Russia is the enemy (cont.)
Dan K.
> Korolev,
> Indeed I started the discussion "Russia is the enemy" but not in
> connection with the Chechen genocide but when I brought to the fore that Russian leaders, while the country is an economic basket case,
with high inflation, unemployment, disintegration threat, are
discussing the "integration of neighboring states into a new
empire".
Yes, it is true. I would rather see Ukraine as poor as Albania and
as independent, than an exploited member of any empire. There are
values other than a full stomach! I suggest to sane Russians not to
worry about poor Ukraine but get their own house functioning. Just
look at Russia today! Russian would starve without Western
credits!
Politically Russia will face a civil war if the anti-semite
and empire rebuilder Zyuganov becomes its president. While I
shudder predicting this, blood will flow again in Russia. Ukraine
needs none of this. Its path is that of Finland and Poland. Once
they got rid of the Russian yoke in the early part of this century
> they became a part of the civilized West and much better off than
> Russia itself.
> Roman Voronka
Roman,
I wish your simple yet elegant wisdom would find its way into the
hearts and minds of those like Moroz and Symonenko who seem to be
mesmerized or perhaps hypnotized by their former masters. May
God deliver these people from their cursed blindness.
Regards, Dan K.
LEVCHENKO Vladimir
Just a few remarks to R. Voronka and D. Koroljushin
I'm pretty sure no one of you whish Ukraine the fate of Albania,
especially in 1960's-1980's, so be more accurate with analogies.
Second, what country you considered to be exploited among those united
into European Union? As far as I understand all the talks are about
forming some amalgamation like mentioned above.
Third, discussion of values other than a full stomach is impressive when
having your personal stomach full and seating far away in a safe heaven.
So let the people of Ukraine and their representative - democratically
elected government, and not you, to decide do they want a full stomach or
not, and how to feel it.
Forth, as for credits, Ukraine is already freezing and nearly starving
even WITH Western AND Russian credits.
And fifth, don't be so sarcastic about the possible Russian civil war.
The worst thing is that if it, God forbid, starts, Ukraine can easily become
its battlefield again as in 1918-1920, and chances of this pretty high.
Regards,
VL.
Dan K.
> Just a few remarks to R. Voronka and D. Koroljushin
> I'm pretty sure no one of you whish Ukraine the fate of Albania,
> especially in 1960's-1980's, so be more accurate with analogies.
> Second, ...............................................................Bunch of Sovok BS cut out...........................
> The worst thing is that if it, God forbid, starts, Ukraine can easily become its battlefield again as in 1918-1920, and chances of this pretty
high.
Regards, VL.
Levchenko,
Ty durnen'kiy sovok z ukrayin's'kem prizveshchem, shkoda sho ty
nichoho ne ponial!
No one, with the possible exception of Swampvoors, wants to see
a war in Russia. What I believe that 99.9% of Ukrainians want is
to see Russia grow up as a nation and stop acting like the
neurotic bully of Eurasia. What Ukrainians as well as most of the
peoples of the former SU want is good relations with Russia but
without Russian interference in their internal affairs. As Prof.
Voronka has said on a number of occasions, Russia would do herself
and her neighbors a big favor if she would take care of her own
domestic problems without trying to divert the Russian people's
attention to go back to disastrous empire building. It does not
benefit Russia or her neighbors. Vzhe ponial durniu?
Why is it that sovoks like you insist on Russia dominating and
oppressing her neighbors when you don't even live there anymore
and probably would not return if one of your chauvinistic idols
got into power because you know darn well he would make your
life miserable or worse put you out of your misery permanantly?
Regards, Dan K.
P.S. Russia holds an important key to prosperity in Eastern Europe
and Central Asia. If she would work honestly together with her
neighbors without malice and duplicity, as equals without imperial
ambitions, much as the relationship between the United States and
Western Europe, Russia and all of her neighbors would prosper greatly.
Vzhe zrozumiv?
Roman Voronka
>
>Roman,
>
>I wish your simple yet elegant wisdom would find its way into the
>hearts and minds of those like Moroz and Symonenko who seem to be
>mesmerized or perhaps hypnotized by their former masters. May
>God deliver these people from their cursed blindness.
>
>Regards, Dan K.
Unfortunately, Ukraine has and had in the past enough scoundrels who are
willing to sell it to Russians. It is to them that Shevchenko said
"Skhamenit'sya nedolyudky....". Still, a nation that voted 92% for
separation from Russia will not follow these fools.
