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Jon
Nov 12, 2011, 4:25:12 PM11/12/11
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String theory attempts to unify Newtonian physics with Quantum Mechanics.
They claim this is possible by replacing particles with small loops of
string that vibrate. As a result they have deduced that the universe
operates in 11 dimensions. Their Unified Theory of Everything seems to have
jumped the hurdle. It can predict the influence of the subatomic world on
the astronomical world, and vice versa.
In my opinion they are wrong.
They claim this is possible by replacing particles with small loops of
string that vibrate. As a result they have deduced that the universe
operates in 11 dimensions. Their Unified Theory of Everything seems to have
jumped the hurdle. It can predict the influence of the subatomic world on
the astronomical world, and vice versa.
In my opinion they are wrong.
Jens Stuckelberger
Nov 12, 2011, 4:41:28 PM11/12/11
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:25:12 -0500, Jon wrote:
> In my opinion they are wrong.
Jolly good! Opinions are like assholes: Everybody's got one.
> In my opinion they are wrong.
Marvin the Martian
Nov 12, 2011, 8:14:05 PM11/12/11
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Marvin the Martian
Nov 12, 2011, 8:13:28 PM11/12/11
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:25:12 -0500, Jon wrote:
> String theory attempts to unify Newtonian physics with Quantum
> Mechanics.
Quantum mechanics and Newtonian physics were already consistent in the
> Mechanics.
case of very large quantum numbers. It is called the correspondence
principle. No "string theory" needed.
String theory is more of a mental masturbation - sort of like Einstein's
"hidden variable" nonsense. Perhaps you mean that string theory is a
(lame, dumb ass) attempt explain Quantum effects in a deterministic way,
like classical mechanics, rather than as a statistical theory.
Existential Angst
Nov 13, 2011, 9:15:54 AM11/13/11
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"Marvin the Martian" <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote in message
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String Theory was invented so Michio Kaku could work even less than he was
before (6 hrs/week?), AND make a pisspot full of money.
And get a face-lift, of course.
And have groupies.....
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before (6 hrs/week?), AND make a pisspot full of money.
And get a face-lift, of course.
And have groupies.....
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jim
Nov 13, 2011, 10:21:49 AM11/13/11
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On Nov 13, 9:15 am, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Marvin the Martian" <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote in messagenews:vKudnUAXU98lhCLT...@giganews.com...
Well, those people are the perfect example of the scientific fact
that when the only thing you know about science is recursion theory
the only company that is going to hire you is PBS, since even
CBS knows more about television than cable, and even GE
knows more about patents than GM Dealers in Chapter 12.
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> "Marvin the Martian" <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote in messagenews:vKudnUAXU98lhCLT...@giganews.com...
that when the only thing you know about science is recursion theory
the only company that is going to hire you is PBS, since even
CBS knows more about television than cable, and even GE
knows more about patents than GM Dealers in Chapter 12.
> --
> EA
Existential Angst
Nov 13, 2011, 2:26:06 PM11/13/11
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> In <4ebfd126$0$28396$607e...@cv.net>, on 11/13/2011
Not very successfully, apparently.
>
>>(6 hrs/week?)
>
> I'd guess 60; it might be more.
Preening dudn't count.
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> In <4ebfd126$0$28396$607e...@cv.net>, on 11/13/2011
> at 09:15 AM, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> said:
>
>>String Theory was invented so Michio Kaku could work even less than
>>he was before
>
> Who used the time machine?
>
>>String Theory was invented so Michio Kaku could work even less than
>>he was before
>
Not very successfully, apparently.
>
>>(6 hrs/week?)
>
> I'd guess 60; it might be more.
Preening dudn't count.
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You're showing your ignorance.
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Nov 13, 2011, 7:11:52 PM11/13/11
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attached! :-)
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 14, 2011, 8:59:21 PM11/14/11
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the original stringtheory was Kaluza-Klein, although
Klein added nothing to the theory but
the silly string metaphor. (I'm not sure, if
this was the famous F. Klein of the Erlanger Program.)
of course, no-one attacks this "5d" theory, because
it is totally mainstream emandation of Maxwell's ****,
tha main problem being to consider
that "time is a dimension," whereas it is clear that
time is that in which dimensions may be percieved, and
"spacetime" is nothing but a simple phase-space formalism,
given over to lightconeheads like Kaku (his radio program,
though, can be good .-)
thus:
I can only use tripolars,
plus a "coordinate" for time, which is easily transformed
into quaternions (time is the "real" scalar;
space is the three "pure imaginaries" .-)
thus:
I have repeatedly related the apparent fact that
both of the largest icesheets on Eaaarth have only risen in heighth,
since the recordings began. so far, all I've gotten is a bland
assertion,
that calving at the edges & receding glaciers are supposed *prima
facie* to mean that Antarctica and Greenland are melting,
which of course is true. won one for the Gipper!??
