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The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude Toward
Pius XII

By Sister Margherita Marchione


As the Vatican moves toward announcing the beatification
of Pope Pius XII, some prominent American Jewish leaders continue to insist
that the Church should desist from that long-overdue action. They claim that
Pius was guilty of not doing enough to prevent Hitler's genocide of Jews
during the Holocaust. Even putting aside the impertinence of people from
outside the Catholic faith like Abraham Foxman, executive vice president of
the Anti-Defamation League, or Seymour Reich, past chairman of the
International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations, presuming to
dictate to the Vatican whom the Church can or cannot beatify, the charges
they levy against Pius XII are simply untrue. In reality, the wartime pope
did far more to save Jews than did other leaders of the day, including
people like Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, who, unlike Pius, had
enormous military assets at their command. Yet for some incomprehensible
reason, it is Pius, the only world leader who made sustained efforts to save
Jews during the Holocaust, who is scapegoated for the world's failure to act
forthrightly in the face of evil. In an effort to counteract the
inaccuracies of some historians, I have gathered documentation that proves
how outrageously incorrect are the misrepresentations about Pope Pius XII's
so-called "silence" and "anti-Semitism." In my book, Did Pope Pius XII Help
the Jews? (Paulist Press, 2007), I proved that Pius XII was neither silent
nor anti-Semitic. Just consider the testimonials of Jewish leaders of his
day thanking him for his efforts, and the gratitude the 5000 Jews saved
during the Nazi occupation of Rome evince for the Pope. They understood that
the Pope had to be prudent while moving behind the scenes to protect as many
Jews as he possibly could. Had he taken a more public and provocative stand,
he would have infuriated Hitler and invited Nazi retaliation against the
Vatican; thereby endangering the lives of thousands of Jews who, at his
direction, were hidden in 155 convents and monasteries in Rome alone. In
reality, Pius XII was a saintly man, a man of peace and compassion. He
condemned strongly the anti-Semitic persecutions, the oppression of invaded
lands and the inhuman conduct of the Nazis. He was a champion of peace,
freedom, human dignity. He encouraged Catholics to look on Christians and
Jews as their brothers and sisters, all children of a common Father. For his
part, Pius was totally committed to playing the role of universal pastor,
the kind and loving father to all victims, regardless of their religious
background. Many people who dedicated themselves to the cause of rescuing
Jews during those terrible years paid tribute to the efforts of Pius XII.
For example, John W. Phele, executive director of the U.S. War Refugee
Board, wrote just after the war ended in 1945; "The Catholic clergy saved
and protected many thousands and the Vatican rendered invaluable assistance
to the Board and to the persecuted in Nazi hands." Sir Francis Osborne, a
non-Catholic British diplomat in the Vatican from 1936 to 1947, had this to
say (The Times of London, May 20, 1963): ".Pius XII was the most warmly,
humane, kindly, generous, sympathetic and, incidentally, saintly character
that it has been my privilege to meet. .Without the slightest doubt, he
would have been ready and glad to give his life to redeem humanity from its
consequences. And this quite irrespective of nationality or Faith." Consider
Pius' own words during those terrible days. In response to Franklin Delano
Roosevelt's letter of December 31, 1942, the Pope expressed his readiness to
collaborate with him to achieve peace and "to do everything in Our power to
alleviate the countless sufferings arising from this tragic conflict
(January 5, 1943)." President Roosevelt wrote on August 3, 1944, to Myron C.
Taylor, his personal representative at the Vatican; "I should like you to
