REV. WRIGHT DISSATISFIED BY JEWISH ACQUIESCENCE WITH ISRAELI ATROCIETIES AND SAVAGERY AGAINST PALESTINIANS
Aviroce
They speak of a controversy about Rev. Wright who was a pastor for
the
most lovable candidate for president of the United States of America.
The Jewish media does not quote what Rev. Wright said or did. May
be
you ought to wonder why. Rev. Wright was dissatisfied with the
attitude of the Jewish community towards the genocide Israel is
committing in Israeli Concentration Camps. Rev. Wright has been
unhappy about the starvation imposed on the Palestinian population in
the Israeli Concentration Camps. The United States of America's
government under the most popular atrocious savage president George
W.
Bush has endorsed the Israeli starvation campaign against the
Palestinians, in their own native country housed in Israeli
Concentration Camps. The reason this starvation of Palestinians in
Israeli Concentration Camps is going on is just to starve the
Palestinians into submission to the Israeli predators.
I am glad these filthy Zionists in control of the American media are
taking Obama head on with the intention of bleeding him without
assassinating him. Americans can have the opportunity to see Jews
for
what they are. If this backfires against Jews, Jews will be at risk
in the American society. Therefore, I encourage these Jews to
continue their campaign against Obama. This may incite at least the
Black community who suffered at their hands during the days of
slavery. Mind you Jews provided the edicts to enslave Africans and
traded slaves, nameless slaves, all over the Americas. And now the
atrocious savage president George W. Bush has been spending America's
blood and treasure for Jews and Israel. Zionists have a way with
this
traitor president George W. Bush. Someday, Goerge W. Bush will
face
a court of justice to explain why he has been annihilating the Iraqi
population. What goes around comes around at the most inopportune
time.
http://groups.google.com/group/Imperialism_Zionism/browse_frm/thread/9891e9441c7f24d0
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Obama Speech Fails to Assuage White Indiana Voters
Heidi Przybyla
Tue Apr 1, 10:00 AM ET
April 1 (Bloomberg) -- Andrea Helmer was interested in Barack Obama
until she heard sound bites of his fiery pastor's sermons. Last week,
she volunteered for Hillary Clinton's campaign in Indiana.
``As things came out regarding some of the things his pastor has
said,
I got concerned,'' said Helmer, a 36-year-old respiratory therapist
and mother of two in Evansville, Indiana.
Interviews with dozens of Democrats in this overwhelmingly white
region -- where voters will go to the polls in the May 6 primary --
suggest residual concerns over the controversy involving Obama's
former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080401/pl_bloomberg/alp6dprdtyo0
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jgarbuz
> Look how the Jews in control of the media are deceiving Americans!
>
> They speak of a controversy about Rev. Wright who was a pastor for
> the
> most lovable candidate for president of the United States of America.
> The Jewish media does not quote what Rev. Wright said or did. May
> be
> you ought to wonder why. Rev. Wright was dissatisfied with the
> attitude of the Jewish community towards the genocide Israel is
> committing in Israeli Concentration Camps. Rev. Wright has been
> unhappy about the starvation imposed on the Palestinian population in
> the Israeli Concentration Camps. <
We will conquer and CRUSH the "Palestinians" until they accept that
they are living on Jewish land. And if they don't accept it, they will
be pushed into Jordan or Egypt. The US crushed Germany and Japan in
WWII, and Israel's mistake has been to be too piecemeal and lenient.
Enemies must be crushed, not coddled.
staten
"jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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Amen.
Frank Arthur
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com>
The value of your money is reduced every time you fill up your car NOT
because of the Jews- because of Muslims who
control the world's oil reserves and are squeezing your pocketbook.
And you are paying the shockingly higher prices
for food at the supermarket and costing more for every bite of food
NOT because of Jews but because of high gasoline & heating
costs of Muslims. You spend extra hours at the airport and endure
searches including removing your shoes NOT because of Jews
but because of Muslim terrorists who may blow up your plane or hijack
it. 3,000 Americans were slaughtered Not because of Jews but because
19 Muslim terrorists who hijacked 4 airplanes loaded with civillian
men,women & children and destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged
the Pentagon.
Aviroce
are in presenting their interests-"To beguile the time, Look like the
time, Look like the innocent flower And be the serpent under it." The
only obvious serpent is you and I appreciate it. This way
Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims know who is the enemy notoriously.
Let us see how you are going to crush the Palestinians on their own
land and how you are going to "Conquer" all of Palestine. I will sit
by the river and watch your dead bodies floating by.
Aviroce
Mathematically speaking, that is a certainty.
On Apr 2, 10:59 am, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
> Amen.- Hide quoted text -
>
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jgarbuz
> The idea of the article I wrote is to show how deceptive American Jews
> are in presenting their interests-"To beguile the time, Look like the
> time, Look like the innocent flower And be the serpent under it." The
> only obvious serpent is you and I appreciate it. This way
> Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims know who is the enemy notoriously.<
You are the great serpents. We're just little worms :)
> Let us see how you are going to crush the Palestinians on their own
> land <
"Own" land? Let's see their deeds. Let's see where it says so in the
Quran. Who says it's their land. and where does it say it?
>and how you are going to "Conquer" all of Palestine.<
We will wait to watch you destroy yourselves, as we grow more and
more stronger and prosperous.
> I will sit
> by the river and watch your dead bodies floating by.<
You can wait on the side of the Jordan river all you want. Not on our
side, though.
Aviroce
new about Zionist propaganda. You blame Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims for Jewish conquests, Jewish hegemony, Jewish colonialism,
Jewish racism, Jewish apartheid, Jewish atrocieties and savagery,
Jewish gods of racism, and Jewish filth. May be Americans will wake
up to see the enemy of the United States of America have been these
Zionist/Jewish deceivers who are at the bankruptcy of America. These
Zionist/Jewish deceivers have been exploiting American blood and
treasure. Time to wake up America and its legal system to deal with
them.
On Apr 2, 11:49 am, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com>
jgarbuz
> Let us wait and see. I bet Israeli colony will be destroyed.
> Mathematically speaking, that is a certainty.
:"Sorry" to disappoint you:
Latest Stats: Israel's Demographic Trend is Jewish, Not Arab
by Hillel Fendel
Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli Embassy liaison with Congress, says
it's critical for Israeli decision-makers to know that, contrary to
popular perception, the proportion of Jews in the Land of Israel is
rising.
"The demographic problem is not only not lethal to Israel," Ettinger
told Yishai Fleisher on IsraelNationalRadio.com, "the tailwind is in
fact going in favor of the Jews, not the Arabs."
In 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all births in
Israel, while today it is 75%.
The most startling recent demographic finding, Ettinger said, "is that
between 1995 and 2007, the annual number of Jewish births has
increased by 40%, from some 80,000 to 112,000 Jewish births each
year. During this period, the number of Arab births within the Green
Line [pre-'67 Israel] has stabilized at around 39,000 a year. In
addition, in 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all
births in Israel, while today it is 75%. This means that from year to
year, Jewish society in Israel becomes relatively younger, while Arab
society becomes older."
The true numbers, Ettinger told Arutz-7 last month, are as follows:
"Within the Green Line, there are currently 1.4 million Arabs,
compared with almost 6 million Jews. In Judea and Samaria, there are
1.5 million Arabs, and not 2.3 million, as [the PA] claims. In Gaza,
there are 1.1 million, and not 1.5 million."
Ettinger then summed up: "What this shows is that the trend is Jewish,
not Arab. One of the conclusions must be that there is absolutely no
reason for Israel to give away Jewish geography in favor of Jewish
demography. Anyone who says otherwise is either recklessly wrong or
misleading."
There is no doubt that demographic optimistic and hope is much more
conducive for better long-term planning, a better economy, a better
investment climate, and a better social climate.
Asked by Fleisher about other important demographers whose conclusions
are otherwise, Ettinger responded clearly and concisely: "The facts
are that the others have been wrong, and here are some examples. In
the 80s, those demographers told Israelis that there was no chance of
a massive Aliyah [immigration] from the USSR, and that if the gates
were to be opened, the Jews would mainly go to the US, Germany and
elsewhere. Of course, one million came to Israel... The founder of
the Central Bureau of Statistics told Ben-Gurion back in 1948 to delay
the Declaration of Independence because conventional demographics at
that time said that the 600,000 Jews were expected to become a
minority within 20 years. They also told him not to expect Jewish
Aliyah after the War of Independence. Once again, they were wrong.
They also said in the 1970s that we shouldn't expect Soviet Aliyah -
when in fact about 200,000 came."
"So time after time," Ettinger said, "the conventional Israeli
demographers were wrong on Aliyah, and were wrong on Jewish fertility,
and were wrong on Arab fertility. Jewish fertility in Israel over the
past 10-15 years is the highest in the industrialized world - contrary
to predictions that it would drop!"
Asked about the Arab growth rate in Judea and Samaria (Yesha),
Ettinger had a detailed answer: "Arab fertility in Yesha reached its
peak in 1992, for a simple reason: The Six Day War in 1967 brought
about an interaction between a Western society and a third-world
society - the Arabs of Yesha. When this phenomenon happens, it
triggers one generation of unprecedented growth rate in the third-
world society, primarily due to better health services, longer life
expectancy, etc. After one generation, the fertility rates begin
dropping and coming closer to Western fertility rates; at the same
time, the death rate increases because the increased life expectancy
meant there were many more older people - leading to a general decline
in growth. The Jewish birth rate, however - seeing as we are a non-
normative Western society - defies these rules, and we keep creeping
upward."
The bottom line, Ettinger concludes, is that "Arab fertility rates
have decreased tremendously since 1993, and perhaps more importantly,
emigration has increased considerably, especially since 2000. When
Hamas took over Gaza, 25,000 more people emigrated than immigrated,
compared with 16,000 the year before. Between 1950 and 2007, in every
year except for six of them, they lost people in net emigration."
Ettinger explained that it is important for a country to know the
truth, and not wallow in "baseless, pessimistic, fatalistic
projections" and "suicidal talk about the 'besieged Jewish state.'
There is no doubt that demographic optimism and hope is much more
conducive for better long-term planning, a better economy, a better
investment climate, and a better social climate. Certainly it is
better to enter into critical national security and diplomatic issues
with demographic confidence; this expands your options and your room
for maneuverability. If, on the other hand, you come with fatalism and
demographic sweat on your brow, it restricts your options and leads to
defeat."
"Right now, we have a 60% Jewish majority between the Mediterranean
and the Jordan River - and 67% if we don't include Gaza. Those who
say that this is not good enough and that we must therefore give away
Arab-populated areas, I say that we should remember that in 1947, when
the UN granted us the right to have a State, the Jews were only 33% of
the population. In 1900, we were only 8%! Anyone who understands
nationalism and demographics cannot deal with short-term
considerations, but rather must look 100 years backward and 100 years
forward. Over 100 years we have grown from 8% to 60%, and looking to
the future, we can also derive comfort from the growing Jewish birth
rates and the declining Arab rates."
jgarbuz
> You seem to write this passage over and over again. Tell me what is
> new about Zionist propaganda. You blame Palestinians, Arabs and
> Muslims for Jewish conquests, Jewish hegemony, Jewish colonialism,
> Jewish racism, Jewish apartheid, Jewish atrocieties and savagery,
> Jewish gods of racism, and Jewish filth. <
No, I blame the so-called "leadership" of the so-called "Palestinians"
for making up all the blood libels you have recounted. All we did is
return to our homeland as sanctioned by League of Nations
international law.
>May be Americans will wake
> up to see the enemy of the United States of America have been these
> Zionist/Jewish deceivers who are at the bankruptcy of America. These
> Zionist/Jewish deceivers have been exploiting American blood and
> treasure. Time to wake up America and its legal system to deal with
> them.<
How is dependence on Arab oil, and its consequences is our fault? In
Israel, everyone is forced by law to have a solar water heater. IN
Israel, most people live in modest apartments that don't burn even
half as much heating oil. In Israel most cars are 4 cylinders, with
larger cars being taxed heavily. In Israel gasoline costs $6.28 cents
a gallon, or $3.00 less than the US. It's neither Israel's nor Jewish
fault that Americans were seduced to buy oversized homes they couldn't
afford, or oversized SUVs that ravenously devour gasoline like the
desert evaporates water. They were lied to by WASP owned oil
companies, and WASP owned car companies into a lifestyle that everyone
with half a brain saw was unsustainable and would come to a bad end.
Certainly I saw it coming decades ago. The day of reckoning has
arrived. The dollar is plummeting in value. People have to decide
between heating and eating. But none of these had anything to do with
Jews or Israel. But in fact, Israel may be the salvation of America,
if it does the right things from here on in. Israel is the world
leader in solar energy, and its companies have already built the
largest solar energy plants in North America, and will be building
more. But, if Americans follow the oil companies, and continue to
drill and burn and drive oversized cars and cling to oversized homes,
they will go broke. I knew a family from Argentina that was in our
Absorption Center in ISrael. He had a very large family, some 12 kids,
and they were cramped into four small rooms in the "Mirkaz
Klita" (absorption center). As we go to talking, he told me that in
Argentina they had owned thousands of acres of land, and had huge
mansion. So I asked, what the hell was he doing here in little ISrael,
his large family stuffed into a few tinyl rooms? He said, what good is
a huge house and a huge ranch, when your money is worthless and can't
even maintain your car, much less feed and clothe such a large
family. That is the direction America is quickly heading in: large
homes; large cars; lots of acreage; no money. And it's not Israel's
fault.
Aviroce
worms? Hydatic rhymes with Hasadick.
Aviroce
England,..You don't belong in Palestine. As for the League of
Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, they had no right
to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.
No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany and
France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered. Later
on, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims blame the United States of America
who really put Israel on the map and still doing the same. Take a
guess, at the time the Haganah, Stern, Lakheyim, Lakud were
slaughtering women and children in Deir Yasein, the United States of
America had its naval Sixth Fleet in Cyprus, one bomber was sent to
Haifa, and a messenger ship was commuting between Haifa and Cyprus.
The United States of America, who refused the mandate as well as the
organization of the League of Nations under president Wilson, was
sheltering genocidal maniacs, atrocious savages, in short semites, in
their acts of genocide.
Between you and me, Israel is a menace to the human race and should be
abolished. I was unsuccessful to prohibit Jews in the United States
of America when I filed against the Jewish judge to get out of my
case. The more damage Israel and Jews do to the American people, the
more the courts and people will act against Jews. Israel is a
tyranny, I wrote when Begin was in charge. The same applies to
Sharon, Olmert, Natanyahoo (an American Israeli; a small world.)
jgarbuz
> Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
> England,..<
Muslims live there now. Brooklyn, which was half Jewish when I grew
up, is totally Muslim and Asian and others, and Jews are now a
minority in Brooklyn. Nope, Muslims are crowding everyone else. ANd so
we must crowd the Arabs out of our true homeland, Israel. And just as
Arabs have no problem or shame in crowding out everyone else in their
way, we must have no problem or shame in crowding Arabs out of our
true homeland. Arabs have plenty of lan
>You don't belong in Palestine.<
No, we belong in Eretz Yisrael. "Palestine" is a foreign name that
foreign occupiers gave our homeland.
> As for the League of
> Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, they had no right
> to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.<
Jews are the ONLY ones who have the right to live in Eretz Yisrael,
and all non_Jews who have a problem with that will be gently advised
to leave.
> No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany and
> France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered.<
Their misery comes from occupying Jewish land and then trying to
violently oppose our right to our land. And if they continue, their
lives will become more miserable, and possibly put to an end
altogether. The Land of Israel is JEWISH Land and the land will
continue to spit out the foreign Arab occupiers.
Aviroce
Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, they had no
right
to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.