I am not, though, asserting that humans are not by-far the greatest
influence on the God-am weather. however,
many of the activities that *create* CO2 (and water vapor,
naturally) are mor important than the #2 glass house gas, itself,
such as deforestation at the bases of glaciers.
6. http://21stcenturysciencetech.com,
by far the best general interest science mag in English, although
not without many faults; after all,
there is a lot of original research, not just graphics-induced pablum
a la Scientific American. (you can find the INQUA article,
there, e.g. .-)
Klein added nothing to the theory but
the silly string metaphor. (I'm not sure, if
this was the famous F. Klein of the Erlanger Program.)
of course, no-one attacks this "5d" theory, because
it is totally mainstream emandation of Maxwell's ****,
tha main problem being to consider
that "time is a dimension," whereas it is clear that
time is that in which dimensions may be percieved, and
"spacetime" is nothing but a simple phase-space formalism,
given over to lightconeheads like Kaku (his radio program,
though, can be good .-)
thus:
I can only use tripolars,
plus a "coordinate" for time, which is easily transformed
into quaternions (time is the "real" scalar;
space is the three "pure imaginaries" .-)
thus:
I have repeatedly related the apparent fact that
both of the largest icesheets on Eaaarth have only risen in heighth,
since the recordings began. so far, all I've gotten is a bland
assertion,
that calving at the edges & receding glaciers are supposed *prima
facie* to mean that Antarctica and Greenland are melting,
which of course is true. won one for the Gipper!??
I am not, though, asserting that humans are not by-far the greatest
influence on the God-am weather. however,
many of the activities that *create* CO2 (and water vapor,
naturally) are mor important than the #2 glass house gas, itself,
such as deforestation at the bases of glaciers.
6. http://21stcenturysciencetech.com,
by far the best general interest science mag in English, although
not without many faults; after all,
there is a lot of original research, not just graphics-induced pablum
a la Scientific American. (you can find the INQUA article,
there, e.g. .-)
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 15, 2011, 12:01:16 AM11/15/11
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NB, don't confuse "hidden variables" with the "compactness"
of Klein et al in theoies with more than 3 spatial dimensions,
although they might be interpreted as hidden variables ... well,
it might really amount to the same thing, but
they just haven't found a suitable geometrical form,
to make the other seven dimensions of strings,
the same as the three of fermatian (descartesian) coordinates
(or tripolars .-)
of Klein et al in theoies with more than 3 spatial dimensions,
although they might be interpreted as hidden variables ... well,
it might really amount to the same thing, but
they just haven't found a suitable geometrical form,
to make the other seven dimensions of strings,
the same as the three of fermatian (descartesian) coordinates
(or tripolars .-)
Existential Angst
Nov 15, 2011, 1:28:56 AM11/15/11
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"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
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> In <4ec019da$0$28384$607e...@cv.net>, on 11/13/2011
> at 02:26 PM, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> said:
>
>>Not very successfully, apparently.
>
> Whoosh!
>
>>Preening dudn't count.
>
> Are you really that dumb? He couldn't have published everything he did
> in only 6 hours/day.
He was proly a relatively fast typist.
Get it? Relatively??
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> *PLONK*
Existential Angst
Nov 15, 2011, 2:12:37 AM11/15/11
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teeth, a face lift et al, and groupies of his choice -- hopefully from Ivy
League schools, even tho City College is not.... LOL
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> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
> message news:4ec1451c$3$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
>> In <4ec019da$0$28384$607e...@cv.net>, on 11/13/2011
>> at 02:26 PM, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> said:
>>
>>>Not very successfully, apparently.
>>
>> Whoosh!
>>
>>>Preening dudn't count.
>>
>> Are you really that dumb? He couldn't have published everything he did
>> in only 6 hours/day.
>
> He was proly a relatively fast typist.
> Get it? Relatively??
But no matter..... the really important thing is that Kaku now has new
> message news:4ec1451c$3$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
>> In <4ec019da$0$28384$607e...@cv.net>, on 11/13/2011
>> at 02:26 PM, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> said:
>>
>>>Not very successfully, apparently.
>>
>> Whoosh!
>>
>>>Preening dudn't count.
>>
>> Are you really that dumb? He couldn't have published everything he did
>> in only 6 hours/day.
