BRAIN DRAIN
Tansong Isda
One of the things I'm most concerned with is the one-sided "brain
drain",
certainly not unique with the PI. This has been going on for decades --
often a country will sponsor the US professional education (i.e.,
medical
specialist, advanced engineering) of a native son or daughter only to
have
them never return home. Can I blame them? After all, my wife came to
the
US with her Filipino husband to find more opportunity for themselves and
their children. Now we are moving more towards living part-time in both
countries.
I've read about doctors from 3rd-world countries who are trained and
remain
in the US, saying they have so much more to work with here in terms of
facilities and equipment, and feel they can really use their skills.
But
there is a different type of challenge to use your skill in less than
perfect conditions where you can make so much of a difference. Perhaps
the
old USSR model of making sure you take care of your valued professions
(scientist, athelete) so they have less motivation to leave would work
in
the RP. The educated and skilled generally have an easier time moving
where
they want, with the unfortinate effect of draining some significant
portion
of talent from their country.
Randy
Open for discussion:
When I was growing up, the High Schools in the Philippines would sponsor
a program, teaching people a certain skill lacking in the US. We are
being taught in the beggining to be the "workers" in the US, wood
working, mechanics...sewing, in my case radio-electronics (I chose that
one)...
Right from the begining we are groomed, some who went to the medical
field eventually in college often equate their education with working in
the US, instilled by the schools.
Even that programs were sponsored by the country that would eventually
absorb them, the one that sponsored my radio-electronic program is
France.
There is a lot of bad feelings among Filipino/Americans, those who have
never been here in the US, cannot understand how much. And some cannot
understand why (some new arrivals).
And those who grew up here, as Filipino-Americans has different issues
as those who has been here 20yrs or so....
Standard American (any race) would have a hard time understanding this,
because of the sensitivity of the issues. I still feel for my people
back home, still wanting to resolve some of the problems. And part of
the problem has its roots here. I can understand Rhett, Tonyong Gago.
But what I can't understand is the lack of reaching from the other side
(the Kano), we came here to reach you guys.
tch...@my-deja.com
Tansong Isda <ta...@dehinstogins.toi> wrote:
> There is a lot of bad feelings among Filipino/Americans, those who
> have never been here in the US, cannot understand how much. And some
> cannot understand why (some new arrivals).
> And those who grew up here, as Filipino-Americans has different issues
> as those who has been here 20yrs or so....
Explain.
> Standard American (any race) would have a hard time understanding
> this, because of the sensitivity of the issues. I still feel for my
> people back home, still wanting to resolve some of the problems. And
> part of the problem has its roots here. I can understand Rhett,
> Tonyong Gago. But what I can't understand is the lack of reaching
> from the other side (the Kano), we came here to reach you guys.
Well, for one, let's start with "Kano". If I walk around calling you a
"Flip", how anxious are you going to be to "reach out" to me?
I've personally been on both sides. I'm a white American, but I've also
spent years living in countries where I'm definitely a minority. I have
had the advantage, though, of being financially better off than those
who were in the majority, so the experience isn't the same.
If you want a quick opinion (subject to change after I've heard your
side) I'd suggest that you go to http://www.pattayamail.com and read
the letters to the editor. This is an English language newspaper from
Pattaya, Thailand. A lot of white foreigners (called farangs which
literally means "caucasian") live there and this newspaper is their
"mouthpiece" (so to speak). When you read the letters you'll see that
the bitch non-stop about the Thai people. Constant complaining about
apartheid, being mistreated, abused, etc.
The fact is that there is very little of this that actually goes on.
(Of course, like anywhere, there are always one or two assholes.) But
when you get down into what's happening, a small part of it is actual
mistreatment (something you could call racism), another small part is
brought on by the whining farangs themselves (expecting special
treatment for some reason). But the overwhelming majority of the
problem is simply mis-communication. The Thai are looking at the
farangs through the prism of their culture and the farangs are looking
back through their own.
Result? Miscommunication, bad feelings, suspicion, you name it. Very
little true abuse takes place. But when it does the leaders and the
media grab on to it and play on the bad feelings.
I suspect that the overwhelming majority of whatever bad feelings exist
in the US between Asians and whites can be tracked down to the same
cause.
Solution? Communication. True communication. And that means whites
listening to minorities and granting them the respect for their culture
to accept that what they're saying is what they're really feeling. And
that means minorities listening to whites and granting them the respect
for their culture to accept that what they're saying is what they're
really feeling.
In the real world what happens is that minorities express their
feelings and the whites don't believe them. And the whites express
their feelings and the minorities don't believe them.
It's a two-sided road. And neither side seems all that much interested
in crossing over.
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"Tansong Isda" <ta...@dehinstogins.toi> wrote in message
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> Re:
> There is a lot of bad feelings among Filipino/Americans, those who have
> never been here in the US, cannot understand how much. And some cannot
> understand why (some new arrivals).
> And those who grew up here, as Filipino-Americans has different issues
> as those who has been here 20yrs or so....
> Standard American (any race) would have a hard time understanding this,
> because of the sensitivity of the issues. I still feel for my people
> back home, still wanting to resolve some of the problems. And part of
> the problem has its roots here. I can understand Rhett, Tonyong Gago.
> But what I can't understand is the lack of reaching from the other side
> (the Kano), we came here to reach you guys.
I'm not real clear here on the issues. I think you are saying that
Filipino/Americans who came to the US years back have bad feelings for the
US or "Standard Americans"? Feelings that new arrivals don't understand.
Can you elaborate?
I can understand the bad feelings that Filipino veterans have for the US
government after so many decades of broken promises, but I'm not sure what
sources of bad feelings other Filipino immigrants have that you are pointing
out here (unless they are the common immigrant issues of exclusion,
discrimination, poor treatment, "ghettoization", etc. -- but somehow I don't
get the feeling from what you wrote that that is what you mean).
I'm very interested in getting this dialog going. It has ramifications for
Filipinos in the RP, Filipino/Americans and Kanos alike.
Randy
Terminator
True indeed!! Very well said.
When two parties distrust one another and are not willing to compromise to
in the context of mutual respect and cultural understanding, a solution for
a peaceful co-existence is a very formidable task(if not impossible) to
achieve.
Both sides must be able to see the other the way the other see themselves.
Flexiblity and understanding with any culture will lead to conformity and
acceptance.
<tch...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8celno$tls$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Tansong Isda
> Explain.
I placed a slash to differentiate with dash, didn't pan out...
There are miscues between recent arrivals and been here for a while. Also
among Filipinos and Americans. Like what I am trying to point out now, not
that good. But I am glad there's response.
>
> Well, for one, let's start with "Kano". If I walk around calling you a
> "Flip", how anxious are you going to be to "reach out" to me?
Well, Tim started that, I don't use Kano once I arrived here...it is
irrelevant. But I don't mind being called a Flip...
Anyway, sometimes the post isn't racist or inflamatory, it is taken as one,
from you white guys (and blacks) when the post is really about an issue.
> I've personally been on both sides. I'm a white American, but I've also
> spent years living in countries where I'm definitely a minority. I have
> had the advantage, though, of being financially better off than those
> who were in the majority, so the experience isn't the same.
Most Americans who has a stable relationship with an Asian have that
experience, this is one thing most of us Flips forget, remind us.
FYI, I am a minority wherever I am. And it doesn't bother me one bit.
> If you want a quick opinion (subject to change after I've heard your
> side) I'd suggest that you go to http://www.pattayamail.com and read
> the letters to the editor. This is an English language newspaper from
> Pattaya, Thailand. A lot of white foreigners (called farangs which
> literally means "caucasian") live there and this newspaper is their
> "mouthpiece" (so to speak). When you read the letters you'll see that
> the bitch non-stop about the Thai people. Constant complaining about
> apartheid, being mistreated, abused, etc.
I doubt if you will have this experience in the Philippines, I have a
brother-in-law that's half Thai and Anglo-American. Hanged around Filipinos
in Thailand because all we care about is music, cars, girls, food, party and
making money....that is on the outside at least.
Uh....for some strange reason, he looks like me more than my own brother
does.
> The fact is that there is very little of this that actually goes on.
> (Of course, like anywhere, there are always one or two assholes.) But
> when you get down into what's happening, a small part of it is actual
> mistreatment (something you could call racism), another small part is
> brought on by the whining farangs themselves (expecting special
> treatment for some reason). But the overwhelming majority of the
> problem is simply mis-communication. The Thai are looking at the
> farangs through the prism of their culture and the farangs are looking
> back through their own.
>
> Result? Miscommunication, bad feelings, suspicion, you name it. Very
> little true abuse takes place. But when it does the leaders and the
> media grab on to it and play on the bad feelings.
This is the common result, this happens here as well, doesn't it? Sometimes
words can hurt, I am guilty as well. But what the heck, this is only
virtual...
> I suspect that the overwhelming majority of whatever bad feelings exist
> in the US between Asians and whites can be tracked down to the same
> cause.
>
> Solution? Communication. True communication. And that means whites
> listening to minorities and granting them the respect for their culture
> to accept that what they're saying is what they're really feeling. And
> that means minorities listening to whites and granting them the respect
> for their culture to accept that what they're saying is what they're
> really feeling.
>
> In the real world what happens is that minorities express their
> feelings and the whites don't believe them. And the whites express
> their feelings and the minorities don't believe them.
>
> It's a two-sided road. And neither side seems all that much interested
> in crossing over.
>
> --
> Tchi...@HoTMaiL.com
> Work like you don't need the money.
> Love like you've never been hurt.
> Dance like nobody's watching.
Well, some of us have no choice since we are in between. Can't cross over
then.
Tansong Isda
> I'm not real clear here on the issues. I think you are saying that
> Filipino/Americans who came to the US years back have bad feelings for the
> US or "Standard Americans"? Feelings that new arrivals don't understand.
> Can you elaborate?
Bad choice of words, most new arrivals haven't felt the same reception that
older people have felt from Americans in general. They just haven't felt the
prejudice yet maybe.
Filipinos came here in different waves, and different social climates. Younger
generation who grew up here (younger ones) don't know this things, then theres
the FOBs.
> I can understand the bad feelings that Filipino veterans have for the US
> government after so many decades of broken promises, but I'm not sure what
> sources of bad feelings other Filipino immigrants have that you are pointing
> out here (unless they are the common immigrant issues of exclusion,
> discrimination, poor treatment, "ghettoization", etc. -- but somehow I don't
> get the feeling from what you wrote that that is what you mean).
Those who arrived in the 30s to 50s have different experiences from those who
arrived later on. Later on America became a little enlightened about the
diversity fo people and the advantages, today it is even better on some areas.
> I'm very interested in getting this dialog going. It has ramifications for
> Filipinos in the RP, Filipino/Americans and Kanos alike.
>
> Randy
Sorry, I was rambling....
Yes. Better issues than Tim's isn't it?
Tansong Isda
>
> Both sides must be able to see the other the way the other see themselves.
>
> Flexiblity and understanding with any culture will lead to conformity and
> acceptance.
>
in the picture!) thing one has to worry about. In fact, no
one needs to conform. Acceptance is all.
Edgar Cabalo
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sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
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Bastus Kano
"Tansong Isda" <ta...@dehinstogins.toi> wrote in message
> tch...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Well, Tim started that, I don't use Kano once I arrived here...it is
> irrelevant. But I don't mind being called a Flip...
> Anyway, sometimes the post isn't racist or inflamatory, it is taken as
one,
> from you white guys (and blacks) when the post is really about an issue.
>
I can only speak for myself, but I kinda like referring to myself as "Kano".
When I am with Filipinos who do not know me, when I use it I get a smile and
they seem to relax a little. I also tend to refer to myself as "the white
boy" (boy? what size do the MEN grow where you come from?) everywhere --
it's always been a joke in my family that I was the token white boy (we've
always had more Filipinos living in our household than whites -- Tagalog is
spoken more here than English).
I don't know if this is a good sign or what, but I had to teach my children
and my daughter's boyfriend (Ilocano - he was probably 18 at the time) the
term "Flip". If they had ever heard the term, they had not connected it
with Filipino. I should ask my daughter, who is in the Filipino-American
club at UC Riverside, whether the term is used by students referring to
themselves. I always thought of it as a negative term, but my kids have
adopted it as a humorous self-reference (perhaps the same way blacks use the
"N" word referring to each other, but hate it when non-blacks use it).
Randy
Tansong Isda
Gago!, basahin mo nga ng husto ang paskel ko bago ka
pumutak...!!
Maraming dahilan kaya lumalayas ang mga matatalino sa atin,
hindi ako kasali, nung umalis ako...wala akong talino.
Isa sa problema ay ang ating manunuro at ang mga pag-iisip
nila, tuturuan ka para lumayas at magin utusan ng mga
'Merkano.
Tansong Isda
>
> I don't know if this is a good sign or what, but I had to teach my children
> and my daughter's boyfriend (Ilocano - he was probably 18 at the time) the
> term "Flip". If they had ever heard the term, they had not connected it
> with Filipino. I should ask my daughter, who is in the Filipino-American
> club at UC Riverside, whether the term is used by students referring to
> themselves. I always thought of it as a negative term, but my kids have
> adopted it as a humorous self-reference (perhaps the same way blacks use the
> "N" word referring to each other, but hate it when non-blacks use it).
>
> Randy
I use Flip as an endearing term...yes like the "N" word. It
is a badge of honor and rebelious stand against name
calling.