No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany
and
France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered. Later
on, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims blame the United States of
America
who really put Israel on the map and still doing the same. Take a
guess, at the time the Haganah, Stern, Lakheyim, Lakud were
slaughtering women and children in Deir Yasein, the United States of
America had its naval Sixth Fleet in Cyprus, one bomber was sent to
Haifa, and a messenger ship was commuting between Haifa and Cyprus.
The United States of America, who refused the mandate as well as the
organization of the League of Nations under president Wilson, was
sheltering genocidal maniacs, atrocious savages, in short semites, in
their acts of genocide.
Between you and me, Israel is a menace to the human race and should
be
abolished. I was unsuccessful to prohibit Jews in the United States
of America when I filed against the Jewish judge to get out of my
case. The more damage Israel and Jews do to the American people, the
more the courts and people will act against Jews. Israel is a
tyranny, I wrote when Begin was in charge. The same applies to
Sharon, Olmert, Natanyahoo (an American Israeli; a small world.)
jgarbuz
> Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
in your way.
Ben Cramer
> On Apr 2, 9:15 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The idea of the article I wrote is to show how deceptive American Jews
>> are in presenting their interests-"To beguile the time, Look like the
>> time, Look like the innocent flower And be the serpent under it." The
>> only obvious serpent is you and I appreciate it. This way
>> Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims know who is the enemy notoriously.<
>
> You are the great serpents. We're just little worms :)
>
>> Let us see how you are going to crush the Palestinians on their own
>> land <
>
> "Own" land? Let's see their deeds. Let's see where it says so in the
> Quran.
Since when has the Quran been a repository for land deeds, garbageguz.
Many of the Arabs kicked out of Palestine by you stinky yids do indeed have
deeds of title over land swiped by you cunts.
mud...@sympatico.ca
>
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Israel cannot survive for a day without the American TAX dollars. Jews
are the biggest WELFARE recipient population of US government.
Aviroce
what they can to defeat Israel.
Aviroce
>
> - Show quoted text -
That is one way to help defeat Israel.
jgarbuz
> Fair answer. It is upto the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims to do
> what they can to defeat Israel.<
You know what they say, if three or four times you don't succeed, try,
try again :) Oh, I know, you're waiting the Iranian atomic bomb to be
ready. Well, we'll see how that goes. But if your side wins, get your
radiation suits ready and enjoy the beach :)
jgarbuz
Another Arab fairy tale the delusional Ayrabs are clinging to. Oh, if
only America would cut off the aid, we could march into Tel Aviv and
kill and loot the Jew bastards. Terror, oil and fairy tales. How
pathetic.
> That is one way to help defeat Israel.<
I hope the US cuts off aid to Israel. I pray for it. The US should
stop bribing ISrael from nuking the lot of you and wiping out your oil
fields too. But then gasoline prices might go as high as the one
Israelis are now paying, $6.28 a gallon, God forbid. Or, the Lord have
mercy, $8.00 a gallon as the French are
paying today! Do you know what that would mean??? Americans having to
live in small apartments just like Japanese, Europeans or Israelis?
Having to drive those little cars , or God forbid take the bus!?
That's worse than death! This is AMerica, for Chrissake!
Aviroce
> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
I buy real estates like apples and oranges. You make sense. If you
read my posts before you may had seen that "Israel is trying to get by
force a Quit Claim Deed to Palestine" and it is not working. The war
is never over and will never be over until these squatters are evicted
like my tenants.
Aviroce
only America would cut off the aid, we could march into Tel Aviv and
kill and loot the Jew bastards. Terror, oil and fairy tales. How
bastards" to the table to find ways to terminate a state of war.
Don't knock it. "The stone you don't like still can break your
head.">>>>>>>>
I hope the US cuts off aid to Israel. I pray for it. <<<<<I too pray
for the same thing. You will see these "Jew bastards" in
limbo.>>>>>>The US should
stop bribing ISrael from nuking the lot of you and wiping out your
oil
fields too.<<<<<<USA is not bribing. USA does not give something
without praying for better return. USA is a business corporation.
When the bitch stops coping with what is wanted, a new bitch is
chosen.>>>>>>><<<<<Speaking of nuking that is the terror that
terminated the Sixth-Day War. But when Palestinians, Arabs and
Muslims understood that cannot happen as it means self-destruction to
Jews, this terror potential is not effective. Hezbollah is a
testimonials.>>>>>><<<<<<Pack your bags and head to North Dakota. It
is better. We can use your services.>>>>>> But then gasoline prices
might go as high as the one Israelis are now paying, $6.28 a gallon,
God forbid. Or, the Lord have mercy, $8.00 a gallon as the French are
paying today! <<<<<<<Gasoline price rise was initially due to Israel
(1974 Arab Oil Embargo, One gallon for 19Cents before) USA was hit
with irrecoverable inflation, deflations, stagflation, recessions,
bubble bursts, all kind of economic troubles due to Israel and the
Jewish/Israeli Lobby. If the media is not Jewish, you would have a
crackdown on being a Jew.>>>>>>> Do you know what that would mean???
Americans having to
live in small apartments just like Japanese, Europeans or Israelis?
Having to drive those little cars , or God forbid take the bus!?
<<<<<Now I am buying properties where the bus stops or is near it. It
is cheaper.>>>>>>> <<<<<<<Americans are adaptable and don't want to
take oppression on their backs. They will see who is the problem
behind their miseries and act accordingly.>>>>>>>>
That's worse than death! This is AMerica, for Chrissake! <<<<<Don't
use "Chrissake" you are not a Christian. You are a Jew. You may say
for "Talmudsake" or "Protocolssake.">>>>>>>>
Aviroce
indeed the survivalists. They will never stop. I have seen the
results.
I started my posts/messages after 1967 when Jews made Arabs look like
nothing. In 1973, I declared "Palestine and the Palestinians are
indestructible." Ever since look what has happened. At least you
relinquished one piece of real estate. You want it. But you had to
relinquish it. You will relinquish ALL.
One time I wrote in the local paper,"Palestine makes the people."
These people are coming back. Pack your bags and head to North
Dakota.
Gary Renzetti
Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the place.
Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
"isr-el®".
Gary Renzetti
You're talking sense here, Jake. Is perhaps someone forging your posts?
Aviroce
>
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Total boycott of Israel by Arabs was the most effective weapon. But
some Arab, agents of the United States of America, have broken such a
boycott. One major Arab country is Egypt. Another, which has been
the most betraying Arab country of Palestinian cause, is Jordan which
was organized just to dilute Palestinian aspirations towards their
real homeland.
Some English universities have divested their investments from Israeli
enterprises. Boycott is a great method. But many peoples and many
countries should follow through on such a boycott. As an American, I
do not hire a Jew nor buy anything knowingly from a Jew or Jewish
business. When I need an attorney, I always request a non-Jewish
attorney; yet I find them on the opposite side especially when I sue
State Farm Life Insurance Company.
Aviroce
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your idea is well noted.
RBRK
$d8fe9d92$77...@PRIMUS.CA:
Hheeheehee
You forgot to mention:
instead wash with camel piss, drink camel piss and screw goats & little
girls like Mokhammed while the brits make you hate your neighbors and at
the same time they steal your oil.
New News:
Israel wants to build more walls. Any smart! palestinians interested in
building this long wall can call:
1-800-eat-shit
ROFLMAO
Tall Henry
Ben Cramer <be...@home.com> wrote:
> Many of the Arabs kicked out of Palestine
No they were not. A UN vote gave them the country,
which was never "Palestinian" to start with.
OTOH, aussie cunt, your filthy, barbaric,
murderous ancestors did swipe the land you infest, while
butchering its original owners.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/geno-s07.shtml
<quote>
Between 1824 and 1908 approximately 10,000 Aborigines were murdered
in the Colony of Queensland. "Considered 'wild animals', 'vermin', 'scarcely
human', 'hideous to humanity', 'loathsome' and a 'nuisance', they were fair
game for white 'sportsmen'."
</quote>
Ben Cramer
"RBRK" <Sar...@Irani.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A75EBAF03...@216.77.188.18...
Nah. That's history. The hebes are the ones still engaged in pederasty.
Talmud Permits Child-Adult Sex
http://www.talmudlies.com/talmud-children.htm
Talmud law permits sexual intercourse between children and adults. This
doctrine is contained in a number of Mishnahs. Before we examine them,
however, it is necessary that the reader be familiar with the word kethubah.
According to the Soncino Talmud Glossary:
KETHUBAH (Lit., 'a written [document]'); (a) a wife's marriage settlement
which she is entitled to recover on her being divorced or on the death of
her husband. The minimum settlement for a virgin is two hundred zuz, and for
a widow remarrying one hundred zuz; (b) the marriage contract specifying the
mutual obligations between husband and wife and containing the amount of the
endowment and any other special financial obligations assumed by the
husband.
- Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Talmud Glossary
Zuz is a unit of currency. We see, then, that a dollar (or zuz) value is put
on virginity.
Now let's look at a Mishnah from Kethuboth 11a:
MISHNAH. WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN (7) HAS HAD SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH (8) A
LITTLE GIRL, (9) OR WHEN A SMALL BOY (10) HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP
WOMAN, OR [WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY] INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD (11) -
[IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ] .
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57
The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with footnotes:
7. A man who was of age.
8. Lit., 'who came on'.
9. Less than three years old.
10. Less than nine years of age.
11. Lit., 'One who was injured by wood', as a result of which she injured
the hymen.
- Rabbi Dr. Daiches
Let's review the above-cited Mishnah: "When a grown-up man has had sexual
intercourse with a little girl, or when a small boy has intercourse with a
grown-up woman ." It is obvious that sex activity between a grown man and a
little girl, and between a grown woman and a little boy, is a part of the
woof and the warp of everyday Talmud life; such relationships, in the eyes
of the Sages, are unremarkable. There is no prohibition on sexual activity
between adults and young children - it is simply regulated. Recall the words
of the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi of the British Empire the late Dr.
Joseph Herman Hertz:
Religion in the Talmud attempts to penetrate the whole of human life with
the sense of law and right. Nothing human is in its eyes mean or trivial;
everything is regulated and sanctified by religion. Religious precept and
duty accompany man from his earliest years to the grave and beyond it. They
guide his desires and actions at every moment.
- Rabbi Dr. Hertz (38)
Thus, if the Talmud permits girls three years old and younger to be sexually
used by adults, that is the law. The concern of the Sages is to ensure that
the adult is not, technically speaking, in violation of any of the rules.
Regenerating Virginity
In the Gemara that follows the Mishnah of Kethuboth 11a (cited above), the
Sages discuss the issues. They say having intercourse with a girl younger
than three is like putting a finger in the eye. Rabbi Dr. Daiches explains
in the footnotes that, just as tears come to the eye again and again, so
does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.
GEMARA. Rab Judah said that Rab said: A small boy who has intercourse with a
grown-up woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood.
(1) When I said it before Samuel he said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does
not apply to (2) flesh. Some teach this teaching by itself: (3) [As to] a
small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman, Rab said, he makes her
[as though she were] injured by a piece of wood; whereas Samuel said:
'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to flesh. R. Oshaia objected:
WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS HAD INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE GIRL, OR WHEN A SMALL
BOY HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN, OR WHEN A GIRL WAS ACCIDENTALLY
INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD - [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO
HUNDRED [ZUZ]; SO ACCORDING TO R. MEIR. BUT THE SAGES SAY: A GIRL WHO WAS
INJURED ACCIDENTALLY BY A PIECE OF WOOD - HER KETHUBAH IS A MANEH! (4) Raba
said, It means (5) this: When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little
girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, (6) it is as if one
puts the finger into the eye; (7) but when a small boy has intercourse with
a grown-up woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood,'
and [with regard to the case of] 'a girl injured by a piece of wood,'
itself, there is the difference of opinion between R. Meir and the Sages.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 57-58
Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches amplifies the text with footnotes (page 58):
1. Although the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act,
nevertheless the woman is injured by it as by a piece of wood.
2. Lit., 'is not in'.
3. I.e., the difference of opinion between Rab and Samuel with regard to
that question was recorded without any reference to R. Judah.
4. The Sages differ only with regard to a girl injured by a piece of wood,
but not with regard to a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up
woman. This shows that the latter case cannot be compared with the former
case. The Mishnah would consequently be against Rab and for Samuel.
5. Lit., 'says'.
6. Lit., 'here', that is, less than three years old.
7. I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back
to the little girl under three years. Cf. Nid. 45a.
- Rabbi Dr. Daiches
To a person unaccustomed with the Talmud culture, it may seem that
discussion of sexual intercourse between grown men and very young girls is
merely theoretical. But as we shall see, cases are cited, judgments are
weighed and debated, and the Sages discuss the wounds suffered by the young
girls as a result of the intercourse.
More on Regenerating Virginity
We know that the amount of a woman's kethubah depends on her virginity on
her wedding day. But what of a woman who, as a little girl below the age of
three years, was raped or otherwise subjected to sexual intercourse? The
Sages rule that the kethubah of such a woman is set as if she were still a
virgin.
MISHNAH. A WOMAN PROSELYTE, A WOMAN CAPTIVE, AND A WOMAN SLAVE, WHO HAVE
BEEN REDEEMED, CONVERTED, OR FREED [WHEN THEY WERE] LESS THAN THREE YEARS
AND ONE DAY OLD - THEIR KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED [ZUZ]. AND THERE IS WITH
REGARD TO THEM THE CLAIM OF [NON-]VIRGINITY. (17)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 11a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 54
This seems like a generous and humanitarian ruling, the creation of a legal
fiction of virginity when the woman is no longer physiologically a virgin.
But Dr. Daiches corrects us. He tells us that, according to the Sages, the
hymen of a girl younger than three literally grows back again.
17. If they had sexual intercourse before they were three years and one day
old the hymen would grow again, and they would be virgins. V. 9a and 11b and
cf. Nid. 44b and 45a.
- Rabbi Dr. Daiches (25)
See also the discussion of Niddah 44b and 45a, below.
As we continue to explore the Talmud doctrines on child-adult sex, we will
see further confirmation that the Talmud Sages believed that the hymen
regenerates in a girl younger than three.
". Of Lesser Age, No Guilt is Incurred"
In modern America, sex between an adult and a child is condemned in
proportion to the youth of the child. That is, Americans generally consider
sex with a fifteen year old, a twelve year old, a six year old, and a
three-year-old on a continuous scale of condemnation. The younger the child,
the greater the condemnation.
Talmudic law works on the reverse scale: sex with younger children is less
significant than sex with older children. How did this doctrine come about?
Scripture states thus:
22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
- Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
The Old Testament prohibits a man lying with a man; but notice, the Old
Testament does not prohibit a man lying with a boy. Thus, the Talmud Sages
arrive at their position on pederasty. In the following, bestiality said to
be committed "naturally" when a man uses the vaginal passage of the beast,
and "unnaturally" when a man uses the anal passage of the beast. The Sages
make a similar distinction for the couplings of a woman with a beast.
GEMARA. . Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not
deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a
child below three years is not treated as with a child above that. (2) What
is the basis of their dispute? - Rab maintains that only he who is able to
engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw
guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in
sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that
respect]. (3) But Samuel maintains: Scripture writes, [And thou shalt not
lie with mankind] as with the lyings of a woman. (4)
It has been taught in accordance with Rab: Pederasty at the age of nine
years and a day; [55a] [he] who commits bestiality, whether naturally or
unnaturally; or a woman who causes herself to be bestially abused, whether
naturally or unnaturally, is liable to punishment. (5)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54b - 55a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 371
The translator, Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman, amplifies the text with footnotes.
Note particularly footnote 2: ". but if one committed sodomy with a child of
lesser age, no guilt is incurred." See also the final sentence of footnote
5: ". nine years (and a day) is the minimum age of the passive partner for
the adult to be liable." (See Soncino Talmud Glossary for definition of
Baraitha.)
