Unionized public employees, generous welfare system and illegal immigants helped bankrupt California
peacock
revenue declines, increasing benefit, cost of living for unionized
public employees and its providing an amazing generous welfare system
to the illigal immigrants.
The cost of California's illegal immigrants in medical treatment,
public housing, police, jail, education, legal and welfare services
added up to the financial burden for the state of California and the
federal government.
Revenue declines(comporation moved out due to its regulation),
unionized, friendly welfare state for its citizens and the illegal
immigrants helped bankrupt California.
Thousands of the so called disabled people who received SSI in
California but are working full time on their sons or relatives'
farms, the sweatshops and farmer markets without paying tax to the
state and federal goverment.
What do you think? Got something to say?
plum_v...@hotmail.com
I saw in Minnesota, downtown St. Paul, State Employees go on strike,
Unionized Public Employees and I thought, they should be happy enough
they have jobs.
Your evaluation Peacock, sure raises my opinion on anything you write
because though I agree with you, I probably could not have organized
my thoughts to say what you did.
Tzianeng Vang
illegal-immigrants is only a terminology coined by man to win
votes...all of us are illegal man...please don't be so quick to point
fingers my friends...they may be illegal to many, but in their own
world they are family and friends...so what is wrong with that?
remember the say "...pointing one finger toward others, but there are
three pointing right back at you..."
peacock
There is nothing wrong with that but just high crimes with drug from
Central America to poison our kids, drained government resources and
taxpayers like us who have to shoulder the burdens.
Thirty-three years ago, I see American with less crime and drug
problem but now a lot of them have experienced with drug from Central
America and I just nervous about it...
You see now the drug cartels are fighting each other in Central
America to control territories and now it is near our neighborhood.
peacock
Plum,
Thanks for understanding my point of view. Not many of us
conservative, republican like to use that rough words to apply to the
California's woeful plight.
I should have said they are the roots caused of the state of
California on the verge of bankruptcy.
Hmoob1
peacock
> Who is their right minds would think that a state will go bankrupt?
How could anyone of right mind would not understand the plight of
California going bankuptcy. Please read the following articles about
it.
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/is-state-of-california-bankrupt.html
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/text-of-schwarzenegger-letter-to.html
Tzianeng Vang
are you in the sac town area? if you are please do me a favor and
email me: txiabneeb(at)gmail.com...big favor to ask...ty!
On Mar 15, 9:39 pm, peacock <yajy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 6:00 pm, Hmoob1 <Hmo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Who is their right minds would think that a state will go bankrupt?
>
> How could anyone of right mind would not understand the plight of
> California going bankuptcy. Please read the following articles about
> it.
>
> http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1457225....
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jobs-terminated-as-c...
>
> http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/is-state-of-california-bankru...
>
> http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/10/text-of-schwarzenegger-letter...
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/arnold/story/1684750.html
peacock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Brother, Tzianeng,
Check you mailbox. you got mail!
Peacock
peacock
I am not so sure if my email has reached you or not so I post it
here. Just in case, it has been lost.
Hi brother txiabneeb,
How is your insurance business?
Just a quick email to see if anything that I can do for you. What is
your favor to ask from me?
Hoped my posts are not a fireball with the offensive words. Do you
want me to low my tone down?
BTW - I am not in the SAC area but at least I know the person who
complained and flooded with emails to stop the Moob program at the
Hmong Internet Radio.
I've got to go. It is getting late.
Peacock
plum_v...@hotmail.com
Much uproar is being felt because the car companies, security
companies, people defaulting on mortgages, are being bailed out,
states can go into debt for many years into the future as well.
That's why many people are saying, "Who bails us out? The Little Man?"
kwv...@aol.com
1. doctors - doctors wanted more more unsicked/uninjuried people to
see them, so they can collect more money from insurance and govn't
medicare.
2. lawyers - they want more and more unsicked/ininjured people to see
them to make more cases, so they can collect more money from insurance
and gov't medicare.
3. white people are over paid. 3 immigrants only earns as much as 1
white american. white people get easy job and work less hrs, but get
more pay. every year they have to increase buget because all these
white employees get raise.
