier
Nov 7, 2015, 5:41:24 PM11/7/15
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So answer my first question .... how come da jooz make very few movies
where the plot features muzz terrorism???
And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
.
where the plot features muzz terrorism???
And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
Governor Swill
Nov 7, 2015, 9:23:00 PM11/7/15
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ruled by the Jews. ;)
Swill
Siri Cruz
Nov 8, 2015, 1:08:55 AM11/8/15
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In article <zg2lh5q4p9pg.1h...@40tude.net>,
Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
> And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
> over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
I am quaking in my stylish yet affordable boots.
> And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
> over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
Siri Cruz
Nov 8, 2015, 1:18:52 AM11/8/15
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In article <7fct3bh3eft2rmab9...@4ax.com>,
brief spate of militant Judaism (the JDL) but they're all like dead,
imprisonned, or playing nice now.
In order to run into militant Islam and militant Judaism nowadays we have to
march halfway around the world and stick our noses into other people's incessant
pissed-offness. And that's because it's cheaper to throw away the lives of young
Americans to keep the oil flowing to Japan than it is to develop solar power
here.
Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:06:09 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
> <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Topaz" wrote in message news:hpkr3b56m4cme7pgm...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>Hey Van Engels,
> >>>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you
> >>>see
> >>>very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
> >
> >>If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
> >
> > America is NOT ruled by Jews, and we ALREADY have a problem with militant
> >Islamism.
> >
> >
> >Michael
>
> But maybe our problem with militant Islam is *proof* that America is
> ruled by the Jews. ;)
We don't have a problem with militant Islam or Judaism in America. There was
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:06:09 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
> <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Topaz" wrote in message news:hpkr3b56m4cme7pgm...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:42:13 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>Hey Van Engels,
> >>>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you
> >>>see
> >>>very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
> >
> >>If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
> >
> > America is NOT ruled by Jews, and we ALREADY have a problem with militant
> >Islamism.
> >
> >
> >Michael
>
> But maybe our problem with militant Islam is *proof* that America is
> ruled by the Jews. ;)
brief spate of militant Judaism (the JDL) but they're all like dead,
imprisonned, or playing nice now.
In order to run into militant Islam and militant Judaism nowadays we have to
march halfway around the world and stick our noses into other people's incessant
pissed-offness. And that's because it's cheaper to throw away the lives of young
Americans to keep the oil flowing to Japan than it is to develop solar power
here.
Topaz
Nov 8, 2015, 6:48:17 AM11/8/15
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:41:30 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>So answer my first question .... how come da jooz make very few movies
>where the plot features muzz terrorism???
If they want terrorism in a movie, it's probably going to be an Arab.
>So answer my first question .... how come da jooz make very few movies
>where the plot features muzz terrorism???
There are movies that don't involve a terrorist.
>
>And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
>over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
>
down toilets.
Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad declared Thursday that it was
time for Germans to stop feeling guilty for "crimes" of Nazi Germany
more than 60 years ago. In a speech in Zanjan, north-west Iran,
carried live on state television he spoke of how "every new-born child
in Germany is still regarded as being in debt to a mob of impudent and
insatiable Zionists." The Germans should no longer permit themselves
to be made to accept guilt, Ahmadenijad said.
http://www.expatica.com/source/si te_article.asp?
subchannel_id=52&story_id=29620&name=Germans should stop feeling
guilty%3A Ahmadinejad
Michael Ejercito
Nov 8, 2015, 10:00:42 AM11/8/15
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"Topaz" wrote in message news:39du3bthiafaedup5...@4ax.com...
>On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:41:30 -0500, Xavier <mo...@monastery.org> wrote:
>>So answer my first question .... how come da jooz make very few movies
>>where the plot features muzz terrorism???
>If they want terrorism in a movie, it's probably going to be an Arab.
>There are movies that don't involve a terrorist.
>>
>>And by the way if you think you're gonna be spared if the muzzies take
>>over, your hillbilly skinhead buddies been feeding you too much meth.
