HAI KAUM MUSLIMIN/MUSLIMAH BERSABARLAH
dayan.m...@gmail.com
Kepada saudaraku kaum muslimin dan muslimah dimanapun anda berada,
bila anda membaca artikel-artikel yang ada di forum ini terdapat
beberapa artikel yang intinya memojokan Islam, Muhammad bahkan Allah
Swt. maka bersabarlah, sesungguhnya tipu daya mereka sangat lemah dan
sangat-sangat menggelikan.
Argumen-Argumen mereka hanya isapan jempol, sepihak bahkan tidak ada
dasar sama sekali. Analog yang mereka ajukan tidak relevan sama sekali
bahkan ada kesan mereka CEMBURU DENGAN AGAMA ISLAM. THEY ARE JEALOUS
WITH ISLAM.
WHY? mengapa mereka cemburu? Karena sesungguhnya jauh dalam lubuk
hati mereka menyadari bahwa Agama Islam itu Mutlak Benar tetapi mereka
malu mengakuinya.
WHY? mengapa mereka malu mengakuinya? Karena dalam hati mereka sudah
tertanam rasa iri, dengki, sombong, tidak mau menerima kebenaran yang
hakiki.
BAGAIMANA SIKAP KITA?
Bersabar dan lebih mendekatkan diri kepada Allah, sebab ingatlah
firman Allah dalam Al Qur'an sebagai berikut :
"Artinya : Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak akan senang kepada
kamu hingga kamu mengikuti agama mereka. Katakanlah: "Sesungguhnya
petunjuk Allah itulah petunjuk (yang benar)". Dan sesungguhnya jika
kamu mengikuti kemauan mereka setelah pengetahuan datang kepadamu,
maka Allah tidak lagi menjadi pelindung dan penolong bagimu" [Al
Baqarah :120]
"Artinya : ….Mereka tidak henti-hentinya memerangi kamu sampai
mereka (dapat) mengembalikan kamu dari agamamu (kepada kekafiran),
seandainya mereka sanggup…" [Al Baqarah :217]
Dari beberapa ayat di atas jelaslah bahwa memang kaum non muslim sejak
dahulu kala sudah ada dan bahkan sampai hari kiamat tetap ada.
Oleh sebab itu jangan jauhkan diri dari ajaran Allah tetap teguhkan
iman dan jangan mudah dihasut dan dipecah belah.
Wassalamu 'alaikum wr.wb.
Qtaro
25b7ee...@a6g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
> Assalamu 'alaikum wr.wb.
>
BAGAIMANA SIKAP KITA?
>
> "Artinya : Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak akan senang kepada
> kamu hingga kamu mengikuti agama mereka. Katakanlah: "Sesungguhnya
> petunjuk Allah itulah petunjuk (yang benar)". Dan sesungguhnya jika
> kamu mengikuti kemauan mereka setelah pengetahuan datang kepadamu,
> maka Allah tidak lagi menjadi pelindung dan penolong bagimu" [Al
> Baqarah :120]
>
120. Bukan orang Yahudi, ataupun Nasrani yang akan menerimamu, melainkan
jika kamu mengikut agama mereka. Katakan,"Hanya petunjuk Allah sahaja yang
benar" Jika kamu menyetujui kehendak mereka, setelah kamu menerima ilmu
pengetahuan, kamu akan dapati tidak ada satu perjanjian ataupun penyokong
dapat menolongmu dari Allah.
> "Artinya : ….Mereka tidak henti-hentinya memerangi kamu sampai
> mereka (dapat) mengembalikan kamu dari agamamu (kepada kekafiran),
> seandainya mereka sanggup…" [Al Baqarah :217]
>
217. Mereka menanyakanmu berkenaan bulan bulan suci dan juga berperang
didalam bulan tersebut: katakan, " Peperangan pada bulan bulan itu adalah
berdosa, bagaimanapun, menghalang dari jalan Allah dan tidak percaya
kepadaNya dan mengganggu kesucian Masjid Suci, mengusir orang didalamnya,
lebih besar lagi dosanya disisi Allah. Penindasan itu lebih lagi jahat dari
pembunuhan." Mereka sentiasa akan memerangimu supaya kamu menukarkan
agamamu, itulah yang mereka sentiasa berusaha. Sesiapa diantara kamu yang
menukarkan agama kamu, dan mati dalam tidak mempercayainya, maka segala
amalan mereka akan batal sama sekali, baik didunia ini mahupun diAkhirat
kelak. Mereka adalah penghuni Neraka dan akan tinggal berkekalan didalamnya
untuk selama lamanya.
> Wassalamu 'alaikum wr.wb.
>
>
Nabi Palsu (')--->( ' )©
<dayan.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:0237a0a0-c58b-4576-b319-
25b7ee...@a6g2000prm.googlegroups.com..
"mereka CEMBURU DENGAN AGAMA ISLAM. THEY ARE JEALOUS
WITH ISLAM".
Laaah.......Ali Sina itu bukan orang Catholic loh, jangan lupa, jangan
pernah lupa! Ali Sina itu orang ISLAM. MOSOQ sih orang Islam tinggalkan
Islam lantaran "JEALOUS WITH ISLAM"
Kalo mekoQ, Islam, tinggalkan Islam apakah itu lantaran belio cemburu dengan
Islam?
Atau merasa ketipu oleh Islam?
Haiyaaaaaaaaaaa........
<snip>
Qtaro
news:g6cuem$p8f$1...@registered.motzarella.org:
dari sobjeknya sudah jelas , iku pirman , HAI KAUM MUSLIMIN/MUSLIMAH
BERSABARLAH mereka CEMBURU DENGAN AGAMA ISLAM.
padahil hisstory-é nabi dariÔon , islam iku berserah diri.
ini si þíLL™
news:g6cuem$p8f$1...@registered.motzarella.org :
>
> <dayan.m...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0237a0a0-c58b-4576-b319- 25b7eeab5736
@a6g2000prm.googlegroups.com..
>
> "mereka CEMBURU DENGAN AGAMA ISLAM. THEY ARE JEALOUS
> WITH ISLAM".
>
> Laaah.......Ali Sina itu bukan orang Catholic loh, jangan lupa,
jangan
> pernah lupa! Ali Sina itu orang ISLAM. MOSOQ sih orang Islam
tinggalkan
> Islam lantaran "JEALOUS WITH ISLAM"
>
> Kalo mekoQ, Islam, tinggalkan Islam apakah itu lantaran belio
cemburu
> dengan Islam?
> Atau merasa ketipu oleh Islam?
>
> Haiyaaaaaaaaaaa........
>
> <snip>
>
>
\
banyak nyang cemburu pada eslam, sebab eslam bole berzinah dan nyolong
sakpuwas ati, teteuB masup surga .... asalkan tidak menduakan alloh
swt
bwahahahahahahahhaa, apa nyang dosa dan haram buwat igama2 laen,
justru halal dan menjadi berkah dalam eslam bin objekteeepp
terang aja banyak nyang mencumburui eslam , enaaak benerrr !!!
qw
>> mereka (dapat) mengembalikan kamu dari agamamu (kepada kekafiran),
>>Dari beberapa ayat di atas jelaslah bahwa memang kaum non muslim sejak
>>dahulu kala sudah ada dan bahkan sampai hari kiamat tetap ada.
>> Oleh sebab itu jangan jauhkan diri dari ajaran Allah tetap teguhkan
>>iman dan jangan mudah dihasut dan dipecah belah.
>> Wassalamu 'alaikum wr.wb.
Walaikum'salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh..
terimkasih atas nasihat dan kepeduliannya thd muslim2 disini.
InsyaAllah sayanyah lihat malah muslim2 disini menjadi lebih tebal
imannya, kjarena malah dapat mengetahui dan membedakan bagaimana
"aseline" kedegilan hati orang2 non muslim terutama para nasrani..
kalok tidak adah forum inih tidak akan tau musang nyang berbulu ayam
pan ?
justru para muslim nyang terjbak dengan misiionaris diluwar sanah
perlu membaca dan mengikuti forum inih agar mereka mengetahui "siapa"
sebenarnya para krestener iku..
walaikumsalam wr.wb
qw
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> Walaikum'salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh..
>
> terimkasih atas nasihat dan kepeduliannya thd muslim2 disini.
> InsyaAllah sayanyah lihat malah muslim2 disini menjadi lebih tebal
> imannya, kjarena malah dapat mengetahui dan membedakan bagaimana
> "aseline" kedegilan hati orang2 non muslim terutama para nasrani..
>
> kalok tidak adah forum inih tidak akan tau musang nyang berbulu ayam
> pan ?
>
> justru para muslim nyang terjbak dengan misiionaris diluwar sanah
> perlu membaca dan mengikuti forum inih agar mereka mengetahui "siapa"
> sebenarnya para krestener iku..
>
> walaikumsalam wr.wb
> qw
Assalamu 'alaikum wr.wb
Why should muslims worry about christians or missionaries
in this news forum?
Examples of their so called arguments :
1. Coming to a conclusion that the author of the Quran were
Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Waraka Naufal because
of the word 'we' in the quran. They don't even know the
genus of the semitic language of the usage of 'we'.
Morever Prophet Muhammad (saw) was unlettered and
Waraka Naufal passed away shortly after meeting the
Prophet Muhammad (saw) only once in the street.
2. Claiming that Surah Jinn provides instruction of how to
interact with Jinns. When provided with the link to surah
Jinn and asked to show where in Surah Jinn provides of
such instructions , they dance around and tried their best
to run away from answering the question.
3. Cannot even answer of whom do they believe. Prophet Jesus
(as) who said that he did not die or Paul who said that Jesus
died and was resurrected.
4. Do not even know who is lucifer and claiming it to be the
devil or satan (that met Prophet Muhammad (saw) in Hira
cave) whereas the poor guy was a chistian bishop from
sardinia , italy.
5. Complaining of the fasting of muslims of 12 hours and not
knowing that it is from dawn to dusk but the christian
themselves do not fast.
6. Proud of the verse Mark 16:18 but when challenged to take
poison , they chicken out providing lots of excuses. Then talk
about some fairy tale of a pastor drinking poison in indonesia.
7. Do not even know that the coming of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
has been foretold in the bible. Reference of a comforter or
paraclete.
8. Ridicule about Prophet Muhammad (saw) and Ayesha but
suddenly become quiet when pointed out the same of that
of mary & joseph & the useless and good for nothing holy
ghost.
9. Complaining that there were no eyewitnesses that affirm
the Prophet Muhammad (saw) but not knowing the contents
of last surah revealed in Arafah after the Prophet's last
sermon in front of thousands.
10. Claiming that the Prophet Muhammad (saw) lied that he was
an arab but not knowing that quraish is an arab tribe.
11. Claiming that the prophet lied as he split the moon as the
moon is still whole. However it does not occur to him that
the split moon can be made to come together again.
12. Claiming that god is 3 (like 3 in 1 coffee) which goes
against the first commandment : God is one.
13. Going against the second commandment : do not make
any idols. However we now have idol of the man dying
on the stick (aka cross).
Just take one step back and review the list. Don't you think the
examples of the arguments are very silly? You are right about
'krestner 7 keturunan'.
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com :
> Just take one step back and review the list. Don't you think the
> examples of the arguments are very silly? You are right about
> 'krestner 7 keturunan'.
>
provided your so called mr. QW has the adequate capacity to swallow or
digest even simple english laaaah , ...... but look at you and your
advanced english, terrukkklah your mr.qw , that was why he just ignored
your such-a-long message, ... what a waste, bwahahahahahahhaha
terrruuukkk some more laaaa, boy am I having fun or what :))))
Ke-Arab-Araban
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b283d4e3-4c3b-4e91...@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
"7. Do not even know that the coming of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
> has been foretold in the bible. Reference of a comforter or
> paraclete."
"Comforter" huh? Let's see what my dictionary says about the word
"comforter":
A person who reduces the intensity (e.g., of fears) and calms and pacifies
Sam, do you know or understand what the word "comforter" means?
In order to fit the definition, a comforter must reduce the intensity of
fears, calms and pacify, and not the opposite...do you understand so far
what I am saying?
Now you know of the hundreds or thousands of Hindu worshippers terrorized
and killed at the hands of Muhammed when he robbed the Kaabah temple from
the Hindu worshippers, do you still remember?
Were those acts of comfort? BWAHAHAHA
You made me laugh so hard that I just wet my underwear!
<the remaining messages were deleted in comfort>
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> "Comforter" huh? Let's see what my dictionary says about the word
> "comforter":
>
> A person who reduces the intensity (e.g., of fears) and calms and pacifies
>
> Sam, do you know or understand what the word "comforter" means?
>
> In order to fit the definition, a comforter must reduce the intensity of
> fears, calms and pacify, and not the opposite...do you understand so far
> what I am saying?
>
You 'krestner 7 keturunan' do not even know your own bible.
The missionaries converted your forefathers and left as they
had reached their quota of converting the heathens. Now you
are left behind without any bible teaching.
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete
excerpt : 'Paraclete' appears in the New Testament in the
Gospel of John (14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, 20:22)
where it may be translated in English as "Counselor",
"Helper", or "Comforter".
so now how?
Come on , you used to go by the nick 'nabi palsu' , why are
you so afraid to use it again? I think you are afraid as you still
have not answered the question of of your claim of where in
surah jinn provides the instruction of how to interact with
jinns.
> Now you know of the hundreds or thousands of Hindu worshippers terrorized
> and killed at the hands of Muhammed when he robbed the Kaabah temple from
> the Hindu worshippers, do you still remember?
>
> Were those acts of comfort? BWAHAHAHA
>
> You made me laugh so hard that I just wet my underwear!
>
> <the remaining messages were deleted in comfort>
Now thats new , how did you come to the conclusion that the
the kaabah was a temple for hindus. Pagan arab gods - ok fair
enough. It being hindu is stretching the the imagination akin to
being an idiot like you.
It seems all christians have this habit of shouting 'BWAHAHAHA'.
Are you praying to your god or what?
For your information , I have have deleted cross postings to
other news forums as its just spamming their news forums.
Another one of your bad habits - spamming.
sam1528
Ke-Arab-Araban
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c88faab-0b64-42c0...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
How about pagan arab Hindu gods, fair enough? Are there no arab hindus?
Forget it, whether it is pagan arab gods or pagan hindu arab gods is not
really relevant. The fact remains that Mohammed terrorized and killed them
all! Was that the work of a "comforter"?
Comforter....my foot!
sam...@hotmail.com
> Forget it, whether it is pagan arab gods or pagan hindu arab gods is not
> really relevant. The fact remains that Mohammed terrorized and killed them
> all! Was that the work of a "comforter"?
