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Friday Journal - June 7, 1996

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Zafar Ansari

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Jun 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/20/96
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ju...@pi-user.pi.net wrote:
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> In article <4p9sbv$3...@news.ghgcorp.com>, <ba...@ghgcorp.com> writes:
> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> > | In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful |
> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> > | #### ## ### ### |
> > | # # # # # # |
> > | #### #### # ### |
> > | # # # # # # # |
> > | # R I D # # Y ## O U # # N A L |
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> > | Friday, June 7, 1996 Volume 1 No. 8 Muharram 20, 1417 |
> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> > The End.

>
>This journal isn't objectief. It's to fundamental!!!!!


Very eloquently said!!

ZAA

Bosnian Congress USA

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Jun 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/21/96
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We,the citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina, who were exiled by force
from our country into the USA and who understand the importance of
today's events on the future of our country, would like to send to
the representatives of the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina the
following:

PETITION

Regarding the announcement of the rules for the election of the governing
officials by the Temporary Election Committee of the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), first in the city of Mostar,
and shortly after in all of Bosnia-Herzegovina, we strongly demand that
the elections be postponed until the return of all Bosnian refugees to
their homes is completed. If the elections go on as planned by the OSCE
Temporary Election Committee and its leader Mr. Robert Frowick, we know
that the result would be the destruction of Bosnia-Herzegovina as an
independent country and the refugees, who were the vicims of the genocide
and ethnic cleansing, never would be allowed to return to their homes.

Having seen the previous performance of our government and its
readiness to cave in under pressure, we are justifiably concerned
about its future actions. No one, much less the highest officials of
the government of Bosnia-Herzegovina, has the right to take
actions which will lead to the destruction of our homeland, and your
participation in these elections would mean the capitulation of our
country.

We have been the victims of genocide committed by the enemies of our
country, and the wounds inflicted on us are still fresh and will
never fully heal. Because of the wounds inflicted on us and in honor
of those Bosnians who died for our homeland, we insist that you don't
hold the elections in Mostar and other parts of the country until
we are allowed to participate in them at HOME.

The refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina, dispersed in 127 countries
all over the world, are living through the nightmare of slaughter and
genocide inflicted on them by the latest form of fascism. Your
participation in the elections before refugees return to their homes
would put you in the same class with those who committed genocide on
our people, as you would be killing our country. Don't be
participants in the genocide of your own people and country. Don't
you kill us too!

If you, the top officials of the government, decide not to listen to our
voice, we hope that our brothers and sisters at home, as well as any
patriots of an undivided Bosnia-Herzegovina, will. By boycotting these
elections, we will show the creators of the Dayton agreement, which is
immoral and every day adjusted to accommodate our enemies, that we are a
people with dignity and that we are aware of the scheme against us.

LONG LIVE UNDIVIDED BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA.

Boston, May 19, 1996

Signatures from Boston - USA:

Gusic, Bedrudin (USA, Banja Luka)
Colakhodzic, Kemal (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Mirzo (USA, Mostar)
Custovic, Dusanka (USA, Mostar)
Colakhodzic, Amar (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Omica (USA, Mostar)
Mahinic, Seada (USA, Mostar)
Gusic, Dzenan (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Mirsada (USA, Banja Luka)
Gusic, Sead (USA, Banja Luka)
Alagic, Fahrudin (USA, Sanski Most)
Omerbasic, Mensur (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Faruk (USA, Sarajevo)
Omerbasic, Zumreta (USA, Sarajevo)
Colakhodzic, Jasminka (USA, Mostar)
Cehic, Sulejman (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Enes (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Rahmana (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Cehic, Zahida (USA, Bosanski Novi)
Alagic, Sead (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Nasiha (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Ismet (USA, Sanski Most)
Alagic, Seida (USA, Sanski Most)
Lakaca, Dzebrail (USA, Duvno)
Kusturica, Resad (USA, Sarajevo)
Misic, Ibrahim (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Amra (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Elma (USA, Mostar)
Dzindic, Hikmet (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Melika (USA, Brcko)
Dzindic, Bahrija (USA, Brcko)
Gutosic, Irma (USA, Brcko)
Causevic, Fazila (USA, Sarajevo)
Causevic, Emir (USA, Sarajevo)
Lakaca, Elvis (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Alisa (USA, Duvno)
Lakaca, Ajka (USA, Duvno)
Misic, Ahmet (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semsa (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semir (USA, Mostar)
Misic, Semira (USA, Mostar)
Haracic, Rahmo (USA, Bugojno)
Djulovic, Enis (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Borogovac, Mirza (USA, Tuzla) <ha...@BU.edu>
Borogovac, Musadik (USA, Sarajevo) <mus...@tiac.net>
Skoko, Kimeta (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Salih (USA, Banja Luka)
Skoko, Semija (USA, Banja Luka)
Dracic-Islamovic, Vlasta (USA, Banja Luka)
Borogovac, Nefa (USA, Tuzla)
Hadziahmetovic, Avdo (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Mehmed (USA, Foca)
Hadziahmetovic, Fahra (USA, Foca)
Kameric, Dinka (USA, Stolac)
Kameric, Zenun (USA, Teocak)
Islamovic, Kadima (USA, Bijeljina)
Islamovic, Zijah (USA, Bijeljina)
Dobric, Vasko (USA, Mostar)
Dobric, Aida (USA, Mostar)
Sijercic, Dervisa (USA, Mostar)
Duhovic, Emina (USA, Gorazde)
Dr. Borogovac, Muhamed (USA, Tuzla) <az...@tiac.net>
Talic, Alija (USA, Sanski Most)
Saracevic, Kenan (USA, Jajce)
Ljubovic, Adnan (USA, Mostar)
Islamovic, Ajnur (USA, Banja Luka)
Keco, Nasuf (USA, Capljina)
Keco, Sahzija (USA, Capljina)
Lakaca, Izeta (USA, Duvno)

Bosnians, all over the world, support the petition.

Dr. Sijercic, Zlatko (USA, Banja Luka) <sije...@cs.ColoState.EDU>
Cadra, Denijal (USA, Mostar) <dca...@kennedy.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Cadra, Nermina (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Maja (USA, Mostar)
Cadra, Sead (USA, Mostar)
Dr. Sendijarevic, Vahid (USA, Tuzla) <sen...@udmercy.edu>
Dr. Sendijarevic, Aisa (USA, Tuzla) <sen...@udmercy.edu>
Sendijarevic, Ibrahim (USA, Tuzla) <ab...@engin.umich.edu>
Mustafa Nurkic (USA, Orasje)
Izudin Nurkic (USA, Orasje)
Ajun, Senka (USA, Modrica)
Ajun, Abdulah (USA, Modrica)
Keric, Osman (USA, Prijedor) <oke...@prairie.nodek.edu>
Keric, Jasminka (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Munevera (USA, Prijedor)
Velic, Arnel (USA, Prijedor)
Nasic, Esma (USA, Prijedor)
Dedic, Ernad (USA, Prijedor)
Rustempasic, Svan (USA, Sarajevo) <rap...@eskimo.com>

Mahir Sokolija (Australija, Sarajevo) <bos...@dial.eunet.ch>
Dr. Reuf Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Sadeta Dolan (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Semsa Tafro (Switzerland, Foca)
Osman Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Jasmina Frzina (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Edo Sabanagic (France, Velika Kladusa)
Muhamed Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Kemo Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Fadila Sokolija (Italy, Sarajevo)
Naser Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Dinka Custovic (Australia, Tuzla)
Namik Omersaphic (Australia,
Almedin Salcin (Australia, Sarajevo)
Amela Salcin (Australia, Tuzla)
Sejdefa Sokolija (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mujo Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Himzo Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Adila Custovic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Aida Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Hanifa Tulic (Austria, Zvornik)
Teufik Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Fatima Sokolija (Germany, Sarajevo)
Ibrahim Halilovic (Germany, Varcar Vakuf)
Hajra Halilovic (Njemacka, Varcar Vakuf)
Samira Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Lejla Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Selma Kamilija (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Fatima Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Mersida Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Emina Causevic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Muhamed Sarajlic (Switzerland, Cajnice)
Nagib Ibrulj (Switzerland, Mostar)
Nagib Lidija (Switzerland, Mostar)
Safet Bise (Australia, Stolac)
Association of citizens of Foca B-H (Now in the Switzerland,
President Dr. Reuf Tafro)
Radovan Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Rajna Dedic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Nedeljka Pejcinovic (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Dragica Ohranovic (Australia, Zvornik)
Muhamed Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Hanka Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Enisa Curevac (Switzerland, Sarajevo)
Samir Basic (Australia, Sarajevo)
Mevludin Ekmecic (France, Tuzla)
Dr. Sirbegovic Sedat (USA, Banja Luka) <es...@aol.com>

Bajraktarevic Kemaludin (Hungary, Brcko)
Bajraktarevic Enida (Hungary, Brcko)
Bajraktarevic Mirza (Hungary, Brcko) <PBD-...@BIONIC.zer.de>
Keserovic Fadil (Hungary, Brcko)
Keserovic Hasreta (Hungary, Brcko)
Keserovic Edinn (Hunagry, Brcko)
Snagic Asim (Hungary, Brcko)
Musanovic Rasema (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Vahid (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Zlatko (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovic Angijada (Germany, Brcko)
Musanovi Emir (Austria, Brcko)
Musanovic Subha (Austria, Brcko)
Bulic Emir (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Bulic Semka (Gremany, Bosanska Dubica)
Bulic Sefika (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic Sulejman (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic Ernest (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Hasic jasmin (Germany, Bosanska Dubica)
Keserovic Hasan (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Ramiza (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Angijad (Germany, Brcko)
Keserovic Arso (Germany, Brcko)
Bajric Sejad (Australia) <sba...@ozemail.com.au>
Supuk Abid (Australia, Sanski Most)
Pasic Refik (Australia, Mostar)
Pasic Abaz (Australia, Trebinje)
Pasic Hajrudin (Australia Trebinje)
Dr. Nedim Jaganjac (USA, Sarajevo) <njag...@hsph.harvard.edu>
Dr. Nihad Daidzic (USA) <daid...@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
Fethulah Smailbegovic (Germany, Zv) <feth...@athene.informatik.uni-bonn.de>
Beganovic Timur (Sarajevo)
Karabegovic Adnan (Sarajevo)
Hasicic Ajdin (Bos. Samac)
Ajanovic Kenan (Tesanj)
Talic Armin (Sarajevo)
Dr. Dzevat Omeragic (Canada) <dze...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA>
Dr. Muhidin Lelic (USA, Tuzla) <mle...@empros.com>
Zenska grupa Tresnjevka - Women's Group Tresnjevka (Hrvatska)
<zens...@alf.tel.hr>
Mentor Cana (USA, Struga) <ca...@b12409.eecs.stevens-tech.edu>
Sendijarevic Sefika (USA, Modrica)
Midhat Tihic (Slovenia, Vlasenica) <midhat...@uni-mb.si>
Stjepan Balog (USA)
Haris Tanovic (USA, Mostar) 0020...@bigred.unl.edu
Demir Cehajic <We lost your email addres. Please send it again.>
Zehra Cehajic
Sutkovic Sabina (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Zijada (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Ajsa (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Sutkovic Fahra (USA, Donji Vakuf)
Rusmira Tourneux (France) <jtou...@planete.net>
Mr. Semir Kazazic (USA, Mostar) <se...@io.org>
Armin Karabegovic (USA, Prijedor) <c65...@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>

* Ajsa Fazlic (Croatia, Tuzla) <hui...@zamir-zg.ztn.apc.org>
* Anto Mijic (Croatia, Orasje)
* Branka Zagar (Croatia, Brcko)
* Mirsad Malkovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
* Nermin Tagic (Croatia, Banovici)
* Salem Halilovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
* Renato Ivelj (Croatia, Zenica)
* Janja Nedic (Croatia, Orasje)
* Zvjezdana Balazic (Croatia, Osijek)
* Fatima Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
* Senka Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
* Vlado Baban (Osijek)
* Slavko Baban (Osijek)
* Zdenko Galusic (Croatia, Tuzla)
* Vesna Hajrulahovic (Croatia, Orasje)
* Tomislav Matovic (Croatia, Sarajevo)
* Ivan Guberovic (Croatia, Bosanski Brod)
* Ivan Kelava (Croatia, Orasje)
* Dubravko Dzoic (Croatia, Orasje)
* Zeljko Marosevic (Croatia, Orasje)
* Zdenko Ivkic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
* Zeljko Stazic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
* Ruzica Masic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)
* Ana Grgic (Croatia, Teslic)
* Kata Arambasic (Croatia, Odzak)
* Miralem Imamovic (Austrija, Tuzla)
* Vladimir Stojanovic (Austrija Tuzla)
* Snjezana Katinic (Croatia, Bosanski Brod)
* Ivica Kljajic (Croatia, Derventa)
* Davor Bozic (Croatia, ASarajevo)

* Jasminko Beso (USA, Mostar) <JB...@aol.com> tel: (619) 568 0672
* Alajbegovic Esad (USA, Mostar)
* Alajbegovic Marija (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Ibrahim (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Rahima (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Nedjad (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Jasmina (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Sanja (USA, Mostar)
* Ceranic Djevad (USA, Mostar)
* Tipura Omer (USA, Mostar)
* Tipura Seha (USA, Mostar)
* Jerkic Mario (USA, Mostar)
* Jerkic Refika (USA, Mostar)
* Tipura Muhamed (USA, Mostar)
* Terzic Salko (USA, Mostar)
* Terzic Hatidja (USA, Mostar)
* Terzic Miro (USA, Mostar)
* Terzic Mirela (USA, Mostar)
* Halilhodjic Djevad (USA, Mostar)
* Halilhodjic Nevenka (USA, Mostar)
* Halilhodjic Merita (USA, Mostar)
* Zazula Amra (USA, Mostar)
* Zazula Srdjan (USA, Mostar)
* Pravdic Sanja (USA, Mostar)
* Pravdic Vlado (USA, Mostar)
* Badjak Alija (USA, Mostar)
* Badjak Alija (USA, Mostar)
* Badjak Semsa (USA, Mostar)
* Badjak Armin (USA, Mostar)
* Badjak Alen (USA, Mostar)
* Beso Snjezana (USA, Mostar)
* Beso Halil (USA, Mostar)
* Beso Zejna (USA, Mostar)
* Vikic Jasna (USA, Mostar)
* Vikic Rudolf (USA, Mostar)
* Mijan Minja (USA, Mostar)
* Mijan Rino (USA, Mostar)
* Ajanovic Enisa (USA, Mostar)
* Ajanovic Emir (USA, Mostar)
* Ajanovic Tarik (USA, Mostar)
* Numankadic Djemal (USA, Mostar)
* Numankadic Jelisaveta (USA, Mostar)
* Hadjiosmanovic Denan (USA, Mostar)
* Hadjiosmanovic Nadjida (USA, Mostar)
* Djukic Nazif (USA, Mostar)
* Djukic Majda (USA, Mostar)
* Djukic Eldina (USA, Mostar)
* Djukic Eldin (USA, Mostar)
* Sunjic Jadranka (USA, Mostar)
* Heric Omer (USA, Mostar)
* Heric Samija (USA, Mostar)
* Heric Amer (USA, Mostar)
* Sator Hamo (USA, Mostar)
* Sator Azra (USA, Mostar)
* Rahimic Hatidja (USA, Mostar)
* Rahimic Emila (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Sabahudin (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Fatima (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Djenan (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Lamija (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Ejub (USA, Mostar)
* Islamovic Duda (USA, Mostar)
* Dizdarevic Faruk (USA, Mostar)
* Dizdarevic Fadila (USA, Mostar)
* Dizdarevic Mithad (USA, Mostar)
* Dizdarevic Mediha (USA, Mostar)
* Janjic Darko (USA, Mostar)
* Janjic Vesna (USA, Mostar)
* Rizvanbegovic Faruk (USA, Mostar)
* Rizvanbegovic Farida (USA, Mostar)
* Rizvanbegovic Samir (USA, Mostar)
* Begovic Bakir (USA, Mostar)
* Muminovic Makbula (USA, Mostar)
* Cupina Emina (USA, Mostar)
* Cupina Jasmin (USA, Mostar)
* Cupina Jasminka (USA, Mostar)
* Djulic Esad (USA, Mostar)
* Djulic Ramiza (USA, Mostar)
* Jerkovic Nijaz (USA, Mostar)
* Jerkovic Nenad (USA, Mostar)
* Jerkovic Azra (USA, Mostar)
* Velagic Mustafa (USA, Mostar)
* Velagic Alen (USA, Mostar)
* Velagic Esmer (USA, Mostar)
* Velagic Marija (USA, Mostar)
* KAZAZIC / MUSTAFE/ REMZIJA (USA, Mostar)
* KAZAZIC /SALKE/ ADEMA (USA, Mostar)
* KAZAZIC /REMZIJA/ ALMIR (USA, Mostar)
* KAZAZIC /MIRZE/ EDIN (USA, Mostar)
* DJELILOVIC / MEHE / ZIJO (USA, Mostar)
* DJELILOVIC / SUKRIJE / DJENANA (USA, Mostar)
* FRANCIC ZELJKO (USA, Mostar)
* FRANCIC NEVENKA (USA, Mostar)
* DJANKOVIC / ISMETA / HATIDJA (USA, Mostar)
* PITIC / ISMETA / EDIN (USA, Mostar)
* IDRIZ SEMIR (USA, Mostar)
* Migdat Hodzic (USA, Banja Luka) <73541...@CompuServe.COM>
* Ognjen Sokolovic (Canada, Mostar) <og...@triad.org>
* Mirza Balic (USA, Mostar) <afc...@mindspring.com>
* Almin Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka) <almin_m...@notes.frontes.se>
* Ismet Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Behija Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Senad Muratagic (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Marija Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Kata Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Ivana Vuk (Sweden, Banja Luka)
* Matijana Vuk (Sveden, Banja Luka)
* Tarita Tomic (Swedwn, Tuzla)
* Emir Ibarahimpasic (USA, Modrica) <ie...@piper.hamline.edu>
* Ibrahim Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
* Refija Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
* Emira Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
* Alija Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)

* denotes new names on the list.

