Helen Thomas: Go home to Europe, Jews
DoD
under the rug, or somehow explained away as
some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
or twice whilst among colleagues.
The rest..................
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-jews/
David
sheldonlg
I think 89 years is more that enough.
--
Shelly
Amitai
I had never heard of Helen Thomas, or if I ever did she slipped my
memory completely. Therefore, I looked her up in Wiki and the first
thing i saw was:
"Thomas was born in Winchester, Kentucky. Her parents, Mary (née
Rowady) and George Thomas, were Lebanese immigrants from Tripoli,
Lebanon;[2][3][4] her father's surname had originally been "Antonious".
[5]"
Under the circumstances, her sympathy with Hezbollah is not
surprising. I am sure President Obama has been made aware of her
origins and takes her anti-Israel diatribes with a sufficient number
of grains of salt, despite the superfical respect that she is given
for her longevity and her seniority in the Press Corps.
Amitai
>
> David
Jay J
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment...
Not ignored by Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/ari-fleischer-fire-helen-thomas_n_601565.html
Also not ignored by the Daily Kos, that bastion of right-wing
journalism:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/4/872974/-Helen-Thomas:Jews-get-out-of-Palestine
Nor by Real Clear Politics:
Nor by Ynet, another not exactly right-wing publication:
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3899361,00.html
...and all this on a weekend, when most publications do not update
their sites very often.
Your "I stand corrected" apology to the left-of-center press will be
graciously accepted, should you have the intellectual honesty to offer
one.
Jay
Amitai
>
> > David
>
> I think 89 years is more that enough.
>
Helen Thomas has been a reporter for 67 years and White House
correspondent for 50. Both are certainly more than enough. She has
been alive for 89 years; I would hesitate to decide for someone else -
even someone that I dislike intensely - that it is more than enough.
Amitai
> --
> Shelly- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fattush
>
> David
Great op ed piece about Ms. Thomas and her comments.
Check out the comments . . . . entertaining.
maxine in ri
>
> David
She is Lebanese descent, so is it surprising that she would take the
Arab POV?
Abe Kohen
"Jay J" <levi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b54ddcb5-1450-4f76...@a20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment...
Not ignored by Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/ari-fleischer-fire-helen-thomas_n_601565.html
Also not ignored by the Daily Kos, that bastion of right-wing
journalism:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/4/872974/-Helen-Thomas:Jews-get-out-of-Palestine
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, and then see the venomous anti-Semitic comments left by the readers of
the Puffy Post and the Daily Koos.
Shavua Tov,
Abe
Giorgies E Kepipesiom
All this is very strange to me. Among my very early memories as a
young boy in (what was then) Rhodesia, was being told "Jew! Go back to
PALESTINE". They might have said than in Rumania too, but I was too
young then to remember it now.
GEK
whishing Helen Thomas to go back to shere her family came from. Or
better still, to proceed in a southerly direction to where it is warm
all the time, and where the air is filled with the fragrance of
broiling turds.
Fattush
>
> David
So I guess here is another example of someone on the left who dislikes
Israel.
Fattush
>
> David
From the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=177561
Abe Kohen
"Giorgies E Kepipesiom" <kepip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:23d05996-00cf-47cd...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> The
> rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
All this is very strange to me. Among my very early memories as a
young boy in (what was then) Rhodesia, was being told "Jew! Go back to
PALESTINE". They might have said than in Rumania too, but I was too
young then to remember it now.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They said that in Hungary too, according to my mom. Her thoughts and wishes
were always "when can I?" She would have been delighted to make Aliya before
1944.
Shavua Tov,
Abe
mm
wrote:
And I guess John H. Sununu is another example of someone on the right
who dislikes Israel. I'd forgotten about him, but two of his
grandparents are from Lebanon too. And he was the first George Bushs
Chief of Staff.
--
Meir
"The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
Susan S
<danski...@gmail.com>:
What has this got to do with the left? More likely it is because her
family is from Lebanon.
Susan Silberstein
Fattush
They should make a new movie called "Helen Thomas Press Corp.
Zombie."
http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2010/06/06/ari-fleischer-re-helen-thomas-fire-her/
See the photo toward the bottom. Great movie poster.
Fattush
Another blog on Helen "The Zombie" Thomas:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122
mm
Comparitively, yes. Actually I would say unconditionally, yes, it is
surprising because this is the first example I've heard of a
Lebanese-American being hostile to Israel or Jews. They've been here
starting over 100 years and I've never heard of trouble related to
one, until this case. (Well, I see below that there was *one* but I
forgot it.)
For the most part, they are assimilated. And just as we despise it
when Jews show no interest in Israel or Jews elsewhere, a lot of
immigrants don't give a darn about where their grandparents came from.
That doesn't mean some don't feel that way and keep their opiniions to
themselves, but Lebanese Americans are different in a couple ways.
The vast majority are Xian (and they may well have their own
antagonisms with Moslem Arabs; including Moslem Lebanese. Do you
remember the war between Xians and Moslems in Lebanon. I'm sure that
wasn't the first trouble they had))
And in most cases their parents or grandparents came here, and in
quite a few cases, their ancestors lived in some other country between
Lebanon and the US.
(All from wikip:)
(Similarly, there are 6 or 7 million Lebanese Brazilians, more than
the population of Lebanon. Immigratio nstarted in the late 195h
century, and most are Xians with a small number of Jews. Moslems
started to come after the 1970s.)
I hesitate to do this but here's a list of famous people who are
partly or entirely Lebanaese-Americans, according to the folks at
wikip. Have any others been noted for doing anything anti-Israel or
anti-Jew?
I've checked the names I know (and some of the ones I don't) and found
only one reference*** to Jew or Jewish or Israel in their wiki
articles (I know that doesn't mean much) except for one who had a
so-called combo Catholic-Jewish marriage. Ugh, but not the sign of an
antisemite.
