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Expose' of "The Armenian Genocide of The Turks/Kurds/Jews" Continues (w/ hundreds of historical documents and references)

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Mar 4, 1991, 9:19:05 AM3/4/91

In article <910301230...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
DK...@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Dimitrios Kouvatsos), "the beacon of fraud,"
who has already committed a crime by forging usenet articles in
cooperation with the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
and Revisionism Triangle (references will be posted upon request)
continued to insult millions of Turkish and Kurdish people with
unsubstantiated claims and racist remarks. Besides, the racism is a
crime against humanity.

>Subject: mutlu the mudslinger

Swell. The second episode of the 'Kova Express' coming soon and 'Kova
the Barbarian' talks to human beings. But this kind of dirt is not
garbage; it is progress.

Anyhow, let me get back to the real issue at hand and further expose the
cold-blooded genocide of millions of Muslims in Eastern Anatolia by
the Armenian genocide squads before, during and after World War I
based on scholarly work and archival documents for the rest of the
netters.

Even before the war began, in August 1914, the extermination of millions
of Muslims in Eastern Anatolia by the Armenian genocide squads started.
As soon as Russia declared war on the Ottoman Empire, the Dashnak
Society's official organ 'Horizon' declared:

"The Armenians have taken their place on the side of the Entente states
without showing any hesitation whatsoever; they have placed all their
forces at the disposition of Russia; and they also are forming volunteer
battalions."

The Dashnak Committee also ordered its cells that had been preparing to
revolt within the Ottoman Empire and exterminate the entire Muslim
population of Eastern Anatolia.

"As soon as the Russians have crossed the borders and the Ottoman armies
have started to retreat, you should revolt everywhere. The Ottoman
armies thus will be placed between two fires. If the Ottoman armies
advance against the Russians, on the other hand, their Armenian soldiers
should leave their units with their weapons, form bandit forces, and
unite with the Russians."[1]

[1] Hocaoglu, Mehmed, "Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler," Istanbul,
1976, pp. 570-571.

And even the Armenian representative in the Ottoman Parliament for
Van, Papazyan, soon turned out to be an Armenian genocide squad
leader, publishing a proclamation that:

"The volunteer Armenian regiments in the Caucasus should prepare
themselves for battle, serve as advance units for the Russian armies
to help them capture the key positions in the districts where the
Armenians live, advance into Anatolia, joining the Armenian units
already there and exterminate the Muslims."

As the Russian forces advanced into Ottoman territory in eastern Anatolia,
they were led by advanced units composed of Ottoman and Russian Armenian
genocide squads, who were joined by the Armenians who deserted the Ottoman
armies and went over to the Russians. Within a few months after the war
began, these Armenian genocide squads, operating in close coordination
with the Russians, were savagely attacking Turkish and Kurdish cities,
towns and villages in the East, massacring their inhabitants without
mercy, while at the same time working to sabotage the Ottoman army's
war effort by destroying roads and bridges, raiding caravans, and
doing whatever else they could to exterminate the entire Muslim
population of the Eastern Anatolia and to ease the Russian occupation.

Nor did these Armenian atrocities affect only Turks and other Muslims.
The Armenian genocide squads had never been happy with the failure
of the Jews to fully support their genocide programs. As a result in
Hakkari and vicinity they slaughtered thousands of Jews.[1]

[1] Schemsi, Kara, "Turcs et Armeniens devant l'Histoire," Geneva,
Imprimerie Nationale, 1919, p. 41 and p. 49.

When the Ottoman soldiers entered the city of Erzincan they found all
public and Islamic buildings and more than 1,000 houses demolished by
the Armenians. Hundreds of bodies of Erzincan's Turks were found in the
streets, hundreds more in wells or shallow graves. In other cities the
scenes awaiting the Ottoman soldiers were similar. 400 buildings in
Bayburt had been burned down and hundreds of bodies were in the streets.
Tercan had been completely destroyed by dynamite. In Erzurum, the
greatest city of the east, Ottoman officials estimated that 8,000
Turks had been slaughtered in the city alone. The figure may have been
exaggerated, but the soldiers did count and record each body buried
by them and 2,127 male bodies were buried in the first 8 days.
Out of a sense of decency, the soldiers did not count the female
bodies buried or report what had happened to them.

The atrocities in the cities were repeated in the villages. On the
Armenian line of retreat the Muslims who could not flee were butchered.
Very few houses and no complete villages remained. An Austrian
newspaper reporter, who could not be accused of liking the Russians,
Austria's enemy, stated that the Russians had treated the people of
the region relatively well, but that when Russia collapsed Armenian
genocide squads exterminated the Turks. Dr. Stephan Eshnanic traveled
the region and wrote

"I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians
at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and
from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed."[1]

Turkish refugees, the remainder of the original population, who had
been able to remain during the Russian occupation, now choked the
roads.

It is instructive that American missionaries were allowed by the
Ottomans (and later the Turkish Army) to continue to feed and clothe
Armenian orphans. No record exists of Armenians allowing the same
latitude to Turkish orphans.

[1] Reported to the "Nues Wiener Tagblatt, Prester Lloyd, etc."

Source: Eroglu, Veysel: "Ermeni Mezalimi." Sebil Yayinlari (Istanbul), 1978.

pp. 241-242.

"Among the thousands of victims of the Armenian massacres, the following
innocent Muslims have been identified:

1 - Esraftan Haci Semseddin oglu Tosun Efendi

2 - Hersan mahallesinden Haci Yusuf oglu Abdulbaki Efendi

3 - Haci Hasan oglu Haci Mehmed

4 - Mahmud oglu Nadir Efendi

5 - Cemal Efendi oglu Abdurrazzak Efendi

6 - Mahmud Efendi oglu Dursun Efendi

7 - Recep Efendi oglu Hamid

8 - Bilal Efendi oglu Cemil

9 - Seyh Mehmed Kufrevi oglu Seyh Abdulmalik Efendi

....................................................

Name: Isa oglu Haydar from Bitlis:
Number of loved ones massacred by the Armenians: 28.

As Papazian concludes: 'Years of futile and wasteful struggle against
the Turkish Government finally forced the scholastic leaders of the
Dashnagtzoutune, who had directed the struggle from their safe refuges
of Geneva and Tiflis, to admit their defeat, but not their ignorance.'
The Dashnag flirtation with 'socialism' angered the Russian Government
and failed to attract the support of the European socialists. 'The net
result,' says Papazian, 'was a tremendous waste of energy and internal
dissensions.'

Papazian concludes: "Its hands are raised against everybody, its plottings
and crimes have rocked the conscience of all decent Armenians, and have
disgraced our people before the civilized world.'

The Armenian genocide of the Muslims from the mouth of an Armenian:

Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.

pp. 17-18.

"It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent
part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus.
Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful
in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus,
very often defenseless and innocent."

p. 25.

"Years of futile and wasteful struggle against the Turkish government
finally forced the scholastic leaders of the Dashnagtzoutune, who had
directed the struggle from their safe refuges of Geneva and Tiflis, to admit
their defeat, but not their ignorance."

"We were defeated, says Mikael Varandian on page 191 of his hodge-podge
of a 'History of the Dashnagtzoutune' ...."

p. 38.

"The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section
of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the
Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for
Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."

p. 38.

"Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of
such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer
regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of
1914-15-16."

p. 45.

"We are again going to quote from Kachaznouni, the one time prime minister
of Armenia, in order to show, that the Dashnag government failed to take
measures to avoid this disastrous war.

'It is an irrefutable fact, says Kachaznouni, a flagrant fact, that we
have not done everything that we should have done - it was our duty to
do - in order to avoid war.

And we have not done everything for the simple but unpardonable reason,
that we were ignorant of the real strength of the Turks, and too sure of our
own strengths. There lies the fundamental mistake. We were not afraid of
war, because we were sure of being victorious. With the carelessness of
inexperienced and ignorant men, we were not aware of the forces that the
Turks had organized on our borders, and so we were not cautious.'"

Quotes from Admiral Bristol's March 28, 1921 letter on the Armenian genocide
of millions of Muslims.

"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars."

"By massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes; and finally
by starting an attack against the Turks which resulted in a counter attack
by the Turks, and then the Armenians deserted and ran away."

> Once again "hasan b. mutlu" is accusing Cris, me or anybody he damn
>well pleases as members of terrorist organizations. Even though he has
>been repeatedly warned that this is far more serious than personal
>invective and will not be tolerated.

hasan.b.mutlu has enough evidence to take you racists and criminals
to 'Imrali' 'sintine pisligi.' Did I hear the Jews of Selanik or the
Turks of Dedeagac?

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
(To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)

"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."

"Document No: 49," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2697, Section No: 440, Contents No: 11-1, 11-2.
(To the Third Army Command - 2nd Caucasian Army Corps Commander
Major General Sevki)

"A 2000-strong Armenian gang captured the town of Polathane on 27.1,
erected tents in the region and carried out massacres against the Moslem
inhabitants.

Moslem women were beheaded, faces slashed, and the mutilated bodies
of Moslem men and women exhibited in a shameless way.

On 28/29.1 Orus village 16 Km.s Southeast of Polathane was raided
by an Armenian gang, and whole Moslem population was massacred."

"Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.
(To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps
Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army
General)

"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the
population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are
facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties
and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate
the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have
regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and
cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority
seems to be failing in restoring order."

"Document No: 59," Archive No: 1/1, Cabin No: 105, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 153, Section No: 682, Contents No: 45.
(To Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army
Vehip Mehmet)

"According to information received from the reconnaissance column in
Bayburt, an Armenian gang of 250 infantry and 100 cavalry, left Bayburt
and withdrew to Erzurum over Sandik inns. Before leaving Bayburt, the
gang treacherously murdered and burned over 200 people."

> This only shows the barbarism of his handlers from the Turkish
>Government - and the state of mental underdevelopment Turkey is in, for
>these are the spokesmen it deserves. One can only expect a meticulous
>cover-up of the unspeakable Turkish crimes - which are not restricted
>to the Genocide of the Armenians or the massacres of the Pontian and
>Ionian Greeks as an organized government policy and not merely as war
>atrocities, but reach up to the present day with the systematic use of
>torture that Amnesty International has exposed - from such a being.

Spaking of government planned genocide, massacres, systematic torture
and barbarians, though,

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
(To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,
Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)

'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.

"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at
almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people
well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...

They had told me how Armenian gangs murdered 360 Turkish prisoners of war
in Kars and Alexanderpolis. Russian officers tried to save the Turks and
there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now
in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed.
The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations
that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I
could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof
of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."

Dr. Stephan Eshnanie

The manifesto of the Hunchak Committee openly stated that 'the most
favourable time for an overall rebellion of Ottoman Armenians, is the
time when the Ottoman State is at war.' The First World War was
therefore the opportune time the Armenian committees had been seeking
for a quarter of a century. On the eve of war, in June 1914, Armenian
committees convened a congress in Erzurum, resolving to continue the
struggle against the Ottoman State.

For Russia, on the other hand, the First World War was also the
opportunity she was awaiting to invade Eastern Anatolia. The Russians
resolved to exploit and make use of Armenians against the Turks as far
as was possible. Agreement was reached between the Echmiazin Catholicate
and the Russian Caucasus Governor General under which Armenians would
provide unconditional support for the Russians. The Catholicate was
later received by the Russian Tzar. In audience, he told the Tsar 'the
emancipation of the Anatolian Armenians was only possible through
secession from Turkish sovereignty, the establishment of an autonomous
Armenia under the protection of Russia.' This was a kind of alliance
between the Russians and the Armenians against Ottoman Empire.

The bloody struggle waged by Armenians against Turks and Kurds from then
on, can be followed from the historical documents. Before the Ottoman
Empire entered the First World War, Armenian gangs armed and equipped
in Russia, infiltrated Eastern Anatolia. This was followed by the
arming of Armenians in Eastern Anatolia with Russian weapons. With the
declaration of war by Russia on the Ottoman Empire, both Russian
Armenians and Anatolian Armenians moved against the Ottoman Empire.
Russians, disarmed Moslems in places they occupied in Eastern Anatolia,
arming the Armenians with the weapons confiscated from Moslems, paving
the way for aggressions by Armenians on a disarmed and innocent Moslem
population.

Armenian gangs perpetrated acts of sabotage, destroyed telephone cables,
blew up bridges, blocked passes, set up ambushes, attacked security
stations and small Turkish outposts behind the Ottoman Army lines on the
one hand, and on the other ruthlessly attacked Turkish villages,
slaughtering the Turkish population indiscriminately, women, children,
old and young alike. Innocent people were one by one cruelly bayonetted
to death, or massacred with axes and swords, or else shut up in mosques
or in schools and then burnt alive.

Widespread Armenian revolts broke out in regions of Van, Sivas and Maras.
The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion, also
had to deal with Armenian gangs who hit from behind. The Armenian
genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of Eastern Anatolia.
Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed widespread massacres
in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena was left to the Armenians.
Almost every Turkish town and village from Erzincan up to Azerbaidjan
suffered large scale massacres and genocide by Armenians.

The Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum,
Kars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their
villages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred.
The massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for
humanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German,
Austrian, French and American authorities.

Almost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and
cruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by
Armenian gangs perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish and Kurdish
people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents. Even today
over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of the victims
of these cruelties can be heard.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 63," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 6, File No: 2947, Section No: A-629, Contents No: 3-2, 3-3.
(To: Supreme Command, Thunderbolt Group Command, 6th Army
Command, 4t Army Command - Commander, 3rd Army, General Vehib
Mehmet)

"The strength of the fighting Armenians was 400 infantry, 100 cavalry
reinforced by two mountain artillery guns. Before their retreat,
Armenian gangs murdered some 30 women, children and men from the
inhabitants of Tazegul. They partly burned the village before
leaving, also burning Oreni village before withdrawing in the Erzurum
direction. Cavalry reconnaissance columns followed them in the
direction of Alaca 43 A.

Armenian gangs burnt 20 houses at Yenilkoy...Armenian gangs murdered
35 people from Askale before fleeing."

"Document No: 64," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist
Nesim Mazelyah)

"Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on
innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported
by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by
General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army.

Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out
murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be
expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people
who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated
every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged
to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled
and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking.
We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."

"Document No: 65," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General)

"The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have
recently taken over is given below:

These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the
calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed,
as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of
these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the
destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation.

All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum,
the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those
burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down.

As to the people of these cities:

All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis
direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people,
were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the
withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown
into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens
ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls
and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts.
The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than
those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive,
horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in
Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had
has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated.

The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in
stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and
Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have
been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely
massacred.

Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that
history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."

> Go ahead, barbarian, throw your 1000-liners of countless times
>repeated trash! Let your fellow Turks enjoy the mud they deserve...

You certainly visited the right newsgroup, 'balaban,' and will
definitely enjoy the expose' of the crimes committed by your
predecessors and handlers at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.
Where shall I begin?

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 48," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 4-39, 4-40.
(To the Third Army Command - Acting Commander 36th Caucasian
Division, Lt. Col. Recep)

"Ertkendi Village Moughtar (headman) Feyzi, son of Ismail and Gozeler
Village Moughtar Halil Efendi, son of Mustafa have just arrived in
Kemah on horseback.

As their previous statements have completely confirmed, Armenians have
been carrying out acts of massacres on Moslem population in Erzincan
for two days. They are planting bombs at houses which they cannot
break into, or burning these houses by using kerosene. Seven bombs
were thrown at the New Mosque today...Artillery gun sound are heard
from the direction of Mamahatun. Armenians reportedly have two more
artillery guns at Harbiye Barracks, apart from their two guns at
Erzincan. Reportedly there are 500 Kurds at Cice passage of Kelek
(Poluk) Village and 700 in Pulumur. Son of Kurd Memis Aga is
reportedly positioned at Spikur front with 80 men. Apparently only
men remained in Erzincan. The fate of the women and children is unknown.

Three branches of service may pass (infantry, artillery and cavalry)
through Kemah Erzincan road, provided that the bridges are well
reserved and protected. Bridges built by the Russians across the Pratik
were destroyed by Armenians three days ago. If some forces cannot get
there at once, it is extremely likely that all bridges and villages
will be destroyed. If we are supported by 60 soldiers, or by 100
rifles and a sufficient number of soldiers, you will save all villages
up to one hour from Erzincan on the West. All hopes for the women
and children rest with the Army. If the Army does not come to help,
they will tear us all into pieces, the population says. And they swear
this is so...

According to information from peasants in the region, Armenian gangs
reinforced by six artillery guns retreated to the East via Yenikoy
46 G. During their withdrawal they slaughtered some 300 defenseless
Moslems and burnt the corpses."

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 42," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer
No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1.
(To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant
Section Director Major Ali Sukru)

"It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes
committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities
in the villages...

I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain
on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment
was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently
once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge
stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it
at a spot that was invisible from the road..."

Anyway, according to the historians and historical documents, the Armenian
genocide of the Muslims had actually commenced before the first battles of
the war. In August, 1914, the Armenians of Zeytun rebelled against military
conscription. All over Eastern Anatolia Armenian guerilla bands
organized and came out of hiding. Weapons, provided by Russian
government and the Armenian revolutionary groups, were brought from
hiding. (In one government investigation, Ottoman officials complained
that the Armenian guerillas possessed better weapons than did the
Ottoman soldiers sent to fight them. Armenian rebels in the city of Urfa
were armed with machine guns, in short supply in most regular armies at
the beginning of the war.) Supplies, including weapons, ammunition, and
even uniforms, had been successfully hidden in anticipation of just such
a conflict. The Russians, anticipating a war, had cooperated with the
revolutionaries, rightly assuming that Armenian rebellion in wartime
could only assist Russian conquest.

Armenian revolutionaries resolved to take advantage of the best chance
they had ever seen for successful rebellion. The war had claimed all
the soldiers who would ordinarily be stationed in the Eastern provinces.
Even the 'gendarmes' (paramilitary rural police force) had been sent to
the front. Those Muslims who remained behind were females and very old
and very young males. The Muslim villages of Eastern Anatolia were in
essence defenseless.

In theory, young Armenian males should have been conscripted into the
army along with Muslims, but tens of thousands escaped to join guerilla
bands or fled to Russia, ultimately to join the Russian army or its
Armenian auxiliaries.

Soon after the war began, Armenian bands were raiding all over Eastern
Anatolia. Some sprang up locally and immediately began their attacks.
Others were made up of Armenians who had crossed the Russian border
for training and returned, organized into guerrilla bands. Guerrillas
from Anatolia were joined by Armenians from the Russian Empire, largely
recruited by the Dashnak Party and armed by the Russian government. The
bands were a major military threat, not a minor irritant. The Ottomans
estimated 30,000 armed Armenian guerrillas in Sivas province alone.
Approximately 8,000 Armenians from Mush, Van, and Bitlis were trained
by the Russians in the town of Kaghizman alone, another 6,000 were trained
in Ighdir. No one accurately counted the numbers, but unquestionably there
were more than 100,000 Armenian guerrillas or other fighters from Anatolia
or the Russian territories fighting in Anatolia.

At first the Armenian rebels operated in classic guerrilla fashion,
destroying communications, hampering military and governmental activities,
and spreading terror. Recruiting units for the Ottoman Army came
under particular attacks, as did mail deliveries and telegraph lines.
Gendarmerie posts, their usual squads spread thin by the war, were
attacked. The first Muslim villages were raided. In short, the Armenian
guerrillas had begun to act as advance units of the Russian Army,
"softening up" the territory of intended Russian invasion. The Armenian
activities soon expanded.

In a very short time the Armenian guerrillas, aided by Armenian villagers
and deserters from the Ottoman Army, went to an advanced stage of
rebellion. They set about to seize the cities of the Ottoman East.
In most cases they were unsuccessful, and the cities (such as
Kara Hissar) or defensive redoubts (such as the famous Musa Dagh) which
they seized were only briefly held against Ottoman counter-attack. In
military terms, however, the rebel attacks were a success. The Ottomans
were forced to withdraw whole divisions from the Russian Front to meet
the internal threat from the Armenians. The result was Russian invasion
and the extermination of millions of Muslims by the Armenian genocide
squads.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 75," Archive No: 1-65, Cabin No: 149, Drawer No:
4, File No: 1847, Section No: 61(89), Contents No: 7-14, 7-15.
(To the Third Army Command - Group Commander Brig. Gen. Sevki)

"Following the occupation by Armenians after the Russian evacuation,
Armenians have burned and destroyed all Moslem villages and massacred
the people. This horrible deed, was not committed only West of Border
93 (The border at the time of 1877 - 1878 Ottoman - Russian War) but
also East of the border in Erivan, Gumru, Kars, Kagizman, Sarikamis
and partly in Ardahan and Ahilek in all the villages. The massacres
are confirmed by documentary proof and evidence.

Part of the incidents and occurrences investigated by military troops
in the operation regions are outlined below:

a. On 29 April, Moslems sent to Ahilek from Gumru on 500 carts,
were completely massacred by Armenians.

b. Villages of Zarudsad (Arpacay) district and of Melik were burnt
and inhabitants were massacred.

c. Again early in April, 67 villages of Suragil district were razed
to the ground.

d. An Armenian force, 1000-strong, equipped with machine guns and
two artillery guns in Kulp and vicinity, destroyed all villages
in Kulp and Erivan region, East of Kagizman.

e. On 1 May, a 100-strong Armenian cavalry gang murdered over 60
women, children and men in Sibes, Tepe, Duzkent and region. On
25 April, 570 Moslems from Subusan village East of Kars were
massacred by axes and knives and the corpses burnt. In Magisto
and Alaca villages, over 100 women, children and men were
murdered with the same brutality. All the inhabitants of Tekneli,
Haci Halil, Kalul, Harabe, Dagor, Milanli, Ketak, Alaca and Ilham
villages were massacred by Armenians.

f. On 1 May, the inhabitants of Dangal, Acarca, Mulabi, Morcahit,
Badigna, Havur, Koros villages burnt. Villages around Samran
Northeast of Erivan and around Boguylu North of Kinefski over
Arpacay were burnt and the inhabitants massacred. Many of our
soldiers were prisoners of war at Kars and many in Gumru were
bayonetted to death by Armenians in the presence of other Turkish
soldiers.

g. In short, the majority of the Moslem villages of Kars, Sarikamis,
Erivan, Ahilkelek, and Kagizman have been destroyed by Armenians.

h. The above are only small part of the crimes of Armenians in the
region. But these can be viewed as examples of the overall scene."

(more to come...)

"Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever
circumstances you find them. Turkish children also should be
killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation."
(Slogan of the Armenian Committees in 1914)

"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
(An Armenian officer who participated in "The Armenian Genocide of
the Muslims")

Hasan B-) Mutlu

hasan.b.mutlu

unread,

Mar 7, 1991, 1:40:36 PM3/7/91

In article <910306051...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,

DK...@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Dimitrios Kouvatsos), "the beacon of fraud,"

who has already committed a crime by forging usenet articles,
continued to threaten sct participants as a 'criminal' cheerleader
of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle.

>Subject: mutlu is getting scared

of the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle? If the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle's criminal members'
prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky, 'Kova Hazretleri.'
(Su Turkce ne guzel bir dil degil mi?). BTW, intrepidity stands between
the user and the hardware.

When the Armenian genocide of the Muslims is studied it can be observed
that the Armenian genocide squads, genocide associations and committees
were formed and many plans and programs to massacre millions of Muslims
were already made before World War I. Many Armenians were forced to
betrayal, rising and revolt through brainwashing, force and traditional
Armenian terrorism. Right from the beginning, those who had common sense
enough to predict the results of these genocide plans were silenced.
In the end the genocide squads and traitors discovered the fact that
they had been exploited, but it was too late. Hence, they had already
committed one of the greatest crimes of this century by exterminating
millions of defenseless Muslim women, children and elderly people.

What followed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims was a cultural
genocide which consists of eradicating the monuments and mosques
that testified the existence of Turks in that part of the world.
Some of the mosques, in fact, were used as target practice by
Armenian artillery, the Soviet army. To this day, Turks are denied
basic human rights in Soviet Union. There is no Turk living in
Soviet Armenia. The Turks cannot go to pilgrimage and worship in
Soviet Armenia because they don't have the freedom of travel.
Now, the last thing we have after the Turkish genocide is the
genocide of the truth by the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism Triangle.