Hechizo
Edgar Cabalo <egaycabal...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:041e33b5...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com...
> kaya lang nagkakaroon ng brain drain dito sa pilipinas ay dahil
> may mga duwag na matatalino kuno na gustong mas malaki ang kita
> sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
> mga ito buti pa tumahimik na lang kayo at chupain ninyo ang titi
> ninyo.
>
mahirap gawin 'yon!
=|
H.
Bastus Kano
"Tansong Isda" <ta...@sabinanghindiginto.ito> wrote in message
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> Bastus Kano wrote:
> >
>
>
> I use Flip as an endearing term...yes like the "N" word. It
> is a badge of honor and rebelious stand against name
> calling.
Pretty much the same way I use "white boy"; I also find that when someone
uses it to try to put me down, it doesn't bother me at all.
Randy
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Bastus Kano <jrs...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
hey randy, you sound like one really okay guy, you know? pleased to make
your acquaintance even if it's just on this newsgroup.
tulisan
Bastus Kano
Actually, if I'm not good, my wife beats me. That's pretty embarassing, so
I try to avoid it... <g>
Randy
"tulisan" <tul...@pacific.net.ph> wrote in message
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Stephen Roach
<ta...@dehinstogins.toi> wrote:
> the RP. The educated and skilled generally have an easier time moving
> where
> they want, with the unfortinate effect of draining some significant
> portion
> of talent from their country.
>
I take your point that this has happened elsewhere. It was a problem
in the '60s in the UK - mainly because of the high taxes. But it is a
really big problem in the Philippines. I have a team of excellent IT
people who simply don't want to be here. They could easily get very
good jobs in the US or elsewhere for that matter (we lost a project
manager to Australia, for example). I happen to know that the only way
we have managed to keep the team together is by offering them a very
good package. But, as soon as the project winds down and we don't need
their skills anymore (they are mostly contractors), they will be
queuing up at the US embassy down the road for their visas and the
Philippines will lose another 1/2 dozen skilled people. It's a real
bloody shame but they have my blessing because I have every sympathy
with their dilemma. There are few foreign companies left in the
Philippines and there are not too many queuing up to get here, either.
That means that the ream will end up working for a local company who
is not prepare to raise their package to keep them. So they end up
overcoming their loyalty and taking their highly saleable skills
elsewhere.
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Kalamay
What are you saying here? I don't understand what issues you are talking
about.
Perhaps, you should use less pronouns.
Kalamay
tch...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I suspect that the overwhelming majority of whatever bad feelings exist
> in the US between Asians and whites can be tracked down to the same
> cause.
>
> Solution? Communication. True communication. And that means whites
> listening to minorities and granting them the respect for their culture
> to accept that what they're saying is what they're really feeling. And
> that means minorities listening to whites and granting them the respect
> for their culture to accept that what they're saying is what they're
> really feeling.
>
> In the real world what happens is that minorities express their
> feelings and the whites don't believe them. And the whites express
> their feelings and the minorities don't believe them.
>
> It's a two-sided road. And neither side seems all that much interested
> in crossing over.
Again, I'm sick of these pinoys asking for approval from the whites. Why
is it necessary for you to be approved by the white Americans? Is that
going to make you a better person? Can you get a job here? Does your
rank in your company goes up? Do you have a comfortable life?
Yes, Yes, Yes. I don't understand what bad feelings you are talking about.
Is it because they call you FOB? So? Is it because they call you flip?
So? Asians have the highest average salary here in America. Is that
a surprise to you that the white Americans only came second? You are
a minority, expect the crap for some time. But you are still accepted here.
Asians are more tolerated than the blacks and they've been here for at
least 300 years. And what's with this true communication crap? You
sound like a politician. How are you going to achieve that? Talking
helps, but it doesn't necessarily solve anything. A culture gains respect
by mass number, influence whether through food, traditions, religion, etc.,
and time. Look at the Chinese. Their numbers are growing fast. How
popular is Chinese food? How many Chinese stars do you see on tv now?
Besides Bruce Lee, this never happened in the 50s, 60, 70s. Now, they
have Chinese people in talk shows, tv shows. Ever heard of Ling in Ally
McBeal? If you have mass number, then you can be marketed? Get it?
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"Bastus Kano" <jrs...@home.com> wrote:
> I can only speak for myself, but I kinda like referring to myself
>as "Kano". When I am with Filipinos who do not know me, when I use it
>I get a smile and they seem to relax a little. I also tend to refer
>to myself as "the white boy" (boy? what size do the MEN grow where
>you come from?) everywhere
Heh, my best college friend is as white as they come-- half German,
half Finnish, and we used to joke around with each other calling each
other "great big white girl" or "little Filipino person." People who
heard us that didn't know that we were really good friends would
frequently be appalled.
>> I always thought of it as a negative term, but my kids have
> adopted it as a humorous self-reference (perhaps the same way blacks
>use the "N" word referring to each other, but hate it when non-blacks
>use it).
I don't regard "Flip" as having negative connotations at all. I don't
think it's a label that white people use insultingly to refer to
Filipinos, like nigger is used to insult black folk. I was always
under the impression that the use of the word "Flip" was begun by
Filipino-Americans to refer to themselves. But who knows...?
LeeBat
>I was always
>under the impression that the use of the word "Flip" was begun by
>Filipino-Americans to refer to themselves. But who knows...?
Don't think anyone has the definitive answer but the first time I heard the
term was in the mid-50s from a white WW2 vet who had served in the PI. I had to
ask him what it meant as I had never heard a Pinoy use it. Next time I heard it
was from a couple of white kids from CA.
I remember asking my father about the term. He just shook his head and laughed.
It wasn't (necessarily) used as a derogatory term but usually a shortening of
Filipino. You know, the same as Mex was used to shorten Mexican. If you wanted
really insulting terms for Mexicans you could choose from the far more colorful
Spic, Greaser and (gasp) Beaner.
The hilarious "fucken-little-island-people" evolved much later and still cracks
me up. I don't use the term Flip but I've never been offended when non-Pinoys
use it. To me its merely neutral.
They don't seem to have ever coined a really insulting term for Filipinos in
the States. Does that mean we've been deprived and are thus eligible for
special funding?
Kalamay
pennyr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I don't regard "Flip" as having negative connotations at all. I don't
> think it's a label that white people use insultingly to refer to
> Filipinos, like nigger is used to insult black folk. I was always
> under the impression that the use of the word "Flip" was begun by
> Filipino-Americans to refer to themselves. But who knows...?
The word "flip" was created by a bunch of gaya-gaya Filipino-Americans.
Blacks call each other niggers. Filipinos, realizing they are a minority
too,
also made up a name for themselves; hence, comes flip. FLIP = Fucking
Little Island People. The word flip begun in California by a bunch of
very confused Filipino-Americans. No one has ever called me flip in my
lifetime. I don't use the word flip either. But if you want to see
pinoys
using that word, then all you need to do is find a bunch of young pinoys
with baggy pants and talk like a black man from the ghetto.
Tansong Isda
Kalamay, how old are you?
Young guys haven't heard this term, but Filipino-Americans have been calling
themselves Flips for years. Only recently, this term is not often heard,
meaning young people have not heard this, mostly.
No gaya-gaya there, years ago, Filipinos are a maligned group called to be
troublemakers and special laws have been passed to suppress Filipinos....but
of course, it didn't work for long, thanks to the intelligent manongs who
arrived with skills and gumption to fight it out in court and other means.
Imagine, Chinese, blacks and Mexicans have been here longer and Filipinos in
less than 100yrs. in the US forced changes in regards to their treatment! And
these people who forced these changes called themselves Flips or
Pinoys...fuckin-little-island-people...that came later.
Bastus Kano
"LeeBat" <lee...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> pennyrichter wrote:
> The hilarious "fucken-little-island-people" evolved much later and still
cracks
> me up. I don't use the term Flip but I've never been offended when
non-Pinoys
> use it. To me its merely neutral.
Never heard that one. I won't tell my future son-in-law because he's a
little self-conscious about his height... He was working for me in high
school, and came up to me in the warehouse and said "I need some more
product. I'm short." Being the BK I am, I foolishly said, "Sorry, Chester,
you'll always be short."
> They don't seem to have ever coined a really insulting term for Filipinos
in
> the States. Does that mean we've been deprived and are thus eligible for
> special funding?
Don't know if this was ever used in the real world, but a '50s - early 60s
movie about an American GI stranded on the PI (maybe Tab Hunter?) got
offended after being picked up by a US submarine whose sailors referred to
Filipinos as "fish heads".
Randy
Kalamay
Tansong Isda wrote:
> Kalamay, how old are you?
> Young guys haven't heard this term, but Filipino-Americans have been calling
> themselves Flips for years. Only recently, this term is not often heard,
> meaning young people have not heard this, mostly.
> No gaya-gaya there, years ago, Filipinos are a maligned group called to be
> troublemakers and special laws have been passed to suppress Filipinos....but
> of course, it didn't work for long, thanks to the intelligent manongs who
> arrived with skills and gumption to fight it out in court and other means.
> Imagine, Chinese, blacks and Mexicans have been here longer and Filipinos in
> less than 100yrs. in the US forced changes in regards to their treatment! And
> these people who forced these changes called themselves Flips or
> Pinoys...fuckin-little-island-people...that came later.
That's good to know. Nevertheless, flip is used by Filipino-American kids as
a term to refer to themselves like nigger to the blacks. Actually, nigger
is now used by kids from different ethnic groups except white kids. Hehehe.
They are not allowed to use it.
tulisan
in
> the States. Does that mean we've been deprived and are thus eligible for
> special funding?
>
LOL!!!
tulisan
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G0TEQ
Pietro E Reyes, III
to WWII until the present. I've operated the amateur bands in the
Philippines from 1970 to 1982 when I left for overseas. Among the most
popular bands are 60, 40, 10 15 and 20 meters on HF in that order of
popularity and 2 meters (mostly from 144-146Mhz) on VHF and 70 cm on UHF. By
the time I was about to leave, a number of the amateurs were doing EME
(earth-moon-earth or "moonbounce" as many refer to it), slow and fast scan
TV, and there were a good number of Filipino amateur operators who accessed
OSCAR (Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio). One could operate the VHF
frequencies using only a handheld by accessing the many repeaters (both
legal and illegal) that were operating all over Northern Luzon (probably a
lot of them too in the other islands).
11 meter Citizens Band radio became popular sometime in the mid to late 70s
when it also peaked in popularity in the USA. Since amateurs used the
sidebands and rarely used the AM mode, a number of them (at least those who
used rigs with "synthesized" frequencies) would access the 11 meter CB band
through this.
Among the oldest amateur radio organization in the Philippines is PARA
(Philippine Amateur Radio Association). PARA also offered bureau services
through which QSL cards would be exchanged.
73
Pietro
DU1KDP
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"nazsyd" <naz...@sydnaz.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8cq0fm$mr8$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
LeeBat
>Never heard that one. I won't tell my future son-in-law because he's a
>little self-conscious about his height...
I'm only 5' 7" but I've never a fixation about my height. Since my mom and dad
were each barely 5' 0", I've always thought of myself as a giant.
>Don't know if this was ever used in the real world, but a '50s - early 60s
>movie about an American GI stranded on the PI (maybe Tab Hunter?) got
>offended after being picked up by a US submarine whose sailors referred to
>Filipinos as "fish heads".
Yeah, it existed tho I haven't heard it for years. It sometimes also had the
word "eaters" appended.
Never gained widespread use, at least to my tender ears. I only heard it used
in a teasing manner, rather than insulting. Given Filipino eating habits, it
just made me laugh. Of course, this was back in pre-PC days.
If the term were uttered today, I would be required to be mortally insulted and
the offender would lose his job, home, family and (at least) have his nuts cut
off.
LeeBat
who needs a good recipe for testes adobo
Dirty Sick Pig
>
> Bastus Kano wrote:
>
> >Don't know if this was ever used in the real world, but a '50s - early 60s
> >movie about an American GI stranded on the PI (maybe Tab Hunter?) got
> >offended after being picked up by a US submarine whose sailors referred to
> >Filipinos as "fish heads".
>
> Yeah, it existed tho I haven't heard it for years. It sometimes also had the
> word "eaters" appended.
>
> Never gained widespread use, at least to my tender ears. I only heard it used
> in a teasing manner, rather than insulting. Given Filipino eating habits, it
> just made me laugh. Of course, this was back in pre-PC days.
>
> If the term were uttered today, I would be required to be mortally insulted and
> the offender would lose his job, home, family and (at least) have his nuts cut
> off.
John Wayne sang, "Oh, the monkeys have no tails in Zamboanga" in one of
his old, old, old movies.
DSP
Robert Hauger
Feed it to the ducks. Old Thia custom
ROBERT B.HAUGER
Robert Hauger
Flip is probably a shorting of the old GI Philip t refer to a
Filipino,just as Kano is a contraction of American.
BY the way the N word means "a stupid or ignorant person" the color of
ones skin is not part of the definition. That came later.
ROBERT B.HAUGER
Norman G. Owen
I would be very interested in your documentation of this last statement,
since every source I have looked at derives "nigger" from some variation
on the term "negro," which simply means "black" in Spanish.