***That's John H. Sununu, and the reference was negative. See below.
Artists
* John Maloof - photographer
* Sam Maloof - woodworker[1]
[edit] Beauty queens
* Rima Fakih - Miss USA 2010 [Born in '85, Shia Muslim**]
[edit] Fashion designers
* Joseph Abboud - fashion designer
[edit] Film, television and radio personalities
* Jenna Dewan - actress
* Shannon Elizabeth - actress
* Lili Estefan - Cuban-American television personality, niece of
Emilio Estefan
* Jamie Farr - actor (sitcom M*A*S*H)
* Khrystyne Haje - actress, (sitcom Head of the Class)
* Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf - radio and television personality
* Salma Hayek - Mexican-American actress[2]
* Casey Kasem - radio personality American Top 40 franchise and
voiceover actor (cartoon series "Scooby Doo", "Transformers")[3]
* Kerri Kasem - radio and television host (daughter of Casey
Kasem)
* Mario Kassar - filmmaker, founder of Carolco Pictures
* Catherine Keener - actress[4]
* Callie Khouri - Oscar-winning screenwriter[5]
* Frank Lackteen - actor
* John Leguizamo - actor (maternal grandfather was Lebanese)
[married a Jew]
* Peter Macdissi - film and television actor
* Wentworth Miller - actor
* George Nader - actor, uncle of Michael Nader
* Michael Nader - actor, All My Children[5]
* Kathy Najimy - actress
* George Noory - radio host, (radio program Coast To Coast AM)
* Michael Nouri - actor, film Flashdance[5][6]
* Zoe Saldana - Dominican-American actress[7]
* Elie Samaha - film producer
* Tom Shadyac - film director[5]
* Tony Shalhoub - actor, (sitcom Monk).[8]
* Haaz Sleiman - actor (series Nurse Jackie; film The Visitor)
* Danny Thomas - actor
* Marlo Thomas - actress
* Vince Vaughn - actor (Lebanese grandfather)[9]
* Amy Yasbeck - actress [10]
[edit] Musicians
* Paul Anka - singer and composer
* Jack Barakat - guitarist of the American band All Time Low
* Dick Dale - rock guitarist
* John Dolmayan – Lebanese-American of Armenian descent, drummer
in System of a Down
* Emilio Estefan - Cuban-American musician and producer; husband
of Gloria Estefan[11]
* Sammy Hagar - rock musician
* Paul Jabara - composer[5]
* Soraya - Colombian-American singer[12]
* Serj Tankian – Lebanese-American of Armenian descent, lead
singer in System of a Down
* Shakira - Colombian of Lebanese descent, singer-songwriter
* Tiffany - singer[5]
* Tiny Tim - folk singer[5]
[edit] Business
* Malouf Abraham, Jr. - businessman
* Clifford Antone - founder of Antone's blues club in Austin,
Texas
* Charles Elachi - Director of Jet Propulsion Laboratory
* Frédéric Fekkai - French-American hairdresser and founder of
Frédéric Fekkai salons and hair products[13]
* Ray Irani - CEO or Oxidental Petroleum
* Paul Orfalea - founder of Kinko's[14]
* Madeleine A. Pickens - businesswoman
[edit] Education
* Robert Khayat - Chancellor of the University of Mississippi
[edit] History
* Philip Khuri Hitti - historian of Arab culture and history[15]
[edit] Journalism
* Tamsen Fadal - television journalist
* Brigitte Gabriel - journalist
* Helen Thomas - notable journalist who has covered U.S. President
since 1961
[edit] Law
* Joseph Maron Hanna - attorney and philantropist
[edit] Military
* John Abizaid - retired General in the United States Army.[16]
* James Jabara - Korean War pilot
* George Joulwan - retired U.S. Army General
[edit] Politics
[edit] Activists
* Candy Lightner - activist and founder of Mothers Against Drunk
Drivers
* James Zogby - founder of Arab-American Institute[17]
* John Zogby - pollster founder of Zogby International
[edit] Politicians
* James Abdnor - former U.S. politician[18]
* James Abourezk - former U.S. senator
* Malouf Abraham, Sr. - politician and businessman
* Spencer Abraham - former U.S. politician
* John Baldacci - present Governor of the State of Maine
* Charles Boustany - U.S. Congressman from Louisiana
* Chris Greeley - Maine state representative
* Philip Habib - former U.S. Ambassador and envoy
* Darrell Issa - U.S. Congressman
* Chris John - former U.S. politician
* Abraham Kazen, Jr. - former U.S. politician
* Ray LaHood - United States Transportation Secretary
* Manuel Maloof - former U.S. government official and businessman
* George J. Mitchell - U.S. Congressman
* Toby Moffett - former U.S. politician[19]
* Ralph Nader - political activist and former U.S. presidential
candidate (Green Party)
* Mary Rose Oakar - former U.S. politician[20]
* Jeanine Pirro - politician, judge and television host
* Nick Rahall - U.S. Congressman
* Edmund Reggie - judge and politician
* Selwa Roosevelt - former U.S. government official
* Donna Shalala - former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human
Services
* John E. Sununu - politician the son of the one below.
* John H. Sununu - former White House Chief of Staff; former
Governor of New Hampshire ****This is a trouble maker "Sununu angered
some when he was the only governor of a U.S. state not to call for
repeal of the extremely controversial UN General Assembly Resolution
3379 ("Zionism is Racism"). He later reversed his position on this
issue and supported the Republicans' pro-Israel 1988 platform.[6]" We
know how much his reversal is worth. BTW, he's a Republican, and he
was White House Chief of Staff under Bush the father, who I guess
didn't mind his past. Did Republican Jews complain about Bush
appointing an Arab as CofStaff? Nonetheless, he's Lebanese and he's
bad, but I had forgotten him, so there is one precursor to Helen
Thomas that I forgot.
