Conservatives fire back at Obama, say he sowed the division that led to Trump

[a425couple]

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Conservatives fire back at Obama, say he sowed the division that led to
Trump
William Cummings, USA TODAY Published 2:12 p.m. ET Sept. 10, 2018 |
Updated 2:22 p.m. ET Sept. 10, 2018
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Former President Barack Obama says the midterm elections in November
will give Americans the chance to — in his words — "restore some sanity
in our politics" by changing control of Congress. (Sept. 8) AP

Former President Barack Obama is on the campaign trail, stumping for
Democratic candidates in a midterm election in which he says our very
democracy is at stake. And many conservative politicians and pundits
were happy to get the chance to relive the Obama years and point to what
they perceive as his failures in office.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in response to Obama's speech that,
"The more former President Obama speaks about the ‘good ol years’ of his
presidency, the more likely President Trump is to get re-elected."

Former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka said Obama's "whole eight-year
presidency was an embarrassment when it comes to everything from the
economy to national security."

Several conservatives jumped on Obama's assertion that President Donald
Trump was brought to power by the forces in America that "keep us
divided and keep us angry and keep us cynical." They said it was Obama,
not Trump, who first used rhetoric to pit groups of Americans against
each other.

More: GOP thinks Obama's anti-Trump message will rally Republican base
during midterm elections

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., sent a series of tweets outlining times he
felt Obama was guilty of using divisive language, including his infamous
2008 line where he accused "cynical" voters of clinging to "guns or
religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them."

Marco Rubio
✔
@marcorubio
Pres. Obama is right. It is wrong for a President to use divisive
language, such as:
1. Call all opponents of same-sex marriage bigots
2. Call the Pro-Life movement a "War on Women"
3. Call all immigration enforcement advocates racists
4. Call the GOP the enemy of Hispanics

Marco Rubio
✔
@marcorubio
Barack Obama on people left behind by new economy: “And it’s not
surprising then they get bitter,they cling to guns or religion or
antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment
or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Fox News host Jeanine Pirro derided Obama for a "full-throttled, savage
attack" on Trump. She particularly took issue with Obama's statement
that Trump has been "capitalizing" on America's historical resentments.

More: Read transcript of former President Obama's speech, blasting
President Trump

"Are you kidding?" asked an incredulous Pirro. "If anyone has stoked
racial hatred and divisiveness, it's you," she said, citing Obama's
actions in the wake of the 2014 police shooting in Ferguson, Missouri,
that helped spark the Black Lives Matter movement.

"The only reason that we have an outsider, businessman president is
because of you, your lies, your policies and your divisiveness," Pirro
said. "You, Barack, you elected Donald Trump."

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie also took issue with Obama's
attempt to blame America's divisions on Trump, calling it "richly
ironic" for him to refer to Trump as a "symptom" of the divide.

"He was the president for the eight years when the cause was being
created," Christie said on "ABC This Week" on Sunday. "But the president
acts like he's detached from this, that somehow he was a dispassionate
observer during the eight years beforehand."

Former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly slammed Obama for violating the
unwritten code of former presidents not publicly criticizing their
predecessors. But O'Reilly said Obama's appearances will be good news
for Trump and the Republicans because it reminds voters of two things:
that Obama's "economic policies harmed many Americans" and that
"evidence points to powerful people within the Obama administration
misusing the FBI and federal judges to illegally surveil the Trump
campaign."

In his speech Friday, Obama told the crowd that "when you hear how great
the economy's doing right now," it is important to "remember when this
recovery started."

Stephen Moore, who served as economic adviser to Trump during the
campaign, called it "preposterous" for Obama to take credit for the
booming economy. Moore said the economy was slowing down dramatically at
the end of Obama's second term and that the current growth started as "a
result of the fact that Obama and Clinton were not going to be office
anymore."

Fox Business host Stuart Varney called it a "stretch" for Obama to take
credit for the economy.

"Today's stellar 4 percent growth is clearly the result of tax cuts and
deregulation. That's Trump, it's not Obama," said Varney.


Conservative Eric Bolling tweeted that it is "disgraceful" to see Obama
taking credit for Trump's successes.

Score So Far-

TRUMP:
-Unemployment Rate
-GDP
-Wage Growth
-# Blacks Employed
-# Hispanics Employed
-# Women Employed
-ISIS Wins
-Homegrown Terror Events

OBAMA:
-Slick Speaking
-School Shootings


But Democrats like their chances heading into November, and many are
happy to embrace Obama's message.

Mike Levin, who is running for the seat left open by retiring GOP Rep.
Darrell Issa in California, tweeted that Obama "left Trump an economy on
third base. Trump thinks he hit a triple."


“I think President Obama is a powerful reminder of what a presidential
leader looks like, and that’s a contrast to Donald Trump,” Katie Porter,
who is running to unseat California Republican Rep. Mimi Walters, told
Politico.