Norman G. Owen
ngo...@hku.hk
Anthony B Pineda
magsusumikap para sa kinabukasan ng pamilya ko...palagay mo ba MATALINONG
desisiyon ang gutumin ang pamilya...kung inggit lang ang kaya mong ipangatuwiran
dito sa newsgroup na ito, pati bayag mo tsupain mo na rin...tang-ina mo wala
kang kwentang Pilipino...
Edgar Cabalo wrote:
> kaya lang nagkakaroon ng brain drain dito sa pilipinas ay dahil
> may mga duwag na matatalino kuno na gustong mas malaki ang kita
> sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
> mga ito buti pa tumahimik na lang kayo at chupain ninyo ang titi
> ninyo.
>
egayc...@hotmail.com
Anthony B Pineda <pineda_...@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
> talagang may brain drain....isa na yung utak mo...at bakit naman hindi
ako
> magsusumikap para sa kinabukasan ng pamilya ko...palagay mo ba
MATALINONG
> desisiyon ang gutumin ang pamilya...kung inggit lang ang kaya mong
ipangatuwiran
> dito sa newsgroup na ito, pati bayag mo tsupain mo na rin...tang-ina
mo wala
> kang kwentang Pilipino...
>
Sa ilang milyong tao dito sa Pilipinas na natatrabaho para sa pamilya
nila na hindi umaalis ng bansa at nakikipagkumpitensya sa mga
mangangalakal na intsik, bumbay at hapon bakit kaya hindi nila nakuhang
umalis? Sige kung ang pag-iisip mo ay katulad ng mga Pilipinong
namumuhay dito sa pilipinas aba ay wala nang matitira dito. At sinasabi
mong napakagaling ng desisyon mo para sa pamilya mo at sarili mo?
ULUUUL! DUWAG KA PA RIN! Hindi mo kaya ang kumpitensya dito sa
PILIPINAS. Pagamot ka na sa pinakamalapit na ospital dahil Drain na ang
utak mo meron ka pang BRAIN DAMAGE.
> Edgar Cabalo wrote:
>
> > kaya lang nagkakaroon ng brain drain dito sa pilipinas ay dahil
> > may mga duwag na matatalino kuno na gustong mas malaki ang kita
> > sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
> > mga ito buti pa tumahimik na lang kayo at chupain ninyo ang titi
> > ninyo.
> >
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Just JT
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>
> Sa ilang milyong tao dito sa Pilipinas na natatrabaho para sa pamilya
> nila na hindi umaalis ng bansa at nakikipagkumpitensya sa mga
> mangangalakal na intsik, bumbay at hapon bakit kaya hindi nila nakuhang
> umalis? Sige kung ang pag-iisip mo ay katulad ng mga Pilipinong
> namumuhay dito sa pilipinas aba ay wala nang matitira dito. At sinasabi
> mong napakagaling ng desisyon mo para sa pamilya mo at sarili mo?
> ULUUUL! DUWAG KA PA RIN! Hindi mo kaya ang kumpitensya dito sa
> PILIPINAS. Pagamot ka na sa pinakamalapit na ospital dahil Drain na ang
> utak mo meron ka pang BRAIN DAMAGE.
You claim that migration is a sign of cowardice, mate. Didn't you say that
you are originally from Pampanga? Didn't you say that you have MIGRATED from
Pampanga to Manila? Because you yourself migrated from one place to another,
then by your logic, YOU'RE A COWARD, TOO. Agree, mate?
--
Talk to me at
Johnn...@Hotmail.Com
egayc...@hotmail.com
ba akong sinabi na sa Maynila ang mga ito? Sa totoo lang brader, ang
kabuhayan ko ay sa Pampanga pa rin. Pero hindi yan ang punto. Isang
mababaw na argumento yang nabanggit mo. Alang kwenta. O gusto mo lang
malaman ang trabaho ko at tinitirahan ko. Tumuwad ka na lang at
titirahin kita sa Pwet.
ki...@my-deja.com
bayan?
Duwag ba kapag ng tao kung gustong malasap ang ginhawa para sa pamilya?
Duwag ba ang mga OCW's na ang puhunan ay hirap at pawis? Minsan bog-bog
ang mga dinas sa mga malulupit kamay dayuhan. Kung walang suwerte
natodas o' bangkay ang abot. Hindot! Sino ngayon ang may bayag ?
In article <041e33b5...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>,
Edgar Cabalo <egaycabal...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> kaya lang nagkakaroon ng brain drain dito sa pilipinas ay dahil
> may mga duwag na matatalino kuno na gustong mas malaki ang kita
> sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
> mga ito buti pa tumahimik na lang kayo at chupain ninyo ang titi
> ninyo.
>
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Network *
> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet -
Free!
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>
PlzBeMine
egayc...@hotmail.com
at gamitin ang yong husay at kaalaman para sa ikauunlad ng iyong bansa
bilang isang manggagawa o mangangalakal. Tangna mo sabihin mo ngang
masipag ka, sinong unang-unang nakikinabang ng sinasabi mong dugo at
pawis? Ang bansa mo bang Pilipinas? Katanganhan kasi kaya napapahamak
yung ilang Pilipino sa ibang bansa. Ikaw, kaya mo bang makipagsabayan
sa utak ng mga kapwa mo Pilipino? Kung ganyan ang sintinyimiyento de
asukal mo aba lalangamin lang yang katuwiran mo.
Ano ano ba ang mga trabaho nyong mga HINDOT kayo dyan? Sige isa-isahin
natin.
Factory worker? Kung factory worker ka tapos gumagawa ka ng mga
produkto na laruan, electronics o ibang appliances, ito ang tanong ko:
Saang bansa ibinebenta yang ginagawa mo? Di ba't minsan ay sa
Pilipinas? Sino ang kumikita ng malaki? Ikaw ba? Hindi dahil hindot
ka! Ang nakinabang talaga ng dugo at pawis mo ay ang mga kumpanya na
pag-aari ng mga amo mong dayuhan.
Ikaw ba ay engineer, karpintero, kantero o arkitekto? Kaninong mga
bahay at gusali ang ginagawa ninyo? At sa ginawa ninyong mga
edipisyong yan sino ang tumitira sino ang nakikinabang? Pilipino ba?
Ikaw ba ay isang computer expert? Yang sa mga software at hardware na
mga produkto na yinayari ninyo, sino ba ang tumatangkilik nyang puhunan
ng dugo at pawis ninyo? Di ba't ang mga bumibili ng mga ginawa mismo
ninyo ay isa na dito ay mga Pinoy na nandito sa Pilipinas?
Gagawin ninyo sa ibang bansa tapos ibebenta ninyo sa Pilipinas. Ang
mga amo ninyo ay mga banyaga na sinusuwelduhan kayo ng tama dahil sa
kahusayan ninyo at kakayahan upang ang produkto na ibebenta nila sa mga
Pilipino ay primera klase. Maraming magagaling at mahuhusay na
Pilipino ang nasa labas ng bansa at nanunungkulan bilang taga-himod o
taga-dila ng puwit ng mga amo nilang banyaga. Kahindutan yang sinasabi
mong walang gaanong oportunidad dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi ka lang
siguro gaanong marunong maghanap. O di kaya'y sarado na ang isip mo na
mas malaki ang kita sa ibang bansa na mas maganda dahil magiging mas
maayos ang buhay ng pamilya mo. Lahat tayo ay may kani-kaniyang
pamilya. Pero ang ganang akin man lamang, kung ikaw ay isang magulang
parang sinasabi mo na rin sa mga anak mo na SIGE MGA ANAK MAG-ARAL
KAYONG MABUTI PARA PAG NAKATAPOS KAYO PWEDE NA KAYONG MAG-ABROAD
KATULAD KO DAHIL MAS MALAKI ANG KITA KO DITO. Tutoong malaki ang
kinkita mo at mas maaliwalas ang pamumuhay ng pamilya mo pero sa
kalagayan mong yan di mo man sabihin sa mga anak mo, unti-unti mong
pinamumulat sa kanila na MAG-ABROAD ka na lang dahil WALANG KWENTANG
MAGTRABAHO DITO SA PILIPINAS. Tangna kung ganito rin lang ang
katuwiran mo, bigtihin mo na lang ang sarili mo sa BULBOL mo!
In article <8danl9$27a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
egayc...@hotmail.com
"PlzBeMine" <yn...@quickweb.com.ph> wrote:
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> Oist korek ka jan... parang wala tayong isinusugal para lang mabigyan
> nang ginhawa ang ating mga mahal sa buhay a...
>
> Ang pagtatrabaho sa ibang bansa ay hindi karuwagan. Tanggapin na lang
> natin ang katutuhanan na walang ibang paraan sa atin para mabigyan
> ginhawa ang pamilya...
>
Aber, ano naman ang sasabihin mo sa anak mo pag-nagtapos sya sa
kolehiyo? Magtrabaho din abroad dahil nandoon lang ang oportunidad?
Yun lang ang paraan para mabiyan mo nang ginhawa ang pamilya mo? Pwede
ka namang magtayo ng beauty parlor katulad ko? Pwede kang magtinda ng
isda at gulay sa palengke. Pwede kang gumawa ng mga decorative
materials na yari sa mga materyales na dito lang matatagpuan sa
Pilipinas. Pwede kang magtayo ng sarili mong turo-turo. Pwede kang
magbungkal at mag-araro ng lupain at mag-tanim ng mga yamang lupa
katulad ng kamote, ube, gabi, singkamas, pakwan, melon at MANGGA.
Pwede ka ring maging mangangalakal ng mga piyesa ng kotse, barko at
eroplano. Maraming Pinoy ang umaasenso sa kanyang sariling bayan.
Kung ang mga intsik, vietkong at mga bumbay ay dumadagsa dito sa
Pilipinas, yun namang nagtapos na mga merong cum-laude ang lumalayas
dahil wala daw oportunidad dito. TANGNANG KATUWIRAN YAN! DUWAG!
Tansong Isda
>
> Aber, ano naman ang sasabihin mo sa anak mo pag-nagtapos sya sa
> kolehiyo? Magtrabaho din abroad dahil nandoon lang ang oportunidad?
> Yun lang ang paraan para mabiyan mo nang ginhawa ang pamilya mo? Pwede
> ka namang magtayo ng beauty parlor katulad ko? Pwede kang magtinda ng
> isda at gulay sa palengke. Pwede kang gumawa ng mga decorative
> materials na yari sa mga materyales na dito lang matatagpuan sa
> Pilipinas. Pwede kang magtayo ng sarili mong turo-turo. Pwede kang
> magbungkal at mag-araro ng lupain at mag-tanim ng mga yamang lupa
> katulad ng kamote, ube, gabi, singkamas, pakwan, melon at MANGGA.
> Pwede ka ring maging mangangalakal ng mga piyesa ng kotse, barko at
> eroplano. Maraming Pinoy ang umaasenso sa kanyang sariling bayan.
> Kung ang mga intsik, vietkong at mga bumbay ay dumadagsa dito sa
> Pilipinas, yun namang nagtapos na mga merong cum-laude ang lumalayas
> dahil wala daw oportunidad dito. TANGNANG KATUWIRAN YAN! DUWAG!
>
Ibig sabihin, kukunin mo ba siyang empleyo? Sa maganda mong business?
Just JT
news:8dg57n$q5m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> sabihin mo ngang masipag ka, sinong unang-unang nakikinabang ng sinasabi
mong dugo at
> pawis?
Why, our family, of course. We earn well, our family benefits.
> Ikaw, kaya mo bang makipagsabayan sa utak ng mga kapwa mo Pilipino?
----------------
I've worked there for ten years and the fruits of my hard work were not that
much. That's why I moved elsewhere. At the end of the day, we can only work
so many years and we might as well maximised our earning capability, right?
>
> Ano ano ba ang mga trabaho nyong mga HINDOT kayo dyan? Sige isa-isahin
> natin.
>
> Factory worker? Kung factory worker ka tapos gumagawa ka ng mga
> produkto na laruan, electronics o ibang appliances, ito ang tanong ko:
> Saang bansa ibinebenta yang ginagawa mo? Di ba't minsan ay sa
> Pilipinas? Sino ang kumikita ng malaki? Ikaw ba?
--------------
If you're a factory worker in PI, you earn US$5 a day. If you're a factory
worker in Oz, you earn US$6 an hour. If you're insinuating exploitation of
workers, then, by the low salary in PI, the exploitation is there and not
overseas.
>
> Ikaw ba ay isang computer expert? Yang sa mga software at hardware na
> mga produkto na yinayari ninyo, sino ba ang tumatangkilik nyang puhunan
> ng dugo at pawis ninyo? Di ba't ang mga bumibili ng mga ginawa mismo
> ninyo ay isa na dito ay mga Pinoy na nandito sa Pilipinas?
>
> Gagawin ninyo sa ibang bansa tapos ibebenta ninyo sa Pilipinas.
-------------
I can only speak for the computer software industry. There is little
incentive to write software in PI because piracy is rampant. 99 of 100 users
of your software are Captain Hook types. Software piracy is thus backfiring
for PI. If PI were serious in combatting software piracy, perhaps there
would be a bigger software industry in PI.
> Pero ang ganang akin man lamang, kung ikaw ay isang magulang
> parang sinasabi mo na rin sa mga anak mo na SIGE MGA ANAK MAG-ARAL
> KAYONG MABUTI PARA PAG NAKATAPOS KAYO PWEDE NA KAYONG MAG-ABROAD
> KATULAD KO DAHIL MAS MALAKI ANG KITA KO DITO. Tutoong malaki ang
> kinkita mo at mas maaliwalas ang pamumuhay ng pamilya mo pero sa
> kalagayan mong yan di mo man sabihin sa mga anak mo, unti-unti mong
> pinamumulat sa kanila na MAG-ABROAD ka na lang dahil WALANG KWENTANG
> MAGTRABAHO DITO SA PILIPINAS.
