Paula Abdul is she a sister or what???
Donna D McCollins
suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
know)??
johnny_on_the_spot!
What the hell are you talking about? She's a god damn mutt, just like
that Mariah bitch! (i.e. Mixed-race baby.) She doesn't know what her
damn race is, and she falls in the "other" or "unknown" race catagory on
the census form. Get your facts straight!
BTW, if it were up to me, that'd group the mutts with the niggers,
because that's what they are. Understand?
-Ronald H.Davis
Donna D McCollins <Don...@cris.com> wrote:
>
>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>know)??
>
hmmm, i had heard that she was arab...
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Apryl
writes:
>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>know)??
If I'm not mistaken, Paula Abdul is supposed to be Syrian and something
else.
The historians that I've talked to equate Syrian with Black.
Because we in American say that if a person has one great grandparent
that is Black, then the person is Black.
Now, if we do the math, she can be considered Black (who is who she
socializes with), but she could just as easily consider herself
non-Black.
Apryl
I won't even say what I was just thinking
Gabrielle Daniels
> I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
> suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
> starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
> know)??
I always thought Paula was the child of Arab immigrants, but identified
with the black community. If she does have black blood from some
grandparent, it wouldn't be news to me, but even her parents are
light-skinned and Semitic-looking.
I knew about an Indian girl like that in high school. India, not Native
American. She hung out exclusively with black folks. She had dark brown
skin and wore her long hair so that it would 'fake' an Afro. She even had
a child by one of the young brothers.
J Lopez
>> I don't know if she is black or not. But her name is definitely
>arab, and I have plenty of cousins who look like her. Someone said
>earlier on in this thread that historians equate Arabs with Blacks.
>That's funny, because I have only heard that from African Americans,
>never from Arabs. I think the vast majority of Arabs consider themselves
>Caucasians. The thought of me being anything other than Caucasian never
>crossed my mind until an African american asked me if I considered myself
>black. Any other thoughts on this?
Some white Americans call Arabs "Caucasian"
when they want to claim that Civilization is a "white" achievement.
Otherwise, I tend to hear them speak of Arabs in generally disparaging terms.
As for Blacks, if you're from an African nation, I think that some blacks
think that makes you black, and you're being uppity if you say otherwise.
Also, some blacks think that Islam is a black religion, so if you're
Moslem or from a predominantly Moslem country, they might expect you to
identify as a black person. If you're a non-African, non-Moslem Arab,
then all bets are off!
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total reference to Harold Robbins?" --Willy Russell
Leila
>
>In article <4eov7t$1...@spectator.cris.com>,
>>
>>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
>>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
>>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>>know)??
>>
>
>
>--
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>
> In article <4eov7t$1...@spectator.cris.com>,
> Donna D McCollins <Don...@cris.com> wrote:
> >
> >I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
> >suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
> >starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
> >know)??
> >
>
> hmmm, i had heard that she was arab...
100% Black, let me tell you straight up!!
Check the thighs and the b....!!
Tony Sterrett
>In article <4er0qf$7...@ssbunews.ih.att.com>, ron...@csggp1.ih.att.com (-Ronald H.Davis) says:
>>
>>>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>>>know)??
>>--
>> I don't know if she is black or not. But her name is definitely
>arab, and I have plenty of cousins who look like her. Someone said
>earlier on in this thread that historians equate Arabs with Blacks.
An Arab is an Arabic speaker who is generally a musilam.
>That's funny, because I have only heard that from African Americans,
>never from Arabs.
Of course Arabs in the US don't associted with
African-American because they want to gain whiteAmericanhood,
same as the Asians. My guess is that you've never been to
the mideast like Egypt? I don't think of them as Caucasians
if they are then the swedes,germans,etc must be something
else.
I think the vast majority of Arabs consider themselves
>Caucasians.
Right, Call an Suadi Caucasian, that's a very good idea.
What's a Caucasian? The Cossaks?
The thought of me being anything other than Caucasian never
>crossed my mind until an African american asked me if I considered myself
>black
Any other thoughts on this?
Yes he/she wanted to see if you have been Americanized. Most
Arabs (regardless of color) call themselves Arabs in the mideast.
Here of course they called themselves white.
Tony
ita
: I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
: know)??
I swear I read the same thing. And a comment on this week's Moesha (I
watched it, didn't like it) made me wonder again. When Moesha is trying
out for the cheerleading squad she says she wants to be the black Paula
Abdul. Sounds like a definite dig to me.
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Gabrielle Daniels
I think this is getting a bit wierd...
On 1 Feb 1996 Leila@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote back to Donna and Ron:
> >>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
> >>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
> >>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
> >>know)??
> >
> >hmmm, i had heard that she was arab...
> >
>I don't know if she is black or not. But her name is definitely
> arab, and I have plenty of cousins who look like her. Someone said
> earlier on in this thread that historians equate Arabs with Blacks.