By Jonathan Steele [Reprinted from "The Guardian"].

Summary: The international news media and the Armenian press have
offered extensive and prominent coverage to developments that affected
the peace and calm in the Soviet Caucasus, particularly the dispute over
Karabagh. In general, the news media played up the Armenian version of
the unrest in the area almost always shifting the blame to the Azeri
Turks. Jonathan Steele, a reporter for the influential London daily
'The Guardian' recently traveled to Soviet Azerbaijan and filled the
following report on events there. As readers will note Mr. Steele is
echoing the Azerbaijani version of events there, a version that is
somewhat different from what has already been seen in print. I am
reprinting Mr. Steele's report so that readers may become acquainted
with what the other side has to say without, of course, endorsing or
approving their explanations.

"Sadig Sadigov sits in a bare flat in Baku. He thinks back a great deal,
usually in anger, to his well-furnished ancestral home in the Gugarski
region of Armenia. At least he is alive, unlike his two neighbors and
their 16-year-old son whom he saw brutally killed by Armenians. 'Alim
Iskenderov came out of the house. A group of Armenians saw him. He tried
to run but they shot him four or five times. They started to kick his
body downhill, then they poured petrol on it and burned it. Then they
went into the house and killed his father, apparently by beating him.
I saw them drag his body out and burn it too.'

Now just turned 60, Sadigov was hiding in an orchard near the village
at the time he saw the atrocities last November. It was the day after
he and every other Azerbaijani in the village was urged by the Armenian
police and local authorities to get on a bus and leave forever. A year
earlier 350 Armenian families and 220 Azerbaijani ones lived peacefully
together. But after the killing of Armenians in Sumgait in Azerbaijan
in February, tension mounted. By November when demonstrations in Baku
raised tensions again, only 80 Azerbaijani families were left.

Those who obeyed the sudden order to get into buses found themselves
under attack a few miles down the road. A crowd of Armenians blocked
the way, stoned the bus and beat its terrified passengers, while police
looked on. Sadigov hid in a wood before making his way back to his
village orchard where he spent the night in the open. Later, he was
taken by the army to a secure village. After the earthquake everyone
was helped to leave for Georgia and Azerbaijan.

His story can be repeated many times over. By the official count
70 Azerbaijanis have been killed since the Sumgait events. Azerbaijani
intellectuals believe the number is higher, since many were murdered
on the road across the mountains as they tried to flee Azerbaijan, or
their bodies were burned. As a result of violence and intimidation
there is hardly a single Azerbaijani left in Armenia. Some 130,000
people have fled in a mass transfer which justifies the fear expressed
last year that what was happening in the Caucasus was a Soviet Sri
Lanka. About a third of the half million Armenians in Azerbaijan also
left but 40,000 have since returned. The high Azerbaijani death toll and
the total evacuation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia are seen in the
Azerbaijani capital, Baku, as evidence that their side's suffering in
the ethnic turmoil has been the greater. 'At least three times as many
Azerbaijanis have been killed as Armenians were murdered in the Sumgait
tragedy. Yet our story is ignored. Because they are Christian, the
central Soviet press is well as Europe and the United States give them a
sympathetic ear. We are portrayed as wild animals,' says Nadzhar
Nadzharov, a department head at the Azerbaijani Party paper, Barinski."

By the 1700s, there was no large area in which Armenians made up enough
of the population to be the majority in an Armenian state. No province
of the Ottoman, Persian, or Russian Empires had enough Armenians to make
up an Armenia. For example, even much later, in the late 1800s, after
Armenians had migrated and concentrated their population, in no province
of the Ottoman Empire was more than one-third of the population Armenian.
The majority were in fact Muslims - Turks, Kurds, and many other ethnic
groups who identified themselves primarily by religion as Muslims.
In the 1790s Armenian Archibishop Argutinskii-Dolgorukov preached that
the rule of their Muslim lords should end through conquest of Russia
into the Caucasus. At the time and until the establishment of the Soviet
Republic of Armenia, Armenians have remained the minority of the population
in the lands that they lived. After massacres, genocide and forced immigration
of the Turkish majority, the Armenians became a majority in Armenia as
it is today. In Yerevan province the Armenian government applied by
then traditional tactics in clearing the Armenian Republic of Turks. Massacres
and destroyed villages were an incentive to flight for Turks. By the end of
the conflict, 180,000 Muslims, more than two-thirds of the Muslim population
of Yerevan province, had either been slaughtered by the Armenians or forced
to flee.

>>From: h...@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
>>Keywords: Addressing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle's cheerleader(s) and criminals (120)
>>Date: 4 Mar 91 14:19:05 GMT
>>Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

>>In article <910301230...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,
>>DK...@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Dimitrios Kouvatsos), "the beacon of fraud,"
>>who has already committed a crime by forging usenet articles in
>>cooperation with the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
>>and Revisionism Triangle (references will be posted upon request)

> Yo, mutlu is getting improved!

Then, let me further improve this one for you.

"It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes
committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities
in the villages...

> You dare no longer call ME a member of your "Terrorism and
>Revisionism Triangle" any more, huh?

Who says so? You seem to be talking to yourself, 'barbarian' member
of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.

Source: Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes
and its historical context," 1986, pp. 124-138

Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-down
=============================================

10) May 17, 1976 - Frankfurt, Essen, Cologne
Consulates in Frankfurt, Essen, and Cologne are the targets of
the simultaneous bomb attacks.

11) May 28, 1976 - Zurich
Bomb attacks at the offices of the Turkish labor attache and
the "Garanti Bankasi". Extensive damage. A bomb in the Turkish
Tourism Bureau is defused in time. Responsibility is claimed by
the JCAG.

12) May 2, 1977 - Beirut
The cars of the military attache, Nahit Karakay, and the
administrative attache, Ilhan Ozbabacan, are destroyed. The two
diplomats are uninjured. Credit is claimed by the ASALA.

13) May 14, 1977 - Paris
Bomb attack at the Turkish Tourism Bureau. Extensive damage. The
"New Armenian Resistance Group" claims responsibility.

14) June 6, 1977 - Zurich
Bomb attack at the store of a Turkish citizen, Huseyin Bulbul.

15) June 9, 1977 - Rome
Assassination of the Turkish Ambassador to the Holy See, Taha Carim.
He dies soon after the attack. The JCAG claims responsibility.

16) October 4, 1977 - Los Angeles
A bomb explodes in front of the house of the American-Jewish
university professor, Stanford Shaw, who teaches Ottoman history in
Los Angeles and has also published a two-volume "History of the
Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey". The aim is apparently to intimidate
the historian. Responsibility is claimed by an "Armenian Group of 28".

17) January 2, 1978 - Brussels
Bomb attack at a building containing Turkish banking services.
The "New Armenian Resistance" claims credit.

18) June 2, 1972 - Madrid
Terrorist attack on the automobile of the Turkish ambassador, Zeki
Kuneralp. His wife, Necla Kuneralp and retired Turkish Ambassador
Besir Balcioglu die immediately in the rain of gunfire. The Spanish
chauffeur, Antonio Torres, dies of his injuries in the hospital.
ASALA and JCAG fight over responsibility.

19) December 6, 1978 - Geneva
A bomb explodes in front of the Turkish Consulate. Extensive damage.
The "New Armenian Resistance Group" claims responsibility.

20) December 17, 1978 - Geneva
A bomb explodes at the THY Bureau. Responsibility is claimed by
ASALA.

21) July 8, 1979 - Paris
The French capital is shaken by four bomb attacks in a single day.
The first at the THY offices; the next at the offices of the
Turkish labor attache; the third in the Turkish Tourist Bureau.
A forth explosive, intended for the Turkish permanent representative
to the O.E.C.D., is defused before it explodes. the JCAG claims
responsibility.

22) August 22, 1979 - Geneva
A bomb is thrown at the car of the Turkish consul, Niyazi Adali.
The diplomat escapes unhurt. Two Swiss passers-by are injured.
Two cars are destroyed.

23) August 27, 1979 - Frankfurt
The offices of the THY are totally destroyed by an explosion.
A pedestrian is injured. The ASALA claims responsibility.

24) October 4, 1979 - Copenhagen
Two Danes are injured when a bomb explodes near the offices of THY.
ASALA claims credit.

25) October 12, 1979 - The Hague
A 27-year-old medical student Ahmed Benler, the son of Turkish
Ambassador Ozdemir Benler, is assassinated on the street by Armenian
terrorists. The murderers escape. JCAG and ASALA claim responsibility.

26) October 30, 1979 - Milan
The offices of THY are destroyed by a bomb explosion. ASALA claims
responsibility.

27) November 8, 1979 - Rome
The offices of the Turkish embassy's tourism attache are destroyed
by a bomb. ASALA claims responsibility.

28) November 18, 1979 - Paris
bomb explosions destroy the offices of THY, KLM and Lufthansa. Two
French policemen are injured. Responsibility is claimed by ASALA.

29) November 25, 1979 -Madrid
Bomb explosions in front of the offices of Trans World Airlines and
British Airways. ASALA,in claiming responsibility, states that the
attack are meant as a warning to the Pope to cancel his planned
visit to Turkey.

30) December 9, 1979 - Rome
Two bombs explode in downtown Rome,damaging the offices of Pan
American World Airways,and the Philippines Airways. Nine people are
injured in the terrorist attack. A "New Armenian Resistance Movement"
claims responsibility.

31) December 17, 1979 - London
Extensive damage is caused when a bomb explodes in front of the
THY offices. A "Front for the Liberation of Armenia" claims
responsibility.

32) December 22, 1979 - Paris
Yilmaz Colpan, the tourism attache at the Turkish Embassy, is
assassinated while walking on the Champs Elysees. Several groups,
including ASALA, JCAG, and the "Commandos of Armenian Militants
Against Genocide" wrestle over responsibility.

33) December 22, 1979 - Amsterdam
Heavy damage results from a bomb explosion in front of the THY
offices. ASALA claims credit.

34) December 23, 1979 - Rome
A bomb explodes in front of a World Council of Churches refugee
center, being used as a transit point for Armenian refugees from
Lebanon. ASALA claims credit for the attack and warns the Italians
authorities to halt "the Armenian Diasphora ".

35) December 23, 1979 - Rome
Three bomb explosions occur in front of the offices of Air France
and Trans World Airlines, injuring a dozen passers-by.ASALA claims
responsibility,stating that the bomb was placed "in reprisal
against the repressive measures of French authorities against the
Armenians in France".

36) January 10, 1980 - Teheran
A bomb explodes in front of the THY offices causes extensive
damages. ASALA claims responsibility.

37) January 20, 1980 - Madrid
A series bomb attacks,resulting in numerous injuries,occurs in front
of the offices of TWA, British Airways, Swissair, and Sabena. A
group calling itself the "Commandos for Justice for the Genocide of
the Armenians" claims credit for the attacks.

38) February 2, 1980 - Brussels
Two bombs explode within minutes of each other in front of the
downtown offices of THY and Aeroflot. The "New Armenian Resistance
Group" issues a communique in which they claim responsibility for
both attacks.

39) February 6, 1980 - Bern
A terrorist opens fire on Turkish Ambassador Dogan Turkmen, who
escapes with minor wounds. The would-be assassin, an Armenian named
Max Klindjian, is subsequently arrested in Marseilles and returned
to Switzerland for trial. The JCAG claims credit for the attack.

40) February 18, 1980 - Rome
The offices of Lufthansa, El Al, and Swissair are damaged by two
bomb attacks. Telephone messages give three reasons for the attacks:
(1) The Swiss behave "repressively" toward the Armenians;
(2) The Germans support "Turkish fascism";
(3) The Jews are Zionists. (ASALA)

41) March 10, 1980 - Rome
Bomb attacks on the THY and Turkish Tourism Bureau offices on the
Piazza Della republica. The blasts kill two Italians and injure
fourteen. Credit for the attack is claimed by the "New Armenian
Resistance of the Armenian Secret Army".

42) April 17, 1980 - Rome
The Turkish Ambassador to the Holy See, Vecdi Turel, is shot and
seriously wounded. His chauffeur, Tahsin Guvenc, is also slightly
wounded in the assassination attempt. JCAG claims responsibility.

43) May 19, 1980 - Marseilles
A rocket aimed at the Turkish Consulate in Marseilles is discovered
and defused prior to exploding. ASALA and a group calling itself
"Black April" claim credit for the attack.

44) July 31, 1980 - Athens
Galip Ozmen, the administrative attache at the Turkish Embassy,
and his family are attacked by Armenian terrorists while sitting
in their car. Galip Ozmen and his fourteen-year-old daughter,
Neslihan, are killed in the attack. His wife, Sevil, and his
sixteen-year-old-son, Kaan, are wounded. credit for the double
killing is claimed by ASALA.

45) August 5, 1980 - Lyon
Two terrorists storm into Turkish Consulate in Lyon and open fire,
killing two and injuring several other bystanders. ASALA claims
credit for the attack.

46) August 11, 1980 - New York
An "Armenian group" hurls paint bombs at the Turkish House. The
stated purpose of the attack is to "remind the imperialist Turkish
government of the crimes they have committed against the Armenian
people".

47) September 26, 1980 - Paris
Selcuk Bakkalbasi, the press counselor at the Turkish Embassy
is shot twice as he enters his home. Bakkalbasi survives but
is permanently paralyzed as a result of his injuries. ASALA
and a group calling itself the "Armenian Secret Army Organization"
claim responsibility.

48) October 3, 1980 - Geneva
Two Armenian terrorists are injured when a bomb they are preparing
explodes in their Geneva hotel room.The two, Suzy Mahseredjian
from Canoga Park, California, and Alexander Yenikomechian, are
arrested. Their arrests leads the formation of a new group called
"October 3 Organization", which subsequently strikes at Swiss targets.

49) October 3, 1980 - Milan
Two Italians are injured when a bomb explodes in front of the THY
offices. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

50) October 5, 1980 Madrid
The offices of Alitalia are rocked by a bomb explosion which
injures twelve individuals. The "Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia" claims responsibility.

"No sir, you will not find Armenians who will express disapproval or
distress for the assassination of Turkish governmental officials. It
is unfortunate that the attitude of the Turkish government vis-a-vis
Armenian demands dictates that more people have to die in pursuit of
justice."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

> You feel it shoved, huh? Enjoy, barbarian!

I always do, I always do. Keep up the good work, 'Karina Boyasi.'

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).

"Document No: 88," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 527, Section No: 732(2057), Contents No: 26-7.
(To the Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - 9th Army Commander
Sevki)

"For 4-5 months, Armenians in Erivan, Karabag and Nahcivan have been
committing all kinds of cruelties on the Moslem population. Particularly
in Erivan and Karabag, the Armenians have annihilated the Moslem
population by massacres, plunders and by forcing them to leave. Up-to-date,
thousands of Moslem families, have been forced to flee for their lives
in starvation to the Kars region. Those who could not flee or migrate
were annihilated. Files, documents and reports on this matter have been
from time to time submitted to the Supreme Command.

The Gang Leader named Antranik, who has directed the Armenian policy
of cruelty and brutality, has so far shed the blood of hundreds of
thousands of people. Also destroyed all the houses, still continuing
the same destruction in Karabag."

"Document No: 83," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 527, Section No: 718(2056), Contents No: 10.
(To the Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - Eastern Armies
Group Commander Halil)

"In a cable I received from the Caucasian Islamic Army Command it is
stated that in recent days Armenians have murdered over 100 Moslems
in Karabag and blocked the way for 300,000 Moslems in the region,
murdering women and children of Moslems who want to return thus
necessitating a joint operation from Azerbaidjan to the Southwest
and from Nahcivan Region to the Northeast for the protection of the
Moslem population.

As the problem of the Armenia - Azerbaidjan boundary is not yet solved,
it is certain that Armenians will annihilate the total Moslem
population of Karabag in order to claim the extension of their
boundaries."

"Document No: 85," Archive No: 4-6520, Cabin No: 170, Drawer
No: 2, File No: 3190, Section No: 64, Contents No: 3-24.
(To the Ministry of Defence, Department of Public Order No.
16077 - Commander, Eastern Armies Group, General Esat)

"An investigation and survey carried by the District Governor of
Yusufeli regarding the cruel and brutal acts by Armenians towards
the Islamic population resulted in the following information: Vahan
from Sedins district of Hodicor Village, accompanied by his gang of
30 armed men, have cruelly murdered 36 people from Yusufeli, and 150
people from Ispir. Later, in clashes with the people of the region,
40 people were killed and 15 wounded. After raping many women from
Demnurkot, Vasis, Netmah, Tunki and other villages in the region
he and his gang have fled to Batum and according to a letter received
from Erzurum Provincial authority today, they are still there."

"Document No: 69," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-4.
(To the 4th Army Command - General Lutfi)

"Please be advised that from the date of the liberation of Erzurum 12
March until 29 March, in the city of Erzurum alone the corpses of
2,127 Moslem males murdered by Armenians were found."

"Document No: 81," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 528, Section No: 1050(2063), Contents No: 1-14.
(To the Thunderbolt Armies Froup Command - Commander, Eastern
Armies Group, General Esat)

"Armenians had murdered some 200 Moslems in the village around Culfa
on the 9th Army Front, and an Armenian force of 2,000 infantry men
and 600 cavalry men, surrounded the town of Orduabad on the Aras river
70 kms southeast of Nahcivan, according to a document received from
the people of that village."

"Document No: 82," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 528, Section No: 1050(2069), Contents No: 1-15.
(To the Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - Eastern Armies
Group Acting Commander Esat)

"According to statements by Russian officers, Armenian Nasturies brutally
and cruelly murdered some 7,000 Moslem women, children and old people
in Dilman and some 3,000 in Rumiye.

Armenian officers are going everywhere, calling on Armenians to take
up arms. The Armenians will continue the war against Turks, expenses
to be financed by the British."

"Document No: 78," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 15-110, Drawer
No: 11-4, File No: 401, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 2.
(To His Excellency General Nazarbekov, Commander of Armenian
Army Corps at Kinakiri - Chairman of Ottoman Negotiation
Commission and Commander of Army Corps, Kazim Karabekir)

"It has been learnt from the statements of reliable people escaping
from the Erivan region that, Moslem population living under the
jurisdiction of the Government of the Armenian Republic, are not
yet free, and that many are still being massacred by Armenian gangs,
and their properties plundered."

"Document No: 47," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 2, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6-33, 6-34.
(To General Perjovalski, Commander-in-Chief of Russian Caucasian
Armies - Commander, Caucasian Front Ottoman Armies, General
Vehip Mehmet)

"Honorable General,

I am sorry to have the obligation of informing you with deep regret
how terrible and painful are the uninterrupted cruelties and abuses
by Armenians on the Moslem population of the Ottoman land under
Russian occupation, as is apparent once again with incidents
recently reported.

1. Son of Karamehmet and his four brothers from Zazalar village
now residing in Erzincan were cruelly hacked to death by Armenians
at the opium poppy mill.

2. Kurt Mehmet Aga in Demirciler of Erzincan was murdered while a
Moslem women was kidnapped by Armenians.

3. Former Municipal clerk of Erzincan Mehmet Efendi was kidnapped
by Armenians while his mother, his wife and his four year old child
were brutally murdered and their bodies dismembered.

4. Armenians attempted to abduct wife of Veysi, son of Gulbahar from
Arus, and Veysi was murdered as he resisted.

5. Armenians murdered Dursun, son of Saso Huseyin from Mezraa village
at his home.

6. Ismail, son of Mehmet from Pacenc was murdered by Armenians.

7. On 12 January, Armenians raided Kelaras village, shooting dead
seven Moslems after tying their hands.

8. On 7 January, a group of Armenians in Russian uniforms kidnapped
some 50 men and women from the Ful district on the Black Sea coast,
took them in the direction of Trabzon. The corpse of Huseyin Cavus
from Sahmelek village, four kms southwest of Sarli Pazari, who was
among those kidnapped, was later found in the Ful river.

9. Two Moslem from Kizilagac, seven kms south of Sarli Pazari were
found dead, apparently stabbed by bayonets, hands and legs tied.

10. An officer of Greek origin from Kar, provoked a few Armenian
and Greek enlisted men, climbing on the minaret of Ful mosque,
firing arms from the minaret, killing four Moslems who happened
to be in the vicinity.

11. Vasil and Kosti from Cemberogullari, from the village of
Erikli of Yurul, now settled in Gorele in cooperation with Greek
and Armenian soldiers, begun a massacre against the Moslem
inhabitants of the villages in the area, and unfortunately,
Russian soldiers took part in a number of actions, during which
women were subjected to inhuman and immoral attacks and humiliations.

12. For a month, Armenian gangs in Russian military uniforms have
massacred the Moslem inhabitants of Nefsi Sarli, Akkilise and
Inesil villages west of Sarli Pazari, plundering their properties
and raping them.

13. On 5 January, Armenian gangs raided Islam village Aralikos
between Filteroglu and Gokeli east of Gorele and the Kirikli
village seven and half kms east of Cavuslu, plundering the village.

14. An Armenian gang of 50 men raided Ardase district centre,
plundering properties and burning the market street.

The above incidents are based on concrete evidence and documents,
and I would like to point out that I have omitted incidents without
clear proof and it is also possible that there are many incidents
of which no information has yet reached us.

I wholeheartedly hope that measures and immediate action will be
taken and that these measures will be urgently implemented. Please
accept my deepest respects."

hasan.b.mutlu

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In article <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,
c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras), "the beacon of ignorance,"
continues to entertain us with non-points as a 'racist' cheerleader of
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle:

>That's right! So it is clear why Greeks shiver when Turkey stirs up
>"minority" issues. The plan worked in Cyprus, so it may work in
>Greece too, right ? And what is the only bet in Turkey's game ? That
>the Muslim Greeks have a strong consiousness (persistently fed by
>Turkey) that they are Turks and do not have the same interests with
>Greece, they are something different, something else,--> they ought to
>be autonomous (!!!!) or maybe "liberated" by mother Turkey (!!!).

Or slaughtered by the 'civilized fathers' as has been successfully
executed before, during and after World War I.

The following article was published in "The Jewish Times".

By Rachel A. Bortnick

"A more appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the
independent republic of Armenia (which lasted from 1918 to 1921),
which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that
republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated
in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."

It is time for the Soviet Armenia to publicly acknowledge the genocide
of the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship.
I demand justice on behalf of millions of innocent Muslims who have
been systematically exterminated by Dro "the butcher" and his
blood-thirsty Nazi marauders. And, the justice is long overdue.

The following is a partial list of the references on the Armenian
genocide of the Muslims (in English).

1."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis,
1926

Memoirs of an Armenian Army Officer translated to English and
published by a member of American "Near East Relief Organization."
Gives the whole account of the genocide of all Turkish and Moslem
people in Armenia organized and executed by Armenian Government and
Army. Also gives account of countless other massacres and atrocities
against the Turkish people in Armenia.

2."Adventures in the Near East," by A. Rawlinson,
Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925

Eyewitness account of the same genocide by a British Army Officer.

3."World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn,
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952

Another eyewitness account of the same genocide by an American
Officer.

4."From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne" by Avetis Aharonian,
The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17
(Spring 1964)

Memoirs of the chief Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference
were published in the Armenian Review Magazine in 13 articles from
Volume 15 (Fall 1962) to Volume 17 (Spring 1964). These memoirs
include an interview between Aharonian and British Foreign Minister
Lord Curzon in which above-mentioned genocide was discussed. The
official report mentioned by Lord Curzon is the report of British
High Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop.

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

Source: Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes
and its historical context," 1986, pp. 124-138

Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-Down
=============================================
(continues)

101) November 3, 1981 - Madrid
A bomb explodes in front of the Swissair offices, injuring three
persons. ASALA claims responsibility.

102) November 5, 1981 - Paris
A bomb explodes in the Gare de Lyon (train station), injuring one
person. The attack is claimed by the Armenian "Orly Organization".

103) November 12, 1981 - Beirut
Simultaneous bomb explosions occur in front of the three French
offices; the French Cultural Center; the Air France offices; and
the home of the French Consul. The "Orly Organization" claims
responsibility. This organization owes its name to the fact that
the French police arrested an Armenian at Orly Airport in Paris
because of forged papers. The idea now is to "bomb him free", as
the terrorists have done in other cases.

104) November 14, 1981 - Paris
A bomb explosion damages an automobile near the Eiffel Tower. "Orly".