2. I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with
a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
3. At nine years a male attains sexual matureness.
4. Lev. XVIII, 22. Thus the point of comparison is the sexual matureness of
woman, which is reached at the age of three.
5. (Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged
nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses
in this Baraitha. The first - a male aged nine years and a day - refers to
the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult
offender. This must be its meaning - because firstly, the active offender is
never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the
Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the
passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to
the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why
single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not
incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence
the Baraitha supports Rab's contention that nine years (and a day) is the
minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable.
- Rabbi Dr. Freedman
The plain English meaning of the Talmud text is clear, but if there is any
doubt, the Soncino scholars put the matter to rest: No guilt is incurred
with a boy child younger than nine, even in incest. Thus we see that
Orthodox Jewish doctrines concerning homosexuality are not accurately
represented by Dr. Laura and other Orthodox spokesmen.
Out of Context?
When quoted, those passages in Tractate Sanhedrin 54b and 55a are sometimes
said to be taken out of context. Theologian James Trimm is one who makes
this protest.(6) But now the full context of Sanhedrin 54b and 55a - and
indeed, the complete Sanhedrin - is available to the readers of Come and
HearT.
Rabbi Michael Rodkinson, whose English translation of the Talmud was
republished in 1918, censored the Sages' teaching on this issue. The 1918
Edition of Rabbi Rodkinson's Talmud was published under the editorship of
Rabbi Dr. I. M. Wise, the pioneer of Reform Judaism. Rabbi Rodkinson
explains his censorship in a footnote:
We deem it expedient not to translate about two pages of the text preceding
the next Mishna, treating of miserable crimes with men and animals, and
giving the discussion with questions and answers, it would be undesirable to
express in the English language .
- Rabbi Rodkinson (26)
For further discussion, see "Rabbi Rodkinson Censors the Talmud" in Do Not
Censor the Talmud, Please.
Censorship, expurgation, and denial of the clear and obvious meaning of
basic religious text do not help inter-religious understanding. It does not
help people of different religions understand each others' faiths. See What
We're About.
The lack of reliable authoritative information on the doctrines of Judaic
law is a significant problem as American society and law becomes more
Talmudized. Such information gaps can cause unwanted societal consequences.
America Is Rapidly Becoming Talmudized
In 1999, the Supreme Court agreed to consider an amicus brief based wholly
on Talmudic law (see Sentence and Execution).
In November 2002, the American Orthodox Jewish community held a kosher
dinner in the Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the
National Institute for Judaic Law. (31) The dinner was attended by 200
people, including three Supreme Court Justices. The purpose of the Institute
is to introduce Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools.
It is thus the clear civic duty of every American to become intimately
acquainted with the Talmud. Read articles at:
Death Penalty: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html
Kosher Dinner: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jp-11-09-2002 and
http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jw-01-08-03
Oedipal Incest
According to Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman (footnote 5, above), in Sanhedrin 54b-55a
the Sages confirm, "in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not
incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day."
Therefore, a mother who encourages her son to have sexual intercourse with
her incurs no guilt if her son is younger than nine years old and a day. In
such an arrangement, the mother would be the "passive" adult, of course.
Adult Male Homosexuality
MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT
COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 367
This clears matters up. Consenting adults who engage in homosexuality suffer
the death penalty. But homosexuality with a male child under the age of nine
years and a day is not punishable (Sanhedrin 54b-55a, above). Recall Rabbi
Dr. Freedman's clear statement of the doctrine:
2. I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with
a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
- Rabbi Dr. Freedman (21)
Female Homosexuality
But what of female homosexuality?
GEMARA. . Women who practise lewdness with one another are disqualified from
marrying a priest.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 76a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 512 - 513
The same statement appears in Shabbath 65a, page 311. The ruling, then, is
only that a woman who "commits lewdness" with another is disqualified from
marrying a priest. Thus a woman who never had ambitions to marry a priest
suffers no sanction for her homosexual activity.
All of this paints a different picture of Orthodox Jewish doctrine on
homosexuality - as enshrined in the G-d-given law of the Talmud. What would
Dr. Laura say if she knew? Or does she?
More on Oedipal Incest
In the following passage, the question before the Sages is this: If a mother
committed incest with her son, would she still be eligible to marry a
priest? As we shall see, the answer depends on the son's age. Again, incest
with a young boy is not a concern, while incest with an older boy brings
consequences to the adult. Here, the Sages debate the threshold age.
GEMARA. . Our Rabbis taught: If a woman sported lewdly with her young son [a
minor], and he committed the first stage of cohabitation with her, - Beth
Shammai say, he thereby renders her unfit to the priesthood. Beth Hillel
declare her fit. R. Hiyya the son of Rabbah b. Nahmani said in R. Hisda's
name; others state, R. Hisda said in Ze'iri's name: All agree that the
connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst
that of one less than eight years is not: (2) their dispute refers only to
one who is eight years old, Beth Shammai maintaining, We must base our
ruling on the earlier generations, but (3) Beth Hillel hold that we do not.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 69b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 470
The translator, Dr. Freedman, uses "cohabitation" to denote sexual
intercourse. (32) He amplifies the text with footnotes.
2. So that if he was nine years and a day or more, Beth Hillel agree that
she is invalidated from the priesthood; whilst if he was less that eight,
Beth Shammai agree that she is not
3. When a boy of that age could cause conception.
- Rabbi Dr. Freedman
The issue rests on the boy's theoretical ability to cause conception. Since
(theoretically) a boy younger than nine cannot cause conception, he cannot
(theoretically) engage in sexual intercourse (see above, from page 58,
footnote 1, ". the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual
act"). This is a specialized definition of sexual intercourse.
The boy's youth also exempts the man who sodomizes him - from moral guilt
and legal liability. That is, the young boy cannot "throw guilt" on a man
who lies with him, and the Scripture does not apply. If the boy is old
enough to cause conception, the man who lies with him is in violation of
Scripture.
And now we have the answer to a question that might have occurred to the
reader when we discussed incest between mother and son, above: Why wouldn't
a mother like that be charged with incest? We have seen this explanation
from Rabbi Dr. Freedman before, but it warrants further study. In a
synthesis of logical premises unique to Talmudism, the translator again
helps us out with a footnote. The language is complex, but the meaning of
the last few lines is clear: By reckoning back and forth between the
definition of "man," "cause conception," "active," and "passive"
participants in a sexual act, the conclusion is drawn that incest is not
punishable with a boy younger than nine years old.
5. [Rashi reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged
nine years and a day who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses
in this Baraitha. The first - a male aged nine years and a day - refers to
the passive subject of pederasty, the punishment being incurred by the adult
offender. This must be its meaning - because firstly, the active offender is
never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the
Bible states, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, where only the sex of the
passive participant is mentioned; and secondly, if the age reference is to
the active party, the guilt being incurred by the passive adult party, why
single out pederasty: in all crimes of incest, the passive adult does not
incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence
the Baraitha supports Rab's contention that nine years (and a day) is the
minimum age of the passive partner for the adult to be liable.
- Rabbi Dr. Freedman (24)
American Puritanism vs. Rabbinic Tradition
Forward reports criticism of Young Israel's award to Dr. Laura.
The problem, according to her liberal critics, is that Ms. Schlessinger
pushes a conservative, pro-life platform that is out of touch with the
mostly liberal American Jewish public. Worse, they say, is that her
"sanctimonious" moralism and harsh style are more a reflection of American
Puritanism than the ancient rabbinic tradition.
"It's sad that with all the outstanding individuals doing great work, the
National Council of Young Israel has chosen someone whose comments have been
so divisive within and outside of the Jewish community," said Rabbi Douglas
Kahn, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of
San Francisco.
Rabbi Kahn said he was referring in particular to the controversy sparked by
Ms. Schlessinger's claim that homosexuality is "deviant" and a "biological
error." Last year gay rights organizations and other liberal groups
organized a boycott of Ms. Schlessinger's new television show, which was
eventually canceled due to poor ratings.
More than a dozen Jewish leaders signed a critical letter to Ms.
Schlessinger, including Rabbi Paul Menitoff, the executive vice president of
the Reform movement's Central Conference of American Rabbis.
- Forward(5)
Indeed, Rabbis Kahn, Menitoff, and other Reform rabbis are right. Dr. Laura
is not representing "the ancient rabbinic tradition," which allows ample
room for homosexuality and pederasty. But why didn't Rabbis Kahn and
Menitoff and their Reform colleagues publicly correct Dr. Laura and her
Orthodox mentors, in particular Rabbi Moshe Bryski, by using the authority
of direct quotes from the Talmud?
Children as Concubines, Babies as Wives
The ancient Hebrews were permitted to use children as concubines. Moses
established the precedent. In the passage below, the Hebrews have just
massacred the Midianite men. They return home with booty, and the Midianite
women and children. Moses directs them to slaughter the captive women and
children with this exception: virgin girl children are to be kept as
concubines for the Hebrews.
12. And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses,
and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel,
unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
13. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the
congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
14. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains
over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16. Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there
was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourselves.
- Numbers 31:12-18 (KJV)
In the following, the Talmud Sages reason that, since Phinehas was among the
Hebrews who were permitted a child concubine and Phinehas was a priest,
Numbers 31:17-18 is Divine sanction for the marriage of priests with girls
under the age of three - babies. The rabbis describe the babies as
proselytes. The American Heritage Dictionary defines proselyte as "a Gentile
converted to Judaism." In the following passage, a bondman is a male slave,
and a bondwoman a female slave.
GEMARA. . It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under
the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, (2) for
it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) and Phinehas (4) surely was with them.
And the Rabbis? (5) - [These were kept alive] as bondmen and bondwomen. (6)
If so, (7) a proselyte whose age is three years and one day (8) should also
be permitted! - [The prohibition is to be explained] in accordance with R.
Huna. For R. Huna pointed out a contradiction: It is written, Kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him, (9) but if she hath not known,
save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept
alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other
hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known
man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, (3) but do not spare them
if they have known. Consequently (10) it must be said that Scripture speaks
of one who is fit (11) for cohabitation. (12)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 402
This is a special definition of cohabitation. The translator, Rev. Dr.
Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with footnotes:
2. She is not regarded as a harlot.
3. Num. XXXI, 18.
4. Who was a priest.
5. How could they, contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon b. Yohai, which has
Scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte?
6. Not for matrimony.
7. That, according to R. Simeon, Num. XXXI, 18 refers to matrimony.
8. So long as she has 'not known man'.
9. Num. XXXI, 17.
10. To reconcile the contradiction.
11. I.e., one who had attained the age of three years and one day.
12. Not one who had actually experienced it.
- Rev. Dr. Slotki
The doctrine that Jewish men may have sexual intercourse with non-Jewish
children ("proselytes") under the age of three is expanded in the following
passage; "Rabbi" is Judah the Prince.
GEMARA. . R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the name of R. Joshua b. Levi: The
halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon b. Yohai. (13) Said R. Zera to R.
Jacob b. Idi: Did you hear this (13) explicitly or did you learn it by a
deduction? What [could be the] deduction? - As R. Joshua b. Levi related:
There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose
inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry
and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three
years and one day, (14) and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a
priest. (15)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 403
The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with
footnotes:
13. That a proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married
by a priest.
14. And was married to a priest.
15. I.e., permitted her to continue to live with her husband.
- Rev. Dr. Slotki
Not every Sage agreed with this practice. The Talmud records the words of
one Sage who objected to one case, though it does not record the specifics
of his objection.
GEMARA. . A certain priest married a proselyte who was under the age of
three years and one day. Said R. Nahman b. Isaac to him: What [do you mean
by] this? (12) - The other replied: Because R. Jacob b. Idi stated in the
name of R. Joshua b. Levi that the halachah is in agreement with R. Simeon
b. Yohai. (13) 'Go', the first said, 'and arrange for her release, or else I
will pull R. Jacob b. Idi out of your ear'. (14)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 404
The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with
footnotes:
12. I.e., on what authority did you contract the marriage.
13. V. supra p. 403. n. 13.
14. He would place him under the ban and thus compel him to carry out his
decision which is contrary to that of R. Jacob b. Idi.
- Rev. Dr. Slotki
How Old Is the Screamer?
In Talmud doctrine, if a wife is a screamer - that is, her voice can be
heard by the neighbors - she can be divorced without her kethubah.
MISHNAH. THESE ARE TO BE DIVORCED WITHOUT RECEIVING THEIR KETHUBAH: A WIFE
WHO TRANSGRESSES THE LAW OF MOSES OR [ONE WHO TRANSGRESSES] JEWISH
PRACTICE . [SUCH TRANSGRESSIONS INCLUDE] ALSO THAT OF A WIFE WHO CURSES HER
HUSBAND'S PARENTS IN HIS PRESENCE. R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. AND
WHO IS REGARDED A SCREAMER? A WOMAN WHOSE VOICE CAN BE HEARD BY HER
NEIGHBOURS WHEN SHE SPEAKS INSIDE HER HOUSE.
- Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth 72a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 449
However, in the current context of the child bride, the matter becomes
another issue. It is surely possible that a three or four-year-old wife
screams in pain when required to perform her marital duties. On reading
further, the Gemara explains that if the wife screams during intercourse, it
may be a sign of a physical defect.
GEMARA. . R. TARFON SAID: ALSO ONE WHO SCREAMS. What is meant by a
screamer? - Rab Judah replied in the name of Samuel: One who speaks aloud
(10) on marital matters. In a Baraitha it was taught: [By screams was meant
a wife] whose voice (11) during her intercourse in one court can be heard in
another court. But should not this, then, (12) have been taught in the
Mishnah (13) among defects? (14) - Clearly we must revert to the original
explanation. (15)
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 72b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 453
Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki amplifies the above Gemara in the following
footnotes. He tells us these were not screams of pleasure - they were
screams of pain.
10. Lit., 'makes her voice heard'.
11. Her screams of pain caused by the copulation.
12. Since her screaming is due to a bodily defect.
13. Infra 77a.
14. Of course it should. Such a case in our Mishnah is out of place.
15. That given in the name of Samuel.
- Rev. Dr. Slotki
In some cases, however, the screaming wife may be one who is so young and
physically underdeveloped, her sexual organs cannot accommodate those of a
grown man. It seems this child is at risk of being divorced without her
kethubah. That is, of course, a concern.
A Different Viewpoint
There is not Talmud prohibition against sexual activity between an adult and
very a young child on the basis that such activity could wound the child.
Instead, the concern of the Sages is focused on interpreting Biblical
injunctions and technicalities that absolve the adult from guilt or
liability: At what age, they ask, does the child begin to cause "defilement"
of the adult who uses the child for sex?
This next passage illustrates the point once more. The Sages debate "from
what age does a heathen child cause defilement"? Is it nine years, or is it
three years? If the correct threshold age is observed, the Jew incurs no
guilt for the act of pederasty.
GEMARA. . From what age does a heathen child cause defilement by seminal
emission? From the age of nine years and one day, [37a] for inasmuch as he
is then capable of the sexual act he likewise defiles by emission. Rabina
said: It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates
defilement] from the age of three years and one day, for inasmuch as she is
then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is
obvious! - You might argue that he is at an age when he knows to persuade [a
female] but she is not at an age when she knows to persuade [a male, and
consequently although she is technically capable of the sexual act, she does
not cause defilement until she is nine years and one day old]. Hence he
informs us [that she communicates defilement at the earlier age].
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Abodah Zarah 36b-37a
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 178-179
This may surprise the American reader who encounters it for the first time.
In our society, of course, an adult who uses a child - particularly a very
young child - for sexual activity is criminally censured.