Lonewriter
Peacock,
sounds like you nailed all the conservative talking points, let me
guess you're a fan of rush and fox news? anyway but be careful when
you play politic on the GOP side, look what happened to GVP. The GOP
are 10 steps ahead of you (color conservatives).
it's ironic how majority of the conservatives don't do their homework,
too lazy to learn for themselves, they don't read or study the issues
and problem for themselves, instead they let people like rush limbaug,
fox news, and ann coultere manipulate the facts.
this is just a snap shot okay, it would more than this to help
conservatives understand all the lies they have been taught. anyway to
understand why worker form unions one have to study the labor history
in america when in the early 1900s big company like ford, gmc, mining
company, etc. work workers to death (yes death) with little
regulations from the fed. eventually workers formed unions to proctect
themselves that created new labor laws, that also protect non union
workers.. that means you too even if you are not a union, you
benefited from the union's movement for fair labor law like a 40 hours
week and health benefits. Who causes workers to unionize for fair
labor laws? Conservatives and big corporations.
on illegal aliens, conservatives bitch and moan about illegal aliens
coming to the u.s. but few understand why illegal aliens are here. the
reason they leave their family behind to come here is because our
government have taken over their country, install puppet government so
that the big U.s. corporations can take their resources, while
creating wealth to less than 1% of the already wealthiest people in
south america. what do you expect the rest of the poor south americans
to do to survive? they have to leave their family behind and risk
lives to come here to find job so that they can send money back to
their family. The great u.s. wall will not keep illegal aliens away
until the u.s. change it's capitalistic policy toward south america.
And you know what? who's behind the expansion of u.s. capitalistic and
imperialistic policy? Conservatives and big corporations.
Welfare and education. whites are the largest recipients of welfare so
please don't stereotype that people of color are all on welfare.
Education is the key to moving low income family out of poverty
regardless of race. Education is what will develop a strong workforce
that can compete in the global market. while whites are having less
and less children, people of color also need strong education program
to ensure the stability of the country for generation to come. It has
always been classism in america, a poor education system by the
conservative is a tactic to widen the gap between poor and wealthy.
soon there will be no middle class.
So in state like california under the bush year, conservatives give
big tax break to big corporations, illegal war and deregulation on
wall street created the current economic crisis. It;'s call trickle
down economic, give benefits to the wealthy, eventually they will
tickle down to the poor. Well that's not happening, the rich deposit
their money in foreign banks and the u.s. economic sink. BTW if I
recall correctly all the top corporations in silicon valley are
founded by immigrants, LOL...
1. Intel Corp. - Andy Grove (Hungary) 99,900
2. Solectron Corp. - Winston Chen (Taiwan) 53,000
3. Sanmina-SCI Corp. - Jule Sola/Milan Mandaric (Bosnia/Croatia)
48,621
4. Sun Microsystems Inc. - Andreas Bechtolsheim/Vinod Khosla
(Germany/India) 31,000
5. eBay Inc. - Pierre Omidyar (France) 12,600
6. Yahoo Inc. - Jerry Yang (Taiwan) 9,800
7. Life Time Fitness Inc. - Bahram Akradi (Iran) 9,500
8. Tetra Tech Inc. - Henri Hodara (France) 7,200
9. UTStarcom Inc. - Ying Wu (China) 6,300
10. Google Inc. - Sergey Brin (Russia) 5,680
look conservatives has good values and good ideas, but they are just
ideas and they don't work in reality. we can debate you all day, but
if your mind is closed or made up already, then it is pointless and
let's agree to disagree.
again, if you don't know how to play American politic, don't get used
by the conservative. i welcome your counter argument.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
Our government took over there government??? Why read the rest of this
with this kind of logic?
plum_v...@hotmail.com
heard that the way it is in France, first hand experience, you can't
open up your own business that easily.
Also, these people mentioned who created companies, did they immigrate
legally? I know there are many good people who deserve to be given a
break but we also, like every other country in the world, have
immigration laws. Maybe these people met the requirements to become a
citizen. I have heard Phillipine people say, "we went through the
immigration process, why should people who don't be allowed the same
status?"
