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Sergio
Jun 28, 2016, 12:15:35 AM6/28/16
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Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
without side effects.
A: Please seek immediate medical attention. You may be suffering from
quinine toxicity. Symptoms include abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting,
rash, flushing, fever and fatigue.
Quinine comes from the bark of the cinchona tree. This bitter compound
was used for centuries by the native people of Peru and Bolivia to fight
fevers. Jesuit missionaries brought it back to Europe in the 17th
century as an anti-malarial drug.
Quinine was available in the U.S. in over-the-counter and prescription
products that were used for treating leg cramps. In 1994, the Food and
Drug Administration banned OTC sale of quinine, and in 2007 restricted
prescription quinine exclusively to the treatment of malaria. The agency
took this action because some people have life-threatening responses to
quinine.
FDA: Don't Use Quinine for Leg Cramps
FDA Cracks Down on Unapproved Quinine Drugs, Cites Problems Including Deaths
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
WebMD News Archive
Dec. 12, 2006 -- The FDA is telling people not to use the malaria drug
quinine for leg cramps, citing potentially deadly side effects.
The FDA issued the advice today and ordered all unapproved drugs
containing quinine off the market within 60 days.
Qualaquin, the only FDA-approved quinine drug, can be used to treat
certain types of malaria; the new order doesn't change that.
But quinine is also often prescribed to treat leg cramps. That
unapproved use is too risky, says the FDA.
Quinine carries extensive warnings about possible side effects, including:
Potentially serious interactions with other drugs
Abnormal heart rhythms
Thrombocytopenia, a blood platelet disorder that can cause
hemorrhage or clotting problems
Severe hypersensitivity reactions
Since 1969, the FDA has received 665 reports of serious adverse events
tied to quinine, including 93 deaths.
Quinine has a narrow margin between effective and toxic doses, notes the
FDA.
The doses for Qualaquin have the FDA's approval for treatment of certain
types of malaria. But the FDA hasn't reviewed dosing for unapproved
quinine drugs.
"We believe unapproved quinine products represent a serious health risk
because of the widespread use of this product for treating leg cramps,"
Steven Galson, MD, MPH, says in the FDA news release. Galson directs the
FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.
"Quinine needs to be dosed carefully, and FDA-approved labeling reflects
the fact that the risks associated with the use of this drug for
treatment of leg cramps outweigh the benefits," Galson says.
my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
without side effects.
A: Please seek immediate medical attention. You may be suffering from
quinine toxicity. Symptoms include abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting,
rash, flushing, fever and fatigue.
Quinine comes from the bark of the cinchona tree. This bitter compound
was used for centuries by the native people of Peru and Bolivia to fight
fevers. Jesuit missionaries brought it back to Europe in the 17th
century as an anti-malarial drug.
Quinine was available in the U.S. in over-the-counter and prescription
products that were used for treating leg cramps. In 1994, the Food and
Drug Administration banned OTC sale of quinine, and in 2007 restricted
prescription quinine exclusively to the treatment of malaria. The agency
took this action because some people have life-threatening responses to
quinine.
FDA: Don't Use Quinine for Leg Cramps
FDA Cracks Down on Unapproved Quinine Drugs, Cites Problems Including Deaths
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
WebMD News Archive
Dec. 12, 2006 -- The FDA is telling people not to use the malaria drug
quinine for leg cramps, citing potentially deadly side effects.
The FDA issued the advice today and ordered all unapproved drugs
containing quinine off the market within 60 days.
Qualaquin, the only FDA-approved quinine drug, can be used to treat
certain types of malaria; the new order doesn't change that.
But quinine is also often prescribed to treat leg cramps. That
unapproved use is too risky, says the FDA.
Quinine carries extensive warnings about possible side effects, including:
Potentially serious interactions with other drugs
Abnormal heart rhythms
Thrombocytopenia, a blood platelet disorder that can cause
hemorrhage or clotting problems
Severe hypersensitivity reactions
Since 1969, the FDA has received 665 reports of serious adverse events
tied to quinine, including 93 deaths.
Quinine has a narrow margin between effective and toxic doses, notes the
FDA.
The doses for Qualaquin have the FDA's approval for treatment of certain
types of malaria. But the FDA hasn't reviewed dosing for unapproved
quinine drugs.
"We believe unapproved quinine products represent a serious health risk
because of the widespread use of this product for treating leg cramps,"
Steven Galson, MD, MPH, says in the FDA news release. Galson directs the
FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.
"Quinine needs to be dosed carefully, and FDA-approved labeling reflects
the fact that the risks associated with the use of this drug for
treatment of leg cramps outweigh the benefits," Galson says.