105) November 14, 1981 - Paris
"Orly" launches a grenade attack on a group of tourists disembarking
from a sightseeing boat on the River Seine.

106) November 15, 1981 - Paris
"Orly" threatens to blow up an Air France airplane in flight.

107) November 15, 1981 - Beirut
Simultaneous bomb attacks are carried out against three targets:
the Union des Assurances de Paris; the Air France offices; and
the Banque Libano-Francaise. "Orly".

108) November 15, 1981 - Paris
A McDonald's restaurant is destroyed by "September-France".

109) November 16, 1981 - Paris
A bomb injures two innocent bystanders at the Gare de l'Est (rail-
road station). "Orly" claims responsibility.

110) November 18, 1981 - Paris
"Orly" announces it has planted a bomb at the Gare du Nord (rail-
road station). No explosive is found.

111) November 20, 1981 - Los Angeles
The Turkish Consulate in Beverly Hills suffers extensive damage.
The JCAG claims credit.

112) January 13, 1982 - Toronto
An ASALA bomb causes extensive damage to the Turkish Consulate.

113) January 17, 1982 - Geneva
Two bombs destroy parked cars. The ASALA "Ninth of June
Organization" claims credit.

114) January 17, 1982 - Paris
A bomb explodes at the Union of Banks and a second is disarmed at
the Credit Lyonnais. The "Orly Organization" is back in action.

115) January 19, 1982 - Paris
A bomb explodes in the Air France offices in the Palaos des
Congres. "Orly".

116) January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles
Kemal Arikan, the Turkish consul general in Los Angeles, is
assassinated by two terrorists while driving to work. A nineteen
year old is arrested and sentenced to life in prison.

117) March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts
Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to
Orhan Gunduz, the honorary Turkish consul in Boston, is blown up.
Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either he gives up his honorary
position or he will be "executed". He refuses. "Responsibility" -
the word seems to cringe when used in such a context - is claimed
by JCAG.

118) March 26, 1982 - Beirut
Two dead, sixteen injured in an explosion at a movie theater (which
frequently shows Turkish films). ASALA claims credit for the attack.

119) April 8, 1982 - Ottawa
Kani Gungor, the commercial attache at the Turkish Embassy in Ottawa,
is seriously wounded in an attack by Armenian terrorists in the
garage of his apartment house. ASALA claims responsibility.

120) April 24, 1982 - Dortmund, West Germany
Several Turkish-owned businesses suffer extensive damage in bomb
attacks. The "New Armenian Resistance Organization" claims
responsibility.

121) May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts
Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow
to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of
"honorary consul". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood.
President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye-
witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He
survives.. but falls silent. One of the most revolting "triumphs" in
the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder
brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer
within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing
in self-satisfaction.

122) May 10, 1982 - Geneva
Bombs explode at two banks. The attacks are claimed by the Armenian
"World Punishment Organization".

123) May 18, 1982 - Toronto
Four Armenians are arrested for trying to smuggle money out of the
country. The money was extorted from Armenians, a common practice
throughout the world. In the course of the investigation, it is
discovered that the terrorists fire-bombed the house of an Armenian
who refused to make his contribution to Armenian terrorism.

124) May 18, 1982 - Tampa, Florida
N. Karahan, the honorary Turkish consul, defends his office with
gun in hand. The Armenian terrorist flees.

125) May 26, 1982 - Los Angeles
A bomb damages the office of the Swiss Banking Corporation.
The suspects: four Armenians accused of involvement in ASALA.

126) May 30, 1982 - Los Angeles
Three members of ASALA are arrested when planting a bomb in the
Air Canada cargo-office.

127) June 7, 1982 - Lisbon
The administrative attache at the Turkish Embassy, Erkut Akbay,
and his wife, Nadide Akbay, are assassinated in front of their home.
JCAG claims responsibility.

128) July 1, 1982 - Rotterdam
Kemalettin Demirer, the Turkish consul general in Rotterdam, is shot
down by four Armenian terrorists. An "Armenian Red Army" claims
responsibility.

129) July 21, 1982 - Paris
Sixteen injured in a bomb explosion near a cafe in the Place Saint-
Sevrin. Credit is claimed by the Orly Organization. "Orly" complains
that the French do not treat the arrested Armenian terrorists as
"political prisoners", but rather as normal criminals.

130) July 26, 1982 - Paris
"Orly" is responsible for injuring two women in an explosion in
Paris' Pub Saint-Germain.

131) August 2, 1982 - Paris
Pierre Gulumian, an Armenian terrorist, is killed when a bomb he
is making explodes in his face.

132) August 7, 1982 - Ankara, Esenboga Airport
Two Armenian terrorists open fire in a crowded passenger waiting
room. One of the terrorists takes more than twenty hostages while
the second is apprehended by police. The unscrupulous killers, who
have been perfectly indoctrinated in their "ideology", leave nine
people dead and eighty-two injured - some seriously. The surviving
terrorist, Levon Ekmekjian, realizes the horror of his crime before
his execution. He issues a strong appeal to his young comrades to
reject the program of murder, as it is based on deceptive teachings.

133) August 8, 1982 - Paris
A bomb is defused in time. "Orly" regrets the discovery.

134) August 12, 1982 - Paris
Terrorists open fire on a policeman assigned to protect the
offices of the Turkish tourism attache. Luckily, he escapes without
injury.

135) August 27, 1982 - Ottawa
Colonel Atilla Altikat, the military attache at the Turkish
Embassy, is assassinated in his car. JCAG claims responsibility.

136) September 9, 1982 - Burgaz, Bulgaria
Bora Suelkan, the administrative attache at the Turkish Consulate
in Burgaz, is assassinated in front of his home. The assassin leaves
a message "We shot dead the Turkish diplomat: Combat Units of Justice
Against the Armenian Genocide." An anonymous caller claims the
assassination is the work of a branch of the ASALA headquarters in
Beirut.

137) October 26, 1982 - Los Angeles
Five Armenian terrorists are charged with conspiring to blow up
the offices of the honorary Turkish consul in Philadelphia. All
belong to the JCAG.

138) December 8, 1982 - Athens
Two Armenians on a motorbike throw a bomb at the offices of the
Saudi Arabian Airlines. The bomb hits a power pylon, explodes, and
kills one of the terrorists. His accomplice, an Armenian from Iran
named Vaheh Kontaverdian, is arrested. It is later revealed that
ASALA ordered the attack because Saudi Arabia maintains friendly
relations with Turkey.

139) January 21, 1983 - Anaheim, California
Nine "sophisticated" pipe bombs are confiscated from an Armenian
bakery after one the detonators goes off and causes a fire.

140) January 22, 1983 - Paris
Two terrorists attack the offices of THY with hand grenades.
No one is injured. ASALA claims credit.

141) January 22, 1983 - Paris
French police defuse a powerful explosive device near the THY
counter at Orly airport.

142) February 2, 1983 - Brussels
The offices of THY are bombed. The "New Armenian Resistance
Organization" claims responsibility.

143) February 28, 1983 - Luxembourg
A bomb placed in front of Turkey's diplomatic mission is defused.
The Armenian Reporter in New York reports that the "New
Armenian Resistance Organization" is responsible.

144) February 28, 1983 - Paris
A bomb explodes at the Marmara Travel Agency. Killed in the
explosion is Renee Morin, a French secretary. Four other Frenchmen
are wounded. A few minutes after the attack, ASALA claims
responsibility.

145) March 9, 1983 - Belgrade, Yugoslavia
Galip Balkar, the Turkish ambassador to Yugoslavia, is assassinated
in central Belgrade. His chauffeur, Necati Kayar, is shot in the
stomach. As the two assailants flee from the scene, they are bravely
pursued by Yugoslav citizens. One of the terrorists shoots and
wounds a Yugoslav colonel, and is turn apprehended by a policeman.
The second terrorist opens fire on civilians who are chasing him,
killing a young student and wounding a young girl. The Two terrorists,
Kirkor Levonian and Raffi Elbekian, are put on trial and sentenced.

146) March 31, 1983 - Frankfurt
An anonymous caller threatens to bomb the offices and kill the
staff of Tercuman newspaper, a Turkish daily.

147) May 24, 1983 - Brussels
Bomb explode in front of the Turkish Embassy's Culture and
Information offices and in front of a Turkish-owned travel agency.
The Italian director of the travel agency is wounded. ASALA claims
credit.

148) June 16, 1983 - Istanbul
Armenian terrorists carry out an attack with hand grenades and
automatic weapons inside the bazaar in Istanbul. Two dead, twenty-
one wounded. ASALA claims responsibility.

149) July 8, 1983 - Paris
Armenian terrorists attack the offices of the British Council,
protesting against the trail of Armenians in London.

150) July 14, 1983 - Brussels
Armenian terrorists murder Dursun Aksoy, the administrative attache
at the Turkish Embassy. Three groups compete for the DISHONOR
of having organized the death squad: ASALA; JCAG; and "Armenian
revolutionary Army".

151) July 15, 1983 - Paris
A bomb explodes in front of the THY counter at Orly Airport. Eight
dead, more than sixty injured. A twenty-nine-year-old Syrian-
Armenian named Varadjian Garbidjian confesses to having planted
the bomb. He admits that the bomb was intended to have exploded
once the plane was airborne.

152) July 15, 1983 - London
A bomb, similar to the one that exploded at Orly, is defused in
time. ASALA claims responsibility for both attacks.

153) July 18, 1983 - Lyon
A bomb threat is made by ASALA against the Lyon railroad station.

154) July 20, 1983 - Lyon
Panicky evacuation of Lyon's Gare de Perrache (railroad station)
following a bomb threat from ASALA.

155) July 22, 1983 - Teheran
"Orly" carries out bomb attacks on the French Embassy and Air
France.

156) July 27, 1983 - Lisbon
Five Armenian terrorists attempt to storm the Turkish Embassy in
Lisbon. failing to gain access to the chancery, they occupy the
residence, taking the deputy chief of the mission, his wife and
family hostage. When explosives being planted by the terrorists
go off, Cahide Mihcioglu (the wife of the DCM) and four of the
terrorists are blown to pieces. The DCM, Yurtsev Mihcioglu, and
his son Atasay are injured. The fifth terrorist is killed in the
initial assault by Turkish security forces. One Portuguese
policeman is also killed and another wounded. The ARA claims
responsibility.

157) July 28, 1983 - Lyon
Another bomb threat on Lyon-Perrache railroad station. (ASALA)

158) July 29, 1983 - Teheran
A threat to blow up the French Embassy in Teheran with a rocket
attack causes Iranian officials to increase security at the
facility.

159) July 31, 1983 - Lyon & Rennes, France
Bomb threats from Armenian terrorists force the emergency landing
of two domestic French flights carrying 424 passengers.

160) August 10, 1983 - Teheran
A bomb explodes in an automobile at the French Embassy. ASALA
claims credit responsibility.

161) August 25, 1983 - Bonn
A whole series of bomb attacks against offices of the French
Consulate claim two lives and leave twenty-three injured. ASALA
claims responsibility.

162) September 9, 1983 - Teheran
Two French Embassy cars are fire-bombed. One of the bombs injures
two embassy staff members. ASALA claims credit.

163) October 1, 1983 - Marseilles
A bomb blast destroys the U.S., Soviet, and Algerian pavilions
at an international trade fair in Marseilles. One person is
killed and twenty-six injured. ASALA and "Orly" claim credit.

164) October 6, 1983 - Teheran
A French Embassy vehicle is bombed, injuring two passengers.
"Orly".

165) October 29, 1983 - Beirut
Hand-grenade attack on the French Embassy. One of the ASALA
terrorists is arrested.

166) October 29, 1983 - Beirut
The Turkish Embassy is attacked by three Armenian terrorists.
One of the assailants, a nineteen year old Lebanese-Armenian is
apprehended. ASALA claims responsibility.

167) February 8, 1984 - Paris
Bomb threat on an Air France flight to New York.

168) March 28, 1984 - Teheran
A timed series of attacks is carried out against Turkish diplomats:
(1) Two Armenian terrorists shoot and seriously wound Ismail
Pamukcu, a master sergeant assigned to the office of the
Turkish military attache;
(2) Hasan Servet Oktem, first secretary of the Turkish Embassy,
is slightly wounded as he leaves his home;
(3) Ibrahim Ozdemir the administrative attache at the Turkish
Embassy, alerts police to two suspicious looking men. They
turn out to be Armenian terrorists and are arrested;
(4) In the afternoon, Iranian police arrest three more Armenian
terrorists outside the Turkish Embassy;
(5) An Armenian terrorist is killed when a bomb he is attempting
to plant in the car of the Turkish assistant commercial
counselor explodes prematurely. The dead terrorist is later
identified as an ASALA terrorist.

169) March 29, 1984 - Los Angeles
The ASALA sends a written threat, saying they will assassinate
Turkish athletes who take part in the Olympics.

170) April 8, 1984 - Beirut
ASALA issues a communique warning that all flights to Turkey will
be considered military targets.

171) April 26, 1984 - Ankara
The Turkish prime minister, Turgut Ozal, receives a threat warning
him that if he goes ahead with a planned visit to Teheran, ASALA
will schedule a major terrorist operation against his country.

172) April 28, 1984 - Teheran
Two Armenian terrorists riding a motorcycle open fire on Isik Yonder
as he drives his wife, Sadiye Yonder, to the Turkish Embassy where
she works. Isik Yonder is killed, and ASALA claims credit for yet
another senseless murder.

173) June 20, 1984 - Vienna
A bomb explodes in a car belonging to Erdogan Ozen, an assistant
labor and social affairs counselor at the Turkish Embassy in Vienna.
Ozen is killed and five others seriously wounded, including a
policeman who will endure tremendous agony in the years to come.
ARA terrorists claim credit for the crime.

174) June 25, 1984 - Los Angeles
A news agency office in France receives a letter threatening to
attack all governments, organizations and companies which assist,
in any way whatsoever, Turkey's team at the Los Angeles Olympics.

175) July 14, 1984 - Brussels
Dursun Aksoy, the administrative attache at the Turkish Embassy,
is assassinated. ARA claims responsibility.

176) August 13, 1984 - Lyon
A bomb explodes in a Lyon train station causing minor damage.
ASALA claims credit.

177) September, 1984 - Teheran
Several Turkish owned firms come under attack after receiving
warning letters informing them that they are to be targeted.
The first victim is the Sezai Turkes Company. A Turkish
employee is injured while fighting with the fire caused by the
explosion. A chain of "smaller" acts of intimidation follows.

178) September 1, 1984 - Teheran
Iranian authorities expose a plot to assassinate Ismet Birsel,
the Turkish ambassador to Teheran.

179) September 3, 1984 - Istanbul
Two Armenian terrorists die as one of their bombs goes off too
soon. The ARA claims credit.

180) November 19, 1984 - Vienna
Enver Ergun, Deputy Director of the Centre for Social Development
and Humanitarian Affairs of the United Nations, Vienna is
assassinated while driving to work. The assassins leave a flag
with the initials "A.R.A." on his corpse.

181) December 1984, Brussels
Authorities are able to thrawt a bombing attempt at the residence
of Selcuk Incesu, an official at the Turkish Embassy.

182) December 29, 1984 - Beirut
Two French buildings in East Beirut are bombed. ASALA claims credit.

183) December 29, 1984 - Paris
Following an ASALA threat to blow up an Air France plane, police
increase security at the Charles de Gaulle Airport.

184) January 3, 1985 - Beirut
The offices of Agence France Presse are extensively damaged when
a bomb explodes.

185) March 3, 1985 - Paris
An anonymous caller to Agence France Presse threatens to attack
French interests throughout the world due to the verdict meted
out to three terrorists who participated in the Orly attack.

186) March 12, 1985 - Ottawa
Three heavily armed terrorists storm the Turkish Embassy, killing
a Canadian security guard in the process. After blowing up the
front door, the gunmen enter the building. Ambassador Coskun Kirca
manages to escape but suffers extensive injuries. He remains lying
on the ground throughout the siege. Finally the hostages (who include
the wife and daughter of the ambassador) are released, and the
terrorists surrender. The ARA claims responsibility.

187) March 26, 1985 - Toronto
A threat to blow up the city of Toronto's transit system leads to
chaos during the city's rush hour. An Armenian Secret Army for
the Liberation of Our Homeland" claims responsibility for the
threat.

188) November 1985, Brussels
A special anti-terrorist security squad of the Belgian police
exposes and arrests three Armenian terrorists with Portuguese
passports. They were planning an attack on Turkish officers at
NATO headquarters,

189) November 28, 1985 - Paris
French police arrest the American-Armenian leader of the terrorist
organization known as the "Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia - Revolutionary Movement" (ASALA-RM) Mr. Monte Melkonian.
Melkonian was formerly a top lieutenant of Hagop Hagopian, the
founder of ASALA, until he (Melkonian) formed his own terror
organization (ASALA-RM) following the attack on Orly Airport. In
Melkonian's apartment, police confiscate weapons, explosive devices,
and arrival and departure information on Turkish ships scheduled to
visit France. in addition, they found a picture of Turkey's
ambassador to France, Adnan Bulak. This leads to speculation that the
ambassador may have been targeted for assassination.

190) December 1985, Paris
Forty-one shoppers in two of Paris' leading department stores
(Gallerie Lafayette & Printemps) are injured (twelve seriously)
when nearly simultaneous bomb explosions rip through the stores.
In ensuing panic, some 10,000 Christmas shoppers flee into the streets.

191) November 23, 1986 - Melbourne, Australia
2:15 a.m. - Explosion in front of the Turkish Consulate. One dead,
presumably the perpetrator, and one Australian injured.

Cris Koutsougeras

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Mar 8, 1991, 5:48:07 AM3/8/91

In article <1991Mar7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com> h...@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>In article <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,
>c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras), "the beacon of ignorance,"
>continues to entertain us with non-points as a 'racist' cheerleader of
>the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle:

> [stuff deleted]

Mutlu I warn you again : cut your slime out. Stop that slime which
you have invented about terrorism. Some lawyers would love to become
rich at your expence. Period.

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 8, 1991, 1:53:09 AM3/8/91

Source: Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes
and its historical context," 1986, pp. 124-138

Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-down
=============================================

killing two and injuring several other bystanders. ASALA claims
credit for the attack.

46) August 11, 1980 - New York

An "Armenian group" hurls paint bombs at the Turkish House. The
stated purpose of the attack is to "remind the imperialist Turkish
government of the crimes they have committed against the Armenian
people".

49) October 3, 1980 - Milan
Two Italians are injured when a bomb explodes in front of the THY
offices. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

50) October 5, 1980 Madrid
The offices of Alitalia are rocked by a bomb explosion which

injures twelve individuals. The "Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia" claims responsibility.

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

"Honorable General,

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 8, 1991, 1:55:58 AM3/8/91

In article <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,
c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras), "the beacon of ignorance,"

By Rachel A. Bortnick

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

Source: Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes
and its historical context," 1986, pp. 124-138

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 8, 1991, 1:44:04 PM3/8/91

In articles <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu> and

<65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras),

"the beacon of ignorance," continued to entertain us with non-points

as a 'racist' cheerleader of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle:

>It does not seem... hmmmm well that's what we have been discussing here.
>And after all it does not seem...
>Yes they do! And even more. Example : Turkey is the only reason Greece
>needs an army or weapons. In the case Turkey decides that she wants
>some Greek islands who will get drafted ? The muslims ? Or will Sadik
>go and scream at the Security Council against Turkey ?

This was the sort of racist justification for the extermination of
millions of Muslims by the blood-thirsty leaders of the Armenian
Dictatorship before, during and after World War I. No sign of change
in mentality.

After unsuccessful bloody uprisings in 1895 (25,000 Muslim women,
children and elderly people were ruthlessly slaughtered by the
Armenians in Zeytun) and 1909, the revolutionaries' chance came in
1914, when Russia went to war with the Ottoman Empire. Armenian
genocide of the Muslims started in the empire, and Russian arms and
even Russian uniforms appeared from hidden caches. Hundreds of thousands
of Armenians formed themselves into guerilla bands and genocide squads.
The largest city of southeastern Anatolia, Van, was captured by the
Armenian genocide squads in April 1915, and the entire Muslim population
of the city and surrounding villages were massacred. Indeed, an
Armenian newspaper, Gochnak, reported at the time that 'only 1,500
Turks remain in Van. The rest had been slaughtered.' Earlier, the Van
region's leading Armenian representative in the Ottoman Parliament
had called upon Armenians 'to serve as advance units for the Russian
armies' as they invaded Anatolia. The city was held until it could be
turned over to the invading Russian army. Throughout eastern Anatolia,
Armenian genocide squads attacked villagers wherever they found them
as I presented with the original Ottoman documents and foreign accounts.

During World War I, when Ottoman forces were fighting on five fronts,
they also faced an armed uprising of Armenians. At the instigation
and with the support of Czarist Russia, Armenian genocide squads
sought to establish an Armenian state in an area that was predominantly
Turkish.

The British forces occupying Istanbul carried out exhaustive searches
of the Ottoman archives, as well as those of other countries, in an
attempt to substantiate Armenian hoax. After three years, during
which over 100 Ottoman military and political leaders were held in
detention, the British Crown law officers dropped all charges:
Not only was there insufficient evidence to convict anyone of war
crimes, there was no evidence to warrant a trial.

Racist and mentally unstable Henry Morgenthau's absolute reliance
on selected Armenian accounts was naive and credulous. The subsequent
U.S. Ambassador, Admiral Mark Bristol, wrote:

"Unfortunately, the missionaries...tell only one side of the story...
disclosing only the best qualities of the Armenians...without
telling their bad qualities."

The weight of evidence proves clearly that the alleged Ottoman
document of Sept. 16, 1915, is crude forgery. The 1922 British
investigation rejected it as evidence when it was determined
that it had been forged by an Armenian delegation. Its form,
script and phraseology all point to its dubious origins.
Weighted against it is the mass of unchallenged Ottoman documents
demonstrating the Government's resolve to conduct the relocations
under the best conditions attainable.

John Dewey stated that

"the Armenians traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the
Russian invader"

and

"burned at least 100 Turkish villages and exterminated their
population."

As for the quotation(s) from various Armenian terrorist organizations,
surely this is not the first time members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
Triangle have cited forged documents and fabrications from an unfolding
Armenian propaganda movie script as a historical source.

Armenian guerilla groups carried out their previously declared intention of
attacking the Ottoman Empire while it was engaged in war. At the outset
they developed a plan for an Empire-wide revolt for the purpose of undermining
the Ottoman war effort and enabling Russia to occupy the lands claimed by
the Armenians. Starting already mid-1914, arms and ammunition were distributed
to secret Armenian bands organized in villages in the Eastern part of the
Empire. Soon after the war started, even before the Russian armies invaded
Anatolia, Armenians revolted in the area of Van, massacring most of the
Muslims in the vicinity and establishing their own independent state. As
the Russians occupied Eastern Anatolia in 1914 and 1915, the excesses of the
Armenian 'genocide squads' who accompanied them were so severe that they
had to be retired by the Russians to the rear lines to stop the barbarities.

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"In April 1915, even before the deportation orders were issued, Dashnaks
from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose
33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an
Armenian majority of any city in the Empire... Leaving Erivan on April
28, 1915, only a day after the deportation orders had been issued in
Istanbul and long before news of them could have reached the east,
Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried
out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the
next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
southern side of the lake."

Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

"When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster
of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular
Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of
these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer..
These Armenian volunteers, in order to avenge their compatriots who
had been massacred by the Kurds, committed all kinds of excesses, more
than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in
the eastern vilayets of Turkey."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918).
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881. "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"
Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869.

"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part
of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
left behind after their occupation of this area."

>A wonderfull illustration of the "due process". The "happening"
>though is that Turkey and some people here misled by the Turkish
>officials commending, flares up the minority issue and what they use
>in order to prove their claims is Sadik's case. Sadik is disloyal, he
>does not miss a chance to prove and declare it IN THE PARLIAMENT and
>outside it, AND he is NOT in jale. According to what you've written
>above I understand that Sadik should be prosecuted and that
>prosecution is not any of Turkey's business.

Better advice yet, he ought to be slaughtered by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism Triangle (i.e., your handlers).