Friends of Bosnia-Herzegovina from other countries also want to support
the action.

Mr. Atif Shaukat Iqbal (Lahor Cantt, Pakistan) <co...@asiqbal.brain.com.pk>
Syed Zahidi (Boston, USA) <sza...@lynxs.dac.neu.edu>
Arif Rafiq (New York, USA) <bil...@ix.nnetcom.com>
Hayrani Oz (Ohio, USA) <oz...@osu.edu>
Noureddine Hezit (Vancouver, Canada) <he...@max.net.com>
Amerha Rafiq (New York, USA)
Nasiha Rafiq (New York, USA)
Ahmed Rafiq (New York, USA)
Samira Rafiq (New York, USA)
Razija Rafiq (New York, USA)
Ayub Malakana (New York, USA)
Asma Malakana (New York, USA)
Aktha Malakana (New York, USA)
Reza Dilugani (New York, USA)
Peter Baeumle (Germany) <p.ba...@oln.comlink.apc.org>
Dr. Jafar Mana (Boston, USA) <jaf...@aol.com>
Sohel Q. Khan (USA) <sk...@tisl.ukans.edu>
Moyn Uddin (London, England) <Moyn_...@panews.press.net>
Kirk Haselton (Germany) <hase...@rz.uni-podsdam.de>
Rebeca Currie (USA) <RAn...@aol.com>
Leon Charles Biser (USA) <petr...@usa.pipeline.com>
Jay Taylor (USA) <tayl...@fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov>
Peter Zrinski (Olofstron, Sweden) <pvov....@memo.volvo.se
Dr. Boris Voh (USA) <Bor...@aol.com>
Suzanne Nashem Voh (USA) <Bor...@aol.com>
Paul Mengujoh (Detroit, USA)
Christopher J. Bolton (USA) <chr...@moe.coe.uga.edu
Naseer Akhtar (Pakistan) <nas...@akhtar.isb.erum.com.pk>
Dr. Mayanovic, Robert Aziz (USA) <ram...@cnas.smsu.edu>
Hams El-Gabri (USA) <8202...@umbsky.cc.umb.edu>
Vagn Rasmusen (denmark) <vagn...@cybernet.dk>

* Association of Pakistani-Muslim students at Monkato State University;
74 members; for Association: Mashood Yunus <na...@krypton.monkato.msus.edu>
* Umit Ocak (USA) <Uxo...@cougarnet.byu.edu>
* Mohammad Nasrullah (London, UK) <M.NAS...@ic.ac.uk>
* Irfan Mirza <w...@adam.2001net.com>
* Dr. John Buonchristiani (Boston, USA)
* Ajaz M. Siraj <si...@Intellistor.COM>
* Roslan Abdullah (Boston, USA)
* Nuruhuda Abdulaziz (Boston, USA)
* AbdAllah Othman <oth...@scf.usc.edu>
* Jan-Luc Tournex (France) <jtou...@planete.net>
* Mario Curac (USA,Croatia) <mac...@ucdavis.edu>
* Tamara Curac (USA, Croatia)
* Ivica Curac (USA, Croatia)
* Nick Curac (USA, Croatia)
* Susan Rabak (USA, Croatia)
* Marion Rabak (USA, Croatia)
* Shaikh Abdul Jabar (Dubai) <ASH...@SCBUAE.MHS.CompuServe.COM>

All of you who would like to support the right of the Bosnian refugees to
return to their homes, please join the petition by sending an e-mail reply.

Peticija na Bosanskom

Mi, gradjani Bosne i Hercegovine, silom protjerani iz svoje jedine
domovine u SAD (regija grada Bostona), svjesni znacaja istorijskog
trenutka po nas narod, najodgovornijim predstavnicima legalnih organa
vlasti B i H upucujemo slijedecu,

JAVNU PETICIJU

U povodu objavljenih izbornih pravila i propisa Privremene izborne
komisije OSCE (Organizacija za sigurnost i saradnji u Evropi) za
odrzavanje izbora za organe vlasti, najprije u Mostaru, a potom i cijeloj
B i H, najizricitije zahtijevamo da se od bije ucesce na izborima dok se
ne obezbijedi povratak svih nas, zivih zrtava genocida i etnickog
ciscenja, svojim kucama. U svakoj drugoj varijanti, izlazak na izbore
kakve nam nudi komisija OSCE-a i njen sef, izvjesni Amerikanac Robert
Frowick, znaci i pristajanje na definitivno unistenje Bosne i Hercegovine
kao drzave.
Obzirom na ranija iskustva kada su u pitanju pritisci na legalne
organe vlasti B i H, sa jedne strane, te njihova zaprepastujuca
popustanja, sa druge strane, daju nam razloga da i ovom prilikom budemo
zabrinuti.
Ne!, gospodo iz najvisih organa vlasti B i H, niti vi niti bilo
koja politicka stranka ne smije pristati na takve izbore. Niko vam nije
dao mandat da popustate pod bilo cijim ili pod bilo kakvim pritiskom,
odnosno da prihvatate kapitulaciju jedine nam domovine!
Mi smo dozivjeli stravican genocid od strane nasih dusmana i rane
zbog zlocina izvrsenih nad nama jos su svjeze i nece nikada zarasti. Te
rane i jos vise pijetet prema nasim mucki ubijenim sunarodnjacima nalazu
nam da od vas zahtijevamo da ne prihv atite izbore u Mostaru i drugim
dijelovima B i H bez naseg NEPOSREDNOG ucesca na njima.

Ne ubijajte nas vi ponovo.

U 127 zemalja svijeta zivi svjedoci genocida prezivljavaju nocne
more sa slikama najmracnijih scena fasizma. Vasim pristankom na izbore bez
prava glasa i povratka prognanih na svoja ognjista, vasa lica ce se
pridruziti licima dzelata u nasim nocnim morama. Ne budite saucesnici
ubicama sopstvene zemlje i naroda.
Ako se vi iz Vlade i Predsjednistva, te eventualno neke od stranaka
oglusite na nas vapaj nadamo se da to nece uciniti nasa braca i sestre u
zemlji i inostranstvu i sve patriote kojima je do jedinstvene B i H.
Bojkotom ove farse od izbora pokazacem o konstruktorima nemoralnog
Daytonskog sporazuma i onima koji ga svaki dan sve vise prilagodjavaju
neprijateljima nase zemlje i naseg naroda, da smo dostojanstven narod i da
smo svjesni prevare.

NEKA NAM ZIVI JEDINSTVENA I NEDJELJIVA BOSNA I HERCEGOVINA

Boston, 19. 05. 1996

Dragi zemljaci,

svako novo ime na peticiji nam je znacajno. Ako nas je vise odlucnih da
protestujemo protiv nepravde, vece su sanse da se nepravda pocne
ispravljati. Upisite svoje ime saljuci email poruku ili nazivajuci:
Kemu na (617) 884-1965, Bedru na (617) 884-8150, Avdu na (617)
789-4662 ili Muhameda na (617) 783-8796.


Bosnian Congress USA

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PETITION

LONG LIVE UNDIVIDED BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA.

Boston, May 19, 1996

Ajsa Fazlic (Croatia, Tuzla) <hui...@zamir-zg.ztn.apc.org>
Anto Mijic (Croatia, Orasje)
Branka Zagar (Croatia, Brcko)
Mirsad Malkovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
Nermin Tagic (Croatia, Banovici)
Salem Halilovic (Croatia, Kladanj)
Renato Ivelj (Croatia, Zenica)
Janja Nedic (Croatia, Orasje)
Zvjezdana Balazic (Croatia, Osijek)
Fatima Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
Senka Baban (Croatia, Banovici)
Vlado Baban (Osijek)
Slavko Baban (Osijek)
Zdenko Galusic (Croatia, Tuzla)
Vesna Hajrulahovic (Croatia, Orasje)
Tomislav Matovic (Croatia, Sarajevo)


Ivan Guberovic (Croatia, Bosanski Brod)

Ivan Kelava (Croatia, Orasje)
Dubravko Dzoic (Croatia, Orasje)
Zeljko Marosevic (Croatia, Orasje)


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Zeljko Stazic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)

Ruzica Masic (Croatia, Bosanski Samac)

Ana Grgic (Croatia, Teslic)
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Miralem Imamovic (Austrija, Tuzla)
Vladimir Stojanovic (Austrija Tuzla)


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Alajbegovic Esad (USA, Mostar)
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Ibrahim Ibrahimpasic (USA, Modrica)
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Stjepan Balog
30814 Scrivo
Warren, MI 48092
Tel. (810) 751-6890


The President, Mr. Bill Clinton
The White House
Washington, DC

June 24, 1996

Dear Mr. President:


"JUST SAY NO TO THE BOSNIAN ELECTIONS"


With the Bosnian elections fast approaching, I would like to appeal to you
(one more time) to cancel them. The tragedy that you helped to compound
in Bosnia will become reaffirmed and irrevocable with the conduct of those
elections. All the well informe d people (from both the U.S. and of
Bosnia) know that Dayton agreement was nothing but a stalling tactic on
your part until after the November elections (your elections) are over.
You had no concern for the future of Bosnians or for the punishment of tho
se guilty. You never cared that the little that is left of Bosnia will be
no different and fare no better than an American Indian reservation. The
part of Bosnia that is left to the Bosnian government is neither
defensible nor economically viable. The fact that most of Bosnians will
not be able to return to their homes or that Bosnia will forever stay
surrounded by hostile forces doesn't seem to concern you very much.

What you have in fact done in Dayton is no different than if in 1943
someone "forced" the Germans to keep "only" half of France, half of
Russia, and so on. Since you are one of those responsible for the fact
that the Bosnians never had real opportunity t o defend themselves and to
liberate all of their lands, you should have had the decency to at least
make sure that Bosnians have a chance at a better future. Thanks to your
Dayton agreement, the future for Bosnians is not much brighter than that
of the Kurds or the Chechen's.

It is true that the Bosnian (Muslims) people lacked the proper leadership,
but that shouldn't have been the reason to punish all of them. You abused
the trust and the faith that the Bosnian people had in America and in
America's sense of right and fair p lay. Just as you made many promises
that you never intended to keep during the 1992 campaign, you are doing it
again. To take advantage of people who have lost everything and to use
them for your own political games is very insensitive and very heartles s.

As unfair and as pro-Serbian the Dayton agreement is, it at least should
be completely implemented first before the people of Bosnia are forced to
approve it. But as a matter of fact, since the Serbs didn't honor most of
their "Dayton" commitments (they NEVER do), the Dayton agreement should be
nullified, and the Bosnian government should be allowed to liberate the
rest of Bosnia, or at least create a state that will have some future.
The fact that you Mr. Clinton didn't do anything to stop the war in B
osnia until the Serbs started loosing territory only proves that your
intentions in Bosnia were not honorable.

DO THE ONLY DECENT, PROPER AND FAIR THING; CANCEL THE ELECTIONS IN BOSNIA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Stjepan Balog
President, The Bosnian Relief Committee
Member of the Committee of Bosnian Refugees

cc: CSCE
"INTERNET"

Bosnian Congress USA

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In teh following letter Mr. Stjepan Balog reminds us of some B. B. Ghaly
"mistakes" against Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Stjepan Balog
30814 Scrivo
Warren, MI 48092
Tel. (810) 751-6890

Mr. A.M. Rosenthal
New York Times Service
229 W. 43rd Street
New York, N.Y. 10036


Mr. Rosenthal:
June 24, 1996

Regarding your "Save Boutros-Ghali" column:

Your tirade about the need to save Boutros-Ghali is just the continuation
of your pro Serbia and anti Bosnian and anti Croatian sentiment. But just
as you lied about Bosnia and Croatia, and just as you blamed Germany for
the war while you always tried to justify the genocide committed by the
Serbs as their God given right, now you are clamoring to save the job of
one of the people responsible for the Balkan tragedy. Boutros-Ghalis's
crime wasn't in not allowing "military rescue of the Bosnian Muslims" ( as
you state), it was his denial of their right to self defense. Boutros
-Ghali broke the U.N. rules about the right of every member state to
defend itself. He allowed the "ethnic cleansing" to continue, while at
the same time he allowed the Serbs to ma nipulate the U.N., including
"confiscating" the humanitarian help destined for the Bosnians. Thousands
of Bosnians suffered because Boutros Ghalis sympathies were on the same
side as yours, with the Serbs. Why don't you research his background a
little more? You would find out that Boutros Ghali is an Egyptian
Christian whose hate of Muslims has been his driving force throughout his
life. In his young days, Boutros Ghali was a part of Nasser's team of the
new Socialists whose goal was the creation of the "Ne utral" nations
organization. In addition to India, Yugoslavia and the then Yugoslav
president Tito were the main promoters of that organization. The
dismembering of Yugoslavia, a "model" Socialist country in the eyes of
Boutros Ghali, was an unforgivabl e sin. Although you hate the Croats and
the Bosnian Muslims for different reasons, the end result was the same:
"let the Serbs get away with as much as they can." By adding his hate of
the Muslims to that, it is no wonder that Bosnian Muslims suffered a s
much as they have. I do agree with your criticism of Clinton and his
administration, But Clinton's sins are far greater than just vetoing the
reelection of Boutros Ghali. If anything, that is probably the only
decent thing he (Clinton) has done since becoming the President.

If the U.N. is to survive, it will not be by allowing a useless bureaucrat
to pick and chose which country and state it is going to save but by
someone who will not "play favorites" and who will have enough
testosterone to do the right thing. It will als o have to be someone who
will run the U.N as a tool for bring peace and improve the standard of
living in the world instead of staying a worthless shelter for even more
worthless (and overpaid) pen-pushers.

Stjepan Balog
Warren, Michigan

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From az...@sunspot.tiac.netSun Jun 30 16:05:44 1996
Date: Sat, 29 JUN 1996 10:48:47 -0400
From: Bosnian Congress USA <az...@sunspot.tiac.net>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: B. B. Ghali - The Enemy of Muslims

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, ashor wrote:

>
> And now you guys accuse B. B. Ghali of being the enemy because he is a
> christian. What
> else do you people want, there is a public opinion against the
> Serb (like you guys
> didn't carry on massacares and ethnic cleansing of your own), so what
> you suggest is to .....

First, Stjepan Balog, the author of the article, is a Christian. Hence,
he does not blame Bu. Bu. Ghali for being a Christian. He mentioned that
B. B. Ghali is an (Ortodox) Christian as a fact from his biography. Mr.
Balog blames B. B. Ghali for his hate against the others. Mr. Balog listed
many "mistakes" against Bosnia as a proof of his hatred. He is not
suitable to be a Secretary General because he does not act as a lawyer. He
is always sided with his Orthodox Christians. As a lawyer and Generaly
Secretary he is supposed to be sided with wictims against the perpertrators.

Muhamed

Peter Granic

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960630...@sunspot.tiac.net>,
Bosnian Congress USA <az...@sunspot.tiac.net> wrote:

I always thought Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a Coptic Christian, and not
an Orthodox Christian.

Cheers,
Peter

>On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, ashor wrote:
>> And now you guys accuse B. B. Ghali of being the enemy because he is a
>> christian. What
>> else do you people want, there is a public opinion against the
>> Serb (like you guys
>> didn't carry on massacares and ethnic cleansing of your own), so what
>> you suggest is to .....
>
>First, Stjepan Balog, the author of the article, is a Christian. Hence,
>he does not blame Bu. Bu. Ghali for being a Christian. He mentioned that
>B. B. Ghali is an (Ortodox) Christian as a fact from his biography. Mr.
>Balog blames B. B. Ghali for his hate against the others. Mr. Balog listed
>many "mistakes" against Bosnia as a proof of his hatred. He is not
>suitable to be a Secretary General because he does not act as a lawyer. He
>is always sided with his Orthodox Christians. As a lawyer and Generaly
>Secretary he is supposed to be sided with wictims against the perpertrators.
>
>Muhamed

--
Peter's Placebo: An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance

Golani Golani

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Peter Granic wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960630...@sunspot.tiac.net>,
> Bosnian Congress USA <az...@sunspot.tiac.net> wrote:
>
> I always thought Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a Coptic Christian, and not
> an Orthodox Christian.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>

His wife is a Zionist Jew (according to my sources), he is the Godfather
of Egyptian/"Israeli treaty of Camp David. The Arab patriot Christians
are aware of him. He is not one of them. His rule is finished now his
masters want him out.

Golani

Mazen Mokhtar

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Peter Granic wrote:
> I always thought Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a Coptic Christian, and not
> an Orthodox Christian.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter

The coptic church is the Egyptian orthodox church. It is analoguous
to the Greek and Russian orthodox churches.


Mazen Mokhtar

Peter Granic

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That's interesting. I was always sure it was a different strain. There
are Coptic Christians in many other countries of Africa, Europe, and
Asia minor.