But some, like Andrew Janz, who is trying to topple incumbent California
Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, are keeping more of a cautious distance.

"I’m going to run my own race," Janz told Politico. "I am really focused
on making sure that the voters of my district know that I am not
somebody that is going to be controlled by the national party."

[Baxter]

a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pnhg9...@news3.newsguy.com:

> from
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/09/10/cons

> ervatives-attack-obama-speech/1254935002/
>
> Conservatives fire back at Obama, say he sowed the division that led
> to Trump

Ah, yes, it MUST have been Obama - couldn't have been the propaganda pushed
out 24/7 by FAUX NUZ and other right-wing blatherers.

[a425couple]

You are truly delusional, if you think "propaganda pushed
out 24/7 by FAUX NUZ" caused the Democrats to lose control
of the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, and the POTUS
in 2016.

The voters decided the Democrats were not addressing
the problems that they saw.

[Just Wondering]

You spelled "CNN and the New York Times" wrong.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/14/2018 6:56 PM, Baxter wrote:

Asshole liberals cling to their MSNBC and man buns.


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[None of the Above]

On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:56:49 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:

>a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:pnhg9...@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>> from
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/09/10/cons
>> ervatives-attack-obama-speech/1254935002/
>>
>> Conservatives fire back at Obama, say he sowed the division that led
>> to Trump
>
>Ah, yes, it MUST have been Obama

Good to see you're finally coming around!

[None of the Above]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:48:31 -0700, Al Czervik
<Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/14/2018 6:56 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:pnhg9...@news3.newsguy.com:
>>
>>> from
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/09/10/cons
>>> ervatives-attack-obama-speech/1254935002/
>>>
>>> Conservatives fire back at Obama, say he sowed the division that led
>>> to Trump
>>
>> Ah, yes, it MUST have been Obama - couldn't have been the propaganda pushed
>> out 24/7 by FAUX NUZ and other right-wing blatherers.
>
>Asshole liberals cling to their MSNBC and man buns.

Who else would want either?

[Avenging Angel]

Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in
news:pnhot0$9f$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

Shut up you bloated asshole. Hurry up and die so the resources wasted on
you can go to someone more deserving.

[Avenging Angel]

a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pnhte...@news3.newsguy.com:

The Democrats WERE the problem they saw.

And they are just getting worse. "Progressive" is a joke, they want to
take us back to the dark ages so we are easier to rule over.

They are monsters.

[Baxter]

a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pnhte...@news3.newsguy.com:

Many of those "problems" were racist dog-whistles, many other "problems"
were entirely distortions made by the right-wing (they will take your
gunz).

[Avenging Angel]

Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty since
the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?

Oh and BTW, yes they will take our gun, they frrely admit it.

[Baxter]

Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
news:XnsA95F4EFF97B49g...@85.214.115.223:

> Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
> @gioia.aioe.org:
>
>

> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty
> since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?

When racists and Repugs get out of the way

>
> Oh and BTW, yes they will take our gun, they frrely admit it.
>

Propaganda spewed by gun fondlers

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

They freely admit it. It's what they want to do. They just haven't
managed to pull it of because every time they try, they run into
Americans.

[Baxter]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
news:de6tpdtjku6t9onu1...@4ax.com:

Do provide a link to these people who want to take away your guns -
especially links to those who want to take away the guns of the insane,
terrorists, violent abusers, infants, and the the like.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:57:50 +0000 (UTC), Baxter

<bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
>news:de6tpdtjku6t9onu1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:16:26 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
>>>news:XnsA95F4EFF97B49g...@85.214.115.223:
>>>
>>>> Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
>>>> @gioia.aioe.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty
>>>> since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?
>>>
>>>When racists and Repugs get out of the way
>>>>
>>>> Oh and BTW, yes they will take our gun, they frrely admit it.
>>>>
>>>Propaganda spewed by gun fondlers
>>
>> They freely admit it. It's what they want to do. They just haven't
>> managed to pull it of because every time they try, they run into
>> Americans.
>>
>Do provide a link to these people who want to take away your guns -
>especially links to those who want to take away the guns of the insane,
>terrorists, violent abusers, infants, and the the like.

Well make up your mind, which do you want?

[Just Wondering]

On 9/16/2018 3:53 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 Baxter wrote:
>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 Baxter wrote:
>>>> Avenging Angel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of
>>>>> poverty since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?
>>>>
>>>> When racists and Repugs get out of the way
>>>>>

>>>>> Oh and BTW, yes they will take our gun, they frely admit it.

>>>>>
>>>> Propaganda spewed by gun fondlers
>>>
>>> They freely admit it. It's what they want to do. They just haven't
>>> managed to pull it of because every time they try, they run into
>>> Americans.
>>>
>> Do provide a link to these people who want to take away your guns -
>> especially links to those who want to take away the guns of the
>> insane, terrorists, violent abusers, infants, and the the like.
>
> Well make up your mind, which do you want?

