The city will start charging a per hour fee, no matter how many people
show up. It’s a special fee for “Public Benefit” groups that we should
be thankful for: $47/hour of building use. That comes up to $141 for
Monday practice and $125 for Thursday.
Considering a whole year and holidays and stuff it comes out to
approximately $1,020/month. Right now we pay approximately $400 a
month.
On top of this, the city required that the swim coach on deck becomes
a certified lifeguard. They accepted the fact that we don’t have any
coach on deck, but we still have to have one certified lifeguard in
every practice. They offered to train as many of our players as needed
for no charge. We will need many of you to take the certification
class, which takes 40 (forty) hours.
Now how we will pay for this 2.5 times increase in fees?
Ways we can raise ~$1020/month starting June 1.
Option 1. Increase rate to $11 per practice
We'd rather go with one of the two options below that implement a
monthly membership fee system, with either reduced or zero payment per
practice. Such system encourages regular attendance and ensures that
we have enough money to pay for practices. Drop in rates for
non-members would be high enough to encourage membership.
The numbers shown will bring the amount of money we need. They are
also our best estimate based on attendance in recent months.
2. Monthly fee for members ($50 * 20 members) + Drop in rate ($15)
3. Monthly fee for members ($21 * 20 members) + member practice
rate ($6) + drop in rate ($15)
Based on what we know about you guys, maybe 3 is the system that fit
this group the best, but both works just fine. The key is that we need
20 members. 19 works, but that’s it. So you have to commit or we have
to figure something else out.
We will set a credit card - paypal sign up system that will charge the
membership fee every month.
We anticipate that it will take some time to get all 20 members
committed. To buy some time and get some cushion in the bank we will
increase the practice fee starting next Monday April 18. The new rates
are $8 (prepaid) and $10 (one time).
We propose a meeting to discuss these changes on April 25 at Zante’s
after practice. We’ll shorten practice to make it work, so we’ll get
out of the water at 8:45 pm.
Please plan to come.
At the meeting we’ll discuss all the options and the accounting behind
them and will answer all questions.
Before the meeting find us at practice to ask questions or email us at
our individual accounts.
This is it. Big change, and sucks to pay so much more. It’s not a
whole lot though, at $47/hour. We’ve been paying very little compared
to pool costs.
Let’s get this setup soon and get over it so we can go back to having
fun and putting together great teams for Nationals!
Yours truly,
Roxanne, Gus, Tom
roxru...@gmail.com, gpe...@gmail.com, thec...@gmail.com
This part I should send to you individually, but I wanted to whole group to hear the top comments. (Here is my initial opionion on your 3 options:
I do not like option #2. I do not think that you will get enough members and it discourages drop-ins. Option 1 or 3 is the best (If we are able to drop the total cost down, then maybe you could drop the proposed rates slightly).
Thanks to all the committee members for working on this issue!
FYI - Chris & I will be back in the pool soon. Can't wait to see you all on the bottom
Happy Hockey,
Karen
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From: Gustavo Pesce <gpe...@gmail.com>
To: San Francisco Underwater Hockey google group <sf...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [sfuwh] Fee changes
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:27:18 -0700
Hi Sea Lions- We�ve got big news, our hockey practices at King will
cost us more starting June 1. We will raise pool fees to $8 (prepaid)
and $10 (one time) on Monday April 18. We will raise them further in
June. Please read on.
The city will start charging a per hour fee, no matter how many people
show up. It�s a special fee for �Public Benefit� groups that we should
be thankful for: $47/hour of building use. That comes up to $141 for
Monday practice and $125 for Thursday.
Considering a whole year and holidays and stuff it comes out to
approximately $1,020/month. Right now we pay approximately $400 a
month.
On top of this, the city required that the swim coach on deck becomes
a certified lifeguard. They accepted the fact that we don�t have any
coach on deck, but we still have to have one certified lifeguard in
every practice. They offered to train as many of our players as needed
for no charge. We will need many of you to take the certification
class, which takes 40 (forty) hours.
Now how we will pay for this 2.5 times increase in fees?