Let me now dwell upon the killing of Talat Pasha based on a great
historian's analysis for the rest of the netters, since some of the
cheerleaders seem to be still tap dancing to the same Armenian
propaganda movie scripts, fabrications, pseudo-scholar information
and forged documents. Nine days before Talat Pasha's assassination,
Aubrey Herbert, a British intelligence agent had a short meeting with him
in a park in a small German town. This meeting corroborated earlier
intelligence to the effect that Talat Pasha was seeking support
from Muslim countries to help Mustafa Kemal's movement, that he was
organizing abroad a serious opposition movement against the Allied
Powers, and that he was soon intending to take refuge in Ankara.
What is more, Talat Pasha also dared to make the threat that he was
going to incite the Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist movements against
England, unless she signed a peace treaty favorable for Turkey.[1]
This courageous action of Talat Pasha made the British very
anxious. Their intelligence service established contact with its
counterpart in the Soviet Union to evaluate the situation. Talat
Pasha's plans made the Russian officials as anxious as the British.
The two intelligence services collaborated and signed among them
the death warrant of Talat Pasha. Information concerning his
physical description and his whereabouts was forwarded to their men
in Germany.[2] However, it was decided that Armenian genocide squads
carry out the verdict. As a matter of fact, Talat Pasha was
assassinated with a single bullet on 5 March 1921 as he came out of
his house in Hardenbergstrasse, Charlottenburg, Berlin, by an
Armenian terrorist from Erzurum named Soghomon Tehlirian. Seven
weeks later, the event was distorted in court, and his trial was
transformed into a forum for accusing the Turks on account of the
Armenian hoax.[3] At the conclusion of the trial, the Turks were
pronounced guilty because of the false telegrams attributed to Talat
Pasha[4] and false witnesses who testified. Because of the opinion
initiated at this trial, where the Turkish side was not represented,
the Armenian assassinations which have continued until our day, have
been enjoying a political atmosphere which has helped to justify the
crimes of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle and to let the
murderers go free. In addition, Armenian genocide squads twice dared
to plot against Ataturk's life after the Turkish Republic was established.
In the first attempt, an idiot named Manok Manokian, a member of the
ARF in Greece, set out in April 1925 from Salonica to go to Istanbul.
His two co-conspirators followed the Iskenderun and Adana route and
were supposed to meet him in Ankara. However, Turkish security forces
caught Manokian on time and he was executed on 5 May 1925.[5] Two years
later, yet another blood-thirsty Armenian terrorist Mercan Altunian and
half a dozen co-conspirators were surrounded by the Turkish security
forces on September 14th at the Yildiz Nightclub before they could
reach Ataturk in Dolmabahce. In the fighting that broke out, two of the
terrorists were killed, and two policemen also lost their lives.
According to the British Ambassador in Turkey at that time, Moscow
which was getting more and more concerned about the fact that Turkey
was establishing closer ties with the West had organized this plot
behind the screen.[6]

[1] T. Cavdar, "Talat Pasha: Bir Orgut Ustasinin Yasam Oykusu," Ankara,
1984, p. 466. A. N. Herbert, "Ben Kendim: A Record of Eastern
Travel," New York, 1925.
[2] PRO, FO. 371/4142/128077, from the High Commissioner in Istanbul
to the Foreign Office in London, 4.xi.1919.
[3] M. Fisch, ed., "Le Proces de Tehlirian," Paris, 1981.
[4] S. Orel/S. Yuca, "The Talat Pasha Telegrams: Historical Fact or
Armenian Fiction?" Nicosia, 1986.
[5] F. Kandemir, "Ataturk'un Izmir Suikasdindan Ayri Onbir Suikast,"
Istanbul, 1955, pp. 110-111.
[6] BBA, BEO (S), K:34-54/12.

>Oh, everything is ok. Even Kurdish lately...

Even Albanian recently.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).

"Document No: 24," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 527, Section No: 2056, Contents No: 35.
(To the Office of the Supreme Commander of the Ottoman Army -
Commander of the 9th Army Sevki)

"Armenians surrounded the Islamic village of Hosrov in Armenia,
13 kilometers away from the border on the night of 20/21 October,
fought until the night of 21 October, massacred the Muslim
population, and pillaged the houses."

"Document No: 27," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 161, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2820, Section No: A(69), Contents No: 4.
(The coded message No: 3166 from Acting Supreme Commander Enver on
21 May 1915)

"It has been reported that outlaw leader Antranik and his 1,200
volunteers departed from Selmas and joined a Russian division
commanded by the Russian Commander of Azerbaijan, Chernoroyod;
and this band later proceeded in the direction of Baskale; and
that the Dashnaks have raised 4,700 rubles in Boston, United
States, for the volunteers and sent this sum to the Armenian
Assistance Association of Caucasia."

"Document No: 45," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 525, Section No: 2046, Contents No: 6-2, 6-3.
(The coded message No: 3804 from the 3rd Army to the Supreme
Command - Commander 3rd Army, Vehip)

"The headquarters of the 1st Caucasian Army Corps and of the 4th
Turkestan Division have moved on 26.1 from Erzincan to Erzurum.
Some 150 Russian soldiers remained in Erzincan to guard certain
depots and stores which have not yet been transferred to Erzurum.
Some 1000 Armenian, volunteers old and young, in uniforms or in
civilian have been observed in Erzincan. They are led by Murat,
one of Dashnak leaders.

Three mountain artillery guns were seen in the Church square in
Erzincan. The Moslem population is being secretly murdered by
Armenians while plundering and rape cases are widespread. Armenians
are also spreading information to the effect that very soon 20,000
infantry volunteers as well as banknotes printed on behalf of the
Armenian Government will soon reach Erzincan.

An Armenian gang, raided the Koska Moslem village some three Kms
south-west of Ardase, burning the houses, plundering their properties
and raping women. Inhabitants of Zekginc village 18 Kms south-east
of Erzincan suffered similar Armenian raids."

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In articles <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,

<65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras),
"the beacon of ignorance," continued to entertain us with non-points
as a 'racist' cheerleader of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle:

>>
>> ADDRESS MADE BY RAUF DENKTASH BEFORE THE SECURITY CONCIL,
>> DURING its CYPRUS DEBATE on Nov. 27, 1978

>etc. etc.

Meaning, 'nia, nia, nia.'

>It is not protection, it is occupation.

Your ignorance most probably cramps Cosar's conversation, 'samar oglani.'

Source: 'Athens Court of Appeals' Decision No. 2658.'

"(Date: March 21, 1979): The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, which
was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Accords, was legal.
Turkey, as one of the Guarantor Powers, had the right to fulfill her
obligations."

Anyhow, Armenian propagandists previously forged false documents to attribute
fake telegrams to Talat Pasha by way of proving 'official Ottoman policy
to massacre Armenians.' Again we are used to fake allegations concerning
so-called 'Hitler quotes', or 'Ataturk quotes.' These Armenian plots are
well known and accepted by scholars and historians. But the uninformed
American media which is faced by stagnant circulation and declining
advertisement revenues is largely at the mercy of local ethnic pressures
and professional Armenian propagandists and terrorists who have been churning
away one false allegation after another in the past 75 years. Given the fertile
imaginations and futile minds of Armenian polemicists and terrorists, the
coming years will undoubtedly witness the emergence of a new series of
forged documents and fabrications designed to buttress their Jello-like
story - a hoax.

It is widely known that Morgenthau's sources of intelligence in Turkey
were the officials of the Armenian Patriarchate and his chief translator
who was an Armenian. What is more important is that incorrect or incomplete
information did reach the highest decision-making authority in the United
States and was used as the basis for Armenian propaganda. As for Morgenthau,
although he never traveled beyond Uskudar (Scutari on the Anatolian side
of Istanbul), he claimed both in his memories and in his reports to the
Department of State that Turks oppressed Armenians in Anatolia (see H.
Morgenthau, "All in a Life Time," New York, 1923). When news concerning the
massacres committed by Armenians against the Muslims in Eastern Anatolia
following the occupation of this region by the Russian army in 1915 somehow
reached the United States of America, Borton wrote to Boghos Nubar to tell him
not to worry, because the American public opinion would not be affected by
these truths as, thanks to their efforts, it had an image of Turks as
savage and bloodthirsty nation (see J. L. Grabill, "Protestant Diplomacy and
the Near East: Missionary Influence on American Policy," 1810-1927,
Minneapolis, 1971, p. 291). Barton also added that no matter what the
Armenians might do, the image in America that Turks were the real criminals
would never change. Intensive propaganda spread over several years, had
blinded American public opinion to the fact that Turks were also human
beings. Once a nation is presented as a pack of 'non-humans,' as a bunch
of 'barbarians,' the public opinion will not oppose even the most severe
peace conditions against it.

If you look at Morgenthau, for example, Morgenthau believed that the
Turks were an inferior race, and openly printed his view that Turks
had inferior blood. It is no wonder that his observations show a
black and white situation where all Turks are evil and wrong,
and all Armenians are good and right. Such simplistic pictures can
qualify as radical wartime propaganda at best, outright racist rhetoric
at worst. While Morgenthau never left the conveniences of the capital,
Istanbul, and heavily relied on reports from the field, mainly from
missionaries, who would hardly ever talk about Moslem-Turkish suffering
but only concentrate on Christian-Armenian suffering in those reports,
Admiral Bristol, the US Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey later on,
was stationed in Anatolia, did go to war zones for first hand experiences
and observations, and did file comprehensive reports from the field
which were in stark contrast with racist Morgenthau's earlier reports. How
come the Armenian propagandists and terrorists always bring up a racist
in their Jello-like debates, but conveniently ignore Admiral Bristol? Who
is right? A confessed racist diplomat or an honorable soldier? Which one?

Let me further expose an undisputed racist diplomat's real face.
In his book, "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story"[1], he described the Turks
as "bullies and cowards, dull-witted and lazy," etc. Armenians, on the other
hand, were superior - he described them as "Aryans," who "regarded themselves
not as Asiatics, but as Europeans." His analysis of supposed Turkish reasons
for killing Armenians was a study in the pathology of racism: Morgenthau
declared that the Turks planned to kill the Armenian men, then take their
women and have children by them. Their reason, according to Morgenthau, was the
betterment of the Turkish race: "These Armenian girls represented a high type
of womanhood and the Young Turks, in their crude, intuitive way, recognized
that the mingling of their blood with the Turkish population would exert
a eugenic influence on the whole." No scholar has ever found any Turkish
belief in the Racial Superiority of the Armenians, but racist Morgenthau
chose to project his own beliefs on the Turks. It is fairly easy to see
why he found no evil in Armenians, but much evil in Turks.

Racist Morgenthau, and others like him, spread their beliefs among the
American populace in books, lectures, and newspaper articles. Their testimony
was welcomed by the clergy, who were gathering support against the Turks.

[1] "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story," Garden City, New York, 1918, pages 275,
288, 291, and 337.

Now, let us hear what an honorable soldier, U.S. Ambassador Bristol, had to
say on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims.

Rear Admiral Marc L. Bristol served in Turkey during the period of 1919-1928,
first as the Commander of U.S. Naval detachment in Turkey, and finally as the
first U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey. Letter, dated March 28, 1921
from Admiral Bristol to James Barton D.D., Secretary of the Foreign Department
of the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions and Dr. Barton's
reply, dated May 6, 1921 are instructive in demonstrating how a man like
Morgenthau, and indeed the entire Christian West, would develop anti-Turkish
attitudes under an incessant barrage of anti-Turkish propaganda. Let's examine
them.

Admiral Bristol writes:

"I see that reports are being freely circulated in the United States that the
Turks massacred thousands of Armenians in the Caucasus. Such reports are
repeated so many times it makes my blood boil. The Near East Relief have the
reports from Yarrow and our own American people which show absolutely that
such Armenian reports are absolutely false."

"In addition to the reports from our own American Relief workers that were in
Kars and Alexandrople, and reports from my own intelligence Officer and know
that the Armenian reports are not true."

"I was surprised to see Dr. McCallum send through a report along this line
from Constantinople. When I called attention to that report, it was stated
that it came from Armenians but the telegram did not state this, nor did it
state that Armenian reports were not confirmed by our own reports."

"I note that you state Armenia at that time was an established fact so far
as political recognition was concerned. I cannot understand this point of
view because the Sevres treaty was ratified by no one and there was no
possible hope of anybody ratifying this treaty. The determination of the
boundary of Armenia was based upon ratification of the treaty and in my
opinion should not have been made until after the treaty was ratified."

"The charge made by the Armenians in their papers that our relief organization
was using 80% of all the receipts for work with the Turks and Kurds is, I am
sure you will admit, in keeping with the accuracy of the statements that the
Armenians are given to making."

Dr. Barton replies:

"With reference to the false reports that come through reporting massacres
of the Armenians by the Turks, there is no one who can deprecate this more
than I do."

"There is a brilliant young Armenian, a graduate of Yale University, by the
name of Cardashian.... He is constantly reporting atrocities which never
occurred and giving endless misinformation with regard to the situation in
Armenia and in Turkey. We do not like to come out and attack him in public.
That would injure the whole cause we are all trying to serve, because people
would say that we are quarreling among ourselves and would lose confidence
in the whole concern."

Now, the Admiral Bristol's March 28, 1921 letter on the Armenian genocide of
the innocent Muslim children, women and elderly people.

"As long ago as last July, I reported officially to the Department that there
were strong Bolshevik feelings amongst the Armenians and that many of the Army
officers were Bolshevik in sentiment. I stated then it was only a question
of time when Armenia would go Bolshevik. Armenia did turn Bolshevik and was
not compelled to do so by the Russians."

"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars."

Need I add more? Why not.

During the period of 1915 Armenian events and its aftermath (1915-23)
two American Ambassadors (Mr. Henry Morgenthau, Sr. 1912 to end of 1915
and Mr. Abram Elkus, February 1916 to April 1917) and after the defeat
of Turkey one U.S. High Commissioner (Rear Admiral Marc L. Bristol,
1920-24) represented the U.S.A. in Turkey. Admiral Bristol later became
the first U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Turkey and served until 1928.

Both Mr. Morgenthau and Mr. Elkus were of Jewish faith and both known to
have strong interest in the Jewish affairs in Turkey, Palestine problem
and the Jewish homeland. Since the Armenian deportations started after
April 1915, Mr. Morgenthau was in a position to get information only for
its first six or seven month period, mainly to the first emotional
reaction, fear and anxiety in the Armenian community and also to the
widespread rumors created by this action. As an emotional man he was
deeply influenced by these rumors and third hand information.

Mr. Elkus was in a position to obtain information for a period of two
years from April 1915 to April 1917 (although he became Ambassador in
February 1916). Therefore he was in a much better position to know the
real causes, aims, and significance of the Armenian deportations and
knew much better about it than Mr. Morgenthau. Reports and evaluations
of Mr. Elkus were much different than those of Mr. Morgenthau. Characters,
political views and activities of these two U.S. Ambassadors to Turkey,
particularly the Armenian and Palestine problems, were evaluated in a
book, "Germany, Turkey and Zionism 1897-1918," Isaiah Friedman, Oxford, 1977,
and many other historical researches. These differences were due to their
different personalities and their views for the best solution of the
Palestine problem and attitude of the U.S. toward Turkey and Germany.
Mr. Morgenthau was described as a "charming, but over-emotional, erratic
and particularly untactful personality and sometimes acts as a bull in a
china store." He thought a British victory would provide the best solution
to the Palestine problem and Jewish homeland. He was strongly in favor
of U.S. participation in war on the side of England for a complete defeat
and destruction of Turkey. As a campaign manager of President Wilson in
1916 he raised the Armenian problem as a moral issue to convince the
U.S. people in favor of war.

Mr. Elkus was an entirely different personality and had very different
political views than Mr. Morgenthau. He was described as a quiet but
extremely efficient and tactful diplomat, achieving practical results
of far reaching consequences. He greatly valued good relations between
the U.S.A. and Turkey and restored it to an excellent relationship
which was in poor shape due to Mr. Morgenthau's untactfulness and
insults. He was against U.S. participation in war and strongly opposed
to U.S. declaration of war against Turkey and achieved it. Instead of
putting all the eggs into one basket, he tried to find a good solution
for the Jewish homeland either in a British or German victory or in a
negotiated peace. He understood and appreciated security and
precautionary measures taken against the Armenians by the Turkish
government. Insted of publicity or agitation he devoted his effort
to provide help to the deported Armenians. In this respect he achieved
a miracle which has no parallel in diplomatic history, which I will
mention a little later. While Mr. Morgenthau's statements caused
great anxiety and embarrassment in the European Jewish communities
and Zionist organizations, Mr. Elkus's efficient and logical diplomacy
was deeply appreciated and praised.

On the other hand the Armenians hailed Mr. Morgenthau as a hero and
champion of their cause due to his publicity and his condemnation of
the Turks; they completely ignored Mr. Elkus, although his efforts
saved the lives of hundreds of thousands Armenians, but he valued a
good relation between Turkey and the U.S.A., understood the cause of
the Armenian problem, and refused to condemn Turks.

Admiral Bristol is the third U.S. top official to serve in Turkey during
the turbulent years of war and its aftermath. He was one of the High
Commissioners of the four victorious allied powers in a defeated and
occupied country. He was in a position to reach and obtain all the records
and documents of the Ottoman Government. He was able to see all the grieved
Armenians, their religious community and political leaders and also all the
American missionaries and relief workers who stayed in Turkey and helped the
Armenians during the whole period of war. He visited the Republic of Armenia
and met her leaders and people.

Additionally he played host to two very important American Commissions
assigned by President Wilson:

1. General Harbord Commission - which was assigned to investigate the
feasibility of a proposed American mandate to Armenia and Turkey.

2. King-Crane Commission - which was in charge to investigate aspirations
and wishes of the different ethnic communities of the Ottoman Empire,
including the Turks and Armenians and to advise President Wilson for his
policy in the Peace Conference.

Both Commissions had staffs of experts including Armenians in each. Armenian
claims and grievances were thoroughly investigated by both Commissions.

He was also very familiar with the continuing Turks-Armenian and Turco-Greek
conflicts, particularly in respect to atrocities and massacres to the
civilian population. His staff members were eye-witnesses to those in
Armenia and he himself was the chairman of a Commission formed from four
Allied Military Commanders who investigated atrocities and massacres of the
civilian Turkish population by the Greek Army during their invasion of
Western Anatolia.

Therefore the whole Turkish-Armenian conflict during and after WWI and all
the alleged atrocities were an open book to Admiral Bristol. He was also
very familiar with all the intrigues, propaganda efforts, distortions
and lies both by British and Britains, Greek and Armenian satellites. All
of these were reported to the U.S. government by Admiral Bristol.

In such a position and authority, Admiral Bristol was certainly undisputedly
the best informed person to evaluate and judge the Armenian affair and
allegations directed against the Turks by Armenians and allied propagandists.
I recommend you to read all the official reports of Admiral Bristol to the
U.S. government.

Unfortunately for the Turks and Turkey while Mr. Morgenthau published
several books to show his racist anti-Turkish views, neither Mr. Elkus nor
Admiral Bristol made any commercial publications. However official
reports of these two personalities are available for historical research.
Admiral Bristol's papers are in the custody of U.S. Congress Library,
Washington, D.C. and much more easily obtainable. His reports were also
taken as reference in many historical researches by eminent authorities
of Middle-Eastern history and among many of those I will mention the
following three.

1. United States Policy and Partition of Turkey, Laurence Evans, The Johns
Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, Maryland, 1965.

2. The Partition of Turkey, Harry Howard, New York, 1966.

3. An American Inquiry in the Middle East, The King-Crane Commission,
Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963.

According to these historical researches, the reports of Admiral Bristol
and these two American Commissions of Inquiry revealed baselessness of
wartime Armenian and British atrocity and extermination allegations.
All these also strongly opposed Allied plans for the future of Armenia
and described it impractical and impossible. Admiral Bristol's reports
were also full of atrocities and genocides committed by Armenians against
the Turkish population. Some reports also strongly warned the U.S.
government against British and Armenian political intrigues and
violent propaganda activities.

>etc. etc.

I wonder why?

There were many Russian Armenians among the leaders and members of
the Hunchak Revolutionary Party.[1] The Hunchak Revolutionary Party
declared that its goal was to "free the Turkish Armenia" and Part IV
of its political program makes clear the methods to be used for this
purpose:

The only way of achieving our immediate goal is to start a revolution,
that is, using force to upset all order in the Turkish Armenia, forcing
the people to start a war against the Turkish Government with a general
revolution.

The means of these activities are:

1. Propaganda: using the press, publications and oral means to spread the
revolutionary ideas of Hunchak in the millet, and especially among the
workers, establishing a revolutionary organization among them, and
organizing revolutionary regiments.

2. Terror: using terror as punishment against Turkish administrators, secret
agents, informers, and traitors. Terror must be a means and a weapon for
protecting the revolutionary organization.

3. Raider regiments organization: military units kept ready to fight against...
government forces. These regiments can serve as vanguard regiments during
general revolutions.

4. General revolutionary organization: comprises several regular groups all of
which are attached to each other to form a unity and a harmonious whole,
all of which use the same tactics to advance in the same general and
common direction, and all of which are administered and directed by a
central committee.

5. Revolutionary regiments organization.

6. The declaration of a war by any state against Turkey should be considered
as the most opportune time for the general revolution, for the immediate
goal.

[1] L. Nalbandian, "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The Development
of Armenian Political Parties through the Nineteenth Century,"
(Los Angeles, 1963), pp. 105-118.

> [stuff deleted]

Why?

In any event, let us hear the Armenian genocide of the Muslims from the mouth
of a Russian officer - shall we?

Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
1987, pp. 45-53.

"The enmity between the Turks and Armenians, which has been well known
in Russia and Europe for a long time, was not expected to have
manifested itself once again, during the First World War. It was
already acknowledged that the Armenians hated the Turks. Furthermore,
the Armenians had always attempted to present themselves as an
oppressed and tortured community, and had always succeeded in creating
the impression of a community, cruelly oppressed by the Turks, because
of the specific character of their racial and religious enmity towards
those people not of their religion.

The Russians, who have had considerable relations with the Armenians
hold a somewhat different opinion about the Armenians. The Armenians
are in fact a despicable community, without any significant value.
These people can only continue their survival by exploiting others.
Moreover, the Russian peasants have their own opinions about the
Armenians.

I have frequently heard it said among Russian soldiers that the
Armenians are as rough as bears...Among the Russian troops, the
Armenians had always been considered as inferior. Those people
prefer to do anything rather than go to the front to fight. The
attempts at desertion among the Armenians and self-inflicted wounds
to avoid going to the war have justified this opinion.

The things I have heard and seen during the two months, until the
liberation of Erzurum by the Turks, have surpassed all the
allegations concerning the vicious, degenerate characteristic of
the Armenians. During the Russian occupation of Erzurum, no Armenian
was permitted to approach the city and its environs.

While the Commander of the First Army Corps, General Kaltiyin remained
in power, troops including Armenian enlisted men, were not sent to the
area. When the security measures were lifted, the Armenians began to
attack Erzurum and its surroundings. Following the attacks came the
plundering of the houses in the city and the villages and the murder
of the owners of these houses...Plundering was widely committed by
the soldiers. This plunder was mainly committed by Armenian soldiers
who had remained in the rear during the war.

One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of
soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of
seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud,
and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud
and dirt...

It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and
traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds
and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night
patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The
Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear
also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the
trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for
fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder
and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently.

Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir
Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander
in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days.
The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals
that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its
highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half
of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned.

...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief,
Odishelidge. they were as follows:

The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the
act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been
killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless
Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood
near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
the hole was full it would be covered over with soil.

The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one.
Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew
to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
destroyed the entire population, together with the villages.

During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages
that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the
Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers
were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time
when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill
the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries
of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the
Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would
have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from
acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with
hatred and loathing.

Lieutenant Medivani from the Russian Army described an incident that
he witnessed in Erzurum as follows: An Armenian had shot a Kurd. The
Kurd fell down but did not die. The Armenian attempted to force the
stick in his hand into the mouth of the dying Kurd. However, since
the Kurd had firmly closed his jaws in his agony, the Armenian failed
in his attempt. Having seen this, the Armenian ripped open the abdomen
of the Kurd, disembowelled him, and finally killed him by stamping
him with the iron heel of his boot.