Brother Takes Three-Year-Old Widow
In Tractate Niddah, again there is approval for priests to marry and
copulate with baby girls. This passage describes a situation in which a
priest dies without children, leaving a three-year-old widow. In such case,
the priest's brother (the yebam) can acquire the girl by having sexual
intercourse with her. The ellipsis (.) in the following Mishna indicates the
omission of non-germane text. The full text is available through the link at
the Come and HearT link, below.
MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY
INTERCOURSE; . IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH.
- Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308
Terumah is the word for temple offerings eaten by priests. This statement
indicates that the three-year-old bride is the widow of the priest in all
respects and privileges.
In the passage below, we see that the widow of a man who is not a priest can
be sexually possessed by her erstwhile brother-in-law and thereby become his
wife.
GEMARA. . R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day
may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's
brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376
The statement quoted above from Tractate Sanhedrin 55b also appears in
Tractate Sanhedrin 69a, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 469.
Wounding Young Brides by Intercourse
The Sages go on to discuss sexual intercourse with a girl younger than three
years old: Wounding the child and causing her to bleed is one possible
result. From the Sages' description, it is apparent that the baby bleeds
again and again from copulation with a grown man, and the Sages, once again,
attribute the bleeding to the repetitive rupturing of the hymen (i.e.,
virginity growing back).
In the following Mishnah, non-germane text is omitted (.). Please follow the
source link to view the complete Mishnah.
MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY
INTERCOURSE; . IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE
PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309
The image of "a finger in the eye" is once again explained in the following
Gemara. The possibility that the three-year-old committed adultery with a
stranger is also addressed:
GEMARA. . IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE
PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. It was asked, Do the features of virginity
disappear and reappear again or is it possible that they cannot be
completely destroyed until after the third year of her age? In what
practical respect could this matter? - In one, for instance, where her
husband had intercourse with her before the age of three and found blood,
and when he had intercourse after the age of three he found no blood. If you
grant that they disappear and reappear again [it might well be assumed] that
there 'was not sufficient time for their reappearance, but if you maintain
that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years it would be
obvious that a stranger cohabited with her. Now what is your decision? - R.
Hiyya son of R. Ika demurred: But who can tell us that a wound inflicted
within the three years is not healed forthwith, seeing it is possible that
it is immediately healed and it would thus be obvious that a stranger had
cohabited with her? Rather the practical difference is the case, for
instance, where her husband had intercourse with her while she was under
three years of age and found blood and when he had intercourse after the age
of three he also found blood. If you grant that the features disappear and
reappear again the blood might well be treated as that of virginity, but if
you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three
years, that must be the blood of menstruation. Now what is your decision? -
R. Hisda replied, Come and hear: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE,
INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE; what need was
there to state, LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE' instead of merely saying:
IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS of no
consequence'? Does not this then teach us that as the eye tears and tears
again so do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309-310
Rest for the Intercourse Wound
This Gemara from Tractate Kethuboth takes up the discussion of the
pre-pubescent bride who is wounded by intercourse.
GEMARA. . R. Hisda objected: If a girl, whose period to see [blood] had not
arrived yet, got married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her four nights, and
the disciples of Hillel say: Until the wound is healed up. (1) If her period
to see [blood] had arrived and she married, Beth Shammai say: One gives her
the first night, and Beth Hillel say: Until the night following the Sabbath
[one gives her] four nights.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth 6a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 20-21
The translator, Rabbi Dr. Samuel Daiches, amplifies the text with this
footnote.
1. The blood that comes out is attributed to the wound and not to
menstruation. Ordinarily, after the first intercourse further intercourse is
forbidden until the coming out of blood, i.e., menstruation, is over. But in
this case, in which the young bride had never yet had any menstruation, it
is assumed that the blood is not due to menstruation but to the wound caused
by the intercourse. According to Beth Shammai this assumption holds good for
four nights, and according to Beth Hillel it holds good 'until the wound is
healed up.' As to the definition of this phrase, v. Nid. 64b. V. also Nid.
65b, where it is finally decided that after the first coition no further
intercourse must take place until the flowing of blood has stopped, even in
the case of a young bride who had not yet had any menstruation. V. also Eben
ha-'Ezer, 63, and Yoreh De'ah, 193.
- Rabbi Dr. Daiches
We have been told that according to Jewish law, a post-pubescent bride who
bleeds after the first intercourse does not have intercourse again until
after her next menstrual period (above). The situation is different,
however, for a bride who has not reached the age of menstruation. What are
the rules concerning the bleeding pre-pubescent bride? Shammai rabbis say
the intercourse wound should be given four nights rest. The Hillel rabbis
recommend abstinence until the wound is healed (Kethuboth 6a). See also
Tractate Niddah, as follows:
MISHNAH. IF A YOUNG GIRL, WHOSE AGE OF MENSTRUATION HAS NOT YET ARRIVED,
MARRIED, BETH SHAMMAI RULED: SHE IS ALLOWED FOUR NIGHTS, AND BETH HILLEL
RULED: UNTIL THE WOUND IS HEALED.
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 64b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 454
Again, there is no prohibition of a sexual practice that would almost
certainly cause physical damage to a young girl due to the mismatched sizes
of genitals between an adult's penis and a child's vagina or anus.
Old Fashioned Torah Values?
At a time when Americans are displaying an ever-increasing interest in all
things Jewish - from kabbala to Senator Joseph Lieberman to "Kosher Sex" -
Dr. Laura is the most popular source for a healthy dose of Jewish nagging,
guilt trips and what she presents as lessons in good old-fashioned Torah
values.
- Forward(5)
We have seen in Numbers 31:12-18 that Moses permitted grown men to use
little girls as concubines. In the Talmud, grown men are permitted to have
sexual intercourse with female babies and children, and homosexual relations
with boys younger than nine.
Those "good old fashioned Torah values" are not quite as Christian America
remembers them.
Marital Duties of the Pre-Pubescent Bride
The marital duties of the pre-pubescent brides are addressed in at least
three tractates in almost the same words (Yebamoth 12b and 100b, Niddah 45a,
and Kethuboth 39a).
In the following passage, the Sages discuss the use of contraception. All
the Sages agree that a wife younger than eleven - a wife who is too young to
become pregnant - is required to carry on "marital intercourse" in the
normal manner. Recall that those brides can be as young as three, and
sometimes younger.
GEMARA. . Three classes of woman may use an absorbent (1) in their marital
intercourse: (2) A minor, and an expectant and a nursing mother. The
minor,(3) because otherwise she might become pregnant and die. An expectant
mother, (3) because otherwise she might cause her foetus to degenerate into
a sandal. (4) A nursing mother, (3) because otherwise she might have to wean
her child prematurely, (5) and this would result in his death. And what is
the age of such a 'minor'? (6) From the age of eleven years and one day to
the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under (7) or over this age
(8) must carry on her marital intercourse in a normal manner; so R. Meir.
But the Sages ruled: The one as well as the other carries on her marital
intercourse in a normal manner and mercy (9) will be vouchsafed from heaven,
for it is said in Scripture, The Lord preserveth the simple (10) .
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 311
The translator, Rev. Dr. Israel W. Slotki, amplifies the text with these
footnotes:
1. Muk, flax or hackled wool.
2. To avoid conception.
3. Is permitted the use of the absorbent.
4. A fish-shaped abortion. Lit., 'flat-fish'.
5. On account of her second conception which causes the deterioration of her
breast milk.
6. Of whom it has been said that she is capable of conception but is thereby
exposed to fatal consequences.
7. When conception is impossible.
8. When conception involves no danger.
9. To protect them from harm.
10. Ps. CXVI, 6; sc. those who are unable to protect themselves. At any rate
it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age is incapable of
conception. .
- Rev. Dr. Slotki
Did Girls Reach Puberty Earlier Then?
It is sometimes claimed that in the days when the Talmud Sages walked the
earth, girls matured earlier; hence, sexual intercourse with girls three
years old and younger was not inappropriate. However, the Talmud itself
repudiates this assertion.
In Tractate Niddah 45a (quoted above), the Sages argue: "From the age of
eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day" a girl may
use an "absorbent" (contraception) "because otherwise she might become
pregnant and die." The Sages also say girls younger (than eleven) must carry
on sexual intercourse "in the normal manner." Therefore, as a general rule,
the Sages did not expect a girl younger than eleven could get pregnant. The
statements in Niddah 45a indicate that sexual maturation of women in the
time of the Talmud Sages compares with sexual maturation of women in our own
day.
Or consider the passage that appears just previous in Niddah 45a:
GEMARA. . It is related of Justinia the daughter of 'Aseverus son of
Antonius that she once appeared before Rabbi. 'Master', she said to him, 'at
what age may a woman marry?'. 'At the age of three years and one day', he
told her. 'And at what age is she capable of conception?' 'At the age of
twelve years and one day', he replied. 'I', she said to him, 'married at the
age of six and bore a child at the age of seven; alas for the three years
that I have lost at my father's house'. But can a woman conceive at the age
of six years?
- Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 310
Justinia's assertion that she had a child at seven is surprising, and it
even surprises the Sages ("But can a woman conceive at the age of six
years?"). But note that Rabbi (Judah the Prince), who was familiar with far
more than a single girl's experience, estimated twelve as the earliest age
for childbearing. Rabbi would of course be familiar with all phases of human
life from his career of counseling, judging, and recording. Remember (Talmud
Laws of Menstruation), the rabbis were intimately familiar with the
physiological details of their female parishioners, consulted even on
specimens of a woman's vaginal discharge. Rev. Dr. Slotki remarks on the
above Gemara in footnote 10 on the following page:
10. . At any rate it was here stated that a minor under eleven years of age
is incapable of conception. How then is Justinia's story to be reconciled
with this statement?
- Rev. Dr. Slotki (3)
The Rights of the Child
The treatment of children in Orthodox Judaism has caused concern in Italy. A
Genoa court, ruling in a custody dispute, accepted the report of
psychologists that Orthodox Judaism views "exploitation and cruelty to
minors as legitimate . and perverted behavior as normal." For more details,
see Appendix: The Rights of the Child.
The Rudin Standard
Let us consider again Forward's coverage of Dr. Laura's National Heritage
award from Young Israel.
With 20 million listeners and a tendency to present her conservative views
as an outgrowth of her Orthodox Jewish faith, Dr. Laura may well be
Judaism's top ambassador to middle America.
- Forward (5)
But we notice Dr. Laura never tells Middle America about the doctrines of
Orthodox Judaism on child-adult sex. We wonder how things would work out for
her ratings if she followed the advice of Rabbi A. James Rudin, Senior
Interreligious Adviser of the American Jewish Committee.
In February 2002, Rabbi Rudin wrote an article for Forward, commenting on
the Vatican's decision to open its World War II archives - partially. In
that context, Rabbi Rudin offered the Vatican the following advice:
. one thing is clear. Partial, incomplete or pre-selected archival records
will not be enough in a world where transparency and full disclosure is now
the norm if an institution - whether political, financial, or spiritual - is
to maintain its integrity.
- Rabbi A. James Rudin (8)
If it is important to fully disclose records of historical events, surely it
is more important to fully disclose fundamental religious doctrines that may
soon be embodied in US law - especially when those doctrines are
controversial.
On the subject of child-adult sex, there is a great divide between Talmud
culture and American culture. However, the extent of that divide is known
only to one side. Rabbis in America know and understand American culture,
Americans know almost nothing about Talmud culture. When the fundamental
doctrines of the Talmud are examined carefully, we find that feminist writer
Judith Levine, author of Not Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting
Kids from Sex, is truer to classical Judaism than Dr. Laura.
Jewish leadership - from the most liberal of the Reform rabbis to the most
conservative of the Orthodox rabbis - have done Judaism a disservice by not
coming forward with the facts and applying Rabbi Rudin's standard of full
disclosure. How can we achieve understanding between people of different
religious faiths if we do not take courage and stand behind our own
religious convictions?
jgarbuz
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> >>jgarbuzwrote:
> >>> On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
> >>>> England,..You don't belong in Palestine. As for the League of
> >>>> Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, <
Just like the UN is a big center of antisemitism. The League had every
right to do anything it wanted to with any territory conquered by the
Allies during WWI.
>they had no
> >>>> right
> >>>> to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.<<
Neither did the Arabs. They had no deeds, nor any mandate from the
Quran. They just occupied Jewish soil as if it was part of Arabia.
Islam is just a cover for Arab imperialism, and nothing more.
> >>>> No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany
> >>>> and
> >>>> France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered. <<<<
Then why did they have so many children? How does a people multiply 20
times in 80 years when it is so miserable? Does fucking and having 12
kids per hamullah mitigate their misery?
> Later
> >>>> on, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims blame the United States of
> >>>> America
> >>>> who really put Israel on the map and still doing the same.<<<<
JEws put Israel on the map by building up the country you shitty Arabs
destroyed, and kicking the asses of every Arab army that tried to stop
us. And will continue to do so until either the Arabs are stopped, or
Islam is destroyed, which ever comes first.
Take a
> >>>> guess, at the time the Haganah, Stern, Lakheyim, Lakud<<
What is Lakeyim? Or Lakud?
>>> were
> >>>> slaughtering women and children in Deir Yasein,<<<
We are going to kill every Arab that tries to deny us our homeland,
whether they be woman or children. The men are sissies and can't fight
so they send their children and women to die for them.
>>> the United States of
> >>>> America had its naval Sixth Fleet in Cyprus, one bomber was sent to
> >>>> Haifa, and a messenger ship was commuting between Haifa and Cyprus.
> >>>> The United States of America, who refused the mandate as well as the
> >>>> organization of the League of Nations under president Wilson, was
> >>>> sheltering genocidal maniacs, atrocious savages, in short semites, in
> >>>> their acts of genocide.<<<
You and your history are as fucked as your English skills. Israel was
built by Jews, not by America, and Jews kicked your Islamic ARab
asses, and you should accept defeat just like GErmany and Japan
finally did. If not we'll bomb Mecca, Medina, Qoms and every Arab
capital into radioactive dust.
> >>>> Between you and me, Israel is a menace to the human race and should
> >>>> be
> >>>> abolished. I was unsuccessful to prohibit Jews in the United States
> >>>> of America when I filed against the Jewish judge to get out of my
> >>>> case. The more damage Israel and Jews do to the American people, <<<
The American people were doing JUST FINE until you Muzzies and other
Turd World types started showing up here. Thanks to Jews, the US had
Levy jeans, the atomic bomb first, a nuclear navy, the cell phone was
developed by Jews, the polio vaccine, MGM Hollywood, and helped make a
great country. And then, in '65, the fucking LIBERAL Jews went and
fucked it all up, by changing the immigration laws to allow you
disgusting TURD world humanoids to enter this golden land. ANd slowly,
but now quickly, it's been downhill since. It wasn't the productive
Jews, but the liberal "intellectuals" that allowed the zoo to flood
into America, bringing it down to TURD WORLD standards, which is all
human garbage like you can contribute. Terrrorism, antisemitism, and
general unrest is all human crap like you can provide. Thankfully, the
US is lucky because Israel will provide solar energy systems and may
save America yet, provided the American people realize they must keep
Islamic savages like you out. if not, America will continue to sink
and turn into an Arabian desert, just like what you did to Israel over
the centuries when you turned it into "Palestine." A shithole called
"Palestine."
Ben Cramer
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RBRK
Did he hurt you?
:-)
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****Let us wait and see. I bet Israeli colony will be destroyed.
Mathematically speaking, that is a certainty.***
It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull.
H. L. Mencken
You are dull, Muslim Aviroce.
I
On Apr 2, 10:59 am, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 1, 7:54 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Look how the Jews in control of the media are deceiving Americans!
>
> >> They speak of a controversy about Rev. Wright who was a pastor for
> >> the
> >> most lovable candidate for president of the United States of America.