I would like to see a link to the "Infants With Guns" website.
I think Baxter heard someone use the phrase "babe in arms"
and got confused.

[Al Czervik]

They have no interest in that. As soon as blacks achieve middle class
they are less likely to vote Democrat. It takes a free market:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/black-unemployment-falls-to-second-lowest-on-record-2018-09-07

[Al Czervik]

On 9/16/2018 8:16 AM, Baxter wrote:
> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA95F4EFF97B49g...@85.214.115.223:
>
>> Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
>> @gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>
>> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty
>> since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?
>

> When racists get out of the way

They are out of the White House, the House and the Senate. Now we are
seeing black unemployment the 2nd lowest ever:

[Snit]

I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.

Sanders is working to REDUCE this type of socialism. Conservatives,
predictability will reject it. They LOVE socialism for the rich.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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[Scout]

"Baxter" <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:pnls4a$aua$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA95F4EFF97B49g...@85.214.115.223:
>
>> Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
>> @gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>
>> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty
>> since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?
>
> When racists and Repugs get out of the way

Yea, but here you are supporting those Democrats anyway.

[Scout]

"Baxter" <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message

news:pnj6ik$5v0$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

Hmm.. Trump has done more to raise Blacks out of poverty than Democrats have
done since the 60's

[Scout]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
news:g0ad6l...@mid.individual.net...

Then look around you.

[Al Czervik]

The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to see
them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her necessary
meds.

[Avenging Angel]

Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnls4a$aua$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA95F4EFF97B49g...@85.214.115.223:
>
>> Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:pnj6ik$5v0$1
>> @gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>
>> Wow, really? You' been promising to raise the blacks out of poverty
>> since the 1960s, asswipe. When are you going to do it?
>
> When racists and Repugs get out of the way

The Carter years, the Clinton years, the Obama years.

I think you don't mean it.

>>
>> Oh and BTW, yes they will take our gun, they frrely admit it.
>>
> Propaganda spewed by gun fondlers

No, fair warning.

[Avenging Angel]

Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:

What he is is a clear and present danger.

[Baxter]

Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in

news:XnsA961E1D67D024g...@85.214.115.223:

> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>

>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to
>> see them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her
>> necessary meds.
>>

They got you buffaloed. They will not leave, and if they did we would no
longer have to support them - they are (figuratively) eating us out of
house and home. After WWII we taxed them, and those taxes build us as a
superpower. Now we don't tax them and the country is deteriorating.

>
> What he is is a clear and present danger.
>

What you are is stupid

[Snit]

On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
...

>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.
>
> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.

Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
(having redistributed to them). So they pay a far lower percent of
income tax than most of us.

> I understand you love to see
> them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her necessary
> meds.

See them leave? What do you even mean by that?

[Al Czervik]

On 9/18/2018 7:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA961E1D67D024g...@85.214.115.223:
>
>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to
>>> see them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her
>>> necessary meds.
>>>
> They got you buffaloed. They will not leave,

You've never heard of the wealthy taking their money offshore? I'm not
surprised.

> and if they did we would no
> longer have to support them

That would mean that they aren't paying more than their fair share.

> - they are (figuratively) eating us out of
> house and home. After WWII we taxed them, and those taxes build us as a
> superpower.

No one paid that tax and when JFK lowered it tax revenues increased -
like the did for 2018 after the Trump tax cuts. We'll have more revenues
next year as well.

> Now we don't tax them and the country is deteriorating.

Trump grabbed you by the pussy and now Oregon has the lowest
unemployment *EVER*.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/18/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
> ...
>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.
>>
>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>
> Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
> (having redistributed to them).

No one believes that except kQQks.

> So they pay a far lower percent of
> income tax than most of us.

They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are to
give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or invest
somewhere else.

3.9% unemployment currently.

>> I understand you love to see them leave but then you are an idiot who
>> doesn't take his/her necessary meds.
>
> See them leave? What do you even mean by that?

You said the 21% of our total federal income tax receipts is, "far less

than the amount of income they end up getting (having redistributed to

them)". If this were true and they left there would be more everyone tax
money to spend on the rest of us.

Of course this is not true, but you are an idiot. I don't think your
meds will help that but it wouldn't hurt.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 19:58:05 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>...
>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.
>>
>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>
>Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
>(having redistributed to them).

There is no income redistributed to top 1%. Even Eleanor Roosevelt
knew that.

[Baxter]

Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:pnshe7$asp$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
> invest somewhere else.
>

You have no idea how economics works, do you? After WWII the rich
reinvested because they otherwise would have had to pay taxes - high taxes
made them reinvest. Low taxes means they don't have to reinvest and can
just spend it or let it sit in a vault like Scrooge McDuck.

