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Apr 11, 2014, 5:54:34 PM4/11/14
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Death by solar farms: 71 species of birds killed, ‘entire
food chains’ disrupted

By Douglas Ernst
The Washington Times
Friday, April 11, 2014

A new report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service finds
that solar facilities in California are acting like “mega
traps” that kill and injure birds. As a result, “entire
food chains” are being disrupted. 

USFWS’s National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory
studied three solar farms in Southern California: Desert
Sunlight, Genesis Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric
Generating System (ISEGS). Two-hundred and thirty-three
different birds from 71 species were found over the
course of a two-year study.

The three main causes of death were:

1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.

2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds’ wings are
rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash
into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured
badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.

3. Predators: When a bird’s wings are singed and it can
not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against
animals like foxes and coyotes.

Hummingbirds, swifts, swallows, doves, hawks, finches,
warblers and owls were just some dead birds found at the
solar facilities’ “equal opportunity” mortality hazards.

Continues at:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/death-calif-solar-farms-71-species-bird-found-enti/

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

hanson

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Apr 11, 2014, 6:17:33 PM4/11/14
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hanson wrote:
This enviro assassination of birds is merely a new
ploy that went on 15+ years ago near San Francisco
and was settled when the ARAs got $ 800 for each
dead bird. So much for the saving the planet by the
various hordes of Green Turds. .... ROTFLMAO


Bob F

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Apr 11, 2014, 10:13:54 PM4/11/14
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BeamMeUpScotty

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Apr 11, 2014, 11:05:44 PM4/11/14
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"There is weak evidence for declines in tortoise density directly
associated with grazing, ""]


But solar electric plants kill the desert tortoise...

http://www.blm.gov/ca/pdfs/cdd_pdfs/dta.pdf


R Kym Horsell

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Apr 11, 2014, 11:32:32 PM4/11/14
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In sci.environment Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hanson wrote:
>> Dr ty. Jai Stevens Maharaj)> wrote:
>>> Death by solar farms: 71 species of birds killed, ^Qentire
>>> food chains^R disrupted
>>> By Douglas Ernst
>>> The Washington Times
>>> Friday, April 11, 2014
>>> A new report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service finds
>>> that solar facilities in California are acting like ^Smega
>>> traps^T that kill and injure birds. As a result, ^Sentire
>>> food chains^T are being disrupted.
>>> USFWS^Rs National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory
>>> studied three solar farms in Southern California: Desert
>>> Sunlight, Genesis Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric
>>> Generating System (ISEGS). Two-hundred and thirty-three
>>> different birds from 71 species were found over the
>>> course of a two-year study.
>>> The three main causes of death were:
>>> 1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.
>>> 2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds^R wings are
>>> rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash
>>> into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured
>>> badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.
>>> 3. Predators: When a bird^Rs wings are singed and it can
>>> not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against
>>> animals like foxes and coyotes.
>>> Hummingbirds, swifts, swallows, doves, hawks, finches,
>>> warblers and owls were just some dead birds found at the
>>> solar facilities^R ^Sequal opportunity^T mortality hazards.
>>> Continues at:
>>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/death-calif-solar-farms-71
>> hanson wrote:
>> This enviro assassination of birds is merely a new
>> ploy that went on 15+ years ago near San Francisco
>> and was settled when the ARAs got $ 800 for each
>> dead bird. So much for the saving the planet by the
>> various hordes of Green Turds. .... ROTFLMAO
> Of course, it is piddling compared to the birds killed by peoples pet cats.
...

Which is piddling compared to the number of birds killed for human
consumption, let alone as a byproduct of some form of entertainment.


I saw a QI recently where they flahsed up a photo of
a typical American family with the 2.5 kids and a golden retriever
and 2 family 4x4s.

Q: what is the quickest legal way for this family to reduce their cabon
footprint?

A: get rid of the family dog -- it's meat eating is equivalent
to the 2 4x4's.

Yep. We all know we're coming down to a scrabble for resources.
It's them or us. And we choose to toss the domestic animals into
the fire because -- face it -- it's the easy thing to do and we're all about
easy.

That's how we got to this point, isn't it?

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Bob F

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Apr 12, 2014, 12:02:15 AM4/12/14
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Really? As far as I could find, the word solar is not in your reference.


benj

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Apr 12, 2014, 12:43:33 AM4/12/14
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How obvious is this to anyone with a brain? A gigantic array of
concentrating mirrors creating a vast area of bird death rays!

This is the PERFECT compliment to wind farm bird choppers. This is what
happens when lib "greens" are allowed in influence public policy. Things
like "quantity" or practical results are something none of them understand.

They think the solution to the world's problems lies in their fantasies
and the 18th century science which is at the limit of their comprehension.

So the greens scream and lie and scream some more until their fantasies
are policy and then the world finds out what morons they all are! But
they don't take blame, by then they are on to a new fantasy!