>
> He was proly a relatively fast typist.
> Get it? Relatively??
teeth, a face lift et al, and groupies of his choice -- hopefully from Ivy
League schools, even tho City College is not.... LOL
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Yousuf Khan
Nov 15, 2011, 2:18:50 AM11/15/11
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concept of higher dimensions beyond the 4 we currently know about.
Yousuf Khan
Existential Angst
Nov 15, 2011, 2:28:08 AM11/15/11
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How bout all that ejaculate from Kaku, that's stuck in everyone's hair?
It's a bitch to get that stuff out.
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> Yousuf Khan
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It's a bitch to get that stuff out.
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> Yousuf Khan
Existential Angst
Nov 15, 2011, 10:12:00 AM11/15/11
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"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
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> In <4ec2125a$1...@news.bnb-lp.com>, on 11/15/2011
> at 02:18 AM, Yousuf Khan <bbb...@spammenot.yahoo.com> said:
>
>>I don't think a lot will survive from String theory, other than the
>>concept of higher dimensions beyond the 4 we currently know about.
>
> That precedes String Theory by decades, and many books on the subject
>
>>I don't think a lot will survive from String theory, other than the
>>concept of higher dimensions beyond the 4 we currently know about.
>
> explictly mention the Kaluza-Klein theory. But Jon got it wrong;
> String Theory does not attempt to "unify Newtonian physics with
> Quantum Mechanics." Also, the required dimensionality of Space-Time is
> different in different string theories.
No surprise, eh? If it don't fit, use a hammer....
Funny thing is, I'll bet half these effing String Theorists can't solve
undergrad problems in classical mechanics.
Think Bogdanov: Bros: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_Affair
Then check out their chins:
http://www.celebrityplasticsurgery.tv/the-mad-scientist-bogdanoff-brothers
Then go back to String Theory.
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Marvin the Martian
Nov 15, 2011, 11:15:03 AM11/15/11
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we cannot detect even in principle. Sounds pretty "hidden".
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 16, 2011, 2:33:31 AM11/16/11
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that's what I'm saying; it is just a mathematical formalism,
to insist that the other seven or eight dimensions
are "compactified," ever since Klein's diktat. I mean,
it seems awfully likely that it was Felix K.,
who certainly was a fine geometer.
the general subject is Calubi-Yau,
Yau having solved a conjecture of Calubi, so that
there are these abstract, 6-dimensional C-Y manifolds,
associated with "spacetime," the underlaying obfuscation.
(time is not a dimension!)
to insist that the other seven or eight dimensions
are "compactified," ever since Klein's diktat. I mean,
it seems awfully likely that it was Felix K.,
who certainly was a fine geometer.
the general subject is Calubi-Yau,
Yau having solved a conjecture of Calubi, so that
there are these abstract, 6-dimensional C-Y manifolds,
associated with "spacetime," the underlaying obfuscation.
(time is not a dimension!)
G=EMC^2
Nov 17, 2011, 8:22:53 AM11/17/11
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On Nov 16, 2:33 am, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
If you watched NOVA Greene time is a very important dimension.
Einstein thought time was more important than space. I think they are
equal. How can you leave time out? TreBert
wrote:
Einstein thought time was more important than space. I think they are
equal. How can you leave time out? TreBert
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 17, 2011, 8:46:10 PM11/17/11
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string theory gets rid of a horrible formalism of Feynman,
the bongo artiste.
the bongo artiste.
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 18, 2011, 8:13:55 PM11/18/11
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I am not "leaving time out;"
without time, nothing happens, "period-
ically." in particular,
sentient beings do not cognize of *peristalsis occureth*
... although it's still a great relief.
most phase-spaces include time, but not all of them,
such as in electronics. clearly,
the concept of a one-to-one function
in "descartesian" space is remeniscent of time, since
there is no "travelling" backwards;
travel takes time!
without time, nothing happens, "period-
ically." in particular,
sentient beings do not cognize of *peristalsis occureth*
... although it's still a great relief.
most phase-spaces include time, but not all of them,
such as in electronics. clearly,
the concept of a one-to-one function
in "descartesian" space is remeniscent of time, since
there is no "travelling" backwards;
travel takes time!
J. Clarke
Nov 21, 2011, 1:09:05 PM11/21/11
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In article <b8adnbkXSfDZeSPT...@earthlink.com>,
intr...@bellaire.tv says...
And one should care about your opinion because?
intr...@bellaire.tv says...
1treePetrifiedForestLane
Nov 22, 2011, 1:24:19 PM11/22/11
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no; that was astrology, not astrogation.
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