Odishelidge himself told us that all the Turks who could not escape
from the village of Ilica were killed. Their heads had been cut off
by axes. He also told us that he had seen thousands of murdered
children. Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov, who passed through the village
of Ilica, three weeks after the massacre told us the following:

There were thousands of dead bodies hacked to pieces, on the roads.
Every Armenian who happened to pass through these roads, cursed and
spat on the corpses. In the courtyard of a mosque which was about
25x30 meter square, dead bodies were piled to a height of 140
centimeters. Among these corpses were men and women of every age,
children and old people. The women's bodies had obvious marks of
rape. The genitals of many girls were filled with gun-powder.

A few educated Armenian girls, who worked as telephone operators
for the Armenian troops were called by Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov
to the courtyard of the mosque and he bitterly told them to be
proud of what the Armenians had done. To the lieutenant colonel's
disgusted amazement, the Armenian girls started to laugh and giggle,
instead of being horrified. The lieutenant colonel had severely
reprimanded those girls for their indecent behaviour. When he told
the girls that the Armenians, including women, were generally more
licentious than even the wildest animals, and that their indecent
and shameful laughter was the most obvious evidence of their inhumanity
and barbarity, before a scene that appalled even veteran soldiers,
the Armenian girls finally remembered their sense of shame and
claimed they had laughed because they were nervous.

An Armenian contractor at the Alaca Communication zone command
narrated the following incident which took place on February 20:

The Armenians had nailed a Turkish women to the wall. They had cut
out the women's heart and placed the heart on top of her head.
The great massacre in Erzurum began on February 7... The enlisted men
of the artillery division caught and stripped 270 people. Then they
took these people into the bath to satisfy their lusts. 100 people
among this group were able to save their lives as the result of
my decisive attempts. The others, the Armenians claimed, were
released when they learnt that I understood what was going on.
Among those who organized this treacherous act was the envoy to the
Armenian officers, Karagodaviev. Today, some Turks were murdered
on the streets.

On February 12, some Armenians have shot more than ten innocent
Moslems. The Russian soldiers who attempted to save these people were
threatened with death. Meanwhile I imprisoned an Armenian for
murdering an innocent Turk.

When an Armenian officer told an Armenian murderer that he would
be hanged for his crime, the killer shouted furiously: 'How dare
you hang an Armenian for killing a Turk?' In Erzurum, the
Armenians burned down the Turkish market. On February 17, I heard
that the entire population of Tepekoy village, situated within
the artillery area, had been totally annihilated. On the same
day when Antranik entered Erzurum, I reported the massacre to
him, and asked him to track down the perpetrators of this horrible
act. However no result was achieved.

In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a
natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived
the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the
Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had
been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular.
The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed
one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached
three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged to about the details
of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers
were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even
withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred
people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading
Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre.
However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with
the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower
classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders
of the leading Armenian figures and commanders.

I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals
were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who
opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that
it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority.
Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian
cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have
supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred
to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by
the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians.
You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a
conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear
of the Turkish soldiers.

The incidents that occurred only recently clearly manifest the real
nature of the Armenian ideology. Nothing which is already done can
be undone. The Armenians have sowed the seeds of havoc, but they
have forgotten that they will ultimately reap the whirlwind."

>Mutlu I warn you again : cut your slime out.

Who the hell are you to warn me, 'teneke kafa?' Is that what your criminal
handlers at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle inject into your racist
anti-Turkish brain? Go back to your cell where you were duped and enjoy
your staying.

>Stop that slime which
>you have invented about terrorism.

Invented? Let me put this in a nut shell; what? Aren't you racist bigot
and Kova the barbarian self-admitted and proud cheerleaders for the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? What seems to be
the problem?

Anyway,

Source: Esat Uras, "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question,"
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

p. 695.

The slogan of the committee ran: "Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them
and in whatever circumstances you find them. Kill all backsliders, traitors
and informers. Take Revenge![1]"

"The first aim of the Dashnaktsutiun was the instigation of internal revolt.
It was hoped that this would lead to the same results as had been achieved
in Bulgaria and the Lebanon.[2]"

[1] M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," p. 85.
[2] ibid., p. 85.

In a speech addressed to the Armenian Congress in Petersburg on May 24,
Tchalkouchian emphasized the commitment of the Armenians to the Allied
cause:[1]

"...The French charmingly call us 'our little allies'. It may be that we
have made a small contribution to the World War. There is no doubt that
our status is that of a 'great ally'. The whole of the Armenian nation
was involved in the war... right from the start, our sympathy was completely
for the Allied Powers. Among these, Russia, to whom Armenians had been
loyal throughout history, came first and foremost."

"The Armenians greeted the Russians with ringing bells and with their
priests dressed in their ceremonial robes. In this war, too, the Armenian
people took their place beside the Russians...The war broke out volunteers
came from everywhere, from Armenia in Eastern Anatolia, from Egypt under
Turkish rule, from the non-Russian areas of Rumania; all these people who
were Ottoman subjects, familiar with Anatolia, gathered together and put
themselves at the service of the Russian Empire.[2]"

[1] The Times, 28 July 1916.
[2] ibid, 29 July 1916.

According to Borian:[1]

"With the start of the War, Armenian intellectuals joined the ranks of the
imperialist bourgeoisie of Tsarist Russia. Tsarist doctrines were accepted
as the programme of the Dashnaktsutiun which assimilated the former's
chauvinistic and emotional characteristics...They were in fact being used
as instruments by imperialist Russia. In the eyes of Russia, the activities
of the Dashnaktsutiun served the purpose of preparing world opinion for
the Russian invasion of Turkish Armenia. Indeed there were no intention on
the part of Tsarist Russia to set up an autonomous Armenian state, nor was
the international situation suitable for such a development. It was
impossible not to see that the Party which was ostensibly striving for
the independence of the Armenians was, in fact, only serving Russia's aim
of occupying Armenia."

[1] B. A. Borian, "Armenia, International Diplomacy and the USSR," 1928,
p. 32.

According to Leo:[1]

"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own
affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
bayonets for their success."

The newspaper "Horison" in its "Annual Review", while assessing the
activities of the year 1915 found two sources of comfort:

1. That revolts by the Armenians had at least taken place in Zeitun,
Vaspuragan, Mus, Sasun, and Karahisar.

2. That pro-Armenian movements had started in Europe, particularly in
England.

In this way this pro-Dashnak newspaper was also clearly admitting the
fact that rebellions had taken place. At a banquet given by the Armenians
in honour of General Nikolaev, the Commander of the Caucasian army, after
the capture of Van by Russians, the general made the following statement:

"Ever since 1626 the Russians have been trying to save the Armenians. But
political conditions have stood in their way. However, today, because of
the radical changes that have taken place in the conditions and the
compositions of nations, it may be hoped that the Armenians also will
attain their independence."

In reply to this, Aram Manukian, alias Aram Pasha, the ringleader and
commander of the Van rebellion and the recently appointed acting governor
of Van, said:

"For a month we started our rebellion, we were fighting in the expectation
that the Russians would come. We were in a dangerous situation...However,
at a time when we had given up expecting you, you came and saved us.[2]"

[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,
pp. 157-159.
[2] Haiasdan, 6 July 1915, no. 25.

The "Droshak", the organ of the Dashnaktsutiun Revolutionary Committee,
writes as follows:[1]

"Armenian youth is accused of ignorance and irresponsibility, of boasting,
swaggering and provocative behaviour. It is true that, in giving expression
to their feelings towards the constitution, their feelings of ardour and
longing, young Armenians have perhaps gone to excessive lengths and acted
in a somewhat undisciplined and irresponsible manner...All this intensified
the hatred towards the Armenians that already existed among the more
ignorant strata of Moslem society, and confirmed Moslem belief that for
hundreds of years the Armenians had nursed feelings of animosity towards
them. It also convinced them that the constitutional movements had been
instigated by the Armenians themselves in order to obtain greater freedom
of action, and that the power and influence they had thus acquired would
be employed to root out and exterminate the Moslems."

"While the number of the Armenians killed were exaggerated to reach 600,000
or 800,000, or even a million, even greater numbers of the Moslem population
perished at the hands of Armenian volunteer bands and guerilla fighters
during the Russian invasion, and almost as great a number died during
emigrations and as a result of revolts. Indeed, it is known that a great
proportion of the Moslem population of the eastern provinces lost their
lives during these events.[2]"

[1] Droshak, No. 7, 1909; Leo, "Documents on the Armenian Question,"
Tiflis, 1915, p. 59-61.
[2] E. Uras, "The Armenians in History," p. 868.

>Some lawyers would love to become
>rich at your expence. Period.

Dejavu and I just love it.

My lawyers and I have been anxiously waiting for months to take the criminal
members and cheerleaders of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle to where they belong and to stamp their crimes on 'Imrali' walls.
I am sure it won't be comfortable for you to spend time with your smelly
buddy and criminal handlers in the same cell, but tough luck, racist bigot.

The justice will sooner or later be served. No crime should go unpunished.

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

Source: Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes

and its historical context", 1986, pg. 124-138

Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-down
=============================================

1) January 27, 1973 - Santa Barbara, California
The vicious circle of modern Armenian terrorism begins: The
Armenian Georgeu Yanikian, a U.S.Citizen, invites the Turkish consul
general, Mehmet Baydar, and the consul, Bahadir Demir, to his home
for "tea". The unsuspecting diplomats accept the friendly invitation.
Georgeu Yanikian murders his two guests and is sentenced to life
imprisonment. He is released, however, because of illness.

2) April 4, 1973 - Paris
Bombing at the Turkish Consulate and the offices of THY, the Turkish
Airline. Extensive damage.

3) October 26, 1973 - New York
Attempted bombing of the Turkish Information Office. The bomb is
discovered in time and defused. A group calling itself the
"Yanikian Commandos" claims responsibility. They want to release
of double murderer of Santa Barbara, Georgeu Yanikian, who
insidiously murdered two Turkish diplomats.

4) February 7, 1975 - Beirut
Attempted bombing of the Turkish Information and Tourism Bureau.
The bomb explodes while being defused. A Lebanese policeman is
injured. The "Prisoner Georgeu Yanikian Group" claims responsibility.

5) February 20, 1975 - Beirut
The "Yanikian" group demanding the release of the double murderer
of Santa Barbara strikes again. Extensive damage is caused by a bomb
explosion at the THY offices. ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the
Liberation of Armenia) also claims responsibility for the bombing.

6) October 22, 1975 - Vienna
The Turkish ambassador, Danis Tunaligil, is assassinated in his
study by three Armenian terrorists. ASALA claims responsibility.

7) October 24, 1975 - Paris
Ambassador Ismail Erez and his driver, Talip Yener are murdered.
The ASALA and the JCAG (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide)
dispute responsibility.

8) October 28, 1975 - Beirut
Grenade attack on the Turkish Embassy. The ASALA claims responsibility.

9) February 16, 1976 - Beirut
The first secretary of the Turkish Embassy, Oktar Cirit, is
assassinated in a restaurant on Hamra Street. The ASALA claims
responsibility.

killing two and injuring several other bystanders. ASALA claims
credit for the attack.

46) August 11, 1980 - New York

49) October 3, 1980 - Milan
Two Italians are injured when a bomb explodes in front of the THY
offices. ASALA claims credit for the attack.

50) October 5, 1980 Madrid
The offices of Alitalia are rocked by a bomb explosion which

injures twelve individuals. The "Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia" claims responsibility.

Cris Koutsougeras

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Mar 9, 1991, 1:11:07 PM3/9/91

To the readers on the net :
-------------------------

In article <1991Mar9.0...@cbnewsd.att.com> h...@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

>>Stop that slime which
>>you have invented about terrorism.
>
>Invented? Let me put this in a nut shell; what? Aren't you racist bigot
>and Kova the barbarian self-admitted and proud cheerleaders for the
>ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? What seems to be
>the problem?

I have in the past and in numerous occasions denied Mutlu's
accusations about connections to ANY terrorist groups or even remotely
inclined to terrorism groups. I challenged him and even offered him
reward to provide even the slightest proof for his claims. Not only
there is no such proof, not only have I publicly (here) made
statements against his accusations, not only have I expressed my
positions crystal clearly in response to his attempts to connect slime
to my name, but he continues with standard header slime-files on his
postings about me. Now he is trying to pass on the net the impression
that I have "self-admitted" all he claims and even asks what's the problem.
The problem now is that I demand a public apology on this net from him.

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 10, 1991, 4:13:48 AM3/10/91

In article <910309191...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,

DK...@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Dimitrios Kouvatsos), "the beacon of fraud,"
who has already committed a crime by forging usenet articles,

continued to insult the people of Turkey as a 'criminal' cheerleader
of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. But, it is
always a joy to expose the criminal and smelly member of the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle on sct.

>Subject: mutlu is getting very scared!

Mirroring and echoing is when the criminal member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism Triangle reacts non-verbally by facial expression, posture,
animal sounds and other movements so that it realizes that it is
understood. Of course, this creates a major price - the denial of its
racist, criminal and barbarian true self. That price escalates as the
criminal becomes a proud member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle,
with resulting physical, mental-emotional and spiritual suffering. However,
I'll continue to alter its non-human side through the expose' of the
genocide of millions of defenseless Muslim women, children and elderly
people by the criminal predecessors of its handlers before, during and
after World War I.

BTW, don't you ever take a shower? You smell like a polecat, 'sintine
pisligi.'

> Yo, mutlu is getting really improved!

'Kuru kafa' is in recovery program. As a starter, let me expose the
self-admitted criminal member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle
as well as the Armenian genocide of millions of Turkish and Kurdish
people.

From h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM Tue Apr 3 17:51:45 1990
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From: h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Mr. Kouvatsos' History Lessons (9)
Summary: Mr. Kouvatsos is a liar (proof)...
Keywords: Armenian Genocide of the Muslim People
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In article <900402080...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos") continues
his entertainment process as a cheer-leader:

> Poor Taleen, what can you answer to a demand like this? Let the
>mythomaniac accessories to the crime of the genocide of the Armenian
>people try to turn history upside down. They will drown in their own
>nonsense.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis,
1928. (Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)
p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).

"Incidents such as the above furnished the Dashnak government with the needed
excuse for undertaking a war of reprisal against the Tartars. This war quickly
developed into one of extermination. Horrible things happened, things that
words can neither describe nor make you understand. The memory of scenes I
witnessed and of incidents in which I participated still make me feel sick.
But war is always horrible, for it liberates all the fear and hate and
deviltry that are in men. ...............We closed the roads and mountain

passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded
in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of
stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants
fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work.
Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains
or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed.
And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia
from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the
cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful

ruins of Tartar villages. They are quite now, those villages, except

for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."

> Are you kidding Mr. Mutlu? Isn't it obvious that I refer to the
>Young Turks as forefathers of modern Turkey and not to your own personal
>forefathers?

Some of my forefathers happen to be Greek, I thought you were insulting them.

> Oh, really? And why is the Prime Minister of Great Britain at the
>time, the man who could have access to more complete and integrated
>information than anyone else, not to be believed?

See <13...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> by hbm.

Source: "U.S. Library of Congress: 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence
Container #34.

"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the

pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages
against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying
their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus
have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to
govern or handle other races under their power."

>Because he exposed,
>in an official speech before the Parliament, the damning guilt of your
>fascist Young Turk forefathers?

See above.

> I have read myself much evidence, and I also consider Lloyd George
>I quoted far more trustworthy as evidence than your postings.

It sounds like a gum chewing.
See above.

> I also think that David Davidian has posted here such overwhelming
>evidence by historians that has left you naked out in the cold, sir. I
>have neither the time nor his extensive archives to repeat all of it
>here.

Mr. Kouvatsos' hero is in action:

> just a test...of an upgrade...
>
> "Our fellow countrymen committed unheard-of crimes, resorted
> to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized deportations
> and massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped
> women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand
> and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers, appropriated
> personal property and real estate, drove people to Mesopotamia and
> treated them inhumanely on the way... They put thousands of innocent
> people into boats which were sunk at sea... They put Armenians in
> the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in
> history"
> Mustafa Kemal, 1919 [1]
>
>Today, 75 years after the Turkish genocide of 1.5 million Armenian men, women,
>and children, supporters of the Turkish government's cover-up and revision of
>history call Mustafa Kemal a liar!
> ...
>[1] One of many statements by Mustafa Kemal during the military court trials
>in 1919 of the leaders of the Young Turks leaders. Ref: _Takvimi-i Vekay_,
>1919. (Official gazette of the post-WW1 Turkish government). Also see
>_Hayastan Isor_, Yerevan, Vol. 2.82, pg. 31 (bottom left).

<2...@urartu.SDPA.org>

"I guess you dug your own trap then jumped in. I never stated that the Mustafa
Kemal at the Turkish Court Martials was the same as the Mustafa Kemal that
became Ataturk. YOU DID. Do you actually think I could get away with such a
childish "trick" as you describe my posting. Anyone who has made it through
Turkish high school knows that Ataturk was never around the Istanbul trials of
1919. Please show me where I made the renaming!!!"

<2...@urartu.SDPA.org>

>However, I have read both his evidence and your attempts to evade
>it, and the comparison is, needless to say, you are no match. Your
>proven lies and disinformation (see below) also further discredit you.

Thank you and I am looking forward to that.

>>> That, sir, is an insult to justice itself. The people of the
>>>Armenian Republic were fighting for existence against the combined
>>>Turkish-Soviet attack in the fall of 1920 (after the Turkish-Soviet
>>>agreement of September 1920 for the destruction of the Armenian
>>>state)!
>>
>>What do you think the people of the Ottoman Empire were doing against e
>>the combined Soviet-Armenian attack in 1914, sir? Exchanging flowers?

> Here comes someone who poses as a history professor...

Me?

>First of all,
>there were no Soviets in 1914, Mr. Mutlu! Let's take it as Russians.

Simply imitating your superior logic, that's all (e.g., Turkish-Soviet/
Soviet-Armenian - get it!) See above.

>Well, Mr. Mutlu doesn't give a damn that it was the Central Powers that
>attacked the Entente Powers and not vice versa. Forget that, too. But
>to compare the plight of the small Armenian nation, attacked simulta-
>neously by two imperial powers, to the the conflict between the Russian
>and the Ottoman Empires shows total inability to grasp the sense of
>history.

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 358 (third paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov said,
jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.
"That's for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror."
"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."

> I said above, there is an overwhelming bulk of evidence. Since I
>said that I have read the evidence Mr. Davidian has posted and I accept
>it there is no point in refering you to his references. But I can also
>refer you to sources I have seen and read elsewhere such as _The
>Slaughterhouse Province_, _Ambassador Morgantau's story_ - and the
>Lloyd George speech you found nothing to say about.

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large
eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal
lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through
her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot,
too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress.

The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay
face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter
bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below
his neck, into the spine.

There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty
of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel.
He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."

> You, and Turkish history, are not going to be saved from truth,
>Mr. Mutlu. You have butchered the Christian populations of Asia Minor
>- Armenians and Anatolian Greeks - and you are so happy thinking that
>you have gotten away with it!

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.'
'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-'
'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.'
"We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space....
'I don't believe you," I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The man
pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse. I
thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and went
inside.

The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for its
stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an iron
tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot.
All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As the door
swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face up, naked
but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what was left of
his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with
Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so I'd
no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his
slashed genitals."

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

'How many people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Turk officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

"The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me -
Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into
laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
have been.

From daybreak on, Armenian villagers pored in from miles around.....
The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap
of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
spinning-wheels.

'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'
... We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours
the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's
wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of
other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'

>>> No sir, it is figments of your imagination that we have been seeing
>>>here. You have been revealed even to use non-existent or fabricated
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>sources! We've had enough of this maliciousness!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>Would you please prove your above accusations - otherwise, you will be n
>>in deep mud, Mr.

> Well, you asked for it, Mister.

Here comes the juicy part.

> Do you remember the first time you asked me to take history lessons
>because you didn't like my opinions? You had provided some supposedly
>very enlightening sources to take me out of the darkness of my belief
>that the Turks are indeed guilty of the genocide of the Armenian
>nation. Before I even had time to see them, David Davidian disposed
>of them promptly. Let's remind everybody what kind of lessons you give:

> 1. L. Nalbandian, _The Armenian Revolutionary Movement_

> This text covers a time frame that ends in 1896, about two
> decades before the Armenian genocide!

Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #1.

L. Nalbandian, "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The Development
of Armenian Political Parties through the Nineteenth Century,"

University of California Press, Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1963 (247 pages).

p. 110 (first paragraph)

"The Hunchaks said that the existing social organization in Turkish Armenia
could be changed by violence against the Turkish government and described
the following methods: Propaganda, Agitation, Terror, Organization, and
Peasant and Worker Activities.
.....
Demonstrations against the government, refusal to pay taxes, demands for
reforms, and hatred of the aristocracy were part of the party's agitation
campaign. The people were also to be incited against their enemies and were
to "profit" from the retaliatory actions of these same enemies.

...The part aimed at terrorizing the Ottoman government, thus contributing
toward lowering the prestige of that regime and working toward its complete
disintegration... The Hunchaks wanted to annihilate the most dangerous of the
Armenian and Turkish individuals who were then working for the government,
as well as to destroy all spies and informers...."

p. 111 (second paragraph)

"The most opportune time to institute the general rebellion for carrying
out the immediate objective was when Turkey was engaged in a war."

> 2. November 1914 Issue of the Official Armenian Gazette Huntchak

> Alas, this source has never existed!

Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #2.

EXTRACTS FROM THE NOVEMBER ISSUE (1914) OF THE ARMENIAN PAPER "HINTCHAK",
PUBLISHED IN PARIS, ORGAN OF THE ARMENIAN HINTCHAK COMMITTEE.

The Hintchak Social Democrat Committee representing the Armenian nation,
exposed to vexations and deprived of its rights, which has been working
since over a quarter of a century in a bloody path to obtain the liberation
of the Armenians in Turkey, now descends, driven by the power of actual
political events from the Taurus Mountains and the borders of Armenia
down to the battle-field, blowing the trumpet of strife and revolution,
to drown in blood the Ottoman tyranny.

In this gigantic struggle where existence of nations is at stake, the
Hintchak Committee as well as the entire Armenian nation, will join their
forces, moral and material, and waving the sword of revolution in their
hands, will enter into this world war.

As comrades of arms of the Triple Entente and particularly of Russia
they will co-operate with the Allies, making full use of all political
and revolutionary means they possess, for the final victory in Armenia,
Cilicia, Caucasus and Azerbaydjan, being always led by their patriotism
and thus fulfilling their duties towards themselves and towards civilization.

Let all heroes who will sacrifice their lives for the great cause of the
Armenian freedom, come forward with all their moral and material strength
for the realization of this national aspiration.

It is only by these means that the Armenians, proud for having shed their
blood for their own cause and that of civilization, may represent the nation
at the Congress to be held on the morrow of the war.

Let it obtain its political liberty; let it show to the world that it has a
right to live, and finally let it obtain, through the consent of the
Triple Entente, the independence granted to their fatherland for which
it has shed its blood.

And from the rays of liberty let the sun of right, justice, liberty and
fraternity rise.

Well, then, forward Comrades... Forward to work. Let us crush down the
death, death which threatens Armenia, so that it lives and it lives
for ever ...

(Paris 1914)
Head offices of the social Democrat Hintchak Committee.

> 3. K.S. Papazian _Patriotism perverted_

> A pro-Soviet propaganda work by the Armenian Communist Party
> attacking an anticommunist Armenian party. The Soviet Union was
> also attacking Armenia and, as elsewhere, the communists betrayed
> their country to their Soviet masters.

Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #3.

K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934,
(73 pages with Appendix).

p. 15 (first paragraph)

"Method No. 8 is as follows:-
To wage fight, and to subject to terrorism the government officials, the
traitors, the betrayers, the usurers, and the exploiters of all description".

Method No. 11 is:-
"To subject the government institutions to destruction and pillage".

......
At first, these terrorist methods were resorted to in order to obtain money
for the revolutionary movements in the Turkish territory.

p. 25 (third paragraph)

"...Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."

>But that's not all. "Mr." Mutlu also claimed at some other time that
>"Turks and Kurds were unlucky because they happened to be living with
>Armenian revolutionary bands and Armenian terrorists" and that

Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #4.

See above - already proven by Armenian sources (many more available upon
request).