A few birds have problems with DDT and a nice "green" book gets it
banned because everyone wants to be "politically correct", right? You
had better do what greens say or they will ridicule you and call you
stupid! You don't want that, do you? So people get bullied not just into
nonsense, but into actual murder of children, like those dead from
malaria thanks to murdering greens. Not a peep from them about their fail.

Or how about that great "green" idea of burning food! They called it
"renewable energy" Africa called it dead and starving children due to a
doubling of corn prices that because of the green laws could NOT be
reversed. Good going libs!

Did I ever tell you to NEVER let libs attempt to do science of set
public policy. and for God's sake NEVER EVER LET THEM SET PUBLIC SCIENCE
POLICY. (does "climate change" ring a bell?)






Tom Miller

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Apr 12, 2014, 12:49:09 AM4/12/14
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"benj" <no...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Vv32v.44014$Fj3....@fx09.iad...
Don't forget the green MTBE fiasco and all the ground water poisoned because
of it.
The ethanol gig is the same thing all over again.



Surfer

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Apr 12, 2014, 12:10:27 PM4/12/14
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:43:33 -0400, benj <no...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/death-calif-solar-farms-71-species-bird-found-enti/
>
>How obvious is this to anyone with a brain? A gigantic array of
>concentrating mirrors creating a vast area of bird death rays!
>

This says cats kill between 14 billion and 37 billion birds a year...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/outdoor-cats-kill-between-14-billion-and-37-billion-birds-a-year-study-says/2013/01/31/2504f744-6bbe-11e2-ada0-5ca5fa7ebe79_story.html


benj

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Apr 12, 2014, 3:39:32 PM4/12/14
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So are they rare and endangered birds or are they stupid starlings,
grackles and sparrows that NEED killing? Last year government agents
poisoned 1.7 million starlings and it was like pissing in the ocean to
raise the sea level!

Quantity is not something Libs can understand. "if just ONE bird is
saved, it's worth doing!"





Wally W.

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Apr 12, 2014, 3:51:58 PM4/12/14
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They do blow things out of proportion with their black-and-white
thinking.

Sea level rose by millimeters over decades. So greenies pounce with
the catastrophized declaration: Sea level is rising!

Couple rising sea level with "the sky is falling," and whatever shall
we do?

Why are warmophobes so afraid of change? Isn't that their criticism of
conservatives? Didn't liberals elect a president who promised an
undefined "change?"

Why do they have an irrational fear of slight warming?

Aren't journalists supposed to have bullshit filters? Why does MSM
continue to parrot the greenie agenda?

benj

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Apr 12, 2014, 4:43:06 PM4/12/14
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Haven't been any journalists around for decades. Now they all have truth
filters. Their high paid job is to "spin" truth to make it fit the
agenda they are paid to promote.


gyans...@gmail.com

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Apr 12, 2014, 8:50:54 PM4/12/14
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Well I suppose it's on average, but the cats I have rarely manage to catch birds. They do catch a lot of Rats however and mice. They're just not fast enough for most birds unless they fall out of the nest.

hanson

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Apr 13, 2014, 12:05:27 AM4/13/14
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"R Kym Horsell" <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
> Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hanson wrote:
>
>>>> Dr ty. Jai Stevens Maharaj wrote:
>>>> By Douglas Ernst, -- Washington Times
>>>> A new report by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service finds
>>>> that solar facilities in California are acting like Smegma
>>>> traps that kill and injure birds. As a result, entire
>>>> food chains are being disrupted.
>>>> Three solar farms in SoCal Desert Sunlight, Genesis
>>>> Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System
>>>> (ISEGS). 233 different birds from 71 species were
>>>> found. The three main causes of death were:
>
>>>> 1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.
>>>> 2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds wings are
>>>> rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash
>>>> into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured
>>>> badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.
>>>> 3. Predators: When a bird's wings are singed and it can
>>>> not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against
>>>> animals like foxes and coyotes.
>>>> solar facilities' are equal opportunity mortality hazards.
>>>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/death-calif-solar-farms-71
>
>>> hanson wrote:
>>> This enviro assassination of birds is merely a new
>>> ploy that went on 15+ years ago near San Francisco
>>> and was settled when the ARAs got $ 800 for each
>>> dead bird. So much for the saving the planet by the
>>> various hordes of Green Turds. .... ROTFLMAO
> ...
Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Of course, it is piddling compared to
>> the birds that get killed by peoples pet cats.