[edit] Other personalities
* Adele Khoury Graham - educator and former first lady of the
State of Florida
* Victoria Reggie Kennedy - attorney and widow of U.S. Senator
Edward Kennedy; sister-in-law of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy
[edit] Sciences
* Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah - Lebanese-American technology
innovator[21][22]
* Elias Corey - 1990 Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry[23]
* Michael Debakey - doctor and heart surgeon
* Charles Elachi - Director of NASA Jet Propulsion Labs
* Christa McAuliffe - secondary school teacher and first American
civilian selected to be an astronaut; perished in the Space Shuttle
Challenger disaster. Great niece of historian Philip Khuri Hitti[15]
[edit] Sports
[edit] Athletes
* David Azzi - professional American football player
* Terry Brunk - (aka "Sabu") professional wrestler
* Doug Flutie - former professional American football player [24]
* Matt Freije - ex-NBA player and member of Lebanon national
basketball team
* Ryan Kalil - professional American football player
* Joe Lahoud - baseball player
* Bobby Rahal - professional car racer
* Rony Seikaly - former professional basketball player in the NBA
and for both the USA and Lebanon's national basketball team
* Joe Vogel - professional basketball player and member of
Lebanon's national basketball team
* Jackson Vroman - former professional basketball player and
member of Lebanon's national basketball team
[edit] Playing card tournament titleholders
* Kassem 'Freddy' Deeb - two-time WSOP-bracelet winner
* Ihsan 'Sammy' Farha - two-time WSOP-bracelet winner
* Joseph Hachem - professional playing card player and champion
[edit] Entrepreneurs
* George J. Maloof, Jr. - businessman and owner of the Sacramento
Monarchs and the Sacramento Kings
* George J. Maloof, Sr. - businessman and former owner of the
Houston Rockets
[edit] Writers
* William Peter Blatty - writer/screenwriter
* Khalil Gibran - artist, author, philosopher, theologian.[25]
* Mikha'il Na'ima - author and poet
* Amin al-Rihani - author
**"Many Arab Americans celebrated Fakih's victory,[7] but some
Muslims felt she did not properly represent their religion. Muslim
scholar Ghazal Omid wrote "To say that she is a Muslim is inaccurate.
No Muslim woman can call herself a ... Muslim and be on stage with her
bikini".[20] Responding to the issue in interviews, Fakih said she
and her family are Muslims and respect the religion, but they may not
be as strict as many people and do not define themselves by their
religion; they view themselves as more "spiritual" than "religious"
and appreciate all religions." I think she was pro-abortion-choice
too.
topaz
My next question for Ms Thomas of course would be "what religion were
her parents?" Not everyone from Lebanon hates Israel and the Jews.
Great example....Brigette Gabriel, her first book was called "Because
They Hate" and was her warning the free world regarding Islamic
fundamentalism. I say lets have Brigette Gabriel and Ms Thomas have
an open debate about who the real "bad guys " are regarding Lebanon.
Ms Gabriel would wipe the floor with Ms Thomas. Ms Gabriel is now in
the USA and has to travel with a canine bomb sniffing unit and
security so she can exercise her freedom of speech on college
campuses. To me, Brigette Gabriel is a woman of valor!! She also has
a web site I think it is called www.theamericancongressfortruth.org.
I may be off a little bit on that website name but I know I am close.
topaz
>
> David
Thanks for posting this. Years ago Mel Gibson's father was
interviewed on the radio and I heard the interview with my own ears.
He clearly did not believe that the Holocost ever occurred. He was
asked by the reporter or interviewer, "what do you think happened to
all the Jews in Germany and Europe during that time?" and he clearly
stated (and I am not making this up) "The Jews were not killed they
all just moved to the Bronx". I think if Mr Gibson Senior is still
around, he and this woman reporter should just get married already.
topaz
> They should make a new movie called "Helen Thomas Press Corp.
> Zombie."
>
>
> See the photo toward the bottom. Great movie poster.
Here is the website I mentioned to some one else earlier, by Brigette
Gabriel
http://americancongressfortruth.com/
I was off a little bit in the name of the website, there is no word
"the".
Here is a link to her first book http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/books
Here is the bio on Ms Gabriel, and yes she is from Lebanon
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/files/Brigitte_Gabriel_bio_latest.pdf
topaz
For those who are interested here is a video from youtube of an
interview of Brigette Gabriel, she is a Lebanese Christian who has
moved to the USA and I think this is one of a multipart interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOYdXCkbBc
She used to be a television journalist in Israel as well and is very
Pro Israel and Pro America. I say let's have Helen Thomas and Ms
Gabriel get into a debate and see who wins.
sheldonlg
> On Jun 5, 8:52 pm, maxine in ri<weed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD<danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
>>> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>>
>>> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
>>> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
>>> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
>>> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
>>> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
>>> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>>
>>> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>>
>>> David
>>
>> She is Lebanese descent, so is it surprising that she would take the
>> Arab POV?
>
> My next question for Ms Thomas of course would be "what religion were
> her parents?" Not everyone from Lebanon hates Israel and the Jews.
One of my closest friends here has parents who came from Lebanon.
--
Shelly
Jay J
>
> > [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> > under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> > some innocent comment...
Much to your probable chagrin, this was not quite swept under the rug.
Lanny Davis (a Clinton leftist) and Newsweek's Joe Klein (another
leftist) have now condemned her remarks, and there may be WH press
room repercussions.
And she's been dropped by her speaking agency:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/06/helen-thomas-dropped-by-agency_n_602225.html
Jay
DoD
> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> > under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> > some innocent comment...
>
> Not ignored by Huffington Post:
>
This was somewhat balanced but the comments were atrocious..... LOL
> Also not ignored by the Daily Kos, that bastion of right-wing
> journalism:
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/4/872974/-Helen-Thomas:Jews-get-...
And this one tried to explain it away.... Go figure it comes from the
daily k00ks.
<bored with looking at websites snip>
> ...and all this on a weekend, when most publications do not update
> their sites very often.
I was (for the most part) refering to this forum. And most definately
that is what is
happening by people saying it is because her Leb heritage..... Thomas
is a liberal...
She is on the record as saying her liberalism is the biggest influence
on what she
is about and what she reports... She never said that about her
Lebanese hertiage.
> Your "I stand corrected" apology to the left-of-center press will be
> graciously accepted, should you have the intellectual honesty to offer
> one.
Why? I was talking about this forum.... You should apologize first for
your racist
remarks...
David
DoD
The Liberal Mt. St. Helen..... LMFTO!!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2010/06/06/long-list-liberal-eruptions-medias-mount-st-helen
David
topaz
>
> Jay
Thanks for sharing this. Hooray some good news for a change.
mm
Your previous post, with the movie poster, was great. I sent it to
four friends, including the one who first emailed me about this.