Jack...@hotmail.com
Jun 28, 2016, 2:13:04 PM6/28/16
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:15:27 -0500, Sergio <inv...@invalid.com>
wrote:
>Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
>my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
>cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
>nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
>time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
>without side effects.
>
I used Quinine in tonic waterfor quite a while, but it never helped.
Lately I tried Hyland's Leg Cramp pills, (it's all over Ebay) and it
worked perfectly the first time and for the last three days.
I may try skipping to try to minimize the dose. John P
wrote:
>Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
>my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
>cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
>nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
>time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
>without side effects.
>
Lately I tried Hyland's Leg Cramp pills, (it's all over Ebay) and it
worked perfectly the first time and for the last three days.
I may try skipping to try to minimize the dose. John P
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jun 28, 2016, 2:31:05 PM6/28/16
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Sergio <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
> my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
> cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
> nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
> time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
> without side effects.
Stop adding gin to the tonic.
> Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
> my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
> cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
> nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
> time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
> without side effects.
--
Jim Pennino
hanson
Jun 28, 2016, 5:03:04 PM6/28/16
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<Jack...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
Sergio <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
>>my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
>>cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
>>nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
>>time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
>>without side effects.
>>
>
Sergio <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>Q: I have been suffering with leg cramps for years and years. Recently,
>>my doctor told me about tonic water with quinine. It does help the leg
>>cramps, but it is making me feel ill. My symptoms include fatigue,
>>nausea and vomiting. I have been very tired and want to sleep all the
>>time, which isn't like me. I am desperate to try something that works
>>without side effects.
>>
<Jack...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I used Quinine in tonic waterfor quite a while, but it never helped.
> Lately I tried Hyland's Leg Cramp pills, (it's all over Ebay) and it
> worked perfectly the first time and for the last three days.
> I may try skipping to try to minimize the dose. John P
>
hanson wrote:
> I used Quinine in tonic waterfor quite a while, but it never helped.
> Lately I tried Hyland's Leg Cramp pills, (it's all over Ebay) and it
> worked perfectly the first time and for the last three days.
> I may try skipping to try to minimize the dose. John P
>
The quack-establishment stopped prescribing Quinine
for nocturnal Leg Cramps, suddenly, and for unspecified
reasons.
They substituted it with "Ropinolol"..etc, which were
even less effective.
However it appears that chewing 2x250 mg MgO
& 2000 mg K-Gluconate tabs or 1/4 tsp KCl (No-Salt)
in the dinner food (for a few days) will give a leg cramp
free night.
benj
Jun 28, 2016, 7:42:29 PM6/28/16
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while and it sort of helped. But then he gave up on it and last I saw
him he had a bottle of hyland's and said it was working much better.
ClutterFreak
Jun 29, 2016, 2:14:59 AM6/29/16
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:42:18 -0400, benj wrote:
>> hanson wrote:
>> The quack-establishment stopped prescribing Quinine
>> for nocturnal Leg Cramps, suddenly, and for unspecified
>> reasons. They substituted it with "Ropinolol"..etc, which were even less
>> effective.
>> However it appears that chewing 2x250 mg MgO
>> & 2000 mg K-Gluconate tabs or 1/4 tsp KCl (No-Salt)
>> in the dinner food (for a few days) will give a leg cramp free night.
>>
>
> A friend of mine and his wife had cramps and he tried quinine for a
> while and it sort of helped. But then he gave up on it and last I saw
> him he had a bottle of hyland's and said it was working much better.
Huh. The Der Sturmer guy is now prescribing meds for
>> hanson wrote:
>> The quack-establishment stopped prescribing Quinine
>> for nocturnal Leg Cramps, suddenly, and for unspecified
>> reasons. They substituted it with "Ropinolol"..etc, which were even less
>> effective.
>> However it appears that chewing 2x250 mg MgO
>> & 2000 mg K-Gluconate tabs or 1/4 tsp KCl (No-Salt)
>> in the dinner food (for a few days) will give a leg cramp free night.
>>
>
> A friend of mine and his wife had cramps and he tried quinine for a
> while and it sort of helped. But then he gave up on it and last I saw
> him he had a bottle of hyland's and said it was working much better.
us. Tell him Clutter says "shove zinc and relax.
--
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have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
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hanson
Jun 29, 2016, 2:45:55 AM6/29/16
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>>> hanson wrote:
>>> The quack-establishment stopped prescribing Quinine
>>> for nocturnal Leg Cramps, suddenly, and for unspecified
>>> reasons. They substituted it with "Ropinolol"..etc, which
>>> were even less effective.
>>> However it appears that chewing 2x250 mg MgO
>>> & 2000 mg K-Gluconate tabs or 1/4 tsp KCl (No-Salt)
>>> in the dinner food (for a few days) will give a leg cramp free night.