Note, Yeltsin dare not set foot in Kyiv. Fear of Ukraine's independent
foreign policy could cost him the election, so he keeps on postponing
his visit. I hope he never comes :-).
RV
Roman Voronka
LEVCHENKO Vladimir <v...@dar.csiro.au> wrote:
>>
>Just a few remarks to R. Voronka and D. Korolyshyn
>I'm pretty sure no one of you whish Ukraine the fate of Albania,
>especially in 1960's-1980's, so be more accurate with analogies.
I think that the fate of Albanian citizens can be envied when compared
to that of Ukraine's. According to Ukrainian SOVIET encyclopedia,
Ukraine's population in the 1927 census was 32 million and in 1939 AFTER
TWELVE years it was 28 million. Thanks for any union with Russia,
Ukraine experienced enough. Why just look at the number of "enko's" in
Russian polulation. Just how many Ukrainians were exiled of forced to
leave Ukraine by the czarist represive regimes and by the comminists
(that did invade Ukraine). Look in the mirror Levchenko, you are part
Ukrainian.
>Second, what country you considered to be exploited among those united
>into European Union? As far as I understand all the talks are about
>forming some amalgamation like mentioned above.
The nations in the EU are civilized. Russia is not. And until it joins
the ranks of democratic nations, everyone should beware of the Russian
inatiable bear.
>Third, discussion of values other than a full stomach is impressive when
>having your personal stomach full and seating far away in a safe heaven.
>So let the people of Ukraine and their representative - democratically
>elected government, and not you, to decide do they want a full stomach or
>not, and how to feel it.
They did! 92%!, Every oblast', including Crimea!
And to change your arguments a bit "Let the people of Chechnya, and not
Russia, decide do they want a full stomach as part of Russia or not and
not people like you". What do you think would be an outcome in a
referendum in Chechnya?
>Forth, as for credits, Ukraine is already freezing and nearly starving
>even WITH Western AND Russian credits.
It's none of Russia's business. Why should Russia care. Worry about
Zimbabwe. :-).
When were you in Ukraine? I returned on Jan 12. The apartment was as
hot as usual. Had to open windows. Stores were full. Saw no hungry
Russians on the streets. Indeed times are tough but not as bad as
Russian press portrays. I have not visited Russia lately, but from the
reports I hear from those who did, outside Moscow and St. Pete, it's
much worse than in Ukraine.
Russia's foreign debt, after it stole from states like Ukraine all the
assets of USSR still exceed those of Ukraine. Russia is a weak third
world power licking Western boots for survival. Just got 10.2 billion
dollar loan (hand out)! :-)
>And fifth, don't be so sarcastic about the possible Russian civil war.
>The worst thing is that if it, God forbid, starts, Ukraine can easily become
>its battlefield again as in 1918-1920, and chances of this pretty high.
>
If you knew me, you would know that I was not sarcastic in that comment.
Genocidal war in Chechnya where Russia murdered over 30,000 civilians has
not spilled over into Ukraine. Despite Russian instigation, Crimea is
peacefull as a part of Ukraine. When the president of Russia ordered
the shelling of a democratically elected Duma, no shots were fired in
Ukraine. Etc. etc. etc. I hope peace will come to Russia - the sooner
the better. But just in case, Ukraine needs no part of Russian post
imperialistic foreign policy with it concomitant adventure.
>Regards,
>
>VL.
Khaj zhyvut' rossijs'ki demokraty (usi desyat')!
Roman Voronka
Jurassic
>Levchenko,
>
>Ty durnen'kiy sovok z ukrayin's'kem prizveshchem, shkoda sho ty
>nichoho ne ponial!
>Vzhe zrozumiv?
And you?
--
Jurassic
Sergei SAVCHENKO
> Yes, it is true. I would rather see Ukraine as poor as Albania and
> as independent, than an exploited member of any empire. There are
this is rather queer as well as disgusting, mr voronka would
rather see ppl starve but following his "values", sorry
sir , you are as bad as communists, in fact there is no
difference at all. what you are preaching is the very same
thing the other way around. unlike you i ve lived
in ukraine long enough. saying that russia is the greatest
cause of all evils is oversimplification, saying that
soviet union was ran exclusively by russians or that
ukraine was "occupied" would be yet another oversimplification
which i am sure you need in order to put some foundation under
your "values".
regards,
sergei savchenko
Dan K.