I believe Armenia, for example, has catholic, orthodox, and coptic
Christians.

Cheers,
Peter

Bosnian Congress USA

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On 2 Jul 1996, Peter Granic wrote:

> In article <31D980...@unx.dec.com>, Mazen Mokhtar <m...@unx.dec.com> wrote:
> >
> > The coptic church is the Egyptian orthodox church. It is analoguous
> >to the Greek and Russian orthodox churches.
> >
> >Mazen Mokhtar
>
> That's interesting. I was always sure it was a different strain. There
> are Coptic Christians in many other countries of Africa, Europe, and
> Asia minor.
>
> I believe Armenia, for example, has catholic, orthodox, and coptic
> Christians.

Orthodox church is organized differently than Catholic church. There is
nothing like orthodox Pope or Orthodox Vatican. Orthodox churches are
ethnic churches. There are Russian Orthodox church, Greek Orthodox church,
Serbian orthodox church etc. That is why Serbs have Serbian saints and
Serbian truth. The principle: one people - one church - one country
developed enormous colective selfdetermination and schouvinizm. For example,
Serbs think that Jesus Christ was a Serb.

The Orthodox principle: One church - one people - one country caused
Serbian genocides against the Serbian neighbours through entire history.

Muhamed


The Hab

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Bosnian Congress USA <az...@sunspot.tiac.net> wrote:
>
>


GET THE HELL OFF THE EGYPTIAN NEWSGROUPS YOU BIGOTTED LITTLE SHIT!


The Hab


Bosnian Congress USA

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On 3 Jul 1996, The Hab wrote:

> GET THE HELL OFF THE EGYPTIAN NEWSGROUPS YOU BIGOTTED LITTLE SHIT!
>
>
> The Hab

The Egyptian groups are the right place for the discussion about Mr.
BUU. BU. Ghali. Ghali is comming from the Egypt and Egyptian Bresident
proposed him for the next mandate as a Secretary General. We Bosnians,
the victims of his hatred and his pro Serb policy want to inform all
Egyptians and all Muslims who he is. I repeat, we are not against him
because he is the Copt. We are against him because he was not honest as
Secretary General, he was sided with the perpetrators, the Serbs, against
the victims, the Bosnians.

Yur swearing without any argument proves that we are right.

Ghali must not be reelected. His rteelection would be the death of the UN.

Muhamed

Y Rapido

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Bosnian Congress USA wrote:

> Orthodox church is organized differently than Catholic church. There is
> nothing like orthodox Pope or Orthodox Vatican. Orthodox churches are
> ethnic churches. There are Russian Orthodox church, Greek Orthodox church,
> Serbian orthodox church etc. That is why Serbs have Serbian saints and
> Serbian truth. The principle: one people - one church - one country
> developed enormous colective selfdetermination and schouvinizm. For example,
> Serbs think that Jesus Christ was a Serb.
>
> The Orthodox principle: One church - one people - one country caused
> Serbian genocides against the Serbian neighbours through entire history.
>

> Muhamed

rap: Without going into extensive (never ending?) discussions about the
true nature of ANY Christian Church, one can easily agree with Muhamed
that Orthodox Church is an ETHNIC (TRIBAL!) church. That's what the
attribute Autocephalous means. Orthodoxy was created by the Byzantine
Empire, which basically rejected the Roman Churh and its desire to be
UNIVERSAL (Latin: Catholic). One wanders how much truly Catholic
Church is universal with its own support for "ethnically clean"
territories in Croatia, Bosnia-Heerzegovina etc. But, anyway, in
theory Catholic Church is supposed to be "better" that the Orthodox
in that aspcet of civilizational outreach and such. We are still waiting
for the proof, though ...

Serbian Orthodox Church is actually a tribal cult of St. Sava, the Serb
protector saint. The Serbian mix of tribal ideology, mysticism, paganism,
and such, with what is supposed (!) to be Christianity, is overwhelmingly
slanted towards paganism. Also, "Serb protector saint Boutros Ghali",
for example, is also actually a PAGAN. After all, that is the "official
religion" of the United Nations -- PAGANISM ("Mother Earth", cult of "Gaya",
the goddess mother Earth, etc. etc.). It is tied to freemasonic cabalism
and subversive British and Anglo-Zionist intervention into Christianity
against the brighter side of Christianity.

Have you celebrated your "Earth day" this year ?

ashor

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OK, so lets elect Elia Izbetgovic or whatever is his name, will that make you happy?
I am sure it will! because you people would love to control everything.

Go Botros Go! you got my vote.

Bosnian Congress USA

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On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, ashor wrote:

> Bosnian Congress USA wrote:

> > The Egyptian groups are the right place for the discussion about Mr.

> > BUU. BU. Ghali. Ghali is comming from the Egypt and Egyptian President


> > proposed him for the next mandate as a Secretary General. We Bosnians,
> > the victims of his hatred and his pro Serb policy want to inform all
> > Egyptians and all Muslims who he is. I repeat, we are not against him
> > because he is the Copt. We are against him because he was not honest as
> > Secretary General, he was sided with the perpetrators, the Serbs, against
> > the victims, the Bosnians.
> >

> > Ghali must not be reelected. His rteelection would be the death of the UN.
> >
> > Muhamed
>
> OK, so lets elect Elia Izbetgovic or whatever is his name, will that make you happy?
> I am sure it will! because you people would love to control everything.
>
> Go Botros Go! you got my vote.

You don't undertand anything. We are against Bu. Bu. Ghali because he is a
very bad lawyer. As a lawyer he must not be sided with perpetrators. His
decisions must not be affected by any other reasons but international
law. Instead, he was sided with Serbs, the agresors. What do you think why?

We are against Alija Izetbegovic. He is a traitor of Bosnia. He signed
everything his masters ask. I wouldn't be suprised if he supports Ghali.
He is the same kind of leader as the Egyptian president.

Muhamed.

Barry S. Marjanovich

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On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Bosnian Congress USA wrote:

> Ghali must not be reelected. His re-election would be the death of the
> UN.
>
> Muhamed

Muhamed,

You are so right! B. B. Ghali is a shameless, greedy little man who has no
morals and no vision of what the world should stand for.

Barry
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The Mark Of Bosnia
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Foreign Affairs, May/June 1996:

The Mark of Bosnia
-------------------
Boutros-Ghali's Reign of Indifference

by FOUAD AJAMI/Majid Khadduri Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the
Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The John Hopkins
University.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I wondered if the train I was on was that of the United Nations or the
League of Nations," said Tadeusz Mazowiecki, a former prime minister of
Poland, when he resigned in protest in 1995 from his assignment as the
U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the former Yugoslavia. "I want
to make the leaders of the United Nations think," declared the decent man
who walked away from the spin and the complacency and evasions of the
United Nations' Bosnia policy. Boutros Boutros-Ghali's essay proves that
the world body and its leader have yet to face up to what they have
wrought in Bosnia ("Global Leadership After the Cold War," March/April
1996).

Readers of Boutros-Ghali's piece will, of course, have understood its
purpose. It is the clearest statement yet of his bid for a second term as
secretary-general, the rationale for his quiet but relentless campaign,
which has been in the works for some time. (The secretary-general, born in
1922, had said that because of his age, one term would suffice, but that
was the promise of his first term.) As a campaign statement, his piece is
remarkably trasparent, even embarrassingly honest. Begone the restraints
of the faceless international civil service, and begone those acronyms of
international organizations. The pronoun "I" appears 24 times in the
essay. All is well in the realm. The books have been balanced, the
organization "streamlined" and "rationalized." The international
conferences held during his tenure have been "new and different"; they
have been "cumulative"; they have been "linked." U.N. peacekeeping has
been exemplary. Boutros-Ghali has endured slings and arrows and has at
times suffered as the scapegoat for the failures of member states, but he
has labored on for the causes of an international civil service and an
independent secretary-general.

One will look in vain for a single reference to Bosnia. (There is a
passing reference to war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda.)
Bosnia was never permitted to break into last year's celebration of the
50th anniversary of the United Nations and all the self-congratulations
that went with it. And Bosnia is not to break into Boutros Boutros-Ghali's
narrative of his years at the world organization's helm.

AN INCONVENIENT TRAGEDY

The truth of the United Nations' role in Bosnia cannot be wished away.
Bosnia clings to this secretary-general. Read between the lines in his
piece, and Bosnia rises like an apparition: "Lives lost in one place seem
to matter more than lives lost in another. War in one country may get
enormous attention, while war elswhere may be virtually ignored.
Violations of the rights of one people arouse far more concern than
violations of the rights of another." All along, the Bosnians and their
cause were a great irritation to this secretary-general. The Bosnians
refused to do him the favor of a quiet surrender. Grant Boutros-Ghali the
virtue of consistency: from the time he dismissed Bosnia as a "rich
people's war," compared with the "orphan conflicts" he cares so much
about, he showed the Bosnians a steady measure of indifference. They stood
in the way of his stewardship of the world body, of the new, exalted
language he begun to peddle about a world outgrowing the nation-state and
the rules of the Westphalian system.

The secretary-general uttered more revealing words in his memorable visit
to Sarajevo on December 31, 1992. This time no handlers or blue books were
present to extol the virtues of his leadership, to sanitize his words and
sentiments. "You have a situation which is better than ten other places
all over the world. I can give you a list of ten places where you have
more problems than in Sarajevo," the secretary-general told the people of
the besieged city. The wrath and the outrage with which he was greeted on
the streets of Sarajevo ought to have shaken his complacency. But while
the horrors of Srebrenica continued unabated, the secretary-general
pressed on with a scheduled visit to Africa. Astonishing the reporters
with him who thought the ordeal of that U.N. "safe haven" was a more
pressing concern, he said Srebrenica was but a "village in Europe." The
secretary-general has a broader mandate; other causes and other burning
grounds lay claim to his attention, particularly the orphan conflicts that
are his special domain. The Africa tour was a campaign swing, the misery
of Africa held up as a counter to the Balkans' horrors.

The moral indifference and callousness of the secretary-general was
contagious. He passed it down the line to his representatives on the
scene, to the commanders of his peacekeeping forces. That complacency was
the signature of Yasushi Akashi, his special representative to the former
Yugoslavia until October 1995, who baffled even the most jaded observers
with his reluctance to give name to the horrors around him, to draw
distinctions between the aggressors and their victims. And this same
obtuseness shaped the discourse of U.N. commanders Major General Lewis W.
Mackenzie adn Lieutenant General Sir Michael Rose. These two men, in
particular, did all they could to foster the view that the Bosnian
cinflict was an ethnic brawl among three equally dreaded parties. For
MacKenzie, the Serbs, the Croats and the Bosnians were "three serial
killers," distinguished only by the number of murders each had committed.
For Rose, the Bosnian Muslims were tricksters who shelled their own
people, cowards trying to get the United Nations to fight their fight.
These men and their legacies are part of what the secretary-general did
and sanctioned in Bosnia.

WITHOUT A COMPASS

Bourtos-Ghali's and the United Nations' record in Bosnia was given a
devastating assessment by David Rieff in The New Republic (February 12,
1996). There, with great clarity, is an autopsy of what was done and what
was dodged in Bosnia. Boutros-Ghali provided cover for the great powers
and their abdication of responsibility. He railed against them- the
French, the British, the Americans - when he felt that they had been
unfair to him, that he had been left twisting in the wind, that he had
been provided with insufficient muscle to fulfill his mandate. Everyone
knows that the United Nations commands no military divisions. But in
Bosnia this secretary-general forfeited the organization's principle
asset: its moral standing to speak out on the great issues of the day.
Boutros-Ghali never could find his compass in Bosnia, and his failure went
hand in hand with pretensions about the dawn of a new age for the United
Nations. Leadership in the aftermath of the Cold War indeed.

The secretary-general's words take one's breath away: "I am like a doctor.
I diagnose the patient and make certain recommendations for his cure. But
if he does not follow my advice, it is hardly my fault." Could we afford
five more years of the same doctor and the same cure?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Damon Lynch

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.96070...@sunspot.tiac.net>,
az...@sunspot.tiac.net says...

>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, ashor wrote:
>
> > Bosnian Congress USA wrote:
>
> > > The Egyptian groups are the right place for the discussion about
Mr.
> > > BUU. BU. Ghali. Ghali is comming from the Egypt and Egyptian
President
> > > proposed him for the next mandate as a Secretary General. We
Bosnians,
> > > the victims of his hatred and his pro Serb policy want to inform
all
> > > Egyptians and all Muslims who he is. I repeat, we are not against
him
> > > because he is the Copt. We are against him because he was not
honest as
> > > Secretary General, he was sided with the perpetrators, the Serbs,
against
> > > the victims, the Bosnians.
> > >
> > > Ghali must not be reelected. His rteelection would be the death of
the UN.
> > >
> > > Muhamed
> >
> > OK, so lets elect Elia Izbetgovic or whatever is his name, will that
make you happy?
> > I am sure it will! because you people would love to control
everything.
> >
> > Go Botros Go! you got my vote.
>
> You don't undertand anything. We are against Bu. Bu. Ghali because he
is a
> very bad lawyer. As a lawyer he must not be sided with perpetrators.
His
> decisions must not be affected by any other reasons but international
> law. Instead, he was sided with Serbs, the agresors. What do you think
why?
>
> We are against Alija Izetbegovic. He is a traitor of Bosnia. He signed
> everything his masters ask. I wouldn't be suprised if he supports
Ghali.
> He is the same kind of leader as the Egyptian president.
>
> Muhamed.

With respect, have you taken into consideration the power of governments
like the United States and France? If any secretary general wanted to do
something that was good and ethical and proper, and it went against the
narrowly defined interests of the global powers, then they would be
removed. And furthermore, they wouldn't get there in the first place. I
personally believe you may well have a legitimate problem with the
secretary general, but did he really have that much choice? I think not.
Perhaps you would be better of campaigning for a democratic security
council, i.e. the removing of the veto and permanent membership.

Damon

Bosnian Congress USA

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On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Damon Lynch wrote:

> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.96070...@sunspot.tiac.net>,
> az...@sunspot.tiac.net says...

> > You don't undertand anything. We are against Bu. Bu. Ghali because he

> is a
> > very bad lawyer. As a lawyer he must not be sided with perpetrators.
> His
> > decisions must not be affected by any other reasons but international
> > law. Instead, he was sided with Serbs, the agresors. What do you think
> why?
> >
> > We are against Alija Izetbegovic. He is a traitor of Bosnia. He signed
> > everything his masters ask. I wouldn't be suprised if he supports
> Ghali.
> > He is the same kind of leader as the Egyptian president.
> >
> > Muhamed.
>
> With respect, have you taken into consideration the power of governments
> like the United States and France? If any secretary general wanted to do
> something that was good and ethical and proper, and it went against the
> narrowly defined interests of the global powers, then they would be
> removed. And furthermore, they wouldn't get there in the first place. I
> personally believe you may well have a legitimate problem with the
> secretary general, but did he really have that much choice? I think not.
> Perhaps you would be better of campaigning for a democratic security
> council, i.e. the removing of the veto and permanent membership.
>
> Damon


If B. B. Ghali was a good Secretary General, than his decisions
wouldn't be affected with the name and the power of the country. What
would you think of judge who reasons on the following
way: if a somebody influential is a murderer, I will not punish him because
I will have his powerfull friends against me. A good judge and a good
Secretary General MUST make all decisions in accordance to rules. If Serbs
violated international law, if they commited agression and genocide, then
they have to be punished. For various reasons, he did not act according
to that logic. He had his favorites among those who are proven war
criminals.

I agree witho you that the U. N. should be reformed in order to have all
countries equal with respect to international law and U. N. ckharter. The
first step is to remove people like Ghali.


Gembong SW

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On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Bosnian Congress USA wrote:

>
> You don't undertand anything. We are against Bu. Bu. Ghali because he is a
> very bad lawyer. As a lawyer he must not be sided with perpetrators. His
> decisions must not be affected by any other reasons but international
> law. Instead, he was sided with Serbs, the agresors. What do you think why?
>
> We are against Alija Izetbegovic. He is a traitor of Bosnia. He signed
> everything his masters ask. I wouldn't be suprised if he supports Ghali.
> He is the same kind of leader as the Egyptian president.
>
> Muhamed.

I don't know much about the record of Bu. Gali during his tenure.
The fact showed that UN's involvement in Bosnia was futile until
the US-led NATO initiated its own peace campaign.
However, USA is campaigning against his reelection for the next term.
He must have hurt US's interest pretty bad other than middle east affairs.

This is just one of numerous examples on how Westerns dominates UN's agenda.
I see Bu. Gali as a puppet as well as a victim. Whomever elected for the next
term might end up as no different than current secretary General is.
Do you know that USA finances,at least, about 20 % of UN activities?
As expected, US has used its membership dues as its bargaining chip
to control UN.

As for Alija Izetbegovich, I think he *does not deserve* a title of a
traitor of Bosnia. Look, how he managed Bosnia to survive several harsh
winters under Western embargo and to endure the pain and hardship of ethnic
cleansing.

Let's focus our energy upon fighting "the Masters" not upon ourselves ...:)

peace,

Gembong SW

Bosnian Congress USA

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Mazen Mokhtar (m...@unx.dec.com) wrote:
: Peter Granic wrote:
: > I always thought Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a Coptic Christian, and not
: > an Orthodox Christian.
: >
: > Cheers,
: > Peter

: The coptic church is the Egyptian orthodox church. It is analoguous


: to the Greek and Russian orthodox churches.