Ways we can raise ~$1020/month starting June 1.
Option 1. Increase rate to $11 per practice
We'd rather go with one of the two options below that implement a
monthly membership fee system, with either reduced or zero payment per
practice. Such system encourages regular attendance and ensures that
we have enough money to pay for practices. Drop in rates for
non-members would be high enough to encourage membership.
The numbers shown will bring the amount of money we need. They are
also our best estimate based on attendance in recent months.
2. Monthly fee for members ($50 * 20 members) + Drop in rate ($15)
3. Monthly fee for members ($21 * 20 members) + member practice
rate ($6) + drop in rate ($15)
Based on what we know about you guys, maybe 3 is the system that fit
this group the best, but both works just fine. The key is that we need
20 members. 19 works, but that�s it. So you have to commit or we have
to figure something else out.
We will set a credit card - paypal sign up system that will charge the
membership fee every month.
We anticipate that it will take some time to get all 20 members
committed. To buy some time and get some cushion in the bank we will
increase the practice fee starting next Monday April 18. The new rates
are $8 (prepaid) and $10 (one time).
We propose a meeting to discuss these changes on April 25 at Zante�s
after practice. We�ll shorten practice to make it work, so we�ll get
out of the water at 8:45 pm.
Please plan to come.
At the meeting we�ll discuss all the options and the accounting behind
them and will answer all questions.
Before the meeting find us at practice to ask questions or email us at
our individual accounts.
This is it. Big change, and sucks to pay so much more. It�s not a
whole lot though, at $47/hour. We�ve been paying very little compared
to pool costs.
Let�s get this setup soon and get over it so we can go back to having
fun and putting together great teams for Nationals!
Yours truly,
Roxanne, Gus, Tom
roxru...@gmail.com, gpe...@gmail.com, thec...@gmail.com
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Also, I just want to throw out the idea of giving people the option of choosing option 2 or option 3 (it might be a little hard to track, but I think you will get more people overall to sign up for some type of membership).
Cheers,
Ways we can raise ~$1020/month starting June 1.
Option 1. Increase rate to $11 per practice
We'd rather go with one of the two options below that implement a
monthly membership fee system, with either reduced or zero payment per
practice. Such system encourages regular attendance and ensures that
we have enough money to pay for practices. Drop in rates for
non-members would be high enough to encourage membership.
The numbers shown will bring the amount of money we need. They are
also our best estimate based on attendance in recent months.
2. Monthly fee for members ($50 * 20 members) + Drop in rate ($15)
3. Monthly fee for members ($21 * 20 members) + member practice
rate ($6) + drop in rate ($15)
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Option #3 would be my first choice. I would consider increasing the monthly fee $4.00 per month from $21.00 to $25.00 and keep the practice rate at $5.00.
Option #1 would be my second choice.
King Pool is a good place to play UWH. If we want to continue playing there attendance is going to be critical, or the players who go regularly play will have to carry the financial load for those who just drop in once in awhile. Monthly fees will help relieve that. Drop in rates for new comers should be reduced the first month to encourage membership after the first month, I’m sure something can be worked out based on the amount of playing time each individual desires.
John G.
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Hi all, I was just comparing the various options with the YMCA arrangement, where its $20 drop-in and $65 monthly fee, with first-timers getting a free entry. The king pool is still a good deal with any of the three options. One whole month of lowered costs may be difficult to track if there are a lot of new people dropping in, but maybe saying first time free would help newcomers decide if hockey is for them or not, and then act accordingly. If they are interested in a second visit, usually a higher fee should not deter them, as long as there's still a drop-in option and they're not necessarily forced immediately into joining the membership to keep trying it out. Another thing to think about is that currently there's still a number of people who go to both the Y and the
King pool. With the increased costs, it may no longer be financially sensible to keep both memberships going. Since the Y now only has once a week hockey and management seems pretty impervious to negotiations, should we try to think of another way to keep an abundance of hockey options available in the city, without breaking everyone's bank account? Maybe choosing a different pool to have hockey at, or consolidating all hockey into the King pool and having more nights and better rates with them? Sunshine --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Natalia Silva <nasti...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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I've got a varied schedule so I'm never sure how much i can make it to
practice, and I'm broke, so I'd be down with option 3. Also, I'd love
to take the lifegaurd certification course, any more info on that?