"R Kym Horsell"wrote:
> Which is piddling compared to the number of birds killed
> for human consumption, let alone as a byproduct of some
> form of entertainment.
>
hanson wrote:
Right. Maybe it's evolutionary karma, Horsey. There was
a time when our evolutionary forbearers were staple food
for small or young carnivorous dinosaurs. Now 65MY
later the cosmic pendulum has swung the other way and
we breed'en with a vengeance to eat'em by the billions each
year... in part for entertainment. Cool to be on that side!
>
"R Kym Horsell"wrote:
> I saw a QI recently where they flahsed up a photo of
> a typical American family with the 2.5 kids and a golden
> retriever and 2 family 4x4s-[cars].
> Q: what is the quickest legal way for this family to reduce
> their cabon footprint?
> A: get rid of the family dog -- it's meat eating is equivalent
> to the 2 4x4's.
> Yep. It's them or us. And we choose to toss the domestic
> animals into the fire ....
>
hanson wrote:
Horsey, you just posted extremely emotional tripe.... ahahaha...
The ARAs and the PETAters will come after you with extreme
prejudice for your suggestion to go Vietnamese on their mutts.
>
All that is a bagatelle when compared to the good old days,
when animals were eaten , not as/like "buffalo-wings", but for
real entertainment like in old Nairobi or Zanzibar when/where
you prepped for a Safari with a dinner, that began with booze,
>
after which you were seated at a round table which had a hole
in the middle, out of which sprang the upper half of the head
of a chimpanzee. ... With great Shakespearian cape waving
entered the Master of ceremonies, carrying a WWI saber
that he swung swiftly across the table and then lifted the warm
pulsing "brain in the skull", passed it around and encouraged
every guest to spoon out a few bites...

For some reason all attending women got invariably extremely
horny over that spectacle. "Different strokes", I'd say... ahahaha..
>
That entertainment stopped when Jane Goodall showed that
apes were like "us", & did the same thing amongst themselves,
sans cutlery.... which promted the Enviro-Green Shits to bring
on lots of vaginization and wussification. Mais c'est la vie.
>
"R Kym Horsell"wrote:
> face it --c [to toss the domestic animals into the fire] ....
> is the easy thing to do and we're all about easy.
> We all know we're coming down to a scrabble for
> resources. That's how we got to this point, isn't it?

hanson wrote:
Horsey, if your "scrabble" is to "scrape or scratch at
something with small, hurried movements of the fingers,
toes, or claws", then you have fallen victim to the brain-
washing by the Green Turds...
>
Ever since after WII's "Green revolution" the world swims
in vast excesses of food and energy. The problem is with
the political and ideological wars that are waged over it's
distribution.... and worse, the profit motives of the so-called
humanitarian Help/Aid organizations whose phony charities
are only tax dodging tools used by Brad Guth's Oligarchs...
.


Spac...@hotmail.com

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there are no "holes in the ozonosphere
;Antarctic coast is the best place to observe the "green flash
(on the spring solistice

dav...@agent.com

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R Kym Horsell <k...@kymhorsell.com> wrote:

>In sci.environment Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> Of course, it is piddling compared to the birds killed by peoples pet cats.
>...
>
>Which is piddling compared to the number of birds killed for human
>consumption, let alone as a byproduct of some form of entertainment.
>
>[...]
>Yep. We all know we're coming down to a scrabble for resources.
>It's them or us. And we choose to toss the domestic animals into
>the fire because -- face it -- it's the easy thing to do and we're all about
>easy.
>That's how we got to this point, isn't it?

We need to increase the death rate, by stopping the prevention of
measles, mumps, chicken pox, influenza, malaria, & tuberculosis,
OUT OF FAIRNESS TO OTHER CREATURES & FUTURE GENERATIONS.

Brad Guth

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Apr 18, 2014, 12:56:27 PM4/18/14
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Then we'd best eliminate any lakes or reservoirs, because they too reflect sunlight.

What form(s) of energy are not potentially lethal to one or more species?

benj

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Apr 18, 2014, 1:50:51 PM4/18/14
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On 04/18/2014 12:56 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 2:54:34 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

>> The three main causes of death were:

>> 1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.

> Then we'd best eliminate any lakes or reservoirs, because they too reflect sunlight.
>
> What form(s) of energy are not potentially lethal to one or more species?

Brad have you been talking to Habshi again? You know it is not written
that a person MUST go through life as an idiot. It IS curable!

You will notice that the surface of lakes are curved due to the shape of
the Earth, but unfortunately the sun is on the wrong side of the
curvature to focus the radiation on birds. You and Habshi are still morons.




Brad Guth

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Apr 18, 2014, 2:13:38 PM4/18/14
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All sorts of human derived and/or created energy kills stuff, including a great many innocent humans each and every year.

Do you have an affordable and failsafe energy source that'll provide at least 1 KW for each and every human on Earth?

Actually for these modern times and living large (including stupid wars, greedy insider trading, resource hoarding, corruption and simply butt-loads of wealth disparity, consumption and mistakes), we'll have to make that at least 10 KW/human. So, go right ahead and give us 71 TW that's perfectly failsafe, environment friendly and affordable that wouldn't hurt a flea.