Also, South America, what countries do we control? Not the Socialist
in Venezuela with Chavez and not Bolivia and probably not Argentina
either. The US has always aided all of Latin America, I doubt if we
control Brazil, Chile or other countries down there. This reads like
socialist propoganda.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
Northern Africa told me, he can't open up his own garage in France or
at least, it is difficult to do such things. A lot of these people
immigrate legally. That is the key, I wonder if the Bosnian listed
above, immigrated legally, the Chinese person also. This is slanted
information.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
have killed people. And there is probably a lot more along these
lines. This happened here in Minnesota where 3 or 4 school kids was
killed by a car driven by an illegal alien.
Illegal Aliens/Immigrants then is not fair to those who are here
legally and become citizens.
I do believe the US government needs to help the Hmong but not
necessarily others who immigrate here.
Lonewriter
Plum,
" Why read the rest of this with this kind of logic?"
Precisely, that's the problem, conservatives are lazy, they don't like
to do their own research, it is easier to let Rush limbaurg, Fox news
and ann Coultere educate them on the issues in the name of
conservative values and ideology. They hook you with religious
christian values and then feed you everything else that is false in
policy.
I don't know how much you know about U.S. foreign policy or global
economic, but I think you are a smart person, it won't take you long
if you really wanted to know the truth about U.S. imperialism. Below
are a few facts for you to research about.
1850-56: U.S. soldiers defend American-built transisthmian
railroad in Panama
1852-53: U.S. Marines land in Argentina to protect American
interests during a revolution
1855: U.S. forces sent to Uruguay to protect American lives and
property
1856: William Walker, with a mercenary army, conquers Nicaragua.
1857: Cornelius Vanderbilt funds the war against Walker, and hires
American mercenary Sylvanus M. Spencer to lead Costa Rican forces
1885: Washington sends--in one of the first acts of "gunboat
diplomacy"--the USS Wachusett to Guatemala to defend American lives
and property
1898: America defeats Spain and annexes or assumes control of
Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico (and also annexes Hawaii)
1903: The Hay-Bunau-Varilla Treaty makes the U.S. the "sovereign"
power in the Panama Canal Zone
1904: Roosevelt announces his corollary to the Monroe Doctrine,
and takes customs control of the Dominican Republic
1905: U.S. Marines land in Honduras
1906-09: U.S. forces occupy Cuba
1910: U.S. forces land in Nicaragua and control--for the next
thirty-eight years--the country's finances
1912: United Fruit begins operations in Honduras
1914-34: U.S. troops occupy Haiti
1916-24: U.S. Marines occupy the Dominican Republic
1918: U.S. army lands in Panama to protect United Fruit
plantations
1920-21: U.S. troops support a coup in Guatemala
1926-33: U.S. marines occupy Nicaragua and wage war against
Sandino's peasant army
1936-79: U.S. support for the Somozas
1954: CIA-United Fruit coup in Guatemala
1961: CIA-supported invasion of the Bay of Pigs
1966: U.S. Green Berets take part in "Operation Guatemala"; over
8,000 Guatemalans killed
1981-90: U.S. funds contra war in Nicaragua
1983: U.S. invasion of Granada
1989: U.S. invasion ousts Panamanian dictator and former CIA
operative, Manuel Noriega.
Lonewriter
LOL - when you learn, you will learn that venezuela, cuba, etc. are
countries that the u.s. can not control through one of the following;
economically, military, and or politically so they are label as the
bad guys. And this doesn't mean these countries are angels, but they
have the right to exist and govern their own people just like us.
It's funny how conservative, if they don't understand something they
call it socialist propaganda. Oh on the subject of the Phillipine, do
you know think the u.s. have control over their government? Before you
answer, do some research, but here is a start.
# 1521 Ferdinand Magellan arrives at Mactan.
# 1565 Spain 'colonizes' the Philippines.
# 1580 Spanish military and political control are consolidated in
lowland areas except for Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago and Palawan.
# 1605 Most Filipinos became Catholics before this date.
# 1762-74 The British occupy Manila. Until this time, the Spanish had
been able to impose relative isolation on the Philippines.
# 1814 Manila is opened to foreign trade.
# 1869 The Suez Canal is opened, making rade between Europe and the
Philippines easier.