--------------
Why not? What is PI and what is overseas? It is still part of the earth.
What is important is that people have the choice to live where they want and
earn as much as they want. If that means leaving PI and working overseas, so
be it.
Remember that the human race has always been a migratory species. From
latest theories, all human kind originated from Africa and then spread all
over the world. Asians via the land bridges moved to the Americas way back
when. That is no different from a person carrying a working visa to the US
and flying via Northwest.
You have to face it, Egay. Migrating to other lands is human nature.
egayc...@hotmail.com
Baka empleyado ang ibig mong sabihin. Sa susunod tumingin ka ng
English Tagalog dictionary pero 'wag yung katulad nung kay DSP kasi
nabasa daw nya na ang EWAN ay AYWAN.
Bakit naman hindi ko kukuning EMPLEYADO ang tao na kuwalipikado sa
posisyon at may abilidad sa naturingang trabaho?
Tansong Isda
Jeez, man, I grew up speaking both languages and mastered none!
Problema, baka hindi mo kayang ibayad ang gusto niya na makukuha niya sa
abroad. Masama ang brain drain, buong bansa ang naghihirap, pero isipin
naman natin na kung walang mag-susuweldo sa kanila sa Pinas, bakit mo
pipilitin....
Ang nagkukulang diyan ay ang gubyerno, hindi ang tao, hindi rin ikaw at
ako....kung maari akong mabuhay diyan, diyan na lang ako....this is me.
ki...@my-deja.com
ka magtrabho..sino ang makikinabang sa hindot mong hirap at pawis? Sino
pa kung iyang mga Kumitang na Intsik at mga dambuhalang multi-national
co. Hindot mo, peso ang bayad nila pero dito dollar. Iyang mga
semiconductor gaya ng Intel at Cypress diyan sa Pilipinas, sigurado ka
ba hindi sila argabyado sa sahod? Hindot mo, ang inhenyero ang bayad
nila ay 10k pesos lamang. Pero dito 42k US dolyares. Mamili ka ngayon
kung mabigyan ka ng pagkakataon magtrabaho sa ibang bansa? Hindot
ka,sige mamili ka?
In article <8dg57n$q5m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
egayc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hindot ka rin! Kaya mo bang makipagsapalaran sa mga kapwa mo Pilipino
> at gamitin ang yong husay at kaalaman para sa ikauunlad ng iyong bansa
> bilang isang manggagawa o mangangalakal. Tangna mo sabihin mo ngang
> masipag ka, sinong unang-unang nakikinabang ng sinasabi mong dugo at
> pawis? Ang bansa mo bang Pilipinas? Katanganhan kasi kaya
napapahamak
> yung ilang Pilipino sa ibang bansa. Ikaw, kaya mo bang makipagsabayan
> sa utak ng mga kapwa mo Pilipino? Kung ganyan ang sintinyimiyento de
> asukal mo aba lalangamin lang yang katuwiran mo.
>
> Ano ano ba ang mga trabaho nyong mga HINDOT kayo dyan? Sige isa-
isahin
> natin.
>
> Factory worker? Kung factory worker ka tapos gumagawa ka ng mga
> produkto na laruan, electronics o ibang appliances, ito ang tanong ko:
> Saang bansa ibinebenta yang ginagawa mo? Di ba't minsan ay sa
> Pilipinas? Sino ang kumikita ng malaki? Ikaw ba? Hindi dahil hindot
> ka! Ang nakinabang talaga ng dugo at pawis mo ay ang mga kumpanya na
> pag-aari ng mga amo mong dayuhan.
>
> Ikaw ba ay engineer, karpintero, kantero o arkitekto? Kaninong mga
> bahay at gusali ang ginagawa ninyo? At sa ginawa ninyong mga
> edipisyong yan sino ang tumitira sino ang nakikinabang? Pilipino ba?
>
> Ikaw ba ay isang computer expert? Yang sa mga software at hardware na
> mga produkto na yinayari ninyo, sino ba ang tumatangkilik nyang
puhunan
> ng dugo at pawis ninyo? Di ba't ang mga bumibili ng mga ginawa mismo
> ninyo ay isa na dito ay mga Pinoy na nandito sa Pilipinas?
>
> Gagawin ninyo sa ibang bansa tapos ibebenta ninyo sa Pilipinas. Ang
> mga amo ninyo ay mga banyaga na sinusuwelduhan kayo ng tama dahil sa
> kahusayan ninyo at kakayahan upang ang produkto na ibebenta nila sa
mga
> Pilipino ay primera klase. Maraming magagaling at mahuhusay na
> Pilipino ang nasa labas ng bansa at nanunungkulan bilang taga-himod o
> taga-dila ng puwit ng mga amo nilang banyaga. Kahindutan yang
sinasabi
> mong walang gaanong oportunidad dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi ka lang
> siguro gaanong marunong maghanap. O di kaya'y sarado na ang isip mo
na
> mas malaki ang kita sa ibang bansa na mas maganda dahil magiging mas
> maayos ang buhay ng pamilya mo. Lahat tayo ay may kani-kaniyang
> pamilya. Pero ang ganang akin man lamang, kung ikaw ay isang magulang
> parang sinasabi mo na rin sa mga anak mo na SIGE MGA ANAK MAG-ARAL
> KAYONG MABUTI PARA PAG NAKATAPOS KAYO PWEDE NA KAYONG MAG-ABROAD
> KATULAD KO DAHIL MAS MALAKI ANG KITA KO DITO. Tutoong malaki ang
> kinkita mo at mas maaliwalas ang pamumuhay ng pamilya mo pero sa
> kalagayan mong yan di mo man sabihin sa mga anak mo, unti-unti mong
> pinamumulat sa kanila na MAG-ABROAD ka na lang dahil WALANG KWENTANG
> MAGTRABAHO DITO SA PILIPINAS. Tangna kung ganito rin lang ang
> katuwiran mo, bigtihin mo na lang ang sarili mo sa BULBOL mo!
>
> In article <8danl9$27a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> ki...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Duwag ba ang isang kababayan kung gustong kumita ng masmalaki sa
ibang
> > bayan?
> > Duwag ba kapag ng tao kung gustong malasap ang ginhawa para sa
> pamilya?
> > Duwag ba ang mga OCW's na ang puhunan ay hirap at pawis? Minsan bog-
> bog
> > ang mga dinas sa mga malulupit kamay dayuhan. Kung walang suwerte
> > natodas o' bangkay ang abot. Hindot! Sino ngayon ang may bayag ?
> >
> > In article <041e33b5...@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com>,
> > Edgar Cabalo <egaycabal...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > kaya lang nagkakaroon ng brain drain dito sa pilipinas ay dahil
> > > may mga duwag na matatalino kuno na gustong mas malaki ang kita
> > > sa ibang bansa. kaya kung kayo ay nabibilang sa mga hindot na
> > > mga ito buti pa tumahimik na lang kayo at chupain ninyo ang titi
> > > ninyo.
> > >
> > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
> > Network *
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> > Free!
> > >
> > >
> >
Dirty Sick Pig
>
> Baka empleyado ang ibig mong sabihin. Sa susunod tumingin ka ng
> English Tagalog dictionary pero 'wag yung katulad nung kay DSP kasi
> nabasa daw nya na ang EWAN ay AYWAN.
Hehehe. Ayaw mong aminin na mali ka, ano, BOBOkling? Ugaling bakla
talaga.
> Bakit naman hindi ko kukuning EMPLEYADO ang tao na kuwalipikado sa
> posisyon at may abilidad sa naturingang trabaho?
Basta bakla, okey lang kay eGay Baduday.
ki...@my-deja.com
sa kahiraphan diyan sa ating bayan. Trabaho ka nag trabaho diyan kaya
lang saan napupunta ang pagod mo kung hindi sa bulok na pamahalaan
natin. Lahat ay kailangan umandar ang pera at dapat may kakilala ka sa
loob para gumalaw sila. Sinubukan ko na ang magtanim ng kamote at nag-
alaga ng manokan. Pero sa kasawian palad hindin sapat ang kinikita para
mabuhay. Huwag kang masyadong garapal sa panunulat baka bubulukin ko
ang TUMBONG mo!
Tansong Isda
> # Baka empleyado ang ibig mong sabihin. Sa susunod tumingin ka ng
> # English Tagalog dictionary pero 'wag yung katulad nung kay DSP kasi
> # nabasa daw nya na ang EWAN ay AYWAN.
> #
> # Bakit naman hindi ko kukuning EMPLEYADO ang tao na kuwalipikado sa
> # posisyon at may abilidad sa naturingang trabaho?
> #
>
> Mag kano naman ang suweldo? baka kulang pa sa pamasahe niya? ganyan ang
> sibilisasyon, lantad, pera ang nag papaikot.
Well, that's my point....
egayc...@hotmail.com
"Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmail.Com> wrote:
> <egayc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8dg57n$q5m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
sinasabi
> mong dugo at
> > pawis?
> Why, our family, of course. We earn well, our family benefits.
>
para sa sarili mo, para sa pamilya mo at para sa komunidad mo at para
sa bansa mo. Kung ang hirap at pawis mo ay ginugugol mo sa ibang bansa
at kumukita ka ng malaking pera busog ang bulsa mo pati pamilya mo pero
sino ang higit na nakinabang sa kagalingan mo? Di ba ang kumpanya mo?
> > Ikaw, kaya mo bang makipagsabayan sa utak ng mga kapwa mo Pilipino?
> ----------------
> I've worked there for ten years and the fruits of my hard work were
not that
> much. That's why I moved elsewhere. At the end of the day, we can
only work
> so many years and we might as well maximised our earning capability,
right?
>
> >
> > Ano ano ba ang mga trabaho nyong mga HINDOT kayo dyan? Sige isa-
isahin
> > natin.
> >
> > Factory worker? Kung factory worker ka tapos gumagawa ka ng mga
> > produkto na laruan, electronics o ibang appliances, ito ang tanong
ko:
> > Saang bansa ibinebenta yang ginagawa mo? Di ba't minsan ay sa
> > Pilipinas? Sino ang kumikita ng malaki? Ikaw ba?
> --------------
> If you're a factory worker in PI, you earn US$5 a day. If you're a
factory
> worker in Oz, you earn US$6 an hour. If you're insinuating
exploitation of
> workers, then, by the low salary in PI, the exploitation is there and
not
> overseas.
>
Tama na naman pero kulang kulang ka pa rin. Hindi lang sa Pilipinas
nangyayari yan pati mismo sa ibang bansa. Ang punto de vista lang
naman dito ay hindi nabibigyan ng tamang pagpipilian or OPTIONS ang mga
kababayan natin at isa ka na doon. Tinuturuan tayo ng ating sistema ng
edukasyon na maging isang ORDINARYONG EMPLEYADO lamang tayo. At ang
mismong sistema rin na ito ang masyadong binibigyan ng importansya ang
mga kurso na tinatawag na SOCIAL SCIENCES, MEDICINE at ngayon
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. Maraming gustong maging EDUCATOR, Duktor at
Computer Professional pero ilan ba ang gustong MAGBUNGKAL ng LUPA o di
kaya'y magme-ari ng isang Beauty Parlor o magtayo ng isang karinderia.
Mas gusto pa nating maghanap ng trabaho kesa gumawa o magbigay ng
trabaho. Mas gusto pa nating maging isang ORDINARYONG EMPLEYADO na
katulad ninyo na merong hinihimod na butas ng pwet.
Maraming OPTIONS kaibigan. Kung si Lucio Tan ay dating nagtitinda ng
MAMI at SIOPAO at SHOESHINE BOY, bakit kaya ngayon ay nagmamay-ari ng
isa sa pinaka-malaking CONGLOMERATES? Di mo ba alam na ang mga Factory
Workers na sinasabi mo 30 por siyento dito ay nakatapos ng High School
at 50% ang nakarating sa lebel ng kolehiyo at 20% dito ay nakatapos ng
kolehiyo. Ano ang ibig sabihin nito? PANGIT ANG ORIENTASYON NG
EDUKASYON dahil bakit kailangan pang gugulin ng mga 70% ng manggagawang
pabrika ang kanilang oras na mag-aral sa kolehiyo para gumawa ng isang
mano-manong trabaho?
> >
> > Ikaw ba ay isang computer expert? Yang sa mga software at hardware
na
> > mga produkto na yinayari ninyo, sino ba ang tumatangkilik nyang
puhunan
> > ng dugo at pawis ninyo? Di ba't ang mga bumibili ng mga ginawa
mismo
> > ninyo ay isa na dito ay mga Pinoy na nandito sa Pilipinas?
> >
> > Gagawin ninyo sa ibang bansa tapos ibebenta ninyo sa Pilipinas.
> -------------
> I can only speak for the computer software industry. There is little
> incentive to write software in PI because piracy is rampant. 99 of
100 users
> of your software are Captain Hook types. Software piracy is thus
backfiring
> for PI. If PI were serious in combatting software piracy, perhaps
there
> would be a bigger software industry in PI.