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Fattush <fatt...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Another blog on Helen "The Zombie" Thomas:
>
>
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122
Thanks, I read this one too. This is interesting: "Unfortunately, the
matter has degenerated into a left / right issue from the
rightwing-nut fringe. The normally baseless Michael Savage rightly
commented on the issue, but then goes on a psychotic rant about
liberal communists. Just because Thomas is liberal does not mean other
liberals are at fault for her behavior. Some people, regardless of
politics, can be just plain stupid.
Read more:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122#ixzz0q8IIvrQg
"
This last line, starting "Read more" is interesting. It doesn't show
at that point in the article, and the url doesn't show at all, but it
gets copied!
mm
wrote:
>On Jun 6, 1:42 pm, topaz <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>> > under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>> > some innocent comment...
>
>
>Much to your probable chagrin, this was not quite swept under the rug.
DoD lives in conservative lala land. Most conservatives don't, but
he's not alone there.
>Lanny Davis (a Clinton leftist) and Newsweek's Joe Klein (another
>leftist) have now condemned her remarks, and there may be WH press
>room repercussions.
>
>And she's been dropped by her speaking agency:
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/06/helen-thomas-dropped-by-agency_n_602225.html
>
>Jay
"She has since apologized for the remarks, saying they did not
properly reflect her position on the conflict of the Middle East. "
This is a common technique, but afaicr people like her never follow up
by giving a proper reflection of their position. If hou don't believe
what you said, then explain in detail what you do believe. Mel Gibson
was another one who said he didn't mean what he said, but didn't say
anything different afaicr.
And Jimmy Carter went to a couple Jewish forums and said he didn't
mean it. AFAIK he didn't say what he did mean, but more importantly,
if he could come up with something pro-Israel, he should have been
going to Arab forums and anti-Israel forums, saying he didnt' mean
what he said and and saying something good that he did mean instead.
Of course he didn't want to do that.
This may be more complicated than I imagined, and wikip certainly
doesn't more than touch the surface, but as I understood it, when
George Wallace (not the black comedian (who uses his real name) but
the the white racist governor of Alabama) really repented for what he
had done wrong, when he wasn't running for office anymore and had
little reason to lie, he went to black church after black church
confessing his sins, admitting they were sins, and asking for
forgiveness. He didnt' go to white churches.
Now what's the difference between what I want from Jimmy Carter and
Gibson and Helen Thomas, and what I'm giving George Wallace praise
for? Three I want to go to the side they've supported, and Wallace I
think was right to go to the side he opposed. I guess because
Wallace's old position had already lost. Most white people already
had abandoned his position and the number was increasing. Gibson,
Thomas and Carter need to set the record straight with our enemies.
But they won't.
Fattush
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:40:10 +0000 (UTC), Jay J <levin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Lanny Davis (a Clinton leftist) and Newsweek's Joe Klein (another
> >leftist) have now condemned her remarks, and there may be WH press
> >room repercussions.
>
> >And she's been dropped by her speaking agency:
>
>
> >Jay
>
> "She has since apologized for the remarks, saying they did not
> properly reflect her position on the conflict of the Middle East. "
>
> This is a common technique, but afaicr people like her never follow up
> by giving a proper reflection of their position. If hou don't believe
> what you said, then explain in detail what you do believe.
Soon after this story involving Helen Thomas broke, I did some
research around the internet and saw her various anti Israel
statements and saw her and her staunch opposition to the Iraq war.
IMO Ms. Thomas can apologize all she wants, but her true colors were
showing years ago.
mirjam
Christian family members in Lebanon ?
mirjam
Fattush
>
> David- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The comments are hilarious.
Fattush
Glad you liked it. That zombie movie poster was hilarious.
On Jun 6, 11:27 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Your previous post, with the movie poster, was great. I sent it to
> four friends, including the one who first emailed me about this.
>
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Fattush <fattuc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
Patty
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>
> David
School's out for summer ... no... Ding dong the... no what's that song
that's running through my head? Anyway Thomas is suffering _some_
consequences at least here in the DC area.
http://amerpundit.com/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-disinvited-from-high-school-commencement/
Don Levey
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
--
Don Levey, Framingam MA If knowledge is power,
(email address in header works) and power corrupts, then...
NOTE: Don't send mail to to sal...@the-leveys.us
GnuPG public key: http://www.the-leveys.us:6080/keys/don-dsakey.asc
Don Levey
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC), maxine in ri
> <wee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
>>> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>>>
>>> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
>>> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
>>> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
>>> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
>>> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
>>> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>>>
>>> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>>>
>>> David
>>
>> She is Lebanese descent, so is it surprising that she would take the
>> Arab POV?
>
> Comparitively, yes. Actually I would say unconditionally, yes, it is
> surprising because this is the first example I've heard of a
> Lebanese-American being hostile to Israel or Jews. They've been here
> starting over 100 years and I've never heard of trouble related to
> one, until this case. (Well, I see below that there was *one* but I
> forgot it.)
>
lee
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>
> David
Can I go back to Europe too, I fancy the South of France or Italy....
Don Levey
I think you're mistaken in linking opposition to the Iraq war with an
anti-Israel stand. Quite a few of us were opposed to the former but
staunchly support the latter.
Jay J
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment...
Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
Jay
sheldonlg
> On 6/7/2010 02:24, Fattush wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 11:52 pm, mm<NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:40:10 +0000 (UTC), Jay J<levin...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lanny Davis (a Clinton leftist) and Newsweek's Joe Klein (another
>>>> leftist) have now condemned her remarks, and there may be WH press
>>>> room repercussions.
>>>
>>>> And she's been dropped by her speaking agency:
>>>
>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/06/helen-thomas-dropped-by-agen...
>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>
>>> "She has since apologized for the remarks, saying they did not
>>> properly reflect her position on the conflict of the Middle East. "
>>>
>>> This is a common technique, but afaicr people like her never follow up
>>> by giving a proper reflection of their position. If hou don't believe
>>> what you said, then explain in detail what you do believe.
>>
>> Soon after this story involving Helen Thomas broke, I did some
>> research around the internet and saw her various anti Israel
>> statements and saw her and her staunch opposition to the Iraq war.
>> IMO Ms. Thomas can apologize all she wants, but her true colors were
>> showing years ago.
>
> I think you're mistaken in linking opposition to the Iraq war with an
> anti-Israel stand. Quite a few of us were opposed to the former but
> staunchly support the latter.