# 1872 The Cavite Rebellion. Hoping to quickly put down an organized
revolt, the Spaniards conducted secret trials and excution, but his
further angered the people.
# 1896 Under the leadership of Filipino General Emilio Aguinaldo,
major fighting begins against the Spanish.
# 1897 The Pact of Biak-na-bato temporarily suspends fighting between
the Filipinos and Spaniards.
# 1898 American ships arrive in Manila Bay and with minimal exchange
of fire, the Spanish are defeated.
June 12: Aguinaldo, along with other Filipino leaders sign the
Declaration of Independence
December 12: U.S. and Spanish negotiators sign the Treaty of Paris,
officially ending the Spanish-American War and ceding the Philippines
to the U.S. for $20 million.
# 1899 January 23: Aguinaldo and his associates formally proclaim the
establishment of the First Philippine Republic at Malolos.
February 4: Fighting breaks out between U.S. and Filipino forces. The
Philippine-American War took about three and a half years, the overall
conflict nearly 10 years. Estimate of Filipino lives lost range from
400,000 to 600,000, and American lives lost were approximately 10,000.
February 6: U.S. Senate votes to annex the Philippines
March: Protestant missionaries beging arriving on the scene.
# 1901 March 23: General Aguinaldo captured.
Subic Bay designated the principal U.S. Naval Station in the
Philippines. The Sedition Law passed by the Americans imposing the
death penalty or a long prison sentence on anyone advocating
Philippine independence.
The transport ship Thomas sails from San Francisco with 600 American
public school teachers bound for the Philippines.
# 1902 Ft. Stotsenberg, later Clark Air Base, is established as a
cavalry outpost.
La Iglesia Filipino Independiente, (The Philippine Independent Church)
is formally organized in many towns taking possession of the Roman
Catholic church buildings.
# 1906 U.S. Supreme Court declares that property taken from Roman
Catholic churches be returned.
# 1907 Local government assemblies formed composed largely of those
owning property.
# 1916 The Jones Law enacted expressing U.S. intention to grant
complete independence 'as soon as conditions are appropriate'.
# 1934 After considerable Filipino lobbying in Washington, the Tydings-
McDuffie Act is passed to provide for a ten-year period of
"Commonwealth" status (beginning 1935) to lead to complete
independence.
# 1941 December 7: The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor and Clark Air Base
# 1944 October 20: U.S. forces return to the Philippine island of
Leyte
October 23: The Philippine Commonwealth is reestablished.
# 1946 July 4: the Philippines is given its political independence by
the U.S.
# 1947 The Military Bases agreement is signed with the U.S.
# 1962 June 12 is declared the new Philippine Independence Day.
# 1970 January through March: Massive student demonstrations in Manila
against Marcos and the U.S. Government.
Lonewriter
Plum,
what is your point? my point is, the success and strength of this
country is not on the back of traditional whites, but also non-whites
and immigrants. Conservatives bitch and moan about losing jobs to
illegal aliens but I doubt they want to flip burgers. Conservatives
bitch and moan about losing jobs to illegal aliens, but it is the
corporations that hired cheap illegal workforce.
Lonewriter
Plum,
Wow - I am appall by your discrimination and level of ignorance. You
have a deep problem with internal discrimination.
So are you saying that it is okay for whites and legal aliens (you) to
be involved in an auto accident in particular drunk driving (16,005
people were killed in the United States in alcohol-related* motor
vehicle traffic crashes (BAC of .01 or higher)). But it is not okay
for an illegal alien to cause an auto accident?
Let's talk about all the death caused but whites, legal aliens, and
Hmong Americans in particular... uh huh.. what's the difference?
Plum here's what you wrote, "I do believe the US government needs to
help the Hmong but not necessarily others who immigrate here."
What a shame. Wow... your above statement shows you need either
medical help or serious diversity training. Do you really think you
have some kind of entitlement to the U.S government compare to other
immigrants? Think about if before you answer.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
think for yourself.
http://www.tribo.org/history/us-rp.html
Phillipines.
This is nonsense, taking bits of history out of context.
Too, this is the USA where we have helped out our fellow man. Not
inviting millions of illegal aliens for welfare.