>
> Comforter....my foot!
>
I have taken out the rest of the news groups as I do not
want to be considered spamming them.
Couple of things about you and your arguments :
1. Firstly you are so afraid to continue using your previous
nick 'nabi palsu' as you still have not answered questions
posted to you.
2. You do not even know the new testament meaning of the
word paraclete when translated to english.
Do you have any proof that the kaaba was a hindu temple?
Now you say its not relevant. You are so inconsistent.
How many people died and what were the circumstances
that they were killed when mecca eventually fell to the
muslims?
All of your arguments and claims seemed to come from
your fantasy. Now you are trying to cross post to other
newsgroups in a hope of trying to get support for your
cause.
sam1528
qw
>> Assalamu 'alaikum wr.wb
walaikumsalam wr.wb sam.
>> Why should muslims worry about christians or missionaries
>> in this news forum?
Moeslem shouldn't worry about the "saliblis" (Devil's Cross) in this
forum
pardon, i prefer not using word "Christian" cause they aren't jesus's
followers
we should worry about the saliblis missionaries outside this forum.
that's my experience (they're look sweet outside there).
when they would like to built a chruch, they're telling about
kindnesss things.
but behind that, they have and evil strategies and hearts..
through this forum we can see their "origin heart"
the moeslem don't know excatly about their "evil heart" behind their
"sweet (looking) ways"
better moeslem know "who" the saliblis are, and this forum describe
their foolishness and deceit
>> Examples of their so called arguments :
>> (your statement 1... to 13... )
of course, anybody (except an idiot) know which arguements out of
honest and clever person, and which out of dumb and evil thought.
it remind me with some persons in this forum :-)
>> Just take one step back and review the list. Don't you think the
>> examples of the arguments are very silly?
their arguments are effective for non educated villagers and children
(under 5 yrs age).
do saliblis know almost of that persons not using internet ?
ha..ha..ha...
You are right about
>> 'krestner 7 keturunan'.
even not a krestener 7 keturunan,
some of them aren't using their brain.
and their faith just like "breakfast" (custom) and "brain storming"
from their school.
anyhow, they're our brother/sister which need help.
>> sam1528
wasalamualaikum wr.wb
qw
qw
>> provided your so called mr. QW has the adequate capacity to swallow or
>> digest even simple english laaaah , ...... but look at you and your
>> advanced english, terrukkklah your mr.qw , that was why he just ignored
>> your such-a-long message, ... what a waste, bwahahahahahahhaha
>> terrruuukkk some more laaaa, boy am I having fun or what :))))
ya..iya laah..
ai pan bukan orang sakolahan.
bukan kayak situnya..
nyang bangga (katanya dan merasa) sakolah dan tingal di hanoper.. :-)
sampek engga bisak bahasa batak'e (nama'e juga jadi2an).
he..he.he...
kalok ai boror2 ngikut tes GMAT atawa GRE
tes TOEFL ajah endak pernah..
kalok pernah mungin hanya dapet skor 100..
jadi tolonglah ai.. yah kon..
kalok adah grammar ai nyang salah, betulin je..
maklumlah ai belajar bahasa engris dari warung tetanga nyang sabelah
gereja tiberias iku loh.. :-)
kalok bahasa enggris ai bagus, justru iku malah aneh.. :-)
yu now ai now lah...
eks-kius mi dulu aahh.. :-)
qw
Ke-Arab-Araban
according to the Bible. In response to that "comforter" shit I asked you how
many people were terrorized and killed during the hostile take-over of the
temple now known as the Ka'abah in Mecca?
And then I asked you, terrorizing and killing innocent people who were
minding their own business, is that the work of a comforter?
Did these innocent worshippers go out of their temple to attack Mohammed, or
did Mohammed sneaked and killed those worshippers?
You have not answered me yet. Again, sneaking and killing innocent
worshippers, is that the work of a "comforter"?
What happened, don't you dare to debate with Joe anymore?
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc4a9999-5950-4c76...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
sam...@hotmail.com
Again I have taken out the other newsgroups as I do not want
to spam them.
> You have not answered me yet. You said that Mohammed is a "comforter"
> according to the Bible. In response to that "comforter" shit I asked you how
> many people were terrorized and killed during the hostile take-over of the
> temple now known as the Ka'abah in Mecca?
>
> And then I asked you, terrorizing and killing innocent people who were
> minding their own business, is that the work of a comforter?
>
> Did these innocent worshippers go out of their temple to attack Mohammed, or
> did Mohammed sneaked and killed those worshippers?
>
> You have not answered me yet. Again, sneaking and killing innocent
> worshippers, is that the work of a "comforter"?
Yeah , Prophet Muhammad (saw) was mentioned as the
paraclete or comforter in your bible. How many people
died when mecca fell to the muslims?
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca
excerpt : '..... Abu Sufyan returned to Mecca empty handed,
these efforts ultimately ensured that the conquest
occurred without battle or bloodshed....'
How many people were killed in the so called hostile take over
of mecca. Zero ....... gasp! (losing my breadth) ...... that many
huh! There were 3 people executed after that. I want you to find
out who they were and why they were executed. You need to
come back with the answers.
>
> What happened, don't you dare to debate with Joe anymore?
>
I dunno. He claimed genocide but until now did not managed
to present any data. The data I presented from Prof A Maddison
showed the opposite as there was positive population growth.
All he managed to respond was 'lie' and 'BWAHAHAHA' (which
I noticed is similar among christians whom have a problem
refuting an argument - are you guys shouting praises to your
so called son of god with - BWAHAHAHA). He then presented
a medical diagnosis of a pedophile which inadvertently
absolved Prophet Muhammad (saw) of such but the medical
diagnosis fitted perfectly with the profile and behavior of your
useless and good for nothing holy ghost starting from mary
and recurring over the ages until currently your spiritual
commander in chief (aka pope) had to apologise for the
recurrence of pedophilia in the church which was and still
is inspired by the useless and good for nothing holy ghost
, no doubt.
Now all he is doing is to post one liners. What do you want
me to do?
How come you are still afraid to show where in surah Jinn
that provides instruction of how to interact with jinns?
sam1528
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d0b714d5-a228-478d...@h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 31, 12:45 am, "Ke-Arab-Araban" <a...@nabimu.com> wrote:
>
> Again I have taken out the other newsgroups as I do not want
> to spam them.
>
Why, are you afraid that Joe will read it?
>> You have not answered me yet. You said that Mohammed is a "comforter"
>> according to the Bible. In response to that "comforter" shit I asked you
>> how
>> many people were terrorized and killed during the hostile take-over of
>> the
>> temple now known as the Ka'abah in Mecca?
>>
>> And then I asked you, terrorizing and killing innocent people who were
>> minding their own business, is that the work of a comforter?
>>
>> Did these innocent worshippers go out of their temple to attack Mohammed,
>> or
>> did Mohammed sneaked and killed those worshippers?
>>
>> You have not answered me yet. Again, sneaking and killing innocent
>> worshippers, is that the work of a "comforter"?
>
>
> Yeah , Prophet Muhammad (saw) was mentioned as the
> paraclete or comforter in your bible.
Where, and how do you know for certain that it was referring to Mohammed as
the comforter? Quote me the exact text from the Bible, ok?
How many people
> died when mecca fell to the muslims?
> ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca
> excerpt : '..... Abu Sufyan returned to Mecca empty handed,
> these efforts ultimately ensured that the conquest
> occurred without battle or bloodshed....'
Bull shit!
Have you read the book "Understanding Muhammed by Ali Sina"?
Also look here http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/islammain.html
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html
I bet you don't even dare to go to these websites...
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> > Again I have taken out the other newsgroups as I do not want
> > to spam them.
>
> Why, are you afraid that Joe will read it?
>
He can read it. I don't mind nor do I care. The way he is
arguing with one liners tells me that he has got nothing
in substance to argue. He has lost. Why are you trying to
hide behind his skirt?
The only reason is that I am not a spammer like you who
floods other newsgroups.
>
--snip--
>
> Where, and how do you know for certain that it was referring to Mohammed as
> the comforter? Quote me the exact text from the Bible, ok?
>
Look under the thread 'Debunking The Lies[=Taqiya] of
Nick "Arah" About Trinity'. This has been explained to
your 'brother in christ' nick 'explain_pls'. Until now he has
problems trying to refute the argument. He is all quiet now.
You even have a problem answering a simple question of
where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to interact
with jinns. Now trying to act tough whereas even the most
basic question you cannot answer. You are nothing more
than an empty vessel - just blowing hot air with no substance
in your argument.
> How many people
>
> > died when mecca fell to the muslims?
> > ref :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca
> > excerpt : '..... Abu Sufyan returned to Mecca empty handed,
> > these efforts ultimately ensured that the conquest
> > occurred without battle or bloodshed....'
>
> Bull shit!
>
There you go. Another delusional person who refuses to
believe hard facts. This reference was taken from the wiki ,
a non islamic webpage.
> Have you read the book "Understanding Muhammed by Ali Sina"?
>
> Also look herehttp://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
>
> http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/islammain.html
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/
>
> http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html
>
> I bet you don't even dare to go to these websites...
>
>
Yeah I have been to the webpages. Most of it is drivel.
Numbers are quoted but with no reference of the derivation
of the data.
Whereas the data I presented was from a proper study ,
done by a proper academician who taught in a proper
university. Refer to the works done by Prof Angus Maddison.
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Maddison
I tend to trust these academicians a hell lot more than those
who write rhetorics and rantings in which people like you
swallow as a whole (then will shout 'BWAHAHAHA')
Ali Sina is just an unknown writer who is afraid to come
face to face for a debate with the muslim debators. Until
now he keeps on giving lame excuses. Islam watch is a
website that has Mr. David Woods as its main contributor.
The link below is a debate featuring Mr. Woods in the topic :
Was Muhammad a True Prophet?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6Mdu8idic
Mr. Woods got his ass kicked by a 20 year old muslim
debator - Sami Zaatari.
That is the quality of your so call heros. Lame isn't it?
sam1528
rinahasan
Sampai akhir zaman syaithan memang tidak akan pernah senang melihat
umat Manusia menyembah Tuhannya dengan benar. al-Quran sudah
menjelaskan dialog yang menyatakan bahwa syaitan memang akan selalu
menggoda manusia dengan berbagai cara.
hinaan kepada agama, provookasi untuk menjelek jelekkan agama juga
salah satu bentuk godaan syaithan bagi umat Manusia apalagi Umat
Islam, sehingga akhirnya bagi mereka mereka yang tidak kuat imannya,
dan terpengaruh maka akan luntur dan goyah dan akhirnya meninggalkan
Islam, inilah yang selalu dicoba dan dilakukan banyak pihak yang
sebenarnya adalah bentuk dari kerjaan syaithan itu sendiri
benar, sebagai muslim/muslimah kita memang harus banyak bersabar,
cacian dan hinaan bagi agama Islam adalah bentuk kerjaan syaithan
melalui anak manusia lainnya. kita jangan sampai goyah karena para
syaithan ini akan terus menggoda dan mencoba menghancurkan iman kita
hingga kiamat nantinya.
hanya saja mari berbuat lebih baik dalam melaksanakan ajaran ajaran
Islam, sehingga kita benar benar bisa menjadi Hamba Allah yang
bertakwa
wassalamualaikum
Qtaro
cfa5c4...@h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
Hamba Allah ?
Kalau memang kita mau berangkat dari pemikiran bahwa tuhan hanya
menciptakan Kebenaran? Lantas semua keburukan, kesalahan itu ciptaan
siapa? Setan, hantu dan genderuwo?
iku adam dan hawa udah dikasih tau utk tidak melanggar perintah'e..
menjauhi buah khuldi iku..
tetapi akibat bujukan setan , he..he..he.. iku adam dan hawa tergoda..
jadi boekan Adam dan Hawa telah berdosa dan telah kehilangan kemuliaan
Allah , tetapi hanya tergoda bujukan setan saja.
72: 1.Katakanlah (hai Muhammad): "Telah diwahyukan kepadaku bahwasanya:
sekumpulan jin telah mendengarkan (Al Qur'an), lalu mereka berkata:
"Sesungguhnya kami telah mendengarkan Al Qur'an yang menakjubkan,
ada nyang salah dalam penapsiran 72:1 ?
Nabi Palsu Asli T
"David G." <dvd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44716320-2ee2-4166...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 1, 5:41 am, Qtaro <pringtu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> iku adam dan hawa udah dikasih tau utk tidak melanggar perintah'e..
>> menjauhi buah khuldi iku..
>> tetapi akibat bujukan setan , he..he..he.. iku adam dan hawa tergoda..
>
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan Adam dan Hawa, Allah sudah tahu bahwa mereka akan
> tergoda dan melanggar perintahNya. Toh, Beliau tetap saja menciptakan
> Adam dan Hawa, meletakkan mereka di taman firdaus, lalu Tuhan duduk
> santai menunggu mereka tergoda, sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya
> sebelumnya.
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan buah terlarang, Allah sudah tahu bahwa buah
> terlarang itu akan dimakan Adam dan Hawa, dan mereka akan terbujuk
> untuk memakannya. Toh, Beliau tetap saja menciptakan buah terlarang,
> meletakannya di taman firdaus, lalu Tuhan duduk santai menunggu mereka
> tergoda, sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya sebelumnya.
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan setan, Allah sudah tahu bahwa setan akan menggoda
> Adam dan Hawa, dan mereka akan terbujuk oleh godaan itu. Toh, Beliau
> tetap saja menciptakan setan, meletakannya di taman firdaus, lalu
> Tuhan duduk santai menunggu mereka tergoda oleh bujukan setan,
> sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya sebelumnya.
>
Sama juga dengan perempuan, sudah tahu beranak bakal sakit setengah mati,
tapi tetap masih mau di kerjain...he he he he
sam...@hotmail.com
>
>
> > died when mecca fell to the muslims?
> > ref :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca
> > excerpt : '..... Abu Sufyan returned to Mecca empty handed,
> > these efforts ultimately ensured that the conquest
> > occurred without battle or bloodshed....'
>
> Bull shit!
>
> Have you read the book "Understanding Muhammed by Ali Sina"?
>
>
> http://www.hinduunity.org/articles/islamexposed/islammain.html
>
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/
>
> http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html
>
> I bet you don't even dare to go to these websites...
>
>
I am a bit free today ....
To follow up on your challenge :
- One of the authors of faithfreedom goes by the name of
aayan hirsi ali. This lady has been exposed to be a liar
and a cheat and was supposed to be deported from the
netherlands for fraudulent declaration of her refugee
status.
ref : http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2006/05/15/ayaan_hirsis_lies_exposed
excerpt : '.... A Dutch TV documentary has alleged that
Ayaan Hirsi Ali told a number of lies .....'