Actually not. The Egyptian Orthodox Church is the Patriarchate of Alexandria.
The Coptic Churches are termed as heretic by the Orthodox ones (i.e. they are
not recognized as Orthodox churches). Coptic and Orthodox Christians differ
on a number of dogmatic issues the most important being the nature of Christ
on earth.

Andreas Prodromou

: Mazen Mokhtar

Juan Rodriguez

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>Perhaps you would be better of campaigning for a democratic security
>council, i.e. the removing of the veto and permanent membership.

I would not think so; you cant change reality by a decree. Nation-states
are not human beings; there is no equality among them, and there is no
way to define "democracy among nations." By removing veto and permanent
membership you would just create a small scale copy of the General As-
sembly; maybe flashier, certainly almost useless. Any organization in
which China has the same weight as (for example) Uruguay, and India the
same weight as (for example) Lesotho can't be very effective.

Juan Antonio Rodriguez-Sero; ja...@halcyon.com
Lake Forest Park, WA 98155-2940, USA
------------------------------------------------------
As a man can drink water from any side of a full tank,
so the skilled theologian can wrest from any scripture
that which will serve his purpose.
Bhagavad Gita

Bosnian Congress USA

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On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Gembong SW wrote:

> As for Alija Izetbegovich, I think he *does not deserve* a title of a
> traitor of Bosnia. Look, how he managed Bosnia to survive several harsh
> winters under Western embargo and to endure the pain and hardship of ethnic
> cleansing.
>
> Let's focus our energy upon fighting "the Masters" not upon ourselves ...:)

The problem is that the masters couldn't do anything without traitors
among us. In the following article it is explained how Izetbegovic
committed the treason. This is an anlysis of a very well informed group
of Bosnian intelectuals. IZETBEGOVIC AND GHALI PLAY FOR THE SAME TEAM.

THE DEATH OF THE NATION - BOSNIA

Dayton agreement (November 1995) is a death of the Republic of
Bosnia-Herzegovina (short form: Bosnia); the agreement is merely the final
document in a series of agreements made and signed by Alija Izetbegovic &
Haris Silajdjic.

Let us remind you of some crucial concepts regarding the international
relations, which affect Bosnian issue very much.

In the beginning of the war "the world" was sided with the Republic of
Bosnia-Herzegovina. Why? Because the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina was a
recognized country, a member of the UN (May 22, 1992), and a victim of
aggression. Hence, Bosnia was under the protection of international law
and the UN Charter. That is why even Russia, Greece, China and some other
Serbian, either orthodox or socialist, friends had to recognize Bosnia and
had to vote for the economic sanctions against Serbia/rump Yugoslavia.
USA, England, Russia, France, and China were not sided with Bosnia because
they like Bosnians more than Serbs, but because Serbia violated the
international law, i.e., because Serbia committed the aggression against
the member of the UN. Besides that, according to the international law,
borders of a sovereign state cannot be changed by force; country cannot be
partitioned by force; it can only be done through negotiations.

When President of the Presidency of the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina,
Alija Izetbegovic, and his Prime minister Haris Silajdjic, accepted the
negotiations with the aggressors in September and December of 1992,
they made a terrible violation of Bosnian Constitution and Bosnian
interests. Namely, the problem could have been solved either through
the implementation of the UN charter and international law or through
negotiations.

The first way was the only appropriate way for Bosnia, because Serbia was
already designated as the aggressor and Bosnia as a victim in resolutions
752 and 757 of the Security Council in 1992. Unfortunately Izetbegovic and
Silajdjic abandoned the international law and accepted the negotiations as
a method for 'solving' the Bosnian issue. This prevented any international
intervention towards protection of Bosnia. The negotiations even prevented
the lifting of the arms embargo. How can the embargo be lifted if the
"peace process" is ongoing? This argument was handed to enemies of Bosnia
as an excellent excuse for their vetoing of lifting of the arms
embargo. We are Bosnians who begged Izetbegovic and Silajdjic not to
negotiate with the perpetrators of the genocide, Serb/Yugoslav Army and
their leaders Milosevic, Karadzic, et al. In many personal contacts and
letters Bosnian patriots explained all the catastrophic consequences of
negotiations as follows:

1. The discussions with the subject "What about Bosnia?" will reopen the
questions that were already solved by recognition of Bosnia as a sovereign
state in the Spring of 1992.

2. If legal Bosnian Government accepts to negotiate with rebels it will
convert the rebels from war criminals to diplomats who represent Bosnian
Serbs instead of loyal Serbian representatives in the Bosnian Government.

(This is the same reason, for example, why the French government does not
accept rebel Basks or Corsicans to negotiate about French constitution.)

3. Acceptance of Karadzic and Milosevic as a negotiators about the new
Bosnian Constitution is an act deprived of any dignity, because they and
their generals committed so many crimes against Bosnians, including mass
killings and rapes.

4. The negotiations between "Bosnian Muslims" and "Bosnian Serbs" will
reformulate the internationally declared aggression, into a "civil and
religious war". As we know UN can not get involved in a civil war on one
side.

This is the second reason why the UN could not intervene on behalf of the
Bosnian side. The first one was the "ongoing peace process"

5. Knowing that the Bosnian borders can not be changed and that aggression
can not be rewarded, Serbian soldiers do not have any motivation to fight
and die in vain. However, negotiations that will give them some part of
Bosnia will only add to their motivation; as such, "peace negotiations"
and territorial carve-up serve only as an added incentive and a 'green
light' for aggression and genocide.

In spite to those advices, Alija Izetbegovic and Haris Silajdjic chose to
negotiate about the destiny of Bosnia-Herzegovina repeating: "If we don't
accept negotiations then we will be guilty." This is not true, because a
victim can't become a guilty party in a conflict, if the victim refuses to
negotiate with the perpetrator of crimes; Bosnians should insist that
international law and UN Charter be applied in protection of the member of
the UN, country recognized by more than 90 governments worldwide,
including the U.S.A. (April 7, 1992).

Izetbegovic knew that Bosnia-Herzegovina was winning this war, because the
decisive factor in war is motivation, not arms. This is why America could
not defeat Vietnam, USSR could not defeat Afghanistan, even the big Russia
is not able to defeat Checnya. The last year (1995) was the year of
Serbian defeats: It started in early spring when Serbs lost in one day
Vlasic (3% of Bosnian territory). In May the Serbs lost in 2 days western
Slavonia (around 10% of Croatian territory). In August they lost Serbian
territories in Croatia (around 20% of Croatian territory). In September
they lost the following towns in Bosnia: Glamoc, Bosansko Grahovo, Drvar,
Petrovac, Kulen Vakuf, Bosanska Krupa, Donji Vakuf, Jajce, Sipovo, Vozuca
and Bocac (power plant 15 km away from Banja Luka). [Note: Banja Luka
region was already given back to Serbs according to Dayton treaty.] In
total, approx. 20% of Bosnian territory was liberated during 1995.
Great part of that territory was lost by the Serbs during the two last
weeks of the war. Reinforcement from Serbia arrived to retake some of
these towns. But it was an army of young, inexperienced soldiers; it was
completely defeated by the experienced Bosnian Army in the battles for
Kljuc and Sanski Most. Varcar Vakuf, Sanski Most on Vrbas valley were
liberated on October 10 and 11. Bosnian Army in that moment held 53% of
territory. Serbian officials were crying: "If something is not done in
36 hours, the Serbian component in Bosnia will be destroyed." In that
moment Izetbegovic stopped our Army and saved the Serbs. The cease fire
commenced in October 1995; that was when Serbs were already running away
from other Bosnian town Prijedor, and were ready to leave Banja Luka. Why
did Izetbegovic do it? Why shouldn't Bosnians liberate their country? Some
answers can be found in the brief history of the conflict that follows.


Former Bosnian leader Hamdija Pozderac was the main problem for
executioners of the "Greater Serbia" project. Unlike Alija Izetbegovic and
Haris Silajdjic, he never accepted to negotiate about neither Bosnian
borders nor the Bosnian Constitution. That's why the "Greater Serbia
lobby" in Bosnia tried to remove Hamdija Pozderac from power several times
and to put in power somebody like Izetbegovic and Silajdjic; somebody who
will negotiate and legalize Serbian war gains; somebody who will pretend
to be a Muslim "fundamentalist". Hamdija Pozderac was the leader of
Bosnians who imprisoned Izetbegovic in 1983. Pozderac's police found out
that Izetbegovic dreamed to partition Bosnia to ethnic states, which is in
the best Greater Serbian interest. To reach that goal, he manipulated and
still manipulates the Muslims of Bosnia and all over the world.
Izetbegovic's "Islamic Declaration" was published for the first time in
Belgrade, Serbia, by Serbian extreme nationalist publisher "Srpska rec"
(The Serbian Word"). Every Bosnian knows that Izetbegovic declared himself
as a Serbian national of Muslim descent. Bosnians did not pay necessary
attention to those facts.

Shortly before the war, in the setup known as "Agrokomerc affair", Bosnian
leader Hamdija Pozderac was removed, and the influential Greater Serbia
lobby in Bosnia released Izetbegovic from the prison and enabled him to
register his party (SDA). As it was the first non-Communist party after
50 years of Communist control, Izetbegovic became a hero and a political
leader. Hence, the office clerk Alija Izetbegovic became President of
Bosnia. The Greater Serbia project could start. All Bosnian leaders who
insisted on integral and secular Bosnia (as its Constitution and its
citizens demand), were either removed by Izetbegovic, as, for example,
General Sefer Halilovic, Muhamed Cengic, Dr. Rusmir Mahmutcehajic, or
killed by Karadzic's fascists. Examples of this method are Dr. Hakija
Turajlic, Dr. Irfan Ljubljankic, and some other officials. There are
hundreds of other patriots removed, killed and injured in "accidents".
The common political of all those victims is that they all strongly
opposed the partition of the country. Their names mean much to Bosnians,
but they are unknown abroad, hence, omitted.

To reach this goal, destruction of the sovereign state Bosnia-Herzegovina,
Izetbegovic manipulates Muslims in Bosnia as well as Muslims
all over the world, pretending that he is a Muslim "fundamentalist" who
wants to establish a Muslim State on the smaller territory. Now we came
to the end. Izetbegovic and Silajdjic accepted the partition in 1993;
during 1994 they have done that by tricking the People and the Parliament
that "this is just a tactic, because the Serbs will not accept it". After
the Serbs refused the plan, they announced that Bosnia accepts the plan
permanently and that the world should force the Serbs to accept it also.
Hence, instead of a tactic, the partition became "Bosnia's destiny".
Izetbegovic and Silajdjic advocated often: "The plan is not good, but it
is the only one." The Bosnian patriots are asking them: "Isn't the freedom
and integrity of our country the only plan acceptable for the sworn
President and Prime minister of the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina?"

Many supporters of Dayton say: "Even today, giving up the peace treaty and
arming Bosnians will be an adventure; resulting at best in defeat of one
side and thus sowing the seeds of future conflict. ... Continued fighting
can not be a 'better' alternative than peace." The problem with above
logic is that there IS now one defeated side: the Bosnian side. The tragedy
is that the Serbs were militarily defeated, and we lost our country. The
Americans are now in Bosnia because Izetbegovic's and Silajdjic's
signatures on the Dayton treaty enabled NATO to keep Bosnians away from
their homes when Serbs were not able to prevent them any more to recapture
their lost towns and villages.

Because all of this, the new elections in Bosnia (Fall 1996 ?) based on
ethnic and territoryal criteria, signed behind closed doors in Dayton, are
only the last step in "legitimate" and "voluntary" disappearances of
Bosnia. It is the only way for Serb war criminal Karadjic's goal to
become legal and permanent. Even without Karadjic and Mladic in power,
Serb genocidal goal is now defended by the US troops positioned on the
borders of Karadjic's graveyard state and Clinton's Administration
credibility invested in Dayton agreement.

By giving attributes of "peace" the Administration is now using Silajdic
to group and isolate eventual Bosnian secular (statehood and
multi-cultural oriented) opposition and concentrate that secular
force towards the Dayton agreement -- instead towards the last Bosnian
legitimate and internationally recognized Constitution from 1991;
defeat of the 1991 Constitution is the only way to protect the
"fundamentalist" Izetbegovic and his "peace signatures war" against the
secular and multi-cultural Bosnia. However, the Bosnian people are not
the only side that is being tricked by this calous scenario -- the
American People are given a false picture of what is going on in Bosnia.

The US Soldiers and Dayton accord in Bosnia have only one goal: to
legalize genocide as a method for terminating one UN member state!
Today, finally (!) Alija Izetbegovic (the 'wild-card' used for that job)
is at risk of being seen through by all Bosnian loyal citizens.
In order to find a replacement for Izetbegovic, Haris Silajdic has been
chosen by Warren Christopher as the next in line to continue fooling the
Bosnians -- as well the honest American people.

In US military base in Dayton, behind closed doors, an agreement was
signed to enable not only Karadjic's war criminals, but also Russia
to cross the strategic and historical border on the river Drina! That
border was defended by the Bosnians for more than 1000 years! For this
pro-Russian policy to be invisible to Americans -- Warren Christopher now
requires a lot of construed "muslim danger" in Bosnia; it also calls for
the new elections in Bosnia; those elections will completely annull the
internationally sponzored and recognized Independence Referendum of
March 1, 1992. After that, we can expect series of UN resolutions to
neutralize the UN resolutions 757, 777 etc. Resolutions 757 and
777 described war against Bosnia as illegal aggression. It requires also
here described direct alliance with a small group of "Muslim
fundamentalists" who are about to rename Bosnian civic name (Bosnian
citizen) to: Muslims (the name that assumes only religious autonomy) .

That is being accomplished by use of Izetbegovic and Silajdjic, fabricated
leaders who are fighting against theory of state itself. Only problem for
that alliance is to be invisible, and only goal is to put Bosnians from
Universities, Parliaments, media etc. to the only ghetto reserved for
Muslims: the mosques.

One should know that Bosnia has no presidential system like in the USA;
Izetbegovic, with his one year mandate, was not allowed to negotiate,
let alone sign away Bosnia's sovereignty. For that power to be
given to him, USA and western high policy kept Sarajevo Parliament,
University, and media under blockade until the power of Bosnian state
institution was reduced a few remaining intellectuals and Izetbegovic's
project of "some territory for HIS people"


Presidency of the BOSNIAN CONGRESS - USA
Tel. ++ 617-783-8796 & ++ 810-828-3193
Fax. ++ 810-828-3069
e-mail: az...@tiac.net

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Damon Lynch

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960707...@sunspot.tiac.net>,
az...@sunspot.tiac.net says...

>
>
> On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Damon Lynch wrote:
>
>
> > With respect, have you taken into consideration the power of
governments
> > like the United States and France? If any secretary general wanted
to do
> > something that was good and ethical and proper, and it went against
the
> > narrowly defined interests of the global powers, then they would be
> > removed. And furthermore, they wouldn't get there in the first
place. I
> > personally believe you may well have a legitimate problem with the
> > secretary general, but did he really have that much choice? I think
not.
> > Perhaps you would be better of campaigning for a democratic security
> > council, i.e. the removing of the veto and permanent membership.
> >
> > Damon
>
>
> If B. B. Ghali was a good Secretary General, than his decisions
> wouldn't be affected with the name and the power of the country. What
> would you think of judge who reasons on the following
> way: if a somebody influential is a murderer, I will not punish him
because
> I will have his powerfull friends against me. A good judge and a good
> Secretary General MUST make all decisions in accordance to rules. If
Serbs
> violated international law, if they commited agression and genocide,
then
> they have to be punished. For various reasons, he did not act according
> to that logic. He had his favorites among those who are proven war
> criminals.
>
> I agree witho you that the U. N. should be reformed in order to have
all
> countries equal with respect to international law and U. N. ckharter.
The
> first step is to remove people like Ghali.
>

In your desire to remove the current secretary general you are in
agreement with the United States. The current secretary general has been
pushing hard for reform of the United Nations. The United States wants
to spend less money on the United Nations, while continuing to exert
massive influence over it to reflect its own policy goals. The United
States idea of reform does not encompass democracy or greater power for
the Third World. Quite the opposite. The United States wants to get rid
of the current secretary general because they are totally opposed to the
reforms he would like to implement. Remember when the Rwanda crisis
began? The first world did *nothing* for many months, despite the
secretary general appealing on countless occasions for help to stop the
appalling genocide. Reform of the United Nations does not start with
removing the current secretary general. It involves recognizing facts
such as the current permanent members of the security council are the
worlds biggest individual arms exporters--these are the nations with the
hands on the levers of power in the sorts of decisions you are quite
rightly concerned with.

Damon

Bosnian Congress USA

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On 8 Jul 1996, Juan Rodriguez wrote:

> >Perhaps you would be better of campaigning for a democratic security
> >council, i.e. the removing of the veto and permanent membership.
>

> I would not think so; you cant change reality by a decree. Nation-states
> are not human beings; there is no equality among them, and there is no
> way to define "democracy among nations." By removing veto and permanent
> membership you would just create a small scale copy of the General As-
> sembly; maybe flashier, certainly almost useless. Any organization in
> which China has the same weight as (for example) Uruguay, and India the
> same weight as (for example) Lesotho can't be very effective.