BTW; 71 TW is still a very conservative amount of energy for our needs.











Brad Guth

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Apr 18, 2014, 2:26:03 PM4/18/14
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On Friday, April 11, 2014 2:54:34 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
All sorts of human derived and/or created energy kills stuff, including a great many innocent humans each and every year.

Do you have an affordable and failsafe energy source that'll provide at the very least 1 KW for each and every human on Earth?

Actually for these modern times and living large (including stupid wars, greedy insider trading, resource hoarding, corruption and simply butt-loads of wealth disparity, social/political consumption and mistakes), we'll have to make that energy demand at least 10 KW/human. So, go right ahead and give us 71 TW that's perfectly failsafe, environment friendly and affordable that wouldn't hurt a flea.

BTW; 71 TW is still a very conservative amount of energy for our terrestrial needs, not to even mention the enormous energy consumed on behalf of whatever gets blown to bits, burnt to the ground and simply launched into orbit or sent off to explore other worlds and moons. Perhaps the true all-inclusive energy demand what we humans impose upon our global resources is worthy of near twice as much demand, or 142 TW = 20 KW/human.

benj

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Apr 18, 2014, 2:28:14 PM4/18/14
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I don't have it, but the secret government does. But they don't dare
release the information because then how would they control everyone?

Instead they'd rather just stay in power and let the "useless eaters",
as they call them, die.

Sooner or later (most likely sooner) the house of cards will come
tumbling down.



Odd Bodkin

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Apr 18, 2014, 3:10:44 PM4/18/14
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On 4/18/2014 1:28 PM, benj wrote:
>
> I don't have it, but the secret government does. But they don't dare
> release the information because then how would they control everyone?

If you post using public library computers, you know that the
key-logging software and the security cameras will have you pinned down
for everything you type, right?

Brad Guth

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Apr 18, 2014, 5:12:30 PM4/18/14
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You may have a very good interpretation, as to how ETs have been toying with us.

Actually for these modern times and living large (including stupid wars, greedy insider trading, resource hoarding, corruption and simply butt-loads of wealth disparity, social/political consumption and mistakes), we'll have to make that energy demand at least 10 KW/human. So, go right ahead and give us 71 TW that's perfectly failsafe, environment friendly and affordable that wouldn't hurt a flea.

BTW; 71 TW is still a very conservative amount of energy for our terrestrial needs, not to even mention the enormous energy consumed on behalf of whatever gets blown to bits, burnt to the ground and simply launched into orbit or sent off to explore other worlds and moons. Perhaps the true all-inclusive energy demand what we humans impose upon our global resources is worthy of near twice as much, or 142 TW = 20 KW/human.

Brad Guth

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On Friday, April 11, 2014 2:54:34 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
All sorts of human derived and/or created energy kills stuff, including a great many innocent humans each and every year get to pay the ultimate price because of our energy exploitation, storage, piping, processing, transporting, consumption/usage, terrorism, wars or mistakes.

Do you have an affordable and failsafe energy source that'll provide at the very least 1 KW for each and every human on Earth?

benj

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Apr 18, 2014, 8:05:34 PM4/18/14
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Boinker, when are you ever going to grow a brain? Lessee. President
Obama says NSA (and others) aren't spying on anybody but criminals (That
would be you and me as potential criminals) and they don't listen to
anybody's conversation and they don't even record our names! All they
take down is "metadata" which is supposedly phone numbers and exactly
who and when you called someone. So I guess we don't have to worry! But
then someone told me, (I'm not sure it's true) that there is something
called a "phone book" which can link a person's name and address to
their phone number. Of course unlike you with "identity control" I
happen to be in the mythical "phone book". But I think the phone book
story is all lies put out by whackjob conspiracy theorists!

Of course if our president says that none of our phone calls, emails,
blog surfing, and Usenet posting are not listened to or viewed, we have
to believe him because just as he said global warming is "certain", it
must be certain that nobody is listening to our data... Politicians
never lie, I've been told.

On the other hand, conspiracy theorists tell me that they a just a bit
concerned that NSA is building a huge server farm with one million
square feet of servers and using MORE power than a large city to store
all that "metadata". I find that a bit odd given that a friend of mine
working as a computer consultant for the State for a time was carrying
around not just all the state metadata but ALL THE DATA STORED ON THE
STATE SERVERS on the hard disk in his laptop. So his question is if all
a state government's data can fit on a laptop, and he figures that all
the metadata for the entire country would ALSO fit on his laptop, what
is being stored in that million square feet of (modern) servers?
Something important to national security, I'm sure.