> >> The Jewish media does not quote what Rev. Wright said or did. May
> >> be
> >> you ought to wonder why. Rev. Wright was dissatisfied with the
> >> attitude of the Jewish community towards the genocide Israel is
> >> committing in Israeli Concentration Camps. Rev. Wright has been
> >> unhappy about the starvation imposed on the Palestinian population in
> >> the Israeli Concentration Camps. <
>
> > We will conquer and CRUSH the "Palestinians" until they accept that
> > they are living on Jewish land. And if they don't accept it, they will
> > be pushed into Jordan or Egypt. The US crushed Germany and Japan in
> > WWII, and Israel's mistake has been to be too piecemeal and lenient.
> > Enemies must be crushed, not coddled.
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staten
**** These Zionist/Jewish deceivers have been exploiting American blood and
treasure. Time to wake up America and its legal system to deal with
Absolutely. It's time to wake up and to expell all Muslims from America. You
are the first on the list.
staten
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*****Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
England,.*****
Your home is Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt. What are you doing
in the West ? Why are you keep coming to the West in droves with all your
wives, children, imams, Korans and Sharia? Why you keep flooding the West if
you so much hate it?
*****.You don't belong in Palestine. As for the League of
Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, they had no right
to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.****
You don't belong to the West. Your home is Arabia . You have no rights to
force down your throats your Sharia , but you still do. Why are you such
nasty intruders? Why are you fighting (slaughtering people who have
absolutely nothing in common with Palestinians) thousands and thousands
miles away from Palestine , you hypocritical goatfuckers?
staten
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****Palestinians are the most resiliant people on planet earth. They are
indeed the survivalists. They will never stop. I have seen the
results.****
Yeah , the results are astonishing. Now Palestinians murder each other with
resilience of maniacs.
****I started my posts/messages after 1967 when Jews made Arabs look like
nothing. In 1973, I declared "Palestine and the Palestinians are
indestructible." Ever since look what has happened. ****
Nothing. Israelis just stopped fighting. When Israelis will start fighting
again, all Palestinians will be back in their cages where they belong to.
staten
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On Apr 2, 10:52 pm, jgarbuz <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
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****Israel cannot survive for a day without the American TAX dollars. Jews
are the biggest WELFARE recipient population of US government.*****
How about the Arabs and the PLO the largest recipients of the welfare check
after Israel? Just last month Bush stole from our pockets another 160
millions to keep the Palestinian terrorists afloat. How many minutes the PLO
gang would survive if not the US shielding it from Israelis and from their
own gang rivals?
alittlesanity
Ben Cramer <gues...@new.com> wrote:
> You are one seriously sick puppy, garbageguz.
And so are you, mate.
"You seem to think I am a backer of these Islamic monkeys. You
couldn't be further from the truth." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID:<e2hlgb$opo$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>
"Poofters should be fucked and burned." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID:
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"Women like you and the cohen cunt should be treated like
gongs. Given a bloody good whack from time to time, to keep
you in tune." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer", Message-ID:
<2JednRLNN48kYADY...@giganews.com>.
"Yids are lice laddie" -- Posted by "Ben Cramer", Message-ID
<dr8uf6$5vp$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
jgarbuz
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> ****Israel cannot survive for a day without the American TAX dollars. Jews
> are the biggest WELFARE recipient population of US government.*****
>
> How about the Arabs and the PLO the largest recipients of the welfare check
> after Israel? Just last month Bush stole from our pockets another 160
> millions to keep the Palestinian terrorists afloat. How many minutes the PLO
> gang would survive if not the US shielding it from Israelis and from their
> own gang rivals?<
Excellent. amen.
Ben Cramer
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Wouldn't be necessary if the hebes hadn't swiped Palestine.
Guess that missed you, huh?
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Ben Cramer
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> Sag arab boy,
> Did he hurt you?
> :-)
He hurts himself and the yid's cause, laddie.
Aviroce
free to think or say. The least I can say about you is that you are
thinking. May be you should be more objective.
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> In article <3NmdneuK2O7aEWnanZ2dnUVZ_tykn...@giganews.com>,
UN was under duress. They merely recognized what the United States of
America wanted to accept. By doing so, they recognized the rights and
privileges of the indigenous population of Palestine. In other words,
a political entity was created from nothing, but such an entity should
not extract or imprison or act racially against the indigenous
population of Palestine.
Aviroce
Palestinians to kill other Palestinians, i.e. traitors. These
traitors are the life and soul of Israel. Bush is bribing these
traitors.
Aviroce
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Aviroce
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Aviroce
no legal right or authority to make such statement. You merely can
say what is on your mind but you don not represent the American
people. You represent the exploiters of Americans, the Evil Jews/
Zionists who should be taken to task as they are exploiting American
blood and treasure for their interests.
On Apr 4, 1:30 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aviroce
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I am sitting on your chest so that you may suffocate. We need to
ditch Jews and the like of you out of the United States of America.
You represent Evil to America.
Gary Renzetti
> On Apr 4, 12:57 am, "Ben Cramer" <be...@home.com> wrote:
>> "RBRK" <Sar...@Irani.com> wrote in message
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>> news:Xns9A75EBAF03...@216.77.188.18...
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>>
>>
>>> Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote in news:9a23e$47f57038
>>> $d8fe9d92$7...@PRIMUS.CA:
>>>> jgarbuzwrote:
>>>>> On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
>>>>>> England,..You don't belong in Palestine. As for the League of
>>>>>> Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, <
>
> Just like the UN is a big center of antisemitism. The League had every
> right to do anything it wanted to with any territory conquered by the
> Allies during WWI.
listened to that, so why should they subscribe to them giving away
someone else's real estate?
>
>> they had no
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.<<
>
> Neither did the Arabs. They had no deeds, nor any mandate from the
> Quran. They just occupied Jewish soil as if it was part of Arabia.
> Islam is just a cover for Arab imperialism, and nothing more.
invasion. The vast majority of the population was Arab and they had
lived there for centuries.
>
>>>>>> No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered. <<<<
>
> Then why did they have so many children? How does a people multiply 20
> times in 80 years when it is so miserable? Does fucking and having 12
> kids per hamullah mitigate their misery?
>
>> Later
>>>>>> on, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims blame the United States of
>>>>>> America
>>>>>> who really put Israel on the map and still doing the same.<<<<
>
> JEws put Israel on the map by building up the country you shitty Arabs
> destroyed, and kicking the asses of every Arab army that tried to stop
> us.
the local population, and murdering thousands of innocents who were just
trying to live their lives in their homeland.
And will continue to do so until either the Arabs are stopped, or
> Islam is destroyed, which ever comes first.
>
> Take a
>>>>>> guess, at the time the Haganah, Stern, Lakheyim, Lakud<<
>
> What is Lakeyim? Or Lakud?
>
>>>> were
>>>>>> slaughtering women and children in Deir Yasein,<<<
>
> We are going to kill every Arab that tries to deny us our homeland,
> whether they be woman or children.
Well, murdering women and children seems to be what the heroic izzie
armed forces appear to do best. They seem to be a tad less efficient
when their opponents shoot back, like Hezbollah. I guess that's why they
now seem to concentrate on Gaza. It's much easier when their opponents
have at best AK-47's and stones.
The men are sissies and can't fight
> so they send their children and women to die for them.
Hezbollah are sissies? Then how were they to stop your "invincible"
merkavahs and your "crack" Golani Brigade? Were the Golanis ON crack?
>
>>>> the United States of
>>>>>> America had its naval Sixth Fleet in Cyprus, one bomber was sent to
>>>>>> Haifa, and a messenger ship was commuting between Haifa and Cyprus.
>>>>>> The United States of America, who refused the mandate as well as the
>>>>>> organization of the League of Nations under president Wilson, was
>>>>>> sheltering genocidal maniacs, atrocious savages, in short semites, in
>>>>>> their acts of genocide.<<<
>
> You and your history are as fucked as your English skills. Israel was
> built by Jews, not by America, and Jews kicked your Islamic ARab
> asses, and you should accept defeat just like GErmany and Japan
> finally did. If not we'll bomb Mecca, Medina, Qoms and every Arab
> capital into radioactive dust.
What do you mean by "we", Jake? Last time we heard you were in NYC.
>
>>>>>> Between you and me, Israel is a menace to the human race and should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> abolished. I was unsuccessful to prohibit Jews in the United States
>>>>>> of America when I filed against the Jewish judge to get out of my
>>>>>> case. The more damage Israel and Jews do to the American people, <<<
>
> The American people were doing JUST FINE until you Muzzies and other
> Turd World types started showing up here. Thanks to Jews, the US had
> Levy jeans, the atomic bomb first, a nuclear navy, the cell phone was
> developed by Jews, the polio vaccine, MGM Hollywood, and helped make a
> great country. And then, in '65, the fucking LIBERAL Jews went and
> fucked it all up, by changing the immigration laws to allow you
> disgusting TURD world humanoids to enter this golden land. ANd slowly,
> but now quickly, it's been downhill since. It wasn't the productive
> Jews, but the liberal "intellectuals" that allowed the zoo to flood
> into America, bringing it down to TURD WORLD standards, which is all
> human garbage like you can contribute. Terrrorism, antisemitism, and
> general unrest is all human crap like you can provide. Thankfully, the
> US is lucky because Israel will provide solar energy systems and may
> save America yet, provided the American people realize they must keep
> Islamic savages like you out. if not, America will continue to sink
> and turn into an Arabian desert, just like what you did to Israel over
> the centuries when you turned it into "Palestine." A shithole called
> "Palestine."
Jake, I'll ignore most of that last rant, but I will ask you one
question on the topic.
As another poster recently mentioned...can you produce just ONE map
published before the twentieth century that shows an "Israel®"? There
are PLENTY of such documents showing a PALESTINE.
Ball's in your court, Jake.
Aviroce
ship I am talking about. Such facts are hard to get unless you are an
eyewitness or researched secret documents of the Pentagon. But I
commend your patience for "splitting his argument into pieces."
Still, "Jews put their entity on the map by theft and terrorism of the
local population, and murdering thousands of innocents who were just
for hating Jews. I cannot see someone liking them.
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> My over thirty thousand articles posted testify to my status. You are
> free to think or say. The least I can say about you is that you are
> thinking. May be you should be more objective.
>
Gary Renzetti
> The history part came from an eyewitness, a neighbor who was on the
> ship I am talking about. Such facts are hard to get unless you are an
> eyewitness or researched secret documents of the Pentagon. But I
> commend your patience for "splitting his argument into pieces."
> Still, "Jews put their entity on the map by theft and terrorism of the
> local population, and murdering thousands of innocents who were just
> trying to live their lives in their homeland. " I don't blame people
> for hating Jews. I cannot see someone liking them.
>
born, and being born is certainly no crime. What that person does with
his life after that is a different story. The Black September crew,
Beider-Meinhoff, Manachim Begin, Muammar Qaddifi, Jim Jones, George
Habash, Pol Pot, Itzack Shamir, Baruch Goldstein, and Osama are no
different imo.
If you're a political terrorist, or a religious nut means sfa. If you
murder innocents for a "cause", you're dangerous vermin that needs
exterminating. The only difference that I make is that someone fighting
a guerrilla war to regain what was his, must use whatever weapons he has
available. A lack of uniforms or an air force, does not make a group a
"terrorist" army. Blowing up a Spanish train is a terrorist act. Blowing
up a bus stop outside an enemy army barracks is guerrilla warfare.
jgarbuz
> >> On Apr 3, 9:11 am, mud...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> >>> Israel cannot survive for a day without the American TAX dollars. Jews
>
> > Another Arab fairy tale the delusional Ayrabs are clinging to. Oh, if
> > only America would cut off the aid, we could march into Tel Aviv and
> > kill and loot the Jew bastards. Terror, oil and fairy tales. How
> > pathetic.
>
> >> That is one way to help defeat Israel.<
>
> > I hope the US cuts off aid to Israel. I pray for it. The US should
> > stop bribing ISrael from nuking the lot of you and wiping out your oil
> > fields too. But then gasoline prices might go as high as the one
> > Israelis are now paying, $6.28 a gallon, God forbid. Or, the Lord have
> > mercy, $8.00 a gallon as the French are
> > paying today! Do you know what that would mean??? Americans having to
> > live in small apartments just like Japanese, Europeans or Israelis?
> > Having to drive those little cars , or God forbid take the bus!?
> > That's worse than death! This is AMerica, for Chrissake!
>
> You're talking sense here, Jake. Is perhaps someone forging your posts?<
If you think I'm making sense, then either you didn't read my post
very carefully, or you've changed.
jgarbuz
> On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
> > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
> > > in your way.
>
> > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
> > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
> > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the place.
> > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
> Your idea is well noted.<
There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
Okay, you can buy computers with AMD chips inside instead. Israel's
"stuff" is many of the cut diamonds people buy to give their wives or
girlfriends. Israel's "stuff" is laser missile guidance systems now
used by many USAF F-16 pilots. Israel's "stuff" is 1 out of every 16
generic pills prescribed to patients in the US. Well, I suppose you
can try to boycott Israeli products, if you knew where they were, but
you won't find many things in Wal Mart with a "made in Israel" label
on it. Though some of your automobile parts may have been made in
Israel. Okay, you can boycott Jaffa oranges. That's fine.
Don't eat Matzahs baked in Israel. I suppose here and there you may
find some items that you can recognize as Made in Israel, but in fact,
most of the things made by Israel are in the hi tech field that you
probably have little or no knowing contact with.
GDP (2006 est.): $170.3 billion.
Annual growth rate (2006): 4.8%.
Per capita GDP (2006): $26,800.
Currency: Shekel (4.13 shekels = 1 U.S. dollar; 2007 est.).
Natural resources: Copper, phosphate, bromide, potash, clay, sand,
sulfur, bitumen, manganese.
Agriculture: Products--citrus and other fruits, vegetables, beef,
dairy, and poultry products.
Industry: Types--high-technology projects (including aviation,
communications, computer-aided design and manufactures, medical
electronics, fiber optics), wood and paper products, potash and
phosphates, food, beverages, tobacco, caustic soda, cement,
construction, plastics, chemical products, diamond cutting and
polishing, metal products, textiles, and footwear.
Trade: Exports (2006 est.)--$42.86 billion. Exports include polished
diamonds, electronic communication, medical and scientific equipment,
chemicals and chemical products, electronic components and computers,
machinery and equipment, transport equipment, rubber, plastics, and
textiles. Imports (excluding defense imports, 2006 est.)--$47.8
billion: raw materials, diamonds, energy ships and airplanes,
machinery, equipment, land transportation equipment for investment,
and consumer goods. Major partners--U.S., U.K., Germany; exports--
U.S., Belgium, Hong Kong; imports--U.S., Belgium, Germany,
Switzerland, U.K.
jgarbuz
> "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
>
> > <mud...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >news:02b7512b-5592-4447...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 2, 6:27 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ****Israel cannot survive for a day without the American TAX dollars. Jews
> > are the biggest WELFARE recipient population of US government.*****
>
> > How about the Arabs and the PLO the largest recipients of the welfare
> > check
> > after Israel? Just last month Bush stole from our pockets another 160
> > millions to keep the Palestinian terrorists afloat. How many minutes the
> > PLO
> > gang would survive if not the US shielding it from Israelis and from their
> > own gang rivals?
>
> Wouldn't be necessary if the hebes hadn't swiped Palestine.
> Guess that missed you, huh?<
Maybe the Abos would have been happier if you criminals hadn't swiped
Aboland. But what'd done is done.
Eli Grubman
wrote:
>On Apr 3, 5:38 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
>> > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
>> > > in your way.
>>
>> > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
>> > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
>> > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the place.
>> > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
>> > "isr-el®".-
>> Your idea is well noted.<
>
>There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
>the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
>Okay, you can buy computers with AMD chips inside instead. Israel's
>"stuff" is many of the cut diamonds people buy to give their wives or
>girlfriends.