[Snit]

On 9/18/18 8:56 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
> On 9/18/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.
>>>
>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>>
>> Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
>> (having redistributed to them).
>
> No one believes that except kQQks.

You denying facts is not of value.

>> So they pay a far lower percent of income tax than most of us.
>
> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are to
> give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or invest
> somewhere else.

Or how about STOP redistributing money to them?

> 3.9% unemployment currently.
>
>>> I understand you love to see them leave but then you are an idiot who
>>> doesn't take his/her necessary meds.
>>
>> See them leave? What do you even mean by that?
>
> You said the 21% of our total federal income tax receipts is, "far less
> than the amount of income they end up getting (having redistributed to
> them)". If this were true and they left there would be more everyone tax
> money to spend on the rest of us.

"more everyone tax money"? WHAT?

> Of course this is not true,

Your own comments are not true. OK.

> but you are an idiot. I don't think your
> meds will help that but it wouldn't hurt.

Your worship of the wealthy is odd to me... but sadly not uncommon.

[Snit]

Ah, just deny issues so you do not have to deal with them. You likely do
the same with man-made global climate change.

[Snit]

On 9/18/18 8:45 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
> On 9/18/2018 7:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
>> news:XnsA961E1D67D024g...@85.214.115.223:
>>
>>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to
>>>> see them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her
>>>> necessary meds.
>>>>
>> They got you buffaloed. They will not leave,
>
> You've never heard of the wealthy taking their money offshore? I'm not
> surprised.

Are you suggesting that we should continue to bribe them so we can
hopefully get some benefit from them?

>> and if they did we would no
>> longer have to support them
>
> That would mean that they aren't paying more than their fair share.
>
>> - they are (figuratively) eating us out of
>> house and home.  After WWII we taxed them, and those taxes build us as a
>> superpower.
>
> No one paid that tax and when JFK lowered it tax revenues increased -
> like the did for 2018 after the Trump tax cuts. We'll have more revenues
> next year as well.

We are having increased debt under Trump... and increased income
inequality. This is not sustainable.

>> Now we don't tax them and the country is deteriorating.
>
> Trump grabbed you by the pussy and now Oregon has the lowest
> unemployment *EVER*.
>
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[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
<bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:

>Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:pnshe7$asp$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
>> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
>> invest somewhere else.
>>
>You have no idea how economics works, do you?

It's clear Baxter doesn't.

"Capitalism is theft from the workers who actually produce value. The
"guy in business [for himself] " is not working."
-Baxter, October 2013

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:50:09 -0700, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/19/18 5:28 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 19:58:05 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the 1%.
>>>>
>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>>>
>>> Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
>>> (having redistributed to them).
>>
>> There is no income redistributed to top 1%. Even Eleanor Roosevelt
>> knew that.
>>
>
>Ah, just deny issues

What "issue" are you referring to? You mean your continuous "income
redistribution" lie?

[Al Czervik]

On 9/19/2018 8:20 AM, Baxter wrote:
> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:pnshe7$asp$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
>> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
>> invest somewhere else.
>>

> You have no idea how economics works, do you? After WWII...

...The United States was the only country that didn't have the shit
bombed out it.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/19/2018 10:47 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/18/18 8:56 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> On 9/18/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize the
>>>>> 1%.
>>>>
>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>>>
>>> Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
>>> (having redistributed to them).
>>
>> No one believes that except kQQks.
>
> You denying facts is not of value.

That's not a fact.

>>> So they pay a far lower percent of income tax than most of us.
>>
>> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
>> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
>> invest somewhere else.
>
> Or how about STOP redistributing money to them?

Then they will take their money somewhere else and we will lose even
more... But you believe that the 1%'ers are net consumers of tax dollars
so that would be a good thing for you.

>> 3.9% unemployment currently.
>>
>>>> I understand you love to see them leave but then you are an idiot
>>>> who doesn't take his/her necessary meds.
>>>
>>> See them leave? What do you even mean by that?
>>
>> You said the 21% of our total federal income tax receipts is, "far
>> less than the amount of income they end up getting (having
>> redistributed to them)". If this were true and they left there would
>> be more everyone tax money to spend on the rest of us.
>
> "more everyone tax money"? WHAT?

More tax money to spend on the rest of us.

>> Of course this is not true,
>
> Your own comments are not true. OK.
>
>> but you are an idiot. I don't think your meds will help that but it
>> wouldn't hurt.
>
> Your worship of the wealthy is odd to me... but sadly not uncommon.