Mr. Savchenko,
You being a soviet and probably here in the US only a short time, you are still
unfamiliar with human and American values. Yes in the old Soviet state humans
were treate as animals with no souls or values except those imposed by the
"almighty" state. Humans were considered just as slaves to be used by the
Muscovite leaders as their automatons. But in the free world and especially
here in America people are considered by most Americans who hold to traditional
American values as beings created by God with certain inalieable rights,
a concept foreign to sovoks like you. The leaders of America were fond of
quoting the great American patriot Patrick Henry who said "Give me liberty
or give me death" and Nathan Hale who was hanged by the British and declared
his famous words on the gallows, " I regret that I have but one life to lose
for my country". You see Savchenko there are more imortant things in life
than merely filling your undeserving belly here in the US. By the Grace of
God you have the opportunity here in the US to seek and find those higher
values or you can abide in the ignorance and stupidity which was fed you
by your past masters in your old Evil Empire. You also have the opportunity
to study Ukrainian history and learn the truth about the country you once
lived in, but then again from the tone of your post you are not interested
in that as you are probably one of those who helped and supported the
Russification of the Ukrainian people and hates everything Ukrainian.
Regards, Dan K.
Sergei SAVCHENKO
>Mr. Savchenko,
>
>You being a soviet and probably here in the US only a short time, you are still
^^^^^^^^^^
>unfamiliar with human and American values. Yes in the old Soviet state humans
>were treate as animals with no souls or values except those imposed by the
>"almighty" state. Humans were considered just as slaves to be used by the
>Muscovite leaders as their automatons. But in the free world and especially
>here in America people are considered by most Americans who hold to traditional
>American values as beings created by God with certain inalieable rights,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a concept foreign to sovoks like you. The leaders of America were fond of
^^^^^^
>quoting the great American patriot Patrick Henry who said "Give me liberty
>or give me death" and Nathan Hale who was hanged by the British and declared
>his famous words on the gallows, " I regret that I have but one life to lose
>for my country". You see Savchenko there are more imortant things in life
>than merely filling your undeserving belly here in the US. By the Grace of
>God you have the opportunity here in the US to seek and find those higher
^^^
>values or you can abide in the ignorance and stupidity which was fed you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
talk about ignorance and stupidity, sir, i don't care much of american
values, cause i have a privilage not to reside there, if you have had
little less of what you attribute to me you might have figured that
out from my email address, neither am i here in canada for short time
in fact more then 30% of my life has been spent in the west, so i have
had enough chances to compare the two systems, you most likely have not,
so your opinion is not of much value as far as ukraine is concerned.
and you are so very wrong when you attribute all those high qualities
to exclusively "western" whatever that is society, there are always
governments which have their own morale and there are ppl and belive me
all of ordinary ppl christian or jews or muslims have very similar
morale including us who were born in the soviet union. and for your
information my being here has nothing to do with god.
>by your past masters in your old Evil Empire. You also have the opportunity
>to study Ukrainian history and learn the truth about the country you once
>lived in, but then again from the tone of your post you are not interested
>in that as you are probably one of those who helped and supported the
>Russification of the Ukrainian people and hates everything Ukrainian.
i suppose from the tone of your post you are one of those b/w americans
who just don't see complexities of this world, things are either
evil or granted by god. fortunately or unfortunately this is not
the case.
and, you may drop your superiority complex, because for one thing
it is plane impolite, you are the man of "american" values you should
know.
>
>Regards, Dan K.
sergei savchenko
GRycar
I had the dubious pleasure of reading your
post to Danny K. It would be most helpfull if logic- as a tool of clarity
- was applied or made part of you argument. I trust that you are Soviet
educated and as such all is clear to me relative to your comand of reason.
The US is the gratyest country in the world save none. That former
quagmire of evil from which you were released was the most onorous ever.
That, as you claim, you have no use for the US is further witness to the
fact that Soviet education specialized in teaching their students to be
stupid.
Please be informed that without the US that
quagmire of evil may have succeeded with their moral twins the Nazis in
implenting the hell and depravity that you lived under. The ancient Greeks
are again correct in insisting that most men not exposed to Hellene
culture if given a choice would choose slavery and dependancy over freedom
and liberty. To this you bear witness.