>"almost
>three million muslims disappeared from Turkey", supposedly quoting the
>sources:
> 1. McCarthy, Justin. _Muslims and Minorities: The population of
> Ottoman Anatolia and the end of the Empire_, New York and London,
> (New York University Press), 1983.
> 2. Karpat, Kemal H. _Ottoman Population 1830-1914: Demographic and
> Social characteristics_, Madison, (The University of Wisconsin
> Press), 1985.

Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #5.

Let's take number 1. p. 133 (under "The Muslims").

"Two and a half million Muslims died in Anatolia in the period of World
War I and the Turkish War of Independence, or 18% of the total Muslim
population. The figure of 18%, however, does not properly elucidate the
mortality of Anatolian's Muslims. Death rates were actually much higher
in the theaters of war."

See also p. 134. Table 7.10 "Muslim Deaths."

[Mine: Excluding those Muslims exterminated by the Armenians in the Republic
of Armenia]

>To which David Davidian replied "I have both texts next to me and
>neither make such claims, which is not surprising considering the lack
>of reference to specific pages". And, not a word more was heard from
>Mr. Mutlu!

Ditto!

> And this is the liar, the mudslinger drowning in the blood of the
>innocent victims their extermination is desparately trying to cover up,
>who comes to accuse me that I am deep in the mud! This is the worthy
>product of his cannibal Young Turk forefathers...

Congratulations - you amply deserved the title "liar."

And, the exposed liar continues:

> I just realized what a long way you have to go until you become a
>decent human being, therefore your "history lessons" will henceforth
>be treated with the contempt they deserve. Until you reach a certain
>point where discussions can be carried out with reasoning and true
>references, not with shameless lies and falsifications - if ever. Until
>then, I have nothing to deal with liars like you. And I am not at all
>confused with the Lausanne treaty - for example, I know full well that
>you barbarians tore its provisions apart with your pogroms that
>destroyed Constantinople, Imbros and Tenedos Greeks...

Any mirror around?

> And this "mythology of Armenian martyrdom", that evil insult of the
>victims of the death marches, is just Mutluvian fiction - as has been
>made so clear on this net.

Armenian activists presently claim that the Armenian population of
Anatolia were loyal citizens of the Ottoman Empire. They reject the
Turkish statements that Armenians were planning and actively pursuing
rebellion with the intent of siding with Russia and the Allies against
the Ottoman Empire during WWI.

A document from the past sheds light on this situation:

The letter to the Editor, "The Times," London, January 30, 1919,
by Boghos Nubar, head of the Armenian National Delegation to the Paris
Peace Conference, lists the contributions of Armenians to the Allied
cause. His letter speaks for itself.

THE RIGHTS OF ARMENIA.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.

Sir, - The name of Armenia is not on the list of the nations admitted
to the Peace Conference. Our sorrow and our disappointment are deep
beyond expression. Armenians naturally expected their demand for
admission to the Conference to be conceded, after all they had done
for the common cause.

The unspeakable sufferings and the dreadful losses that have befallen
the Armenians by reason of their faithfulness to the Allies are now
fully known. But I must emphasize the fact, unhappily known to few,
that ever since the beginning of the war the Armenians fought by the
side of the Allies on all fronts. Adding our losses in the field to the
greater losses through massacres and deportations, we find that over a
million out of a total Armenian population of four millions and a half
have lost their lives in and through the war. Armenia's tribute to
death is thus undoubtedly heavier in proportion than that of any other
belligerent nation. For the Armenians have been belligerents de facto,
since they indignantly refused to side with Turkey.

Our volunteers fought in the French "Legion Entrangere" and covered
themselves with glory. In the Legion d'Orient they numbered over
5,000, and made up more than half the French contingent in Syria and
Palestine, which took part in the decisive victory of General Allenby.

In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian
armies, about 50,000 Armenian voluteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff,
and others not only fought for four years for the cause of the Entente,
but after the breakdown of Russia they were the only forces in the
Caucasus to resist the advance of the Turks, whom they held in check
until the armistice was signed. Thus they helped the British forces
in Mesopotamia by hindering the Germano-Turks from sending their
troops elsewhere.

These services have been acknowledged by the Allied Governments,
as Lord Robert Cecil recognized in the House of Commons.

In virtue of all these considerations the Armenian National Delegation
asked that the Armenian nation should be recognized as a belligerent.
Had the recognition been granted, we should now have been admitted
to the Conference, to which even transatlantic States have found
access, though having merely broken off diplomatic relations with
Germany, without the least sacrifice on their part.

At the moment when the fate of Armenia is being decided at the
Peace Conference, it is my duty, as the head of the National Delegation
which has no tribune from which its voice can resound, to state once
again, in the columns of of "The Times," the important part played by
the Armenians in this frightful war. I wish strongly to urge that the
Armenians, having of their own free will cast in their lot with the
champions of right and justice, the victory of the Allies over their
common enemies has secured to them a right to independence.
Believe me, Sir, yours very faithfully,
Paris, Jan. 27. BOGHOS NUBAR

> Even if the Turks detained at Malta were acquited, this does not at
>all disprove the guilt of Young Turk policy - and it is this damning
>guilt that the British Prime Minister blasted in his Parliament speech.
>Mr. Mutlu had nothing to say on that. (Furthermore, the Malta Turks
>were not all acquited).

It will be covered in your next lesson with gory details - the semester is
still young and I do have 200 more references to cover.

> Still addressing the fundamental problem of Turkey's sorry lack of
>civilized behavior.

Are you from Mississippi?

>> (Certainly to be continued upon demand)

> Feel free to continue your trash show, Mr. Mutlu. No serious person
>takes you seriously anymore.

I know - isn't it sad? You are the only person who is taking me seriously.
For that, I am thankful Mr. exposed liar.

> He calls me a "cheerleader" etc. BUT...

Take a cold shower to get rid of your smell every once in a while.
Otherwise, you'll be soon fired by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.

> You dare no longer call ME a MEMBER of your "Terrorism and

>Revisionism Triangle" any more, huh?

Are you blind, 'salata kafa.'

> You feel it shoved, huh? Deep, huh? Enjoy, barbarian!

Why not?

From h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM Sat Mar 31 12:56:34 1990
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Subject: Mr. Kouvatsos' History Lessons (7)
Summary: The myth of innocence exposed...
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In article <900331032...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos") writes:

> It is your fascist Young Turk forefathers who, many years before
>World War I, decided that the Ottoman Empire had to be "purified" of
>its non-Turkish populations.

Please do not get excited! How do you know that it is *my* *fascist Young
Turk forefathers*, sir? Must have been yet another speculation as the rest
of your article dictates. BTW, how about the "purification" of non-Armenian
populations in Armenia?

The introduction of personal invective is not conductive to mutual
understanding. When used by you, personal invective is either a confession
of intellectual inadequacy, or a substitute for stating delusional beliefs that
cannot withstand the light of open debate and truth.

>The war was just the excuse they needed
>for currying out the cold-bloodedly pre-decided extermination of the
>Armenians. The analogy to the "purification" of Germany from the Jews
>pre-decided by the Nazis and World War II as an excuse for it is
>chilling. It was not anything the Armenians did that caused their
>genocide... The difference is that Germany was totally conquered and
>its crimes could not be hidden while Turkey was not - Germans were
>resented for the war they caused by all peoples who also pressed for
>justice - and Jews were much more influential than Armenians to press
>for justice... I can let the British Prime Minister Lloyd George explain
>the matter in his speech to the British Parliament on August 4, 1922
>[*]:

But, the British Ambassador Sir A. Geddes says otherwise, sir. Unfortunately,
he is the one to believe in this case, not Lloyd George.

The Entente forces which occupied Anatolia at the end of the
First World War nevertheless wanted to try the officials of the Ottoman
Constitutional Government with allegations of having committed "massacres."
More than fifty Turkish officers and public officials were arrested and
exiled to Malta. The British used primarily the reports of the Armenian
Patriarchate to accuse the Turkish exiles at Malta. However, these reports
contain no more than statements intended for propaganda purposes. Not one
crime, not a single event is documented in them which could be used to
support the allegation of a so-called "genocide." As a last resort, they
turned to the U.S.A.; if an Armenian "genocide" had taken place, the
American archives had to be stacked full with proof of the crimes. The
relations between England and the Ottoman State had been severed during the
First World War, but Turkish-American relations had continued uninterrupted.
Representatives of the American foreign mission and employees in its
Consulates had stayed in Turkey also during the war years. There was no
doubt that they would have recorded the deportation of the Armenians and
of their "genocide" if there had been one. Furthermore, Americans had not
failed to be interested in Armenians. On the contrary, they had been acting
as their protector. If Armenians had been killed, the records had to have
been kept by the Americans. Consequently, research was conducted in the
U.S.A. Upon London's request, and the British Ambassador Sir A. Geddes wrote
his findings to the British Foreign Office:

"He was permitted to see a selection of reports from United States Consuls on
the subject of the atrocities committed in Armenia during the recent war, the
reports judged by the State Department to be the most useful for the purposes
of His Majesty's Government being chosen from among several hundreds. I regret
to inform your Lordship that there was nothing therein which could be used
as evidence against the Turks who are being detained for trial at Malta."[1]

[1] B. Simsir, "Malta Surgunleri," (Istanbul, 1976), p. 270.

> It was not the ravages of war, it was not wartime needs that caused
>the Genocide. War was merely the excuse the Young Turks were waiting
>for.

Again, fascinating analysis against all the evidence presented by historians.

> That, sir, is an insult to justice itself. The people of the
>Armenian Republic were fighting for existence against the combined
>Turkish-Soviet attack in the fall of 1920 (after the Turkish-Soviet
>agreement of September 1920 for the destruction of the Armenian state)!

What do you think the people of the Ottoman Empire were doing against the
combined Soviet-Armenian attack in 1914, sir? Exchanging flowers?

>They were already drowning in the blood of their 1.5 million compa-
>triots murdered by the Turks in the death marches in 1915...

Where is your reference, sir? Please save us from your interpretation of
the Turkish history - we all know how accurate, unbiased and reliable you are!

> No sir, it is figments of your imagination that we have been seeing
>here. You have been revealed even to use non-existent or fabricated
>sources! We've had enough of this maliciousness!

Would you please prove your above accusations - otherwise, you will be in
deep mud, Mr.

I just realized that you still have a long way to go on this subject, therefore
your history lessons will continue until you reach a certain point where a
reasonable discussion can be carried out with references, not with myth,
rumours, speculations, blind accusations. Hint: start with the "Conference of
Lausanne" since you seem to be confused with implications of this treaty.

It should not be overlooked that other scholars whose work is based on
Ottoman population statistics have suggested that the wartime casualties
suffered by the Ottoman Armenians was less than those advanced by McCarthy.
These scholars include Kamuran Gurun, the author of "The Armenian File",
and Stanford Shaw, the author of "History of the Ottoman Empire and
Modern Turkey."

Hitherto, the history of this period has been addressed exclusively by
Armenians whose emotional attachment encourages them to project Armenian
history throughout time as one of unmitigated suffering, i.e., they have
written an unending history of the mythology of Armenian martyrdom (of
which the events of 1915 form the keystone), rather than the objective
history of the Armenian people. The nurturing of this mythology helps
Armenians, born in the 1960's and later, to engage in terrorist
assassination, the victims of which were not even born in 1915.

One frequently heard Armenian argument in support of their portrayal of
themselves as the helpless victims of "the 20th century's first genocide,"
is that American observers in Turkey were unanimous in their reporting of
Armenian suffering, i.e., that Armenian claims were corroborated by
impartial American representatives. Such claims rely heavily on the
testimony of only one American representative, Ambassador Henry Morgenthau,
who served in Istanbul between late 1913 and the end of January in 1916.
What is overlooked is the fact that Morgenthau's successors, and in
particular, U.S. High Commissioner and Ambassador Mark Bristol who served in
Istanbul from 1919 to 1927, did not naively accept Armenian propaganda claims
(as had Morgenthau). Rather he based his assessments on first-hand evidence.
In both his private correspondence [1] and official dispatches, Bristol
constantly warned against the wholesale acceptance of Armenian propaganda
claims. Bristol's warnings were echoed by James Barton, the American missionary
who headed up the Near East Relief, an organization whose whole purpose was to
relieve the plight of suffering Armenians [2]. Barton, whose experience in
working with and on behalf of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire had made him
cognizant of their propensity to overstate their case, admitted that he was
unable to stop their "vicious propaganda" which consisted of "constantly

reporting atrocities which never occurred and giving endless misinformation

with regard to the situation in Armenia and Turkey."

Numerous other Americans with experience in Turkey, among whom the names of
Arthur Chester (a businessman), and John Dewey (the famous American educator),
deserve mention, likewise were not misled by the exaggerated Armenian propaganda
claims.

Chester's account of the rationale behind the Ottoman decision to relocate
Armenians away from the war zone [3], is noteworthy for the parallels it
predicts as to what American reaction might be if faced with the same questions
of betrayal by an ethnic minority in time of war.

John Dewey, the great humanitarian that he was, recognized that not only were
the Armenians not the innocent victims they portrayed themselves to be in the
West, but that in fact, it was Armenian brutality against innocent Turkish
villages which convinced the Ottoman authorities in the first place that this
particular ethnic and religious minority represented a threat to a state faced
with foreign invasion on four different fronts [4] and therefore had to be
transferred away from the war zone.

Among the most allegedly damning of the arguments advanced by Armenian scholars
and propagandists in support of their "genocide" claim, are a series of
telegrams reportedly issued by Talat Pasha, the Ottoman Minister of the
Interior, ordering the extermination of the Armenians. These so-called
"Talat Pasha telegrams" were reportedly given to an Armenian named Andonian
by a minor Turkish official named Naim Bey. In 1920 they appeared in
simultaneous English, French, Armenian editions. In the past 60 plus years
they have been reprinted countless times in a variety of Armenian and
non-Armenian publications.

These telegrams are crude forgeries, a fact which has recently been established
beyond any doubt in the work of two Turkish scholars, Sinasi Orel and Sureyya
Yuca. Their relentless repetition in the so-called works of history written
by Armenians, has given them the totally unjustified status of "historical
documents." They, like the false claims of Armenian innocence, and inflated
figures of Armenian dead, have found a place in the Armenian propagated version
of their "historical reality."

In conclusion, one cannot help but echo the words of Turkey's Ambassador in
Washington, D.C., and state that what the Ottomans were faced with in 1915
was an armed insurrection of its Armenian citizenry on behalf of the invading
Russian armies, in short, "a civil war within a global war" [5].

Further, contrary to Armenian claims, the Ambassador does state that Armenians
suffered immensely, along with the Muslim population of Anatolia during and
after WWI. He notes that "Ottoman responsibility, if any, must lie in the
Empire's inability to protect its civilian population (both Muslim and
Christian) from wide-scale civil war, famine and disease, while fighting a
world war on five fronts. To label that "genocide" threatens to deprive the
word of meaning. The charge could apply to most countries at some time [6]."
This acknowledgement of Armenian suffering gives the lie to claims that it is
Turkish denial of the fate of their ancestors which leads young Armenians in
the 1980's to seek justice from the barrel of a gun!

Clearly, it is not Turkish denial, but Armenian insistence on viewing themselves
as the unique victims of suffering in Anatolia during the First World War
which supplies the ammunition which fuels the assassins' hatred. This insistence
becomes more and more untenable as competent scholarship on the subject expands.
Certainly the opening of the Ottoman archives announced by Prime Minister Ozal
will afford further opportunities to distinguish propaganda from fact, myth
from history.

[1] U.S. Library of Congress: "Bristol Papers" - General Correspondence -
Container #34 (Bristol to Barton Letter of March 28, 1921), p. 2.
[2] Letter of Dr. James L. Barton, Secretary of the Foreign Department of the
American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions to Admiral Mark
Bristol, U.S. High Commissioner in Constantinople. U.S. Library of
Congress: "Bristol Papers" - General Correspondence - Container #34.
[3] Arthur Chester, "Angora and the Turks 1923," The New York Times' Current
History Journal (February, 1923), pp. 758-764.
[4] John Dewey, "The Turkish Tragedy," The New Republic, Volume 40, November
12, 1928, pp. 268-269.
[5] Sukru Elekdag, Turkish Ambassador to the U.S., The New York Times, May 11,
1983.
[6] Sukru Elekdag, Turkish Ambassador to the U.S., The New York Times, May 23,
1985.

>P.S. I hope Mr. Mutlu will not say that the Prime Minister of Great
>Britain was ignorant or filled with anti-Turkish hatred. The leader of
>a country that was then a superpower had access to all official reports
>from Anatolia... and could he conceivably expose himself by outright
>lying before the Parliament?

Again, the British Ambassador Sir A. Geddes wrote his findings to the British
Foreign Office:

Not a single proof.
Not a single document.
Not a single evidence.

> If he can claim even that, he will have divorced himself from
>reason.

Not a chance.

>I might advise him then to watch - as many times as possible -
>the film "Midnight Express"! Maybe seeing again the barbarism that his
>country displays even today - a reading of the Amnesty International
>report on torture in Turkey will make it even clearer - will hopefully
>get him into thinking... thinking on what it was capable of doing 75
>years ago...

Still not addressing the original points made.

(to be continued)

hasan.b.mutlu

unread,

Mar 10, 1991, 4:18:27 AM3/10/91

In articles <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, <65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,
<65...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>, c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras),
"the beacon of ignorance," continued to entertain us with non-points

as a 'racist' cheerleader of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle:

>I can't stop wondering about this overwelming reaction about that posting.
>It is remarkable how many of you got upset for an attact against Coras
>(actually the fact that Coras is the person implicated doesn't matter
>particularly). I wonder why don't you get nearly as upset when he (or
>others) become abussive. Oh yes, of course, you do not like that
>either although you do not bother saying anything. Yet in this case
>you did not let this pass up, but instead rush-rush to object to this one.
>Wooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Has it hurt? You seem to be alternating between suffering and numbness.
It must be the frustration of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle's mistreatment. This animal sound was also heard repeatedly
during the extermination of the entire Muslim population of Van by the
Armenian genocide squads during World War I.

Historians tell us that the early history of the Armenians is not known with
any certainty. They were an Indo-European-speaking group who migrated
into Eastern Anatolia before accurate records of such migrations were kept.
It is known that an independent Armenian kingdom which included Eastern
Asia Minor was formed under Tigranes the Great (95-56 BC). After Tigranes,
for many centuries Armenians remained as vassals of others, including the
Roman, Persian Sassanian and Byzantine Empires. Feuds and battles between
Armenian lords weakened any chance of unity, but Armenian kingdoms existed
in at least a small part of Eastern Anatolia until the eleventh century,
usually under domination of the great empires of the Byzantines, Persians,
or Arabs. After the defeat of the Armenians' Byzantine overlords at
Manzikert in 1071, the Armenians of Eastern Anatolia came under the rule
of the Seljuk Turks. Another Armenian kingdom ruled in Cilicia from the
late eleventh to the fourteenth century. It too passed into the hands
of Turkish rulers.

The ethnic composition of the Armenian kingdoms is unknown. The rulers
were generally Armenians, but other peoples lived in the region as well.
The dislocation brought about by frequent wars and the incursions of the
Turks and, later, the Mongols caused a scattering of Armenians and other
peoples. From a very early time, Armenians lived outside of the boundaries
of historic Armenia.

Armenians had been moving from Armenia for centuries before the Ottomans
appeared. Early history on the movement of the Armenians is inconclusive,
but it is known that large numbers of Armenians began to move away from
Eastern Anatolia during the Byzantine times. Inhabitants of poor areas
such as Eastern Anatolia naturally travelled in search of employment and
a better life. Armenians also emigrated from Armenia to escape the wars
that were almost continuous from ancient times until the Ottomans
conquered Eastern Anatolia (1514-17). Armenian communities in cities
such as Constantinople date from the Byzantine period.

Under the Seljuk Turks and later the Ottomans, the Armenians lived as a
Christian (the Armenians converted to Christianity around 300 A.D.)
religious group whose separate existence was guaranteed by the rules of
Islam. Armenian dedication to their religion, their geographic situation
in Eastern Anatolia, and Ottoman religious toleration guaranteed their
continuation as a people. Their migration from their homeland in search
of economic opportunity, begun under the Byzantines, continued under the
Ottomans. Armenian colonies were found in Western Anatolia, the Balkan
cities, and Istanbul. Indeed, by the end of the Ottoman Empire,
the densest settlements of Armenians were found not in so-called
"Armenia," but in Northwestern Anatolia. Nevertheless, Armenian identification
with their historic homeland continued even when they were dispersed
throughout the Ottoman Empire and were a minority in historic Armenia.

In view of the historical facts, we see no possibility of talking
about an independent Armenia, or the existence of a united Armenian
nation. Nevertheles, under Tigran an independent Armenia did exist
for about forty years, but not all the feudal lords who preserved
their autonomy within the state were Armenian, nor was the entire
local population Armenian. Historical facts lead us to believe that
if we date Tigran's period of independence as beginning in 95 BC, we see
that it only lasted for about forty years (according to some historians
thirty years). After this date, Armenia was nothing but a pawn in the
struggles between the Romans and Persians. As such it moved from one
sphere of influence to the other.

In short, when the Ottomans took over these territories, there had been
neither an Armenian principality for 470 years in the east, nor an
Armenian kingdom of Cilicia for the previous 150 years. No one then
was mentioning the Armenians as being part of a nation. Thus, none of
the contemporary sources written in the first half of the sixteenth
century make any mention of an Armenian race or nation. The appearance
of the Armenian 'millet' within the framework of the Ottoman Empire
is another matter.

Therefore, as one historian put it, the belief still current in certain Armenian
circles, that the Ottomans conquered Armenian territory, thereby bringing
to an end the existing Armenian state and enslaving the population is
false.

>To the readers on the net :
>-------------------------

Am I included?

>I have in the past and in numerous occasions denied Mutlu's
>accusations about connections to ANY terrorist groups or even remotely
>inclined to terrorism groups.

You have also been proven to be a liar and a racist on this very net. Given
those facts, why would anyone believe an exposed liar while his actions
and posters prove otherwise?

>I challenged him and even offered him
>reward to provide even the slightest proof for his claims. Not only
>there is no such proof, not only have I publicly (here) made
>statements against his accusations, not only have I expressed my
>positions crystal clearly in response to his attempts to connect slime
>to my name, but he continues with standard header slime-files on his
>postings about me. Now he is trying to pass on the net the impression
>that I have "self-admitted" all he claims and even asks what's the problem.

It is a poor workman who blames his tools, 'saksakcibasi.' Given your
lack of memory, this might come as a shock to you but, you have been
proven to be a puppet and a cheerleader for the criminal members of the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle (repeatedly so). You
have posted forged documents, fabrications, non-existent quotes and lies
supplied by your handlers at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle. You have insulted a nation and its people and disseminated false
information in order to slander millions of Turkish and Kurdish people
based on non-existent material. In short, you are a self-admitted racist
cheerleader for the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle and
will remain as such. And you are an excuse for me to expose one of the
greatest crimes of this century committed by the Armenians against
millions of Muslims in Eastern Anatolia before and during World War I.

>The problem now is that I demand a public apology on this net from him.

Are you moron real? Take a shower with your criminal buddies at the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle and don't you ever
forget to take your smelly barbarian creature along. Even my terminal
smells like a skunk.

From "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey", Vol. II, Stanford
J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317.

- Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,
Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.
Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First
World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse
to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other
invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian
success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of
Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common
soldiers began deserting in droves.

- With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of
World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy
increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,
Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn
massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of
expected arrival of the invading Russian armies.

- Ottoman response was to order the relocation of its Armenian subjects from
the path of the invading Russians and other areas where they might undermine
the Ottoman war effort. The Ottomans could no longer determine which of the
Armenians would remain loyal and which would follow the appeal of their
leaders.

Letter from Sir A. H. Layard, British Ambassador at Constantinople to the
Earl of Derby, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, London, Dispatch
No. 365, March 18, 1878.

This letter is reporting on the conversation of the Ambassador with
Archibishop Narsis, the Armenian Patriarch in Constantinople and indicates
that:

."The previous year (1877), the Archibishop was anxious to persuade the
British that his people were not dissatisfied with the Turkish rule and
they greatly preferred remaining under it to being transferred to that of
Russia,

. Since the Russian successes, the state of affairs has changes,

. The Archibishop and the Ambassador, discuss what is understood by "Armenia"
indicating that, what appeared in the Western maps did not exist on the
ground,

. The Ambassador indicates that, he had reason to believe that in the
"Armenia" defined by the Archibishop, a very large proportion of the
population is Moslem and the Archibishop does not deny that this is the
case, but maintains that Turks themselves would willingly accept a Christian
Government,

. The Archibishop indicates that if the just demands of Armenians are not
listened to, the country which he had referred to would rise against
Turkish rule, and would annex itself to Russia,

. The Archibishop requests that the conversation remain confidential so that
his position with the Turkish Government is not compromised."