Where do these diamonds come from and what's involved in getting them?
Eli
What Holocaust?
On Apr 3, 5:38 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
> > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
> > > in your way.
>
> > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
> > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
> > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the
> > place.
> > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
> > "isr-el®".-
> Your idea is well noted.<
There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
Not so much now, garbageguz. The old Pentium which turned out to be more
room heaters than CPUs has ceased and the new dual/quad core CPUs are not
being made in Ersats israel any more.
Okay, you can buy computers with AMD chips inside instead. Israel's
"stuff" is many of the cut diamonds people buy to give their wives or
girlfriends. Israel's "stuff" is laser missile guidance systems now
used by many USAF F-16 pilots.
Technology they swiped from the US and then promptly sold to China.
About the only thing they export at the moment which could cause a slight
problem if export ceased, are high capacity batteris. Bugger all else.
What Holocaust?
We were just keeping up with what the Americas did, laddie. A hundred years
later, I might add.
>
Tall Henry
Ben Cramer <be...@home.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't be necessary if the hebes hadn't swiped Palestine.
They did not. A UN vote gave them the country,
RJ11
Ben Cramer <be...@home.com> wrote:
(content free one-liner snipped)
"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID: <dv0e2v$l5a$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>.
RJ.
Gary Renzetti
Jake. The crap about izzie invincibility is precisely that. Crap.
Gary Renzetti
Apartheid South Africa was mostly a resource-based economy, some of
which are scarce or unobtainable elsewhere. Chrome, manganese, gold,
copper, diamonds. These are hardly consumer goods either. Ok, wine,
oranges and military hardware also come to mind, but sanctions
eventually brought that beast to heel.
Ersatz "isr-el®" can be taken down by similar means. It's a rogue state
that needs taming.
Gary Renzetti
American a "coon" or a Jew a "kike". Iow, it says far more about the
person using the term than the person spoken about.
jgarbuz
> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c3b0026c-6318-4a8f...@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 3, 5:38 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
> > > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
> > > > in your way.
>
> > > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
> > > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
> > > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the
> > > place.
> > > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
> > Your idea is well noted.<
>
> There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
> the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
>
> Not so much now, garbageguz. The old Pentium which turned out to be more
> room heaters than CPUs has ceased and the new dual/quad core CPUs are not
> being made in Ersats israel any more.<
Oh, so Intel is just throwing its latest $4.4 B investment away, eh?
...........................................................................
Intel announces Fab 28 in Israel
By Jon Stokes | Published: December 02, 2005 - 06:58PM CT
Post by Joshua Galili
In a press conference held Thursday in Tel-Aviv, Israel, Intel
officially announced the establishment of Fab 28. The new chip
manufacturing plant will be located near Kiryat Gat, adjacent to Fab
18, and will utilize a 45nm process for producing chips on 300mm
silicon wafers.
Intel has reportedly invested $4.42 billion in the new fab--the
largest investment of its kind both for Intel and for Israel. Fab 28
will employ 4,400 new workers (including some 2,000 contracted
positions), in addition to the 5,500 Israeli workers Intel already
employs in the region.
The new fab will be the second 45nm plant after the Arizona based Fab
32, announced July 2005. Intel will use the "Copy Exact" methodology
to make it an exact clone of its Portland, Oragon based fab. General
Manager of Israel Operations, VP Alex Kornhauser, said Fab 28 is
scheduled to be fully operational 3 to 6 months after Fab 32 - around
mid 2008.
Dadi Perlmutter, VP and general manager of the Mobile Microprocessor
Group, who was also present at the press conference, revealed that
Intel already has some CPU designs not only for the 45nm lithography
but also for the 32nm process that will follow. Theoretically, Fab 28
will also be able to transition to the 32nm process when it becomes
available.
Perlmutter also added that the new plant will be used for
manufacturing the most advanced microprocessor Intel will have at the
time. He was not willing to say where the 45nm and 32nm processes will
be developed, but only that "one of the two will be developed in
Israel".
Intel's announcement follows a decision of the Israeli Ministry of
Industry, Trade & Labor, to approve a government grant of $525 million
for the plant. Another $660 million, invested in upgrading of Fab 18
to fit for 90nm process production (with theoretical 65nm
capabilities), will also be awarded in the form of tax benefits.
Negotiations between Israel and Intel regarding the grant began in
2001, and hit what seemed like a dead-end several times. Naturally,
the idea of giving such a grant to the chip giant, whose annual income
is about one third of Israel's GNP, was strongly criticized. Several
local economists and politicians said there could be better ways to
spend such a huge sum.
The governments' final decision was influenced by the recent findings
of a study carried out by IDB (the Industrial Development Bank of
Israel). According to the study, Intel's investment in the plant would
contribute some $450 million to Israel's economy, with $367 million
coming from tax incomes alone.
AMD to follow?
Last week in another press conference held in Tel-Aviv, local
journalists addressed some questions to Alberto Macchi, AMD's
corporate vice president, Sales and Marketing, EMEA.
According to Macchi's presentation, AMD has tripled its local market
share in Q3, year over year, to 13.4%. However, the Israeli market is
rather small, so Macchi was asked, why sell microprocessors in Israel
when you can develop them here like Intel does? Macchi replied that
this was indeed one of the reasons for his visit. "AMD considers
Israel as a center of knowledge and innovation, and we do consider
making a strategic investment here". This might not happen tomorrow,
he added, but it will happen eventually.
.......................................................................................................................
>
> Okay, you can buy computers with AMD chips inside instead. Israel's
> "stuff" is many of the cut diamonds people buy to give their wives or
> girlfriends. Israel's "stuff" is laser missile guidance systems now
> used by many USAF F-16 pilots.
>
> Technology they swiped from the US and then promptly sold to China.<
acts about the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the
world's population.
# Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population
in the world.
# When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli
rescue teams were on the scene within a day - and saved three victims
from the rubble.
# Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship - and the
highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
# Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-
absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy,
religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
# Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly
process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as
"conflict free."
# Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
# Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st
century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable
because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
# Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
# Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians
in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U.S.,
over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its
work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in
this category as well.
# Israel has the highest per capita ratio of scientific publications
in the world by a large margin, as well as one of the highest per
capita rates of patents filed.
# In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of
startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the
largest number of startup companies than any other country in the
world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).
# Israel is ranked #2 in the world for VC funds right behind the US.
# Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per
capita.
# Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number
of NASDAQ listed companies
# Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
The per capita income in 2000 is over $17,500, exceeding that of the
UK.
# With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and start-ups, Israel has
the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart
from the Silicon Valley).
# With an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s, Israel has the largest
fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.
# The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola-Israel. Motorola
built its largest development center worldwide in Israel.
# Windows NT software was developed by Microsoft-Israel.
# The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
# Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
# AOL's instant message program was designed by an Israeli software
company.
# Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the
US in Israel
# The city of Beer Sheva in Israel has the highest percentage in the
world of Chess Grand Masters per capita - one for every 22,875
residents.
# On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech
start-ups
# Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees
-- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States
and Holland -- and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.
> About the only thing they export at the moment which could cause a slight
> problem if export ceased, are high capacity batteris. Bugger all else.<
Yeah, I see how advanced Australia's exports are from their list. Real
fucking hi-tecj :):
Live Animals; Animal Products 144
Plants & Vegetable Products 102
Animal or Vegetable Fats, Oils and Waxes, Prepared Edible Fats 64
Prepared Foodstuffs; Beverages, Spirits; Tobacco Products 412
Mineral Products 10
Chemicals & Chemical Products 172
Plastics & Rubber 3
Raw Hides & Skins, Leather Products; Saddlery & Harness 2
Wood and Wood Products; Wood Charcoal, etc. 2
Pulp of Wood; Paper, Paperboard & Printed Products 5
Textiles & Textile Products 14
Footwear, Headgear, Umbrellas, etc. 0
Prepared Feathers, etc.; Artificial Flowers; Articles of Human Hair
0
Articles of Stone, Plaster, Cement, Asbestos, Mica, etc. 1
Ceramic Products; Glass & Glassware 0
Pearls, Precious or Semiprecious Stones 0
Precious Metals, Metals Clads, etc.; Jewellery; Coin 0
Base Metals & Base Metal Products 8
Machinery; Mechanical & Electrical Equipment; Electronics; Parts
16
Vehicles, Aircraft, Vessels & Transport Equipment 10
Optical, Photographic, Measuring, Medical or Surgical Instruments
0
Clocks & Watches; Musical Equipment; Parts & Acceessories 0
Arms & Ammunition; Parts & Accessories 0
Miscellaneous Manufactured Articles 0
Works of Art, Collectors Pieces & Antiques 0
Other Headings
jgarbuz
> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
You mean keeping up with your kinsmen who went to take over the
Americas? The problem is that your branch of dregs was in the prisons
too long, so they shipped them off later east instead of west.
jgarbuz
Oh, I see. I never spoke of Israeli invincibility. I speak of Israel
hitting the enemy first not to take any chances. If ISrael were
invincible, like the US is, then I might think Israel could absorb a
first strike too and survive to strike back.
As for American overconsumption, when I got off the plane coming back
from Israel, a friend who had picked me up in his SUV drove us through
suburbs where I noticed just how large and cavernous many of the new
homes had become since I had left nearly a decade earlier. And the
first thought that came to mind as I rode by, was that each one of
those oversized homes and oversized cars is a NAIL in the coffin of
America.It's been nearly two decades since then, and frankly I am
amazed that this crisis has taken so long to arrive. How can you waste
2 to 10 times more energy than your world competitors and still expect
to retain a strong dollar and economy? And so, when China and INdia
really arrived on the scene as major producers, our number was finally
up. It's that simple. You can't run a business, or a country so
wastefully and not expect a day of reckoning, The credit can only
extend so far, until the creditors can no longer cut you any more
slack. So you either have to cut back, get slim and trim, or face a
horrible future. That's the choice America has to make, and to stop
blaming the world for one's own greed and wastefulness. Waste not,
want not. In my day, mothers used to say that to their kids. Americans
seemed to have forgotten it, and will now pay a big price for doing
so.
Tall Henry
Gary Renzetti <liz...@connection.com> wrote:
> Careful with the term "Abo" Jake. It's the equivalent of calling a black
> American a "coon" or a Jew a "kike". Iow, it says far more about the
> person using the term than the person spoken about.
Tell that to "Cramer", you hypocritical piece of shit.
jgarbuz
First of all, SOuth Africa was 20% white and 80% black, with the
latter having no vote at all. In Israel/Palestine, Jews are still the
majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan river. And Israeli
Arabs have had the vote since day one, and the Arabs of the PA can
vote for their own <sic> "leadership." The South African political
system was unsustainable. As for the sanctions "bringing down" SA, it
was Jewish liberals in Jo burg and in New York who really started the
political pressure that lead to the sanctions. But it really wasn't
so much the sanctions that forced the regime to capitulate, but
realization that the system was simply immoral and unsustainable even
by many white South Africans themselves. If a regime is strong enough
and BRUTAL enough, such as that of North Korea, to cite an extreme
example, or even Saddam's regime as another, such that it is willing
to see a large proportion of its people reduced to malnutrition and
starvation if necessary, as long as the military remains strong and
loyal, it is amazing how long a country can hold out. Saddam had to
be brought down by a superpower, and even that would have not been
probable if Saddam had nukes.
In the case of Israel, I was quite amazed even the early 1970s how
much Israel had prepared itself against a total blockade and universal
boycotts, if required. Indigenous food supplies. A nuclear capability.
Bunkers in every house. A pretty self-reliant military industrial
capability in most items, even planes if it has to come to that. As
for petroleum, Israelis can put their cars on blocks and there is a
quite adequate system of busses. Even bicycles could take many
Israelis to their jobs. It is a small country. Solar heating is
ubiquitous, and Israel is a leader in that technology. It also has
shale deposits, that while not enormous, is sufficient to extract for
its minimal needs for quite a while. It has its own refineries.
Overall, Israel is quite prepared for a long siege if it comes to
that.
The Cramer Lad
> On Apr 4, 11:02 pm, "What Holocaust?" <w...@ppened.com> wrote:
>> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c3b0026c-6318-4a8f...@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 3, 5:38 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
>> > > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't
>> > > > stand
>> > > > in your way.
>>
>> > > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
>> > > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't
>> > > allow
>> > > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the
>> > > place.
>> > > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
>> > > "isr-el(R)".-
>> > Your idea is well noted.<
>>
>> There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
>> the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
>>
>> Not so much now, garbageguz. The old Pentium which turned out to be more
>> room heaters than CPUs has ceased and the new dual/quad core CPUs are not
>> being made in Ersats israel any more.<
>
> Oh, so Intel is just throwing its latest $4.4 B investment away, eh?
Get some later news, stupid.
The Cramer Lad
Nope. No convict stock in my family, sunschein.
>The problem is that your branch of dregs was in the prisons
> too long, so they shipped them off later east instead of west.
Nope. No convict stock in my family, sunschein. But don't let that stop you
from ignoring the shite that happened in the Americas.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 4, 1:16 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:99f9b5bf-10ca-4a5c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> **** These Zionist/Jewish deceivers have been exploiting American blood
> and
> treasure. Time to wake up America and its legal system to deal with
> them.******
>
> Absolutely. It's time to wake up and to expell all Muslims from America.
> You
> are the first on the list.
****I am sitting on your chest so that you may suffocate. *****
You are sitting on my chest while we have dhimmi scum sitting in the White
House and Congress. When we kick them out one day from there (this day sure
will come) , you will be sitting on your beloved camel. Your place is
there, Muslim punk.
*****We need to
ditch Jews and the like of you out of the United States of America.
You represent Evil to America.****
You can say that once you in the Arabian desert amongst other jihadist
sand fleas . But so far just shut up as no one elected you to decide who you
got
to "ditch" . And keep in your Muslim mind that you are the best candidate
for deportation, not for decision making.
staten
****I disagree. Other people can see.***
Who the fuck cares whether you agree or disagree. It's time to roll up
sleeves and get to the business to be done. Palis animals got to be in
cages. No excuses.
On Apr 4, 1:45 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2dbf1260-3a9c-4cbc...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> ****Palestinians are the most resiliant people on planet earth. They are
> indeed the survivalists. They will never stop. I have seen the
> results.****
>
> Yeah , the results are astonishing. Now Palestinians murder each other
> with
> resilience of maniacs.
>
> ****I started my posts/messages after 1967 when Jews made Arabs look like
> nothing. In 1973, I declared "Palestine and the Palestinians are
> indestructible." Ever since look what has happened. ****
>
> Nothing. Israelis just stopped fighting. When Israelis will start fighting
> again, all Palestinians will be back in their cages where they belong to.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1cc0dfd-7633-41ae...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
*****Total boycott of Israel by Arabs was the most effective weapon. But
some Arab, agents of the United States of America, have broken such a
boycott. One major Arab country is Egypt. Another, which has been
the most betraying Arab country of Palestinian cause, is Jordan which
was organized just to dilute Palestinian aspirations towards their
real homeland.*****
"Arab boycott" , that's laughable . Israel doesn't care whether Arabs
boycott it or not. They boycott Israel for 60 years , and so what? Israel
survives in their murderous midst, vibrant, prosperous, democratic,
attracting tourists and selling high-tech technology even during its
hardest times, while Arabs, in spite of mountains of cash from oil , remain
essentially the same savage tribesmen they were many centuries ago.