I dont't agree. Of course there is no equality among the nations in size
and in economy, but there should be equality with respect the U.N. charter
and international law. You are telling us that rich and/or large nations
should have some other justice than the small ones. This is the same thing
as asking for different rights between rich and poor people with respect
to civil laws in one country. As you know, in accordance to law, Clinton
is treated equally to every homeless person, and it works. He is still
the most powerfull man in USA. His equality with respect to USA laws with
other citizens did not harm his influence. The equality of all nations
with respect to international law will not change their economical
resources, culture of their citizens the number of their citizens and so
on.

Muhamed


Bosnian Congress USA

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On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Damon Lynch wrote:

> In your desire to remove the current secretary general you are in
> agreement with the United States. The current secretary general has been
> pushing hard for reform of the United Nations. The United States wants
> to spend less money on the United Nations, while continuing to exert
> massive influence over it to reflect its own policy goals. The United
> States idea of reform does not encompass democracy or greater power for
> the Third World. Quite the opposite. The United States wants to get rid
> of the current secretary general because they are totally opposed to the
> reforms he would like to implement. Remember when the Rwanda crisis
> began? The first world did *nothing* for many months, despite the
> secretary general appealing on countless occasions for help to stop the
> appalling genocide. Reform of the United Nations does not start with
> removing the current secretary general. It involves recognizing facts
> such as the current permanent members of the security council are the
> worlds biggest individual arms exporters--these are the nations with the
> hands on the levers of power in the sorts of decisions you are quite
> rightly concerned with.
>
> Damon

As I remember Tutsi people, the victims of genocide, refused to accept U.
N. intervention in Ruwanda as it was proposed by B. B. Ghali. They
realised that only Hutus, sponsored by the French, will benefit in such an
intervention. Unfortunately, in both cases, Bosnia and Ruwanda, Ghali was
sided with aggressors. In both cases Ghali and the French did not care for
justice, but for French interests. Hence, I don't think that third world
would benefith from reforms of U. N. proposed by Ghali.

Even though Clinton administration is not devoted to justice in the Ghali
case they are good guys. Simply because Ghali went too far with the
abuse of his power as Secretary General.

Muhamed.

sherif mansour

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i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada
he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is muslim or jwish or christin you supied people out there if you know
realy egypt you will nver say anything about muslim christian problem we love each other we even pray togther we go to school togther
to make aware of some thing that dr Ghali he is the behined the seen brain for the peace at the middeleast prisdent Sadat and MR Begin With Mr periz
please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada


Ali Obaidi

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shut your face! you idiot.

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sherif mansour (she...@cyberus.ca) wrote:
: i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims


: that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada
: he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is muslim or jwish or christin you supied people out there if you know
: realy egypt you will nver say anything about muslim christian problem we love each other we even pray togther we go to school togther
: to make aware of some thing that dr Ghali he is the behined the seen brain for the peace at the middeleast prisdent Sadat and MR Begin With Mr periz
: please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
: sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada

I second your opinion that Dr. Ghali is a good person and an honest
politician. Other people should know that the sec. gen. has very limited
powers in his hands, he cannot change the world unless influencial member
countries are willing to do so as well.

-Ahmed

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she...@cyberus.ca (sherif mansour) wrote:
>
> i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
> that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada
> he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is muslim or jwish or christin you supied people out there if you know
> realy egypt you will nver say anything about muslim christian problem we love each other we even pray togther we go to school togther
> to make aware of some thing that dr Ghali he is the behined the seen brain for the peace at the middeleast prisdent Sadat and MR Begin With Mr periz
> please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
> sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada
>

Come on Sherif you must be joking. The first thing B.B.G did
after being appointing as a secretry general was his great
interpretation of the 242 resolution in which he agreed with
Israelis understanding. On that he got a lot of bashing in the
Arab media. Then his Somalia fiasco, and then his Bosnia
genocide blessing. As for those who do not know the "noble"
history of the family, i would like to remind you with the
history of his grandfather. His grandfather was a judge under
British occupation of Egypt. He convicted innocent villagers
with a false charchged brought against them after a British soldier
died from sun heat. The group were accused falsley of beating
the man to death. After Ghali senior(who was residing over the
case) convicted them, they were hanged in front of every one
in the village. Treason runs in the blood of his family. Though
as a puppet he can do no good, he can do a lot of harm by hampering
any good that might come in addition to making any bad to become
worse.

Soha & Omar

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Well sir,

I have to second what you said about BB Ghali being a puppet. I do not
believe that he is a treator though. I would rather put it this way: the
guy doesn't owe us anything. His loyalty goes to himself and his job.
His being unable to perform this job well is a completely differnt
story.

I think this guy's problem is he is just a failure and of course he only
aims to please those who have the power to keep him in his place for yet
another run.

I think to say that BB Ghali is the enemy of Muslims is a rather naive
outlook on Politics and life for that matter. We have to understand that
whoever has the power will get things done his own way. It has nothing
to do with being Muslim or Christian. This power I am talking about is
the economic power. It is the only way to be listened to in today's
world. I wish everyone would stop wining about how everyone is being
unjust towards us and concentrate on bettering ourselves so that we can
have a say in our lives. No one will then dictate us on how to live our
lives.
--
Sincerely,
Soha El-Laithy
e-mail: tria...@ritsec1.com.eg


Michael Sells

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In article <50u7nb$m...@cybernews.cyberus.ca>, she...@cyberus.ca (sherif
mansour) wrote:

> i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that
b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
> that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to
meet with him in ottawa canada


Dear Sherif Mansour,

What Boutros Boutros Ghali did, in being complicit in the systematic
extermination of Bosnian Muslims, is unforgiveable. It was not just one
act of complicity in genocide, but a pattern of behavior over 3 years,
including the following:

1) Suppression of the reports of genocide in the spring of 1992. By
suppressing these reports, Boutros-Ghali helped doom thousands of Bosnian
Muslims to rape camps, killing centers, and mass-murder. Had he openly
condemned them in May 1992 and helped rally the world against them, tens
of thousands of lives would have been saved.

2) His despicable statement that the genocide in Bosnia being carried out
against Bosnian Muslims was a "rich man's war." Maybe Mr. Boutros Ghali
should go to see the excavations of the mass graves and see if the people
there are poor enough for him yet to consider them as human beings.

3) His continued refusal to urge enforcement of UN resolutions allowing
for humanitarian aid to Muslim enclaves and an end to attack on Muslim
civilians. This was a completely consistent policy.

4) His direct collaboration with his assistant, Yasushi Akashi and with
French General Bertrand Janvier in giving the Serb army a "green light" to
overrun and annihilation the "SAFE HAVENS" of Srebrenica and Zepa.

5) His statement in Arabic, overheard and published on a BBC report, after
the genocide at Srebrenica, that "in a few weeks it will be forgotten."

6) His continual effort to make a moral neutrality between the victims of
genocide and the perpetrators of genocide.

7) His 3 year refusal to denounce the genocide as genocide, and to call
for the enforcement of the Geneva conventions banning genocide.

8) His 3 year lobbying against robust air strikes, saying they would do no
good. When those air strikes were launched in Sept. 1995, the Serb army
stopped its genocide in 3 weeks! Had a credible threat of such strikes
been used in 1992, the Bosnian Muslims would have been saved from genocide
and millions of Bosnian Muslims, Serbs, and Croats would be living in
their homes now, instead of in the misery of refugee camps.

Seldom as a person with so much capability to do good acted so stubbornly
and persistenly to encourage evil. Yes, it is true, the Secretary General
only carries out policy dictated by the Security Council, but Boutros
Boutros Ghali made it very clear he not only supported abandonment of
Bosnian Muslims, but that he would do everything in his bureaucratic power
(which is considerable) to make sure nothing effective was done to save
them.

Why did Boutros Boutros Ghali so persistently encourage the Serb army to
exterminate Bosnian Muslims, annihilate mosques, libraries, tekkes,
manuscript collections, and every trace of Bosnian Muslim existence? Why
did he spend three years fighting every effort to either allow the Bosnian
Muslims to defend themselves or to support them with air strikes. When
against his policy, NATO carried out air strikes finally, in Sept. of
1996, the Serb army abandoned its genocide in 3 weeks. How many innocent
lives could have been saved if Boutros Boutros Ghali had not betrayed
these people.

I don't know what the motivation was in his complicity in the genocide in
Bosnia. It is understandable some would consider it anti-Muslim hatred
that led him to so stubbornly support policies that allowed extermination
of Bosnian Muslims. At any rate, Boutros Boutros-Ghali will go down in
history for betraying the Bosnian people, whom he was supposed to help
protect, into the hands of mass-murder and annihilation.

Next time you see Mr. Boutros-Ghali, perhaps you might ask him this
question: What did the Bosnian Muslims men, women, and children whose
extermination you oversaw ever did to you, Mr. Boutros-Ghali, to deserve
such a fate?


Michael Sells

ashor

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Soha & Omar wrote:>
> Well sir,
>
> I have to second what you said about BB Ghali being a puppet. I do not
> believe that he is a treator though. I would rather put it this way: the
> guy doesn't owe us anything. His loyalty goes to himself and his job.
> His being unable to perform this job well is a completely differnt
> story.
>
> I think this guy's problem is he is just a failure and of course he only
> aims to please those who have the power to keep him in his place for yet
> another run.
>
> I think to say that BB Ghali is the enemy of Muslims is a rather naive
> outlook on Politics and life for that matter. We have to understand that
> whoever has the power will get things done his own way. It has nothing
> to do with being Muslim or Christian. This power I am talking about is
> the economic power. It is the only way to be listened to in today's
> world. I wish everyone would stop wining about how everyone is being
> unjust towards us and concentrate on bettering ourselves so that we can
> have a say in our lives. No one will then dictate us on how to live our
> lives.
> --
> Sincerely,
> Soha El-Laith(AM) Bless you, Soha.
Your observation of the current world's geopolitics, are well on the mark. Wish
there're more open minded people as yourself, that can realise the truth behind the
politics rather than believing in propoganda and false accusations.

galina

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> Michael SellsMichael,

I was very moved by your writing. Did you know that Ghali is an Orthodox
Christian like some of us? therefore, by his actions, in becoming yet
another little boy playing at peoples' lives as if it were a military
board game instead of thinking in terms of the global consequences of his
actions, has proven that we must very much rethink who we allow to be in
such a position of trust. For he has not only made a mockery of the
U.N., he has, by his inaction and action both, shown that contempt for
the people of the Balkans is an appropriate and replicable behavior,
therefore engendering repeat atrocities in the same region.

I am glad that you mentioned Akashi, for he bears part of the same sin.
This seems to be an era where few have the courage to speak and fewer
still the courage to act.

In my opinion, the ENABLERS OF ATROCITY, of which Ghali and Akashi are
two, and some of our national leaders are minion, should be brought to
the Hague with the Commiters of Atrocity.

Galina

ea-impex

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wa...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Ahmed Mohammed Wagih) wrote:
>

>
> I second your opinion that Dr. Ghali is a good person and an honest
> politician. Other people should know that the sec. gen. has very limited
> powers in his hands, he cannot change the world unless influencial member
> countries are willing to do so as well.
>
> -Ahmed


Ahmed,

Only good politician is a DEAD POLITICIAN.

Idiot GHALI is nothing but a CIA PUPPET...


ErcUment

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she...@cyberus.ca (sherif mansour) wrote:

>i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
>that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada

>he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is muslim or jwish or christin you supied people out there if you know
>realy egypt you will nver say anything about muslim christian problem we love each other we even pray togther we go to school togther
>to make aware of some thing that dr Ghali he is the behined the seen brain for the peace at the middeleast prisdent Sadat and MR Begin With Mr periz
>please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
>sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada

The problem of the people who accuse Dr. Ghali of anti-Moslem or any
other thing is that they think that he holds true powers. I have news
for you; Ghali's position's is almost ceremonial and unless the
influencial countries want to do something, he cannot do anything.

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Ahmed M.W.Abdel-Latif
Ph.D. Candidate in City & Regional Planning
Joint Supervision, University of Pennsylvania, Cairo University
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~wagih
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Ahmed M.W.Abdel-Latif
Ph.D. Candidate in City & Regional Planning
Joint Supervision, University of Pennsylvania, Cairo University
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~wagih
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ashor

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wa...@sas.upenn.edu wrote:
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> The problem of the people who accuse Dr. Ghali of anti-Moslem or any
> other thing is that they think that he holds true powers. I have news
> for you; Ghali's position's is almost ceremonial and unless the
> influencial countries want to do something, he cannot do anything.
>

(AM) Well said Mr. Wagih, but it seems like some individuals are having hard time to
digest this fact and they want to make an issue of Christian/Muslim out of it.

Y Rapido

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BOUTROS BOUTRSO GHALI (AT LEAST PARTIALLY) EXPOSED
by the scholars from North American Universities


Key words: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Boutros Boutros Ghali/UN/atrocities/
Socialist International/conflicts in interest/negligence/
Incompetence/genocide/Gross Misconduct

July 7, 1996.

We the undersigned members of major Universities throughout
the United States and Canadian provinces, of sound mind and
intelligence, bound by no prejudice nor inequity are hereby
requesting the removal of UN Secretary General Boutros Ghali
on grounds of severe conflicts in interest, corruption and
incompetence only too clearly affirmed, locally & internationally
on all levels public & private.

The only legitimate means for land clearance; "A rich man's war."


The very presentation of the UN has been purposely amateur + fully
staged to the extent of even overtly violating it's very own charters.
Charter after charter; resolution after resolution, intentionally
overridden to make way......for what Ghali chooses to call:
"a rich man's war." Now, what kind of 'humanitarian' orgnanization
violates it's own charters ? Article 51; Resolution 110/II, adopted
unanimously by the UN General Assembly on Nov. 8 1947; ECOSOC Pact
ratified on Civil and Political Rights Prohibition of any propaganda
in support of war and any preaching of nationalistic, racial, or
religious hatred which promote discrimination, hostile acts, and
violence. UN Yearbook, 1947/48, pp.83-89, 133-135, 588-595.


II-

Charges against the Ghali led UN Administration are numerous,
justified and as follows:

(-/-; negative represented as negative)

1-Failure to lead effectively, adequately, efficiently, appropriately
and if at all representationally

2-Serving a contrary role: making war more profitable than
peace

3-Serving a contrary role: Causing a significant disturbance in
the international community by arrogant and thoughtless adherence
to unjust + inferior policies, incompetent resolutions, inappropriate
and counterproductive measures that angered the international islamic
communities into expressed outrage , verbal and planned physical
defiance of a genocidal arms embargo.

4- Abuse of power: Use of poor judgment and totalitarian reign,
reflected in the unanimous vote of the U.S. House + Senate for a
lift in the Arms Embargo.

5- Misuse of position: Being humiliatingly ousted from a three
year despicable display of ineffective leadership, clearing way
for immediate + effective resolutions

6- Abuse of power + privilege: breaches of rules, orders, established
resolutions within the UN, and established common laws

7-Serving a contrary role: Refusal to do the job trusted therein.
Though quite able and legally required to, unwilling to
silence / discourage / denounce racial defamation as fuel source
for war propaganda ( A direct violation of several prior
UN calls / measures / resolutions)


(-/0; negative represented as neutrality)

b1-Corruption: leading + promoting a civil conspiracy against
the muslim community & the people of Bosnia through misuse of
public office & deliberate misclassification of policies

b2- Conflicts in interest: taking an active role in undermining
efforts in Democratic/capitalistic reform

b3- Conflicts in interest: use of UN post as a means to further
agendas in socialism, in accord with prior role as vice president
of Socialist International.

b4- Willing accomplice to genocide: promotion of deliberate and
calculated stall tactics that robbed the citizens of Bosnia of life,
liberty, independence and freedom of religious expression.

b5- Corruption leading to genocide: denial of the right to self
preservation (Malicious and intentional violation of UN charter
Article 51).

b6- Abuse of power, position + privileges: concentration,
centralization, abuse + misuse of power, position & privilege

b7- Misuse of position: use of public office as a front for
promotion of personal interests

b8- Abuse of power + misuse of trust given to a public officer:
uninvited use of Bosnia as 'proving grounds' for volatile
experiments in socialist ideology, in the spirit of Marxist
oppression

b9-Misuse of position + privilege: unjustified, unmerited,
uninvited, illegal + irresponsible abuse of premeditated requests
to maliciously postpone indefinitely effective resolutions,
making resolutions by rule of orderdeliberately impossible to
carry out.