Boinker are you so naive as to think your "identity control" actually
means something? The gumment knows exactly who I am and what I'm up to.
Live with it. I'm not worried because they know I can be bought. So if
you see me start posting that "global warming" is "settled science" you
will know what happened.



benj

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Apr 18, 2014, 8:09:51 PM4/18/14
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Tesla and others have calculated that the energy of the Aether is
virtually limitless. 71 TW is a walk in the park.


Brad Guth

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I'd be willing to consider aether as anti-matter, or at the very least comprised of entangled photons which creates matter and eliminates the speed of light barrier.




hanson

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Apr 19, 2014, 8:37:23 AM4/19/14
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 71 TW is still a very conservative amount of energy
>> > for our terrestrial needs, <snip more crap>
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, [W] stands for Watts. The Watt unit is NOT an energy.
>
Benj wrote:
>> Tesla and others have calculated that the energy of the
>> Aether is virtually limitless. 71 TW is a walk in the park.
>
hanson wrote:
The aether's energy not withstanding, Brad got you snared
into his still-conceived world, in the Park & elsewhere too.
>
Brad wrote:
> I'd be willing to consider aether as anti-matter, or at
> the very least comprised of entangled photons which
> creates matter and eliminates the speed of light barrier.
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, that "free for all" that you are "willing to consider"
above, has support in some quarters of heuristic physics.
Actually your notion is not any wilder then what MANY
professional physicists advocate today.
>
Watch or read what is going in the TV "beyond the Wormhole"
series narrated by actor Morgan Freeman.
<http://www.bing.com/search?q=freeman+wormhole&qs=SC&pq>

wherein you can see notions like yours, that are presented
in the interviews with/of scientist's experiments that show
how QM effects are now routinely observed in the
mole-sized/anthropic macro world, and that Newton's G
is NOT constant , as well as neither the assumed fixed half-life
decay constancy of nuclei, both of which undergo observed
seasonal variations.
>
So, forget the retarded regurgitation of MMXering, Relativity
Dingleberry collecting, Double-Slitting and HUPing all over
since all of them have lead to nowhere.. but keep on swinging
in this new Wild West of Physics.
>
Carry on & start looking for new trails of inquiry, with a new
paradigm in THAT huge chasm that [1] provides since
G has/is always measured on matter-amount-sizes that
are some 23 orders of magnitude larger then the e/m_e
ratio that is measured in the atomic domain:
>
G = ((e/m_e)^2)/(3*(pi()^2)*(a^3)*(N_A)^2) ....... [1]

See how that equilibrium in [1] can be disturbed, in time or
space" and then suggest some experiments that will lead
to new gizmos which now only do exist in Hollywood's sci-fi
scripts.
>
Till then, Brad, keep on with posting your tripe & tunes.
And thanks for the laughs you guys... ahahahahanson.

Brad Guth

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Apr 19, 2014, 11:55:35 AM4/19/14
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How many all-inclusive TW (terawatts) of energy is Earth and our sun required to supply us humans with?

In other words, if all humans were removed from Earth; how many TW of less energy would be produced?

hanson

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:16:32 PM4/19/14
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
How many all-inclusive TW (terawatts) of energy
is Earth and our sun required to supply us humans with?
In other words, if all humans were removed from Earth;
how many TW of less energy would be produced?
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, you are going too feral and you are befucking
yourself. "TW, (single-, multi-, mega- or terawatts)"
are NOT Energy. Google/bing for it and straighten
that out and with it then your tripe. Happy Easter, Brad.


--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

benj

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:52:33 PM4/19/14
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On 04/19/2014 01:16 PM, hanson wrote:

> Hanson did his old Yiddisher street corner dance and sales pitch and scribbled:
> Brad, you are going too feral and you are befucking
> yourself. "TW, (single-, multi-, mega- or terawatts)"
> are NOT Energy. Google/bing for it and straighten that out and with it
> then your tripe. Happy Easter, Brad.

Hey, Hanson, energy or power? Who gives a fuck? Nobody is writing for
IEEE transactions here. The point is made either way.

Leave poor Brad out of your debunking because you need to have more
sympathy for the science-impaired.


benj

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:00:14 PM4/19/14
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Hey, Brad, you are old enough by now to know that humans will use all
the energy they can get their hands on. It's just the way they are.

PS. Please keep calling TW "energy"! It drives Hanson nuts. Tee Hee.

Brad Guth

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Play with semantics or special wordage all you like, because apparently that all you got to offer.

Energy in TW or TWHr can be easily converted into whatever floats your boat. Apparently you are the only one here that hasn't learned how to convert.

How many all-inclusive kw/hr or kwhrs per day does it take to keep spook/mole/FUD-master Hanson going?

Some of my past Jewish clients couldn't survive on much less energy draw than 100 kw/hr (and that's their 24/7 average), especially if you include their spendy transportation, yachts, clothing, fancy meals, offices, homes, art and a fair amount of spendy collectibles they get to have all to themselves, and for the most part as business deductible and/or taxed at less than half of whatever most of us would have to pay. They also have considerable insurance coverage that hardly cost them anything considering how much gets picked by by their companies that keep everything of accounting in limbo, and otherwise they get to milk those policies for their own untaxable worth.