Regards
George
Sergei SAVCHENKO
> Dear Mr. Savchenko;
> I had the dubious pleasure of reading your
> post to Danny K. It would be most helpfull if logic- as a tool of clarity
> - was applied or made part of you argument. I trust that you are Soviet
> educated and as such all is clear to me relative to your comand of reason.
sir,
this is exectly the problem i was talking about, you are taking upon
yourself to judge things you have neither experienced nor properly
understand. also, you are labeling all of ppl educated in the ussr
as ignorant? ...
> The US is the gratyest country in the world save none. That former
> quagmire of evil from which you were released was the most onorous ever.
> That, as you claim, you have no use for the US is further witness to the
> fact that Soviet education specialized in teaching their students to be
> stupid.
yes, i don't share some of the "american" values, besids, mind you i live
in canada a country which is in certain ways more advanced and tolerant then
the u.s. do i hate america? no. this hole discussion is the witness to
the fact that american education specializes in teaching their students
to be overconfident, they are ready to express judgments when they
don't know enough the subject.
> Please be informed that without the US that
> quagmire of evil may have succeeded with their moral twins the Nazis in
> implenting the hell and depravity that you lived under. The ancient Greeks
> are again correct in insisting that most men not exposed to Hellene
> culture if given a choice would choose slavery and dependancy over freedom
> and liberty. To this you bear witness.
>
you don't have to keep telling me how bad soviet union was, if
i was much of a soviet patriot i would not have left. the only
thing i don't find much difference between a person who wants
the hole country to starve to fit his tiny "ideas" and it doesn't
matter if it is about communism/anti-communism/great russia/
great ukraine/you name it, all radicals are pretty much the same
including nationalistic ones.
> Regards
> George
>
i suggest that instead of slogans you would talk in the language
of reason, freedom! liberty! those have been misused and overused
too often including by soviets and in pretty much the same context,
to this i bear witness.
regards,
sergei
F. Tereshchenko
>
>> >Roman Voronka wrote:
>> > Yes, it is true. I would rather see Ukraine as poor as Albania and
>> > as independent, than an exploited member of any empire. There are
>> > values other than a full stomach!
>
>> this is rather queer as well as disgusting, mr voronka would
>> rather see ppl starve but following his "values", sorry sir , you are as bad as communists, in fact there is no
> difference at all. what you are preaching is the very same
> thing the other way around. unlike you i ve lived
> in ukraine long enough. saying that russia is the greatest
> cause of all evils is oversimplification, saying that
> soviet union was ran exclusively by russians or that
> ukraine was "occupied" would be yet another oversimplification
> which i am sure you need in order to put some foundation under
>> your "values".
>> regards, sergei savchenko
>
>
>
>You being a soviet and probably here in the US only a short time, you are still
>were treate as animals with no souls or values except those imposed by the
>"almighty" state. Humans were considered just as slaves to be used by the
>Muscovite leaders as their automatons. But in the free world and especially
>here in America people are considered by most Americans who hold to traditional
>American values as beings created by God with certain inalieable rights,
>or give me death" and Nathan Hale who was hanged by the British and declared
>his famous words on the gallows, " I regret that I have but one life to lose
>for my country". You see Savchenko there are more imortant things in life
>than merely filling your undeserving belly here in the US. By the Grace of
>God you have the opportunity here in the US to seek and find those higher
>to study Ukrainian history and learn the truth about the country you once
>lived in, but then again from the tone of your post you are not interested
>in that as you are probably one of those who helped and supported the
>Russification of the Ukrainian people and hates everything Ukrainian.
>
Mr. Savchenko,
Mr. Korolyshyn is just another nationalist who wants the death of
the country to which he does not belong and which he does not understand.
If he lacks arguments he usually calls one a "sovok" or "person who does
not know history", or uses any other personal blames. It is quite usless
to argue with him unless you just having a fun. Seldom he has an argument.
He does not speak (write) Ukrainian, but he will teach all Ukrainian
citizen what to do. Responding to his post is just "metaniye bisera pered..."
And I do not think that it is his personal fault. He is just a pity
indoctrinated and brainwashed person... So, have mercy too...