take the occasion to express to His Holiness my deeply-felt appreciation of
the frequent action which the Holy See has taken on its own initiative in
its generous and merciful efforts to render assistance to the victims of
racial and religious persecutions." Or consider that on June 25, 1944, Pius
XII telegraphed the following protest message to Admiral Horthy, the
pro-Nazi ruler of Hungary in which he spoke of the sufferings endured by
hundreds of thousands "on account of their national or racial origin by a
great number of unfortunate people belonging to this noble and chivalrous
nation. ... We appeal to your noble feelings, in the full trust that Your
Serene Highness will do everything in your power to save many unfortunate
people from further pain and sorrow." In response to the inaccurate and
unjust statement by Shmuley Boteach on April 15, 2007, in the online edition
of Jerusalem Post, and that of April 17, 2007, by Etgar Lefkovits, I submit
the following testimony published in The Palestine Post, (the present
Jerusalem Post), April 28, 1944, headlined "A Papal Audience in Wartime." It
was signed by a "refugee"; a footnote states that the article's author
arrived in Palestine on the ship Nyassa. This article, published by a young
German Jew in The Palestine Post, points up Pope Pius XII's appreciation for
the "Chosen People." It is significant because it shows the attention and
great love with which the Pontiff regarded the Jews. During an audience with
the Pope, the young Jew told Pius XII about a group of shipwrecked Jewish
refugees, who were then starving in a prisoner of war camp on an island in
Greece. The Pope listened carefully and then said to him, "You have done
well to come and tell me this. Come back tomorrow with a written report and
give it to the (Vatican) Secretary of State who is dealing with this
question..My son, I hope you will always be proud to be a Jew!".. Pius XII
lifted his hands to bless him, then stopped, smiled, touched the author's
head with his fingers, and lifted him from his kneeling position. Documents
show that renowned Jewish contemporaries of Pius XII strongly defended
him-among them, Israeli Foreign Minister Golda Meir: "When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for the victims." Nor can Albert Einstein's statement (Time Magazine,
1940) be ignored: "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of
Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth." Jewish historian Pinchas
Lapide tells how Pope Pius XII sent his Papal Nuncio in Berlin to visit
Hitler in Berchtesgaden to plead for the Jews. That interview ended when
Hitler smashed a glass at the Nuncio's feet. From Hitler's reaction, the
Pope was convinced that public pronouncements would have sealed the fate of
many more Jews. Indeed, after this incident, Hitler, who often raged against
the Pope to his henchmen for protecting Jews, conceived a plot-fortunately
never realized--to kidnap Pius XII from the Vatican to Germany. Frankly, I
am at a loss to understand why modern Jewish leaders like Foxman and Reich
are so ready to disregard the testimony of great predecessors like Golda
Meir and Einstein, who went out of their way to praise Pope Pius XII.
Whatever the reason, I implore Jews of good will and open minds to take
another hard look at the evidence concerning the wartime Pope. If they do, I
am convinced that they will come to the same conclusion that I have; that
Pius XII is blameless of the charges against him. Indeed, Pius deserves to
be acclaimed as a "Righteous Gentile" for his courageous efforts that saved
thousands of Jews from certain death, rather than being scorned as a moral
failure unworthy of beatification. Margherita Marchione, PhD, a resident of
the Villa Walsh convent in Morristown for 72 years is author of ten books on
Pius XII, including:Yours Is a Precious Witness: Memoirs of Jews and
Catholics in Wartime Italy; Pius XII: Architect for Peace; and the just
released Did Pope Pius XII Help The Jews? Paulist Press, 2007. Her e-mail is
Sr.Margheri...@ATT.NET