>>>
The parochial Iranian Babadook Muslime Transie Custard
>>> The quack-establishment stopped prescribing Quinine
>>> for nocturnal Leg Cramps, suddenly, and for unspecified
>>> reasons. They substituted it with "Ropinolol"..etc, which
>>> were even less effective.
>>> However it appears that chewing 2x250 mg MgO
>>> & 2000 mg K-Gluconate tabs or 1/4 tsp KCl (No-Salt)
>>> in the dinner food (for a few days) will give a leg cramp free night.
>>>
aka "ClutterFreak" <Clutte...@FakeAddress.com>
aka Mehram Maleki who is a virulent USA hater, proudly
posted her Selfie as <http://tinyurl.com/Maleki-the-TG-Girl>
& is also a troll who said loud & clear, on 19-May-2016,
in "Re: Thou shalt not covet", that
____ "Maleki is talking bullshit"________, which s/he
so did again as seen when s/he needed the criminality
of a deranged Jew, Full Swine Glazier, to make her point,
as seenb when Maldrecki wrote:
"Harlow compared to me, or my father, you're a dolt."
>
USA Patriot "HVAC" <Mr....@gmail.com> aka
Harlow Campbell wrote:
Maybe (that is so) in your shithole country Iran
>
hanson wrote:
Malicious Maldrecki, the Muslime, is Iran's counterpart
to the USA's Jew Full-Swine Bert Glazier who like
Cretin Glazier maintains to know how everything works,
and like kikes Glazier behaves just like a dog that barks
into the night, a distant noise, Maldrecki knows nothing
about.
LOL
>
Megalomaniacal Moron Mehram Custard Maldrecki wrote:
Iran is slowly rising ....
>
hanson wrote:
You're such a Moron, Mehram. You are also rising
after you take a shit. Besides, you are slow on the
uptake. Megalomaniacal & Overmedicated.
Change your meds.
>
Now Mehram, why is it that Moslems flee, by the millions,
into the West that you so hate and rail against?
>
Looks like you are jealous, Maleki, because you can't
come here since you have been on a FBI watch list &
on a TSA no-fly list for your hateful and nefarious
behavior when you visited here some decades back.
>
How many Westerners, even Moslems, do leave the West
and (im)migrate into to Iran?... NONE!... besides losers
and basket cases, like yourself, who then join ISIS
which is another thorn in your side. So much for Islame!
LOL
>
Iran is ancient. It had its apex millennia ago. It rose and
fell like Egypt, Greece & Rome.... never to ascend again,
and stagnate now as a "further running appendage" Duh!
>
Malicious Maldrecki Custard wrote:
USA is slowly on the sharp way down.
>
hanson wrote:
You're such a Malfeasant, Malevolent Moron, Mehram.
If anyone is on a sharp way down its you Maleki
with all your geriatric Maladies that beset you. Pity.
>.
Let Harlow explain to you how & why the USA is, and
will remain the predominant Player on the world stage.
Hint: It renews itself with/by a constant stream of immigrants
from all over the world, unlike Iran that has always been
a closed Theocracy. Duh!
>
reber g=emc^2
Jun 29, 2016, 1:35:52 PM6/29/16
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Jack...@hotmail.com
Jun 29, 2016, 2:49:06 PM6/29/16
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after cramps start. Take one well before bedtime.
ClutterFreak
Jun 29, 2016, 3:15:03 PM6/29/16
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:15:27 -0500, Sergio wrote:
> leg cramps
What do you all mean by "leg cramp" anyway? Do you
mean the uneasiness in legs while in bed or do you
mean actual muscle spasms?
> leg cramps
What do you all mean by "leg cramp" anyway? Do you
mean the uneasiness in legs while in bed or do you
mean actual muscle spasms?
Jack...@hotmail.com
Jun 30, 2016, 6:13:18 PM6/30/16
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accelerating to more muscles, so you better jump on the floor and do
what you can, typically stand on the ball of the foot and force it to
restore 90 degrees.
ClutterFreak
Jun 30, 2016, 9:40:57 PM6/30/16
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:13:04 -0400,
Jack...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The latter.You wake up feeling the first muscle cramping and then
> accelerating to more muscles, so you better jump on the floor and do
> what you can, typically stand on the ball of the foot and force it to
> restore 90 degrees
Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
Jack...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The latter.You wake up feeling the first muscle cramping and then
> accelerating to more muscles, so you better jump on the floor and do
> what you can, typically stand on the ball of the foot and force it to
> restore 90 degrees
tetanus, whatever it is.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jun 30, 2016, 10:01:05 PM6/30/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
> tetanus, whatever it is.
You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
> tetanus, whatever it is.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jun 30, 2016, 10:20:06 PM6/30/16
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ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 9:05:10 AM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>
>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>
>
> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
See a doctor to determine the actual cause and have that treated.