The leader of the Armenian delegation in attendance at the Paris Peace
Conference after WWI, Boghos Nubar Pasha, openly acknowledged the fact that
it was the Armenian contributions to the allied war effort which led to
their mistreatment by the Ottoman authorities: [1]

- "The unspeakable suffering and the dreadful losses that have befallen the

Armenians by reason of their faithfulness to the Allies are now fully
known.

- But I must emphasize the fact, unhappily known to few, that ever since the
beginning of the war the Armenians fought by the side of Allies on all
fronts.

- In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian
armies, 50,000 Armenian volunteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff and others
not only fought for four years for the cause of Entente, ..

- I wish strongly to urge that the Armenians, having of their own free will

cast in their lot with the champions of right and justice, the victory of the
Allies over their common enemies has secured to them a right to independence."

[1] Letter from Boghos Nubar, Armenian leader to "The Times of London", January
30, 1919, p.6.

Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

Source: Quoted by General Hamelin in a letter to the High Commissioner,
February 2, 1919, in the official history, "Les Armees Francaises au Levant,"
vol. 1, p. 122.

"They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish villages as punitive
measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages in their
retreat..."

Source: John Dewey, "The Turkish Tragedy", The New Republic, Volume 40,

November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269.

"...that they [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a
hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."

Source: "U.S. Library of Congress: 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence
Container #34.

"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages
against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying
their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus
have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to
govern or handle other races under their power."

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis,

1928. (Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)

"Incidents such as the above furnished the Dashnak government with the needed

excuse for undertaking a war of reprisal against the Tartars. This war quickly
developed into one of extermination. Horrible things happened, things that
words can neither describe nor make you understand. The memory of scenes I
witnessed and of incidents in which I participated still make me feel sick.
But war is always horrible, for it liberates all the fear and hate and
deviltry that are in men. ...............We closed the roads and mountain
passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded
in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of
stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants
fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work.
Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains
or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed.
And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia
from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the
cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful
ruins of Tartar villages. They are quite now, those villages, except
for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."

Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin

Source: F. Kazemzadeh, "The Struggle for Transcaucasia," (New York, 1951),
pp. 69-77.

This three-day massacre is recorded in history as the 'March Events' and
20,000 Turks, old people, women and children lost their lives.

Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields,"
Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481.

"As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars
as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre
of the Tartar population."

Source: E. Uras, "The Armenians in History," Istanbul, 1988, p. 932.

"The entire country was so thoroughly devastated and ruined by Russian
troops and especially by Armenian bands that today there is not one town,
not even a single village left unaffected by these raids and pillages."

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24,
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung."

"As demonstrated by the innumerable declarations, provocative pamphlets,
weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc., found in areas inhabited by
the Armenians, the rebellion had been prepared over a long time,
organized, strengthened and financed by Russia. Information was
received on time in Istanbul about an high-ranking state officials
and officers.

Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the
Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well.
The Armenian atrocities which I have witnessed were far worse than
the so-called Turkish brutality."

Vehip Pasha sent a telegram to Enver Pasha to contact the Office of the
Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Caucasian front, and demand that the
necessary measures be taken to put an end to the Armenian atrocities.[1]

"Vehip [Pasa] began by sending repeated protests against the action
of disbanded Russian soldiers and the massacres of Muslims committed
by Armenian bands."[2]

[1] Karabekir, K., "Cihan Harbine Nasil Girdik?" (Istanbul, 1938), p. 122.
[2] Ibid., p. 460.

And, let's see what the historians and historical documents have to say about
the Armenian genocide of the Muslims as opposed to forged documents.

It is obvious that the uprisings caused a lot of suffering to the local Muslim
people and left the Ottoman Government in a very difficult situation. For
example, because of the collaboration in Van in May 1915 between the Armenian
revolutionaries in the city, the regular Russian soldiers who came from Russia,
and the Armenian volunteers, the Turkish army vacated Van entirely. The Russians
took advantage of the uprisings in eastern Anatolia and began to advance
towards Erzurum in 1915. However, Russia was planning to annex the invaded lands
directly to its territory instead of surrendering them to the Armenians.[1]
Russia's real intentions became clear after Grand Duke Nicholas Romanov
became the Governor of Caucasia. In the early part of 1916, three thousand
Armenian volunteers were forcibly discharged, Antranik's unit was disbanded
by force, and the remaining Armenian soldiers were rendered ineffective in the
Russian Caucasian Army. When the Duke assumed his new position, his first action
was to place a severe censorship over the Armenian press in Caucasia and to
bring it firmly under his control. As for Russia's policy concerning the
Armenians, the Duke had no intention of granting autonomy to them, and his
intention was shared by Petrograd. Russian authorities who were aware that
Armenians did not constitute even a quarter of the population even in the
Caucasia believed that granting them autonomy would be a transgression upon
the rights the majority. They also objected to granting Armenians some
privileges in the lands which came under their rule. Russians confessed that
the privileges which had been granted to Armenians when these lands were
under Ottoman rule had not solved the problem, but neither did they accept
to make any reforms. What is more, there was no Armenian question according
to the Duke! Consequently, there could be no question of an Armenian
protectorate under the aegis of Russia.[2] According to Uras, the Russians
intended to make Eastern Anatolia "an Armenia without Armenians"; they wanted
to colonize this area with Russians and to establish a Kazakhstan there.[3]
The leader of the Dashnaktsutiun, Khatchaznuni corroborated this evaluation
by saying: "Russians did not intend to liberate the Turkish Armenians at any
cost, and they never had any such goal... We served them willingly, we were
mislead; in fact, we served their goals."[4]

The Armenians had applied to England (in addition to Russia) at the beginning
of the war. On 12 November 1914, Boghos Nubar Pasha suggested collaboration
to the British authorities in Cairo with the following words: "Armenians in
Cilicia are ready to enlist as volunteers to support a landing in Iskenderun,
Mersin or Adana. Armenians in mountainous areas can also provide valuable
support; they will rebel against Turks if they are supplied with arms and
ammunition."[5] Further, the Russian Ambassador in London submitted to England
a request of the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs that "England and France
should collaborate in sending to Iskenderun the arms and ammunition that
Armenians can use against Turks."[6] In its response, England was content
to say "If the Russian Government is certain that Armenian revolutionaries
can really be useful to the Allies, it can also supply these arms to them by
the Black Sea."[7] Similar subsequent proposals were also rejected.[8] There
were two causes which determined England's negative attitude. First, with the
treaty that they had concluded, London had given Cukurova and its vicinity
to France; it was consequently careful about taking any open action in this
area in order not to make its ally suspicious. Second, England had opened the
Dardanelles front against the Ottomans and the strategy of splitting Ottoman
Anatolia into two with a campaign from Iskenderun had not yet won the full
approval of the Ministry of War.

Contrary to official statements, England did not refrain from secretly helping
some Armenians. As early as 1905, it had approved the establishment of the
Armenian General Benevolent Union in Egypt under the leadership of Boghos
Nubar Pasha.[9] This society held a meeting in the summer of 1914 and decided
to send six Dashnak revolutionaries who were among its members to Adana to
make preparations for a revolution.[10] These revolutionaries held meetings
with churchgoers in Adana and promised that arms would be supplied for them
from Greece which was under British protection.[11] Cyprus, which was also
under British protection, was another important place of asylum for Armenian
revolutionaries. The British had opened an Armenian school also in Cyprus,
and the intention was to send its graduates to Anatolia to initiate a
revolution.[12] Furthermore, according to Ottoman records, the Zeytun rebellion
and then the disturbances which broke out in Maras, Urfa and Adana had been
created with British protection and support.[13] The admirals in the nearby
British fleet were in regular communication with Armenians in Adana, Dortyol,
Yumurtalik and Iskenderun.[14] The British had promised the revolutionaries
to launch a landing as soon as the revolution would start.[15] As a matter
of fact, a detachment of 60 English soldiers came to the Adana province on
23 January 1915, but it had to go back to the ships because it encountered
armed resistance.[16]

[1] E. Uras, "Tarihte Ermeniler ve Ermeni Meselesi," (Istanbul, 1976), p. 629.
[2] R. G. Hovannisian, "Armenia on the Road to Independence," 1918 (Los Angeles,
1967), pp. 62-64.
[3] Uras, op. cit., pp. 603, 633.
[4] J. R. Carlson, ed., "The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnagtzoutiun)
Has Nothing to do Any More: The Manifesto of Houhannes Katchaznouni,"
(New York, 1955), pp. 7-8.
[5] PRO, FO. 371/2146/70404, no. 257.
[6] Ibid., 2484/46942, 17 April 1915.
[7] Ibid., 22083, 24 February 1915.
[8] S. R. Sonyel, "The Armenian Deportations: A Re-Appraisal in the Light of
New Documents," Belleten, Vol. XXXVI, p. 37.
[9] BBA, BEO, Muhimme Kalemi, Perakende, 7-12, 28 December 1905. A Former
Ottoman Minister of Foreign Affairs Gabriel Noradunkian was elected
chairman of the Istanbul branch of this society.
[10] "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. XXXII, 83 (December 1983), document
numbered 1914.
[11] BBA, The Ministry of the Interior, "Sifre Defterleri No.41," from the
Ministry of the Interior to the Adana Province (4 June 1914).
[12] BBA, The Ministry of the Interior, "Gelen: 332, Genel: 98/601,"
12 November 1916.
[13] BBA, The Ministry of the Interior, "Sifre Defterleri No.40," from the
Ministry of the Interior to the provinces of Adana and Aleppo, 19 April
1914.
[14] "Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ...," p. 241: AMAE, Guerre 1914-1918, Turquie,
Vol. 906, ff. 28-33, Rapport de M. Guys remis a' l'Ambassade de France,
Istanbul, 24 July 1915.
[15] Uras, op. cit., p. 607.
[16] A. F. Erden, "Birinci Dunya Savasinda Suriye Hatiralari," (Istanbul, 1954),
p. 120.

Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934,
(73 pages with Appendix).

p. 15 (first paragraph)

"Method No. 8 is as follows:-
To wage fight, and to subject to terrorism the government officials, the
traitors, the betrayers, the usurers, and the exploiters of all description".

Method No. 11 is:-
"To subject the government institutions to destruction and pillage".

......
At first, these terrorist methods were resorted to in order to obtain money
for the revolutionary movements in the Turkish territory.

p. 25 (third paragraph)

"...Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."

Let's see what the historians and historical documents have to say on that
issue in addition to the ones that were already presented.
After the Ottoman Empire entered the First World War, the government became
more and more concerned as the Sublime Porte kept receiving intelligence to
the effect that Armenian revolutionary committees were collaborating with
the enemy and as uprisings broke out one after the other in Anatolia, but
it avoided taking any firm measures because it assumed that events would
eventually settle. In this period, the then Minister of the Interior Talat
Bey (later Talat Pasha) told Vartkes Efendi, the Armenian Member of
Parliament from Erzurum, that "If Armenians go on resorting to such actions,
they will be confronted with very strict measures." Similarly, the Deputy
Commander-in-Chief Enver Pasha held meetings with the Armenian Patriarch,
and asked him to advise his people to be peaceful, and continuously
emphasized the point that if the Armenian activities "became widespread,
the military government would be forced to take very harsh measures."[1]
However, the warnings of the government did not produce any positive
results; on the contrary, Van was lost. Subsequently, the Ministry of the
Interior, after having shown patience for nine months following mobilization,
sent a circular on 24 April 1915 to the governors and the sanjak governors
in areas where Armenian activities were taking place, and ordered them to
close down the headquarters and branches of all the Armenian revolutionary
committees, to confiscate their papers, and to arrest their leaders in
order to prevent other provinces from suffering the fate of Van.[2]

Two days after the Ministry of the Interior sent its circular ordering the
closing down of the Armenian revolutionary committees, Enver Pasha sent an
additional memorandum to the Ministry of war ordering the arrest of "harmful
Armenians."[3] A researcher who turns to the Ottoman archival documents
to examine the subject of these arrests, will also gain an insight about the
functioning of the Ottoman mechanism of justice. Thus, Armenian revolutionaries
who were arrested by Ottoman security forces during those years when war
conditions reigned, were tried in local court-martials, the records of each
individual found guilty were organized separately and sent first to the
Ministry of the Interior, and then to the Office of the Grand Vizier through
the Ministry of Justice; and finally, after the necessary reviews were
carried out by the Sublime Porte, the files of the criminals were presented
together with their arguments to the sultan for his approval. The documents
show that the sultan's verdict was given after the files were examined once
more at the palace. The minutes of the proceedings show that the following
reasons were cited in guilty verdicts: "He was a member of the Armenian
revolutionary party";[4] "They dared to undertake the act of treason";[5]
"They aspired and made preparations for the establishment of an independent
and autonomous Armenia";[6] "They participated in an uprising";[7] "He
attempted to lead a military unit of the Ottoman Empire to break away from
the control of the government";[8] "They prepared a rebellion";[9] "They
decided to establish an agreement to join the Armenian revolutionary
committees which had rebelled";[10] and, "He was a member of the most
active organ of the Armenian revolutionary committee... (and) shared the
revolutionary goals of the revolutionary committees."[11] After such an
introduction, the crimes of the Armenian revolutionaries were listed item
by item.

In his memorandum to the Ministry of War, Enver Pasha also requested that
those Armenians who were considered dangerous if allowed to remain in their
usual places of residence, should be gathered together in suitable places
and should be prevented from escaping. This memorandum was only intended
to ensure that the Armenian revolutionaries should be removed away from the
front, to places where they would not be able to establish contact with
the enemy, in order to prevent them from carrying on their activities which
threatened to destroy the internal security of the state while it was
engaged in a war. This measure was taken out of military considerations and
was intended to pacify the Armenian revolutionaries. However, it soon became
clear that this measure was inadequate: "It was impossible to restrict the
deportations to the revolutionaries. Led by the Patriarchate, the
revolutionaries had been agitating for thirty-five to forty years, so that
their organization had been extended down to the smallest villages, and
branches of revolutionary committees and bandits had been established even in
the smallest villages."[12] The bandits had provoked the Armenians against
the Muslim people, and they had also attacked the goods, lives and honor of
the Muslims. Merciless massacres had upset the soldiers; the army had begun
to think that not only were more effective measures necessary from a military
perspective, but were also a humanitarian duty.[13] As a matter of fact, a
communique' dated 2 May 1915 from the Acting Commander-in-Chief to the
Ministry of the Interior stated: "...It is necessary, ..., either to expel
the Armenians in question to Russia, or to relocate them and their families
in other regions of Anatolia. I request that the most suitable of these
alternatives be chosen and implemented."[14] Talat Bey describes the subsequent
development of events in the following manner:

"The army again insisted upon passing of the relocation law. I oppose it
again. Several very bitter experiences had taught me that cruelties by
Christians against Muslims were countenanced in Europe with great toleration
and calm whereas the smallest action by Muslims was exaggerated out of all
proportions. On account of this ... I knew from experience that (the
relocation) would be exploited at our expense ... During these discussions,
some went to the extent of accusing me of having no feelings and of
betraying the country."[15]

[1] "Ermeni Komitelerinin ...," pp. 235-237; and E. Bolayir, ed., "Talat
Pasa'nin Hatiralari," (Istanbul, 1946), p. 63.
[2] Ibid., Appendix no. 3.
[3] General Staff, Department of Military History and Strategic Studies,
"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi," vol. XXI, 81 (December 1982), document
no. 1829.
[4] Ibid., document no. 330159/47.
[5] Ibid., document no. 330071/45.
[6] 329947/44.
[7] 329868/43
[8] 329365/42.
[9] 329311/36.
[10] 369157/36.
[11] 329010/35. There are 88 documents in this file.
[12] "Ermeni Komitelerinin ...," p. 287.
[13] "Talat Pasa," op. cit., p. 64.
[14] S. Orel/S. Yuca, "The Talat Pasha Telegrams: Historical Fact or
Armenian Fiction?" (Nicosia and London, 1983), p. 116.
[15] "Talat Pasha," op. cit., pp. 64-65.

The record of Armenian revolutionary activities against the Ottoman Empire
is dealt with in detail in the work of the Harvard University diplomatic
historian, William Langer. Langer traces the manner by which the Armenian
revolutionaries sought to incite European intervention on behalf of their
cause. Specifically, by massacring innocent Muslim villagers, they hoped to
provoke counter-violence which would then serve as a pretext for European
intervention.

Langer writes:

. "Europeans in Turkey have agreed that the immediate aim of the agitators
was to incite disorder, bring about inhuman reprisals, and so provoke the
intervention of the powers. For that reason, it was said that, they operated
by preference in areas where the Armenians were in hopelessly minority, so
that reprisals would be certain. One of the revolutionaries told Dr. Hamlin,
the founder of Robert College, that Henchak bands would:

"watch their opportunity to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their
villages, and then make their escape into the mountains. The enraged
Moslems will then rise, and fall upon the defenseless Armenians and
slaughter them with such barbarity that Russia will enter in the name of
humanity and Christian civilization and take possession."

When the horrified missionary denounced the scheme as atrocious and infernal
beyond anything ever known, he received this reply:

"It appears so to you, no doubt; but we Armenians have determined to be
free. Europe listened to Bulgarian horrors and made Bulgaria free. She
will listen to our cry when it goes up in the shrieks and blood of
millions of women and children ... We are desperate. We shall do it."

. And so the revolutionaries began to get what they wanted - reprisals. It
mattered not to them that perfectly innocent people were being made to
suffer for the realization of a program drawn up by a group in Geneva or
Athens, a group which had never been given any mandate whatever by the
Armenian community.

. Hogarth tells of Armenians in the provinces who said they wished the
patriots would leave them alone. But these people were not consulted by
others for the sacrifice; their lives were the price to be paid for the
realization of the fantastic national-socialist state of the fanatics."

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged
massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
destruction of 300 villages."

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
official charges of massacres."

>I am not shifting anything. Your posting explicitly refered to
>"individual" and that's why I brought up Sadik's case - an individual.
>Now you are trying to connect this to a particular earlier discussion.
>If you did not relize the difference I hope you do now, otherwise if
>it is just to play I won't play.

Now, you broke my heart.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)

From "Foreword:"

"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and
destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
scattered among its ruins."

p. 20 (second paragraph).

"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great
fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."

p. 118.

"Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart
jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging
them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the
carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms.
Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they
sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot.

Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading
oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians
concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and
scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety.

This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by
barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene....
That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted
and completely destroyed."

p. 186.

"The Tartars were lying on the ground, bound hand and foot. ....Tartar
women, who in their eagerness to see what was going on had thrown back
their veils, were peering over the wall that enclosed the yard. At an
order from the commandant the soldiers began beating the Tartars. The
latter squirmed and screamed. The women raised a great uproar with their
shrieks and pleadings that mercy be shown their men. The punishment
continued until I thought it must be the intention of the commandant
to have the men beaten to death. He invited me to take a stick and flog
them. I could have found no pleasure in doing so and begged to be
excused."

p. 192.

"Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the
retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered
into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores
that had been left by the Turks."

p. 193.

"Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages
were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."

p. 195.

"The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order
of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians."

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph).

(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)

'How many people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Turk officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....

The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap
of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
spinning-wheels.

p. 354.

"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
Moslem villages."

p. 358.

"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three
sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov
said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.

"That is for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror that
our cruelty beats theirs."

"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."

p. 360.

"The ridges circled a wide expanse, its floors still. Hundreds of feet down,
the fog held, solid as cotton flock. 'Djul lies under that,' said Dro,
pointing. 'Our men also attack from the other sides.'

Then, 'Whee-ee!' - his whistle lined up all at the rock edge. Bayonets
clicked upon carbines. Over plunged Archo, his black haunches rippling;
then followed the staff, the horde - nose to tail, bellies taking the
spur. Armenia in action seemed more like a pageant than war, even though
I heard our Utica brass roar.

As I watched from the height, it took ages for Djul to show clear. A tsing
of machine-gun fire took over from the thumping batteries; cattle lowed,
dogs barked, invisible, while I ate a hunk of cheese and drank from a snow
puddle. Mist at last folded upward as men shouted, at first heard faintly.
The came a shrill wailing.

Now among the cloud-streaks rose darker wisps - smoke. Red glimmered about
house walls of stone or wattle, into dry weeds on roofs. A mosque stood in
clump of trees, thick and green. Through crooked alleys on fire, horsemen
were galloping after figures both mounted and on foot.

'Tartarski!' shouted the gunner by me. Others pantomimed them in escape
over the rocks, while one twisted a bronze shell-nose, loaded, and yanked
breech-cord, firing again and again. Shots wasted, I thought, when by
afternoon I looked in vain for fallen branch or body. But these shots and
the white bursts of shrapnel in the gullies drowned the women's cries.

At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward
Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and
tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly,
through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in-
arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."

Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
(287 pages).
(British officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)

p. 184 (second paragraph)

"...I had received further very definite information of horrors that
had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment
of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that
'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in
independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being
without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were
constantly being committed, for which we should with justice
eventually be held to be morally responsible'."

p. 177 (third paragraph)

"...Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the
Moslem villages in the plain...."

"Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the
plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of
their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security
and protection..."

p. 178 (first paragraph)

"...in those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for
arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such
search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures
had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where
valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence,
although they had been unable to find them."

p. 179 (first paragraph)

"Shortly afterwards the head of the miserable column appeared. There were
in all about 200 persons, mostly old men and women and children, with a
few ox-carts, ponies, and donkeys, carrying all their worldly possessions,
except a few sheep that they were driving before them. Their leader
interviewed Bekir Bey, and was told to keep farther on into the hills,
where he would be able to cross the frontier into Turkey unmolested by
his enemies."

p. 181 (first paragraph)

"...the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with
artillery, with probably a large force in support."

p. 175 (first paragraph)

"The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement
that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the
Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the
British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation
commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced
the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the
pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms.
In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able
to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will
be referred to in due course.

p. 241 (second paragraph)

"...he himself wished to 'drink the blood of the Turks', and also
to establish Bolshevik committees and every other kind of horror
all over the country."

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 12, 1991, 5:45:44 PM3/12/91

In article <66...@rex.cs.tulane.edu>,

c...@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras), "the beacon of ignorance,"
continued to entertain us with non-points as a 'racist' cheerleader
of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle:

>Subject: Keep off ?

Are you trying to keep the kitchen clean for the frying process
of 'mutlu?' Keep your paws off the sct participants, 'samyel beyin.'

>This is not your backyard to tell anyone off. Post your protests like
>everyone else does (surprise, surprise!!) and keep your ousting instructions
>to yourself.

Cheerleading and frying squad (kro/kova duo) for the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle is in action and ready to serve
their masters by frying 'mutlu.' I'll give you 'beyinsiz' creatures
several factual pointers soon you never learned in ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle's 'kopek' training sessions. In
the meantime, though, let me proceed with the Turkish genocide.

Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

pp. 863-864.

In the Armenian National Congress held in February 1915 in Tiflis, the
Dashnak representative gave the following report:

"As is well known, the Russian government contributed 242,900 roubles
at the beginning of the War for the provision of arms and training to
the Turkish Armenians as well as for organizing revolts in Turkish
Armenia. It is expected that our volunteer bands will penetrate the
Turkish lines, joining up with the insurrectionists and, if possible,
by creating panic in the rear of the Turkish army, help the advance
of the Russian troops and facilitate their invasion of Turkish
Armenia."

The Russian government had given Armenian politicians and activists free
rein to pursue their policies and to express their thoughts on one
condition alone: that they fulfilled their obligations to the Russians
by organizing a rebellion in Turkish Armenia within the specified time.

In accordance with the strategic plans and the orders of the Russian
military command, the Dashnaks took the following decision:

"As soon as the Armenian volunteer units commanded by Antranik approach
Van, the Dashnak fighters in the area will take to the mountains and
unfurl the flag of revolt. The plans for the rebellion will be
implemented in April 1915. The Catholicos has informed us that 10,000
armed fighters are ready to join the action."