>
Nagkakamali ka brader. Hindi malaking hadlang ang pagdami ng di
lisensyadong software o pirated sa pag-unlad ng Pilipinas. Bagkus ito
ay nakakatulong dahil dito natututo ang mga gustong magpakadalubhasa sa
siyensya ng teknolohiya sa impormasyon. Bukod dito yung maliliit na
entrepreneurs ay nakakatipid dahil nakakalibre sila sa gastos sa office
automation. Baka ang sinasabi mo ay nalulugi ang ibang malalaking
kumpanya katulad ng Microsoft dahil naiisahan sila ng mga Pilipino
dito.
> > Pero ang ganang akin man lamang, kung ikaw ay isang magulang
> > parang sinasabi mo na rin sa mga anak mo na SIGE MGA ANAK MAG-ARAL
> > KAYONG MABUTI PARA PAG NAKATAPOS KAYO PWEDE NA KAYONG MAG-ABROAD
> > KATULAD KO DAHIL MAS MALAKI ANG KITA KO DITO. Tutoong malaki ang
> > kinkita mo at mas maaliwalas ang pamumuhay ng pamilya mo pero sa
> > kalagayan mong yan di mo man sabihin sa mga anak mo, unti-unti mong
> > pinamumulat sa kanila na MAG-ABROAD ka na lang dahil WALANG KWENTANG
> > MAGTRABAHO DITO SA PILIPINAS.
> --------------
> Why not? What is PI and what is overseas? It is still part of the
earth.
> What is important is that people have the choice to live where they
want and
> earn as much as they want. If that means leaving PI and working
overseas, so
> be it.
>
Kung ganyan ang pilosopiya mo sa buhay ay wala akong magagawa. Katulad
ng nasabi ko meron kang tungkulin sa sarili mo at pamilya mo. Pero
isipin mo na meron ka dapat sa buhay mo na kontribusyon sa iyong
lipunan. At meron ka rin dapat na HIGHER GOAL. Sa mga sinaunang tribo
ng Pilipinas ang kanya-kanyang toka ng trabaho ay para magkaroon ng
kaunlaran ang kanilang tribo. Merong na-ngignisda, nangangahoy at na-
ngangaso. Meron din namang gumagawa ng damit at merong nagpapatrolya.
Pero brader ang suma total ng mga trabahong ginagawa ng mga sinaunang
tribo ay para sa nakakarami at hindi para sa sarili lamang o para sa
pamilya lamang.
> Remember that the human race has always been a migratory species. From
> latest theories, all human kind originated from Africa and then
spread all
> over the world. Asians via the land bridges moved to the Americas way
back
> when. That is no different from a person carrying a working visa to
the US
> and flying via Northwest.
>
Ang pangingibang bansa ay hindi masama. Kung yan ba ang kaligayahan mo
di okey. Ang sinasabi ko lang naman ay karamihan sa ating mga Pilipino
ay hindi man lamang pinakitaan ng magagandang OPTIONS dito sa ating
bansa. Bakit ang mga kasamahan kong nagtatanim ng manga ay mauunlad
kahit hindi nakatapos ng kolehiyo? Bakit yung ilan kong mga kaibigan
na mga intsik ay nagtatagumpay sa negosyo? Bakit yung mga may-ari ng
mga beach resort at iba pang naghahalaman at naghahayupan dito ay
mauunlad ang pamumuhay? Bakit yung mga tindera sa palengke ay merong
mga bahay sa mga primera klaseng subdivision? Dahil nakita nila na sa
pagsusumikap sa sariling bansa ay PUPWEDE at nasa sa kanila ang
diskarte.
> You have to face it, Egay. Migrating to other lands is human nature.
>
BUT ITS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION.
> --
> Talk to me at
> Johnn...@Hotmail.Com
>
>
egayc...@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> Problema, baka hindi mo kayang ibayad ang gusto niya na makukuha niya
sa
> abroad. Masama ang brain drain, buong bansa ang naghihirap, pero
isipin
> naman natin na kung walang mag-susuweldo sa kanila sa Pinas, bakit mo
> pipilitin....
BAKIT? SINO BANG NAMIMILIT?
> Ang nagkukulang diyan ay ang gubyerno, hindi ang tao, hindi rin ikaw
at
> ako....kung maari akong mabuhay diyan, diyan na lang ako....this is
me.
>
Ayan ka na naman. Gubyerno na naman ang sinisi. Sino ba ang
nagpapalakad ng gubyerno simula noong 1945? Mga Pilipino rin di ba? E
bakit di mo sisihin yung mga ninuno natin na gumawa ng sistema ng
gubyerno.
Tansong Isda
>
>
> Ayan ka na naman. Gubyerno na naman ang sinisi. Sino ba ang
> nagpapalakad ng gubyerno simula noong 1945? Mga Pilipino rin di ba? E
> bakit di mo sisihin yung mga ninuno natin na gumawa ng sistema ng
> gubyerno.
>
>
>
1946, and in some part before the Japanese occupation....tama nga ang
gubyerno at mga Pilipino rin ang mga nagkamali, kaya may brain drain.
Edgar Cabalo
wrote:
>Hindot ka syit! Hindi mo ba alam na ang mga Pinoy dito ay
umalis dahil
>sa kahiraphan diyan sa ating bayan. Trabaho ka nag trabaho diyan
kaya
>lang saan napupunta ang pagod mo kung hindi sa bulok na
pamahalaan
>natin. Lahat ay kailangan umandar ang pera at dapat may kakilala
ka sa
>loob para gumalaw sila. Sinubukan ko na ang magtanim ng kamote
at nag-
>alaga ng manokan. Pero sa kasawian palad hindin sapat ang
kinikita para
>mabuhay. Huwag kang masyadong garapal sa panunulat baka
bubulukin ko
>ang TUMBONG mo!
>
TANGNA MO 2! Tangna mo three pa nga! Hoy BOBO, hindi mo ba alam
na merong kasabihang mas nauuna ang MASINOP kesa MASIPAG.
MASIPAG KA NGA BOBO KA NAMAN wala din. Katulad mo. Di mo kaya
ang diskarte dito sa Pilipinas kaya ka umalis. Tangna na ka sige
nga BULUKIN MO ANG TUMBONG KO!
>In article <8dg57n$q5m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> egayc...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Hindot ka rin! Kaya mo bang makipagsapalaran sa mga kapwa mo
Pilipino
>> at gamitin ang yong husay at kaalaman para sa ikauunlad ng
iyong bansa
>> bilang isang manggagawa o mangangalakal. Tangna mo sabihin mo
ngang
>> masipag ka, sinong unang-unang nakikinabang ng sinasabi mong
dugo at
>> pawis? Ang bansa mo bang Pilipinas? Katanganhan kasi kaya
>napapahamak
>> yung ilang Pilipino sa ibang bansa. Ikaw, kaya mo bang
makipagsabayan
>> sa utak ng mga kapwa mo Pilipino? Kung ganyan ang
sintinyimiyento de
>> asukal mo aba lalangamin lang yang katuwiran mo.
>>
>> Ano ano ba ang mga trabaho nyong mga HINDOT kayo dyan? Sige
isa-
>isahin
>> natin.
>>
>> Factory worker? Kung factory worker ka tapos gumagawa ka ng
mga
>> produkto na laruan, electronics o ibang appliances, ito ang
tanong ko:
>> Saang bansa ibinebenta yang ginagawa mo? Di ba't minsan ay sa
>> Pilipinas? Sino ang kumikita ng malaki? Ikaw ba? Hindi
dahil hindot
>> ka! Ang nakinabang talaga ng dugo at pawis mo ay ang mga
kumpanya na
>> pag-aari ng mga amo mong dayuhan.
>>
>> Ikaw ba ay engineer, karpintero, kantero o arkitekto?
Kaninong mga
>> bahay at gusali ang ginagawa ninyo? At sa ginawa ninyong mga
>> edipisyong yan sino ang tumitira sino ang nakikinabang?
Pilipino ba?
>>
>> Ikaw ba ay isang computer expert? Yang sa mga software at
hardware na
>> mga produkto na yinayari ninyo, sino ba ang tumatangkilik
nyang
>puhunan
>> ng dugo at pawis ninyo? Di ba't ang mga bumibili ng mga
ginawa mismo
>> ninyo ay isa na dito ay mga Pinoy na nandito sa Pilipinas?
>>
>> Gagawin ninyo sa ibang bansa tapos ibebenta ninyo sa
Pilipinas. Ang
>> mga amo ninyo ay mga banyaga na sinusuwelduhan kayo ng tama
dahil sa
>> kahusayan ninyo at kakayahan upang ang produkto na ibebenta
nila sa
>mga
>> Pilipino ay primera klase. Maraming magagaling at mahuhusay
na
>> Pilipino ang nasa labas ng bansa at nanunungkulan bilang
taga-himod o
>> taga-dila ng puwit ng mga amo nilang banyaga. Kahindutan yang
>sinasabi
>> mong walang gaanong oportunidad dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi ka
lang
>> siguro gaanong marunong maghanap. O di kaya'y sarado na ang
isip mo
>na
>> mas malaki ang kita sa ibang bansa na mas maganda dahil
magiging mas
>> maayos ang buhay ng pamilya mo. Lahat tayo ay may
kani-kaniyang
>> pamilya. Pero ang ganang akin man lamang, kung ikaw ay isang
magulang
>> parang sinasabi mo na rin sa mga anak mo na SIGE MGA ANAK
MAG-ARAL
>> KAYONG MABUTI PARA PAG NAKATAPOS KAYO PWEDE NA KAYONG
MAG-ABROAD
>> KATULAD KO DAHIL MAS MALAKI ANG KITA KO DITO. Tutoong malaki
ang
>> kinkita mo at mas maaliwalas ang pamumuhay ng pamilya mo pero
sa
>> kalagayan mong yan di mo man sabihin sa mga anak mo, unti-unti
mong
>> pinamumulat sa kanila na MAG-ABROAD ka na lang dahil WALANG
KWENTANG
>> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> > Before you buy.
>> >
>>
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>>
>
>
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>Before you buy.
>
>
Just JT
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> In article <8dggkt$sh3$1...@metro.ucc.usyd.edu.au>,
> "Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmail.Com> wrote:
> > --------------
> > Why, our family, of course. We earn well, our family benefits.
> >
> Tama naman ang sagot mo pero kulang. Kaya ka nagtatrabaho ay dahil
> para sa sarili mo, para sa pamilya mo at para sa komunidad mo at para
> sa bansa mo. Kung ang hirap at pawis mo ay ginugugol mo sa ibang bansa
> at kumukita ka ng malaking pera busog ang bulsa mo pati pamilya mo pero
> sino ang higit na nakinabang sa kagalingan mo? Di ba ang kumpanya mo?
I know what you're saying: many of us should pursue being self-employed and
create more jobs. Been there done that, mate. Self-employment isn't for me.
I don't have capital and I'm too damn lazy to pursue my own business. I
tried it once upon a time. I had the technical skills but no business savvy.
I know my limitations that's why I'm happy just being employed.
> > -------------
> > I can only speak for the computer software industry. There is little
> > incentive to write software in PI because piracy is rampant. 99 of
> 100 users
> > of your software are Captain Hook types. Software piracy is thus
> backfiring
> > for PI. If PI were serious in combatting software piracy, perhaps
> there
> > would be a bigger software industry in PI.
> >
>
> Nagkakamali ka brader. Hindi malaking hadlang ang pagdami ng di
> lisensyadong software o pirated sa pag-unlad ng Pilipinas. Bagkus ito
> ay nakakatulong dahil dito natututo ang mga gustong magpakadalubhasa sa
> siyensya ng teknolohiya sa impormasyon. Bukod dito yung maliliit na
> entrepreneurs ay nakakatipid dahil nakakalibre sila sa gastos sa office
> automation. Baka ang sinasabi mo ay nalulugi ang ibang malalaking
> kumpanya katulad ng Microsoft dahil naiisahan sila ng mga Pilipino
> dito.
------------------
In the short term, yes, the cost of computerisation is low because the
software are pirated. But in the long term, the software industry will not
prosper because there is no incentive to write your own software as you know
it'll only be stolen. That leaves us dependent on imported software.
>
> Kung ganyan ang pilosopiya mo sa buhay ay wala akong magagawa. Katulad
> ng nasabi ko meron kang tungkulin sa sarili mo at pamilya mo. Pero
> isipin mo na meron ka dapat sa buhay mo na kontribusyon sa iyong
> lipunan. At meron ka rin dapat na HIGHER GOAL. Sa mga sinaunang tribo
> ng Pilipinas ang kanya-kanyang toka ng trabaho ay para magkaroon ng
> kaunlaran ang kanilang tribo. Merong na-ngignisda, nangangahoy at na-
> ngangaso. Meron din namang gumagawa ng damit at merong nagpapatrolya.
> Pero brader ang suma total ng mga trabahong ginagawa ng mga sinaunang
> tribo ay para sa nakakarami at hindi para sa sarili lamang o para sa
> pamilya lamang.
---------------------
As I was telling Righteous Mihali in another post, I am an individualist and
not a communist. I don't believe in communal living: I live for myself.