- Ali Sina is just a coward who is so afraid to debate , even
in an audio debate like paltalk. A challenge was made to
him but he was afraid to take up the challenge.
ref : http://muslim-responses.com/Debate_Challenge_to_Ali_Sina/Debate_Challenge_to_Ali_Sina_
He is just another foul mouthed person who cannot argue
coherently
ref : http://muslim-responses.com/Ali_Sina_the_Terrorist/Ali_Sina_the_Terrorist_
Are these your heros? If they are , it tells me a lot about
you. You are just another sheep who cannot think for
himself but just follow , swallow and believe the rhetorics
and rantings of the manipulators.
Quoting Hermann Goering :
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in
Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany.
That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple
matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,
or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All
you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country.”
(Reichsmarschall Goering in the Nuremburg Trial after
WW2)
I will follow up on the Prophet Muhammad (saw) as him
being foretold in the bible in my next post.
Lets see if you are brave enough to counter argue ....
sam1528
Q-ju
48b47a...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
> On Aug 1, 5:41 am, Qtaro <pringtu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> iku adam dan hawa udah dikasih tau utk tidak melanggar perintah'e..
>> menjauhi buah khuldi iku..
>> tetapi akibat bujukan setan , he..he..he.. iku adam dan hawa
tergoda..
>
> Allah Maha Tahu.
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan Adam dan Hawa, Allah sudah tahu bahwa mereka akan
> tergoda dan melanggar perintahNya. Toh, Beliau tetap saja menciptakan
> Adam dan Hawa, meletakkan mereka di taman firdaus, lalu Tuhan duduk
> santai menunggu mereka tergoda, sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya
> sebelumnya.
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan buah terlarang, Allah sudah tahu bahwa buah
> terlarang itu akan dimakan Adam dan Hawa, dan mereka akan terbujuk
> untuk memakannya. Toh, Beliau tetap saja menciptakan buah terlarang,
> meletakannya di taman firdaus, lalu Tuhan duduk santai menunggu mereka
> tergoda, sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya sebelumnya.
>
> SEBELUM menciptakan setan, Allah sudah tahu bahwa setan akan menggoda
> Adam dan Hawa, dan mereka akan terbujuk oleh godaan itu. Toh, Beliau
> tetap saja menciptakan setan, meletakannya di taman firdaus, lalu
> Tuhan duduk santai menunggu mereka tergoda oleh bujukan setan,
> sebagaimana Beliau sudah mengetahuinya sebelumnya.
>
>
“Wahai Rasul, sampaikan apa yang telah diturunkan kepadamu dari
Tuhanmu, dan jika kamu tidak melakukan berarti kamu tidak menyampaikan
risalah-Nya. Allah menjagamu dari bahaya manusia, sesungguhnya Allah
tidak memberi petunjuk kepada orang-orang yang kafir” (Al-Maidah: 67)
iQ lčwat perantara , jadi ilah menjaga dari bahaya manusia dan bukan
bahaya buah terlarang atawa syaiton.
sam...@hotmail.com
> the comforter? Quote me the exact text from the Bible, ok?
>
Just in case you have trouble or pretend to have trouble
looking for the explanation of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
'the paraclete' as foretold in your bible :
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.singapore/browse_thread/thread/b039bb4e96782e96/32cbe8a566d4e643?q=Debunking+The+Lies%5B%3DTaqiya%5D+of&lnk=nl&
look for my post dated : Jul 10 , 10pm
Lets look at the other verses :
Isaiah 21
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2594466
9] And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of
horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is
fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken
unto the ground.
[13] The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye
lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.
[14] The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him
that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that
fled.
[15] For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and
from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war.
[16] For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year,
according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of
Kedar shall fail:
[17] And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty
men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for
the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
The above verses are the so called vision by Prophet Isaiah
(as) (or Prophet Dhulkifl (as)) in your bible. Verse 9 , he had
the vision of the fall of babylon along with its pagan idols.
This prophesy by Prophet Isaiah (as) was fulfilled by the
muslims who are the believers of one god (Allah) and the
consistent message preached by all the great Prophets of
Allah. Verse 13 depicts the 'burden' upon arabia which
simply means that a divine message of judgement will
come from arabia. Quoting this from the Scofield Study
Bible New King James Version, note 1, p. 792. Verses 14
to 17 point out to the fact that Prophet Muhammad (saw)
and the early muslims fled from mecca to escape with their
lives and passed by Tema which currently is Teima
(northeast of Madinah). 2 years after Prophet Muhammad
(saw) and the muslims fled to Madinah , the pagan arabs
in mecca wanted a final solution to the Prophet and the
muslims. Hence the Battle of Badr. In this battle the meccan
arabs (note : arabs are descendents of Kedar) enlisted
mercenaries - Ahabish living near the Habshi mountain
adjacent to Makkah (hence hirelings). They were hired
within the year to fight for and alongside the pagan
meccans. They all lost in the Battle of Badr.
Isaiah 29
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2594466
[11] And the vision of all is become unto you as the words
of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that
is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith,
I cannot; for it is sealed:
[12] And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Verses from Isaiah 29:11-12 points out that that Allah message
was delivered to all of the great prophets but Allah full , final and
preserved message is delivered to a person who is not learned,
(ie. an illiterate person) . Allah angel commanded the person to
read but he responded that he is not learned. This is Allah putting
Allah words into the mouth of an unlearned or illiterate person.
Deut 18
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=741530
[18] I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
[19] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will
require it of him.
Now lets refer to the case of Prophet Muhammad (saw) first
meeting the Archangel Gabriel in Hira.
ref : http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0703-3258
excerpt : "... the angel came unto him and said: "Read! - He
said: "I am not of those who read." 7
He said [in his narrative]: Then he took me and
pressed me until all the strength went out of me;
thereupon he released me and said: "Read!" And I
said: "I am not of those who read." Then he took
me and pressed me a third time; thereupon he
released me and said: "Read in the name of thy
Sustainer Who hath created - created man from
a clot! Read! And thy Sustainer is the Most Bountiful!"
Looking at Isaiah 29:12 and deut 18:18 (... put my words in
his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command
him ....) , the verses fits the description of Prophet Muhammad
(saw) perfectly. Refer to Deut 18:19 , this prophecy is again
fulfilled. If you open the Quran , every chapter begins with 'In the
name of Allah , most gracious , most merciful'.
You can still find Allah revelation in the corrupted bible of yours
if you care to look hard enough. The sentence construction is of
the type I have described earlier in another post under another
thread.
You should come out with a counter argument trying to prove that
I am wrong. You will be hard pressed to do so.
sam1528
Ke-Arab-Araban
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d5db219-c73b-4e18...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 1, 12:50 am, "Nabi Palsu Asli T" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>>
>> Where, and how do you know for certain that it was referring to Mohammed
>> as
>> the comforter? Quote me the exact text from the Bible, ok?
>>
>
> Just in case you have trouble or pretend to have trouble
> looking for the explanation of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
> 'the paraclete' as foretold in your bible :
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.singapore/browse_thread/thread/b039bb4e96782e96/32cbe8a566d4e643?q=Debunking+The+Lies%5B%3DTaqiya%5D+of&lnk=nl&
> look for my post dated : Jul 10 , 10pm
>
> Lets look at the other verses :
> Isaiah 21
> ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2594466
> 9] And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of
> horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is
> fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken
> unto the ground.
Where was Babylon, in Mecca?
> [13] The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye
> lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.
> [14] The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him
> that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that
> fled.
> [15] For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and
> from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war.
> [16] For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year,
> according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of
> Kedar shall fail:
> [17] And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty
> men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for
> the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
Do you know who the God of Israel is ?
>
> The above verses are the so called vision by Prophet Isaiah
> (as) (or Prophet Dhulkifl (as)) in your bible. Verse 9 , he had
> the vision of the fall of babylon along with its pagan idols.
Where is Babylon, in Mecca?
> This prophesy by Prophet Isaiah (as) was fulfilled by the
> muslims
How do you know for sure?
Hey do you think mohammed was the ONLY person who was not learned during the
stone ages?
Allah angel commanded the person to
> read but he responded that he is not learned. This is Allah putting
> Allah words into the mouth of an unlearned or illiterate person.
>
> Deut 18
> ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=741530
> [18] I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
> like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he
> shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
> [19] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken
> unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will
> require it of him.
>
> Now lets refer to the case of Prophet Muhammad (saw) first
> meeting the Archangel Gabriel in Hira.
SHIT, that was not Gabriel! It was that MF fortune teller!
Bwahahahahahahahah again....
> ref : http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0703-3258
> excerpt : "... the angel came unto him and said: "Read! - He
> said: "I am not of those who read." 7
> He said [in his narrative]: Then he took me and
> pressed me until all the strength went out of me;
> thereupon he released me and said: "Read!" And I
> said: "I am not of those who read." Then he took
> me and pressed me a third time; thereupon he
> released me and said: "Read in the name of thy
> Sustainer Who hath created - created man from
> a clot! Read! And thy Sustainer is the Most Bountiful!"
>
> Looking at Isaiah 29:12 and deut 18:18 (... put my words in
> his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command
> him ....) , the verses fits the description of Prophet Muhammad
> (saw) perfectly. Refer to Deut 18:19 , this prophecy is again
> fulfilled. If you open the Quran , every chapter begins with 'In the
> name of Allah , most gracious , most merciful'.
>
> You can still find Allah revelation in the corrupted bible of yours
> if you care to look hard enough. The sentence construction is of
> the type I have described earlier in another post under another
> thread.
>
> You should come out with a counter argument trying to prove that
> I am wrong. You will be hard pressed to do so.
Sam, ALWAYS REMEMBER God is ONE. ALWAYS REMEMBER that God is CONSISTENT! Do
you know what CONSISTENT means? It means that the TRUE GOD never flip-flops,
CONSISTENT ALWAYS!
The SAME yesterday, the SAME today, and the SAME tomorrow. His teaching must
also be the same yesterday, the same today, and the same tomorrow,
understood?
Now you tell me what is the SAME in the Bible, OT and NT and your Al-Qur'an?
What if any? They differ like day and night, like "embe" and "kuda". "Embe"
means "goat" and "kuda" means horse!
Is goat and horse consistent with each other? Is goat the SAME as horse?
Quit running in circles Sam, because Joe is watching you........that is the
simple truth and nothing but the simple truth!
>
> sam1528
>
ini si þíLL™
@registered.motzarella.org :
> Quit running in circles Sam,
the thing eslamer is best at !
ini si þíLL™
655130...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com :
> The above verses are the so called vision by Prophet Isaiah
> (as) (or Prophet Dhulkifl (as)) in your bible. Verse 9 , he had
> the vision of the fall of babylon along with its pagan idols.
> This prophesy by Prophet Isaiah (as) was fulfilled by the
> muslims who are the believers of one god (Allah) and the
> consistent message preached by all the great Prophets of
> Allah. Verse 13 depicts the 'burden' upon arabia
bwahahahahahaah, sure thing pal, you can assume and intepret that part
of Bible in whichever way you muslims want it to , just to make it
looks coinciding the content of the lying man-made Qoran.
That, in short my friend, we call "justification"
now lemme bwahahahahahahahaha some more :))
Sheik Oilee Oleum
> Is goat and horse consistent with each other? Is goat the SAME as horse?
Yes, and yes! Their common denominator is the mooseleem fucking both of
them, sometimes just to make the sheep and camel jealous.
Did you learn anything new today, Mujeeb?
sam...@hotmail.com
>
Nobody said babylon was in mecca. Only deluded people
like you.
--snip--
>
> Do you know who the God of Israel is ?
>
The god of Israel is the same god that we muslims pray
to. Refer to the first and second commandment
1. There is only 1 god
2. Do not make images of god
You christians observe the 10 commandments?
>
>
> > The above verses are the so called vision by Prophet Isaiah
> > (as) (or Prophet Dhulkifl (as)) in your bible. Verse 9 , he had
> > the vision of the fall of babylon along with its pagan idols.
>
> Where is Babylon, in Mecca?
>
Again , nobody except you are claiming that babylon is
in mecca. Poor aren't you.
> > This prophesy by Prophet Isaiah (as) was fulfilled by the
> > muslims
>
> How do you know for sure?
>
It was the muslims that ended paganism in there.
> who are the believers of one god (Allah) and the
>
>
>
--snip--
>
> Hey do you think mohammed was the ONLY person who was not learned during the
> stone ages?
>
Then tell me who among the prophets of Allah that is
liilterate?
> Allah angel commanded the person to
>
--snip--
>
> SHIT, that was not Gabriel! It was that MF fortune teller!
> Bwahahahahahahahah again....
>
You said it not me. If you mean it , you are blaspheming
against your bible. Think carefully .....
That 'Bwahahahahahahahah' again , are you praising your
'son of god'?
>
>
--snip--
>
> Sam, ALWAYS REMEMBER God is ONE. ALWAYS REMEMBER that God is CONSISTENT! Do
> you know what CONSISTENT means? It means that the TRUE GOD never flip-flops,
> CONSISTENT ALWAYS!
>
> The SAME yesterday, the SAME today, and the SAME tomorrow. His teaching must
> also be the same yesterday, the same today, and the same tomorrow,
> understood?
>
Of course. The belief of muslims have always been
consistent with that of the message delivered by the
great prophets of Allah. We do not need to look far.
Lets look at something simple - the 10 commandments
1. God is one - for muslims and jews : god is one
- for christians : god is 3 (however trying
hard to justify that god
is one)
2. Do not make images of god
- for muslims and jews : no images of god
- for christians : image of god as a person
who died on the stick
So who is consistent now? Look at the first 2 of the 10
commandments , you christians are way off the mark.
> Now you tell me what is the SAME in the Bible, OT and NT and your Al-Qur'an?
> What if any? They differ like day and night, like "embe" and "kuda". "Embe"
> means "goat" and "kuda" means horse!
>
> Is goat and horse consistent with each other? Is goat the SAME as horse?
>
This is because the bible has been corrupted by the words
of man. The quran is still the preserved word of god. However
if you look hard enough , you can still find traces of the word
of god in the your bible. A simple question is - where in the
bible that points out to the fact that jesus is god and asking
you to worship him?
> Quit running in circles Sam, because Joe is watching you........that is the
> simple truth and nothing but the simple truth!
>
You have failed reasoning. Now you are looking for an exit.