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>
>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>
>
> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
Duh.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 12:22:43 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 05:57:49 -0000,
experimentation Jim.
If I remember right (i.e. this is the part you snip),
what they used for tetanus cases was some poison from
Africa. It came from a plant and would render muscles
inactive. I don't want to dig into it but I think a
tiny bit of that poison (or med) might do wonders for
bad cases of muscle spasm.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>>
>>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>>
>>
>> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
>
> See a doctor to determine the actual cause and have that treated.
>
> Duh.
>
That's what engineers do :) Have a little sense of
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>>
>>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>>
>>
>> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
>
> See a doctor to determine the actual cause and have that treated.
>
> Duh.
>
experimentation Jim.
If I remember right (i.e. this is the part you snip),
what they used for tetanus cases was some poison from
Africa. It came from a plant and would render muscles
inactive. I don't want to dig into it but I think a
tiny bit of that poison (or med) might do wonders for
bad cases of muscle spasm.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 12:46:13 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 05:57:49 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>>>
>>>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
>>
>> See a doctor to determine the actual cause and have that treated.
>>
>> Duh.
>>
>
> That's what engineers do :) Have a little sense of
> experimentation Jim.
>
> If I remember right (i.e. this is the part you snip),
> what they used for tetanus cases was some poison from
> Africa. It came from a plant and would render muscles
> inactive. I don't want to dig into it but I think a
> tiny bit of that poison (or med) might do wonders for
> bad cases of muscle spasm.
How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 05:57:49 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 01:50:00 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Strange thing. Why wouldn't you use the med for
>>>>> tetanus, whatever it is.
>>>>
>>>> You mean other than that would be completely and blazingly stupid?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh well, whatever. You have a better idea?
>>
>> See a doctor to determine the actual cause and have that treated.
>>
>> Duh.
>>
>
> That's what engineers do :) Have a little sense of
> experimentation Jim.
>
> If I remember right (i.e. this is the part you snip),
> what they used for tetanus cases was some poison from
> Africa. It came from a plant and would render muscles
> inactive. I don't want to dig into it but I think a
> tiny bit of that poison (or med) might do wonders for
> bad cases of muscle spasm.
spouting your usual nonsense?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 1:19:18 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
> spouting your usual nonsense?
Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
> spouting your usual nonsense?
others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 1:25:49 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000, >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>
That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
"In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
the patient with curare-like drugs"
The name is curare. A very little amount of it
shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
spasm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>
That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
"In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
the patient with curare-like drugs"
The name is curare. A very little amount of it
shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
spasm.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 1:46:09 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>
> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>
> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
to correct your astonding ignorance.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 1:46:13 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000, >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>>
>
>
> That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
>
> "In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
> the patient with curare-like drugs"
>
> The name is curare. A very little amount of it
> shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
> spasm.
A very little amount of it can kill you, fool, which is why doctors
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000, >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>>
>
>
> That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
>
> "In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
> the patient with curare-like drugs"
>
> The name is curare. A very little amount of it
> shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
> spasm.
only use it in extreme cases and with great care.
Note the phrase "paralyze the patient" and the text that talks about
the necessity for life support when using it.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 1:57:35 PM7/1/16
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must be a safe and effective range in there somewhere
that would only curb the spasm and nothing else.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 2:02:31 PM7/1/16
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degree of dependence on others can deprive you from
discoveries like what I found about Robert Brout :) If
you're so confident of yourself then start from
scratch and do a little thinking before first running
to others.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 3:01:07 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>
>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>
>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>
>
> "Information that is readily available."
Yes.
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>
>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>
>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>
>
> "Information that is readily available."
Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 3:16:06 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:44:22 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000, >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
>>>
>>> "In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
>>> the patient with curare-like drugs"
>>>
>>> The name is curare. A very little amount of it
>>> shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
>>> spasm.
>>
>> A very little amount of it can kill you, fool, which is why doctors
>> only use it in extreme cases and with great care.
>>
>> Note the phrase "paralyze the patient" and the text that talks about
>> the necessity for life support when using it.
>>
>
> Well then dilute it by another factor of 1000. There
> must be a safe and effective range in there somewhere
> that would only curb the spasm and nothing else.
Once again a little reading would have prevented yet another idiotic
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:44:22 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000, >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Treatment
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I was talking about: (from your link)
>>>
>>> "In extreme cases it may be necessary to paralyze
>>> the patient with curare-like drugs"
>>>
>>> The name is curare. A very little amount of it
>>> shouldn't be harmful for very bad cases of muscle
>>> spasm.
>>
>> A very little amount of it can kill you, fool, which is why doctors
>> only use it in extreme cases and with great care.
>>
>> Note the phrase "paralyze the patient" and the text that talks about
>> the necessity for life support when using it.