****** As an American, I
do not hire a Jew nor buy anything knowingly from a Jew or Jewish
business. When I need an attorney, I always request a non-Jewish
attorney; yet I find them on the opposite side especially when I sue
State Farm Life Insurance Company.*******
You are not an American. You are a hateful, treacherous Muslim rat hiding in
America. All Muslim rats like you got to be herded up and deported. I
believe this time will come some day. Just ask Japanese . They still
remember our resolve. Just couple of more grand terrorist deadly pranks,
kind of JFK plot, your pals working on 24/7 without vacations , and chances
of meeting of your beloved camel in Arabia will be very high. And there
you can continue with your requesting till you drop dead.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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*****Bush is helping Israel, Zionists and Jews by giving bread crumbs to
Palestinians to kill other Palestinians, i.e. traitors. These
traitors are the life and soul of Israel. Bush is bribing these
traitors.*****
Bribing terrorists for whatever reason is insanity. Palestinian are
animals. Not money, but cages and whips they badly need. Russia or China
would
reduce Palestine to dust long time ago.
Bush stop stealing our money! Jews stop waging excuse-me wars! Start
fighting for the heaven sake!
On Apr 4, 1:48 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> <mud...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:02b7512b-5592-4447...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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****USA belongs to the American people and not to the Jews. ******
Jews don't own America. Jews even don't own Israel today. They keep giving
up piece by peice of their tyny state to the vicious barbarians who want to
destroy all of Jews . This is a highest degree of absurdity ever known to
humanity that a victor would stand on his knees before losers asking the
losers to forgive him because he won the war.
***** And you have
no legal right or authority to make such statement. ****
Yes I do. WE elect those who are responsible and accountable to us , not
vice versa. Muslims are a scourge and a curse for any land, for any country
where they infest them with their presence. . We have all rights to demand
from our elected politicians to stop Muslims immigration and
to demand deporting all Muslims who are , involved in terrorism, helping
Jihadists financially or morally , spewing hate or promoting barbaric
Sharia. If Europe has started this process, why can't we?
*****You merely can
say what is on your mind but you don not represent the American
people. ****
You don't represent American people, Muslim scum . You and your Muslim
buddies represent just time bombs. Literally. Because it's absolutely
obvious
that after shooting our people in our Malls , after running down our people
by SUVs on our streets, after plotting to blow up our busiest airports and
to murder our soldiers, you Muslim rats still keep scheming, plotting, give
moral and financial aid to our worst enemies and to spread hatred against
America. You got to be deported. There is no other alternatives.
****You represent the exploiters of Americans, the Evil Jews/
Zionists who should be taken to task as they are exploiting American
blood and treasure for their interests.*****
I don't represent any Jews , idiot. To me , liberal Jews who side with
Jihadists and other 3rd world garbage for the sake of reducing hatred
directed against them look no less repulsive and pernicious than many other
internal and external enemies of my country. No excuses.
On Apr 4, 1:30 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f3ad9ba8-0e4e-434a...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> *****Your homes are in Germany, Austria, Argentina, USA, Russia,
> England,.*****
>
> Your home is Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt. What are you
> doing
> in the West ? Why are you keep coming to the West in droves with all your
> wives, children, imams, Korans and Sharia? Why you keep flooding the West
> if
> you so much hate it?
>
> *****.You don't belong in Palestine. As for the League of
> Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, they had no right
> to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.****
>
> You don't belong to the West. Your home is Arabia . You have no rights to
> force down your throats your Sharia , but you still do. Why are you such
> nasty intruders? Why are you fighting (slaughtering people who have
> absolutely nothing in common with Palestinians) thousands and thousands
> miles away from Palestine , you hypocritical goatfuckers?
staten
"jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:c41f4605-5512-4b74...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
American oil voraciousness is not a problem. America could afford it
because America is sitting on huge reserves of known and unknown oil
fields. Last year the Bakken Oil Formation, thanks to new technology,
discovered a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field in North that could
potentially make America Energy Independent.
There are known and unknown vast reserves of oil off the coast of New
Jersey and, of course, we know that such reserves exist off the coasts of
California and Florida. There are huge oil reserve in ANWAR. In 2006 the
Senate Energy Committee held hearings on the vast reserves of oil found in
tar sands and oil shale located in eastern Utah, western Colorado, and
southern Wyoming. America has more oil than the entire Mid East. Our
reserves of coal are so vast as to meet our needs for centuries to come and
there are processes that can transform coal into gasoline. We are blessed
with energy sources but we are cursed with politicians who deny
authorization to access to known reserves of oil and coal .
The other problem is refineries . In 1981, there were 321 refineries
producing 18.6 million barrels. Today, only 149 refineries produce 16.8
million barrels of gasoline. How we suppose to satisfy our growing economy
with less and less refineries?
So the bottom line is, not our "waste" or "greed" causing the problem but
our volunteer slipping into an almost total dependency on foreign oil
which has reached a point of absurdity. It is totally irrational to ban
access to known reserves of energy in our country. It is totally
irrational to reduce the building of facilities to extract and refine it.
It is
totally irrational not to build nuclear energy facilities. It is totally
irrational but it is happening here. It's not getting better but worse.
$112 per barrel is not a limit. OPEC's greed grows faster than our demand
for oil. We could avoid Arab oil blackmail , but we continue helping them to
blackmail us. But for how long? Till $200 per barrel? Till $350? Or till
the total collapse of our and then consequential collapse of world economic
systems?
Aviroce
running out. When they capture you and come to cut your head off and
hang your body on a tree as a scarecrow, please ask them for one
minute to write me a note that your time has expired and you will be
going to Hell.
On Apr 5, 6:20 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:6e348505-fb8b-466d...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> ****I disagree. Other people can see.***
>
> Who the fuck cares whether you agree or disagree. It's time to roll up
> sleeves and get to the business to be done. Palis animals got to be in
> cages. No excuses.
>
> On Apr 4, 1:45 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2dbf1260-3a9c-4cbc...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > ****Palestinians are the most resiliant people on planet earth. They are
> > indeed the survivalists. They will never stop. I have seen the
> > results.****
>
> > Yeah , the results are astonishing. Now Palestinians murder each other
> > with
> > resilience of maniacs.
>
> > ****I started my posts/messages after 1967 when Jews made Arabs look like
> > nothing. In 1973, I declared "Palestine and the Palestinians are
> > indestructible." Ever since look what has happened. ****
>
> > Nothing. Israelis just stopped fighting. When Israelis will start fighting
> > again, all Palestinians will be back in their cages where they belong to.- Hide quoted text -
The Cramer Lad
>
> "Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6e348505-fb8b-466d...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> ****I disagree. Other people can see.***
>
>
>
> Who the fuck cares whether you agree or disagree. It's time to roll up
> sleeves and get to the business to be done. Palis animals got to be in
> cages. No excuses.
OK. So that would benefit the ME.
Why not spend the same amount of energy and lock away every hebe in the
world? The entire world would benefit.
Just a thought.
The Cramer Lad
>
>
> "Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c1cc0dfd-7633-41ae...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> *****Total boycott of Israel by Arabs was the most effective weapon. But
> some Arab, agents of the United States of America, have broken such a
> boycott. One major Arab country is Egypt. Another, which has been
> the most betraying Arab country of Palestinian cause, is Jordan which
> was organized just to dilute Palestinian aspirations towards their
> real homeland.*****
>
>
> "Arab boycott" , that's laughable . Israel doesn't care whether Arabs
> boycott it or not.
Yes they would. If the Arabs withdrew their labour, the hebes would be
fucked.
The Cramer Lad
>
>
> "Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a1131d92-2540-4701...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 1:16 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:99f9b5bf-10ca-4a5c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> **** These Zionist/Jewish deceivers have been exploiting American blood
>> and
>> treasure. Time to wake up America and its legal system to deal with
>> them.******
>>
>> Absolutely. It's time to wake up and to expell all Muslims from America.
>> You
>> are the first on the list.
>
> ****I am sitting on your chest so that you may suffocate. *****
>
>
> You are sitting on my chest while we have dhimmi scum sitting in the
> White
> House and Congress.
Nope. That's yid scum, statenstein. Don't you keep up?
The Cramer Lad
>
>
>
> "Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7a5c999a-4c33-4aac...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> ****USA belongs to the American people and not to the Jews. ******
>
> Jews don't own America.
Really? What gives you that strange idea?
Aviroce
American in the process of expatriation legally. You should reveal
yourself to the legal system and they will eventually disown you and
throw you away.
You are not an American. You are a hateful, treacherous Muslim
rat(((((Don't compare me to you, and to your mother and father. You
are the kind of rat that lives in the sesspool. It has an affinity
for filth and diseases.)))))))hiding in
America.((((((You bastard. You are hiding among us. We don't want
you. We do not like Jews and Jewish lovers. They are people of
filth. Get out of the United States of America. Go live in Germany
or Austria, or Denmark or Holland.))))) All Muslim rats like you got
to be herded up and deported.(((((We don't want you or the kind of
animal you are. My neighbor has a pit bull dog. I am sure the dog
would like to have a job on you. Tell me which part to expose for the
pit bull? I like to have you male organ exposed so the dog can bite
off first. Then to go for your neck.)))))) I
believe this time will come some day((((Your people's time is coming.
Americans know what Jews have been doing to them. Many hate them
except for fear of the law they merely deal with such hateful
people.)))))))) Just ask Japanese . ((((((America regretted what they
did to the Japanese and an act of Congress conmpensated them along
with Congressional Apology, You Sewer Rat. You should be thankful to
the Japanese because that is the only reason that keeps us, Americans,
from dumping Jews with their child molestation ideology.))))))They
still
remember our resolve. ((((((Are you telling me America acted to harm
Japanese because them Jews directed it to do so. You damned bastard.
You need to be burnt in Hell.))))))Just couple of more grand
terrorist deadly pranks,
kind of JFK plot, your pals working on 24/7 without vacations , and
chances
of meeting of your beloved camel in Arabia will be very high(((((You
are so absorbed with camels. Is your mother a camel? Are you a cross-
species? Are you the kind of animal crossed between a donkey and a
horse? You must be a mule.)))))) And there you can continue with
your requesting till you drop dead. (((((I am going to sit on your
chest until you suffocate. Minus one particle of Evil.)))))
In summary, Go To Hell. Fire is the ultimate cleanser.
On Apr 5, 8:21 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aviroce
end.
By writing about something allegedly made in Israel or by Jews, you
are over-inflating your people. You are like a bitch who gets it and
thinks she is winning. Keep dreaming and boasting.
On Apr 5, 1:06 am, jgarbuz <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 5:38 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 8:19 pm, Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote:
> > > > What can I tell you? If you can defeat ISrael, go do so. I won't stand
> > > > in your way.
>
> > > The way to defeat the Zionists is to boycott them, NOT militarily.>
> > > Don't buy their stuff, don't sell to them (especially oil), don't allow
> > > people with izzie passports into your country, and don't visit the place.
> > > Worked for Apartheid South Africa, should work for Apartheid ersatz
> > > "isr-el®".-
> > Your idea is well noted.<
>
> There is no way "you" cannot buy Israel's "stuff." Israel's 'stuff" is
> the design of many of Intel's microprocessors inside your computers.
> Okay, you can buy computers with AMD chips inside instead. Israel's
> "stuff" is many of the cut diamonds people buy to give their wives or
> girlfriends. Israel's "stuff" is laser missile guidance systems now
> used by many USAF F-16 pilots. Israel's "stuff" is 1 out of every 16
> generic pills prescribed to patients in the US. Well, I suppose you
> can try to boycott Israeli products, if you knew where they were, but
> you won't find many things in Wal Mart with a "made in Israel" label
> on it. Though some of your automobile parts may have been made in
> Israel. Okay, you can boycott Jaffa oranges. That's fine.
> Don't eat Matzahs baked in Israel. I suppose here and there you may
> find some items that you can recognize as Made in Israel, but in fact,
> most of the things made by Israel are in the hi tech field that you
> probably have little or no knowing contact with.
>
Aviroce
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are saying Israeli Apartheid is moral??
Aviroce
> Aviroce wrote:
> > The history part came from an eyewitness, a neighbor who was on the
> > ship I am talking about. Such facts are hard to get unless you are an
> > eyewitness or researched secret documents of the Pentagon. But I
> > commend your patience for "splitting his argument into pieces."
> > Still, "Jews put their entity on the map by theft and terrorism of the
> > local population, and murdering thousands of innocents who were just
> > trying to live their lives in their homeland. " I don't blame people
> > for hating Jews. I cannot see someone liking them.
>
> I have no hatred for Jews or anyone else. A person can't help what he's
> born, and being born is certainly no crime. What that person does with
> his life after that is a different story. The Black September crew,
> Beider-Meinhoff, Manachim Begin, Muammar Qaddifi, Jim Jones, George
> Habash, Pol Pot, Itzack Shamir, Baruch Goldstein, and Osama are no
> different imo.
>
> If you're a political terrorist, or a religious nut means sfa. If you
> murder innocents for a "cause", you're dangerous vermin that needs
> exterminating. The only difference that I make is that someone fighting
> a guerrilla war to regain what was his, must use whatever weapons he has
> available. A lack of uniforms or an air force, does not make a group a
> "terrorist" army. Blowing up a Spanish train is a terrorist act. Blowing
> up a bus stop outside an enemy army barracks is guerrilla warfare.> >>> On Apr 4, 12:57 am, "Ben Cramer" <be...@home.com> wrote:
> >>>> "RBRK" <Sar...@Irani.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:Xns9A75EBAF03...@216.77.188.18...
> >>>>> Gary Renzetti <lizg...@connection.com> wrote in news:9a23e$47f57038
> >>>>> $d8fe9d92$7...@PRIMUS.CA:
> >>>>>> jgarbuzwrote:
> >>>>>>>> Nations, a big name for colonialism and imperialism, <
> >>> right to do anything it wanted to with any territory conquered by the
> >>> Allies during WWI.
> >> Oh really? If memory serves, the LoN also "outlawed" war. Nobody
> >> listened to that, so why should they subscribe to them giving away
> >> someone else's real estate?
>
> >>>> they had no
> >>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>> to sell Palestine to the Jews. They did not own it.<<
> >>> Quran. They just occupied Jewish soil as if it was part of Arabia.
> >>> Islam is just a cover for Arab imperialism, and nothing more.
> >> Bullshit. There were precious few Jews in Palestine prior to the zionist
> >> invasion. The vast majority of the population was Arab and they had
> >> lived there for centuries.
>
> >>>>>>>> No wonder Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims hold England and Germany
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> France responsible for the misery Palestinians have suffered. <<<<
> >>> Then why did they have so many children? How does a people multiply 20
> >>> times in 80 years when it is so miserable? Does fucking and having 12
> >>> kids per hamullah mitigate their misery?
> >>>> Later
> >>>>>>>> on, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims blame the United States of
> >>>>>>>> America
> >>>>>>>> who really put Israel on the map and still doing the same.<<<<
> >>> JEws put Israel on the map by building up the country you shitty Arabs
> >>> destroyed, and kicking the asses of every Arab army that tried to stop
> >>> us.
> >> Not quite. Jews put their entity on the map by theft and terrorism of
> >> the local population, and murdering thousands of innocents who were just
> >> trying to live their lives in their homeland.
>
> >> And will continue to do so until either the Arabs are stopped, or> Islam is destroyed, which ever comes first.
>
> >>> Take a
> >>>>>>>> guess, at the time the Haganah, Stern, Lakheyim, Lakud<<
> >>> What is Lakeyim? Or Lakud?
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>> slaughtering women and children in Deir Yasein,<<<
> >>> We are going to kill every Arab that tries to deny us our homeland,
> >>> whether they be woman or children.
> >> Well, murdering women and children seems to be what the heroic izzie
> >> armed forces appear to do best. They seem to be a tad less efficient
> >> when their opponents shoot back, like Hezbollah. I guess that's why they
> >> now seem to concentrate on Gaza. It's much easier when their opponents
> >> have at best AK-47's and stones.
>
> >> The men are sissies and can't fight> so they send their children and women to die for them.