Joe or Jokerr - naah he is just a loser who cannot argue then
resort to one liners. Its just his pride that keeps him going
whereas he know that he has lost.
Anyway since you like to hide behind his skirt , I have taken
off the other news groups but leaving SCF. You are just a
spammer who likes to flood other newsgroups.
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> bwahahahahahaah, sure thing pal, you can assume and intepret that part
> of Bible in whichever way you muslims want it to , just to make it
> looks coinciding the content of the lying man-made Qoran.
>
> That, in short my friend, we call "justification"
>
> now lemme bwahahahahahahahaha some more :))
In other words you have no counter argument. That is
expected. Anyways , christianity is poor in its theology.
You still have not managed any form of response.
The only response is 'Bwahahahahahahahah'.
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com :
because that's the only thing you deserve , sorry I cant help you:))
then lemme "bwahahahahhahahahahahha" some more even louder
boy , are you giving me good time or what :)))
> sam1528
>
sam...@hotmail.com
> > expected. Anyways , christianity is poor in its theology.
> > You still have not managed any form of response.
> > The only response is 'Bwahahahahahahahah'.
>
> because that's the only thing you deserve , sorry I cant help you:))
>
> then lemme "bwahahahahhahahahahahha" some more even louder
>
> boy , are you giving me good time or what :)))
>
> > sam1528
Expected from a christian who doesn't even know the
contents of his own bible. What to do?
- the missionaries converted your forefathers and then
left you folks behind as they had already fulfilled their
quota of converting the heathens.
Your only defense is denial and shouting
- 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com :
yess, and you muslim you think you are enriched with crapy theology of
christianity ??? bwahahahahahah, when can you quit delucinating ??
bwahahahahahahhahaha, get real pal :))
sam...@hotmail.com
> > contents of his own bible. What to do?
> > - the missionaries converted your forefathers and then
> > left you folks behind as they had already fulfilled their
> > quota of converting the heathens.
>
> > Your only defense is denial and shouting
> > - 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
>
> > sam1528
>
> yess, and you muslim you think you are enriched with crapy theology of
> christianity ??? bwahahahahahah, when can you quit delucinating ??
>
> bwahahahahahahhahaha, get real pal :))
Nope , crappy theology of christianity only belongs to
christianity and it alone. Others are not involved.
Come on , I am waiting for your response to at least
proof that the verses of the bible were wrong of it as
prophesy of Prophet Muhammad (saw). As usual, the
crappy theology of christianity cannot even do that.
You on the other hand is afraid to do so as either you
do not understand the contents of your bible or you are
afraid to blaspheme against your bible. Either way , you
are screwed , that is why you are resorting to denial and
shouting 'Bwahahahahahahahah'.
There you go again - 'Bwahahahahahahahah' - are you
praising your son of god?
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
8f0399...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
> The god of Israel is the same god that we muslims pray
> to.
WRONGGGG!!! DEAD WRONG !
The God of Israel is NOT the MOON GOD !
The God is Israel is NOT homeless that He had to ask mohammad to
attack and rob the Hindu's temple and changed the name to "Kaabah",
and eventually made it Home of Allah , bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
and finally the God of Israel is not the God of "insyaallohhh"!
Got it ?!
ini si þíLL™
@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
yess sam, why is it so hard for you to accept that your argumentation
can only deserve a "bwahahahahahahahahahaha" ???
actually you should be grateful that at least there are people who are
willing to read your post and give their time to put down this
"bwahahahahahah" line
well, thanks anyway for the entertaintment you NG bozo :)))
ini si þíLL™
@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
> There you go again - 'Bwahahahahahahahah' - are you
> praising your son of god?
what, now you regard yourself as "son of god" ??
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, how many more times must I remind you
ssam "get real, quit hallucinating, ..... go wash you face!"
bwahahahahahahahahahhaa, this sammy boy thinks he is the son of god
KIAMAT day must be very near now !
sam...@hotmail.com
> sam1...@hotmail.com wrote in news:8c4eb95d-6862-4011-b9b9-
> 8f0399623...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
>
> > The god of Israel is the same god that we muslims pray
> > to.
>
> WRONGGGG!!! DEAD WRONG !
>
> The God of Israel is NOT the MOON GOD !
>
> The God is Israel is NOT homeless that He had to ask mohammad to
> attack and rob the Hindu's temple and changed the name to "Kaabah",
> and eventually made it Home of Allah , bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> and finally the God of Israel is not the God of "insyaallohhh"!
>
> Got it ?!
Then prove it. So far its all claims and allegations
from you. You need to show proof.
My proof - we do not have to look far , muslims obey
all of the 10 commandments. You christians have
already strayed from the first 2. Need I say more?
Muslims follow the message of all the prophets of
Allah consistently.
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
> can only deserve a "bwahahahahahahahahahaha" ???
>
> actually you should be grateful that at least there are people who are
> willing to read your post and give their time to put down this
> "bwahahahahahah" line
>
> well, thanks anyway for the entertaintment you NG bozo :)))
That is exactly my point. Your lack of counter argument
points to two things :
1. You do not know the contents of your bible
2. You are afraid to contest the verses of your bible
(ie. you are afraid to blaspheme against your bible)
Your only defense :
- denial
- shouting 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
You are not answering my points. You cannot even think
for yourself. You just go around in denial and pretend that
nothing has happened. Its so much easier for you isn't it?
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
>
> bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, how many more times must I remind you
> ssam "get real, quit hallucinating, ..... go wash you face!"
>
> bwahahahahahahahahahhaa, this sammy boy thinks he is the son of god
>
> KIAMAT day must be very near now !
Now you have resorted to lying. Typical of christians ,
you must have learnt this from the christian missionaries
whom are experts in lying.
My challenge is very simple : proof to me that I am
wrong of the verses I quoted from Isaiah which was
the prophesy of Prophet Dhulkifl (as) of it being the
coming of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Are you afraid to challenge to verses of your bible?
Being in denial and shouting 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
will not help. Rather you need to start thinking. By
the way , can you think for yourself instead of asking
your clergy for help.
sam1528
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
indeed quoted word by word. The problem with you and your friends is that
you don't know how to apply them corectly. You can read, but you don't
understand what you are reading, understand? For instance, there is nothing
wrong with a kitchen spatula to clean the sides of a mixing bowl, right? But
what you are doing is using a kitchen spatula to wipe of your anus after you
have a bowel movement.
Now that you should not do.... bwahahahahahah...
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a4d45b94-fb33-4928...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
sam...@hotmail.com
> Sam, the verses that you quoted from the OT were not wrong, if they were
> indeed quoted word by word. The problem with you and your friends is that
> you don't know how to apply them corectly. You can read, but you don't
> understand what you are reading, understand? For instance, there is nothing
> wrong with a kitchen spatula to clean the sides of a mixing bowl, right? But
> what you are doing is using a kitchen spatula to wipe of your anus after you
> have a bowel movement.
> Now that you should not do.... bwahahahahahah...
>
Then you tell me what do they mean. Looks like you
stop short of trying to explain what the verses meant.
To me its simple , you are equivocating.
Shouting 'Bwahahahahahahahah' will not help you. I
must have said this a dozen times but you lot still
do not understand. It looks as if shouting that will
somehow make you feel that you have addressed my
points. Its far from it , you should realise it.
Whichever way you look at the verses , its pretty clear.
Do you need to refer this issue to your priest or clergy?
Can you think for yourself? Are you waiting for the
useless and good for nothing holy ghost to inspire
you?
sam1528
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12517be7-39c7-4f27...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 3, 4:28 pm, "ini si þíLL™" <mBleke...@indo.net> wrote:
> sam1...@hotmail.com wrote in news:8c4eb95d-6862-4011-b9b9-
> 8f0399623...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
>
> > The god of Israel is the same god that we muslims pray
> > to.
>
> WRONGGGG!!! DEAD WRONG !
>
> The God of Israel is NOT the MOON GOD !
>
> The God is Israel is NOT homeless that He had to ask mohammad to
> attack and rob the Hindu's temple and changed the name to "Kaabah",
> and eventually made it Home of Allah , bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> and finally the God of Israel is not the God of "insyaallohhh"!
>
> Got it ?!
Then prove it. So far its all claims and allegations
from you. You need to show proof.
My proof - we do not have to look far , muslims obey
all of the 10 commandments.
*****All of the 10 commandments? Then you must have no clue whatsoever about
the 10 commandments...bwahahahahahahah....
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c4eb95d-6862-4011...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 3:10 am, "Ke-Arab-Araban" <a...@nabimu.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>>
>> Where was Babylon, in Mecca?
>>
>
> Nobody said babylon was in mecca. Only deluded people
> like you.
>
> --snip--
>>
>> Do you know who the God of Israel is ?
>>
>
> The god of Israel is the same god that we muslims pray
> to. Refer to the first and second commandment
> 1. There is only 1 god
> 2. Do not make images of god
> You christians observe the 10 commandments?
>
>>
>>
>> > The above verses are the so called vision by Prophet Isaiah
>> > (as) (or Prophet Dhulkifl (as)) in your bible. Verse 9 , he had
>> > the vision of the fall of babylon along with its pagan idols.
>>
>> Where is Babylon, in Mecca?
>>
>
> Again , nobody except you are claiming that babylon is
> in mecca. Poor aren't you.
>
>> > This prophesy by Prophet Isaiah (as) was fulfilled by the
>> > muslims
>>
>> How do you know for sure?
>>
>
> It was the muslims that ended paganism in there.
>
*****In where, in Babylonia?
********Look, if you want to use the 10 Commandments to prove that Islam is
CONSISTENT with the 10 Commandmends of God, why did you pick only 1 or 2
commandmends, why did you not pick all 10?
Sam, you have to be honest with yourself and with others. Why do you have to
resort to TAQIYAAA and keep running in circles?
Is that all what you know, TAQIYAAAA?
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c4eb95d-6862-4011...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
No one, period! And that's why we are saying that Waraqah ibn Nawfal is the
evil character who had deceived Mohammed into thinking that he is the
prophet of Alloh...
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f4c541f4-ed40-4927...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
******No, I don't need to. If the teachings of Mohammed is not 100%
consistent with the teachings of the Bible, then they must have come from
Waraqah ibn Naufal and the Jinns..
----------------------------------------------------------
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> *****All of the 10 commandments? Then you must have no clue whatsoever about
> the 10 commandments...bwahahahahahahah....
>
Got you again, listed is the 10 commandments in the Quran
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
Now it is looking as if you christians do not have a clue of the
10 commandments. You lot have already broken the first 2
1. you have 3 gods (but trying hard to justify its 1)
2. you have image of god as a person who died on the stick.
Shouting 'bwahahahahahahah' will not help you. You need to
face the truth. So far you have been pretending that nothing
has happened.
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
>
Awww , trying to be cute..... This is what happens when
a person cannot argue or refute an argument. Are you that
bad in your thought process that you cannot even put up a
decent argument?
>
>
--snip--
>
> ********Look, if you want to use the 10 Commandments to prove that Islam is
> CONSISTENT with the 10 Commandmends of God, why did you pick only 1 or 2
> commandmends, why did you not pick all 10?
>
> Sam, you have to be honest with yourself and with others. Why do you have to
> resort to TAQIYAAA and keep running in circles?
>
> Is that all what you know, TAQIYAAAA?
>
Gee whizz , I got you again. Now you are trying to lie your
way out. Of course there is the 10 commandments in the
Quran.
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
Looks like you are the one running around in circles. Next
time , you should spend time looking into your information
before you make a fool of yourself.
Taqiyaaaa - naah , that is a practice of christians and the
christian missionaries. Its has been very evident in all the
posts of you lot.
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
> > liilterate?
>
> No one, period! And that's why we are saying that Waraqah ibn Nawfal is the
> evil character who had deceived Mohammed into thinking that he is the
> prophet of Alloh...
>
>
Remember when you became the laughing stock when you
claimed that waraka naufal co authored the Quran with
Prophet Muhammad (saw). This really show how stupid you
have become in your argument.
1. waraka naufal met the prophet only once and passed away
shortly after that.
2. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was illiterate.
You are coming back to this circular argument again and again.
Idiots never learn .....
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> Whichever way you look at the verses , its pretty clear.
> Do you need to refer this issue to your priest or clergy?
>
> ******No, I don't need to. If the teachings of Mohammed is not 100%
> consistent with the teachings of the Bible, then they must have come from
> Waraqah ibn Naufal and the Jinns..
> ----------------------------------------------------------
Why should the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (saw) be
consistent with the current bible. The current bible have been
corrupted by the words of man. Who were Matthew , Mark ,
Luke and John? Why is it 'gospels according to .....'? They
are not prophets nor are they god.
If you are talking about the Injeel , then the message delivered
by Prophet Muhammad (saw) should be consistent. Where is
the Injeel?
I am challenging you again :
You tell me what the quoted Isaiah verses meant.Looks like
you stop short of trying to explain what the verses meant.
To me its simple , you are equivocating.
This is the third or fourth challenge to you. So far you have
been a chicken. You have not even answered any of the
challenge. You challenged me to look into faith freedom
, I came back with my comments. You challenged me
to comment on the article by Abul Kasem on 'who authored
the quran'. I replied and until now you have chicken out.
Come on , at least be a man this time
sam1528
around.
sam1528
rinahasan
> rinahasan <bundasah...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1bb2c869-2b0d-46b8-ba5d-
>
sebaiknya memahami al quran tidak dengan mengandalkan emosi saja
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f1360932-5921-4dbf...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 3, 6:54 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli ™" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
--snip--
>
> *****All of the 10 commandments? Then you must have no clue whatsoever
> about
> the 10 commandments...bwahahahahahahah....
>
Got you again, listed is the 10 commandments in the Quran
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
*********Look, when we are talking about CONSISTENCY of the 10 commandmends
we are comparing the 10 commandments in the Bible with the so called 10
commandments in the Qur'an, are we not?
But you are comparing the so called 10 commandments of the Qur'an with the
so called 10 commandments, also of the Qur'an.
What's the matter with you, are you still sane?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....
--------------------------------------------
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:87ea6466-b0f9-400b...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 6:56 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli T" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>>
>> *****In where, in Babylonia?
>>
>
> Awww , trying to be cute..... This is what happens when
> a person cannot argue or refute an argument. Are you that
> bad in your thought process that you cannot even put up a
> decent argument?
>
>>
>>
> --snip--
>>
>> ********Look, if you want to use the 10 Commandments to prove that Islam
>> is
>> CONSISTENT with the 10 Commandmends of God, why did you pick only 1 or 2
>> commandmends, why did you not pick all 10?
>>
>> Sam, you have to be honest with yourself and with others. Why do you have
>> to
>> resort to TAQIYAAA and keep running in circles?