President Clinton apologized to Guatemala for any wrong the US did.
This is past history.
We liberated the Phillipines from Japanese occupation. Is that up
there??
Oh, let's see where Lonewolf who claims to be such a deep thinker cuts
and pastes some more.
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/imperialism.htm
<-- Exactly what this plagiariser lonewolf is STEALING and presenting
as own thoughts.
Anyone can cut and paste, you can't debate, you have no coherent
argument and it is all nonsense.
You did not answer, the simple question on whether these immigrants
who created jobs above were LEGAL or illegal immigrants.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
nonsense????
plum_v...@hotmail.com
except that we are the largest government; power in the Western
Hemisphere and we have to watch after the USA's interest and in these
past times, the US saw it as an interest against Communism,
Which sees Fidel Castro, A MURDERER, Mao Tse Tung, A MURDERER, Josef
Stalin, A MURDERER.
GET YOUR MURDERING CRAP AND SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE YOU
IGNORAMUS!! LONEWOLF... can't do anything but cut and paste,
plagiarize and can't site a source. You are the idiot.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
> Your appalled you plagiarizer? Just cutting and pasting your
> nonsense????
Lonewolf's plagiarism just defends murdering garbage like Fidel Castro
or Mao Tse Tung or Josef Stalin, what garbage from this idiot Espada.
Oh, you must think you have shown us earthshaking information. We all
know the US has made plenty of mistakes but is still a lot better than
the murderers you che guevara , Che Guevara, another murdere, you che
guevara wannabes.
CHE GUEVARA, COMMUNIST ARGENTINAN MURDERING DIRT.
All lonewolf does is make personal attacks on people and cuts and
pastes information, play your stupid game of ignorance.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
Murderers like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara or any of these other
people. You are cowardly slime hiding behind a keyboard that can't
even answer one question.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
the Khmer Rouge. More left wing murderers.
plum_v...@hotmail.com
It's funny, Lonewolf can make personal attacks, cut and paste copying
information on here from other sites but simply can not answer if the
people he/she listed above as immigrants, surely cut and pasted as
well from somewhere are legal immigrants or not. LOL
plum_v...@hotmail.com
Lonewriter
Plum,
Classic conservative comeback of the GOP. I bet you don't even know
what GOP stands for. Get a clue, go ahead google it. Let's talk about
murderer, and so Bush and Cheney aren't muderers? How about the
500,000 death of Iraqi civilians caused by Bush's war? Now the great
party of Teddy Roosevelt have nothing left but resorts to name calling
and a failed hypocrite Sarah Palin as their Vice Presidential
candidate. LOL.
You quoted, "I do not see where the US controls any of these foreign
governments except that we are the largest government; power in the
Western Hemisphere and we have to watch after the USA's interest and
in these past times, the US saw it as an interest against Communism."
This is such a oxymoron, the u.s. don't control foreign government, we
only watch after the US's interest. LOL.. our interest is controlling
foreign governments, especially in south america. LOL.
Look let's agree to disagree. I mean your conservative views are weak
and being a person of color, you have no real power in the GOP.
Serious your party is so weak, you have to get a token black man to be
chair of the RNC just to get a few black votes.
Lonewriter
LOL anybody who doesn't abide to the conservatives are communist. You
sound like Rush Limbaurg and Fox news. LOL
The typical conservative tactic, label anyone with a different view as
communist and unpatriotic.
I may have forgotten to give you the links, but it doesn't change the
fact that your conservative views and policy are weak and they have
failed the last eight years. http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/imperialism.htm
and http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/imperialism.htm.
Lonewriter
> Some intellectual lonewolf is, LOL!
Plum,
I am not an intellectual like you. Unlike you, you like to scream and
shout and tell everyone how bad or stupid I am. My friend, it's too
sad when you have to seek other people's approval. If you need people
to approve your conviction, then you have no conviction. You shout
and scream, name call, but your antics are not new and I have faced
stronger opponents from the radical right. And my nine year old might
be able to out debate you on health care, environmental, and human
rights policy. However, you are certainly one funny individual, you
made me laugh and I enjoyed our discussion.