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SolomonW

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Oct 25, 2009, 12:17:12 AM10/25/09
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:14:04 -0400, J wrote:

> They understood that
> the Pope had to be prudent while moving behind the scenes to protect as many
> Jews as he possibly could. Had he taken a more public and provocative stand,
> he would have infuriated Hitler and invited Nazi retaliation against the
> Vatican; thereby endangering the lives of thousands of Jews who, at his
> direction, were hidden in 155 convents and monasteries in Rome alone. In
> reality,

A pope needs to be measured at a higher standard then other political
leaders particularly if you are looking to beatify someone.

This pope knew how to speak clearly; no Catholic could fail to know of his
Church's opposition to abortion or divorce; but what he said was such
vagueness on the holocaust that religious Catholics who participated in the
holocaust, thought it was permission.

Special Care

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Oct 25, 2009, 12:24:40 AM10/25/09
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Yeah but when are we going to canonise Eddie Rice from Waterford,
Ireland.

Surely Ed Rice deserves praise above all other Irish Roman Catholics.

It was an amazing achievement.

That guy Eddie Rice founded and propagated an international chain of
brothels for child abusers.

It was known as

THE IRISH CHRISTIAN BROTHELS.

But with a difference.

Eddie Rice managed to pull off a unique scam with his brothels for
child abusers.

Ed Rice founded a chain of REVERSE BROTHELS FOR CHILD ABUSERS.

In Ed Rice's brothels,

the Irish Christian Brothels,

the customers didn't have to pay any fee.

Not only that.

The parents of the children who were sent to the brothels actually
PAID Eddie Rice's allies for sticking their penises up their
children's anuses and for beating their children black and blue.

What is it worth to you as a parent, to get Ed Rice's brothel keepers
to beat your son black and blue and to stick a real thick Irish penis
up your son's anus.

How much money are you willing to pay to put your son through the
reverse brothels for child abusers at Oatlands College, Mount Merrion,
Dublin, and all the other REVERSE BROTHELS FOR CHILD ABUSERS founded
by that pervert Eddie Rice, who will soon be canonised by the other
brothel keepers in Rome......

It's all about money.

How much money does an Irish Catholic parent PAY to get her son beaten
black and blue and buggered in Oatlands College, Mount Merrion,
Dublin.

The Irish Christian Brothels are brothels with a difference, because
in the Irish Christian Brothels, your parents PAY the men in Dracula
suits to beat their children black and blue in Oatlands College and to
stick their penises up your sons anuses.

The only question here is the PRICE.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE PARENTS WILLING TO PAY TO THESE MEN TO BEAT THEIR
CHILDREN BLACK AND BLUE AND TO STICK THEIR PENISES UP THEIR CHILDRENS
ANUSES?

How much is it worth to you parents, who are thinking of sending your
babies to Oatlands College?

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Jimbo

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On Oct 24, 11:14 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>                   The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude Toward
> Pius XII
>
>                   By Sister Margherita Marchione
>
>                   As the Vatican moves toward announcing the beatification
> of Pope Pius XII, some prominent American Jewish leaders continue to insist
> that the Church should desist from that long-overdue action.

Pius XII supported Hitler both financially and politically long after
it became clear to the rest of the world that Hitler was a monster.
Hell, Pius XII sent Hitler birthday presents until 1942. There is no
way that anyone should support his sainthood.

mirjam

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The fact is that Wherever leaders, either secular like kings or
politicians etc and or Religious like priests, bishops etc .protested
or told their people to resist the Nzaies there were people saved ,
Pope Pious didn`t even condemm the Nazie Actions.
mirjam

Uncle Vic

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One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:

> The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude

> Toward Bozo the Clown

Same thing.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.

NefeshBarYohai

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Mirjam, you are right. In my opinion, most of the conservatives on
FOX news are truthful. It is a consensus among many of the top and
most knowledgeable commentators that we are seeing the same thing
happening now in world history that happened in the 30’s. Ahmadinejad
has replaced Hitler. Hugo CHAVEZ has become the Spanish speaking
Mussolini and Kim Jong-il is Tojo.

W.T.S.

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> The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude Toward
> Pius XII By Sister Margherita Marchione
Why? History wins out no matter how much you try to rewrite it.


�R.L.Measures

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In article <37t5at....@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:

> The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude Toward
> Pius XII
>
>
>
>
>
> By Sister Margherita Marchione
>
>
>
>
> As the Vatican moves toward announcing the beatification
> of Pope Pius XII, some prominent American Jewish leaders continue to insist
> that the Church should desist from that long-overdue action. They claim that
> Pius was guilty of not doing enough to prevent Hitler's genocide of Jews
> during the Holocaust. Even putting aside the impertinence of people from
> outside the Catholic faith like Abraham Foxman, executive vice president of
> the Anti-Defamation League, or Seymour Reich, past chairman of the
> International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations, presuming to
> dictate to the Vatican whom the Church can or cannot beatify, the charges
> they levy against Pius XII are simply untrue. In reality, the wartime pope

> did far more to save Jews than did other leaders of the day,...