>>
>
> Well then dilute it by another factor of 1000. There
> must be a safe and effective range in there somewhere
> that would only curb the spasm and nothing else.
posting.
"The toxicity of curare alkaloids in man hasn't been established."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curare#Toxicity
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 3:23:54 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
Speaking of curare. It is a wonderful drug. It has no
other side effects! It goes directly where the problem
is.
Curare in kill doses should be available to anybody
who wants to kill himself. It is much more humane than
asphyxiation by hanging. Robin Williams needed curare,
not a belt!
I wished authorities would let anyone who wants to
kill himself to do so humanely. Most of murder
suicides are "assisted" suicides. The way Robin
Williams left is shameful.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>
>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>
>>
>> "Information that is readily available."
>
> Yes.
>
> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>
Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>
>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>
>>
>> "Information that is readily available."
>
> Yes.
>
> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>
Speaking of curare. It is a wonderful drug. It has no
other side effects! It goes directly where the problem
is.
Curare in kill doses should be available to anybody
who wants to kill himself. It is much more humane than
asphyxiation by hanging. Robin Williams needed curare,
not a belt!
I wished authorities would let anyone who wants to
kill himself to do so humanely. Most of murder
suicides are "assisted" suicides. The way Robin
Williams left is shameful.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 3:33:21 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:03:05 -0000,
Then what's pharma for? They should establish it very
precisely so it could be put to use. A lot of death
anguish and pain is also from muscle spasms. I heard
how someone died and last two hours of it was nothing
but extreme pain from muscle spasm. That was just
cancer. Who knows how people die in other ways. Why
the hell haven't they started to use curare at least
for the dying?
precisely so it could be put to use. A lot of death
anguish and pain is also from muscle spasms. I heard
how someone died and last two hours of it was nothing
but extreme pain from muscle spasm. That was just
cancer. Who knows how people die in other ways. Why
the hell haven't they started to use curare at least
for the dying?
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 3:42:19 PM7/1/16
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it is used in many operations in small amounts, had many benifits,
google for it.
they use morphine for extreme pain, and to check you out for good if you
want that.
if you have liver cancer, they cannot relieve the pain.
so dont get liver cancer.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 3:46:05 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>>
>>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Information that is readily available."
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
>> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>>
>
> Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
Then you will always be the ignorant, silly fool you are now.
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>>
>>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Information that is readily available."
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
>> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>>
>
> Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
<snip ignorant, babbling nonsense>
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 3:55:23 PM7/1/16
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muscles. Old and emaciated as she was, the spasms were
intense enough to make her sit up each time and vomit
(non-producing). She did that for two hours nonstop
before she died. Fuck that. A little curare could let
her die in a rest position and in peace. Her daughter
watching this had to be hospitalized for hours for the
shock!
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 4:01:05 PM7/1/16
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better things for everything you have been babbling about these days, fool.
--
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ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 4:10:55 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:38:50 -0000,
useful links for me.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>>>
>>>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Information that is readily available."
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
>>> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>>>
>>
>> Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
>
> Then you will always be the ignorant, silly fool you are now.
>
Then you will always read, response, and provide
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>>>
>>>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Information that is readily available."
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
>>> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>>>
>>
>> Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
>
> Then you will always be the ignorant, silly fool you are now.
>
useful links for me.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 4:16:04 PM7/1/16
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pain, you uneducable idiot.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 4:16:14 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:55:13 -0000,
No not necessarily. You can always start from amounts
too small to do anything and gradually up to amounts
that start to show symptoms. This way you can stop
right in time and test the necessary amount for any
imaginable situation, any weight, gender, age,
physical condition, etc.
too small to do anything and gradually up to amounts
that start to show symptoms. This way you can stop
right in time and test the necessary amount for any
imaginable situation, any weight, gender, age,
physical condition, etc.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 4:19:15 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:15:36 -0000,
Not with the right amount of curare, no.
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 4:37:49 PM7/1/16
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pain as you die thing, they add one or two other drugs to it as well.
Dr's will not talk about it, only to the one in trouble, or their family.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 4:46:06 PM7/1/16
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--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 4:46:06 PM7/1/16
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information.
--
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ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 4:46:08 PM7/1/16
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to have any effect at all.
You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare does to the human body.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 4:54:10 PM7/1/16
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Dallas in a Church related hospital (presbyterian).
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 4:54:30 PM7/1/16
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Curare is not used, morphine is, for several reasons.
WIKI SAYS ...
Curare /kʊˈrɑːri/[1] or /kjʊˈrɑːri/[2] is a common name for various
plant extract alkaloid arrow poisons originating from Central and South
America. These poisons function by competitively and reversibly
inhibiting the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR), which is a
subtype of acetylcholine receptor found at the neuromuscular junction.