Me too.
--
Shelly
Yussel
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>
> David
She just announced she is "retiring effective immediately."
Joel
mm
wrote:
I read she is enrolling in SCUBA training.
>
>Joel
Fattush
> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> > under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> > some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> > curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> > Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> > questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> > he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> > 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> > probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> > or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> > The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>
> > David
>
> School's out for summer ... no... Ding dong the... no what's that song
> that's running through my head?
Was it Purple People Eater? :-)
Anyway Thomas is suffering _some_
> consequences at least here in the DC area.
>
> http://amerpundit.com/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-disinvited-from-high-sc...
Herman Rubin
> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
> Tony Snow once accused her of stating ?the Hezbollah view? in her
> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> 89-year-old reporter who?s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
> The rest..................
> http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-jews/
> David
Possibly she should be asked to go back to Lebanon?
At this time, a majority of the Israeli Jews were either
born in Israel, or came from Muslim lands after the Jewish
state was established; many of them were even driven out.
There are also Ethiopian Jews, who were mistreated in
Ethiopia, and Jews from India.
The censuses in the 19th century showed more Jews than
Muslims in Jerusalem, and the current "settlements" are
being built in what was the Jewish quarter, with the
Jews being exiled by Jordan after the State of Israel
was established. Israel should demand the same rights
for Jews in Gaza and the West Bank that the Arabs have
in Israel, as well as respect for the Jewish holy sites,
with the same access as the Arabs have to the Temple Mount.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
mm
That's what people are complaining about, your support of an
anti-Israel stand.
>
>Me too.
You too, I guess.
Fattush
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:17:38 +0000 (UTC), Yussel <jshur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> >> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> >> some innocent comment... "Pay no attention to that man behind the
> >> curtain" Sorry, I am from Kansas]
>
> >> Tony Snow once accused her of stating “the Hezbollah view” in her
> >> questions during the Israel/Lebanon war. Little did he know how right
> >> he was. Or maybe he did know: Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> >> 89-year-old reporter who’s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> >> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> >> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> >> The rest..................http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/04/helen-thomas-go-home-to-europe-...
>
> >> David
>
> >She just announced she is "retiring effective immediately."
>
> I read she is enrolling in SCUBA training.
>
>
>
> Meir
Ah! So she wants to be a SEAL for Israel!
Don Levey
Excuse me? Are you saying that opposition to the invasion of Iraq is
somehow anti-Israel?
>>
>> Me too.
>
> You too, I guess.
--
sheldonlg
Whoops! Egg on my face (and on Don's). He meant (I am sure) that he
was anti-Iraq war and also pro-Israel, not "pro anti-Israel stand".
It is that intent of his to which I replied "Me too".
(This was the rare instance where what Don wrote was not clear).
--
Shelly
sheldonlg
No, he is saying that "staunchly support the latter" can mean supporting
"an anti-Israel stand". Your writing was not clear here as the "former"
was "opposition to the Iraq war" while the "atter" could mean "an
anti-Israel stand".
--
Shelly
Don Levey
> anti-Israel stand".
>
Ah, my apologies. My intent was to oppose the former - the Iraq war -
and support the latter - Israel, and not oppose/support views on same.
Yussel
I'll be happy to fill her tanks....
She is a senile old lady.
Joel
mm
<Don_...@the-leveys.us> wrote:
>On 6/7/2010 16:23, sheldonlg wrote:
>> On 6/7/2010 4:02 PM, Don Levey wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2010 15:37, mm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you're mistaken in linking opposition to the Iraq war with an
>>>>>> anti-Israel stand. Quite a few of us were opposed to the former but
>>>>>> staunchly support the latter.
>>>>
>>>> That's what people are complaining about, your support of an
>>>> anti-Israel stand.
>>>
>>> Excuse me? Are you saying that opposition to the invasion of Iraq is
>>> somehow anti-Israel?
>>
>> No, he is saying that "staunchly support the latter" can mean supporting
>> "an anti-Israel stand". Your writing was not clear here as the "former"
>> was "opposition to the Iraq war" while the "latter" could mean "an
>> anti-Israel stand".
>>
>Ah, my apologies. My intent was to oppose the former - the Iraq war -
>and support the latter - Israel, and not oppose/support views on same.
No need to apologize. I think everyone knew what your intent and
Shelly's were. I did. I still thought it funny what your words said.
cycjec
> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> or twice whilst among colleagues.
Perhaps the interviewer had heard of such, and took the
opportunity to elicit it from her.
It's most thought provoking that she felt no qualms
about saying it at the time.
DoD
You mean kinda like Mel Gibson had some booze in him when
he went on his tirade, but she didn't need any lubricant? I wonder
what would have came out if she had a few glasses of witches
brew... :o)
David
Fattush
> DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Watching this, it occurred to me that an
> > 89-year-old reporter who?s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
> > probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
> > or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
> Perhaps the interviewer had heard of such, and took the
> opportunity to elicit it from her.
Thomas' remarks were shocking because she dared to say them out loud.
However if one has seen a few of her interviews and/or questions to
various presidents over the years, Helen's POV was not so
surprinsing. She's been staunchly anti Israel for a long time.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
Am I guilty of hipocracy if I applaud getting rid of Helen Tomas but
complained about getting rid of Prof. Katz? I think not.
As a reporter, her anti-Israel bias could directly influence her
work. As a scientist, Katz' anti-homosexual bias has _no_ effect on
stopping the oil spill.
But maybe I'm just prevaricating.
--
Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah
btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel.
Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University
sheldonlg
> Yussel<jshu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> She just announced she is "retiring effective immediately."
>
> Am I guilty of hipocracy if I applaud getting rid of Helen Tomas but
> complained about getting rid of Prof. Katz? I think not.
>
> As a reporter, her anti-Israel bias could directly influence her
> work. As a scientist, Katz' anti-homosexual bias has _no_ effect on
> stopping the oil spill.
>
> But maybe I'm just prevaricating.
Not hypocrisy, just confusion. You still don't understand the point of
"embarrasing the President" and "serving at the will of the President".
It had NOTHING to do with the task at hand -- no matter HOW much you
desire to make it so. It had EVERYTHING to do with embarrassing your boss.