>
> Ang pangingibang bansa ay hindi masama. Kung yan ba ang kaligayahan mo
> di okey. Ang sinasabi ko lang naman ay karamihan sa ating mga Pilipino
> ay hindi man lamang pinakitaan ng magagandang OPTIONS dito sa ating
> bansa. Bakit ang mga kasamahan kong nagtatanim ng manga ay mauunlad
> kahit hindi nakatapos ng kolehiyo? Bakit yung ilan kong mga kaibigan
> na mga intsik ay nagtatagumpay sa negosyo? Bakit yung mga may-ari ng
> mga beach resort at iba pang naghahalaman at naghahayupan dito ay
> mauunlad ang pamumuhay? Bakit yung mga tindera sa palengke ay merong
> mga bahay sa mga primera klaseng subdivision? Dahil nakita nila na sa
> pagsusumikap sa sariling bansa ay PUPWEDE at nasa sa kanila ang
> diskarte.
--------------------
If one is enterpreneural, it is actually better to stay in PI. It is easier
to make money in PI because rules aren't strictly enforced. You can cheat in
your taxes, underpay your staff and you can get away with it. In Oz and
first-world countries, the rules are strictly enforced which means it's
harder to make money as a businessman.
>
> BUT ITS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION.
-------------------
My view to all this: if you're entrepreneural, you are better off in PI. If
you're just an employee, you're better off elsewhere.
docchas
how the white house is the education president and
vice-president. If that was so, why doesn't the US have
sufficient engineers, computer specialists, etc.?
What has been education policy has been dictated by the teachers'
special interest group - the union. It forces non-union personnel
to hand over money and they use it to support politicians who
play their game -- no useful education and K-12+ of social mumbo
jumbo like diversity, etc.
There was a time when America produced engineers, medical
personnel, etc., in sufficient numbers. Those curriculums are
now filled with people from far away lands. American kids are
taking socially relevant (to whom?) classes that will prepare
them for what? Meanwhile, the valuable talent that should be
going home to help raise the level of the homeland is staying
because salaries are tempting and there are no Americans to fill
the job.
The smart people are those who believe education is too important
to leave to educators and the politicians in Washington. They
will send their children to university in the Philippines, India
and Singapore where the curriculum is not filled with "cottonseed
and hay." (quote from My Fair Lady). There are no social
experiments going on to waste resources. You go for engineering -
that's what you get and not courses like recreation studies,
croatian studies, immigration studies, etc.
Meanwhile, those who want to be fooled will continue to believe
the hype that somehow we have had an education team in Washington
who have done marvels for us. Some know better.
Tansong Isda
Fact is Docchas, this change over-all in the American
education system started way before that Billy-Bob "Bubba"
Clinton ever got elected.
He got elected because people thought he would bring the old
system back when the US leads the world in education....No
can do, he is as much a product of that change as you and
I...(oooops, not me, just you).
There is nothing wrong with the present system, but the
traditional disciplines works in the marketplace better than
the idealist (one that I also swallowed, hook, line and
sinker) way.
Don't blame Clinton, blame the way it has changed over time
on the educators themselves.
docchas
education something other than preparing students for the ability
to handle a working/thinking life began to give way to the
socialization/inculcation of them in the 1960s. Curriculum was to
be made "relevant" to the needs of students; political
correctness was to be emphasized; and students were to be made to
feel adjusted, even if they didn't know anything beyond being
made to feel bad about real and imagined past injuries.
I have watched it as quality education has been eroded away. It
slowed during what you would consider the dark ages when the
'evil empire' was being confronted. Social science research money
for studying social issue, many of which were exaggerated,
diminished while science and mechanics to support 'star wars'
received the emphasis. General education's requirement for
writing, language, mathematics (not adding up your grocery bill
like some universities require), science and studies of
principles and institutions were the still the rigor of the day.
Its all changed and it began with the lack of courage in schools
and universities in the sixties.
The president and vice president are from the period and they
simply take the easiest route they can and cover it with cliches.
They no more want quality in education and are content with
dubious standards of vague sociological theory and practice.
Meanwhile, the young scientists, engineers, and programers will
leave their homes to fill the vacancies left because some
American is now qualified to supervise at McDonalds. The US will
look good because those who would have made Taiwan, the
Philippines, Hong Kong, Korea, India, etc., look good are doing
the job for the US instead.
I cannot buy into what has happened nor can I absolve those who
facilitate it and continue to foster it.
egayc...@hotmail.com
> > In article <8dggkt$sh3$1...@metro.ucc.usyd.edu.au>,
> > "Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmail.Com> wrote:
> > > --------------
> > > Why, our family, of course. We earn well, our family benefits.
> > >
> > Tama naman ang sagot mo pero kulang. Kaya ka nagtatrabaho ay dahil
> > para sa sarili mo, para sa pamilya mo at para sa komunidad mo at
para
> > sa bansa mo. Kung ang hirap at pawis mo ay ginugugol mo sa ibang
bansa
> > at kumukita ka ng malaking pera busog ang bulsa mo pati pamilya mo
pero
> > sino ang higit na nakinabang sa kagalingan mo? Di ba ang kumpanya
mo?
> I know what you're saying: many of us should pursue being self-
employed and
> create more jobs. Been there done that, mate. Self-employment isn't
for me.
E ganoon naman pala eh. Porke pumalpak ka lang sa negosyo mo parang
pinapahiwatig mo na ang pangingibang bansa ay pinakamagandang
solusyon?
> I don't have capital and I'm too damn lazy to pursue my own business.
I
> tried it once upon a time. I had the technical skills but no business
savvy.
Hindi naman kailangan na magkaroon ka ng malaking kapital para magtayo
ka ng negosyo. Meron nga dyang mga real estate brokers na laway lang
ang puhunan pero napakalaki na ng asenso. Meron naman dyang nagiging
middleman lamang ng kung ano-anong produkto na malaki ng ang negosyo
ngayon. Kung TAMAD kang magnegosyo wag mong sabihin na PINAKAMAGANDANG
OPTION ay mangibang bansa at manghimod o dilaan ang PUWET NG mga
BANYAGA. Ito nga kasi ang problema sa ORIENTASYON ng mga Pilipino,
masyadong maraming kursong pang SOCIAL SCIENCES at TECHNICAL COURSES.
Meron mang kurso ng BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION hindi ito patungkol sa
pagaaral ng pang-sariling negosyo o Entrepreneurial Management. Mas
maraming gustong maging duktor, abogado, artista, basketbolista at
politiko. Pero bibihira ang gustong mag-may-ari ng sariling negosyo.
Ang dapat lang tumbukin ng sisi dito ay ang SISTEMA ng EDUKASYON.
Katulad mo brader pangit ang orientasyon mo dahil pinakita sa 'yo ng
sistema ang option na maging isang ordinaryong empleyado ka lamang na
humihimod ng puwit ng boss mo.
> I know my limitations that's why I'm happy just being employed.
>
Wala akong magagawa dyan.
> > > -------------
> > > I can only speak for the computer software industry. There is
little
> > > incentive to write software in PI because piracy is rampant. 99 of
> > 100 users
> > > of your software are Captain Hook types. Software piracy is thus
> > backfiring
> > > for PI. If PI were serious in combatting software piracy, perhaps
> > there
> > > would be a bigger software industry in PI.
> > >
> >
> > Nagkakamali ka brader. Hindi malaking hadlang ang pagdami ng di
> > lisensyadong software o pirated sa pag-unlad ng Pilipinas. Bagkus
ito
> > ay nakakatulong dahil dito natututo ang mga gustong
magpakadalubhasa sa
> > siyensya ng teknolohiya sa impormasyon. Bukod dito yung maliliit na
> > entrepreneurs ay nakakatipid dahil nakakalibre sila sa gastos sa
office
> > automation. Baka ang sinasabi mo ay nalulugi ang ibang malalaking
> > kumpanya katulad ng Microsoft dahil naiisahan sila ng mga Pilipino
> > dito.
> ------------------
> In the short term, yes, the cost of computerisation is low because the
> software are pirated. But in the long term, the software industry
will not
> prosper because there is no incentive to write your own software as
you know
> it'll only be stolen. That leaves us dependent on imported software.
>
Isang katuwirang saming. Bawat negosyo o bawat proseso ay may kanya-
kanyang sistema. Kaya nga yang mga software a TAILOR MADE pa ayon sa
pangangailangan ng isang kumpanya. Doon sa maliliit at katamtaman na
nagnenegosyo ang kalimitan na gumagawa dito ay yung tinatawag na
FREELANCE programmers. Ito ay mga IT professionals na nangongontrata
na gumawa ng computer programs para sa mga ganitong klaseng
establisemento. Ang sistema ko sa pagtatanim ng manga ay iba sa
pagtatanim ng ubas. Kukuha sana ako ng software na yari sa amerika
pero hindi naaangkop dito sa klima at paraan ng pagtatanim. Kaya ang
ginawa ko ay nagbayad ako ng isang programmer. Di na masama di ba?
Maraming magagagaling na freelancer na programmers at webpage designers
dito sa Pilipinas na hindi nila kailangan ng isang amo na hinihimod o
dinidilaan ang puwet. Ang software industry na sinasabi mong
makikinabang lamang dyan ay katulad ng kompanya ng ORACLE, MICROSOFT,
INFORMIX etc… Pero ditto sa pilipinas marami ang nabubuhay na software
developers na maliliit at yumayari ng sistema na kasing efficient ng
sistema ng mga kupal na developers na yan.
Ang problema kasi sa mga multinationals na yan ginagawa nilang
kumplekado ang software solutions. Samantalang ang database noon ay
database pa rin ang tawag.
> >
> > Kung ganyan ang pilosopiya mo sa buhay ay wala akong magagawa.
Katulad
> > ng nasabi ko meron kang tungkulin sa sarili mo at pamilya mo. Pero
> > isipin mo na meron ka dapat sa buhay mo na kontribusyon sa iyong
> > lipunan. At meron ka rin dapat na HIGHER GOAL. Sa mga sinaunang
tribo
> > ng Pilipinas ang kanya-kanyang toka ng trabaho ay para magkaroon ng
> > kaunlaran ang kanilang tribo. Merong na-ngignisda, nangangahoy at
na-
> > ngangaso. Meron din namang gumagawa ng damit at merong
nagpapatrolya.
> > Pero brader ang suma total ng mga trabahong ginagawa ng mga
sinaunang
> > tribo ay para sa nakakarami at hindi para sa sarili lamang o para sa
> > pamilya lamang.
> ---------------------
> As I was telling Righteous Mihali in another post, I am an
individualist and
> not a communist. I don't believe in communal living: I live for
myself.
>
Maraming ganyan sa mundo. Hindi masama ang magmahal sa sarili pero
bawat isa sa atin ay may pananagutan sa ibang tao. Kaya hindi umuunlad
ang Pilipinas ay maraming individualist na politikong hindot,
negosyanteng tarantado at empleyadong gago na katulad mo. MAKASARILI.
Kung ganyan ang pag-iisip ng lahat ng tao sa mundo hindi na sana
nailagay sa talaan kasaysayan sila NINOY AQUINO, MAHATMA GAHNDI, JOSE
RIZAL, Jesu Kristo, Buddha, MUHAMAD ALI, Arnold SWARVALDER at
Sylvester Stalone.
> >
> > Ang pangingibang bansa ay hindi masama. Kung yan ba ang
kaligayahan mo
> > di okey. Ang sinasabi ko lang naman ay karamihan sa ating mga
Pilipino
> > ay hindi man lamang pinakitaan ng magagandang OPTIONS dito sa ating
> > bansa. Bakit ang mga kasamahan kong nagtatanim ng manga ay mauunlad
> > kahit hindi nakatapos ng kolehiyo? Bakit yung ilan kong mga
kaibigan
> > na mga intsik ay nagtatagumpay sa negosyo? Bakit yung mga may-ari
ng
> > mga beach resort at iba pang naghahalaman at naghahayupan dito ay
> > mauunlad ang pamumuhay? Bakit yung mga tindera sa palengke ay
merong
> > mga bahay sa mga primera klaseng subdivision? Dahil nakita nila na
sa
> > pagsusumikap sa sariling bansa ay PUPWEDE at nasa sa kanila ang
> > diskarte.
> --------------------
> If one is enterpreneural, it is actually better to stay in PI. It is
easier
> to make money in PI because rules aren't strictly enforced. You can
cheat in
Yan ay nasasabi mo lamang dahil wala ka sa situasyon naming
namumuhunan. Hindi dahil maraming katiwalian sa gubyerno kaya umuunlad
ang aming negosyon. Dugo at pawis ang aming puhunan dito. Meron
kaming mga RISKS na iniintinde katulad ng kompetisyon at natural na
kalamidad. Pero dahil sa pagsusumikap at pag-tuklas ng makabong paraan
para mapayabong ang aming industriya o negosyo umuunlad kami sa
diskarte namin. Ang Thailand at New Zealand ay natatala sa internet na
mas corrupt sa Pilipinas. Ang ibig sabihin ba nito kaya umuunlad ang
mga bansa na ito dahil corrupt ang gobyerno. Hinde! Ito ay dahil sa
mga negosyanteng namumuhunan para magkaroon ng pagpapalitan ng produkto
(exchange of goods). Lagi kasi nating pinararatangan ang gubyerno ang
mekagagawan ng di pag-unlad ng isang tao dahil talamak ang corruption
dito. Bakit di natin isipin na hindi gubyerno ang humuhubog ng ating
kinabukasan at kung ano man tayo ngayon. Sabi nga ni Kennedy, wag mong
itanong kung ano ang magagawa sa yo ng bansa kundi kung ano ang
magagawa mo sa bansa mo.