>>
>> Is that all what you know, TAQIYAAAA?
>>
>
> Gee whizz , I got you again. Now you are trying to lie your
> way out. Of course there is the 10 commandments in the
> Quran.
The 10 commandments in the Qur'an were Waraqah Naufal's 10 commandments...or
the Jinns 10 commandments......
> ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
>
> Looks like you are the one running around in circles. Next
> time , you should spend time looking into your information
> before you make a fool of yourself.
>
> Taqiyaaaa - naah , that is a practice of christians and the
> christian missionaries. Its has been very evident in all the
> posts of you lot.
In case you have forgotten, the taqiyaa stuff is found in your Qur'an
(Waraqah ibn Naufal ibn Jinn)
>
> sam1528
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d6e077d-2838-45b7...@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 7:08 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli T" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>>
>> > Then tell me who among the prophets of Allah that is
>> > liilterate?
>>
>> No one, period! And that's why we are saying that Waraqah ibn Nawfal is
>> the
>> evil character who had deceived Mohammed into thinking that he is the
>> prophet of Alloh...
>>
>>
>
> Remember when you became the laughing stock when you
> claimed that waraka naufal co authored the Quran with
> Prophet Muhammad (saw). This really show how stupid you
> have become in your argument.
> 1. waraka naufal met the prophet only once and passed away
> shortly after that.
How short, one day, one week, one month, etc.....how short?
> 2. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was illiterate.
The Jinns love illiterate people....because they can easily be fooled and
deceived by the Jinns....!!
sam...@hotmail.com
--anip--
>
> Got you again, listed is the 10 commandments in the Quran
> ref :http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
>
> *********Look, when we are talking about CONSISTENCY of the 10 commandmends
> we are comparing the 10 commandments in the Bible with the so called 10
> commandments in the Qur'an, are we not?
>
> But you are comparing the so called 10 commandments of the Qur'an with the
> so called 10 commandments, also of the Qur'an.
>
> What's the matter with you, are you still sane?
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....
>
Are you cockeyed? Refer to the link again ....
You cannot blame others for your physical deficiency.
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
It shows the consistency of the 10 commandments of what
was revealed to Prophet Moses (as) against what is in the
Quran. Its is definate that the 10 commandments which were
revealed to Prophet Moses (as) in Exodus 12: 1-17 & Deuteronomy
5: 6-21 has been confirmed by and in the Quran. Therefore it
is confirmed that muslims have been consistent in observing
the message delivered by all of the great prophets of Allah.
Your problem is that you are trying to lie your way out. The link
clearly shows a tabulated comparision of the 10 commandments
in Exodus 12: 1-17 & Deuteronomy 5: 6-21 against the Quran.
The stated commandments have been confirmed by the Quran.
However you christians have already broken the first 2 of
the commandments. So what say you?
Do not lie as you will be caught out. I have caught you lying for
more than 5 times already. Are you that thick skinned? You must
have learnt lying from the christian missionaries as they are the
experts in lying.
Shouting 'BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH' will not turn your lie
into truth ......... just in case you do not know or that is what
have been taught by your priest or clergy.
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
>
I leave it to you to find that out.
> > 2. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was illiterate.
>
> The Jinns love illiterate people....because they can easily be fooled and
> deceived by the Jinns....!!
>
Then prove it. So far it has been all empty claims from you.
When asked for proof , you run away.
Idiots never learn ....
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
> > way out. Of course there is the 10 commandments in the
> > Quran.
>
> The 10 commandments in the Qur'an were Waraqah Naufal's 10 commandments...or
> the Jinns 10 commandments......
>
Nope its the original 10 commandments from Allah which
was delivered to Prophet Moses (as) and have been the
consistent message delivered by all of the prophets of
Allah to the seal of the prophets.
However you need to be aware that its not the 10
commandments of the pagan cult that has a believe of the
so called 'son of god' (aka : a guy that died on the stick)
--snip--
>
> In case you have forgotten, the taqiyaa stuff is found in your Qur'an
> (Waraqah ibn Naufal ibn Jinn)
>
This is takiyaaa at its best from you. So far you have not
shown proof of your claim. When ask for proof ..... you run
away as usual. The lying missionaries have tutored you
well.
sam1528
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:430cdb43-eada-4bc6...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 3, 7:16 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli ™" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
--snip--
>
> Whichever way you look at the verses , its pretty clear.
> Do you need to refer this issue to your priest or clergy?
>
> ******No, I don't need to. If the teachings of Mohammed is not 100%
> consistent with the teachings of the Bible, then they must have come from
> Waraqah ibn Naufal and the Jinns..
> ----------------------------------------------------------
--snip--
Why should the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (saw) be
consistent with the current bible.
*********Because they came from the same God, that's why! Remember, God of
Abraham does not flip-flop. With other words God of Abraham does not do this
flip-flop stuff like your Alloh!
----------------------
The current bible have been
corrupted by the words of man.
***********OK, forget about the Bible. The Jewish Bible were also written
and memorized and practiced since Adam and Eve, and it has also the 10
commandments in them. Now how do the Jewish 10 commandments compare with
Waraqah (Jinns) 10 commandments in terms of consistency? How about the story
of Isaac in the Jewish Bible that was totally different than the story of
the same Issac in your Qur'an? It was Ishmael who was sacrified in your
Qur'an, right?
Why? Because of TAQIYAAAAA......
---------------------------
Who were Matthew , Mark ,
Luke and John? Why is it 'gospels according to .....'? They
are not prophets nor are they god.
If you are talking about the Injeel , then the message delivered
by Prophet Muhammad (saw) should be consistent. Where is
the Injeel?
********Forget about the Injeel. You look for consistency between the Jewish
Bible and the Waraqah ibn Naufal ibn Jinn non-sense book....
-----------------------------------
I am challenging you again :
You tell me what the quoted Isaiah verses meant.Looks like
you stop short of trying to explain what the verses meant.
To me its simple , you are equivocating.
This is the third or fourth challenge to you. So far you have
been a chicken. You have not even answered any of the
challenge. You challenged me to look into faith freedom
, I came back with my comments. You challenged me
to comment on the article by Abul Kasem on 'who authored
the quran'.
********The initial author was Waraqah ibn Naufal, then after he passed away
the Jinns inspired and continued his work. This is the simple truth and
nothing but the truth! That's why it is called "SATANIC VERSES" by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
----------------------------
Nabi Palsu Asli ™
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 3, 10:37 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli ™" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
--anip--
>
> Got you again, listed is the 10 commandments in the Quran
> ref :http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
>
> *********Look, when we are talking about CONSISTENCY of the 10
> commandmends
> we are comparing the 10 commandments in the Bible with the so called 10
> commandments in the Qur'an, are we not?
>
> But you are comparing the so called 10 commandments of the Qur'an with the
> so called 10 commandments, also of the Qur'an.
>
> What's the matter with you, are you still sane?
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....
>
Are you cockeyed? Refer to the link again ....
You cannot blame others for your physical deficiency.
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
It shows the consistency of the 10 commandments of what
was revealed to Prophet Moses (as) against what is in the
Quran.
*****Moses says, Thou shall not lie!
Qur'an says TAQIYAAA...
Moses says, Thou shall not commit adultery
Qur'an says adultery is ok as long as you have marriage(s) certificate(s).
Moses says, You shall worship only God.
Qur'an says, You shall worship the Kaa'bah 5 times a day.
Moses says, Keep the Sabbath HOLY!
Qur'an says, What is the Sabbath?
etc, etc, etc
------------------------
Nabi Palsu Asli T
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 3, 10:48 pm, "Nabi Palsu Asli T" <maks...@nabiasli.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>>
>> How short, one day, one week, one month, etc.....how short?
>>
>
> I leave it to you to find that out.
>
>> > 2. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was illiterate.
>>
>> The Jinns love illiterate people....because they can easily be fooled and
>> deceived by the Jinns....!!
>>
>
> Then prove it.
Prove what? That the Jinns love illiterate people...because they can easily
be fooled and deceived?
That's common sense man, and common knowledge....bwahahahahahahah....
barayun
"Qtaro" <pring...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g6ulof$b4v$1...@aioe.org...
> rinahasan <bunda...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1bb2c869-2b0d-46b8-ba5d-
> cfa5c4...@h17g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Assalamualaikum
>>
>> Sampai akhir zaman syaithan memang tidak akan pernah senang melihat
>> umat Manusia menyembah Tuhannya dengan benar. al-Quran sudah
>> menjelaskan dialog yang menyatakan bahwa syaitan memang akan selalu
>> menggoda manusia dengan berbagai cara.
>>
>> hinaan kepada agama, provookasi untuk menjelek jelekkan agama juga
>> salah satu bentuk godaan syaithan bagi umat Manusia apalagi Umat
>> Islam, sehingga akhirnya bagi mereka mereka yang tidak kuat imannya,
>> dan terpengaruh maka akan luntur dan goyah dan akhirnya meninggalkan
>> Islam, inilah yang selalu dicoba dan dilakukan banyak pihak yang
>> sebenarnya adalah bentuk dari kerjaan syaithan itu sendiri
>>
>> benar, sebagai muslim/muslimah kita memang harus banyak bersabar,
>> cacian dan hinaan bagi agama Islam adalah bentuk kerjaan syaithan
>> melalui anak manusia lainnya. kita jangan sampai goyah karena para
>> syaithan ini akan terus menggoda dan mencoba menghancurkan iman kita
>> hingga kiamat nantinya.
>>
>> hanya saja mari berbuat lebih baik dalam melaksanakan ajaran ajaran
>> Islam, sehingga kita benar benar bisa menjadi Hamba Allah yang
>> bertakwa
>>
>>
>> wassalamualaikum
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hamba Allah ?
>
> Kalau memang kita mau berangkat dari pemikiran bahwa tuhan hanya
> menciptakan Kebenaran? Lantas semua keburukan, kesalahan itu ciptaan
> siapa? Setan, hantu dan genderuwo?
>
> iku adam dan hawa udah dikasih tau utk tidak melanggar perintah'e..
> menjauhi buah khuldi iku..
> tetapi akibat bujukan setan , he..he..he.. iku adam dan hawa tergoda..
>
> jadi boekan Adam dan Hawa telah berdosa dan telah kehilangan kemuliaan
> Allah , tetapi hanya tergoda bujukan setan saja.
>
> 72: 1.Katakanlah (hai Muhammad): "Telah diwahyukan kepadaku bahwasanya:
> sekumpulan jin telah mendengarkan (Al Qur'an), lalu mereka berkata:
> "Sesungguhnya kami telah mendengarkan Al Qur'an yang menakjubkan,
>
> ada nyang salah dalam penapsiran 72:1 ?
iQ bocah mah ngomonge sok pintar, sok elmu tinggi bae, tapi gak nangkep2....
pan sudah di sebutin kemaren2 udah pernah dengar blon '.....panggung
sandiwarah..'
apa situnyah gak pernah denger saruga dan noraka..? dan siapa siapa bakal
panghuninya..?
misik muter muter maneh......
sam...@hotmail.com
>
> Why should the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (saw) be
> consistent with the current bible.
>
> *********Because they came from the same God, that's why! Remember, God of
> Abraham does not flip-flop. With other words God of Abraham does not do this
> flip-flop stuff like your Alloh!
>
Can you explain what is the so called flip flop? I do not believe
you can back up your claim. In fact when push come to shove
, believe me - you will run away.
How come you claim that the teaching in the current bible come
from the same god glorified by Prophet Abraham (as)?
Prophet Abraham (as) preached monotheism. This message
has been consistent with all of the message delivered by the
great prophets of Allah. Muslims believe in monotheism.
However you christians have diverted from the message that
was delivered by Prophet Abraham (as). You lot believe in the
3 in 1 god. What utter nonsense. The flipping and flopping is
from you christians. Trying to cover your weakness huh? Can
you show me where did ever Prophet Abraham (as) testified
of the 'son of god' and/or the useless and good for nothing
holy ghost? You will run away again ..... believe me.
Another simple example is the covenant that Prophet Abraham
(as) had with Allah. One of it is the rite of circumcision. Do
you christians observe it? No you don't ... Even Prophet Jesus
(as) was circumcised when he was 8 days old. Luke 2:21
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4609530
[21] And when eight days were accomplished for the
circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS,
which was so named of the angel before he was conceived
in the womb.
Suddenly out of the blue , your 'apostle' paul , comes up with
something else - 1 Cor 7:10
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5088347
[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing,
but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Therefore the flip-flop comes from you christians along with
your bible. Do not point at others of what you are solely guilty
of. In other words , you are just a liar as being well tutored
by your lying missionaries.
----------------------
> The current bible have been
> corrupted by the words of man.
>
> ***********OK, forget about the Bible. The Jewish Bible were also written
> and memorized and practiced since Adam and Eve, and it has also the 10
> commandments in them. Now how do the Jewish 10 commandments compare with
> Waraqah (Jinns) 10 commandments in terms of consistency? How about the story
> of Isaac in the Jewish Bible that was totally different than the story of
> the same Issac in your Qur'an? It was Ishmael who was sacrified in your
> Qur'an, right?
>
> Why? Because of TAQIYAAAAA......
>
So now forget about the bible. You started your response
stating that your bible is consistent with the message from
the god of Prophet Abraham (as) and god does not flip- flop.
Now you have been cornered with the facts that it is you
christians , your believe and your bible are the ones flipping
and flopping - suddenly you change your stance. Now you
are being inconsistent and trying to run away.
Before it was waraka naufal and now its warakah naufal and
jinns. You are just an idiot trying your level best to be an idiot.
Again refer to the following link :
ref : http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
Its is self explanatory about the confirmation of the original
10 commandments by the Quran. Take note - its not the
10 commandments of the pagan cult of a guy that died on
the stick.
Now its interesting about Isaac & Ishmael. It is so easy to
hit you on this one. Of course it is Prophet Ishmael (as)
that was sacrificed and not Prophet Isaac (as) as what has
been stated in the Quran.
Now lets expose the corruption in your bible.
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
Now tell me , who came first Ishmael or Isaac? You can
refer to Gen 17. In Gen 17:19 it was stated that god will
establish his covenant with Isaac. However in gen 22:2
and gen 22:12 it states .... 'only son'..... You should bear
in mind that Ishmael is 13 years older than Isaac. If its
the sacrifice of the 'only son' , it should be Ishmael as
Isaac was not even born yet. However you christians being
liars argue that since Ishmael is the son of hagar , sarah's
handmaid , he lost his birthright when Isaac was born.
This is utter deception and rubbish as in deut 21:15-17
stated that the first born is still the first born with the
birth right of the first born.