(-/+; negative represented as positive)

c1- Misrepresentation of public best interest: refusal to
protect civilians who placed trust within a leadership more
effective in deceiving + misleading than leading + achieving

c2- Using disinformation to deceive + neutralize justice: use
of "war" as a false label in a public misinformation strategy
bent on justifying carnage and violent assault upon unarmed civilians

c3- Contempt of the U.S. Constitution: undermining the
U.S. constitution through planned efforts and predetermined
responses intent on depriving people of life, liberty, freedom
of religious expression and every means by which those very rights
are protected therein.

c4- Corruption: use of office in promotion of socialist agendas,
under the fabricated label of Democracy as a legitimizing label

c5- use of office in leading efforts in disinformation + international
extortion

c6- Premeditated Manslaughter: grave breaches of international
security; promoting war crimes through disturbing characteristics
in ignorance and abnormally perverse levels of tolerance for the
suffering of the islamic community, verified via direct eye-witness
testimony.

c7- Corruption + deception: use of UN as a false and misleading
label for the promotion of activities, not in accord with Democracy
or human rights

c8- Use of disinformation as a strategy to promote Socialist agendas:
use of UN label as a necessary legitimizing means for diabolic ends
in parasitism that would not succeed in the absence of such a label

c9- Use of position as an instrument to corrupt influences: use
of UN as a tool in justified colonialism + incorporation of malicious
parasitic ideologies, under the false + misleading label of Democracy.

c10-enforcing opinions disguised + maliciously played as
Democratically represented fact, through accomplices in
disinformation

c11-use of UN as false Democratic means to actual socialist ends


iii

We denounce the Ghali led/EC polarized Administration as influenced
and highly corrupt. It's interests misrepresented in the public's
and favored in it's own private support of private affluence.
KE.E +/- t(-) It's performance in Bosnia, staged and purposely
incompetent. PE.E +/- t(-) t(0) It's abilities, intentionally
self-inhibited. KE.A +/- t(-) t(0) It's claims, maliciously false.
KE.V +/-; -/+ t(-) It's public campaign, malicious and purposely
deceptive. (-/0) t(-) t(0) t(+) It's physical delivery of ends,
Colonial land. (-/0) t(-) t(0) t(+) It's intellectual, Colonial
Influence. (-/0) t(-) t(0) t(+) It's spiritual, a reproduction
of darkness and hideous evil.

A-The behavior of the UN in Bosnia has been heart-breakingly
corrupt, deceptive, and privately influenced. A Call for
investigation + due representation is in the very order and needs
be overseen/monitored to un-interfered completion without compromise
of its full integrity.

Ab-The Ghali led UN Administration has enforced subjective opinion
disguised as concrete fact. Privately influenced decisions as legal,
supported, democratic, and invited resolutions. While international
protest, congressional dissatisfaction, cultural outrage has more
than defused this myth. The UN has been a label. And nothing more
than a label. A label intent on deception, manipulation, and public
consensus of means and measures that are in actuality very private,
elitist, and corrupt in nature. It has favored time and time again
centralism, imperialism, subversive colonialism. Taking power away
from the people and giving it unanimously to the state. Dictating
policy and treating people like worthless cattle that should be
pushed around, thrown out of their homes, taken to rape camps,
slaughtered, and left there to die. People who placed their faith
in the presumptive label of the UN paid a great and dear price.

We politically propose + promote justice; socially promote equality;
publicly promote an investigation; regionally back the request with
voice of legal, personal, and group petitions; regionally, nationally,
and internationally back + promote public consent in itís very own interest.

The UN leadership has allowed act of self-interest to supersede
professional obligations. It needs take responsibility for it's actions
intellectually in the form of apologies, financially in the form of
compensation for lost property from the persistent interference with
property and self preservation rights, and physically via jail
sentences for all who misrepresented the very will of it's
constituents abroad. The UN has given the false and misleading
impression of adequate representation where there was none. The
inhumanity, fully inhuman in origin.

The UN is a very real monster that pretends to look like a saint.
A Ventillation front for public pressure alleviation for purposes
in uninterfered continuance of monstrosities. Let us recognize
the UN for what it truly is. A deliberate Ventilation front that
serves it's 1st and foremost purpose of legitimate public pressure
alleviation through delivery of illegitimate horizontal means
(e.g. stall tactics) and ends where the vertical is proficient,
ethical, appropriate, feasable, and legal. A deliberate-by-design,
pressure alleviating entity that begs for the very recognition.
The 2nd purpose of the UN is a dark perverse parasitic system of
illegitimate justification. Justification for injustice;
justification for carnage; justification for mass murder;
justification for chaos; bloody mayhem; justification for
human sacrifices. A justification system, merciless + imperialist
by design to deliver it's benefactors with cheap labor, land and
resources. A justification system the devil himself couldnt top.
A justification system that declares "Peace !" only to cut
people + their regions to pieces.

We reiterate, we are disenchanted, disillusioned with 'our'
representatives. Troubled by it's perversion abroad that arises
from lack of proper representation in humanitarian interests.
We would like to express our voice of discontent, our voice of
concern, our voice of legal, orthodox, constitutionally affirmed
reason in questioning behavior that has been less than ideal,
less than legal, less than Constitutional. We question leaders
who deny the right to self preservation and it's acquisition but
simultaneously maintain and increase their very own. Their only
'representation' being their parasitic own.

We reaffirm, the UN suffers from a credibility problem.
A credibility problem with Tibetans who now for 50 years have been
promised assistance but have received only deaths totaling more
than a million. It has a credibility problem in Asia where for
decades on end 8 to13 year old girls are kidnapped and sold into
child prostitution houses ran by government heads catering to
UN / House of Commons member taste for fetishes. (This is all
verifiable,as are the intentional lack of any 'sanctions.') It
has a credibility problem in the Middle East in enforcing sanctions
upon an entire city only to send an arguably trivial message to
the very same head it refused to remove some 5 years ago and still
wants there to control stability within the region in addition to
filling quotas for big brothers. It has credibility problems in
saying its trying to save children when it is clear that it's
actions have directly killed more than half a million. And yes,
it has a credibility problem in Bosnia where it disarmed only to
make penetration more easy, blocked external assistance only after
Mr. Douglas Colonial Hurd said so, and refused to protect though it
claimed to and was more than Gulf-capable to do so. It so appears
that it has more a credibility problem with innocent civilians than
with tyrants intent on imperialist agendas in
domination/ domineering + parasitic orders. This all may come as a
surprise, but not to itís victims. And so it is with grave and
heavy heart that we denounce the UN for in so doing we give the
false and misleading impression that we are going against an
international body in the best interest of civilians everywhere.
When the overwhelming evidence is to the exact contrary. And our
gripe, with subversion. We have a problem with an entity that
claims peace + delivers war. Denounces heads but maintain them.
Calls for sanctions to deliver death, murder + mayhem. And
refuses it to prevent child prostitution, mass murder + chaos.

We recognize the UN dripping, soaked, drenched with innocent
blood. It's face and canine teeth covered with flesh + gore.
While simultaneously looking like a rabid dining wolf, speaking
like a gentle lamb. We recognize it by its fruits and demote
its very dark roots. Taking special note to warnings from
scriptures that caution such perversion to be linked to darkness
itself.


iv

Neither Muslim, Christian, nor Jewish communities have had the
slightest interest in seeing a group oppressed, denied assistance,
robbed of their rights to self preservation, robbed of their right
to acquire means of preservation. We ourselves would not invite
such perverse hypocrisy; and by necessity of reality look upon
the UN representation with fear and grave concern.
The 1.2 billion strong Muslims did not and, do not have the
slightest interest in seeing it's people compromised, it's
daughters taken to rape camps, it's mothers assaulted and
violently penetrated by unspeakable acts not allowed even in the
most unrestrictive of films. Clearly the will to preserve oil
barrels has been very different than preserving human lives.

The behavior of the UN leadership in Bosnia has been uncalled
for, exceptionally perverse and simply unacceptable. The lack
of disciplinary action marks the UN as internally corrupt, and
externally immune from those it is supposed to represent. This
lack of responsibility is amateur and imperialist by design.
Power without accountability is dangerous to endorse, encourage,
or promote in any way shape or form. We demand accountability !
The UN's abuse of power is unquestionable. The people have
clearly been betrayed, and intentionally so; for covert
subversive agendas in physical, political, cultural, intellectual,
spiritual clearance from an expanding EC. This calls forth some
serious questions that need be addressed by those most able and
responsible. To deny people their inherent rights while enjoying
our very own is unconscionable. We cannot endorse with taxes
behavior that we ourselves would not care to be subject to.


v

If the accused truly believe in the good stance + will of legally
uncomprimised positions, the Democratic interests of the UN,
the lack of parasitically enforced imperialistic ideologies, and
the lack of wealthy corruption behind these efforts there should
be no fear of a full investigation by a randomly chosen + appointed
committee of experts, unaffiliated with the UN, the Socialist
International, CFR, with any one central religion, race, creed,
color, dogma, organization, the masonry, or any other 'divine rights'
orders/advocates who are known to effectively use the trivial,
non-causatively correlated 'unknown' as a legitimizer for
corrupt means + methods; to make due delivery of increased power,
property, resources, privileges; parasitic + oppressively gained.


vi

As a public servant, serving in the public's best interest
we would like to call into attention questions that need be
answered in the full by a Mr. Ghali. With due investigative
prosecution as the insurer of valid and accurate testimony.

G1-answers as to reasons why he was ejected from further
obstruction of justice (before NATO did what it always sought:
protect....willingly...and ably; quite effectively).

G2-Answers to why he insisted on enforcing a legally unsupported
measure that inflamed the international community and served
a very contrary role by fracturing global stability.

G3-We would like to know why he denied assistance though more
than quite able. Who, if any influenced that decision.

G4-We would like to know what he thinks of the methodical rape
of girls in front of their mothers and why he refused to assist
though all else attest to the ready, able + willing state of
force at the disposal. We would like to know why his words
do not measure up to his actions nor his actions up to his words.

G5- We would like to know why he ties hands and falsely advertises
his own hands as being tied. If his hands indeed were tied, we
would like to know who did this very tying. Their very names.
And the names of their promoters in turn. Self Serving fabricated
Sound bites in place of profound reality is fully unendorsed.

G6-We would like to know if he has received bribery, been
blackmailed or is aware of any who have been corrupted in their
hand 'tying' decisions that do not hold the measures of popularity
nor legality; the will of those the UN is supposed to represent.

G7-Before a public hearing in the interest of the public through
means promoted by the very public, We would like to know how
the UN goes about measuring the request and accurate will of the
nations and goes about their due delivery via actions. Through
installed puppet heads or through precise + accurate representation
of their constituent's will ?

G8-We would like to know why this 'tying hand' business does not
hold an ounce of water, in light of clear international outrage
impressively on all continents to put a stop to the atrocities.

G9-We would like to know if the 'decisions' Mr. Ghali is so
keen in promoting measure up to public standards.

G10-The Public. The owners of the UN. We would like to know
if he agrees with this statement. That the UN belongs to the
public. If he agrees that it does, unquestionably, irrevocably,
without the slightest doubt.....we would like to know why the
public's best interest was clearly not represented. And au contraire,
ignored. Circular Rhetoric of internal immunity is unendorsed.

G11-We would like to know whose best interest was represented,
if not the publics.

-Does the UN represent the public ?
-Is the UN capable of representing the public.
-Is he aware of any incidence, any promotion of power in which
the UN did not represent the interest of the public ?

G12-If the UN is so keen in using a label designed for the public,
it needs take measures acknowledging and enforcing the will of
it's people or face monetary, social, political and intellectual
sanctions as well as a legal call for removal of a label intent
on deception, manipulation, trickery, and subversion. The UN.

G13-We would like to know if Mr. Ghali believes it was indeed in
the public's best interest to stand idly by and watch atrocities
against defenseless, harmless girls.

-Does Ghali think the public would support the lack of response
to protect and serve their best interests.....when perfectly able
to do so ?

G14-We'd like to know who in the UN is so keen in watching infants
snatched from their families, and taken off to rape camps. This
would indeed be a good question to ask in light of the actions
of promotion, rude denial, malicious lies, and vagrant unendorsed
sidings the well recorded.

G15-Why the lack of response when perfectly able ? Why ? Was
this the will of the representatives of UN ? Whose will was this ?
-Who promoted such malice, such atrocities, such clear violations
that blacken and mock the very foundation of all humanity ? Who is
responsible? The names.

G16-Does Mr. Ghali think the public would support the lack of
response to protect defenseless girls ? Snatched from their homes
and unto the womb of darkness.
-Does Ghali think the public would support the lack of response to
protect and serve their best interest....when perfectly able to
do so ?
-Just who in the world was the UN representing, Mr. Ghali ? Who,
if not the people ?

G16.b-Does Ghali think the public supports such perversion ? Such
effective Mockery ? Such irony ? Such clear Malice ? Does it
think we will be mocked in such ways ? Does it think we will endorse
such a disgrace with even a penny of reward ?
-Does Ghali think, in light of this, the public supports this Boutros
Ghali led treachery by the UN ?

G17-Rape, atrocities, murder, death, destruction promoted in our
very names? With our taxes ?
-We're supposed to pay to undermine our best interests ? Like
pay to have our teeth knocked out ?

G18-Hypocrisy is unendorsed. Mr. Ghali. Irony. Evil. Covert
Subversion. What is their difference in Bosnia ?

G19-The public's best interest was not represented. That is only
too clear.
-Then whose ? Whose best interest was if not the publics ?
-Who told Ghali to behave as he did ?
-To systemically deny assistance, to lie, to strip people of power,
of self preservation, of pride, of the inherent right to family
preservation, of life, of liberty, of independence, of religious
pursuits, cultural pursuits.

G20-In whose interest was this? This is clear colonialism in
the making, in the sole interest of land acquisition via the only
'legitimized' means possible. Disarm and remove. Plain, simple
unethical covert subversion every continent this century has
witnessed again and again.


We would like these here listed questions posted + brought forth.
Questions supported by the public, in the interest of the public,
demanded by the public, delivered for the very public. They are
questions. Questions intent on giving credit exactly where it's due,
and uncovering the veil of darkness that seeks to hide from the
very public that support it, means + methods that are not in the
publics best interests. Means + measures that if dared put to a
vote will fail. Means + methods that were promoted against the
publics best interest. Subversion, diversion, colonialism, promotion
of socialism through use of the UN as a label and an able shroud
of secrecy.

Colonialism is an old, old monster under a new veil of blue. If
the UN is not the UN, we demand more appropriate a label.


vii

-With the support of students unaffiliated in religion or thought
but for the similar conviction for necessity of due legal call
for truth + proper representation of justice, investigated so,
without hindrance as to and of by special interests won through
corruption, bribery, blackmail or simple deception. We are calling
for a full and comprehensive investigation led by Senator Joseph Biden
and comprised of senators of his choosing including Senators Feingold,
Lieberman for the effective and able delivery of due + legal representation
in the interest of the public, for the public, by the public delivered
in the presence of the public by means of mainstream media and accurate
reflection upon all those who need take appropriate and due
representation for all that they promoted through illegal and
non-representative, parasitic means.


This here petition is referred to as A.R.96h, unmodified in it's
current state of presentation and whose integrity shall be noted
or the lack of thereof with the appropriate call to points of
alteration so as to yield a more amiable statement, in accord with
the promoters and securers of the direct endorses of this here
legal petition.


Signed _______________________
by __________________
in the state, city,country of ___________________
as _____________ my sole witness with the support
of ______________ and hereby forwarded to on this day of____________
____________.


Group Petition/ Meeting with local Mayor in support/ Forward
Relay to Mayor endorsed Congressional Subpoenas
/ + 1:100:1:1:1000,000 > -1:-1000:-1000,000/ Destruction of
Parasitism in promotion of Mutualism via established energy
dynamics already present and more than the able

We would like to reaffirm the requirement for the UN to
change it's name to more accurate a representation.
A representation more in accord with it's behavior.
Since the 'UN' does not represent the interests of all
nations abroad with equality in power of influence, the
"United Nations" label needs be changed to more appropriate
and accurate a label, with a mission statement attesting to
it's legal course and means for the promotion of international
motions, policies, and measures. OPEC doesn't call it's self
the UN, and neither should the five in the drivers seat of a
label that does not ring true to it's representation. Power
has always been for the use or abuse. The 'United Nations'
label is clearly maliciously false and a vagrant
misrepresentation of reality. This is abuse and misuse of
a label intent on deception of it's very representatives, the
global civilian populace. The 'United Nations' label is false
and misleading, therefore it must be removed through a legal
call for it's removal. It simply does not represent what it
claims to. But is malicious in it's interests to abuse power
by giving the false and fabricated impression of a larger
interest and influence than it actually centrally-privately-corruptly
holds.


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je m'excuse de r駱ondre en francais, je comprend l'anglais mais je ne
peut pas encore l'馗rire, je ne peux m'empecher de r駱ondre au
commentaires que BBG est l'ennemie de l'islam je doit d'abord pr馗iser
que les ennemies numero 1 de l'islam, est cette partie d'individus qui se
disent musulmans et qui ont choisit de semer la terreur dans leurs pays.
au nom de l'islam qu'il interprete �leurs fa輟n, en falsifiant les
paroles d'allah et en disant que touts les non musulmans sont nos
ennemies. BBG repr駸ente de par sa fonction tous les habitants de la
plan鑼e et non pas juste les musulmans, les conflits Bosniaques et
palestinien ont leurs racines bien profondes et sont dues aussi au
manque de leadership et �la lach黎e des dirigents arabo-musulmans qui
sont incapables de s'unir. BBG vient de perdre la chance de se faire
r馥lir pour un deuxieme mandat parceque justement il est le seul de tous
le secr騁aires de l'onu �critiquer l'administration am駻icaine, sur les
droits qu'elle ne paye pas et parceque apr駸 le dernier bombardement du
liban par israel, aucun haut fonctionnaire de l'onu n'a oser faire le
fameux rapport sur le bombardement de la bases de l'onu qui abrit馥 des
civils, eh bien c'est BBG qui l'a fait sortir et signer par la lui m麥e,
malgr�l'oppostion et la col駻e des am駻icains, moi je le trouve tr駸
courageux. pour cela l'homme (clinton) �tout faire du lobby juif
am駻icain �jurer sa perte.
elhadi de montr饌l.


Mahmood Ali

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Where's the beef ?
What are you trying to say ?
Where are the examples ? Clear cut ones ?