> your taxes, underpay your staff and you can get away with it. In Oz
and
> first-world countries, the rules are strictly enforced which means
it's
> harder to make money as a businessman.
>
Ang rules o batas ay nandyan para sundin. Pero ano ang standard? Kung
ang corruption sa Pilipinas ay ating pag-uusapan, ito ay masususog
natin noong panahon pa bago dumating ang Kastila. Kung nararapat na
magkaroon ng lagay o pabor para mabaluktot ang sistema para maisulong
ang papel mo sa kapakanan ng interes mo bakit hindi mo gawin kung
hinahayaan ka ng sistema? Ganito kasi ang sistema sa Pilipinas.
Maluwag. Gaya siguro ng bunganga at pwit mo maluwag dahil sa
kachuchupa. Ano ba ang obligasyon mong moral kung naglagay ka? Wala!
Dahil yan ang sistema. Everybody’s doing it might as well do it. Ang
sama lang ditto ay kung kasing garapal mo ang tao at makasarili ibang
usapan na yon. Dapat dyan sa mga ganyang pag-uugali ay binuburo at
binabaaon sa lupa.
> >
> > BUT ITS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION.
> -------------------
> My view to all this: if you're entrepreneural, you are better off in
PI. If
> you're just an employee, you're better off elsewhere.
>
Meron akong mga empleyado na binibigyan ko ng sapat na sahod ayon sa
kanilang trabaho at ayon sa kanilang pangangailangan. Kung hinahangad
nila ay magkaroon pa ng higit pang ginhawa sa buhay sa pagtatrabaho sa
ibang bansa, hindi ko sila pipigilan. Nirekomenda ko nga yung
caretaker ko sa kaibigan kong merong orchard sa Malaysia pero sinabi
nyang mas maligaya sya dito kahit mas malaki ang sweldo doon. Ayos
lang naman daw at patas ang turingan ng mga tao doon sa plantasyon.
Namumuhay naman daw ng masagana ang kanyang pamilya. At ang sweldo nya
ay nakakatustos sa matrikula ng kanyang mga anak. At ang importante
daw sa lahat ay nakakahalubilo nya ang kapwa nya Pilipino.
Ang sa palagay ko nasa diskarte mo yan. Kung mahina ka at iba ang
lifestyle mo aba dyan ka na lang sa ibang bansa at HIMURIN ANG P’WIT AT
TITI NG AMO MO.
Tansong Isda
> I cannot buy into what has happened nor can I absolve those who
> facilitate it and continue to foster it.
>
I wouldn't either, the problem here in this country (US of A) is that they don't
know how to revert back to real education, get the kids to work! And make them
work well.
On the other side is education in the Philippines where everyone is taught on
how to solve problems in the US but not in their own country, hence this brain
drain.
Like, how many engineers do you need in a country that doesn't need that much.
balatkayo
vacation.
as for brain drain, i was planning to go back to the philippines,
but i have to be realistic. one, i made more money as a grad
student than a professor there. where would that take me in the
future if i did take a professor's spot there? i don't want
millions of dollars, but some comfort would be nice.
however, i am disappointed in the fact that a lot of pinoys who
go
to the us often decide to stay here. but knowing the situation
in
the phil, i often wonder if they could get jobs in the old
republic anyways.
balat
ng
lupa
Just JT
news:8egcas$acf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> E ganoon naman pala eh. Porke pumalpak ka lang sa negosyo mo parang
> pinapahiwatig mo na ang pangingibang bansa ay pinakamagandang
> solusyon?
Yep, moving overseas was the best solution. What I had in my mind was get
experience in the software field and then get the hell out. It's pretty
simple: overseas pays better than PI given the same job. Minimum wage in PI
is PhP220 a day (in Manila). Minimum wage in Oz is Au$400 a week (Au$1 =
PhP23).
Why should I remain in PI and get paid LESS? For love of country? Love of
country will not buy me my BMW M series and 5-bedroom house.
>
> Hindi naman kailangan na magkaroon ka ng malaking kapital para magtayo
> ka ng negosyo. Meron nga dyang mga real estate brokers na laway lang
> ang puhunan pero napakalaki na ng asenso.
----------------
My expertise was software. The problem with not enough capital is when there
are no projects, we starve. And when there were projects there was no time
to learn new stuff. If I had extra cash, I could turn down projects if I
needed to learn up new stuff. But I couldn't.
> Katulad mo brader pangit ang orientasyon mo dahil pinakita sa 'yo ng
> sistema ang option na maging isang ordinaryong empleyado ka lamang na
> humihimod ng puwit ng boss mo.
----------------
No, I don't think it was lack of understanding of being an entrepreneur. It
just wasn't for me. I'd rather work fixed hours and get paid fixed money.
>
> Isang katuwirang saming. Bawat negosyo o bawat proseso ay may kanya-
> kanyang sistema. Kaya nga yang mga software a TAILOR MADE pa ayon sa
> pangangailangan ng isang kumpanya. Doon sa maliliit at katamtaman na
> nagnenegosyo ang kalimitan na gumagawa dito ay yung tinatawag na
> FREELANCE programmers. Ito ay mga IT professionals na nangongontrata
> na gumawa ng computer programs para sa mga ganitong klaseng
> establisemento. Ang sistema ko sa pagtatanim ng manga ay iba sa
> pagtatanim ng ubas. Kukuha sana ako ng software na yari sa amerika
> pero hindi naaangkop dito sa klima at paraan ng pagtatanim. Kaya ang
> ginawa ko ay nagbayad ako ng isang programmer. Di na masama di ba?
> Maraming magagagaling na freelancer na programmers at webpage designers
> dito sa Pilipinas na hindi nila kailangan ng isang amo na hinihimod o
> dinidilaan ang puwet.
---------------
Yeah, I'm sure freelance programmers and webpage designers would do well in
PI compared to the locale populace. But they'll do even BETTER overseas.
I'll bet you they'll get paid ten times or more.
How many PI freelance programmers:
- drive Porsches or BMW M series on top of regular family minivan and
everyday Japanese junk car.
- Have nice five bedroom, three garage houses on half acre lot.
- Go on lengthy overseas trips every so often.
- Eat steak and lobster regularly.
> Pero ditto sa pilipinas marami ang nabubuhay na software
> developers na maliliit at yumayari ng sistema na kasing efficient ng
> sistema ng mga kupal na developers na yan.
-------------------
Yeah, but I'm sure these software developers get paid peanuts. When I was a
freelance programmer writing xBase code back in the early 90's, I charged
PhP150 an hour for my services. Today, when I moonlight outside of my
fulltime job, I charge $100 an hour for my services. Even if you factor in
inflation and cost of living and so forth, Au$100 today will still buy more
than PhP150 ten years ago.
>
> Maraming ganyan sa mundo. Hindi masama ang magmahal sa sarili pero
> bawat isa sa atin ay may pananagutan sa ibang tao. Kaya hindi umuunlad
> ang Pilipinas ay maraming individualist na politikong hindot,
> negosyanteng tarantado at empleyadong gago na katulad mo. MAKASARILI.
-------------
Hey, I'm not preaching my personal beliefs on anyone. If you want to be
"makasarili" like me, go for it, babeh. If you want to be a Mother Teresa or
St. Francis of Assisi, I'm happy for you, too. But you have no right to
criticise my personal beliefs as I have committed no crimes or am a burden
to society. It ain't a crime to be "makasarili."
>
> Ang sa palagay ko nasa diskarte mo yan. Kung mahina ka at iba ang
> lifestyle mo aba dyan ka na lang sa ibang bansa at HIMURIN ANG P'WIT AT
> TITI NG AMO MO.
-----------------
No probs. It pays more to suck Aussie dick than Flip dick. No Flip dick can
get me my Porsche Boxster, mate.
Huang
: > In article <8dggkt$sh3$1...@metro.ucc.usyd.edu.au>,
: > "Just JT" <Johnn...@Hotmail.Com> wrote:
: > > --------------
: > > Why, our family, of course. We earn well, our family benefits.
: > >
: > Tama naman ang sagot mo pero kulang. Kaya ka nagtatrabaho ay dahil
: > para sa sarili mo, para sa pamilya mo at para sa komunidad mo at para
: > sa bansa mo. Kung ang hirap at pawis mo ay ginugugol mo sa ibang bansa
: > at kumukita ka ng malaking pera busog ang bulsa mo pati pamilya mo pero
: > sino ang higit na nakinabang sa kagalingan mo? Di ba ang kumpanya mo?
: I know what you're saying: many of us should pursue being self-employed and
: create more jobs. Been there done that, mate. Self-employment isn't for me.
: tried it once upon a time. I had the technical skills but no business savvy.
: > > -------------
: > > I can only speak for the computer software industry. There is little
: > > incentive to write software in PI because piracy is rampant. 99 of
: > 100 users
: > > of your software are Captain Hook types. Software piracy is thus
: > backfiring
: > > for PI. If PI were serious in combatting software piracy, perhaps
: > there
: > > would be a bigger software industry in PI.
: > >
: >
: > Nagkakamali ka brader. Hindi malaking hadlang ang pagdami ng di
: > lisensyadong software o pirated sa pag-unlad ng Pilipinas. Bagkus ito
: > ay nakakatulong dahil dito natututo ang mga gustong magpakadalubhasa sa
: > siyensya ng teknolohiya sa impormasyon. Bukod dito yung maliliit na
: > entrepreneurs ay nakakatipid dahil nakakalibre sila sa gastos sa office
: > automation. Baka ang sinasabi mo ay nalulugi ang ibang malalaking
: > kumpanya katulad ng Microsoft dahil naiisahan sila ng mga Pilipino
: > dito.
: ------------------
: In the short term, yes, the cost of computerisation is low because the
: software are pirated. But in the long term, the software industry will not
: prosper because there is no incentive to write your own software as you know
: it'll only be stolen. That leaves us dependent on imported software.
: >
: > Kung ganyan ang pilosopiya mo sa buhay ay wala akong magagawa. Katulad
: > ng nasabi ko meron kang tungkulin sa sarili mo at pamilya mo. Pero
: > isipin mo na meron ka dapat sa buhay mo na kontribusyon sa iyong
: > lipunan. At meron ka rin dapat na HIGHER GOAL. Sa mga sinaunang tribo
: > ng Pilipinas ang kanya-kanyang toka ng trabaho ay para magkaroon ng
: > kaunlaran ang kanilang tribo. Merong na-ngignisda, nangangahoy at na-
: > ngangaso. Meron din namang gumagawa ng damit at merong nagpapatrolya.
: > Pero brader ang suma total ng mga trabahong ginagawa ng mga sinaunang
: > tribo ay para sa nakakarami at hindi para sa sarili lamang o para sa
: > pamilya lamang.
: ---------------------
: As I was telling Righteous Mihali in another post, I am an individualist and
: not a communist. I don't believe in communal living: I live for myself.
: >
: > Ang pangingibang bansa ay hindi masama. Kung yan ba ang kaligayahan mo
: > di okey. Ang sinasabi ko lang naman ay karamihan sa ating mga Pilipino
: > ay hindi man lamang pinakitaan ng magagandang OPTIONS dito sa ating
: > bansa. Bakit ang mga kasamahan kong nagtatanim ng manga ay mauunlad
: > kahit hindi nakatapos ng kolehiyo? Bakit yung ilan kong mga kaibigan
: > na mga intsik ay nagtatagumpay sa negosyo? Bakit yung mga may-ari ng
: > mga beach resort at iba pang naghahalaman at naghahayupan dito ay
: > mauunlad ang pamumuhay? Bakit yung mga tindera sa palengke ay merong
: > mga bahay sa mga primera klaseng subdivision? Dahil nakita nila na sa
: > pagsusumikap sa sariling bansa ay PUPWEDE at nasa sa kanila ang
: > diskarte.
: --------------------
: If one is enterpreneural, it is actually better to stay in PI. It is easier
: to make money in PI because rules aren't strictly enforced. You can cheat in
: your taxes, underpay your staff and you can get away with it. In Oz and
: first-world countries, the rules are strictly enforced which means it's
: harder to make money as a businessman.
: >
: > BUT ITS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION.
: -------------------
: My view to all this: if you're entrepreneural, you are better off in PI. If
: you're just an employee, you're better off elsewhere.
: --
frankdel...@my-deja.com
Tansong Isda <ta...@dehinstogins.toi> wrote:
> Re:
> One of the things I'm most concerned with is the one-sided "brain
> drain",
> certainly not unique with the PI. This has been going on for
decades --
>
> often a country will sponsor the US professional education (i.e.,
> medical
> specialist, advanced engineering) of a native son or daughter only to
> have
> them never return home. Can I blame them?
I think this is good for the Philippines too for dollar remmitance.
Tansong Isda
Remittances is only good for one generation, the next
generation of immigrants doesn't have the obligation to do
it. That is somewhere whithin 25 yrs. it might stop, if you
look at the long term, it is not good.
Edgar Cabalo
>>
>> E ganoon naman pala eh. Porke pumalpak ka lang sa negosyo mo
parang
>> pinapahiwatig mo na ang pangingibang bansa ay pinakamagandang
>> solusyon?
>Yep, moving overseas was the best solution. What I had in my
mind was get
>experience in the software field and then get the hell out.
It's pretty
>simple: overseas pays better than PI given the same job.