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=741530
Refer to gen 15:18
ref ; http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram,
saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river
of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
The people of the land between egypt and river euphrates are
arabs (from the seed of Ishmael).
Finally , even the bible admits that it has been tampered with
- jeremiah 8:8
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2808522
[8] How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is
with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the
scribes is in vain.
You should realise that the takiya is from you christians
with the corruption in your bible. There is so much
contradictions in the affairs regarding Prophets Isaac (as)
and Ishmael (as). Logically only son will mean Ishmael
as at that time Isaac was not even born yet. The description
between egypt & river euphrates is referenced to the arabs
as they inhibit the area. Even jeremiah 8:8 acknowledge that
the scriptures have been tampered by the works of man.
So now how?
--snip--
>
> ********Forget about the Injeel. You look for consistency between the Jewish
> Bible and the Waraqah ibn Naufal ibn Jinn non-sense book....
>
Well now its warka naufal bin jinn. How come you change
your stance so very often. You are really making yourself
to be an idiot of the highest order. All I am asking is proof
that the Quran is now from waraka naufal bin jinn. You will
run away again ......
--snip--
>
> ********The initial author was Waraqah ibn Naufal, then after he passed away
> the Jinns inspired and continued his work. This is the simple truth and
> nothing but the truth! That's why it is called "SATANIC VERSES" by
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
>
> ----------------------------
>
Now its 'satanic verses'. Did you read the link. I am sure you
did not read it. The so called 'satanic verses' was coined by
the islamophobe - william muir. This has got nothing to do
with waraka naufal or jinns. The so called non muslim scholars
of islam - half supported it and the other half rejected it to be a
fabrication. All muslim scholars rejected it to be a fabrication.
Regardless of what it is , if its a fabrication , it proves that
Prophet Muhammad (saw) received divine revelation.
I am a tolerant person , lets say I agree with you (which in
principle I do not) , this is also proof that the Prophet Muhammad
(saw) is a true prophet. This is because of the fact that in the
article , the so called error was corrected by Archangel Gabriel
(ie. ....Gabriel chastised Muhammad ...). Like a true prophet of
god he retracted the words and the persecution of the meccans
resumed (ie . .... Muhammad took back his words and the
persecution by the Meccans resumed ...).
Either way , it is proof that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is a
prophet of Allah.
See , I don't have trouble responding to your claims. In fact ,
it is so easy refuting you. My standing question :
- where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
is as follows :
ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
You have been running away from answering this question for
more than 5 times ........ you are just a cheap lying coward.
sam1528
Waraqah Naifal
<sam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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******Ishmael came first. But after Isaac was born, Genesis 21:2-7, Ishmael
was kicked out from his house by his own father Abraham, Genesis 21:14. So
after Genesis 21 Ishmael was no longer present in the house of Abraham. He's
gone with the wind, so to speak.
So his "only son" at that time who was still living with Abraham was Isaac,
since Ishmael and Hagar were already kicked out from the house as stated in
Genesis 21, understood?
Then....then....then...in Genesis 22 you'll read about Isaac who was
sacrified by Abraham, and not Ishmael. This makes sense and logically
accurate because in Genesis 22 Ishmael is nowhere to be found in the
vicinity because he was already kicked out from the house in Genesis 21. So
what was left in Genesis 22 was Isaac, Abraham's "only son".
What do you say, run around in circles again?
-------------------------------
ini si þíLL™
$1...@registered.motzarella.org :
> Therefore the flip-flop comes from you christians along with
> your bible. Do not point at others of what you are solely guilty
> of. In other words , you are just a liar as being well tutored
> by your lying missionaries.
>
never forget its islam that teaches TAQIYA is okay !! something that
you cannot find in ANY teachings of any other religions
only in islam lying for the sake of alloh swt is allowed
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, bwahahahahahahahahahhahaha,
bwahahahahahahahahahaha, bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......... now go to hell with your Taqiya
that's why Alloh SWT is NOT God Almighty !!! coz God never lie, okay?!
ini si þíLL™
> iQ bocah mah ngomonge sok pintar, sok elmu tinggi bae, tapi gak
> nangkep2....
>
bwahahahahahahahahahahahah, copy'annya meneeer OON
pendatang "baroe" tapi dah PhD men-dongok2i penghuni lama
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha, eslamer getooo loh :))
ini si þíLL™
@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com :
> On Aug 3, 4:32 pm, "ini si þíLL™" <mBleke...@indo.net> wrote:
> --snip--
>> yess sam, why is it so hard for you to accept that your
argumentation
>> can only deserve a "bwahahahahahahahahahaha" ???
>>
>> actually you should be grateful that at least there are people who
are
>> willing to read your post and give their time to put down this
>> "bwahahahahahah" line
>>
>> well, thanks anyway for the entertaintment you NG bozo :)))
>
>
> That is exactly my point. Your lack of counter argument
> points to two things :
> 1. You do not know the contents of your bible
> 2. You are afraid to contest the verses of your bible
> (ie. you are afraid to blaspheme against your bible)
>
> Your only defense :
> - denial
> - shouting 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
>
> You are not answering my points. You cannot even think
> for yourself. You just go around in denial and pretend that
> nothing has happened. Its so much easier for you isn't it?
>
> sam1528
>
yess sam, why is it so hard for you to accept that your argumentation
can only deserve a "bwahahahahahahahahahaha" ???
actually you should be grateful that at least there are people who are
willing to read your post and give their time to put down this
"bwahahahahahah" line
ini si þíLL™
cbde2f...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
> sebaiknya memahami al quran tidak dengan mengandalkan emosi saja
>
harus kayak kang mamad juga, perlok makek sahwat paedopilik juga yach
barayun
"ini si þíLLT" <mBle...@indo.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9AF01C16870...@208.49.82.60...
lumajan 'kan mBill...biyar nambah sing bakal lo 'bwahahaha in'.. dari pada
sakperti pernah katane eloh opo opung kopral
nyang ngomonge donia rasakne bak dalam sel tanpa 'bwahaha' di NG.
tapi inget baek2 mBill...sakperti katane Sam :
'Shouting 'bwahahahahahahah' will not help you. You need to face the
ruth.' --let shouting with argue--
like apid. ..what a good poster.
barayun
but you have to remember ... that God ought never die too...
ini si þíLL™
bentuk "ought + never", ..... what is the kam-sud ????
ini si þíLL™
>
> "ini si þíLLT" <mBle...@indo.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AF01C16870...@208.49.82.60...
>> "barayun" <hkl...@x-pirvat.org> wrote in news:4895e7e6@x-
privat.org :
>>
>>> iQ bocah mah ngomonge sok pintar, sok elmu tinggi bae, tapi gak
>>> nangkep2....
>>>
>>
>> bwahahahahahahahahahahahah, copy'annya meneeer OON
>>
>> pendatang "baroe" tapi dah PhD men-dongok2i penghuni lama
>>
>>
>> bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha, eslamer getooo loh :))
>
> lumajan 'kan mBill...biyar nambah sing bakal lo 'bwahahaha in'..
dari pada
> sakperti pernah katane eloh opo opung kopral
> nyang ngomonge donia rasakne bak dalam sel tanpa 'bwahaha' di NG.
> tapi inget baek2 mBill...sakperti katane Sam :
> 'Shouting 'bwahahahahahahah' will not help you. You need to face the
> ruth.'
bwahahahahahahahah , tuhhh kan this helps me a whole loottttttt
bwahahahahahahahahahahhaha cah samiun kok diprocaya,
bwahahahahahahahah
wong'e wis dipentungin rame2 :)))
--let shouting with argue--
> like apid. ..what a good poster.
>
bwahahahahahahahah Apeed memamng dari dulu masup flip-flop, kiri
enggak kanan ogah, selatan okaay, barat nggak nolak
sampe2 belio kendiri sering ngaku kabingungan :)))
>
barayun
prinsip/pondirian ndak bakalan berujung..
tapi paling tidak .. blio selalu merespon dengan santun..
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> Are you cockeyed? Refer to the link again ....
> You cannot blame others for your physical deficiency.
> ref :http://www.islam-usa.com/e70.htm
>
> It shows the consistency of the 10 commandments of what
> was revealed to Prophet Moses (as) against what is in the
> Quran.
>
> *****Moses says, Thou shall not lie!
> Qur'an says TAQIYAAA...
>
> Moses says, Thou shall not commit adultery
> Qur'an says adultery is ok as long as you have marriage(s) certificate(s).
>
> Moses says, You shall worship only God.
> Qur'an says, You shall worship the Kaa'bah 5 times a day.
>
> Moses says, Keep the Sabbath HOLY!
> Qur'an says, What is the Sabbath?
>
> etc, etc, etc
>
Show where in the quran that states of such. You can't
because its not there. I am challenging you again.
You can't even answer a simple question :
- where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
is as follows :
ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
You have been running away from answering this question for
more than 5 times
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
Again I have left out the other news forums. Why do you need
to flood other news forums. Do you think the people in SCF is
interested in all these?
>
> Now lets expose the corruption in your bible.
> ref :http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
> Now tell me , who came first Ishmael or Isaac?
>
> ******Ishmael came first. But after Isaac was born, Genesis 21:2-7, Ishmael
> was kicked out from his house by his own father Abraham, Genesis 21:14. So
> after Genesis 21 Ishmael was no longer present in the house of Abraham. He's
> gone with the wind, so to speak.
>
Bzzzt! Wrong! If he is no longer the son why then in gen 25:9
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[9] And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of
Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite,
which is before Mamre;
Gen 25:9 (.. his sons ...) makes you look like an idiot.
In addition in deut 21:15-17
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=741530
[15] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated,
and they have born him children, both the beloved and the
hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
[16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that
which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved
firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the
firstborn:
[17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the
firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath:
for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the
firstborn is his.
The firstborn always has the rights of the first born regardless
of the mother.
> So his "only son" at that time who was still living with Abraham was Isaac,
> since Ishmael and Hagar were already kicked out from the house as stated in
> Genesis 21, understood?
>
> Then....then....then...in Genesis 22 you'll read about Isaac who was
> sacrified by Abraham, and not Ishmael. This makes sense and logically
> accurate because in Genesis 22 Ishmael is nowhere to be found in the
> vicinity because he was already kicked out from the house in Genesis 21. So
> what was left in Genesis 22 was Isaac, Abraham's "only son".
>
> What do you say, run around in circles again?
>
This is ample proof of the corruption in your bible. The people
who corrupted it did not do a good job as they left traces of
verses that can challenge the corruption they introduced. How
can it be logical that Prophet Isaac (as) be the only son in view
of gen gen 25:9 and deut deut 21:15-17.
Its far more logical that Prophet Ishmael (as) was the only son
at that time as Prophet Isaac (as) was not even born yet. You
lying again huh?
My standing question :
- where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
is as follows :
ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
You have been running away from answering this question for
more than 5 times
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
>
> "ini si þíLLT" <mBle...@indo.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AF06B28EBB...@208.49.82.60...
>> "barayun" <hkl...@x-pirvat.org> wrote in news:48966315@x-
belom temptu belionya sadar demikian, mengingat belio saja sering
kebingungnan, that's why he 's a flip and a flop, as he admitted it
once
> tapi paling tidak .. blio selalu merespon dengan santun..
>
>
>
>
merespon dengan santun kamsudnya sakperti nyang dia nya lalukan pada
ente , mitsalnya ada postingan ente soal eslam nyang dia respon dengan
cerita nyang gak ada hubungannya sama sekalee dengan substansi
postingan ente, dengan maksud membelokkan (baca : menetraliser) arah
pembicaraan ?? begetooo ???
ahhh soal santun mahhh, penjahat lihay pun bisa lakukan itu, gampeell
malah kata nya jaoooh lebbi "aman" bergaul dengan orang nyang
terang2an kaliatan jaatnya (jadi kita udah waspada duluan) ketimbang
dng nyang di luar kaliatan santun tapi tiba2 menikam dari belakang,
sebab penampilan bisa menipu .... hehehehehehe
hehehehehehehehehehe , and bwahahahahahahahahaha too
ini si þíLL™
news:622d0cca-50bd-4a3e...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com
:
>
> My standing question :
> - where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
> interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
> is as follows :
> ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
> You have been running away from answering this question for
> more than 5 times
>
> sam1528
>
stop being ignorant if you dont want that question remains standing
:))
>
nobody
news:Xns9AF08813F6E...@208.49.82.60 :
> malah kata nya jaoooh lebbi "aman" bergaul dengan orang nyang
> terang2an kaliatan jaatnya (jadi kita udah waspada duluan) ketimbang
> dng nyang di luar kaliatan santun tapi tiba2 menikam dari belakang,
> sebab penampilan bisa menipu .... hehehehehehe
>
> hehehehehehehehehehe , and bwahahahahahahahahaha too
>
sapa tahu Apeed iku "sweet psychopat" .... kayak si Ryan dari Jombang
bwahahahahahahaha, sorry Peed , nggak perlok tresenggong kalok ente
memang bokan psykopat beneran :))))
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> yess sam, why is it so hard for you to accept that your argumentation
> can only deserve a "bwahahahahahahahahahaha" ???
>
> actually you should be grateful that at least there are people who are
> willing to read your post and give their time to put down this
> "bwahahahahahah" line
Words of a person who has lost in his argument. You cannot
even answer my questions or arguments.
Quoting 1pet3:15 : a christian must always answer questions
put forward by others :
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5339860
[15] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready
always to give an answer to every man that asketh you
a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and
fear:
Refusal to answer my questions is very unchristian of you,
don't you think so? Reminder - shouting 'bwahahahahahah'
is not an answer. It merely shows your mentality of escapism.
If you cannot think for yourself , why not ask your priest
or clergy for help. What is so difficult?
In my next post I will show proof that in your bible your so
called 'son of god' is the by product of incest of his forefathers
following his genealogy. Thats for tomorrow ....
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com :
bwahahahahahaha, where is your answer sam ? what is your stance ?
give us quality write-up, dont just mess NG with all those moronic
craps of yours
you can do better than this, I am sure
bwahahahahahahahahahahahhaahah, you just make me happier and healthier
every time you jabbering about my mBwahahahahahahaha
sam...@hotmail.com
> sam1...@hotmail.com wrote innews:622d0cca-50bd-4a3e...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com
Running away again? Reminder , shouting 'bwahahahahahah'
does not answer the question.