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Meeting Monday at Zante is at 10:00 pm. We will not leave the water
any earlier than normal. But we will continue our "rapid exit" drills.
So everybody out at 9:45.
Zante (Indian Pizza)
3489 Mission Street (@Cortland, near 30th)
San Francisco, CA 94110
Remember that current practice rates are $8 (prepaid) and $10 (drop-in)
See you guys soon,
Gus
Tom, Gus and Roxanne's responses to issues and proposals from players
feedback regarding new fees at King
All dollar amounts below are based on our expectations on future
attendance and enrollment in monthly payment systems. They are subject
to change as needed. If turnout goes down we will have to raise the
fees, if it goes up we will be able to cut them. If we change them we
would keep the relative values unchanged
1-Give people the option to pay $50 monthly for unlimited practices or
$21 monthly + $6 per practice.
We can do this. It adds even more administrative work though, which is
a major issue in deciding what to do.
If we do this, we will ask people to pay quarterly (3 months at a
time, starting June 2011).
2-Reduce Monday expenses by starting water time at 8:00 PM
We are reluctant to cut hockey time to accommodate people tardiness.
If the situation continues that ~5 players show up at 7:15 and engage
in workouts and drills, then so much for the better. Let the players
committed to personal development enjoy their time and make everyone
pay for it. It’s a goal of the Club to promote activities that
increase fitness and skill level.
We might be able to cut our ending time by 15 min, based on our test
yesterday (and ongoing tests!) on rapid building evacuation.
3-Reduce Monday expenses by leaving without showering
We think that considering the rapid-evacuation test, and the fact
showering is only a fraction of the 15 minutes exit-time (on top of
clearing the deck, drying and getting into one’s clothing), we don’t
think the savings are worth the sacrifice.
4-Drop in price
We want a drop in price that encourages anybody who might play more
than a couple times a month to join on the monthly scheme. This aligns
with the club’s expenses, encourages them to attend and reduces the
monthly fees for everyone. We also need to keep the fees simple to
explain and charge.
4a-Special discounts for new players
We plan to have the first practice free and for the first month after
that $6/practice for new players only.
4b-Special discount for players from out of town
There is some concern that $15/practice is too high. In particular it
is great having Club Puck players come all the way from San Jose to
play with us and we don’t want to lose them. We want to encourage the
monthly scheme and our cost is about $12/person-practice. Let’s
discuss it next Monday.
5-Financial hardship on players that play at King and at the YMCA
Players that want to play at the Y and once a week at King also would
have to pay $106 ($41+$65) monthly for hockey, which maybe too much
for some.
A suggestion was made to open a new hockey practice in another more
affordable pool or to add nights to the King pool program. There are
no other hockey pools with affordable rates in San Francisco. We can
expand the program at King if attendance increases, due to enrollment
of Y players or otherwise. Right now Friday nights and Saturday and
Sunday afternoons are available.
6-Lifeguard certification
As we said before, we will be required to have one certified lifeguard
at every practice. If we don’t provide one, we have to pay $30 per
hour of water time to the city, so they can provide one of theirs. A
third option is to hire a lifeguard ourselves and do a private deal
with this person.
The city offered to train as many players as willing for free. The
certification takes 40 hours of class.
Until the city comes back to us with dates for the class, we will not
know anything else on this matter.
Until the class happens, we will be granted a “grace period”, during
which we will not be required to provide a lifeguard.
It is unclear how long this will take. It maybe a month or maybe a year or two.
We don’t have any plan B in case there aren’t enough players that take
the class. We also don’t have a plan to provide financial incentives
to those players. If we do, we would have to raise the pool fees to
pay for that.
7-Raise money through fundraiser events like parties.
Please volunteer to organize a fundraising events. Tournaments
sometimes raise a few $100. Our pool fees will be about $12,000/year.
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