� The problem for Eugenio Pacelli, alias Pius XII, was that he helped
Nazi war criminals escape from post-war Europe to Argentina on Vatican
passports. Dr. Joseph Mengele and SS Majur Adolph Eichmann are esamples.
[Argentine Gov't press conference, Feb., 1992]

--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

Zadok

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"J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
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> The Jewish Community Should Rethink its Attitude Toward
> Pius XII

If you want to know why Pius is already in Hell just go to Google and search
on Pius XII and Croats.
And you can read what an evil man he was.

Here's an example.

With the 50th Anniversary of the death of Pius XII, the Vatican is again
pushing for his sainthood. While Pius can be legitimately criticized for his
tepid condemnations of the Nazi Holocaust there is no question he was
complicit in the deaths of at least 500,000 Orthodox Christian Serbs, Jews
and Roma murdered in Croatia, Bosnia, and Krajina during the Second World
War by the Axis allied Croatian regime.

The First Sin of Pius - Genocide

The first sin of Pius, complicity in genocide of at least 500,000 Orthodox
Christian Serbs, Jews and Roma in Croatia, Bosnia, and Krajina 1941-1945 by
the ultra Catholic fascists known as the Ustasha. The mainstream Orthodox
Christians (Pravoslavni) were killed because of their religion, the main
difference between Croats and Serbs. The Ustasha ranks were swelled by
clergy particularly Franciscan monks, priests and seminarians. A Franciscan
monk known as Fr. Satan was commandant at Jasenovac, the chief Croatian
concentration camp, where hundreds of thousands perished and the source of
much of the gold in the so called Ustasha Treasury.

The Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic was welcomed to the Vatican by Pius during
the Second World War and his representative Fr. Krunoslav Drganovic became a
fixture at the Holy See. While the Ustasha were busy butchering
coreligionists, Pius praised Pavelic for outlawing abortion in Croatia. The
Papal Legate Marcone in Croatia and

Cardinal Stepinac of Zagreb kept Pius and the Vatican well informed about
the extermination and forced conversions of the Serbs. Pius instead of
condemning the Ustasha blessed them.

The Second Sin of Pius -Obstruction of Justice and Money Laundering

After the collapse of the Ustasha regime in May 1945, the Ustasha leadership
fled towards Italy with their plunder, 200 million Swiss Francs mainly in
gold, robbed from their many victims. Waiting in Rome for the Ustasha
Treasury and Pavelic were two high ranking churchmen. One was the former
Ustasha official Fr. Draganovic now Apostolic Visitor for Croatia reporting
directly to Pius' Undersecretary of State Montini (later Paul VI). The
other was the former treasurer of the Franciscan Order (OFM), Fr. Dominik
Mandic, an Ustasha sympathizer who promoted bizarre racial theories of
Croatian superiority. Pavelic and his associates were hidden at safe houses
in Rome until they could flee to Argentina and the Ustasha Treasury was
taken to the Vatican Bank for safekeeping.

The Third Sin of Pius -Historical Cover Up

The Vatican hid Pius' secret connection to the murderous Ustasha for
decades. In 1998 the US State Department released the Eizenstat Report
linking the Vatican to the Ustasha Treasury. This in turn led to the class
action lawsuit, Alperin v. Vatican Bank and Franciscan Order, still pending
in the US federal court system for an accounting and return of the Ustasha
Treasury to its rightful owners, the victims of the Ustasha.

The testimony of former US intelligence agent, William Gowen, who reported
on the Ustasha in 1947, has aided the lawsuit. Gowen stated that his
investigation in 1947 led him to believe that the Ustasha Treasury had been
concealed at the Vatican Bank and that the Vatican was implicated at the
highest level with Pavelic. Professor Michael Phayer followed in 2007 with
a well researched book, Pius XII & The Cold War, setting the record
straight.

