OT: Google bike maps routing question

[Bret Lobree]

Does anyone know why google maps doesn't route on BART to cross the bay when doing point to point directions?

Thanks in advance,

Bret

[Andrew Stadler]

What's really odd is that it does offer a ferry route, but not BART or e.g. AC Transit.

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[Justin!]

Meaning that it uses the ferry system instead? My only guess is that it may have gotten set up during a time when BART did not allow bikes during commute hours and so it avoided BART altogether.

[Justin!]

Not very helpful:

https://support.google.com/maps/forum/AAAAQuUrST8_uCZQKgonus/?hl=en

https://support.google.com/maps/forum/AAAAQuUrST8j11STP_tR8M/?hl=en

[Nathan Dushman]

Much as I've wanted a similar feature myself, I can see how it would get complicated to offer directions that include both bicycling and public transit. There would need to be some metric for balancing transit versus bicycling: do you want the route that minimizes bicycling distance, minimizes overall time, minimizes cost? The ferry, on the other hand, only crosses the bay, and from only a small number of locations, so it's an easier problem.

[Bret Lobree]

That's a good point, I'd be ok with just an option to get across the bay with minimum PT or maximum PT. Interestingly there is an option to exclude ferry rides which then suggests you ride the Dumbarton bridge. 

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[Beckett Madden-Woods]

I asked internally here at Google. Google Maps support for multi-modal directions is scant, but it's a known shortcoming that the Maps folks do hope to address. Apparently the ferry integration is a long-standing weird exception.

Let's just blame Lina. She works on Google Maps these days. ;-)

[Chris Merrill]

I really enjoy the TriMet planner for the Portland area.

https://trimet.org/ride/planner_form.html

You can choose options like "Bike to Transit" and "Bike and Train Only".

It's not perfect, but I wish we had something like it for the bay area.

[Jason Thorpe]

On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Beckett Madden-Woods <bec...@beckettmw.com> wrote:

Let's just blame Lina. She works on Google Maps these days. ;-)

Oh, I thought she only went on epic vacations these days!

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[Peter Colijn]

Good to know :)

I actually wondered this myself, since pretty much any time you ask for bike directions from SF to somewhere "far" that is not south, it tells you to take a ferry first.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Beckett Madden-Woods <bec...@beckettmw.com> wrote:

I asked internally here at Google. Google Maps support for multi-modal directions is scant, but it's a known shortcoming that the Maps folks do hope to address. Apparently the ferry integration is a long-standing weird exception.

Let's just blame Lina. She works on Google Maps these days. ;-)

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:41 PM Bret Lobree <blo...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's a good point, I'd be ok with just an option to get across the bay with minimum PT or maximum PT. Interestingly there is an option to exclude ferry rides which then suggests you ride the Dumbarton bridge. 

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:15 PM Nathan Dushman <n...@abtech.org> wrote:

Much as I've wanted a similar feature myself, I can see how it would get complicated to offer directions that include both bicycling and public transit. There would need to be some metric for balancing transit versus bicycling: do you want the route that minimizes bicycling distance, minimizes overall time, minimizes cost? The ferry, on the other hand, only crosses the bay, and from only a small number of locations, so it's an easier problem.

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 1:12:18 PM UTC-7, Justin! wrote:

Not very helpful:

https://support.google.com/maps/forum/AAAAQuUrST8_uCZQKgonus/?hl=en

https://support.google.com/maps/forum/AAAAQuUrST8j11STP_tR8M/?hl=en

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[Peter Chang]

Le mercredi 12 juillet 2017 17:01:42 UTC-7, Peter Colijn a écrit :

I actually wondered this myself, since pretty much any time you ask for bike directions from SF to somewhere "far" that is not south, it tells you to take a ferry first.

so we know it's not lina, because it would suggest some weird train route.

\p 

[Ken MacInnis]

She’s becoming more Merican by the day. I’m actually really proud.

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[Lina Mårtensson]

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[Jason Ferrier]

Truck + MTBs is multi-modal... :)