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
a43e7a...@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com :
> On Aug 4, 2:27 pm, "ini si þíLL™" <mBleke...@indo.net> wrote:
>> sam1...@hotmail.com wrote innews:622d0cca-50bd-4a3e-b755-
c6db4f8560fa@i20
> g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > My standing question :
>> > - where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
>> > interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
>> > is as follows :
>> > ref :http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
>> > You have been running away from answering this question for
>> > more than 5 times
>>
>> > sam1528
>>
>> stop being ignorant if you dont want that question remains standing
>> :))
>>
>>
>
> Running away again? Reminder , shouting 'bwahahahahahah'
> does not answer the question.
>
> sam1528
>
you have problem with your sight sammmy boy ?
I am here, staying put, save and sound , and kind enough to spare my
time responding to all your craps (you should be lucky that at least
someone "appreciates" your islamic rubbish)
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> you have problem with your sight sammmy boy ?
>
> I am here, staying put, save and sound , and kind enough to spare my
> time responding to all your craps (you should be lucky that at least
> someone "appreciates" your islamic rubbish)
Well then answer the question. Why are you so afraid to
answer the question? You can fill in for nick 'nabi palsu'.
I do not expect you to be able to do that. Christianity has
very poor theology. That is why you see christians are
only capable of responding with 'bwahahahahahah'.
Most of my argument is taken from your bible to show
that it has been corrupted. So if you want to respond ,
you need to know your bible which I do not think you
really know what is the contents of your bible.
See you tomorrow then.
sam1528
ini si þíLL™
> On Aug 4, 2:27 pm, "ini si þíLL™" <mBleke...@indo.net> wrote:
>> sam1...@hotmail.com wrote innews:622d0cca-50bd-4a3e-b755-
c6db4f8560fa@i20
> g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > My standing question :
>> > - where in surah jinn that provides instruction of how to
>> > interact with jinns. To make easy for you - surah jinn
>> > is as follows :
>> > ref :http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/72.htm
>> > You have been running away from answering this question for
>> > more than 5 times
>>
>> > sam1528
>>
>> stop being ignorant if you dont want that question remains standing
>> :))
>>
>>
>
> Running away again? Reminder , shouting 'bwahahahahahah'
> does not answer the question.
>
> sam1528
you have problem with your sight sammmy boy ?
ini si þíLL™
@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com :
what is your answer sammy boy ??? make it clear, dont just throwing
garbages to NG , at least have a little sense with your thoughts
above only belongs to the trash can, but thanks for your time and
troubling yourself posting it away
bwahahahahahahhahahhhahhahhahahahhahaha, boy dont I love this "game",
playing around with a circus bozo :))
qw
>> Your only defense is denial and shouting
>> - 'Bwahahahahahahahah'
what else he can do ?
qw
>> malah kata nya jaoooh lebbi "aman" bergaul dengan orang nyang
>> terang2an kaliatan jaatnya
ngaku ja'at ni je ?
good...good..
>>(jadi kita udah waspada duluan) ketimbang
>> dng nyang di luar kaliatan santun tapi tiba2 menikam dari belakang,
>> sebab penampilan bisa menipu .... hehehehehehe
kalok situnya ja'at jangan sukak menilai orang lain sakperti situnya..
inih tipical si palkon saragih..
tidak adah orang nyang lebih baek dari dianyah..
kalok dianyah ja'at orang laen jugak dianggap ja'at..
kalok pikiran'e cabul, roang laen dianggap pikrian'e samak kayak
dianyah..
ha..ha..ha..
sori kon, kartu situnya sayanyah buka je.. :-)
donie
> Come on , I am waiting for your response to at least
> proof that the verses of the bible were wrong of it as
> prophesy of Prophet Muhammad (saw). As usual, the
> crappy theology of christianity cannot even do that.
The burden of proving that bible verses prophesying islam prophet
should rest with muslims, don't you agree Sam?
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> The burden of proving that bible verses prophesying islam prophet
> should rest with muslims, don't you agree Sam?
Hi - how's it going?
Its a fair assertion that the burden of proof is on the
person making the claim - I agree with that. The same
cannot be said for nick 'nabi palsu & his other names'
and 'mbill'. They can never present a decent argument.
Refer to my post dated Aug 2 , 11.57 pm
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indonesia/browse_thread/thread/f4fd02e6b2d63245/e720b8d5bbe46b78
I presented the verses and the tests to the verses. It is
ample proof. I am waiting for the counter argument.
So far none except 'Bwahahahahahahahah'. Thats not
much of an argument is it?
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
:)
expla...@yahoo.com
To understand Muslims, one must understand their prophet. Muslims
worship and emulate Muhammad. Islam is Muhammadanism. Only by
understanding him can one know what makes them tick.
Understanding Muhammad is a psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. It
seeks to unveil the mystery of that man. Historians tell us Muhammad
used to withdraw to a cave, spending days wrapped in his thoughts. He
heard bells ringing and had ghostly visions. He thought he was demon
possessed, until his wife reassured him he had become a prophet.
Convinced of his status, he was intolerant of those who rejected him,
assassinated those who criticized him, raided, looted, and massacred
entire populations. He reduced thousands to slavery, raped, and
allowed his men to rape female captives. All of this, he did with a
clear conscience and a sense of entitlement.
He was magnanimous toward those who admired him, but vengeful toward
those who did not. He believed he was the most perfect human creation
and the universe's raison d'être. Muhammad was no ordinary man. He was
a narcissist.
Understanding Muhammad, ventures beyond the stories. Focusing on the
"why" rather than the "what," it unravels the mystique of one of the
most enigmatic and influential men in history.
Muhammad believed in his own cause. He was so certain of the reality
of his hallucinations that he expected everyone to believe too. He
would make his Allah indignantly ask “What! Do you then dispute with
him [Muhammad] as to what he saw?” (Q.53:12) This is psychopathology.
Why should others believe in what he saw? Wasn't it up to him to prove
what he saw was real? Only a narcissist expects others to believe in
his claims without asking for evidence.
Muhammad was an orphan. Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left
in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood. He then
passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him
and spoiled him. Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional
love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about
boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait
that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience. He fantasized about
unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was
special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his
ideas and plans. He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet
believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when
rejected, even killing those who deserted him. He lied and deceived,
feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of
narcissistic personality disorder.
Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet
of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and
divine intimations. When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and
other ghostly entities, he was not lying. His problem was that he
could not distinguish reality from fantasy.
He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his
fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. This explains why
he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so
many absurd rules.
[[[[ If you think Islamic terrorism is a new phenomenon, think again.
Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted, “I
have been made victorious with terror". [Bukhari: 4.52. 220] Since the
day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror.
His followers have been doing the same ever since]]]].
Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are
highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated
preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others
and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is
psychopathology. In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected
by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth
hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and
coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue.
Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in
his early 60s. It causes impotence, while it increases libido. This
explains Muhammad's sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the
later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex. He
would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them,
without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity,
paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to
cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them.
Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad
was impotent. Muhammad's illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of
Islam.
The combination of all these psychological disorders and his unusual
physiognomy made Muhammad a phenomenon that set him apart from
ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences
as signs of his prophethood. Like devotees of all cults, they rose to
champion his cause with dedication. By defying death and butchering
others they made Islam the world's second largest religion, now the
biggest threat to world peace and the survival of human civilization.
Why is it important to know Muhammad? Because over a billion people
try to be like him and do as he did. Consequently, the insanity of one
man is bequeathed to all his followers. It is by understanding him
that we can see through them, and be able to predict these
unpredictable people.
We live in a dangerous time. When a fifth of humanity worships a
psychopath, eulogizes suicide bombing and thinks killing and martyrdom
are ultimate acts of piety, the world becomes a dangerous place. When
these people acquire the atomic bomb, the earth becomes a powder keg.
Islam is a cult. It is time for mankind to wake up and realize that
this cult is a threat to mankind and there can be no co-existence with
Muslims. As long as Muslims believe in Muhammad, they are a threat to
others and to themselves. Muslims must either leave Islam, leave their
culture of hate and join the rest of mankind as fellow humans, or non-
Muslims must separate themselves from them, ban Islam, end the
immigration of Muslims and send home those who plot against democracy
and refuse to integrate.
Islam is incompatible with democracy. It is a warring creed that uses
democracy to destroy it and to establish itself as a world wide
dictatorship. The only way to avert the clash between this barbarity
and civilization, a world disaster, is to expose the fallacy of Islam
and demystify it. Muslims must be weaned from Islam for humanity to
live in peace.
Understanding Muhammad is imperative for both Muslims and non-Muslims.
This book makes that task easy.
________________
Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad: A psychobiography of
Allah’s Prophet [ISBN: 978-0980994803]. He is the founder of
faithfreedom.org, the organ of the movement of ex-Muslims that tries
to unveil the truth about Islam to the world and help Muslims leave
it, abandon their culture of hate and join mankind in amity.
=====================
Who Authored the Qur’an?—an Enquiry by an Arab named Abul Kasem
Email: abu...@hotmail.com
This article delves into the very authorship of the Holy Qur’an. It is
a new way of looking at the Holy Qur’an. An enquiry is made using
logical reasoning and historical references on the authorship of the
Qur’an. Thus, this methodology is totally opposed to the blind
believers who accept the authenticity of the Qur’an unquestionably. By
analysing, dissecting and carefully interpreting the contents of the
Qur’an, the Ahadith (Muhammad’s traditions) and Sirah (Muhammad’s
biography) the author has identified several parties who had
undoubtedly contributed to the composition of the Qur’anic verses. It
was not Allah who wrote the Qur’an; it was not even Muhammad alone who
did this either. The Qur’an is not the creation of a single entity or
a single person. There were several parties involved in the
composition, scribing, amending, inserting and deleting the Qur’anic
verses. The most important personalities involved in the creation of
the Qur’an were: Imrul Qays, Zayd b. Amr, Hasan b. Thabit, Salman,
Bahira, ibn Qumta, Waraqa and Ubayy b. Ka’b. Muhammad, himself, was
involved in the make-up of a limited number of verses, but the most
influential person who motivated Muhammad in the invention of Islam
and the opus of the Qur’an, perhaps, was Zayd b. Amr who preached
‘Hanifism’. Muhammad later metamorphosed Zayd’s ‘Hanifism’ into Islam.
Therefore, the assertion that Islam is not a new religion stands to be
true. However, the important finding is that the Qur’an is definitely
not the words of Allah—it is a human-made scripture which Muhammad
simply passed up as Allah’s final words to mankind. Another important
aspect of this essay is that among the ancient religions that the
writers of the Qur’an incorporated in it, perhaps the practices of the
Sabeans is crucial. In fact, the rituals of 5 prayers and the 30-day
fasting were actually adapted from the Sabeans. Qur’an, thus, is a
compilation of various religious books that existed during Muhammad’s
time. Muhammad, not Allah, simply adopted, picked and chose from
various sources and created the Qur’an. While many parties contributed
to the Qur’an, Muhammad became its chief editor—to say it plainly.
Introduction
According to Islam, questioning the Allah’s absolute authorship of the
Qur’an is a serious blasphemy. A Muslim may face death sentence simply
for nurturing an atom of doubt on Qur’an’s authenticity. The Qur’an is
above all. Nothing in the creation of Allah is holier than the Qur’an.
However, human being what he is—ever inquisitive, I started doubting
Qur’an’s authorship in my very childhood--when I was introduced, in a
very formal manner, in the recitation of this Holy Scripture. I spent
a couple of years learning a few introductory verses under the
tutorship of a local ‘Hujur’ (Islamic religion teacher) in the local
mosque. This ‘Hujur’ taught the Qur’an to a group of us by holding a
rattan cane that looked quite shiny as he used to oil the cane every
day before his ‘Murid’ (learners) arrived in the mosque. I can vouch
that none of us ever liked to study the Qur’an—it was the most boring
and the most painful task during our childhood. We simply memorised
like parrots certain verses without understanding a single word of
them The ‘Hujur’ also did not know the meanings of those verses.
Whenever we asked any question about any verse, the answer was a few
stroke of the cane from the ‘Hujur’. The learning of the recitation of
the Qur’an became associated with corporeal punishment and child-
abuse. Thus, we developed a deep disdain towards the Qur’an recitation
in particular and a profound dislike for the Mullahs in general.
Later, after I left my university and started working, a colleague of
mine presented me with a copy of the English translation of the Holy
Qur’an by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. My colleague was a diehard ‘Tabligi’ (a
religious proselytiser) and exhorted me to read the translation
carefully. He vouched that after I had comprehended the true messages
of the Holy Scripture my life would change for ever—for the better, he
insisted. Reluctantly, I started to read the English translation—verse
by verse, passage by passage. The more I read, the more I was shocked,
disturbed, astonished, bewildered and resentful. I could not believe
that a book which is supposed to be the handiwork of the most
compassionate, the most merciful and the most forgiving Allah could
contain such a terrible amount of hate, terror, call for murder, war,
vengeance and most of all a blanket plea for the destruction of all
those who do not subscribe to the Qur’anic view of the world. Of
course, there were a few verses which were very poetical, beautifully
crafted, rhythmic and sometimes rich in spirituality. Apart from this
handful ‘good’ stuff I found the vast part of the Qur’an simply
nonsensical and not-to-talk about those incriminating verses exhorting
the believers to murder and wage an unrelenting war (Jihad) against
the unbelievers. I started questioning: How could a merciful,
compassionate Allah write such a cranky book that is nothing more than
a trash and an ultimate manual of terror, war and plunder? When my
‘Tabligi’ colleague asked me how I was doing with the Qur’an, I simply
told him I was doing fine—elaborating further that I discovered plenty
of new astonishing materials in the Qur’an which I never thought
existed in it. He simply smiled and said, “The Qur’an is wonderful,
isn’t it?” I replied, “You said it! It is mind-boggling, no doubt.”
A few years later, I started to ponder deeply on the Qur’an. Using the
works of other translators, as well as the Tafsirs (explanation), I
read and re-read the Holy Scripture--several times to make sure that
what they translated and explained were absolutely correct. The more I
learned about the Qur’an the more I became distraught, disturbed and
angry—angry, because I felt that I was utterly let down by a killer
religion which was imposed on me due to my birth. The stuff I read in
the Qur’an jolted me so much that I wanted to find the answer to my
perennial question—‘Who really authored the Qur’an?’ It took me a long
time and many years of painstaking work to arrive at the answer to
that question. This article tries to answer that question. I had been
planning this essay for a long time, and now, after writing it I feel
it is for you to ponder too—‘Who authored the Qur’an?’
During my investigative phase I found that a lot of people were
involved in the compilation and the construction of the Qur’an.