>>
> You worthless kikes should do the world a favor and flush yourselves
>down toilets.
I condemn your Judenhass.
You are a Nazi.
As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you can
not measure up.
You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.
You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would tell
it.
You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe out
the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
Socialism.
Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor children as
sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
consensually sexual
way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be it a
prepubescent
boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.
That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest about
it.
Michael
Governor Swill
Nov 8, 2015, 10:36:51 AM11/8/15
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 Siri Cruz wrote:
> Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 "Michael Ejercito" wrote:
>> >"Topaz" wrote
The ME is none of our business. There's plenty of oil in the western
hemisphere and anyway, the sooner we got off oil and onto renewables,
the sooner we'll castrate the Arabs and take away their power to make
mischief.
> Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 "Michael Ejercito" wrote:
>> >"Topaz" wrote
>> >>On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 Xavier wrote:
>> >>>Hey Van Engels,
>> >>>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you
>> >>>see very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
>> >>If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
>> > America is NOT ruled by Jews, and we ALREADY have a problem with militant
>> >Islamism.
>> >>>Hey Van Engels,
>> >>>Sure da jooz have been a dominant force in Tinseltown, but how come you
>> >>>see very few movies depicting Muslime as the terrorists they are?
>> >>If America was not ruled by Jews it would have no problem with Islam.
>> > America is NOT ruled by Jews, and we ALREADY have a problem with militant
>> >Islamism.
>> But maybe our problem with militant Islam is *proof* that America is
>> ruled by the Jews. ;)
>We don't have a problem with militant Islam or Judaism in America. There was
>brief spate of militant Judaism (the JDL) but they're all like dead,
>imprisonned, or playing nice now.
>
>In order to run into militant Islam and militant Judaism nowadays we have to
>march halfway around the world and stick our noses into other people's incessant
>pissed-offness. And that's because it's cheaper to throw away the lives of young
>Americans to keep the oil flowing to Japan than it is to develop solar power
>here.
*applause*
>> ruled by the Jews. ;)
>We don't have a problem with militant Islam or Judaism in America. There was
>brief spate of militant Judaism (the JDL) but they're all like dead,
>imprisonned, or playing nice now.
>
>In order to run into militant Islam and militant Judaism nowadays we have to
>march halfway around the world and stick our noses into other people's incessant
>pissed-offness. And that's because it's cheaper to throw away the lives of young
>Americans to keep the oil flowing to Japan than it is to develop solar power
>here.
The ME is none of our business. There's plenty of oil in the western
hemisphere and anyway, the sooner we got off oil and onto renewables,
the sooner we'll castrate the Arabs and take away their power to make
mischief.
Governor Swill
Nov 8, 2015, 10:40:02 AM11/8/15
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:00:36 -0800, "Michael Ejercito" wrote:
>
> I condemn your Judenhass.
>
> You are a Nazi.
>
> As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
>
> You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you can
>not measure up.
>
> You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
>betters.
>
> You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would tell
>it.
>
> You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe out
>the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
>Socialism.
>
> Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
>Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor children as
>sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
>consensually sexual
>way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be it a
>prepubescent
>boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.
>
> That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest about
>it.
>
>Michael
Wow! THAT'S a keeper!
>
> I condemn your Judenhass.
>
> You are a Nazi.
>
> As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.
>
> You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know you can
>not measure up.
>
> You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
>betters.
>
> You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would tell
>it.
>
> You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe out
>the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of National
>Socialism.
>
> Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
>Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor children as
>sexual partners. You can not interact with competent adults in a
>consensually sexual
>way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be it a
>prepubescent
>boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.
>
> That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or honest about
>it.
>
>Michael
Swill
Topaz
Nov 8, 2015, 11:16:58 AM11/8/15
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by Paul Craig Roberts
July 22, 2006 | http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/
Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing
in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear
out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing
villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which
to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as
Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.
Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by
Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That
is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for
the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and
those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all
the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel
misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that
Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS.
Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less
evil than the puppet master?
Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV
media do not report them. Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do
know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of
Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the
European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime
minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is
enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in
Iraq.
Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel
the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from
Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of
Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food
production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on
roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life
depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?
On July 20, "your" House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of
Israel's massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every
American complicit in war crimes, "your" House of Representatives,
according to the Associated Press, also "condemns enemies of the
Jewish state."
Who are the "enemies of the Jewish state"?
They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish
state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish
state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish
state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state.
They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who
cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot
drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for
Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been
invaded by militant Zionist "settlers" under the protection of the
Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them
out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their
children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli
"settlers."
The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called "terrorists."
When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for
Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to Israel. This
means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-Semitic, un-American and
terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the
new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the
results Bush and Israel want.
Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel's way are
terrorists. Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hezbollah. Hezbollah
is a militia of Shi'ite Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first
invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state
arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of
Israel's atrocities was Hezbollah, which fought the Israeli Army,
defeated it, and drove it out of Lebanon. Today Hezbollah not only
defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as
orphanages and medical care.
To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim
country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt,
Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel
against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American
money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later
these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people
they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.
Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic
effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both
governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White
House Moron doesn't know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be
"cakewalks" like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military
are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.
If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing
nothing good for … America. On July 20 when "your" House of
Representatives, following "your" US Senate, passed the resolution in
support of Israel's war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington,
the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out
a press release proclaiming "The American people overwhelming support
Israel's war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our
closest ally in this time of crisis."
The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with
a pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do
not support Israel's war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make
clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span. Despite the
Israeli spin on news provided by US "reporting," a majority of
Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese
civilians. Hezbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is
targeting Hezbollah, why are Israeli bombs falling on northern
Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on
civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?
Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of
Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and
condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House
confirm Osama bin Laden's propaganda that America stands with Israel
against the Arab and Muslim world.
Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world's largest per capita
incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that
much of this "aid" comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect "our"
representatives in Congress.
This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining,
as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been
leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who
are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel's actions and
inhumane policies.
The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States
would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that
Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a
refugee. This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason
our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America
still had some prestige in the Arab world.
The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC
money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the
Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel's puppet, just
as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.
With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only
tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag
militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a
rag tag, lightly armed insurgency drawn from a minority of the
population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in
civil war against the Shi'ite majority.
What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris
and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will
either destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon,
Palestine, Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible
for Muslims, or the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to
intimidate Muslims into acquiescence to Israel's desires.
Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the
neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration.
Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in
neocon thinking WW III was the Cold War) to overthrow Islam in the
Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a
formalized, secular ritual.
Rumsfeld's neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that
permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states. Neocon David
Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese civilians,
"Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world," thus
equating war criminals with civilized men.
Neocon Larry Kudlow says that "Israel is doing the Lord's work" by
murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel's
Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, "go
forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands"?
The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will
damn America for all time in history.
Topaz
Nov 8, 2015, 11:18:00 AM11/8/15
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US aid to Israel - Tax Dollars Soaked in Blood
by Susan Abulhawa
With 400 Palestinians killed and over 10,000 wounded (most of them
severely), the Israeli lobby is requesting a new pile of American tax
dollars ($450 million) for 'emergency aid.' Part of this money is
being requested to compensate Israel for withdrawing from a 20 year
occupation of Southern Lebanon.
Excuse me!
Israel invaded Lebanon, used the world banned cluster bombs to kill
20,000 civilians (stories that would make your skin crawl), destroyed
the countries infrastructure and occupied its people for two decades.
Now they want to be compensated for finally obeying international law
and getting out of land where they have no business being? If anyone
ought to be compensated, it's the Lebanese people. At any rate, its
not the responsibility of the American tax payer to pay up.
Israel is an outlaw state in violation of numerous UN Resolution and
various tenets of international laws. Congress should stop behaving as
though we're some kind of Israeli colony bowing to her every whim.