My Jewish clients were never much above the 0.1% upper caste, so you can imagine how the upper .0001% caste must live as large and energy consuming as they please. An oligarch or Bilderberg/Rothschild probably needs a full MW/hr in order to sustain each and everyone of them.





Brad Guth

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:30:53 PM4/19/14
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Hanson never could manage conversions, such as into SI/metric units or those silly BTUs or worse by using Joules and/or calories.

Most of the energy we humans demand is only derived at the average all-inclusive efficiency of well under 20%, because there's so much exploitation and process energy, blowouts and plenty of spent fuel in addition to wastage and simply loads of unaccounted or direct and indirect loss of energy that is never getting accounted for. Perhaps the true all-inclusive energy efficiency for sustaining us humans (including our MIC run Pentagon and those USAF, NASA and SpaceX rockets) is putting us a bit closer to 10%.




hanson

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Jacoby "benj" <no...@gmail.com> is obsessed again with
his habitual mega kikering fixation in that "Jewish shit don't
stink" as see when he & wrote:
>
>> Hanson did his old Yiddisher street corner dance and
>> sales pitch and scribbled:
>> Brad, you are going too feral and you are befucking
>> yourself. "TW, (single-, multi-, mega- or terawatts)"
>> are NOT Energy. Google/bing for it and straighten that
>> out and with it then your tripe. Happy Easter, Brad.
>
Rosenthal/Babylon disciple kike Jacoby wrote:
> Hey, Hanson, energy or power? Who gives a fuck?
> Nobody is writing for IEEE transactions here.
> The point is made either way.
>
> Leave poor Brad out of your debunking because you
> need to have more sympathy for the science-impaired.
>
hanson wrote:
Jacoby, you do follow your script religiously, don' you,
which you do since the end of February 2014 when you
posted that you, Benj, are schizophrenic and that you
"Benj posts crap" on top of you bragging that you are a
creationist who believes in god... and that "all Jews are
intelligent", but "all goyim are morons"....
>
So, the above then is your real reason why you like to see
the goyim to remain "science-impaired". That is a very two
edged sword Ben, because it is kikes like you, amongst
your ilk, who are keeping on with working so very, very hard
at turning
>>
. *** Hitler's Last Curse ***
>>
into becoming a self-filling prophesy, which Hitler did
broadcast just before his demise in 45, in which he said:
>
||||||:: "in a 100 years from now the world will be grateful
||||||:: for what I have started". .. ... 69 down, 31 to go...
>
... excerpted from the eminent Jewish scholar's epic
<http://tinyurl.com/The-HW-Rosenthal-interview-XT>
(1970) wherein he says:
||R:|| We Jews are masters at confusion because we
||R:|| are the ringleaders of the system known as "Mystery
||R:|| Babylon." (in Hebrew Babel means confusion) and
||R:|| we keep you gentiles confused and we Jew make
||R:|| make you belief that == Jewish shit don't stink ==
>
||R:|| Our Jewish beliefs are entirely different from yours.
||R:|| Our Talmud/Nedarim/Kol Nidre = "all vows" allows .
||R:|| us Jews to lie, subvert, cheat the Goyim.
>
||R:|| We Jews have become your task masters & you
||R:|| gentiles are our slaves. We have castrated your
||R:|| society through fear, intimidation & before long
||R:|| we will have complete control of your thinking.
||R:|| It's no secret that we do not respect you gentiles
||R:|| -- all of you are our enemies.
>
Rosenthal is not alone. A generation after him the
same mind set was even more beautifully expressed
by NY Rabbi Ovadia Josef who said in his Oct 2010
sermon:
||OJ:|| "The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews".
||OJ:|| "Gentiles served a divine purpose:
||OJ:|| They will work, they will plow, they will reap.
||OJ:|| We Jews will sit like an effendi, a noble lord, and eat.
||OJ:|| That is why Gentiles were created."
>
>
All that must smell and taste like rose-petals and fine
wine to you,. doesn't it Jacoby...
Mind you though that you, Benj, are a chief contributor to
the fact that the Goyim has CHOSEN the Jews to have
to endure & suffer from his collective, periodic and epic
ass kicking and barbequing, some 35-36 times so far:
<http://tinyurl.com/36-Jewish-holocausts-36-priors> or
. --------- < http://tinyurl.com/kvt867> ----------