I know the US Govt opposses his reelection. Is that why ?

Now could you tell us who you are ? Please, only a few sentence will do.

Thanks in advance.


Justice

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sherif mansour wrote:
>
> i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
> that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada
> he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is
> please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
> sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada

Mr Mansour, you my friend a total IDIOT.
To think that Ghali is a friend of the Muslims is the same
as saying that George Bush was the Mehdi.
Get your God-damn head out of your ass and open your
eyes.
Justice!

wa...@sas.upenn.edu

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Justice <ibn...@ccnet.com> wrote:

>sherif mansour wrote:
>>
>> i would like to know how...


>Mr Mansour, you my friend a total IDIOT.
>To think that Ghali is a friend of the Muslims is the same
>as saying that George Bush was the Mehdi.
>Get your God-damn head out of your ass and open your
>eyes.
> Justice!

There was really no need to this ugly landuage. Are you a real Moslem?

With all the trash you are writing while hiding your identity! I would
prefer to befriend a "Kafer" or even a "Satan worshiper" with clean
mouth rather than a-2-feet-long-beard-Moslem with a foul mouth.

-Ahmed

Alaa Zeineldine

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ashor (u52...@uic.edu) wrote:

Perhaps well said. Definitely not well-informed. Even if you put
aside the things that Mike Sellers mentioned in his, just consider that
Ghali was effectively the commander-in-chief of UNPROFOR. In that role
he possessed (and used) the final authority to approve or dissaprove
UNPROFOR commanders' requests for NATO air strikes against the Serbs
when they attacked the UN "Muslim lure traps" that were cynically
called Safe Havens.

As UNPROFOR Commander-in-Chief, Chali did not act ceremonially in the
least. He VETO'd the air strike request over and over again. He
was also in full control of his UNPROFOR commanders on the ground and
of his civilian representative in Bosnia. They acted according to his
portfolio to the fullest. Much to the frustration and repeated
protest of the Bosnian government whose hands were effectively tied by
the policy of Ghali and his commanders.

We Egyptians jump to euphoria whenever anyone of our nationals becomes
a celebrity of some sort on the world scene. This is a sign of
immaturity in our culture that does not suit a nation with a history
like ours. Our standards must be much higher than this.


- Alaa

Soh Oon Teck

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B.B.Ghali should resign from the post of Secretary General of the
U.N. to preserve his dignity and to protest againgst the
manipulations and interference of the Westren powers.

The U.N. is the symbol of western gansterisn and tyranny led by
the American rogue regime. It has been hijacked long ago to
further the economic,political, strategic and military interest
of the Western power. Through the UN, nobody can test nucclear
weapons, except the Western Powers . The nuclear weaponry of
China is not enough to counter the nuclear of the West. Iraq has
been bombed with impunity.


Soha & Omar

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Kerry Chivers wrote:
>
> Your spelling is shocking,

Ma'am, your message was sent to the wrong person (I am assuming you ment
the original message and not my reply to it) I do not think my spellling
is shocking, and even if it was; one should not judge people by their
knowledge of a foreign language. I do not know where you come from or
what you know, but a very obvious fact has escaped you: NOT EVERYONE
SPEAKS ENGLISH AS A MOTHER TONGUE. If you think somebody's English
spelling is shocking, try spelling one Arabic, Chinese, etc. word. (Go
Figure)

> and you force people to scroll across the screen to
> read each line.

I also don't know if you come from the dark ages, but some text editors
can't keep the normal 80x25 character format when writing mail. It has
nothing to do with the person who writes, but rather his/her budget. If
the person can afford good software he/she would probably go buy it. It
seems to me that, in addition to your fascination with criticizing
people for not knowing your own mother tongue, you also seem to enjoy
criticizing them for being underfunded or poor. (Go Figure)


Finally, you must observe Internet etiquet. You do not send somebody
mail just to tell them two entirely unnecessary comments that nobody is
interested in hearing. What are you? Are you unemployed? Do you have
nothing better to do? (Go Figure)
--
Sincerely,
Soha El-Laithy & Omar Abdallah
e-mail: tria...@ritsec1.com.eg


Justice

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wa...@sas.upenn.edu wrote:
>
> Justice <ibn...@ccnet.com> wrote:
>
> >sherif mansour wrote:
> >>
> >> i would like to know how...
>
> >Mr Mansour, you my friend a total IDIOT.
> >To think that Ghali is a friend of the Muslims is the same
> >as saying that George Bush was the Mehdi.
> >Get your God-damn head out of your ass and open your
> >eyes.
> > Justice!
>
> There was really no need to this ugly landuage. Are you a real Moslem?
>
> With all the trash you are writing while hiding your identity! I would
> prefer to befriend a "Kafer" or even a "Satan worshiper" with clean
> mouth rather than a-2-feet-long-beard-Moslem with a foul mouth.
>
> -Ahmed

My language may be harsh but I am tired of seeing Muslims

putting such idiotice messages in defense of the enemies of

humanity (such as Ghali). If you want to worship Satan that is

fine with me go right ahead. I am sick and tired of the injustices

which the Muslims have been subjected to over the past century.

Mr. Mansour's naive and uninfomred thinking infuriates me even further.

No sir, I dont have a two-foot long beard and I despise the

Quran-thumping fundamentalists. An Islamic renaissance is way overdue,

and that certainly wont be achieved by dragging the Islamic communities

back to the 7th century.
Justice!

ashor

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Justice wrote:
>
> My language may be harsh but I am tired of seeing Muslims
>
> putting such idiotice messages in defense of the enemies of
>
> humanity (such as Ghali). If you want to worship Satan that is
>
> fine with me go right ahead.


(AM) In your definition, whom do you consider Satan worshippers?


I am sick and tired of the injustices
>

>(AM) Isn't there a doctor where you live? or, they are non-muslims and you don't trust
them since you think the whole is conspiring to eliminate you muslims!!!

which the Muslims have been subjected to over the past century.

(AM) Can you be kind enought to back up such claims?

>
> Mr. Mansour's naive and uninfomred thinking infuriates me even further.
>
> No sir, I dont have a two-foot long beard

(AM) Then can you tell us how long is your beard? so we can update our portofolio.


and I despise the
>
> Quran-thumping fundamentalists. An Islamic renaissance is way overdue,
>
> and that certainly wont be achieved by dragging the Islamic communities
>
> back to the 7th century.

(AM) How about the 18th century? would that be ok.

> Justice!

Y Rapido

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ashor wrote:

> (AM) In your definition, whom do you consider Satan worshippers?

rap: Wasselam. Boutros Boutros Ghali has performed the work of Satan
against the muslims, all over the world. Is that Satan worship ? One
could easily call it that!



> which the Muslims have been subjected to over the past century.
> (AM) Can you be kind enought to back up such claims?

rap: Well, here is someone from the University of Chicago, who might
have fallen from the planet Mars yesterday, to ask such redundant and
insultingly stupid (deliberately stupid ?) questions.

rem...@interlog.com

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she...@cyberus.ca (sherif mansour) wrote:

>i would like to know how is the most stuped person how would say that b.b.ghali is an enemy of the muslims
>that is not true at all .i know dr ghali from egypt we had chance to meet with him in ottawa canada

>he is the most wonderful person that loves every one either he is muslim or jwish or christin you supied people out there if you know
>realy egypt you will nver say anything about muslim christian problem we love each other we even pray togther we go to school togther
>to make aware of some thing that dr Ghali he is the behined the seen brain for the peace at the middeleast prisdent Sadat and MR Begin With Mr periz

>please let us thank him and people like him for more overdue peace in the world
>sherif mansour......................ottawa.canada

I bet you are one of those people who believes everything he sees on
CNN !!!


ashor

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(AM) Responding in such a manner makes the questions that I raised more valid, you
didn't have to respond in such un called for manner. However, the question still
stands, can you back up your claims?.

What oppression or attrocities where there against Muslims? the only crimes carried
against Muslims were from their own Muslim Brothers! case in example, during the war in
Lebanon, the Huzballah fought against the Amal movement, Iran/Iraq war two Muslim
countries killed each other even in Bosnia Muslims fought against Muslims, or all these
killing are Hallal since it was performed by Muslims and on Muslims, but when it is
Non-Muslims against Muslims it is categorized as massacres, would you just for a moment
in your life try to be honest and fair.

PS. Can you for just once carry a healthy debate, if you can I am all ears and if you
can't feel free to show to others how ignorant you can be.

ish...@eosinc.com

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THE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR

I knew the man simply as 'ya doktor' which is how we addressed the
incumbent Sec-Gen of the United Nations in the days when he was
professor of international law in my Freshman year at Cairo University.
This was in the late '60s. Dr. Boutros Ghali (b. Nov. 14, 1922) was
supposedly acquainting us on the perplexities of 'Political Science'. I
underscore the "supposed" because
as far as I can recall, his no-show record surpassed that of his most
truant disciple. We were ostensibly told that 'al doktor' had other
responsibilities and was obliged to delegate his teaching assignments to
the 'mo'eid' or assistant lecturer. Whatever the reasons for his absence
I never doubted their worthiness. Faculty remuneration's in those days
were very modest and Dr. Ghali had many other professional interests.
Yet, when we saw his Fiat coupe parked adjacent to the college building,
we knew we could look forward to an absorbing
two-hour lecture.

Behind his back we had several nicknames for him. Those who had come
from English language schools referred to him as "Peter Precious", an
obvious play on his name (Boutros being the Arabic version for Peter,
and, precious, which is the English word for Ghali). My colleagues from
the French language schools including those from the Jesuits and the
Lycée, where Professor Ghali had studied as a schoolboy, referred to him
simply as "Bo-bo".

On the other hand, my late father, who was sixteen years the Sec-Gen's
senior, had taught Ghali's generation law at Cairo University. He knew
Ghali personally as 'Dr. Boutros' which is how the Sec-Gen's
contemporaries addressed him even when he became minister of state for
foreign affairs in November 1977. And whenever he - Ghali - signed his
scholarly articles in 'al-Seyassa al-Dawlia,' that very worthwhile
magazine he helped produce, he did so as Dr. Boutros Ghali. Seldom was
the use of the double-barreled appellation which became so
fashionable after Boutros 'Boutros-Ghali' made his appearance at the
United Nations in 1991.

Boutros GHALI THE FIRST (1846-1910)

The first Boutros Ghali was the UN Sec-Gen's grandfather... not his
father or uncle as so many mistakenly believe. His father was called
Youssef, a self-effaced member of the landed gentry who, as tradition
warrants, married a member of his own Coptic background, Sophie
Sharobim. From her he had three sons: Boutros, Michel and Raouf.
Ironically, they would marry (re-married in the case of Boutros and
Raouf who's first wives where local Christians) outside
their denomination, for their present respective wives are Jewish (Lea
Nadler), Moslem (Wafika al-Shiati) and Lutheran (Brit from Sweden).

In keeping with tradition, Youssef and Sophie's eldest son was named
after his eminent paternal grandfather who had departed so unexpectedly
in 1910. Boutros Ghali Pasha was written up in Egypt's modern history as
the first and last Coptic prime minister of this country. He was also
one of three Egyptian premiers assassinated this century, the others
being Ahmed Maher Pasha and Mahmoud Fahmi al-Nokrashi Pasha, slain in
1945 and 1948 respectively.

In the days when Boutros Ghali Pasha was minister of foreign affairs and
later head of government (1908-1910), the British were the de facto
rulers of Egypt. The khedive, technically a vassal of the sultan in
Turkey, was, in reality, a pawn of British imperialism. His government
was effective only within the very limited scope ascribed to it by the
British consul-general. The Egyptian armed force, for all intents and
purposes, did not exist. Instead, there was a British
army of occupation, in place since the quelling of Ahmed Orabi's
nationalist uprising of 1882.

With several subsequent nationalist movements coming into force 'Egypt
for the Egyptians' became the rallying cry. The new rationale was that
the prime minister should belong to the majority faith. In a way, the
fate of Boutros Ghali was pre-ordained even before he was assassinated
on February 20, 1910 by Ibrahim Nassif al-Wardani (1885-1910), a young
pharmacologist graduate freshly returned from the UK. The cries heard in
the street following this sinister event sums up the general mood:
"al-Wardani atal Boutros al Nosrani". The
reference to al-Nosrani or 'the Christian' had more to do with the late
pasha's pro-British leanings than his being a Copt. Nevertheless, the
imposition of a Coptic prime minister had had an ill-boding and adverse
effect on the predominantly Moslem nation whose educated elite was
clamoring for an independent Egypt. It was all right that the country
had thrice been handled by
a Christian Armenian prime minister - Nubar Nubarian - in the previous
decades but things had drastically changed since.

The ill-fated first Boutros Ghali came from Upper Egypt where he had
received a Western education at the American Mission in Assiut. Later,
in his public life, Ghali sided with the pro-English elements of
Egyptian society. Having served for so long under the Moslem Prime
Minister Moustafa Fahmy Pasha, the man the British considered "too
English, not sufficiently Egyptian" the stigma had rubbed off on his
Coptic collaborator. The partiality of Boutros Ghali
Pasha for Egypt's British rulers and his disposition to please them was
best brought out during the June 1906 Dinshway Trial. As co-presiding
judge at the mock-tribunal which sentenced four Egyptians to the gallows
for having beaten up British officers who had accidentally shot the wife
of a village elder while pigeon-shooting, Ghali had in effect sealed his
own death warrant. Also taken against him by the nationalists was his
close identification with the Anglo-Egyptian Condominium Agreement with
the Sudan in 1899 and his recent endorsement of a 40 year concession
renewal of the Suez Canal. The end result was his assassination in 1910.

After WW1 nationalist agitation was ready to explode. The leading Wafd
Party, which was the declared enemy of religious fanaticism, was formed
from amongst the leading Coptic and Moslem notables of the country.
Several Ghalis of the second generation, which, unlike the first, had
become ever so francophile, became pillars of the new anti-British
party. Most famous amongst the Wafdist leaders was Wassif Ghali Pasha
(son of the first Boutros and uncle of the
second). He held the foreign affairs portfolio in the Wafd governments
of 1924, 1928, 1930 and 1937. It was in his stately Arabesque house on
the Nile's riverside in Giza, that some of the Wafd's historic meetings
took place. And it is there that the new Wafd leader, Mustafa al-Nahas
Pasha, was upheld by the party elders following the death of Saad
Zaghloul Pasha, Egypt's canonized and popular leader of the 1920s.

Boutros GHALI THE SECOND

Four decades would pass before another Ghali reached the helm of the
Egyptian Foreign Office. But it was more due to the sudden turn of
events than due to seniority or the like which led Dr. Boutros Ghali,
the grandson of his namesake to follow in his uncle's and grandfather's
footepts when he walked into the ministry of foreign affairs on November
17, 1977. Egypt's chief of diplomacy, Ismail Fahmy, had just resigned in
protest of Sadat's Jerusalem initiative.
Within hours, Fahmy was joined in his self-imposed political exile by
his faithful No.2 the then-secretary of state for foreign affairs,
Mohammed Mahmoud Riad. The two first slots at foreign affairs were
unexpectedly vacant. Ghali was designated for the No.2 opening.

Since these were no longer the days of the Wafd but rather a continuum
of the military-led regime that came to power in 1952, the No.1 slot at
foreign affairs could no longer be allocated to a Copt, especially now
that Egypt was heeded as the leader of the Arab and Islamic Worlds.
Hence, on December 25, 1977, the position of minister for foreign
affairs was given to Ibrahim Kamel, a Sadat crony from the old days.
When Kamel resigned in September 1978 in the
middle of the protracted Camp David Negotiations, the No.1 position
remained vacant until February 17, 1979, when the portfolio was given by
presidential decree to the then-prime minister, Dr. Moustafa Khalil. Dr.
Ghali would continue to serve under Khalil and his three successors:
General Kamal Hassan Ali from 1980-84; Dr. Esmat Abdel Meguid from 1984
until he moved to the Arab League in March 1991; and Amr Moussa who was
several years Ghali's junior in both years and practice. With the
arrival of the capable young senior minister, the
days of Dr. Ghali at foreign affairs were numbered. Efforts for his
obtaining the UN's chief position went into full gear.

IL FAUT PLAIRE AUX SOUVERAINS

It was as minister without portfolio that Boutros Ghali willingly
accompanied Anwar Sadat on the latter's historic trip to Jerusalem.
Jerusalem was special to Dr. Ghali not only because it was the disputed
capital of Israel and Palestine and as such one of the most talked about
ancient holy cities, or, because it had amongst its religious
institutions an important Coptic presence, but it
was also the city of birth of his commiserating mother-in-law, Pauline
Sipora Rachel Goldenbaum.

In March 1923, at the young age of 17, Pauline had wed in Alexandria
Chaim Maurice Hirsch-Nadler who would become the city's leading candy
manufacturer. Whereas the Nadlers were Jews from Romanian who emigrated
to Egypt early this century, Mordechai Pinhas, Mrs. Boutros Ghali's
maternal grandfather was born in Safed, Palestine in 1881.