Israel, whose population is 0.1% of the total world population gets
roughly one-third of all US foreign aid. In addition to the
$5,000,000,000 in aid, Israel enjoys the benefits of a whole lot more
US tax payer money. For example, there are special "gifts" like the
Arrow Missile and Levi Fighter, totaling $1.3 billion. Tax payers must
also pay interest on money borrowed for Israel's grants-- about $500
million per year. Private donations to Israel are tax-deductible and
total about $1 billion annually. This does not include the Israeli
bonds sold in the US for $500 million each year.
Despite US restrictions on using money to build illegal settlements on
Palestinian land, Israel has spent hundreds of millions of our dollars
importing Jews from across the world, confiscating Palestinian land
and demolishing their homes to make way for brand new settlements for
the new arrivals.
That's not all. The US also pays Egypt $2.1 billion/year for signing a
peace treaty with Israel and is asked to pay umpteen billions of tax
payer dollars every time Israel notions that is will consider a
pull-back from occupied territories. For example, during peace talks
with Syria, Israel demanded that the US foot a bill of $17 billion for
its withdrawal from the Golan Heights, where it has illegally been
occupying Syrian land and stealing Syrian resources for over 33 years.
Basically, the US taxpayers have to pay Israel in order for Israel to
obey international law and respect the sovereignty of other nations.
At the same time Congress cut the welfare budget by $5.3 billions, aid
to Israel that year was $5.2 billion. Indeed, as filmmaker Tom Hayes
said: "from the mouths of America's poor onto the necks of
Palestinians."
The so called "peace process" is sure to cost us yet more tens of
billions of dollars in payment for Israel's insatiable appetite for
Arab soil and its unrelenting thievery of other's resources. Try
getting an iota of that money for your state. You're lucky if you can
hold onto school lunch programs.
Of course, some of that money trickles back to the US in the form of
campaign funding. These campaign "donations" account for Israel's
power over US foreign policies.
So, what has Israel done for us?
Israel has spied on the US. By the way, a contribution to the 'free
Jonathan Pollard' fund is tax deductible. According to the CIA, Israel
commits industrial espionage against American businesses. They have
exported sensitive US technology to other countries, some of which are
potentially hostile to the U.S., in direct contravention of U.S. law.
In 1967 Israel attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 American crewmen
and wounding 171. Despite thirty three years of unrelenting pleas from
the survivors of that ship, Congress will not afford our servicemen
the
decency of an investigation and has refused to hold a Congressional
hearing for an act of aggression against Americans in a time of peace
despite astounding evidence. Maybe they will when there are no more
survivors to speak and the only testimonies will come from
Israeli-chosen "witnesses."
http://www.halcyon.com/jim/ussliberty/
Israel has a healthy economy and gets piles of money and other aid
from Germany every year. If this US-Israel marriage is indeed in our
best interest then why do they need such a strong well-funded lobby in
our Congress?
Continuing to be the lone veto that keeps the international community
from investigating Israel's breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention
cannot possibly be in our best interest. Patting Israel on the back
while the rest of the world condemns it's flagrant violations of human
rights does not mesh with the principles on which this country was
founded. Retired Navy Admiral, Thomas Moorer, was quoted in a book by
Paul Findley, former congressman from Illinois, as saying "I've never
seen an president- I don't care who he is- stand up to [the Israelis].
It just boggles your mind*.If the American people understood what a
grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in
arms."
Joe Cooper
Nov 8, 2015, 2:54:17 PM11/8/15
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meje...@hotmail.com wrote in news:a0f27647-149f-4a4e-b45a-
511997...@googlegroups.com:
> He is just projecting his own inadequacies and shortcomings.
Perhaps, but I think the Jews are forcing him to admit he's inferior...over
and over again. Maybe they've got something on his family.
511997...@googlegroups.com:
> He is just projecting his own inadequacies and shortcomings.
and over again. Maybe they've got something on his family.
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