hanson

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Brad wrote:
<snip crap>
How many all-inclusive kw/hr or kwhrs per day does it
take to keep spook/mole/FUD-master Hanson going?
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, change your meds. There is no
"spook/mole/FUD-mastering" going on here.
It's elementary physics... so that you can make a
better case for your own notions?.. sheesh!
>
Brad wrote:
Some of my past Jewish clients
>
hanson wrote:
your "past Jewish clients" must have passed on
and away from you for reason that I mentioned in
my concurrent post to BJ's mega kikering.. Duh!
They think that YOU are a moron, Brad. Read it.
>
Brad wrote:
Some of my past Jewish clients couldn't survive on much less
energy draw than 100 kw/hr [[(... ahahaha... it's kWhrs, Brad)]]
especially if you include their spendy stuff... they get to have all
to themselves, and for the most part as business deductible
and/or taxed at less than half of whatever most of us would
have to pay.... because their companies that keep everything
of accounting in limbo, and get to milk those policies for their
own untaxable worth.
>
hanson wrote:
So, Brad why are you railing against me then?
I am not lying to you, nor am I confusing you, nor am I or
have I ever been one of them... about whom you, Brad, were
the very first one to bring into s.p. the eminent Jewish
wherein it says: "these are people we are dealing with"
Go read again. It looks like that you have forgotten that.







hanson

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Apr 19, 2014, 4:18:21 PM4/19/14
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"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip Guth sidestep tango crap> .... but
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, glad to see that you finally got the drift...

Brad Guth

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Apr 19, 2014, 4:38:25 PM4/19/14
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On Saturday, April 19, 2014 1:18:03 PM UTC-7, hanson wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> Some of my past Jewish clients couldn't survive on much less
>
> energy draw than 100 kw/hr [[(... ahahaha... it's kWhrs, Brad)]]
>
> especially if you include their spendy stuff... they get to have all
>
> to themselves, and for the most part as business deductible
>
> and/or taxed at less than half of whatever most of us would
>
> have to pay.... because their companies that keep everything
>
> of accounting in limbo, and get to milk those policies for their
>
> own untaxable worth.
>
> >
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> So, Brad why are you railing against me then?
>
> I am not lying to you, nor am I confusing you, nor am I or
>
> have I ever been one of them... about whom you, Brad, were
>
> the very first one to bring into s.p. the eminent Jewish
>
> scholar's epic
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/The-HW-Rosenthal-interview-XT>
>
> wherein it says: "these are people we are dealing with"
>
> Go read again. It looks like that you have forgotten that.


So, what sort of energy does Hanson have to offer?

Do you have any failsafe energy that's clean and cheap?

Should we be paying $10/kwhr so that others of your kind get to live large without your ever having to lift a finger?

benj

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:36:53 PM4/19/14
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Hey Kike-Hanson! Do you low Flowers? Take a whiff O' me arse! It's a
daisy... and also doesn't stink!

That is if you can take time out from cobbing Rosenthal's trimmed member...



hanson

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:54:09 PM4/19/14
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Brad wrote:
Some of my past Jewish clients
>
hanson wrote:
your "past Jewish clients" must have passed on
and away from you for reason that I mentioned in
my concurrent post to BJ's mega kikering.. Duh!
They think that YOU are a moron, Brad. Read it.
>
Brad wrote:
Some of my past Jewish clients couldn't survive on much less
energy draw than 100 kw/hr [[(... ahahaha... it's kWhrs, Brad)]]
especially if you include their spendy stuff... they get to have all
to themselves, and for the most part as business deductible
and/or taxed at less than half of whatever most of us would
have to pay.... because their companies that keep everything
of accounting in limbo, and get to milk those policies for their
own untaxable worth.
>
hanson wrote:
So, Brad why are you railing against me then?
I am not lying to you, nor am I confusing you, nor am I or
have I ever been one of them... about whom you, Brad, were
the very first one to bring into s.p. the eminent Jewish
scholar's epic
<http://tinyurl.com/The-HW-Rosenthal-interview-XT>
wherein it says: "these are people we are dealing with"
Go read it again. It looks like that you have forgotten that.
>
Brad made one of his sidestep tangos & wrote:
So, what sort of energy does Hanson have to offer?
>
hanson wrote:
Brad, nobody here "offers any sort of energy", barring the
vanishingly small amount of energy that it takes for you
to send and me to read your tripe.
>
Green/Enviro/Save they Earth posters here, offer their
**emotional opinions** about the types of industrial scale of
energy production that happens, or they wish to see... about
which they do not know jack shot about, expect what their
Pinko-Green talking head on TV tell'em... in a bizarre game
in which the s.p. posters are always on the pained only...
>
But then they curse that they have that currently available
type of energy at their disposal and for their use, but they will
not get off their computers to show that they are serious about
what they advocate... ahahahahaha....
>
To boot, most of the Green shits with their Green loud
mouthing are blown Enviro terrorists who do not know what
they are talking about and have only one goal:
>
To drag productive folks down to their own level of using
food stamps, unemployment- & phony disability benefits.
>
Brad made another one of his sidestep tangos & wrote:
you have any failsafe energy that's clean and cheap?
>
hanson wrote:
There is NO failsafe energy production. If you are not
able to see that then your are not worth talking to.
Same goes for your "clean and cheap"... which now will
cause you to beg for "contributions"... like you always
do, Brad..... ROTFLMAO... ahahahaha...
>
Brad made another one of his sidestep tangos & wrote:
Should we be paying $10/kwhr so that others of your kind
get to live large without your ever having to lift a finger?
>
hanson wrote:
No, we do not and we never will. Think for 2 seconds
& you will see why. I am glad though that you finally are
getting the drift and use the right terminology "kwhr" for
energy. Kudos to you, Brad.