Yours,
Feodor Tereshchenko
LEVCHENKO Vladimir
On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Roman Voronka wrote:
> I think that the fate of Albanian citizens can be envied when compared
> to that of Ukraine's. According to Ukrainian SOVIET encyclopedia,
> Ukraine's population in the 1927 census was 32 million and in 1939 AFTER
> TWELVE years it was 28 million. Thanks for any union with Russia,
If you check Russian population in 1939 (after well known 1935-1938 yrs)
you might find a lot of surprises as well.
And I repeat again, Commies have no nationality ( they declared it
themselves). And it was a union of Uke's commies from those in Russia.
> Ukraine experienced enough. Why just look at the number of "enko's" in
> Russian polulation. Just how many Ukrainians were exiled of forced to
> leave Ukraine by the czarist represive regimes and by the comminists
> (that did invade Ukraine). Look in the mirror Levchenko, you are part
> Ukrainian.
>
Yes I am, and I'm proud of it. And I never experienced any conflict
between Ukranian and Russian cultures.
And my ancestors that brought me my family name for about two centuries
as far as I can see were professional army officers majoring in artillery.
I was the first who broke the connection with warfare.
They served all around the vast Russian Empire (and in the Caucasus BTW),
as well as many other Ukranians who used an advantage of life in a big and
rich country comparing to tiny historical Ukraine.
Many top Empire (I'm talking on pre-revolutionary times) officials were
Ukranians, including one of the Chancellors, were they forced to leave
Ukraine or did it by their own accord?
> >Second, what country you considered to be exploited among those united
> >into European Union? As far as I understand all the talks are about
> >forming some amalgamation like mentioned above.
>
> The nations in the EU are civilized. Russia is not. And until it joins
> the ranks of democratic nations, everyone should beware of the Russian
> inatiable bear.
>
Civilized enough for Ukraine, I guess.
> >Third, discussion of values other than a full stomach is impressive when
> >having your personal stomach full and seating far away in a safe heaven.
> >So let the people of Ukraine and their representative - democratically
> >elected government, and not you, to decide do they want a full stomach or
> >not, and how to feel it.
>
> They did! 92%!, Every oblast', including Crimea!
>
They voted AGAINST communist central gouvernmet, and you understand it.
At the same time more that 70% voted for staying in the Union with Russia
and Belarus.
And now I've heard myself from the people coming down here from Ukraine
(even from Western one) - "Za Souzom bulo krasche", could it be a vox populi?
> And to change your arguments a bit "Let the people of Chechnya, and not
> Russia, decide do they want a full stomach as part of Russia or not and
> not people like you". What do you think would be an outcome in a
> referendum in Chechnya?
That's what I constantly advocate. But first restore the law and order to
let all the former population including those who now become refugee to vote.
And as Chechnia never before was a separate state entity I think an all
Russian referendum is necessary.
Or, if we go further this road I can suggest to held a plebiscite
separately in all Ukranian regions, and ask them, do they want to join a
Union as Belarus did. And I afraid you could be left with only a few western
gubernias, with not a genuine Ukranian population, as true patriots and
lovers of their land would never change their faith for that of their
victors and landlords going even to torture and death (remember Taras
Bulba, mate).
>
> >Forth, as for credits, Ukraine is already freezing and nearly starving
> >even WITH Western AND Russian credits.
>
> It's none of Russia's business. Why should Russia care. Worry about
> Zimbabwe. :-).
>
No it is. First of all it is just human. You are worrying about Chechnia.
ain't you?
And second, credit provider is always concerned whether he'll get the
money back or not.
> When were you in Ukraine? I returned on Jan 12. The apartment was as
> hot as usual. Had to open windows. Stores were full. Saw no hungry
> Russians on the streets. Indeed times are tough but not as bad as
> Russian press portrays. I have not visited Russia lately, but from the
> reports I hear from those who did, outside Moscow and St. Pete, it's
> much worse than in Ukraine.
>
First of all, where you've been? Second, reports in the press named
February as the worst, with a blackouts and industry power cuts widely
spread all around Ukraine. Third, as far as I know, Russians visiting
Ukraine at the moment are feeling themselves quite rich with their
salaries exceeding Ukranian double to threelefold, and rouble is a very
desired and welcomed currency in Ukraine. So much for hungry Russians,
what about hungry Ukranians?
If it would be as you portrayed then why thousands and thousands of
Ukranians are legally and illegally like Mexicans to US going to Russia to
work as gastarbaiters, just to earn enough money to support their families?