In this way, the Dashnaks would be able to show that they had fulfilled
their obligations to the Tsar and to imperialist Russia. It is self-evident
that when tens of thousands of people take up arms in revolt against the
state immediately behind its lines of battle, that country's very existence
is at stake and the suppression of the rebellion becomes a matter of life
and death.

Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

pp. 865-867.

The activities planned by the Armenian committees may be summarized
as follows:

1. To desert from the Turkish army in groups together with arms and
ammunition.

2. To create disorder and panic in order to induce the Turkish soldiers
to desert and return home to protect their families and villages.

3. To seize military transportation and to attack convoys of soldiers,
provisions and equipment.

4. To take up arms as soon as the Russians crossed the border and
encircle the Turkish army from behind.

5. To desert together with arms and ammunition and join the Russian army
as volunteers.

6. To burn farm produce as well as churches and houses before leaving
the villages.

7. To engage in spying on behalf of the Allied states.

8. To demoralize the Turks and spread propaganda to make them desert the
army.

Subversive activities from which preparations had been made since the
declaration of the mobilization were carried out in accordance with the
plan outlined above. The first rebellion broke out in Zeytun...

Particularly during the fall of Van and the march of the Russians on
the eastern provinces, the Muslims population was ruthlessly slaughtered
by Armenian volunteer revenge units.

Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

p. 867.

A report dated December 24, 1912, No. 63, addressed to the Russian
ambassador in Istanbul and prepared by the Bitlis Russian Consul,
gives the following description of the activities of the Dahsnaktsutiun
Party:

"The Dashnaks have had a considerable part to play in forming Armenian
public opinion in the manner described above. This committee is taking
great pains to instigate clashes between the Armenian and Moslem
population, so as to give rise to a critical situation which would
attract Russian intervention and prepare the ground for the invasion
of the country by Russian troops."

Both in this province and in Van, the Armenians complied as soon as
they were called up to the army, but as soon as they were conscripted
and given weapons, they deserted and, forming bands, joined with the
enemy to fight against the Ottoman troops and the gendarmerie.

Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

pp. 851-853.

Even before the war between the Ottoman Empire and Russia started,
military preparations were already being made in Transcaucasia. Armenian
volunteers flocked from everywhere to Transcaucasia, and Tiflis in
particular, in order to enlist in the Russian army or to join the
bands and revenge squads organized for the fight against Turkey.
Antranik was brought over to Tiflis; Garegin Pastirmadjian, formerly
the Erzurum deputy in the Ottoman Parliament, was sent by the Committee
to Transcaucasia in order to supervise the preparations. The
Dashnaktsutiun itself became fully active. Tchalkouchian gives the
following account of the activities during this period:

"...The time has come for the Armenians to prove their unwavering
loyalty to the Russian nation. The Armenians must not shrink from
sacrifices to save their brothers across the border."

In October 1914, the Tsar declared war on the Ottoman Empire and
ordered the Russian army to cross the Turkish border. On the same date,
the Dashnaktsutiun also declared war on Turkey. The Committee published
the following report in the newspaper, Horizon:

"Today, the time has come to put an end to the bloody history of the
martyrdom of the Turkish Armenians. In the changing circumstances
of our own day the Armenians will have authority over their own
administration and will fight with their own forces against their
enemies on their own soil.

It is evident that the Armenians had to determine their policy and
join one or the other side. In effect, they chose to support the
Allied Powers and to place all their forces under the command of
Russia. ...The Armenians are strongly aware of the causes which led
them to take this stand and are, therefore, organizing and preparing
themselves accordingly.

Throughout history the Armenians have been extremely cautious and this
caution has been frequently interpreted as cowardice or servility.
Today is not a time for caution. The Armenians stand up with a clear
conscience. Apart from the Armenians in the Russian armies, they
form volunteer bands which also participate in the war on the battle
field. These will fight in the same ranks as the Russian soldiers and
by helping them with their modest forces, they will secure victory
for the Allied States."

"Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever

hasan.b.mutlu

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Mar 12, 1991, 5:33:32 PM3/12/91

In article <910311231...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>,

DK...@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Dimitrios Kouvatsos), "the beacon of fraud,"
who has already committed a crime by forging usenet articles,

threatened to assassinate the sct participants as a 'criminal'
cheerleader of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle.
But, it is an honor to display the criminal and smelly member of the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle on sct before I am
iced.

>Subject: mutlu will fry his own dirty a**

Hmmm. The criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle seem to be determined to ice 'mutlu.' But, the real question
is: will 'mutlu' be executed by Kova according to the following
predetermined and openly printed plans or with a newly invented frying
technique that is not known to the rest of the world? BTW, what is the
latest reward for the assassination of 'mutlu' at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism Triangle?

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <9...@urartu.UUCP>

"Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle <2...@urartu.UUCP>

But, you've got a problem and here is what to do. In your haste, you may
overlook a whole bunch of alternative butchering methods, or frying
techniques that could lead to cleaner solutions. For instance, would
you consider frying 'mutlu' with 'greece' or without 'greece?' It is
a well established fact that frying 'mutlu' without 'greece' would
lead to a neater solution. However, sometimes executing your task
as a criminal member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle can not be a blessing and may make you miserable and more
smelly for the rest of your life, 'dipsiz kova.' On the other hand,
frying your *** without 'greece' might make you less smelly, 'donsuz
kisot.' CIA, FBI and a bunch of lawyers will soon make you criminals
the real actors in a movie called 'Midnight Express II.' Do we have a
great surprise for you criminals?

Speaking of frying, though,

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928).

(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)

p. 133 (first paragraph)

"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."

In the meantime, let me continue to expose the criminal and racist
members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle for
the rest of the netters who would prefer non-frying 'mutlu.'

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From: h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (hasan.b.mutlu)
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Subject: Mr. Kouvatsos' History Lessons (11)
Summary: Mr. Kouvatsos is a "registered liar" (more evidence)
Keywords: Liar's candle won't last long...(fabrication of my article)
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In article <900406072...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos") claims that
"Mutlu is a liar" without providing a shred of evidence to back up his
unsubstantiated charges:

>>In article <900402080...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
>>DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos")
>>continues his entertainment process as a cheer-leader:

> This only shows your meanness, Mr.

I think you have a big misconception about how life works. Life is the
only game, in which the object of the game is to learn the rules. If you act
like a cheer-leader, your act will be labeled as such, if you are caught lying,
you will be labeled as a liar.

> Yes, we saw it and we enjoyed it!

I feel flattered.

> Bristol was simply doing everything in his power to win over the
>Kemalists - and has been exposed to be blindly pro-Turkish. He thought
>the Turks superior to Greeks, Arabs, Jews.

Just like Toynbee.
Just like Dewey.
Just like Langer.
Just like Barton.
Just like Chester.
...................

> I said, I saw and I laughed. Thanks for the entertainment.

And, I said: I am flattered.

> Another sample of Mr. Mutlu's meanness of spirit.

Let us see.

>>> "Our fellow countrymen committed unheard-of crimes, resorted
>>> to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized deportations
>>> and massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped
>>> women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand
>>> and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers, appropriated
>>> personal property and real estate, drove people to Mesopotamia and
>>> treated them inhumanely on the way... They put thousands of innocent
>>> people into boats which were sunk at sea... They put Armenians in
>>> the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in
>>> history"
>>> Mustafa Kemal, 1919 [1]

>>"I guess you dug your own trap then jumped in.I never stated that the Mustafa

>>Kemal at the Turkish Court Martials was the same as the Mustafa Kemal that
>>became Ataturk. YOU DID. Do you actually think I could get away with such a
>>childish "trick" as you describe my posting. Anyone who has made it through
>>Turkish high school knows that Ataturk was never around the Istanbul trials of
>>1919. Please show me where I made the renaming!!!"
>>
>> <2...@urartu.SDPA.org>

> So what. Mr. Davidian says clearly, he never said that this Mustafa
>Kemal was the one who later became known as Ataturk. There is not only
>one John Smith in the USA. Did you really expect that Mr. Davidian
>would try something so childish, to claim that this was Ataturk?
>Everybody knows that in 1919 he was in eastern Anatolia.

It is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.

>>>First of all,
>>>there were no Soviets in 1914, Mr. Mutlu! Let's take it as Russians.

>>Simply imitating your superior logic, that's all (e.g.,
>>Turkish-Soviet/ Soviet-Armenian - get it!) See above.

> It might also denote your need for a history refreshment.

I am in the process.

Now is the time to further expose a liar with a step by step algorithm.
I won't let you get away with your baseless accusations, Mr.
As in his last attempt, Mr. liar goes on to throw in a whole grab bag of
notions he hopes will offend me, so that the confusion of the real issue can
be used in place of relevant discussion. If we extract some of these disparate
matters, things look rather different.

DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos") claims:

And, I say:

>>
>>Would you please prove your above accusations - otherwise, you will be
>>in deep mud, Mr.

And, Mr liar writes:

> Well, you asked for it, Mister.

And, he goes on:

> 1. L. Nalbandian, _The Armenian Revolutionary Movement_

> This text covers a time frame that ends in 1896, about two
> decades before the Armenian genocide!

Again, the claim is: "You [Mutlu] have been revealed even to use non-existent
or fabricated sources" which I have not (Lie #n). Therefore, he is a liar.

L. Nalbandian, "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The Development
of Armenian Political Parties through the Nineteenth Century,"
University of California Press, Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1963 (247 pages).

p. 110 (first paragraph)

p. 111 (second paragraph)

"The most opportune time to institute the general rebellion for carrying

out the immediate objective was when Turkey was engaged in a war."

And, he goes on:

> 2. November 1914 Issue of the Official Armenian Gazette Huntchak

> Alas, this source has never existed!

Again, the claim is: "You [Mutlu] have been revealed even to use non-existent
or fabricated sources" which I have not (Lie #n + 1). Therefore, he is a liar.

And, he goes on:

> 3. K.S. Papazian _Patriotism perverted_

Again, the claim is: "You [Mutlu] have been revealed even to use non-existent
or fabricated sources" which I have not (Lie #n + 2). Therefore, he is a liar.

K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934,
(73 pages with Appendix).

p. 15 (first paragraph)

"Method No. 8 is as follows:-
To wage fight, and to subject to terrorism the government officials, the
traitors, the betrayers, the usurers, and the exploiters of all description".

Method No. 11 is:-
"To subject the government institutions to destruction and pillage".

......
At first, these terrorist methods were resorted to in order to obtain money
for the revolutionary movements in the Turkish territory.

p. 25 (third paragraph)

"...Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."

And, he goes on:

Again, the claim is: "You [Mutlu] have been revealed even to use non-existent
or fabricated sources" which I have not (Lie #n + 3). Therefore, he is a liar.

See above - already proven by Armenian sources (BTW, you will see every single
page of those so-called "non-existent or fabricated" sources on your screen.)

And, he goes on:

>"almost
>three million muslims disappeared from Turkey", supposedly quoting the
>sources:

I am not, sir, you put those quotes there and attributed to me. I think
this should be considered fraud. Have you ever thought about changing
your profession?

> 1. McCarthy, Justin. _Muslims and Minorities: The population of
> Ottoman Anatolia and the end of the Empire_, New York and London,
> (New York University Press), 1983.
> 2. Karpat, Kemal H. _Ottoman Population 1830-1914: Demographic and
> Social characteristics_, Madison, (The University of Wisconsin
> Press), 1985.

Again, the claim is: "You [Mutlu] have been revealed even to use non-existent
or fabricated sources" which I have not (Lie #n + 4). Therefore, he is a liar.

Let's take number 1. p. 133 (under "The Muslims").

See also p. 134. Table 7.10 "Muslim Deaths."

[Mine: Excluding those Muslims exterminated by the Armenians in the Republic
of Armenia]

And, he writes:

> You are the liar, Mr.

Is something wrong with this algorithm?

Let's continue:

>>> 2. November 1914 Issue of the Official Armenian Gazette Huntchak

>>> Alas, this source has never existed!

>>Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #2.

>>EXTRACTS FROM THE NOVEMBER ISSUE (1914) OF THE ARMENIAN PAPER ,
>>"HINTCHAK" PUBLISHED IN PARIS, ORGAN OF THE ARMENIAN HINTCHAK
>>COMMITTEE.

> This is the only source that I indeed said doesn't exist. The
>Huntchaks certainly existed, but not an "Official Armenian Gazette
>Huntchak". Mr. Mutlu returns insisting and posting supposed extracts
>from it. I wouldn't say that just because he says that it is a lie,
>but I wouldn't accept his word on that matter at face value, he may
>even be wrong without knowing it. However, I will retract my claim
>until I am 100% sure.

It is as solid as US Constitution, Mr. Besides, it makes an excellent
attachment for letters and receives an excellent review from receivers.

Let's continue:

>>>> 3. K.S. Papazian _Patriotism perverted_

>>>> A pro-Soviet propaganda work by the Armenian Communist Party
>>>> attacking an anticommunist Armenian party. The Soviet Union was
>>>> also attacking Armenia and, as elsewhere, the communists betrayed
>>>> their country to their Soviet masters.

>>>Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #3.

>> Have you totally lost your mind, Mr.? I write cleary, this source
>>is not serious because it is a pro-Soviet propaganda work - this of
>>course implying that it exists and is not fabricated!

In other words, you admit your moral and intellectual turpitude and surrender
in the face of a superior-intellect. Well done!

>>>But that's not all. "Mr." Mutlu also claimed at some other time that
>>>"Turks and Kurds were unlucky because they happened to be living with
>>>Armenian revolutionary bands and Armenian terrorists" and that

>>Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #4.

> Your ridiculousness deepens, Mr.! Where on Earth is that quote "Turks
>and Kurds were unlucky... ...Armenian terrorists"? Even now you do not
>provide it anywhere _in_ _these_ _two_ _books_ where you claimed you
>found it!

I would be interested in knowing the original source of this so called
fabricated "quote" of mine. Poor "exposed liar." I guess, you are in trouble
again since I have never said that " " has been taken from those references.
They are cold hard facts backed by those references as I proved "god knows
how many times."
No quotes, no references associated with the original claim which might
lead to yet another court case since my original article was deliberately
modified and presented without my knowledge. Boy! I might as well make some
money out of this whole discussion, after all.

And, of course:

> You are the exposed liar, Mr.

Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images. (Jean Cocteau)

>>
>>See above - already proven by Armenian sources (many more available
>>upon request).
>>
>>>"almost
>>>three million muslims disappeared from Turkey", supposedly quoting
>>>the sources:

Don't you ever misquote my original articles, Mr. Otherwise, you might be
in a bigger trouble than you might think.

>>> 1. McCarthy, Justin. _Muslims and Minorities: The population of
>>> Ottoman Anatolia and the end of the Empire_, New York and London,
>>> (New York University Press), 1983.
>>> 2. Karpat, Kemal H. _Ottoman Population 1830-1914: Demographic and
>>> Social characteristics_, Madison, (The University of Wisconsin
>>> Press), 1985.

>>Claim: "Non-existent or fabricated" source: Lie #5.

> Again Mr. Mutlu insults our intelligence! I said that his quotes
>were not in these sources, and here lies the fabrication - I didn't
>say that these sources did not exist.

This creature, intermediate between male and eunuch (Simon de Beauvoir).

>>Let's take number 1. p. 133 (under "The Muslims").

>>"Two and a half million Muslims died in Anatolia in the period of World
>>War I and the Turkish War of Independence, or 18% of the total Muslim
>>population. The figure of 18%, however, does not properly elucidate the
>>mortality of Anatolian's Muslims. Death rates were actually much higher
>>in the theaters of war."
>>
>>See also p. 134. Table 7.10 "Muslim Deaths."

> So what! 15% of the Greeks also died in 1940-50 -of old age, disease,
>war, etc. Where does your source say that it was the Armenians who
>killed your "almost three million Muslims", Mr. exposed liar?

p. 119. (McCarthy)

"...the war became one of extermination in which the villagers of the other
side were annihilated."

"...Armenian activities at the rear of the Ottoman army were a factor..."

Do you still have the same face, Mr. registered liar. This is indeed
becoming fun.

> And what about number 2, Mr.? Did you find your quotes there? If not
>- and you don't give anything here - you are the exposed liar, again.

Your ignorance is hardly characteristic of most people. They are not quotes,
Mr. they are cold hard facts backed by those documents. I demand the
reproduction of my original article so that I can humiliate you a bit more.
Poor guy!
Are you blind or simply a deliberate attempt to draw attention to your
severe case of myopia. The title is "Ottoman Population 1830-1914" and
^^^^
now start from p. 116 and figure out how many people were living in the
region before the war and move to McCarthy and determine how many people
survived the war, then make the simple algebra, assuming you are capable of
doing, and post the results to confirm Historians' and my claim as a
homework problem. Perhaps, you don't even know when the war started -
nothing to be surprised about.

Oboy! After exposing every one of your lies one by one with more than 30
references and receiving those responses back with no reference at all,
I guess I should stop providing any more of them.
Next time, I will reproduce your earlier ridiculous claims with no
reference and expose them one by one with more than 200 solid references.
Let's see whether you will be able to survive the heat (BTW, I do save all
of your ridiculous articles).

>>> And this is the liar, the mudslinger drowning in the blood of the
>>>innocent victims their extermination is desparately trying to cover up

>>>who comes to accuse me that I am deep in the mud! This is the worthy
>>>product of his cannibal Young Turk forefathers...
>>
>>Congratulations - you amply deserved the title "liar."

> No chance, Mr. It is you who deserved it.

It is useless for sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while
wolves remain of a different opinion. (Ralph Inge)

Still, any mirror around? If you still have it, of course; that is the face?

>>> I just realized what a long way you have to go until you become a
>>>decent human being, therefore your "history lessons" will henceforth
>>>be treated with the contempt they deserve. Until you reach a certain
>>>point where discussions can be carried out with reasoning and true
>>>references, not with shameless lies and falsifications - if ever.Until
>>>then, I have nothing to deal with liars like you. And I am not at all
>>>confused with the Lausanne treaty - for example, I know full well
>>>that you barbarians tore its provisions apart with your pogroms that
>>>destroyed Constantinople, Imbros and Tenedos Greeks...
>>
>>Any mirror around?

My Greek forefathers never told me those things. I am astonished!

> Well, a second mirror is needed.

People do not deserve to have good writing, they are so pleased with bad.
(Ralph Waldo Emerson)

And, the Armenian genocide of Muslims....

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,

Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph).

(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)

'How many people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Turk officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap
of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
spinning-wheels.

>Well, 'mutlu', I warned you. But now you have slandered me not only as
>a member of you "terrorist triangle", but as a 'self-admitted' member -
>while it is too obvious that I have never said anything about your "ter-
>rorist triangle", much less "admitted" a membership...

Let us continue to fry a smelly member of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
and Revisionism Triangle without 'greece' - shall we?

From h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM Sat Apr 7 12:23:07 1990

Path: cbnewsd!hbm
From: h...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish

Subject: Mr. Kouvatsos' History Lessons (10)
Summary: Mr. Kouvatsos is a "registered liar" (more proofs)
Keywords: Liar's candle won't last long...
Message-ID: <14...@cbnewsd.ATT.COM>
Date: 7 Apr 90 16:23:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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In article <900406072...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>
DK0A%LEHIGH...@IBM1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU ("Dimitrios Kouvatsos") continues to
show his ignorance on world history:

> Great! Now the Turkish Government lobbyist has left me speechless!

I'd be most interested in justification of this accusation. It seems to
me that it is necessary that you provide acceptable definitions for
*Turkish Government lobbyist*, that can be applicable to me. From the
content of my articles, I still fail to see how you could make such
a conclusion. Besides, I don't give a thunder what you think about me;
I must confess a curiosity.

>It is not only Lloyd George. It is also Churchill, of all people, who
>is called "anti-Turkish agitator" and prejudiced - and the official
>"British Blue Book" is called "shameful"! Why? Because his Turkish
>Government mentors happen to dislike the truth, it is even Churchill,
>Lloyd George and the "Blue Book" that must be spreading lies and
>"anti-Turkish agitation"... "Mr." Mutlu has certainly reached his
>here - it is simply ridiculous.

I guess, you have to discuss this issue with Toynbee, not with me.
Besides, see "British Propaganda at Home and in the United States, From
1914 to 1917," by James Duane Squires, Harvard University Press, 1935.

>>It is also worth mentioning that the same Churchill this time as Prime
>>Minister of England chose to ignore the destruction of European Jewry
>>during WWII, since the publicity would have been a harmful affect to
>>the policy of his government. This policy was to close the door of
>>Palestine to a small number of Jews who managed to escape from the
>>clutches of the Gestapo. Most of them were sent back to their doom.

> Mr. Mutlu is essentially saying here that Churchill was anti-semitist

At least be sure that you go to the author to get at his meaning, not to
find yours (John Ruskin).

>or at least that he didn't give a damn about the Jews.

As the people of Anatolia say "fear an ignorant man more than a lion."
I understand this is going to be a fun semester.

Let's start with an elementary school book with pictures!

Source #1: The Reader's Digest Illustrated History of World War II, "The
World at Arms," 1989!

Now, more serious ones:

Source #2: "Heritage, Civilization and the Jews," by Abba Eban, Simon &
Schuster, 1984.
Source #3: "Abba Eban," An Autobiography, Random House, Inc., New York, 1977.
Source #4: "Jews, God and History," by Max I. Dimont, The New American Library,
Inc. (Signet), New Jersey, 1962.
Source #5: "Istanbul Intrigues," by Barry Rubin, McGraw Hill, 1989.
.....
And, many more available.

Source #3: p. 79 (fourth paragraph).

"If any one had wanted to know what Churchill meant by a 'squalid war,'
he would have found out by watching British soldiers using rifle butts,
hose pipes and tear gas against the survivors of the death camps. Men,
women and children were forcibly taken off to prison ships, locked in
cages belowdecks and sent out to Palestine waters."

Source #3: p. 67 (first paragraph).

"Churchill himself, as he often testified, had been so alienated by the
killing of his friend that he had 'ceased to care' what happened to the
Zionist enterprise."

Source #5: pp. 207-208.
(Homework Problem)

And, Mr. exposed liar continues with whatever face is left:

> Mr. Mutlu is _lying_.

Ditto!

> "Parliament's indifference to the lot of Chech Jews infuriated
>Churchill...
> The Chamberlain government announced that British policy in
>Palestine had been changed. Unlimited Jewish immigration was over;
>strict limits would be imposed on the number entering Palestine for
>the next five years, and after that all Jews would be turned away...
>This closed the chief refuge for European Jews fleeing the growing
>Nazi Empire...
> This was popular in the Reich. But it was also a renunciation of
>the Balfour declaration, which in 1917 had promised British support 'in
>the establishment (in Palestine) of a national home for the Jewish
>people'. To Churchill, who had been a Zionist for thirty years, it
>constituted a shocking act of treachery and a violation of his personal
>honor. In 1921, as colonial secretary, he had committed Britain to the
>founding of a homeland for the Jews... And in 1937 he had reaffirmed
>his support of such a nation publicly and, privately, to Chaim
>Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, who had become
> close friend." [1]
> "Churchill was an ardent Zionist since 1908..." [2]

And the references are:

>[1]._The last lion_ Winston Spencer Churchill - Alone, William
> Manchester, p.399.
>[2]. ibid, p.102.

Need I say more?

> It was Chamberlain who did what Mr. Mutlu accuses Churchill of
>doing. On the contrary, Churchill vehemently protested.

Poor Churchill! Let the Jews speak for themselves.
Again,

Source #3: p. 79 (fourth paragraph).
"If any one had wanted to know what Churchill meant by a 'squalid war,'
he would have found out by watching British soldiers using rifle butts,
hose pipes and tear gas against the survivors of the death camps. Men,
women and children were forcibly taken off to prison ships, locked in
cages belowdecks and sent out to Palestine waters."

Now, the real question is: who to believe? Churchill or Abba Eban for
the truth.

And, Mr. exposed liar continues with whatever face is left:

> Mr. Mutlu is a liar.

Ditto!

(to be continued)

> Your lies are so preposterous that will result in the frying of your
>own very dirty and smelly ass. Sit down and enjoy, barbarian...

Now, let me throw this trash in the 'dipsiz kova.'

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,

Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)

p. 361 (fourth paragraph)

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever

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