hanson

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Apr 19, 2014, 9:14:28 PM4/19/14
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Because "benj" <no...@gmail.com> posted on/about/since
February 2014 that he, Benj, is schizophrenic and that he,
"Benj posts crap" on top of Benj bragging that he is a creationist
kike who believes in god... and that "all Jews are intelligent", but
"all goyim are morons"...& now Benj insists that Jewish shit don't
stink and that his, "Benj arsehole also doesn't stink!"...
>
hanson wrote:
It is not clear why Jacoby brags now about his coprophilic and
anilingual penchants & yearnings, when nothing of that sort was
mentioned in the post below that BJ responded to:

Brad Guth

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On Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:54:09 PM UTC-7, hanson wrote:

> hanson wrote:
>
> No, we do not and we never will. Think for 2 seconds
>
> & you will see why. I am glad though that you finally are
>
> getting the drift and use the right terminology "kwhr" for
>
> energy. Kudos to you, Brad.
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

In other words, you do not want to help others to better realize or understand anything, just like how you offer one of the most unreadable context formats within Usenet/newsgroups.

hanson

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Brad, don't be just a pitiful pathetic dimwit.
>
I told you less than 24 hrs ago that "you
now will beg for 'contributions" like you always
do, Brad"..... ROTFLMAO... ahahahaha...
>
... and you had to take the bait, and swallow
it, hook, line and sinker..... AHAHAHAHA....
Happy Easter to you, anyways... ahahaha....
>
PS:
Do you wish to see a repost of it?

Brad Guth

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On Friday, April 11, 2014 2:54:34 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Death by solar farms: 71 species of birds killed, 'entire
> food chains' disrupted
>
> By Douglas Ernst
>
> The Washington Times
>
> Friday, April 11, 2014
>
> A new report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service finds
> that solar facilities in California are acting like "mega
> traps" that kill and injure birds. As a result, "entire
> food chains" are being disrupted.
>
>
> USFWS's National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory
> studied three solar farms in Southern California: Desert
> Sunlight, Genesis Solar and Ivanpah Solar Electric
> Generating System (ISEGS). Two-hundred and thirty-three
> different birds from 71 species were found over the
> course of a two-year study.
>
> The three main causes of death were:
>
>
> 1. Solar flux: Exposure to temperatures over 800 degrees F.
>
>
> 2. Impact (or blunt force) trauma: The birds' wings are
> rendered inoperable while flying, causing them to crash
> into the ground. Birds that do not die are often injured
> badly enough to make them vulnerable to predators.
>
>
> 3. Predators: When a bird's wings are singed and it can
> not fly, it loses its primary means of defense against
> animals like foxes and coyotes.
>
>
> Hummingbirds, swifts, swallows, doves, hawks, finches,
> warblers and owls were just some dead birds found at the
> solar facilities' "equal opportunity" mortality hazards.
>
>
> Continues at:
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/death-calif-solar-farms-71-species-bird-found-enti/
>
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

All sorts of human derived and/or artificially created energy kills stuff, including a great many innocent humans, that each and every year get to pay the ultimate price because of our energy exploitation, storage, piping, processing, transporting, consumption/usage, terrorism, wars or just grandiose mistakes.

Do you have an affordable and failsafe energy source that'll provide at the very least 1 KW for each and every human on Earth?

Actually for these modern times and living large (including stupid wars, greedy insider trading, resource hoarding, corruption and simply butt-loads of wealth disparity, social/political consumption and mistakes), we'll have to make that energy demand at least 10 KW/human. So, go right ahead and give us 71 TW that's perfectly failsafe, environment friendly and affordable that wouldn't hurt a flea.

BTW; 71 TW is still a very conservative amount of energy for our all-inclusive terrestrial needs, not to even mention the enormous energy consumed on behalf of whatever gets blown to bits, intentionally and/or accidentally burnt to the ground and simply launched into orbit or sent off to explore other worlds and moons isn't exactly low on the energy consuming scale. Perhaps the true all-inclusive energy demand what we humans impose upon our global resources is worthy of near twice as much, or 142 TW = 20 KWhr/human (roughly a fifth of what some of my clients consume on average).

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