Unknown to the vast majority of Muslims, and buried deep inside the
Qur’an, Ahadith and Sirah there are copious evidence to reject, out of
hand, the contention that the Qur’an is the creation of Allah. Making
Allah the author of the Quran, I think, is the prime lie perpetrated
on mankind for more than a millennium. We can, with certainty, say
that it was not even Muhammad alone who authored the Qur’an. In fact,
the major part of the Qur’an was either composed by or inspired and
written by a few other individuals. The most notable among them were:
Imrul Qays—an ancient poet of Arabia who died a few decades before
Muhammad’s birth
Zayd b. Amr b. Naufal—an ‘apostate’ of his time who preached and
propagated Hanifism
Labid—another poet
Hasan b. Thabit—the official poet of Muhammad
Salman, the Persian—Muhammad’s confidante’ and an advisor
Bahira—a Nestoraian Christian monk of the Syrian church
Jabr—a Christian neighbour of Muhammad
Ibn Qumta—a Christian slave
Khadijah—Muhammad’s first wife
Waraqa—Khadijah’s cousin brother
Ubay b. Ka’b—Muhammad’s secretary and a Qur’an scribe
Muhammad himself
There were other parties involved too. They were:
The Sabeans
Aisha—Muhammad’s child bride
Abdallah b. Salam b. al-Harith—a Jewish convert to Islam
Mukhyariq—a Rabbi and another Jewish convert to Islam
Of course, my list of the possible authors of the Qur’an is not
exhaustive. There may be many other parties involved that I might not
have even heard of. But for a concise discussion the above list should
be ample enough, I guess. In this article I have simply enumerated the
contribution of the above sources in the authorship of the Qur’an.
Now, to understand the Qur’an and its writer/s, we must, first of all,
recognise the background of Muhammad, purportedly the ultimate and the
best creation of Allah.
The Pagan origin of Muhammad
It is an absolute fact that Muhammad was born of pagan parents. His
father, Abdullah and his mother, Amina were both pagans and they used
to worship many idols. His entire childhood (probably up to his teen)
was spent in paganism. To day, many Muslims will find it extremely
hard to digest this fact. However, Muhammad’s pagan origin is
disclosed by Hisham ibn al-Kalbi. On page 17 of his important work,
Kitab al-Asnam (The Book of Idols) he writes (Hisham al-Kalbi, Kitab
al-Asnam, p.17):
‘We have been told that the Apostle of God once mentioned al-Uzza
saying, “I have offered a white sheep to al-‘Uzza, while I was a
follower of the religion of my people.” ‘
In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits of his past adherence
to paganism—the then religion of the Quraysh.
Initially, Muhammad even eulogized the important gods (or idols) of
the pagans by agreeing with the Quraysh at some point that these gods
were the intercessors of Allah. On the same page Hisham ibn al-Kalbi
writes:
The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka’bah and say:
By Allat and al-‘Uzza,
And Manah, the third idol besides.
Verily they are the most exalted females
Whose intercession is to be sought.
These were also called “the Daughters of Allah,” and were supposed to
intercede before God. When the Apostle of God was sent god revealed
unto him [concerning them] the following:
053.019 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
053.020 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
053.021 What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
053.022 Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
053.023 These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and
your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever).
They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!-
Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
(Hisham ibn al-Kalbi, ‘Kitab al-Asnam,’ p.17)
When Muhammad became an adult and started to attend the annual
assembly of poets at Ukaz he was deeply impressed and moved by the
thoughts, eloquence, sentiment, freethinking and humanism expounded by
many of those poets. He started questioning the idol-worshipping and
began to start preaching a new concept of one God, the creator—similar
to the concepts of the Jews and the Christians of that time.
Nonetheless, he was confused as to which God ought to be his God.
Allah, a deity (a moon god--that is why the symbols placed at every
mosque is a crescent moon) at that time, was the supreme God of the
pagans. Their only fault was that besides Allah, they also used to
worship, as the intercessors for Allah, the supreme, other smaller
gods/goddesses like: Hubal, Al-lat, Al-Uzza, Manat…etc. So, in the
beginning of his new concept of an almighty creator, Allah was out of
his mind. Besides, at that time the magicians, the soothsayers, the
sorcerers, and even the Satan worshippers used to vow by Allah. Thus,
Muhammad found it utterly despicable to make Allah his God (ilah).
During those pagan days the people of Yemen used to worship another
deity whose name was Ar-Rahman. Muhammad, for a while, adopted the
name Ar-Rahman for God in place of Allah. Coincidentally, Ar-Rahman
was also the Jewish word Rahmana which was a name for God in the
Talmudic period (Noldeke: The Koran, The Origins of the Koran, p.53).
Muhammad cleverly thought that by using the word Ar-Rahman he ought to
be able to attract to his new ‘religion’, the Jews as well as some
pagans. Please note that nowhere in the Qur’an Allah says that He has
99 additional names including Ar-Rahman.
So, when he declared himself to be the messenger of Ar-Rahman, the
Meccans, too, were at a loss and confused. The Meccans did not know of
any Ar-Rahman other than the Ar-Rahman of al-Yamamah (some writers say
Ar-Rahman was at Yemen ). To verify Muhammad’s claim the Quraysh sent
a delegation to Medina Jews, as they thought that Ar-Rahman, truly,
was a deity in Yemen or Yamamah. Islamic Historian Ibn Sa’d (Ibn Sa’d,
vol.i, pp.189-190) writes:
“The Quraysh sent al-Nadr Ibn al-Harith Ibn ‘Alaqamah and ‘Uqbah Ibn
abi Mu’ayt and others to the Jews of Yathrib and told them to ask them
(Jews) about Muhammad. They came to Medinah and said to them (Jews):
We have come to you because a great affair has taken place amidst us.
There is a humble orphan who makes a big claim, considering himself to
be the messenger of al-Rahman, while we do not know any al-Rahman
except the Rahman of al-Yamamah. They said: Give the description
before us. They gave his description, on which they asked them who
were his followers. They said: The lowly people among us. Thereupon a
scholar of from them laughed and said: he is the Prophet whose
attributes we find mentioned in our Scriptures; we also know that his
people will be most inimical to him.”
When we read, with an unbiased mind, the first 50 Suras (in
chronological order) of the Qur’an we note Muhammad’s confusion
regrading Lord, Allah and Ar-Rahman. He was quite unsure of whom he
should consider as his God (ilah). Here is a summary of the first 50
Suras regarding Muhammad’s idea of his God:
Only Lord—68, 92, 89, 94, 100, 108, 105, 114, 97, 106, 75 (11 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Lord—55, 36 (2 Suras)
Ar-Rahman, Allah, Lord—20
Allah, Lord—96, 73, 74, 81, 87, 53, 85, 50, 38, 7, 72, 25, 35, 56, 26,
27, 28, 17 (18 Suras)
This demonstrates Muhammad’s initial vacillation, confusion and
ignorance of the affairs of his God (ilah).
The Qur’an also confirms that when he started to preach his brand of
faith Muhammad was lost, confused and did not know much of religion.
Here is what the Qur’an writes:
Muhammad was lost, then Allah guided him…93:7
093.007 And He found thee wandering, and He gave thee guidance.
In the past Muhammad was heedless…12:3, 42:52
012.003 We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that
We reveal to thee this (portion of the) Qur'an: before this, thou too
was among those who knew it not.
042.052 And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee:
thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but
We have made the (Qur'an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our
servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight
Way ,-
So, how did Muhammad learn the basics of his new religion? Enter Imrul
Qais and Zayd Ibn Amr.
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
>
> you have problem with your sight sammmy boy ?
>
> I am here, staying put, save and sound , and kind enough to spare my
> time responding to all your craps (you should be lucky that at least
> someone "appreciates" your islamic rubbish)
As promised I will proof to you that your bible makes a
mockery of your 'son of god' (aka part 2 of the 3 in 1
god).
Refer to the genealogies of your so called 'son of god'
which lists phares the son of juda.
mat 1:3
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4380943
[3] And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and
Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
luke 3:33
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4609530
[33] Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the
son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which
was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
Refer to gen38:13-19 and gen38: 24 & 29. :
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[13] And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father
in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.
[14] And she put her widow's garments off from her,
and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself,
and sat in an open place, which is by the way
to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown,
and she was not given unto him to wife.
[15] When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an
harlot; because she had covered her face.
[16] And he turned unto her by the way, and said,
Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee;
(for he knew not that she was his daughter in
law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that
thou mayest come in unto me?
[17] And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock.
And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou
send it?
[18] And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And
she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy
staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and
came in unto her, and she conceived by him.
[19] And she arose, and went away, and laid by her
vail from her, and put on the garments of her
widowhood.
[24] And it came to pass about three months after,
that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter
in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold,
she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said,
Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
[29] And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand,
that, behold, his brother came out: and she said,
How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon
thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
Tamar who was juda's daughter in law disguised herself
as a temple prostitute. Juda couldn't help but became
horny when he saw her. He 'came on to her' and with a
promise of payment of a kid from his flock of sheep. He
gave his signet , bracelets and staff as a deposit for her
'service'. Tamar conceived from her 'union' with juda giving
birth to phares or pharez. If you follow the so called
genealogies , the tracing is all the way to your so called
'son of god'. Therefore looking at the genealogies of your
so called 'son of god' and gen 38:13-19 & 24 & 29 in
context , I can say that your bible mocks your own god
to be a by product of incest of his forefathers. Oh boy!
The conception of your so called 'son of god' is also a
subject of mockery in your bible. luke 1:35
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4609530
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy
Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the
Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called
the Son of God.
The verse from luke 1:35 gives us a picture that the
useless and good for nothing holy ghost had sex with
mary as he 'come upon thee'.
This is ample proof of the mockery of you christians
heaped onto your so called 'son of god'. Why do you
folks depict him and mary in such a vile manner? Then
you have the audacity to regard him as god.
The Quran is the only religious book that came to the
defense of Prophet Isa (as) aka Prophet Jesus (as).
and mary. Consider the following verses :
surah 3:47-48
ref : http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/3.htm
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when
no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah
createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a
plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the
Law and the Gospel,
Allah merely wills it and it happened. No connotation of
sex. This also supports the fact of Prophet Isa/Jesus (as)
being of virgin birth. If Prophet Isa/Jesus (as) is of virgin
birth , if we care to use our brains , there will be no
geneology or geneologies linking him to his 'father' joseph
and all the way back to Prophet Adam (as). Its is logical
isn't it? This great prophet was taught wisdom , law and
the gospel (which you lot have corrupted).
Looks like Jesus is much more revered by the muslims
than the christians. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
--snip--
Do you want me to answer it? It will make you look
bad ....
sam1528
sam...@hotmail.com
> garbages to NG , at least have a little sense with your thoughts
>
> above only belongs to the trash can, but thanks for your time and
> troubling yourself posting it away
>
> bwahahahahahahhahahhhahhahhahahahhahaha, boy dont I love this "game",
> playing around with a circus bozo :))
How come you are so afraid to answer the question.
Its not a difficult question.
sam1528
Waraqah ™
Hitler...
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ini si þíLL™
damn! you are damn right sammy boy .... muslim can'T do nothing, how
can you be so precise ??
bwahahahahahahahhahhahahahahhahhhhahaha ......, show us your quality
writings , dont just throwing rubbish to NG
bwahahahahahahhahahah, some more akh ... :))
sam...@hotmail.com wrote in news:cc28c8b4-488d-4232-9935-44b007d220a7
@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com :
ini si þíLL™
@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com :
> How come you are so afraid to answer the question.
>
what question sammy boy ??? you call that question ??
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa, wake up man !!
its the 21st century now, subbanallooooh, you cant even produce a proper
and decent question !
ini si þíLL™
@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com :
bwahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahhaha, keep hallucinating sammy
boy, your being so naive (just to put it in the mild way) has made all
the clowns in town got jealous, .... really some hidden talents you
got there :)))
thanks for all the entertaintment , so stick around boy, we need ya
:))
David G.
> beberapa artikel yang intinya memojokan Islam,
Kebenaran tidak dapat dipojokkan.
> Muhammad bahkan Allah
> Swt. maka bersabarlah, sesungguhnya tipu daya mereka sangat lemah dan
> sangat-sangat menggelikan.
Jika memang sangat lemah dan menggelikan, maka tertawalah ...:)
Tidak ada yang perlu dikuatirkan, bukan?
Yang perlu dikuatirkan adalah argumentasi yang kuat.
> CEMBURU DENGAN AGAMA ISLAM. THEY ARE JEALOUS
> WITH ISLAM.
Cemburu itu artinya cinta, he he he ....
>
> WHY? mengapa mereka cemburu? Karena sesungguhnya jauh dalam lubuk
> hati mereka menyadari bahwa Agama Islam itu Mutlak Benar tetapi mereka
> malu mengakuinya.
Jika anda sudah 100% yakin bahwa agama anda memang Mutlak Benar,
mengapa anda begitu kuatir?
Tidakkah pencapaian kebenaran mutlak akan menghasilkan kedamain di
dalam pikiran dan ketentraman batin?
>
> WHY? mengapa mereka malu mengakuinya? Karena dalam hati mereka sudah
> tertanam rasa iri, dengki, sombong, tidak mau menerima kebenaran yang
> hakiki.
Salah satu ciri dari Kebenaran Mutlak adalah kemampuannya menyentuh
batin dan memporak-porandakan kedengkian, iri, dan kesombongan.
> "Artinya : Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak akan senang kepada
> kamu hingga kamu mengikuti agama mereka.
Lho, benarkah Tuhan suka nggosip, membicarakan keburukan orang lain?
Alih-alih, mengompori anda dengan membicarakan keburukan agama lain,
tidakkah Tuhan seharusnya mengajari anda bagaimana caranya melihat
kebaikan-kebaikan yang ada di dalam diri orang lain?
--
salam
dg
donie
> On Aug 5, 5:47 am, donie <donien...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --snip--
>
>
>
> > The burden of proving that bible verses prophesying islam prophet
> > should rest with muslims, don't you agree Sam?
>
> Hi - how's it going?
>
> Its a fair assertion that the burden of proof is on the
> person making the claim - I agree with that. The same
> cannot be said for nick 'nabi palsu & his other names'
> and 'mbill'. They can never present a decent argument.
>
>
> I presented the verses and the tests to the verses. It is
> ample proof. I am waiting for the counter argument.
> So far none except 'Bwahahahahahahahah'. Thats not
> much of an argument is it?
>
> sam1528
You must be referring to your statement no 7:
================quote================
7 Do not even know that the coming of Prophet Muhammad (saw)
has been foretold in the bible. Reference of a comforter or
paraclete.
=================unquote======
It's true. Christians don't know that your prophet is foretold in the
bible. How would that proof your claim?