You worship Trump because he owns you.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/19/2018 10:57 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/18/18 8:45 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> On 9/18/2018 7:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
>>> news:XnsA961E1D67D024g...@85.214.115.223:
>>>
>>>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to
>>>>> see them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her
>>>>> necessary meds.
>>>>>
>>> They got you buffaloed. They will not leave,
>>
>> You've never heard of the wealthy taking their money offshore? I'm not
>> surprised.
>
> Are you suggesting that we should continue to bribe them so we can
> hopefully get some benefit from them?

We're competing with other countries.

>>> and if they did we would no
>>> longer have to support them
>>
>> That would mean that they aren't paying more than their fair share.
>>
>>> - they are (figuratively) eating us out of
>>> house and home.  After WWII we taxed them, and those taxes build us as a
>>> superpower.
>>
>> No one paid that tax and when JFK lowered it tax revenues increased -
>> like the did for 2018 after the Trump tax cuts. We'll have more
>> revenues next year as well.
>
> We are having increased debt under Trump... and increased income
> inequality. This is not sustainable.

Both of those will change unless we get a Democrat House... Then it will
get worse.

[Al Czervik]

Baxter is the guy who sells free code for a Palm 3 that calculates the
volume of a cylinder.

[Just Wondering]

On 9/19/2018 10:55 PM, Al Cervix wrote:
> On 9/19/2018 8:20 AM, Baxter wrote:

>> Al Cervix wrote :

>>>
>>> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
>>> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
>>> invest somewhere else.
>>>
>> You have no idea how economics works, do you?  After WWII...
>
> ...The United States was the only country that didn't have the shit
> bombed out it.

Who bombed Switzerland?

[Baxter]

Just Wondering <J...@me.com> wrote in news:UVHoD.39120$nH2....@fx26.iad:

------------
Bombings of Switzerland in World War II consisted of initially sporadic
bombing events that became more frequent during the later stage of World
War II.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_of_Switzerland_in_World_War_II

[Snit]

On 9/19/18 10:11 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
> On 9/19/2018 10:47 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 9/18/18 8:56 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>>> On 9/18/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/18 9:16 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> I want to see all of the 99% no longer be required to subsidize
>>>>>> the 1%.
>>>>>
>>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Which is far, far less than the amount of income they end up getting
>>>> (having redistributed to them).
>>>
>>> No one believes that except kQQks.
>>
>> You denying facts is not of value.
>
> That's not a fact.

Well, not of a value I care to see: but, sure, the value is you avoid
the topic. Yeah for you, I guess.

>>>> So they pay a far lower percent of income tax than most of us.
>>>
>>> They will always be able to shelter their money. The alternatives are
>>> to give them the opportunity to reinvest in the American economy or
>>> invest somewhere else.
>>
>> Or how about STOP redistributing money to them?
>
> Then they will take their money somewhere else and we will lose even
> more... But you believe that the 1%'ers are net consumers of tax dollars
> so that would be a good thing for you.

So you are willing to bribe them to stay here, even if bribing them
causes you harm. Fair enough: this is a part of your worship I have
talked about.

I prefer to do things based more on logic and reason and not worship or
damnation of any group.

>>> 3.9% unemployment currently.
>>>
>>>>> I understand you love to see them leave but then you are an idiot
>>>>> who doesn't take his/her necessary meds.
>>>>
>>>> See them leave? What do you even mean by that?
>>>
>>> You said the 21% of our total federal income tax receipts is, "far
>>> less than the amount of income they end up getting (having
>>> redistributed to them)". If this were true and they left there would
>>> be more everyone tax money to spend on the rest of us.
>>
>> "more everyone tax money"? WHAT?
>
> More tax money to spend on the rest of us.

If we used reason and helped those in need and did NOT help those not in
need then we would be better off. I mean, sure, for EVERYONE there would
be roads and parks and libraries and infrastructure and the like, but
why "invest" in the wealthy when you know you only get back something
like 70 cents on the dollar? It is an idiotic way of handling things.

>>> Of course this is not true,
>>
>> Your own comments are not true. OK.
>>
>>> but you are an idiot. I don't think your meds will help that but it
>>> wouldn't hurt.
>>
>> Your worship of the wealthy is odd to me... but sadly not uncommon.
>
> You worship Trump because he owns you.

It is sad how you just make things up when you feel you have cornered
yourself. But, of course, there is nothing I can do to help rise you up
from grade school put down nonsense. It is just what you do.

[Snit]

On 9/19/18 10:19 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
> On 9/19/2018 10:57 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 9/18/18 8:45 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>>> On 9/18/2018 7:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> Avenging Angel <Not.fucki...@NoWay.com> wrote in
>>>> news:XnsA961E1D67D024g...@85.214.115.223:
>>>>
>>>>> Al Czervik <Caddys...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:pnpu7a$arv$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The top 1% pay 21% of federal income taxes. I understand you love to
>>>>>> see them leave but then you are an idiot who doesn't take his/her
>>>>>> necessary meds.
>>>>>>
>>>> They got you buffaloed. They will not leave,
>>>
>>> You've never heard of the wealthy taking their money offshore? I'm
>>> not surprised.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that we should continue to bribe them so we can
>> hopefully get some benefit from them?
>
> We're competing with other countries.

Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
manufacturing, space, energy, health care, and so much more. I am saying
we should work to compete better.

>>>> and if they did we would no
>>>> longer have to support them
>>>
>>> That would mean that they aren't paying more than their fair share.
>>>
>>>> - they are (figuratively) eating us out of
>>>> house and home.  After WWII we taxed them, and those taxes build us
>>>> as a
>>>> superpower.
>>>
>>> No one paid that tax and when JFK lowered it tax revenues increased -
>>> like the did for 2018 after the Trump tax cuts. We'll have more
>>> revenues next year as well.
>>
>> We are having increased debt under Trump... and increased income
>> inequality. This is not sustainable.
>
> Both of those will change unless we get a Democrat House... Then it will
> get worse.

It has been getting worse under both parties... but historically, at
least since WWII the economy does better under Democrats. This is true
for the legislative and the executive branches.

>>>> Now we don't tax them and the country is deteriorating.
>>>
>>> Trump grabbed you by the pussy and now Oregon has the lowest
>>> unemployment *EVER*.
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> https://www.avg.com
>

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>> We're competing with other countries.
>
>Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>manufacturing, space,

Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???

[Baxter]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
news:7jr7qd9dem1e0h8ck...@4ax.com:

The International Space Station was not built by the US, and we depend on
the rockets of other nations to send people and goods to that facility.

[Snit]

At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.

<https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-asia-space-race/china.html>

Russia is no slough, either.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

And you think that's "beating us in space," when we just sent a Tesla
into space and the boosters came back and landed on the launching pad.

ROFLMAO

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>
>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>> manufacturing, space,
>>
>>
>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>
>
>At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.

Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."

[Snit]

At the very least we are letting it slip. We are ignoring science in
general. Heck, look how many people (the majority conservatives) who do
not know what the center of the solar system is, who deny man-made
global climate change, who think the Earth is 6000 years old or
whatever, etc.

[Snit]

On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

Who is going to get to Mars first?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:26:03 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
>>> news:7jr7qd9dem1e0h8ck...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>
>>> The International Space Station was not built by the US, and we depend on
>>> the rockets of other nations to send people and goods to that facility.
>>
>> And you think that's "beating us in space," when we just sent a Tesla
>> into space and the boosters came back and landed on the launching pad.
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>>
>
>Who is going to get to Mars first?

Do you mean a manned mission? The United States will, of course.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:25:47 -0700, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."
>>
>
>At the very least we are letting it slip.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong by claiming some other backwards
country was "beating us in space."

Nobody is beating us in space. We're the Space Kings.

[Snit]

Maybe. When was the last time we went back to the moon even. We gave up.
And we as a country ignore science. Look at you... do you deny man-made
global climate change? Do you think vaccinations cause autism? Do you
fear GMOs as huge health hazards? Sincerely curious.

[Snit]

As noted, they are at least challenging us. And we have largely given up
as a nation.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:14:20 -0700, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/18 2:35 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:26:03 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>>>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:7jr7qd9dem1e0h8ck...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>>
>>>>> The International Space Station was not built by the US, and we depend on
>>>>> the rockets of other nations to send people and goods to that facility.
>>>>
>>>> And you think that's "beating us in space," when we just sent a Tesla
>>>> into space and the boosters came back and landed on the launching pad.
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who is going to get to Mars first?
>>
>> Do you mean a manned mission? The United States will, of course.
>>
>
>Maybe. When was the last time we went back to the moon even. We gave up.

We had other things to do. How many times does one need to go to the
moon?

>And we as a country ignore science.

It's evident that you are among this group.

>Look at you... do you deny man-made
>global climate change? Do you think vaccinations cause autism? Do you
>fear GMOs as huge health hazards? Sincerely curious.

You ask these questions, indicating you don't know. Yet you fearfully
accuse me of "hating science."

What caused YOUR autism?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:16:18 -0700, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/20/18 2:35 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:25:47 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the very least we are letting it slip.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting you were wrong by claiming some other backwards
>> country was "beating us in space."
>>
>> Nobody is beating us in space. We're the Space Kings.
>>
>
>As noted, they are at least challenging us.

Thanks for admitting you were lying when you falsely claimed someone

was "beating us in space."

And just to rub salt into the wound......

Countries With The Most Commercial Space Launches
Rank Country Number of Commercial Launches
1 United States 202
2 Europe 169
3 Russia 162
4 China 23
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+country+has+the+most+space+launches

Countries With The Most Operational Satellites In Orbit
Country Operational Satellites In Orbit
United States 568
China 177
Russia 133
Japan 56

It's sad you don't even know about your own country.