Open your eyes. You have been told this now about umpteen times.
--
Shelly
mm
<shel...@giganews.com> wrote:
>On 6/8/2010 4:50 AM, mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> Yussel<jshu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> She just announced she is "retiring effective immediately."
>>
>> Am I guilty of hipocracy if I applaud getting rid of Helen Tomas but
>> complained about getting rid of Prof. Katz? I think not.
>>
>> As a reporter, her anti-Israel bias could directly influence her
>> work. As a scientist, Katz' anti-homosexual bias has _no_ effect on
>> stopping the oil spill.
>>
>> But maybe I'm just prevaricating.
>
>Not hypocrisy, just confusion. You still don't understand the point of
>"embarrasing the President" and "serving at the will of the President".
You make a good point, you really do, but I would say that giving what
he does think the point was, it seems, it wouldn't matter what the
point actually was to still leave Moshe with his dilemma.
And of course, even at most, I would never call it hypocrisy since,
although Moshe presented his standards on Professor Katz as a
universal rule to follow, people often express general rules when
later they see that there are distinctions that can be made, and here
he is just a day or two after Helen Thomas was in the news, saying
that he doesn't apply the rule to her. He provides two choices. One
is that there is a valid distinction between the two cases, and one
that he is a hypocrite. But since there is no pretense, at most he
has a double standard.
Well, there is still one avenue for hypocrisy. A distinction between
anti-Israel attitudes and anti-homosexual attitudes. If his double
standard is not because the personal views of one of them can affect
how she does her job, but of the other one they can't; and it's not
because one is a goy and the other isn't; then maybe it's because he
disagrees with anti-Israel and agrees (to some extent or other) with
anti-homosexual. Now I'm not saying that's the reason, but if it were
the reason, and if Moshe knows it's the reason**, since there is no
disclosure that it's the reason, that would make him a hypocrite. **I
think he would have to know it's a reason.
Personally I buy his distinction, but let me ask you this, Moshe.
What if she were an appointee to a commission on how to avoid another
oil spill and she said the same things about Israel (and fwiw lets
throw in that she didn't apologize), would you still think she should
keep her job? What about ignoring or not ignoring what she said?
What should be done about what she said? By the person who appointed
her and anyone else.
Also I don't think you're prevaricating. Lying to yourself
conceivably, but not to us.
> It had NOTHING to do with the task at hand -- no matter HOW much you
>desire to make it so. It had EVERYTHING to do with embarrassing your boss.
>
>Open your eyes. You have been told this now about umpteen times.
--
Meir
Yussel
> Your previous post, with the movie poster, was great. I sent it to
> four friends, including the one who first emailed me about this.
>
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Fattush <fattuc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Another blog on Helen "The Zombie" Thomas:
>
> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122
>
> Thanks, I read this one too. This is interesting: "Unfortunately, the
> matter has degenerated into a left / right issue from the
> rightwing-nut fringe. The normally baseless Michael Savage rightly
> commented on the issue, but then goes on a psychotic rant about
> liberal communists. Just because Thomas is liberal does not mean other
> liberals are at fault for her behavior. Some people, regardless of
> politics, can be just plain stupid.
>
> Read more:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122#ixz...
> "
>
> This last line, starting "Read more" is interesting. It doesn't show
> at that point in the article, and the url doesn't show at all, but it
> gets copied!
> --
>
> Meir
>
> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
Anyone who knows Helen Thomas knows she is not a liberal and never has
been. That's actually pretty funny.
I suppose someone ought to say this, to be fair: she was once one of
the best reporters in Washington with an awesome lack of respect for
authority that pissed off every president she covered, and made her
colleagues cringe--in part because they didn't have her audacity. She
was briefly a colleague of mine and I cringed. She should have retired
gracefully long ago, or Hearst should have sent her out to pasture
long ago. But once, she was terrific. Some people just don't know how
to fade away.
Joel
Dvora
Re: Helen Thomas: Go home to Europe, Jews
Group: soc.culture.jewish.moderated Date: Tue, Jun 8, 2010, 6:21am
(EDT+4) From: cyc...@yahoo.com (cycjec)
DoD <danski...@gmail.com> wrote:
-
Watching this, it occurred to me that an 89-year-old reporter who?s
moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has probably let slip her
preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once or twice whilst among
colleagues.
Perhaps the interviewer had heard of such, and took the opportunity to
elicit it from her.
It's most thought provoking that she felt no qualms about saying it at
the time.
I THINK THAT MANY CLOSE TO HER KNEW HOW SHE FELT ---
-
SHE WAS CLEAR AND CO-HERANT SO I DOO NOT THINK SHE IS SENILE -
Shalom From Dvora --
- give without remembering --
and -- take without forgetting -
mm
wrote:
>DoD <danski...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Watching this, it occurred to me that an
>> 89-year-old reporter who?s moved in elite D.C. circles for decades has
>> probably let slip her preference for Judenrein in the Holy Land once
>> or twice whilst among colleagues.
>
>
>Perhaps the interviewer had heard of such, and took the
>opportunity to elicit it from her.
I think the video shows him asking a pretty open-ended question, but
otoh even an open-ended question will get a hostile response if that
is what is foremost on the ohter's mind, and esepcially if she is
losing her inhibitions. See rabbilive.com for the full video from the
source itself. The interviewer was Rabbi David F. Nesenoff. There's a
picture of him there too, with a totally bald or shaved head, afaict,
and wearing a leather jacket, probably not a motorcycle jacket, but
stiill not what one would expect from most rabbis. He doesn't look
like but he reminds me of Howie Mandell.
So it may not have been apparent that he was a rabbi or a Jew, but it
was the doggone Jewish Heritage celebration. One should expect more
than the average number of Jews there.
>It's most thought provoking that she felt no qualms
>about saying it at the time.
For sure. Or as they say at Valley Torah**, fer shur.
She has said some things that could look or did look hostile to Israel
in the past, but she's been getting more acerbic, on Israel and on
other topics too, aiui. So the early things she said could probably
have been taken two ways, or thought to be the insightful criticism of
someone who was basicalaly friendly. I guess not.