>
> >> Hezbollah are sissies? Then how were they to stop your "invincible"
> >> merkavahs and your "crack" Golani Brigade? Were the Golanis ON crack?
>
> >>>>>> the United States of
> >>>>>>>> America had its naval Sixth Fleet in Cyprus, one bomber was sent to
> >>>>>>>> Haifa, and a messenger ship was commuting between Haifa and Cyprus.
> >>>>>>>> The United States of America, who refused the mandate as well as the
> >>>>>>>> organization of the League of Nations under president Wilson, was
> >>>>>>>> sheltering genocidal maniacs, atrocious savages, in short semites, in
> >>>>>>>> their acts of genocide.<<<
> >>> You and your history are as fucked as your English skills. Israel was
> >>> built by Jews, not by America, and Jews kicked your Islamic ARab
> >>> asses, and you should accept defeat just like GErmany and Japan
> >>> finally did. If not we'll bomb Mecca, Medina, Qoms and every Arab
> >>> capital into radioactive dust.
> >> What do you mean by "we", Jake? Last time we heard you were in NYC.
>
> >>>>>>>> Between you and me, Israel is a menace to the human race and should
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> abolished. I was unsuccessful to prohibit Jews in the United States
> >>>>>>>> of America when I filed against the Jewish judge to get out of my
> >>>>>>>> case. The more damage Israel and Jews do to the American people, <<<
> >>> The American people were doing JUST FINE until you Muzzies and other
> >>> Turd World types started showing up here. Thanks to Jews, the US had
> >>> Levy jeans, the atomic bomb first, a nuclear navy, the cell phone was
> >>> developed by Jews, the polio vaccine, MGM Hollywood, and helped make a
> >>> great country. And then, in '65, the fucking LIBERAL Jews went and
> >>> fucked it all up, by changing the immigration laws to allow you
> >>> disgusting TURD world humanoids to enter this golden land. ANd slowly,
> >>> but now quickly, it's been downhill since. It wasn't the productive
> >>> Jews, but the liberal "intellectuals" that allowed the zoo to flood
> >>> into America, bringing it down to TURD WORLD standards, which is all
> >>> human garbage like you can contribute. Terrrorism, antisemitism, and
> >>> general unrest is all human crap like you can provide. Thankfully, the
> >>> US is lucky because Israel will provide solar energy systems and may
> >>> save America yet, provided the American people realize they must keep
> >>> Islamic savages like you out. if not, America will continue to sink
> >>> and turn into an Arabian desert, just like what you did to Israel over
> >>> the centuries when you turned it into "Palestine." A shithole called
> >>> "Palestine."
> >> Jake, I'll ignore most of that last rant, but I will ask you one
> >> question on the topic.
> >> As another poster recently mentioned...can you produce just ONE map
> >> published before the twentieth century that shows an "Israel®"? There
> >> are PLENTY of such documents showing a PALESTINE.
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When a group of people by plan and design dispossesses and
expropriates a victim's land and resources, it is a matter of survival
that the victim uses whatever it has at its disposal and within its
means to fight back. Looking at the Zionist/Jewish movement, anything
done against these people is game and should be done. I celebrate
suicide bombers when they penetrate these Jewish defenses and blow
them up. It is not only the ultimate sacrifice, it is an act of
courage, desperation, retaliation, with intention to defend his people
against Jewish Apartheid, Atrocities and Savagery. May Allah Bless
These Brave Suicide Bombers.
Aviroce
to identify Jews as exploiters of the American society and deceivers
of Americans and that these Jews belong nowhere and should be dumped
in the ocean.
> > miles away from Palestine , you hypocritical goatfuckers?- Hide quoted text -
Gary Renzetti
anyone really give a flying fuck what you think?
The Cramer Lad
"Gary Renzetti" <liz...@connection.com> wrote in message
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>> Gary Renzetti <liz...@connection.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Careful with the term "Abo" Jake. It's the equivalent of calling a black
>>> American a "coon" or a Jew a "kike". Iow, it says far more about the
>>> person using the term than the person spoken about.
>>
>> Tell that to "Cramer", you hypocritical piece of shit.
> Jackoff, You are free to hate anyone you want including Ben. But does
> anyone really give a flying fuck what you think?
I've never used the word Abo to describe the Aborigines in my life. I've
spent decades working with and for them. They are far more honourable people
than these stinky yids.
>
L Alpert
> Aviroce wrote:
>> My over thirty thousand articles posted testify to my status. You
>> are free to think or say. The least I can say about you is that
>> you are thinking. May be you should be more objective.
>>
> Please don't feed the troll.
Then maybe you should post your diet.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 4, 1:13 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:3cd24a48-b144-4272...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> ****Let us wait and see. I bet Israeli colony will be destroyed.
>>> Mathematically speaking, that is a certainty.***
>>>
>>> It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is
>>> always dull. H. L. Mencken
>>>
>>> You are dull, Muslim Aviroce.
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 10:59 am, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "jgarbuz" <jgar...@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5fbc9161-eb4c-43f3...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Apr 1, 7:54 pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Look how the Jews in control of the media are deceiving
>>>>>> Americans! They speak of a controversy about Rev. Wright who was
>>>>>> a pastor for the
>>>>>> most lovable candidate for president of the United States of
>>>>>> America. The Jewish media does not quote what Rev. Wright said
>>>>>> or did. May be
>>>>>> you ought to wonder why. Rev. Wright was dissatisfied with the
>>>>>> attitude of the Jewish community towards the genocide Israel is
>>>>>> committing in Israeli Concentration Camps. Rev. Wright has been
>>>>>> unhappy about the starvation imposed on the Palestinian
>>>>>> population in the Israeli Concentration Camps. <
>>>>> We will conquer and CRUSH the "Palestinians" until they accept
>>>>> that they are living on Jewish land. And if they don't accept it,
>>>>> they will be pushed into Jordan or Egypt. The US crushed Germany
>>>>> and Japan in WWII, and Israel's mistake has been to be too
>>>>> piecemeal and lenient. Enemies must be crushed, not coddled.
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Aviroce
one will come to the conclusion that ownership means also control
however control is achieved. In this sense, you can say Jews control
(own) America. So the main objective of people like me is to limit
such control by exposing Jews/Zionists. Once Americans realize that
they are misguided, misled, deceived by the Israeli/Jewish Lobby whose
objectives are not for the American people but for a Zionist Kindom of
Zion where non-Jews are slaves or beasts and such an ideology is
draining Americans of blood and treasure, Americans may disown this
Zionist conspiracy. It is going to get a great loss for Americans to
shift gear. Afterall, the main media of communication is controlled
by Jews.
On Apr 5, 10:34 pm, "The Cramer Lad" <here...@themoment.com> wrote:
> "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7cc9$47f81d69$45487289$11...@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>
>
>
> > "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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*****We elect our representatives in Congress and I am pleading with them
to identify Jews as exploiters of the American society and deceivers
of Americans and that these Jews belong nowhere and should be dumped
in the ocean.******
Your "congress" is in Arabia . It's called Sharia. Your place is there ,
sewer rat.
staten
"The Cramer Lad" <her...@themoment.com> wrote in message
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> Yes they would. If the Arabs withdrew their labour, the hebes would be
> fucked.
Fucked up like yourself? Hardly it's possible. You are the most gifted
cretin in the entire usenet.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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******You yourself is not an American. ******
Just because you - a smelly Muslim rat , intruder to my home - saying
so? That's absurd and illogical. But no one expects Muslims to be
rational. If someone starts lifting his ass 5 times a day for years ,
shit from his ass gradually starts shifting to his brain. That's why you
are so absurd and wacky. Your head is full of shit.
***** You are a filthy bastard Zionist, *****
No, rat, my home is America, not Israel. Your home is Arabia. You are an
intruder here. You bring from your home just filth, hatred and diseases.
And if I want to clean my home from your filth , it doesn't make me a
"Zionist" .
*****an
American in the process of expatriation legally. You should reveal
yourself to the legal system and they will eventually disown you and
throw you away.******
I don't need to reveal to Muslim pigs anything. You are not a decision maker
but a trespasser . While living in America , you got just two choices- get
the fuck out of here or get to Gitmo.
.((((((You bastard. You are hiding among us. )))))
I don't hiding among Muslims. They are filthy , hateful animals.
***We don't want you. ***
We don't want you either but you keep coming in droves bringing with you
your wives, children, imams, korans your filthy culture, honor murder and
hate. It's the only your contribution to our society. Ungrateful animals.
****We do not like Jews and Jewish lovers. ***
I know. But you live in America, not in Saudi Arabia. If you are very
unhappy that in America you are not allowed to murder Jews , get the fuck
back to your Arabian home, Muslim bastard.
*** They are people of filth. ***
No. People of filth are those who read the Koran.
1. When defecating together (two men) do not converse, do not look at
each others private parts.(Sunaan ibn Majah, 1.342)
2. Carry three stones while relieving yourself in desert.(Mishkat, 1.186)
3.Do not breath while drinking water; do not touch penis in lavatory and do
not cleanse private parts with your right hand...(Sahih Bukhari, 1. 4.155)
*** Get out of the United States of America. ***
You have no voice to dictate me where I need to go , filthy Muslim intruder.
You are just un unwelcome guest here waiting for your deportation which is
imminent eventually.
(((((go live in Germany or Austria, or Denmark or Holland.)))))
Too much Muslims. Muslims almost destroyed these countries. Now people in
those countries even are scared to draw cartoons or to shoot films without
Muslim's approval. It's a good reminder for us to start deporting all
Muslims from America otherwise we are going to live like in Holland or
Denmark, hostages in our own home.
Besides, I don't take orders from Muslims . You are tolerated here just like
a guest . Your barbaric Muslim culture is unwelcome for this mostly
Christian nation. Go live in Palestine or Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Iran. Go
and practice your Sharia, child molestation , honor murders, go and fuck
your goats as much as you want there . Leave us alone, Muslim parasite.
.(((((We don't want you or the kind of
animal you are. My neighbor has a pit bull dog. I am sure the dog
would like to have a job on you. Tell me which part to expose for the
pit bull? I like to have you male organ exposed so the dog can bite
off first. Then to go for your neck.))))))
Do you know who the Texas Rangers were, skunk? A hundred and fifty
years ago, the Texas Rangers learned about the right innovations in war. The
Texas frontier, which encroached the heart of Comanche land, was so plagued
with inevitable Indian raids and attacks. The US Army was too cumbersome,
expensive, and generally
ineffective against the Comanche. The Indians simply could not be defeated
in a conventional manner. The situation called for desperate measures. And
the Texas Rangers did something the Army could never do. The
Rangers adopted the Indian way of war. They committed massacres on Indian
camps when the opportunity presented itself. They practiced stealth, night
time attacks, slaughter o f Indian horses, and a variety of
innovative war tactics. The key motivation: destroy the enemy. Never mind
convention.
This story I learned from my neighbor, a Comanche , when I lived in Ohio.
Muslim bastards murdered his brother, a deputy sheriff in 2000 in Atlanta.
He was gunned down at night during his sleep by a local imam and Muslim
spiritual leader . Now my neighbor uses the Koran to hone his shooting
skills from a distance. He says that if our government is unable to protect
its citizens, we all will be the Texas Rangers.
The moral of the story is - if you Muslims start hounding Americans with
pit bulls with impunity , gunning us down at night , shooting us like
rabbits in our shopping malls , running us down with SUVs , blowing us up in
our airports and our government won't be able effectively to protect us
from your Muslim savagery, expect my Comanche neighbor at night in your
house . In the morning your wives will find your cold body with your brains
blown out.
I
((((Your people's time is coming.))))
Not aware of that. My people don't flood America and Europe in zillions and
don't spread hatred against their hosts. They don't behead filmmakers ,
don't rape infidel women, don't blow trains and subways, don't honor murder
and don't force Christianity down everyone's throat. Your people do. Your
people got to be deported.
((((Americans know what Jews have been doing to them.))))
Americans know what Muslims have done to America: 3000 dead Americans just
for 20 minutes and 290 more in 61 separate terrorist attacks in America.
((( Many hate them
except for fear of the law they merely deal with such hateful
people.))))))))
I don't care how much and who you hate in your Muslim communities. All I
know Muslims got to be expelled from America .
. ((((((America regretted what they
did to the Japanese and an act of Congress conmpensated them along
with Congressional Apology, You Sewer Rat. You should be thankful to
the Japanese because that is the only reason that keeps us, Americans,
from dumping Jews with their child molestation ideology.))))))
Child Molesting ideology is written in the Quran. It was practiced by your
holy prophet and afterwards it 's still in use by all Muslims till this
present day. Ajatolla Khomeini approved sexual molestation of infants. In
fact, you Muslims are the only nation of child molesters on earth who
believe that molesting little kids is "divine" . You should be ashamed of
such a debased behavior but you are proud of it. Your holy book allows you
to molest defenseless, little kids to satisfy your sexual lust. You are
animals.
. ((((((Are you telling me America acted to harm
Japanese because them Jews directed it to do so. You damned bastard.
You need to be burnt in Hell.))))))
Roosevelt , not Jews, had over 120,000 Americans of Japanese ancestry sent
to internment camps because of the potential security risk they posed to All
Americans. Today Muslims pose potential danger to all Americans. That's why
if you don't want to live in Gitmo, move your ass quickly to Arabia.
(((((You
are so absorbed with camels. Is your mother a camel? Are you a cross-
species? Are you the kind of animal crossed between a donkey and a
horse? You must be a mule.))))))
Not me but you are absorbed with camels and goats. According to your Muslim
belief and their the most revered imam Ajatolla Khomeini it's all right to
have sex with goats, sheep, cows and camels. The only thing a Muslim got
to be aware of not to sell the meat of the fucked animals to his Muslim
neighbors. But it's OK to sell to infidels.
(((((I am going to sit on your chest until you suffocate. Minus one
particle of Evil.)))))
You are going to sit in your personal cell in max security prison , Muslim
rat, if you don't stop cheerleading for terrorism and mass murder against
Americans. Padilla , Hasan Akbar and Buffolo seven already are waiting for
you there.
****In summary, Go To Hell. Fire is the ultimate cleanser.*****
This place is reserved for you. Say "Hi" to Mohammed, Arafat and Saddam when
you will get there. Sorry, No virgins.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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*****You know boy!? Say what you like and do what you like. Your time is
running out. When they capture you and come to cut your head off and
hang your body on a tree as a scarecrow, please ask them for one
minute to write me a note that your time has expired and you will be
going to Hell.******
In order to capture me , crackbrain , you need to enforce Sharia in America
first. But since you are unable to do that then just shut your filthy mouth
and go wash yourself, Muslim pig. Stench from your body is unbearable. But
I don't blame you personally for that. You MUST emulate your filthy prophet
who was as rotten and dirty as his rotten , dirty deeds. All ask is just
stay away from me , filthy swine, till they deport you back to Arabia.
staten
"The Cramer Lad" <her...@themoment.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Jews don't own America.
>
> Really? What gives you that strange idea?
You see, this forum for people with functional brains only. You don't
qualify. Better stick to your drugs and your pipe . Because when you are
sober you are
even more stupid than when stuffed with drugs.
staten
"The Cramer Lad" <her...@themoment.com> wrote in message
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>> You are sitting on my chest while we have dhimmi scum sitting in the
>> White
>> House and Congress.
>
> Nope. That's yid scum, statenstein. Don't you keep up?
Stick to your magic mushrooms, cretinoid. Nothing good is coming from your
ravaged by drugs mind. Forget about politics. Leave it for guys with
functional brains but your brain is dead long time ago. Do yourself a
favor - give it up .
staten
"The Cramer Lad" <her...@themoment.com> wrote in message
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>
> Why not spend the same amount of energy and lock away every hebe in the
> world? The entire world would benefit.
>
> Just a thought.
....and it always is stupid. Nothing new.