Minimum wage in PI
>is PhP220 a day (in Manila). Minimum wage in Oz is Au$400 a
week (Au$1 =
>PhP23).
>
Alam mo bhoy kahit walang trabaho dito ang tao merong pangtoma.
Ang isang magsasaka o mangingisda hindi alam kung ano ang
minimum o maximum wage. Ang alam lang nya pag nagtanim ka ng
talbos ng kamote merong lalago at magbubunga ng singkamas. At
kung magtatapon man sya ng lambat meron syang mahuhuling bisugo,
galungong at hasa-hasa. Aba sa pang-araw araw na buhay nitong
mga kabalen ko yung mga boyfriend ng tropa kong bading araw araw
ay umiinom. Walang problema.
>Why should I remain in PI and get paid LESS? For love of
country? Love of
>country will not buy me my BMW M series and 5-bedroom house.
>
Yan kasi ang gusto mo. Walang magagawa ang ibang tao dyan.
Pero kaya ko rin yan dito. Kaya lang mas gusto ko ang isang
maliit na kubo sa gintna ng manggahan ko.
>----------------
>My expertise was software. The problem with not enough capital
is when there
>are no projects, we starve. And when there were projects there
was no time
>to learn new stuff. If I had extra cash, I could turn down
projects if I
>needed to learn up new stuff. But I couldn't.
Sa mga proyekto mo bhoy, yang sabihin mong kada proyekto ikaw
kumikita, yang mga kliyento mo diba't hindi mo rin maikakaila na
mga negosyante o mangangalakal na kasama sa life cycle ng isang
negosyo. Di ba't sa buong mundo ang nagpapatakbo sa ating lahat
ay kalakalan. ANG PAGPAPALITAN ng PRODUKTO O SERBISYO yan ang
araw araw na siklo ng BUHAY. Ultimo sa maliit na perdible
hangang sa pinakamalaking puki ng balyena ating ipinapalit sa
ngalan ng pera. KALAKALAN ang tawag dito bhoy. At yang mga
sinasabi mong software projects mo ay para mapabilis ang
tinatawag nating kalakalan o TRADE FACILITATION. Ang bottom
line, yang mga proyekto mo sa software kamo, ay isa lang sa mga
bagay na tumutulong para mapabilis ang pagpapalitan ng produkto
at pera.
>
>> Katulad mo brader pangit ang orientasyon mo dahil pinakita
sa 'yo ng
>> sistema ang option na maging isang ordinaryong empleyado ka
lamang na
>> humihimod ng puwit ng boss mo.
>----------------
>No, I don't think it was lack of understanding of being an
entrepreneur. It
>just wasn't for me. I'd rather work fixed hours and get paid
fixed money.
>
>>
>> Isang katuwirang saming. Bawat negosyo o bawat proseso ay
may kanya-
>> kanyang sistema. Kaya nga yang mga software a TAILOR MADE pa
ayon sa
>> pangangailangan ng isang kumpanya. Doon sa maliliit at
katamtaman na
>> nagnenegosyo ang kalimitan na gumagawa dito ay yung tinatawag
na
>> FREELANCE programmers. Ito ay mga IT professionals na
nangongontrata
>> na gumawa ng computer programs para sa mga ganitong klaseng
>> establisemento. Ang sistema ko sa pagtatanim ng manga ay iba
sa
>> pagtatanim ng ubas. Kukuha sana ako ng software na yari sa
amerika
>> pero hindi naaangkop dito sa klima at paraan ng pagtatanim.
Kaya ang
>> ginawa ko ay nagbayad ako ng isang programmer. Di na masama
di ba?
>> Maraming magagagaling na freelancer na programmers at webpage
designers
>> dito sa Pilipinas na hindi nila kailangan ng isang amo na
hinihimod o
>> dinidilaan ang puwet.
>---------------
>Yeah, I'm sure freelance programmers and webpage designers
would do well in
>PI compared to the locale populace. But they'll do even BETTER
overseas.
>I'll bet you they'll get paid ten times or more.
Tama ka naman dyan bhoy, kaya lang ang gastos nila dolyar. Dito
maliit nga ang kita pero mas malaki na man ang oras ng
paglalamiyerda. Yan ay hindi matutumbasan ng pera.
>
>How many PI freelance programmers:
>
>- drive Porsches or BMW M series on top of regular family
minivan and
>everyday Japanese junk car.
>- Have nice five bedroom, three garage houses on half acre lot.
>- Go on lengthy overseas trips every so often.
>- Eat steak and lobster regularly.
>
Yan ba ang batayan mo ng tagumpay? Maniwala ka bhoy, yung mga
kakilala kong empleyado ng ibang kumpanya ay natutumbasan yang
mga pinagdadakdak mo at minsan ay mas masaya pa sila dahil
nandito sila sa sarili nilang bansa.
>> Pero ditto sa pilipinas marami ang nabubuhay na software
>> developers na maliliit at yumayari ng sistema na kasing
efficient ng
>> sistema ng mga kupal na developers na yan.
>-------------------
>Yeah, but I'm sure these software developers get paid peanuts.
When I was a
>freelance programmer writing xBase code back in the early 90's,
I charged
>PhP150 an hour for my services. Today, when I moonlight outside
of my
>fulltime job, I charge $100 an hour for my services. Even if
you factor in
>inflation and cost of living and so forth, Au$100 today will
still buy more
>than PhP150 ten years ago.
>
Ang galing mo naman. Grabeee!!! Hangang-hanga ako sa yo!
>>
>> Maraming ganyan sa mundo. Hindi masama ang magmahal sa
sarili pero
>> bawat isa sa atin ay may pananagutan sa ibang tao. Kaya
hindi umuunlad
>> ang Pilipinas ay maraming individualist na politikong hindot,
>> negosyanteng tarantado at empleyadong gago na katulad mo.
MAKASARILI.
>-------------
>Hey, I'm not preaching my personal beliefs on anyone. If you
want to be
>"makasarili" like me, go for it, babeh. If you want to be a
Mother Teresa or
>St. Francis of Assisi, I'm happy for you, too. But you have no
right to
>criticise my personal beliefs as I have committed no crimes or
am a burden
>to society. It ain't a crime to be "makasarili."
>
Wala naman akong sinasabing maging santo ka. Ang sinasabi ko
lang bhoy ay wag mong pagdildilan na ang kasagutan sa mga
kahirapan ng Pilipino dine ay ang pangingibang bansa. Hindi
lamang natugunan ng ating mga lolo at magulang ang talagang
dapat na mangyari sa ating bansa. Kung ganito ang katuwiran ng
lahat ng tao sa PILIPINAS aba ay di wala ng natira sa
Pilipinas. Wala akong sinasabi rin namang masama sa pagiging
makasarili dahil yan nga dapat ang una mong mahalin. Kaya nga
nagtatrabaho ako para meron akong ipangtustos sa mga boyfriends
ko at mahala ko ang mga titi nila pag gabi at mapasakan ng
tarugo nila ang pwit ko.
>>
>> Ang sa palagay ko nasa diskarte mo yan. Kung mahina ka at
iba ang
>> lifestyle mo aba dyan ka na lang sa ibang bansa at HIMURIN
ANG P'WIT AT
>> TITI NG AMO MO.
>-----------------
>No probs. It pays more to suck Aussie dick than Flip dick. No
Flip dick can
>get me my Porsche Boxster, mate.
>
Ang galing mo! Hindi ka MAYABANG! Napakahumble mong tao. Alam
mo ngayon lang ako nakakita ng isang taong saksakan na
makapagkumbaba. Pero putang ina ka, bakla ka rin pala.
>--
>Talk to me at
>Johnn...@Hotmail.Com
>
>
>
>
>
Just JT
news:0899f700...@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com...
>
> Tama ka naman dyan bhoy, kaya lang ang gastos nila dolyar. Dito
> maliit nga ang kita pero mas malaki na man ang oras ng
> paglalamiyerda. Yan ay hindi matutumbasan ng pera.
I know certain web designers/computer professionals here who work for six
months and tour the world for the next six months of the year. This is
unheard of amongst computer pros in PI. In PI, you stop working, you starve.
>
> Yan ba ang batayan mo ng tagumpay? Maniwala ka bhoy, yung mga
> kakilala kong empleyado ng ibang kumpanya ay natutumbasan yang
> mga pinagdadakdak mo at minsan ay mas masaya pa sila dahil
> nandito sila sa sarili nilang bansa.
---------------
Really? That guy accused of being the Love bug author lived in a stinky
small place without a Porsche.
> >-------------------
> >Yeah, but I'm sure these software developers get paid peanuts.
> When I was a
> >freelance programmer writing xBase code back in the early 90's,
> I charged
> >PhP150 an hour for my services. Today, when I moonlight outside
> of my
> >fulltime job, I charge $100 an hour for my services. Even if
> you factor in
> >inflation and cost of living and so forth, Au$100 today will
> still buy more
> >than PhP150 ten years ago.
> >
>
> Ang galing mo naman. Grabeee!!! Hangang-hanga ako sa yo!
--------------
It's no big deal. I charge the same as the other people. I don't find
anything peculiar with my rates.
>
> Wala naman akong sinasabing maging santo ka. Ang sinasabi ko
> lang bhoy ay wag mong pagdildilan na ang kasagutan sa mga
> kahirapan ng Pilipino dine ay ang pangingibang bansa.
---------------
The bottom line is to give people the choice. Give them a taste of working
overseas. If they don't like it, they'll return to PI. If they love it
there, then they found their fate.
> >-----------------
> >No probs. It pays more to suck Aussie dick than Flip dick. No
> Flip dick can
> >get me my Porsche Boxster, mate.
>
> Ang galing mo! Hindi ka MAYABANG! Napakahumble mong tao. Alam
> mo ngayon lang ako nakakita ng isang taong saksakan na
> makapagkumbaba.
-----------------
Thanks, mate. That's why babes wuv me, I'm humble.
> Pero putang ina ka, bakla ka rin pala.
-----------------
Hey, you got anything against gay people? I don't. I think gay people are
the best. They are the answer to the population explosion problem. People in
gay relationships don't beget kids. We need more gay people.
Alexis
damuhong Egay na iyan. walang silbe at katuturan ang payo niyan kaya hangang
ngayon kaming matatalino ay hindi pa rin umuuwi diyan. Egay Kabayo walang
pag-asa ang bayan kung ang payo ay ganyan, putang bakla ka. puro kahindutan ang
laman ng utak mo...sobra ka blow job at anal-sex kaya tuyo na iyan utak
mo...mag-pari ka na lang para-mag kasilbi ka sa bayan...Titi ng kabit mo...
balatkayo
for you to imply that you are bright is probably the most
pathetic
and most ignorant thing i have ever read. to imply that egay is
somehow gay because of the opinions he has is to make obvious to
everyone here that you dont have the ability to debate with him.
you resort to patethic name calling without any real substance to
your statements.
it's a damned shame the internet is open to stupid people like
you. it makes this newsgroup a place where idiocy reigns.
balat
ng
katutuhonan
The Guardian
balatkayo wrote:
>
> alexis,
>
> for you to imply that you are bright is probably the most
> pathetic
<snip>
> it's a damned shame the internet is open to stupid people like
> you. it makes this newsgroup a place where idiocy reigns.
i hear the internet 2 (second generation internet) is coming. since
it'll available only at universities, government agencies, and research
institutions, it'll effectively lock out at least 80% of current net
users. so, if they come up with a usenet for the i2, you'll fit right
in, balatkayo.
the guardian.
Alexis
Internet napasok na nila.....Balatkayo, bobo mo sigguro isa ka sa bumoto kay
erap, ano! Gago ka talaga...huwag mo akong maligawan at ipagugulpi kita sa
tambay namin sa Anak Bayan...
balatkayo wrote:
> alexis,
>
> for you to imply that you are bright is probably the most
> pathetic
> and most ignorant thing i have ever read. to imply that egay is
> somehow gay because of the opinions he has is to make obvious to
> everyone here that you dont have the ability to debate with him.
> you resort to patethic name calling without any real substance to
> your statements.
>
> it's a damned shame the internet is open to stupid people like
> you. it makes this newsgroup a place where idiocy reigns.
>
> balat
> ng
> katutuhonan
balatkayo
intelligent, i challenge you to post something intelligent.
until
the time that you do post something that has a speck of logic in
it though, i'm just going to sit here and twiddle my thumbs.
balat
ni
alexis
Dirty Sick Pig
>
> i'm just going to sit here and twiddle my thumbs.
You will find more enjoyment, ecstacy and a sense of well being by
twiddling them inside your asshole. Of course I wouldn't know about
this first hand since I just overheard of the act from your seester fags
yacking and grinding on the streets. Maybe eGay can fill you in. He's
boasted of having a telephone pole in his butt.
HelpfulPig
balatkayo
wouldn't
i take that pleasure away from you? i know that in the last year
or so, you have just been having wet dreams about this very
thing!!! but, since you keep inserting your thumbs into your ass
during your dreaming periods, i don't think your dream will ever
come true. hey, have you come out of the closet to your
relatives
yet? it's time to tell them that you are gay and as gay and
happy
as can be. if you want, i can get you information as to how to
come out. although, from the way you keep chasing people you
think are gay, i would think that it would be obvious to everyone
by now what your tastes are.
now go lick your thumbs...
balat
ng
saging
Dirty sick Pig
>
> if you want, i can get you information as to how to
> come out.
I knew it. Anyway, how did it work for you?