I don't think she's senile at all, which word I associate with lack of
logical thinking (from her pov, what she said was logical) and/or
forgetting their past or who they are, or their family. And I think
she's meant everything she's said, but isn't there another facet of
aging sometimes that inhibitions are loosened. Like using vulgar
speech when they never did before, or dressing immodestly when they
never did before, or maybe here, saying in public what one would have
thought but not said in public before.
There's probably a name for this. Anyone know?
**Which I'm sure is a very good school. I never had any doubt.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
>
> Anyone who knows Helen Thomas knows she is not a liberal and never has
> been. That's actually pretty funny.
>
> I suppose someone ought to say this, to be fair: she was once one of
> the best reporters in Washington with an awesome lack of respect for
> authority that pissed off every president she covered, and made her
> colleagues cringe--in part because they didn't have her audacity. She
> was briefly a colleague of mine and I cringed. She should have retired
> gracefully long ago, or Hearst should have sent her out to pasture
> long ago. But once, she was terrific.
I'm sure it was her audacity, and the fact that her colleagues would
always cringe, that made her feel invincible.
>Some people just don't know how to fade away.
True.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> sheldonlg <shel...@giganews.com> wrote:
>>On 6/8/2010 4:50 AM, mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>> Yussel<jshu...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> She just announced she is "retiring effective immediately."
>>>
>>> complained about getting rid of Prof. Katz? I think not.
>>>
>>> As a reporter, her anti-Israel bias could directly influence her
>>> work. As a scientist, Katz' anti-homosexual bias has _no_ effect on
>>> stopping the oil spill.
>>>
>>> But maybe I'm just prevaricating.
>>
>>Not hypocrisy, just confusion. You still don't understand the point of
>>"embarrasing the President" and "serving at the will of the President".
>
> You make a good point, you really do, but I would say that giving what
> he does think the point was, it seems, it wouldn't matter what the
> point actually was to still leave Moshe with his dilemma.
Thank you.
That's what I keep asking myself. I would like to think that I would
say her ideas about Israel have nothing to do with stopping the oil
spill.
Meanwhile, after seeing the Steven Chowder videos, I'm less than
convinced that the Gov'mint is the right choice for cleaning up that
mess.
> Also I don't think you're prevaricating. Lying to yourself
> conceivably, but not to us.
Again, thank you.
Yisroel Markov
said:
Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
--
Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA Member
www.reason.com -- for a sober analysis of the world DNRC
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Abe Kohen
"Yussel" <jshu...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3350d0c2-7266-4260-a319-
Anyone who knows Helen Thomas knows she is not a liberal and never has
been. That's actually pretty funny.
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Yep, guess she was a tea-party conservative who voted for Reagan and Bush.
Not!
Guess all liberal anti-semites are not really liberals, in your view. Others
beg to differ.
Abe
Don Levey
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Jay J <levi...@gmail.com>
> said:
>
>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>> some innocent comment...
>>
>>
>> Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>
> Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
> Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
> said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
>
the situation (and its fallout) before running off at the mouth.
> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing someone
for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here oppose that
sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing anti-gay opinions).
Yussel
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Jay J <levin...@gmail.com>
> said:
>
> >On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
> >> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
> >> some innocent comment...
>
> >Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>
> Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
> Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
> said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
>
> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Judge, and be prepared to be judged" -- Ayn Rand
Trust me. She did not "retire." Hearst kept her on for the same reason
people keep old artifacts around in the house. As soon as they start
drawing flies, they get rid of it. They let her leave gracefully.
Joel
sheldonlg
> On 6/9/2010 08:36, Yisroel Markov wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Jay J<levi...@gmail.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD<danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>>> some innocent comment...
>>>
>>>
>>> Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>>
>> Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
>> Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
>> said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
>>
> It is likely that they learned from that mistake, and chose to examine
> the situation (and its fallout) before running off at the mouth.
>
>> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
>
> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing someone
> for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here oppose that
> sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing anti-gay opinions).
ROTFL
--
Shelly
(PeteCresswell)
>I don't think she's senile at all, which word I associate with lack of
>logical thinking (from her pov, what she said was logical) and/or
>forgetting their past or who they are, or their family. And I think
>she's meant everything she's said, but isn't there another facet of
>aging sometimes that inhibitions are loosened. Like using vulgar
>speech when they never did before, or dressing immodestly when they
>never did before, or maybe here, saying in public what one would have
>thought but not said in public before.
>
>There's probably a name for this. Anyone know?
Having no medical expertise whatsoever, but having accompanied a
close family member down that path, I would say "Stage 1
Alzheimer's".
--
PeteCresswell
mm
>
>
>Meanwhile, after seeing the Steven Chowder videos, I'm less than
>convinced that the Gov'mint is the right choice for cleaning up that
>mess.
The commission Katz was apopointed to is not about cleaning it up, but
about what to do to keep it from happening again. I assume to make
recommendations what the government should do in terms of inspection,
what to inspect, what to look for, what to penalize and how much; and
what the oil and drilling companies should do, and how to make them
actually do it, which tends to get back to what the government should
do.
Perhaps there should be independent inspection also, such as by OUOW,
OU-OilWells.
The mayor of one or more shore towns in western Florida is complaining
that BP is sending a few people to shovel up tarballs by hand. He
says, "Let us do it and BP you pay for it. We clean the beach every
day, and we use machines to do it, not shovels." They have special
machines for beach cleaning with forks I think that more or less pick
everything up and let the sand fall back down. So that's local
government wanting to do it while it seems BP is making a pretense of
cleaning. If BP keeps this up, they're going to make Citgo, owned by
Venezuela, look good.
mm
<ey.m...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Jay J <levi...@gmail.com>
>said:
>
>>On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>> some innocent comment...
>>
>>
>>Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>
>Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
>Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
>said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
Yeah, but he's learned his lesson. I don't think he'll say anything
the next day again.
I haven't like Gibbs as a press secretary since his first day. Several
fairly little things that add up to a fairly big thing, and nothing
especially good to make up for it. I don't know if his statement was
in answer to a question or not -- iirc 80 or 90% of these press
conferences is answering questions, after a short opening statement on
one or two points -- or if anyone asked such a question on previous
days.
>
>And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
--
Meir
mm
wrote:
>On Jun 9, 8:36 am, Yisroel Markov <ey.mar...@MUNGiname.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Jay J <levin...@gmail.com>
>> said:
>>
>> >On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>> >> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>> >> some innocent comment...