> That's funny, because I have only heard that from African Americans,
> never from Arabs. I think the vast majority of Arabs consider themselves
> Caucasians. The thought of me being anything other than Caucasian never
> crossed my mind until an African american asked me if I considered myself
> black. Any other thoughts on this?
>
Arabs, like Jews, are Semitic. However, they have mixed at times with
African peoples, just as Egyptians have. I mean, damn, look at the late
Sadat fer instance, and the Saudi Arabian mulatto princes. However, if
you look at the history of the Moslem conquest, they have barred pure
black rulers from occupying, say, the throne of the Ottomans, or that of
the Moroccans. They use them as administrators, grand eunuchs or viziers,
but rarely the top prize.
Syrians? Not sure. Probably Semitic all over again. But they aren't of
African blood.
Let me tell y'all something: As much as Saddam Hussein's Iraq is reviled,
the Iraqis are the lineal brothers and sisters of the Jews and the
Israelis. Abraham migrated from Ur of the Chaldees...now just a mountain
of dust and broken crockery and probably worse since the Gulf War bombing.
And Ur of the Chaldees is in what is now modern Iraq.
Semitic doesn't translate easily into "white" or "Caucasian." Just
because the Israelis are known to be one part Ashkenazim (European Jews),
doesn't make it so. And trying to integrate Egypt into "whiteness" is
trying diss the accomplishments of Africans within Egyptian history.
I think what is really important is that Paula identifies with black
culture in her music. She has thanked the black community for supporting
her work. I think that should be enough.
And she should stay away from the likes of those Sheen brothers! She was
doing OK hanging with Arsenio and some other brothers long time ago. I
say she should get back wit' the folks.
Gabrielle Daniels
Hold it...
On 2 Feb 1996, M2S.Menace2Society wrote:
> ...She doesn't identify with blacks (she denies her
> blackness when asked).
If she is not Afram, but of Arab or Syrian origin as has been suggested on
this thread, she isn't! So she isn't lying here. She has identified with
aspects of black culture. I say, she's being handled badly, they're
trying to whiten her up (that ballad video where she played a Natalie
Wood type in a takeoff on "Rebel W/O A Cause") and she should get back with
some brothers and sisters and some producers who know what's going on.
Paula was also backup singer for Janet Jackson, especially "Nasty Boys"
(you see her in the video, too!) on the album, "Control."
> She doesn't even use blacks in her videos.
Wrong!
Remember "Straight Up?" Arsenio Hall and another brother. "Cold Hearted
Snake"...
> ...Living in America, Paula's blackness will catch up with her
> sooner or later. Anyway, I always say fuck that ho. She ain't black enough
> for me, and she ain't no sista.
Oh, brother M2S. Fer shame. (shaking head)
It's not Paula's voice that I like but the energy behind it (she has a
very thin voice that needs amplification) and her dancing. The girl can
dance! Really! It's too bad the movies aren't using her.
Gabrielle Daniels
> >That's funny, because I have only heard that from African Americans,
> >never from Arabs.
> Of course Arabs in the US don't associted with
> African-American because they want to gain whiteAmericanhood,
> same as the Asians. My guess is that you've never been to
> the mideast like Egypt? I don't think of them as Caucasians
> if they are then the swedes,germans,etc must be something
> else.
>
> I think the vast majority of Arabs consider themselves
> >Caucasians.
> Right, Call an Suadi Caucasian, that's a very good idea.
Number one, when that Federal building got blown up in Oklahoma City,
these folks got "black" real quick by white folks who thought Arab
terrorists were to blame...then they found out different. Not a peep
about apologies or reparations for some of the damage they caused.
Two, some of these cats are pretty liberal, wanting their civil rights
respected as the next person's. Casey Kasem, the DJ, is a case in point.
He hangs with Jesse Jackson; Jesse officiated at his wedding. I think the
vast majority of Arab Americans just wanna be Americans; not necessarily
white. Just Americans who happen to be Arabs. Some are pretty insistent,
however, that their children not buy into some of the liberation here,
especially the women. This has caused a few child killings in a few
instances. If some others are racist, that means they haven't gotten over
their acculturation in their formerly native lands. Wait til the next
generations. If this view of Arabs persists as terrorists with bandoleers
and kaffiyehs with a trigger temper, you'll see some more of this liberal
attitude and a willingness to speak with Aframs and other groups who are
messed with in this country.
Three, the Saudi royals in particular have married black Moslem women.
The result are mulatto princes who wield some heavy power in ministerial
positions. Remember, the Arabs or Bedawin would rather put someone with
mixed African blood in power. It's the power that's the magnet for the
U.S. State Department. I'm sure they dog these guys in private like they
do at their cocktail parties over here...but hey.
Gabrielle Daniels
> Paula was also backup singer for Janet Jackson, especially "Nasty Boys"
> (you see her in the video, too!) on the album, "Control."
>
She also choreographed Janet in her "Control" videos and danced with her.
LO...@hep.physics.mcgill.ca
who was Syrian while her mother was French Canadian. Her father was born
in Brazil so her paternal grandmother was, supposedly, Brazilian.