This causes weakness of the skeletal muscles and, when administered in a
sufficient dose, eventual death by asphyxiation due to paralysis of the
diaphragm.
Modern anesthetists have at their disposal a variety of muscle relaxants
for use in anesthesia. The ability to produce muscle relaxation
irrespective of sedation has permitted anesthetists to adjust the two
effects independently and on the fly to ensure that their patients are
safely unconscious and sufficiently relaxed to permit surgery. The use
of neuromuscular blocking drugs carries with it a very small risk of
anesthesia awareness.
Curare is only hazardous in the bloodstream, not swallowed by mouth.
Therefore, experienced Amazonian poison makers can safely taste the
curare, judging how intense it is from its degree of bitterness. Another
way the potency of curare is tested is by shooting the poison into a
frog and seeing how many times it hops before the frog stops moving.
Once the potent paste is ready, the tips of darts and arrows are coated
with the substance. Hunters must be careful not to cut or scrape
themselves with the dangerous tips, lest they become the victims.
-Curare is an alkaloid, and acts as a neuromuscular blocking agent to
produce paralysis in muscles. It first affects the muscles of the toes,
ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
those involved in breathing. In fatal doses, death is caused by
respiratory paralysis. Curare must get into the blood system for it to
work. It doesn't hurt to eat something killed by a poisoned curare
arrow, for instance. (Early 1700s) Originally found in South America
Used for dart poison
death by muscle paralysis (stricnine does this too, very painful)
It's name: comes from the word "viraery", vira = bird, eor = kill.
Charles de la Condamine --> scientist, first witnessed the Ticunus
indians use it.
Alexander Von Humboldt --> plant collector, first saw WHERE they got the
poison (the bark of the Strychnos family of trees).
Neuromuscular-blocking agent Claude Bernard and his injected frog:
Curare blocks conduction of nerve impulse to the muscles.
Late 1800s, early 1900s: Various doctors tried to use it as a way to
cure things such as tetanus and rabies, however almost every experiment
failed and ended fatally.
1930s: Richard Gill: sold Curare to ER Squibb, anesthetics becomes a
possibility.
Later, other scientist and doctors took this idea of anesthetics to the
next levelllll...... ;)
Curare Cures Krystal, Juliana, Hannah, Rosie Time
even eyes are paralyzed- difficult to confirm consciousness
Artificial Respiration
Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (AChEl)
inhibits enzyme from breaking down ACh block transmission at
neuromuscular junction
can act presynaptically (inhibit acetylcholine - ACh) or
postsynaptically (block acetylcholine receptor)
Curare - blocks nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR)
D-tubocurarine
active agent
competitive antagonist skeletal muscle relaxant
slow onset (60 seconds to 15 minutes)
long duration (30 minutes to 8 hours)
large molecules - cannot enter bloodstream through digestive system
must enter directly into bloodstream C H N O 37 41 2 6 + improved
effectiveness and safety of anesthesiology
marks the beginning of neuromuscular blocking agents
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 4:59:21 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:37:03 -0000,
Then do the rest yourself. This was my suggestion
first time I thought about it. Get that minimum level
and slightly increase it and see if it was enough to
alleviate spasm. If not, increase it a tiny bit more
and so on.
> You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare
> does to the human body.
>
It makes the spasm go away :)
first time I thought about it. Get that minimum level
and slightly increase it and see if it was enough to
alleviate spasm. If not, increase it a tiny bit more
and so on.
> You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare
> does to the human body.
>
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 5:02:19 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:33:20 -0000,
Then you should spoon feed me more. What you provided
wasn't enough to rule its successful application out
for leg cramps.
wasn't enough to rule its successful application out
for leg cramps.
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 5:03:25 PM7/1/16
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I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
curarie not used in the end game.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 5:11:15 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:54:09 -0500, Sergio wrote:
> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
> those involved in breathing.
See right there, there is a window of action that is
> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
> those involved in breathing.
safe and effective. If you are in bed, you'll lose
ability to move your eyeballs for a little while but
your leg cramps will be history. Muscles relax while
you perhaps take another nap. If the duration is only
a few minutes no harm is done, all is benefit.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 5:31:05 PM7/1/16
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things these days?
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 5:31:06 PM7/1/16
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>> You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare
>> does to the human body.
>>
>
> It makes the spasm go away :)
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 5:34:42 PM7/1/16
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chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
enough morphine to do the job.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 5:45:41 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:21:38 -0000,
Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
it would take for its effects to go away. If in
minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
falling sleep at night.
There are no side effects! It only does one thing
which is fully reversible.
>>> You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare
>>> does to the human body.
>>>
>>
>> It makes the spasm go away :)
>
> So does a .38 in the mouth, idiot.