However, instead of seeking truth and reconciliation the Vatican and
Franciscans have fiercely defended against the lawsuit on technical grounds
while the few remaining survivors of the Ustasha atrocities dwindle to
handful.

Enkidu

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J wrote:

> Even putting aside the impertinence of people from
> outside the Catholic faith like Abraham Foxman, executive vice president of
> the Anti-Defamation League, or Seymour Reich, past chairman of the
> International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations, presuming to

> dictate to the Vatican whom the Church can or cannot beatify . . . .

Yet the sister would presume to to dictate to the Jews how they should
feel about a Pope who stood by while millions were killed.
--
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."
-Thomas Edison

Ray O'Hara

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the Vatican helped many Nazies escape to South America after the war.
if he he had stood up to Hitler and the fascists and paid the price he'd be
worthy of being a saint.


last_per...@yahoo.com

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You don't condemn the ZioNazis actions so WTF, toejam?

> mirjam

�R.L.Measures

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** the idea of praying to a Saint who helped Eichmann and Mengele escape
to Argentina after WW-II ended is no less than amazing.

Zadok

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".R.L.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message ...

> ** the idea of praying to a Saint who helped Eichmann and Mengele escape
> to Argentina after WW-II ended is no less than amazing.

But the whole idea in making him a saint, is to have a patron saint
of Concentration Camp Guards.

Then they want to make John Paul the patron Saint of Child abusers!!

Smile.


bam

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"Ray O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You know nothing.

BAM


�R.L.Measures

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<nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:

> ".R.L.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message ...
> > ** the idea of praying to a Saint who helped Eichmann and Mengele escape
> > to Argentina after WW-II ended is no less than amazing.
>
> But the whole idea in making him a saint, is to have a patron saint
> of Concentration Camp Guards.

** sounds good.

>
> Then they want to make John Paul the patron Saint of Child abusers!!
>

** Karol Wojtyla, Jr. / alias John-Paul II- was only one of many since
priests were reporttedly into boy bottoms way back when Benedict XV and
Pius IX were popes.

"The devil never harmed the church so much as when the church herself
adopted the vow of celibacy."
- - Peter Comestor (DOB ?, died c, AD1178 in Paris)

Jimbo

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> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "SolomonW" <Solom...@nospamMail.com> wrote in message
> BAM- Hide quoted text -


He seems to know quite a bit more than you on the subject. Which is
not surprising.

Nosterill

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On Oct 25, 3:06 pm, Enkidu <enk...@nogodhere.net> wrote:
> J wrote:
> > Even putting aside the impertinence of people from
> > outside the Catholic faith like Abraham Foxman, executive vice president of
> > the Anti-Defamation League, or Seymour Reich, past chairman of the
> > International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations, presuming to
> > dictate to the Vatican whom the Church can or cannot beatify . . . .
>
> Yet the sister would presume to to dictate to the Jews how they should
> feel about a Pope who stood by while millions were killed.

Pius XII managed to retain the power and wealth of the Vatican through
turbulent times: That's all that matters to them. They'll feel no
compunction about sticking two finger up to the rest of the world.

Christopher A. Lee

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They're psychopathic.

They imagine they get to determine every body else's conscience over
things that are none of their business. Leading to all sorts of evils
like being directly responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS in many
developing countries making it go endemic to the extent that civil
infractructure is being destroyed because so many of their population
have it.

Which is pure, unadulterated evil.

Not to mention their behaviour over pedophile priests, blackmailing
our elected representatives if they don't vote to impose the Vatican
line, etc.

NefeshBarYohai

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On Oct 26, 9:31 am, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:12:15 -0700 (PDT), Nosterill
>

All Popes, Cardinals, Arch-Bishops, Bishops, Priests and Decons of the
Catholic Church are Idolators.

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