>>
>> >Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>>
>> Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
>> Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
>> said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
>>
>> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
>> --
>> Yisroel "Godwrestler Warriorson" Markov - Boston, MA
>
>Trust me. She did not "retire." Hearst kept her on for the same reason
>people keep old artifacts around in the house. As soon as they start
>drawing flies, they get rid of it. They let her leave gracefully.
Isn't that what Yisroel is complaining about? That she was allowed to
leave gracefully when she should have been fired. That regardless of
what happened, they called it "retire".
>Joel
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Yisroel Markov wrote:
>> Jay J <levi...@gmail.com> said:
>>> On Jun 5, 3:21 pm, DoD <danskisan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> [Of course, because she is on the left, this will get ignored, swept
>>>> under the rug, or somehow explained away as
>>>> some innocent comment...
>>>
>>> Not by Mr. Gibbs of the White House.
>>
>> Took them - what, four days to gauge the reaction? When Obama's
>> Cambridge friend got into his scuffle with the police, the President
>> said that the police "acted stupidly" the very next day.
>>
> It is likely that they learned from that mistake, and chose to examine
> the situation (and its fallout) before running off at the mouth.
That's also what they did with the Gaza flotilla, chose to examine
the situation before running off at the mouth. And I think we all
appreciated that.
>> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
>
> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing
> someone for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here
> oppose that sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing
> anti-gay opinions).
Thank you for the stab, even if you didn't mention my name!
I already addressed that point.
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> Don Levey wrote:
>>
>> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
>> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing someone
>> for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here oppose that
>> sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing anti-gay opinions).
>
> ROTFL
Et tu' Shelly? I addressed that already.
sheldonlg
> sheldonlg<shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>> Don Levey wrote:
>>>
>>> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
>>> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing someone
>>> for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here oppose that
>>> sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing anti-gay opinions).
>>
>> ROTFL
>
> Et tu' Shelly? I addressed that already.
>
Yes, et moi. Sorry to say, you set yourself up for this one. After I
don;t know how many people explained the same thing to you I don't know
how many times, and you fail to understand, well..........
Besides, the way Don said it was (in context), well, funny.
--
Shelly
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
So I guess you didn't see the post where I asked that exact question.
I know Meir responded to it, and somebody else as well. But hey, if
you get a good laugh out of it, who am I to stop you?
Don Levey
mos...@mm.huji.ac.il
> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> Don Levey <Don_...@the-leveys.us> writes:
>
>>> It is likely that they learned from that mistake, and chose to examine
>>> the situation (and its fallout) before running off at the mouth.
>>
>> That's also what they did with the Gaza flotilla, chose to examine
>> the situation before running off at the mouth. And I think we all
>> appreciated that.
>>
>>>> And she was allowed to retire, rather than was fired. Great.
>>>
>>> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
>>> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing
>>> someone for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here
>>> oppose that sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing
>>> anti-gay opinions).
>>
>> Thank you for the stab, even if you didn't mention my name!
>> I already addressed that point.
>>
> Sorry - I hadn't seen that when I made this comment.
Accepted.
sheldonlg
> sheldonlg<shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>> mos...@mm.huji.ac.il wrote:
>>> sheldonlg<shel...@giganews.com> writes:
>>>> Don Levey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reports say that she was "pressured" to retire. It may be that the
>>>>> corporation felt that they were on shaky legal ground for firing someone
>>>>> for expressing their opinion. Certainly some people here oppose that
>>>>> sort of thing (at least, as long as they are expressing anti-gay opinions).
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL
>>>
>>> Et tu' Shelly? I addressed that already.
>>
>> Yes, et moi. Sorry to say, you set yourself up for this one. After I
>> don;t know how many people explained the same thing to you I don't know
>> how many times, and you fail to understand, well..........
>>
>> Besides, the way Don said it was (in context), well, funny.
>
> So I guess you didn't see the post where I asked that exact question.
> I know Meir responded to it, and somebody else as well. But hey, if
> you get a good laugh out of it, who am I to stop you?
>
I saw it, but I don't remember the time frame whether it was before or
after. I laughed when I read Don's post.
Anyway, as I seem to recall in that post (correct me, please, if I am
wrong), you still didn't accept the explanation we all gave to you many
times. You only said you didn't know how you would have felt if he had
made an anti-semitic remark rather than an anti-gay remark. That was
honest, but still missed the main point. Until you can accept the
explanation we all gave, there is still the lingering suspicion that
your position is based upon the target of what he said, and not the lack
of relevance to the job the person had.
--
Shelly
mm
wrote:
>On Jun 6, 11:27 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Your previous post, with the movie poster, was great. I sent it to
>> four friends, including the one who first emailed me about this.
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 10:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Fattush <fattuc...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Another blog on Helen "The Zombie" Thomas:
>>
>> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122
>>
>> Thanks, I read this one too. This is interesting: "Unfortunately, the
>> matter has degenerated into a left / right issue from the
>> rightwing-nut fringe. The normally baseless Michael Savage rightly
>> commented on the issue, but then goes on a psychotic rant about
>> liberal communists. Just because Thomas is liberal does not mean other
>> liberals are at fault for her behavior. Some people, regardless of
>> politics, can be just plain stupid.
>>
>> Read more:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=65122#ixz...
>> "
>>
>> This last line, starting "Read more" is interesting. It doesn't show
>> at that point in the article, and the url doesn't show at all, but it
>> gets copied!
>> --
>>
>> Meir
>>
>> "The baby's name is Shlomo. He's named after his grandfather, Scott."
>
>Anyone who knows Helen Thomas knows she is not a liberal and never has
>been. That's actually pretty funny.
I don't know what you're talking about either.
>I suppose someone ought to say this, to be fair: she was once one of
>the best reporters in Washington with an awesome lack of respect for
>authority that pissed off every president she covered, and made her
>colleagues cringe--in part because they didn't have her audacity. She
>was briefly a colleague of mine and I cringed. She should have retired
>gracefully long ago, or Hearst should have sent her out to pasture
>long ago. But once, she was terrific. Some people just don't know how
>to fade away.
>
>Joel
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