[Al Czervik]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_of_Switzerland_in_World_War_II

[Al Czervik]

On 9/20/2018 2:25 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."
>>
>
> At the very least we are letting it slip. We are ignoring science in
> general.

You can help by embracing science and selecting a gender.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/20/2018 2:26 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
>>> news:7jr7qd9dem1e0h8ck...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>
>>> The International Space Station was not built by the US, and we
>>> depend on
>>> the rockets of other nations to send people and goods to that facility.
>>
>> And you think that's "beating us in space," when we just sent a Tesla
>> into space and the boosters came back and landed on the launching pad.
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>>
>
> Who is going to get to Mars first?

We're already there. You might want to choose a contemporary news source
for yourself.

[Scout]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
news:g0inuc...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/20/18 2:35 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:26:03 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Baxter
>>>> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@null.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:7jr7qd9dem1e0h8ck...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>>
>>>>> The International Space Station was not built by the US, and we depend
>>>>> on
>>>>> the rockets of other nations to send people and goods to that
>>>>> facility.
>>>>
>>>> And you think that's "beating us in space," when we just sent a Tesla
>>>> into space and the boosters came back and landed on the launching pad.
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who is going to get to Mars first?
>>
>> Do you mean a manned mission? The United States will, of course.
>>
>
> Maybe. When was the last time we went back to the moon even.

When has any other country even sent a man to the moon?

[Scout]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message

news:g0ibrm...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>
>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>> manufacturing, space,
>>
>>
>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>
>
> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-asia-space-race/china.html>

BFD...... So they have finally caught up to were the US and the USSR were in
1966.......

[Scout]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message

news:g0io22...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/20/18 2:35 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:25:47 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the very least we are letting it slip.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting you were wrong by claiming some other backwards
>> country was "beating us in space."
>>
>> Nobody is beating us in space. We're the Space Kings.
>>
>
> As noted, they are at least challenging us. And we have largely given up
> as a nation.

Great, they just recently did what we did way back in 1966.....

Excuse me if I don't find that to be overly impressive.

[Scout]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message

news:g0ihis...@mid.individual.net...

> On 9/20/18 1:03 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:48:06 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/18 12:01 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 08:37:27 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> We're competing with other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not very well. We are being beaten in tech (at least in many areas),
>>>>> manufacturing, space,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who do you imagine is "beating us in space" ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> At the very least China is giving us a run for our money.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that nobody is "beating us in space."
>>
>
> At the very least we are letting it slip. We are ignoring science in
> general. Heck, look how many people (the majority conservatives) who do
> not know what the center of the solar system is,

I bet you don't know what it is.

> who deny man-made global climate change,

Which you can't even prove is a thing.

> who think the Earth is 6000 years old or whatever, etc.

Really? So you think the Earth has always been here?

[Snit]

You have repeatedly shown conservationism, a condition that overlaps
heavily with denial of science, AND you have rejected the CDC doing
scientific studies you fear will go against your biases.

[Snit]

As I said, the Chinese and Russians are giving us a run for our money in
terms of pushing the technology. We, in the US, have just rolled over on
this. We went to the moon in the late '60s and '70s and then just...
stopped (largely). No more moon trips. No more pushing to Mars. And we
have a large part of the country which deeply ignorant on basic science
questions.

Heck, what do YOU think is the center of the solar system? Without doing
research I doubt you even know, nor do you likely know why this type of
understanding is important to understanding modern findings.

Heck, can you even describe where -- visually -- the standard deviation
is on standard bell curve? This is more math than science, but it
overlaps and is so trivial a grade school student can understand it...
but most adults in this country have no clue.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:29:31 -0700, Snit

And you repeatedly lie.

So how's ahead here?

LOL

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:32:52 -0700, Snit

As I said, I caught you lying!

LOL

[Snit]

Read Max's definition of trolling. :)

[Snit]

If Max it to be consistent he will surely call out such posts of yours
(and most of your other ones) as trolling.

I bet he will do no such thing.

The real issue: you guys loath the fact I want evidence-based policies.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:16:23 -0700, Snit

You know what a troll is already.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:17:34 -0700, Snit

Your lying has nothing to do with Max.

[Snit]

>> If Max it to be consistent he will surely call out such posts of yours (and most of your other ones) as trolling.
>>
>> I bet he will do no such thing.
>>
>> The real issue: you guys loath the fact I want evidence-based policies.
>

> Your lying has nothing to do with Max.
>

Once again, if Max is to be consistent he would be jumping in and noting
your snipping of content and then posting attacks is clearly and
unambiguously "trolling". He will not.

Remember: my focus here is a simple one -- I support evidence based
policies AND the research that helps us to be able to do that. I have no
sympathy for those of you who reject research because you fear the
results will not back your biases.