>
You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
it would take for its effects to go away. If in
minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
falling sleep at night.
There are no side effects! It only does one thing
which is fully reversible.
>>> You are STILL utterly clueless as to what curare
>>> does to the human body.
>>>
>>
>> It makes the spasm go away :)
>
> So does a .38 in the mouth, idiot.
>
have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 5:47:37 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:19:44 -0000,
These "things" they say are better have side effects
and addictions to them.
and addictions to them.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 6:16:05 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
<snip>
> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
> enough morphine to do the job.
Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
depression, you babbling idiot.
--
Jim Pennino
<snip>
> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
> enough morphine to do the job.
hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
depression, you babbling idiot.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 6:16:06 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
You know nothing.
> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
> falling sleep at night.
For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
> which is fully reversible.
Wrong again, idiot.
<snip>
> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
--
Jim Pennino
<snip>
> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
> falling sleep at night.
> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
> which is fully reversible.
<snip>
> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 6:23:52 PM7/1/16
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an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
choosing asphyxiation. Curare would've been ideal.
It's just a shame that he had to use a belt adding
unnecessary anguish and pain to the process. If
morphine would work better he would've used morphine.
I have a feeling curare meds aren't readily available
because it is also ideal suicide pill. This doesn't
mean the drug as a useful way to alleviate spasm is a
bad drug. As I said before, those who want to kill
themselves should kill themselves. Society should help
them kill themselves. Otherwise some among them go
kill others to make it easier to kill themselves.
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 6:26:18 PM7/1/16
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Prevention Lifeline, which runs a website and 24-hour hotline
(1-800-273-8255) for people in crisis. “A big part of them doesn’t want
to die and the overwhelming majority get through those moments and are
glad they’re alive.”
So I talk of comedians carrying their addiction with them everywhere
they go. It's always available like kids who suck their thumb rather
than use a pacifier. Anytime you feel insecure, there it is at the
ready. So you can avoid dealing with the gut wrenching stuff that makes
one grow.
Robin then had a heart attack. "Wake up, the end is near." He was on
Charlie Rose shortly after and had finished his new stand up weapon of
"self distruction" for HBO. He wasn't as manic on Charlie's show and
talk of "greatful" as the most important thing.
But two years later, Robin was going through his list of things which
had got him through the night. I call them "White Rabbits," as in Alice
in Wonderland. Things to keep you distracted. He'd gotten married again,
did some routines, a little D&A, A sitcom. At this point, they all were
failing to give that light and purpose to life. He seemed emotionally
and spiritually bankrupt, loosing what perspective he'd had. His
interviews intimated he'd been harboring some shame and guilt from
earlier times too.
But it seems the last monkey wrench was being diagnosed with Parkinson's
disease. At this time, a one way ticket to a loss of everything
cherished in a crumbling world. He saw no future to get off that
horrible train. How does one cope when all the life preservers have sunk?
Robin still hadn't dealt with some of his serious stuff. Not haveing the
blessing not knowing how to heal it, he is alone inside with all those
friends. Pretty sad for it to come to that.
Sergio
Jul 1, 2016, 6:33:32 PM7/1/16
to
On 7/1/2016 4:11 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:54:09 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
>> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
>> those involved in breathing.
>
> See right there, there is a window of action that is
> safe and effective. If you are in bed, you'll lose
> ability to move your eyeballs for a little while but
> your leg cramps will be history. Muscles relax while
> you perhaps take another nap. If the duration is only
> a few minutes no harm is done, all is benefit.
>
why don't you try that and report back ?
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:54:09 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
>> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
>> those involved in breathing.
>
> See right there, there is a window of action that is
> safe and effective. If you are in bed, you'll lose
> ability to move your eyeballs for a little while but
> your leg cramps will be history. Muscles relax while
> you perhaps take another nap. If the duration is only
> a few minutes no harm is done, all is benefit.
>
If it is used in surgery, it is used with several other drugs to do more
things to the pacient, lots of info on the internet about it, do you get
that where you are at ? or do they have some of the internet cut off ?
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 6:36:41 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:12:32 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>
> You know nothing.
>
>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>> falling sleep at night.
>
> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>
For as many times as that, when spasm go away pain
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>
> You know nothing.
>
>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>> falling sleep at night.
>
> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>
goes away.
>> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
>> which is fully reversible.
>
> Wrong again, idiot.
>
> <snip>
>
>> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
>> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
>
> I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
>
it to Constitution so idiots like you would shudder.
You didn't say how old you are, are you 90?
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 6:46:05 PM7/1/16
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--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 6:46:16 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>
>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>
>
> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
> choosing asphyxiation.
What part of he had a brain disease that causees hallucinations and
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>
>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>
>
> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
> choosing asphyxiation.
other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression did you
not understand, idiot?