Martin Phipps
Deborah Barabino
Why? Why care?
--
D. Barabino
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace
unless he has freedom." Malcolm X ( January 18,1965) Militant Labor Forum
Address
M2S.Menace2Society
McCollins) wrote:
:I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
:suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
:starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
:know)??
To be really black demands both a black conscious outlook as well as
black genetic characteristics. Paula Abdul has the genetic
characteristics, that's a documented fact. Consciously, however, she
doesn't have it. She doesn't identify with blacks (she denies her
blackness when asked). She doesn't even use blacks in her videos. But you
all remember that t.v. movie "Queen" with Halle Berry. In the movie, Queen
could easily pass for white, but that didn't make her paternal grandmother
accept her. Later in the movie during hard times, she did try successfully
to pass as white and was accepted, but that was until they found out that
she was black. Living in America, Paula's blackness will catch up with her
Kirth N. Roach
>In <4eramj$5...@minerva.worldbank.org> Leila writes:
>
>>> I don't know if she is black or not. But her name is definitely
>>arab, and I have plenty of cousins who look like her. Someone said
>>earlier on in this thread that historians equate Arabs with Blacks.
>>Caucasians. The thought of me being anything other than Caucasian never
>>crossed my mind until an African american asked me if I considered myself
>>black. Any other thoughts on this?
>
>when they want to claim that Civilization is a "white" achievement.
>Otherwise, I tend to hear them speak of Arabs in generally disparaging terms.
>
>As for Blacks, if you're from an African nation, I think that some blacks
>think that makes you black, and you're being uppity if you say otherwise.
>Also, some blacks think that Islam is a black religion, so if you're
>Moslem or from a predominantly Moslem country, they might expect you to
>identify as a black person. If you're a non-African, non-Moslem Arab,
>then all bets are off!
>--
>jlopez :: "How the hell can you write an essay on E. M. Forster with almost
> total reference to Harold Robbins?" --Willy Russell
OK; lets hear what determines if a person is black or not? Is it based
on physical characteristics, hair texture, color or what? How can any of
us tell if we are black? It seems that the only people who don't have to
prove what race they are, is caucasians. What is the definition of a
Negro, and are african/americans negroes? Would Paula Abdul be
considered Negro? Would the true black person stand up, please!!!!
Kirth
Indianapolis
James Judd
>
> I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
> suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
> starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
> know)??
Hey sister, she'll come around. She's black. She knows it. What,
do you think a white woman can dance like her? Maybe a few, but how many?
James Judd
We got the rythm, we got the style
we'll get the power, just you wait a while
Gabrielle Daniels
She may have some indirect black genes because of the Brazilian
connection. Then again, the grandfather might have married a Syrian girl
who was born in Brazil.
Still makes her Syrian to me.
It's not like she's Sonia Braga, who has black ancestry, within one
generation, or Jennifer Beals and Halle Berry.
Apryl
writes:
>
>
>
>In article <4eov7t$1...@spectator.cris.com>,
>Donna D McCollins <Don...@cris.com> wrote:
>>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
>>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are.
She's
>>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>>know)??
>
>
>It seems kind of obvious (from her name) that she is arabic - Abdul.
>
Um. I don't know how to tell you this. But....
Here in America, most people with dark faces, and coarse hair (Black
folks) have names that are totally unrelated to their ancestry.
No matter the name, the last name accounts for only one parent.
So, while her name is Abdul (Arabic) that does not negate the idea that
she could in fact be Black.
Apryl
Who agrees with the posters 'what does it matter?'
David Whitt
In article <4eov7t$1...@spectator.cris.com>,
Donna D McCollins <Don...@cris.com> wrote:
>I seem to recall reading in Ebony or Jet that her parents where very
>suprised that she was claiming not to be Black because they are. She's
>starting to look less and less like a sister (enquiring minds want to
>know)??
It seems kind of obvious (from her name) that she is arabic - Abdul.
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Pete Lienemann
>
> Who cares? If she knocked at my door at night, I'd let her in!
> --
> Jerome -- This is a great sig -- Walker
Now we have an appropriate answer! Paula, regardless of true
heritage, Janet, regardless of her brother, Uma, looks good to
me, Whitney, still looking good, Dana, as in Drop Dead Delaney,
smokin.
Let's face the fact people. There is only one race, the human
one. (Maybe two if you count Jessie Helms & Pat Roberston)
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Paula is an Arab. Do some research.
Donna D McCollins
: Paula is an Arab. Do some research.
Why should I? I just asked a simple question, I'm not going to die if I
don't find out.
J Lopez
>Paula is an Arab. Do some research.
Is that pronounced "AR-ib" or "AY-rab"?
Saundrell Stevens
Who cares she sings like a cat being neutered.
And boy was she nasty looking when she put on weight.
Saundrell
DARKSTAR
you would express yourself with such lack of compassion, about
a person that has a weight problem.