After partaking in Sadat's cabal to Jerusalem, Dr. Ghali would gradually
make it to the forefront of the national and international political
scene. Forever cautious, he stuck to his favorite maxim "il faut plaire
aux souverains". In English, 'one must - occasionally - stoop to
conquer.' (Could this have been an inherited trait from his
grandfather?). In this respect, I distinctly remember how, the few time
he showed up at during my first year in college, Dr. Ghali's
lectures on political systems hardly ever touched upon Egypt's. The
learned professor of international law went to great pains never to take
sides or criticize the regime even though in those days everyone seemed
to be doing little else, especially after Egypt's humiliating June 1967
military defeat. University professors - including the communists, the
Nasserists and the
socialist - were coming out, openly criticizing or defending the regime
citing example after example, from benevolent dictatorships to
demagoguery, or, alternately, singing the praise of the anti-American
stands of Guevara, Castro and Ho Chi Min. These were the days of Vietnam
and the Cold War.

That same year, college campuses erupted all over Cairo as thousands of
demonstrating students marched angrily to the rubber stamp parliament
near Lazoghly Square. While arousing debates took place under the
parliamentary rotunda, in the university's lecture hall Dr. Ghali stuck
firmly to his academic notes never uttering anything that could be taken
against him, now or at some invisible point in the future. "Peter
Precious" had become "Peter Cautious".

Even then, his il faut plaire aux souverains disposition was palpable.
Was this due to some minority complex(?), we would occasionally ask
ourselves. Either out of ignorance or simply because we were in our
Freshman year, we totally ignored the fact that we were the privileged
observers of a modern adaptation to Talleyranism. Talleyrand, being the
great French diplomat - and self-perceived womanizer - who had so
adroitly maneuvered his way through the turbulent Directoire, Napoleonic
and Bourbon years that followed the sanguinary French
Revolution... whereby the sagacious diplomat always came back on top.

When he made it to the top position at the UN, Ghali became a household
word and a prime time news denizen. This is not to say that he was
heretofore an unknown somebody. Quite the contrary. Ghali was a popular
figure in the African continent as well as the countries of the
Francophony. His frequent-flying habits had taken him to the darkest
corners of Africa, always by way of Paris. Paradoxically, when you
checked some of the lesser pre-1992 "Who's Who"
editions there are no entries for Boutros Ghali. Was it because these
reference books could not fit in all the members of the world's
governments, from Ulan Bator to Bogota? Or was it because up to 1992
Ghali was heeded as 'just another Third World senior public servant?
Someone close to the Sec-Gen has another theory. To get some of those
editions you either have to be a big international celebrity or
alternately, you had to fill in the self-addressed enclosed form and
return it with a check. And, according to the same source, the affluent
Sec-Gen has a very strong dislike for writing personal checks, whatever
the amount.

Today, Dr. Ghali is facing trying times. Having come to the UN on a
squeaky straw vote and on the back of the late President Miterrand's
unflinching lobbying, the plaire aux souverains maxim has run out on
him. Somehow, Ghali failed to endear himself to Mademoiselle Albright, a
post Cold War sovereign in her own right. Neither has he scored too high
with her bosses in Washington. Yet, one would think that this
intelligent, multi-lingual, professional,
academic-diplomat who, as an African-Arab-Christian-secular husband of
the granddaughter of Ostjuden rabbis from Eastern Europe and Palestine,
has all the qualifications necessary for the job of Sec-Gen of the
United Nations, particularly where it counts most: philosematic
Washington. What, then, went wrong?!

Based on precedent votings we know that nothing is ever final when it
comes to choosing a new UN chief. The last word on who will be the next
Sec-Gen has yet to be heard. And with the Ghalis' propensity to make
spectacular comebacks à la Prince de Talleyrand, for all we know, the
next Sec-Gen could be... Boutros 'Boutros-Ghali'.

Samir Raafat, Egyptian Gazette
19 September 1996

Barry S. Marjanovich

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Foreign Affairs, May/June 1996:

The Mark of Bosnia
-------------------
Boutros-Ghali's Reign of Indifference

by FOUAD AJAMI/Majid Khadduri Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the
Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The John Hopkins
University.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I wondered if the train I was on was that of the United Nations or the
League of Nations," said Tadeusz Mazowiecki, a former prime minister of
Poland, when he resigned in protest in 1995 from his assignment as the
U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the former Yugoslavia. "I want
to make the leaders of the United Nations think," declared the decent man
who walked away from the spin and the complacency and evasions of the
United Nations' Bosnia policy. Boutros Boutros-Ghali's essay proves that
the world body and its leader have yet to face up to what they have
wrought in Bosnia ("Global Leadership After the Cold War," March/April
1996).

Readers of Boutros-Ghali's piece will, of course, have understood its
purpose. It is the clearest statement yet of his bid for a second term as
secretary-general, the rationale for his quiet but relentless campaign,
which has been in the works for some time. (The secretary-general, born in
1922, had said that because of his age, one term would suffice, but that
was the promise of his first term.) As a campaign statement, his piece is
remarkably trasparent, even embarrassingly honest. Begone the restraints
of the faceless international civil service, and begone those acronyms of
international organizations. The pronoun "I" appears 24 times in the
essay. All is well in the realm. The books have been balanced, the
organization "streamlined" and "rationalized." The international
conferences held during his tenure have been "new and different"; they
have been "cumulative"; they have been "linked." U.N. peacekeeping has
been exemplary. Boutros-Ghali has endured slings and arrows and has at
times suffered as the scapegoat for the failures of member states, but he
has labored on for the causes of an international civil service and an
independent secretary-general.

One will look in vain for a single reference to Bosnia. (There is a
passing reference to war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda.)
Bosnia was never permitted to break into last year's celebration of the
50th anniversary of the United Nations and all the self-congratulations
that went with it. And Bosnia is not to break into Boutros Boutros-Ghali's
narrative of his years at the world organization's helm.

AN INCONVENIENT TRAGEDY

The truth of the United Nations' role in Bosnia cannot be wished away.
Bosnia clings to this secretary-general. Read between the lines in his
piece, and Bosnia rises like an apparition: "Lives lost in one place seem
to matter more than lives lost in another. War in one country may get
enormous attention, while war elswhere may be virtually ignored.
Violations of the rights of one people arouse far more concern than
violations of the rights of another." All along, the Bosnians and their
cause were a great irritation to this secretary-general. The Bosnians
refused to do him the favor of a quiet surrender. Grant Boutros-Ghali the
virtue of consistency: from the time he dismissed Bosnia as a "rich
people's war," compared with the "orphan conflicts" he cares so much
about, he showed the Bosnians a steady measure of indifference. They stood
in the way of his stewardship of the world body, of the new, exalted
language he begun to peddle about a world outgrowing the nation-state and
the rules of the Westphalian system.

The secretary-general uttered more revealing words in his memorable visit
to Sarajevo on December 31, 1992. This time no handlers or blue books were
present to extol the virtues of his leadership, to sanitize his words and
sentiments. "You have a situation which is better than ten other places
all over the world. I can give you a list of ten places where you have
more problems than in Sarajevo," the secretary-general told the people of
the besieged city. The wrath and the outrage with which he was greeted on
the streets of Sarajevo ought to have shaken his complacency. But while
the horrors of Srebrenica continued unabated, the secretary-general
pressed on with a scheduled visit to Africa. Astonishing the reporters
with him who thought the ordeal of that U.N. "safe haven" was a more
pressing concern, he said Srebrenica was but a "village in Europe." The
secretary-general has a broader mandate; other causes and other burning
grounds lay claim to his attention, particularly the orphan conflicts that
are his special domain. The Africa tour was a campaign swing, the misery
of Africa held up as a counter to the Balkans' horrors.

The moral indifference and callousness of the secretary-general was
contagious. He passed it down the line to his representatives on the
scene, to the commanders of his peacekeeping forces. That complacency was
the signature of Yasushi Akashi, his special representative to the former
Yugoslavia until October 1995, who baffled even the most jaded observers
with his reluctance to give name to the horrors around him, to draw
distinctions between the aggressors and their victims. And this same
obtuseness shaped the discourse of U.N. commanders Major General Lewis W.
Mackenzie adn Lieutenant General Sir Michael Rose. These two men, in
particular, did all they could to foster the view that the Bosnian
cinflict was an ethnic brawl among three equally dreaded parties. For
MacKenzie, the Serbs, the Croats and the Bosnians were "three serial
killers," distinguished only by the number of murders each had committed.
For Rose, the Bosnian Muslims were tricksters who shelled their own
people, cowards trying to get the United Nations to fight their fight.
These men and their legacies are part of what the secretary-general did
and sanctioned in Bosnia.

WITHOUT A COMPASS

Bourtos-Ghali's and the United Nations' record in Bosnia was given a
devastating assessment by David Rieff in The New Republic (February 12,
1996). There, with great clarity, is an autopsy of what was done and what
was dodged in Bosnia. Boutros-Ghali provided cover for the great powers
and their abdication of responsibility. He railed against them- the
French, the British, the Americans - when he felt that they had been
unfair to him, that he had been left twisting in the wind, that he had
been provided with insufficient muscle to fulfill his mandate. Everyone
knows that the United Nations commands no military divisions. But in
Bosnia this secretary-general forfeited the organization's principle
asset: its moral standing to speak out on the great issues of the day.
Boutros-Ghali never could find his compass in Bosnia, and his failure went
hand in hand with pretensions about the dawn of a new age for the United
Nations. Leadership in the aftermath of the Cold War indeed.

The secretary-general's words take one's breath away: "I am like a doctor.
I diagnose the patient and make certain recommendations for his cure. But
if he does not follow my advice, it is hardly my fault." Could we afford
five more years of the same doctor and the same cure?

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ish...@eosinc.com

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Zdravko Barbarich

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Q : How does one call a kitchenette on a boat of the UN Secretary
General that is about to loose his job?


A: Boutros Boutros Ghali Galley


Said Samir

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Hay Sherif,
How come u say so about B. Ghali I mean concernning the
peace treaty with Egypt! don't u know that those who think that
bad of Ghali r the same ones who r againist any peace process
with Israel. They live for the day that trees will tell about
jews hiding behind so Moslims can come and kill them (Hadeeth) If
Ghali was a moslim they would have found execuses for all his
doings. I know about other Moslims who r causing much harm to
Islam. We (Arabs) well realy start to devolop when we realize
that we are week lazy and full of corruption and greeds when we
forget about our past glory and start working hard and clean and
fight corruption every where around us in politics, economy and
even in our social activities. If this day comes we well deserve
our history of glory and civilization.

Execuse my English as I learned it in public schools

With Luv to all

Saido Samiro
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> Come on Sherif you must be joking. The first thing B.B.G did
> after being appointing as a secretry general was his great
> interpretation of the 242 resolution in which he agreed with
> Israelis understanding. On that he got a lot of bashing in the
> Arab media. Then his Somalia fiasco, and then his Bosnia
> genocide blessing. As for those who do not know the "noble"
> history of the family, i would like to remind you with the
> history of his grandfather. His grandfather was a judge under
> British occupation of Egypt. He convicted innocent villagers
> with a false charchged brought against them after a British soldier
> died from sun heat. The group were accused falsley of beating
> the man to death. After Ghali senior(who was residing over the
> case) convicted them, they were hanged in front of every one
> in the village. Treason runs in the blood of his family. Though
> as a puppet he can do no good, he can do a lot of harm by hampering
> any good that might come in addition to making any bad to become
> worse.
>
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>
>
>

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Al Aab - CNED/W94

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.960926021341....@ritsec1.com.eg>
Distribution:

in 1882, when britain, after a previous failing attempt, at last conquered
egypt
britain introduced democracy
britain established a parliament, a cabinet of ministers, anglicesed
egyptian schools.

britain appointed
the first "egyptian" prime minister, a christian anti-egyptian from armenia,
nobar pasha.

next, britain appointed another christian prime minister, botros ghali.
he was more compliant than the armenian.

ghali hanged many muslim fellaHeen for the alleged death of 1 british
troop.
(
mostafa kamal pasha, the daring outspoken elegant egyptian lawyer
made his reputation and leadership
publicizing that masacre, in europe. leading to the downfall of his
execellency the mighty high envoy, lord evelyne kromer
the bo@bo@ of egypt
)

as if that was not kissing-up enuf
ghali tried to give brtain/france controlled compagnie canal de suez
another 99year lease.

a young muslim egyptian nationalist shot ghali dead.

the latter-day ghali, secretary of U.N.
does not forget his dear assassinated granpa.

Pharaoh Chromium 93

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Mercyful

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aa...@acs.ryerson.ca (Al Aab - CNED/W94) wrote:


>a young muslim egyptian nationalist shot ghali dead.

You're wrong! It was a young Christian Egyptian nationalist who shot
ghali dead. His name is 3ryanne... just for your information!

Khaled


Mostafa Kassem

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ish...@eosinc.com wrote:
[Original post deleted for brevity]

> Samir Raafat, Egyptian Gazette
> 19 September 1996

Samir:

That was a very informative post. We need more, more.

Regards.

Mostafa

Y Rapido

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Mostafa Kassem wrote:
>
> ish...@eosinc.com wrote:
> [Original post deleted for brevity]
>
> > Samir Raafat, Egyptian Gazette
> > 19 September 1996
>
> Samir:
>
> That was a very informative post. We need more, more.
>
> Regards.
>
> Mostafa


Since some Arabs are forever going to lick the boots of their colonial masters,
here is the truth about Boutros Boutros Ghali from the Bosnian and American side:

Key words: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Boutros Boutros Ghali/UN/atrocities/Socialist International/conflicts in
interest/negligence/Incompetence/genocide/Gross Misconduct

July 7, 1996.

We the undersigned members of major Universities throughout the United States and Canadian provinces, of sound mind and intelligence, bound
by no prejudice nor inequity are hereby requesting the removal of UN Secretary General Boutros Ghali on grounds of severe conflicts in
interest, corruption and incompetence only too clearly affirmed, locally & internationally on all levels public & private.

The only legitimate means for land clearance; "A rich man's war."


The very presentation of the UN has been purposely amateur + fully staged to the extent of even overtly violating it's very own charters.
Charter after charter; resolution after resolution, intentionally overridden to make way......for what Ghali chooses to call: "a rich man's
war." Now, what kind of 'humanitarian' orgnanization violates it's own charters ? Article 51; Resolution 110/II, adopted unanimously by the
UN General Assembly on Nov. 8 1947; ECOSOC Pact ratified on Civil and Political Rights Prohibition of any propaganda in support of war and
any preaching of nationalistic, racial, or religious hatred which promote discrimination, hostile acts, and violence. UN Yearbook, 1947/48,
pp.83-89, 133-135, 588-595.


II-

Charges against the Ghali led UN Administration are numerous, justified and as follows:

(-/-; negative represented as negative)

1-Failure to lead effectively, adequately, efficiently, appropriately and if at all representationally

2-Serving a contrary role: making war more profitable than peace

3-Serving a contrary role: Causing a significant disturbance in the international community by arrogant and thoughtless adherence to unjust
+ inferior policies, incompetent resolutions, inappropriate and counterproductive measures that angered the international islamic communities

into expressed outrage, verbal and planned physical defiance of a genocidal arms embargo.


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Group Petition/ Meeting with local Mayor in support/ Forward Relay to Mayor endorsed Congressional Subpoenas/ + 1:100:1:1:1000,000 >

-1:-1000:-1000,000/ Destruction of Parasitism in promotion of Mutualism via established energy dynamics already present and more than the
able

We would like to reaffirm the requirement for the UN to change it's name to more accurate a representation. A representation more in accord
with it's behavior. Since the 'UN' does not represent the interests of all nations abroad with equality in power of influence, the "United
Nations" label needs be changed to more appropriate and accurate a label, with a mission statement attesting to it's legal course and means
for the promotion of international motions, policies, and measures. OPEC doesn't call it's self the UN, and neither should the five in the
drivers seat of a label that does not ring true to it's representation. Power has always been for the use or abuse. The 'United Nations'
label is clearly maliciously false and a vagrant misrepresentation of reality. This is abuse and misuse of a label intent on deception of
it's very representatives, the global civilian populace. The 'United Nations' label is false and misleading, therefore it must be removed
through a legal call for it's removal. It simply does not represent what it claims to. But is malicious in it's interests to abuse power
by giving the false and fabricated impression of a larger interest and influence than it actually centrally-privately-corruptly holds.


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Because of Solid Reason in reflecting upon intercepted/ altered messages, this needs be delivered and compared physically against a Hard Copy
for assurance in it's inherent integrity !
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Pharaoh Chromium 93

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The luminous philosophy of ancient Egypt--luminous because
it is made translucent with the light of nature-types of
spiritual truth--tells us that the soul is a unit seed of
God’s mind, conceived in heaven, but given birth on earth.
Certainly this must be the truth, since the conception is
by the Father who is spirit, and the birth is from the Mother,
who is matter. Says the dramatic character of the soul in the
Orphic ritual: "I am a child of earth and the starry skies;
but my race is of heaven alone." As the Emerald Tablet of
Hermes phrases it,

"the Sun is the father, the Moon -- or earth -- is its mother,
the Wind carries it in its belly, its nurse is the Earth. This
is the father of all perfection, or consummation of the whole
world. Its power is integrating; if it be turned into earth.
It ascends from earth to heaven and descends again to earth,
and receives the power of the superiors and the inferiors. So
thou hast the glory of the whole world. This is the strong
force of all forces, overcoming every subtle and penetrating
every solid thing. So the world was created. Hence were all
wonderful adaptations, of which this is the manner."

And three especially of the ten statements of "the truth
about the self" laid down by Hermes are too magnificent to
be omitted from quotation:

"Filled with understanding of its perfect law, I am guided
moment by moment along the path of liberation.

"In all things great and small I see the beauty of the
divine expression.

"The kingdom of spirit is embodied in my flesh."

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