My view: if the results do not back whatever biases I have then I should
change my view. Now this does not mean to change your view back and
forth and blindly trust any one study, or even any one group of
researches. Trust in the peer-review and scientific process and know
that our best knowledge comes from it.

[Snit]

On 9/24/18 4:43 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

Sure... I am just noting Max has made it clear he also knows you are
trolling.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 08:38:26 -0700, Snit

So stop being one.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 08:16:28 -0700, Snit

>Once again, if Max [..]

We're not talking about Max.

We're talking about your constant lying.

[Snit]

Ah, once again your post fit Max's definition of trolling.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:52:34 -0700, Snit

>Ah, once again your post fit Max[..]

Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
hand, which was your lie.

[Snit]

I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy. But funny how
Max has not jumped in to note your trolling posts. Almost like he is
biased. LOL!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>> hand, which was your lie.
>>
>
>I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.

That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:

You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
I proved you wrong.
You started babbling about Max.

That about cover it?

[Snit]

They are giving us a run for our money as we sit on our hands and do not
push ourselves as we should. No shuttle replacement. No going to the
moon. Our focus on science in general is horrid, as shown by your ignorance.

[Al Czervik]

On 9/24/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/24/18 5:17 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>>>> hand, which was your lie.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>>
>> That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:
>>
>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>> I proved you wrong.
>> You started babbling about Max.
>>
>> That about cover it?
>>
>
> They are giving us a run for our money as we sit on our hands

Trump will have a Space Force. You will not be invited but can cheer
from the sidelines.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:58:33 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/24/18 5:17 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>>>> hand, which was your lie.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>>
>> That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:
>>
>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>> I proved you wrong.
>> You started babbling about Max.
>>
>> That about cover it?
>>
>

>They are giving us a ru[..]

Once again.

You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
I proved you wrong.
You started babbling about Max.

I see you need things repeated before you can understand them. Very
well.

[Snit]

He promised us Mars and then gave us a new wing of the military. That is
a part of the problem.

[Snit]

You snip that which you fear. Fair enough.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:43:31 -0700, Snit
<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/24/18 9:50 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> On 9/24/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/24/18 5:17 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>>>>>> hand, which was your lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>>>>
>>>> That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:
>>>>
>>>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>>>> I proved you wrong.
>>>> You started babbling about Max.
>>>>
>>>> That about cover it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They are giving us a run for our money as we sit on our hands
>>
>> Trump will have a Space Force. You will not be invited but can cheer
>> from the sidelines.

>He promised us Mars and then gave us a new wing of the military. That is
>a part of the problem.

Liberals are going to want to be protected when they go to Mars.
They're not knows for personal responsibility, you know.

And-- while Trump SUGGESTED the creation of a Space Force, we do not
have a Space Force, therefore you are--once again-- lying when you
claim Trump "gave us a new wing of the military."

And-- Trump did not "promise us Mars." Everybody knows we'll
eventually get to Mars, because we're the USA, and it's the kind of
thing we do.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:49:42 -0700, Snit

<use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>On 9/25/18 3:57 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:58:33 -0700, Snit
>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/24/18 5:17 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>>>>>> hand, which was your lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>>>>
>>>> That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:
>>>>
>>>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>>>> I proved you wrong.
>>>> You started babbling about Max.
>>>>
>>>> That about cover it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They are giving us a ru[..]
>>
>> Once again.
>>
>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>> I proved you wrong.
>> You started babbling about Max.
>>
>> I see you need things repeated before you can understand them. Very
>> well.
>>
>

>You snip that [..]

...stuff where you engage in your usual trollish behavior, trying to
deflect the FACT that I pointed out your lie.

Why don't you just admit that you lied, that I caught you, and move
on?

That's what a man would do.

[Bill Shatzer]

Al Czervik wrote:

> Trump will have a Space Force.

Well, Donald is a bit of a Space Cadet.

peace and justice

[Al Czervik]

On 9/25/2018 6:43 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/24/18 9:50 PM, Al Czervik wrote:
>> On 9/24/2018 7:58 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/24/18 5:17 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:04:09 -0700, Snit
>>>> <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you're desperately trying to stray from the subject at
>>>>>> hand, which was your lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also not talking about unicorns or the tooth fairy.
>>>>
>>>> That's a real improvement for you. So, to sum up:
>>>>
>>>> You attempted to claim other countries were beating us in space.
>>>> I proved you wrong.
>>>> You started babbling about Max.
>>>>
>>>> That about cover it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They are giving us a run for our money as we sit on our hands
>>
>> Trump will have a Space Force. You will not be invited but can cheer
>> from the sidelines.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> https://www.avg.com
>>
>
> He promised us Mars and then gave us a new wing of the military. That is
> a part of the problem.

He does it to piss you off.

[Snit]

He did it because he is deeply incompetent. Even his own party knows it.