I must admit, I read Russian press (AIF, local newspapers, as well those
on the net), I watch Russian TV news occasionally, as the broadcasting
time is not convenient. At the same time I watch Polish and German news,
and of course national and state news coverage. And I can say, that I'm
learning about Ukraine from Russian media is very accurate and very much
the same as what I see in Polish, German or national news.
> Russia's foreign debt, after it stole from states like Ukraine all the
> assets of USSR still exceed those of Ukraine. Russia is a weak third
> world power licking Western boots for survival. Just got 10.2 billion
> dollar loan (hand out)! :-)
Russia "stole" the assets of USSR in exchange of accepting all USSR's
foreign debt. You wanna parity? I bet Ukraine will immediately collapse
under its part of USSR's debt
And Russia is credited, because the West believes in its ability to bay
back. As for Ukraine, its a big doubt, and hence much less credits. Who
would lend money if a person is mounting unmanageable debts to other
creditors (including Russia, BTW).
>
> Roman Voronka
>
VL
Dragon Fly
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Roman Voronka wrote:
>
> >
> > The nations in the EU are civilized. Russia is not. And until it joins
> > the ranks of democratic nations, everyone should beware of the Russian
> > inatiable bear.
>
Vladimir, first learn to write correctly "the Ukraine"
before bullshitting about your Ukrainian shithole
rejoining Russia..
I'm 100% Russian and I will not give a fuck about the Ukraine
and the Ukrainians, whether they are alive or dying from hunger once
again. The less Tchurkas the better for the Progressive Mankind.
> And now I've heard myself from the people coming down here from Ukraine
> (even from Western one) - "Za Souzom bulo krasche", could it be a vox populi?
Vladimir, the Ukrainians are poor and hungry. And even if they
say "it was better in [Soviet] Union" it means first and only that
THEY WANT TO EAT
and
THEY WANT RUSSIA TO FEED THEM AGAIN
Now Vladimir, you together with some other Ukrainian Tchurkas
like Vova Sovokin stop dreaming about that your shitty the Ukraine
rejoining Russia.
We Russians don't need you. Go lick ass to someone else.
Cordially,
Dragon
Yury Mukharsky
<Mr. Savchenko,
<
<You being a soviet and probably here in the US only a short time, you are still
<unfamiliar with human and American values.
..and their fundamental differences...
< Yes in the old Soviet state humans
<were treate as animals with no souls or values except those imposed by the
<"almighty" state.
..while in America their are treated as values without soul....
Yury
LEVCHENKO Vladimir
I reserve my right not to reply to the sort of crap this filthy insect
wrote down:
On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Dragon Fly wrote:
> LEVCHENKO Vladimir wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Roman Voronka wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The nations in the EU are civilized. Russia is not. And until it joins
> > > the ranks of democratic nations, everyone should beware of the Russian
> > > inatiable bear.
> >
> > Civilized enough for Ukraine, I guess. ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Vladimir, first learn to write correctly "the Ukraine"
> before bullshitting about your Ukrainian shithole
> rejoining Russia..
>
> I'm 100% Russian and I will not give a fuck about the Ukraine
> and the Ukrainians, whether they are alive or dying from hunger once
> again. The less Tchurkas the better for the Progressive Mankind.
>
>
> > And now I've heard myself from the people coming down here from Ukraine
> > (even from Western one) - "Za Souzom bulo krasche", could it be a vox populi?
>
> Vladimir, the Ukrainians are poor and hungry. And even if they
> say "it was better in [Soviet] Union" it means first and only that
>
> THEY WANT TO EAT
> and
> THEY WANT RUSSIA TO FEED THEM AGAIN
>
> Now Vladimir, you together with some other Ukrainian Tchurkas
> like Vova Sovokin stop dreaming about that your shitty the Ukraine
> rejoining Russia.
>
> We Russians don't need you. Go lick ass to someone else.
>
> Cordially,
> Dragon
>
>
VL
M. P.&P.
>Vladimir, first learn to write correctly "the Ukraine"
>before bullshitting about your Ukrainian shithole
>rejoining Russia..
Vladimir was right. In 1991, "the" was cut off due to peculiarities
of English grammar (I am not sure about USA), because it was not anymore
part of USSR but an independent state of its own.
The UN rules also have recommended "Ukraine" instead of "the Ukraine"
as grammatically correct. Certainly, some people would like to see it
again with "the", but it has nothing to do with "learn to write correctly".