<snip>
> I have a feeling curare meds aren't readily available
> because it is also ideal suicide pill.
orally has no effect, idiot.
<snip babble>
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 7:01:12 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>
>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>
>
> suicide is not rational,
So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>
>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>
>
> suicide is not rational,
go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
arrange it.
> he could have been saved,
available and leave the rest to himself. If he decides
to die regardless, at least provide the best way for
him. Curare is better than a belt.
> National Suicide
> Prevention Lifeline, which runs a website and 24-hour hotline
> (1-800-273-8255) for people in crisis. “A big part of them doesn’t want
> to die and the overwhelming majority get through those moments and are
> glad they’re alive.”
>
most consequential acts during "moments". That's why
dangerous ones are hard to catch. If a moment comes
that a man wants to die, make it easy for him to die.
You as a society owe at least this much to him.
They do that in other countries, that cliff (I don't
remember where it is), that jungle in Japan. Their
society allow people to take their own lives. Heck
they even have a ceremony for it in Japan.
> So I talk of comedians carrying their addiction with them everywhere
> they go. It's always available like kids who suck their thumb rather
> than use a pacifier. Anytime you feel insecure, there it is at the
> ready. So you can avoid dealing with the gut wrenching stuff that makes
> one grow.
>
> Robin then had a heart attack. "Wake up, the end is near." He was on
> Charlie Rose shortly after and had finished his new stand up weapon of
> "self distruction" for HBO. He wasn't as manic on Charlie's show and
> talk of "greatful" as the most important thing.
>
> But two years later, Robin was going through his list of things which
> had got him through the night. I call them "White Rabbits," as in Alice
> in Wonderland. Things to keep you distracted. He'd gotten married again,
> did some routines, a little D&A, A sitcom. At this point, they all were
> failing to give that light and purpose to life. He seemed emotionally
> and spiritually bankrupt, loosing what perspective he'd had. His
> interviews intimated he'd been harboring some shame and guilt from
> earlier times too.
>
> But it seems the last monkey wrench was being diagnosed with Parkinson's
> disease. At this time, a one way ticket to a loss of everything
> cherished in a crumbling world. He saw no future to get off that
> horrible train. How does one cope when all the life preservers have sunk?
>
> Robin still hadn't dealt with some of his serious stuff. Not haveing the
> blessing not knowing how to heal it, he is alone inside with all those
> friends. Pretty sad for it to come to that.
morphine? I think probably the fear of curare as the
ideal suicide drug is keeping the doctors away from
dispensing it or having anything to do with it.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 7:05:04 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/1/2016 4:11 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:54:09 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
>>> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
>>> those involved in breathing.
>>
>> See right there, there is a window of action that is
>> safe and effective. If you are in bed, you'll lose
>> ability to move your eyeballs for a little while but
>> your leg cramps will be history. Muscles relax while
>> you perhaps take another nap. If the duration is only
>> a few minutes no harm is done, all is benefit.
>>
>
> why don't you try that and report back ?
>
I don't have leg cramps :)
> On 7/1/2016 4:11 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:54:09 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> It first affects the muscles of the toes,
>>> ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally,
>>> those involved in breathing.
>>
>> See right there, there is a window of action that is
>> safe and effective. If you are in bed, you'll lose
>> ability to move your eyeballs for a little while but
>> your leg cramps will be history. Muscles relax while
>> you perhaps take another nap. If the duration is only
>> a few minutes no harm is done, all is benefit.
>>
>
> why don't you try that and report back ?
>
> If it is used in surgery, it is used with several other drugs to do more
> things to the pacient, lots of info on the internet about it, do you get
> that where you are at ? or do they have some of the internet cut off ?
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 7:11:45 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:42:39 -0000,
Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing. It is
with someone for a while. Then use of diazepam is
obviously wrong cause it creates addiction. You need
common sense, not a medical degree. I give it a good
chance the only reason they want to stay away from
curare as a med for people's use against cramps is its
potential to be an ideal suicide drug. Double the
injection dose and you are byebye and nobody can help
you if they don't know you did it. Clean, effective,
and humane compared to use of guns or "belts."
with someone for a while. Then use of diazepam is
obviously wrong cause it creates addiction. You need
common sense, not a medical degree. I give it a good
chance the only reason they want to stay away from
curare as a med for people's use against cramps is its
potential to be an ideal suicide drug. Double the
injection dose and you are byebye and nobody can help
you if they don't know you did it. Clean, effective,
and humane compared to use of guns or "belts."
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 7:19:44 PM7/1/16
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:46:06 -0000,
He had lots of reasons to do what he did. He was an
above average intelligent man right before he died.
> <snip>
>
>> I have a feeling curare meds aren't readily available
>> because it is also ideal suicide pill.
>
> If you had read any of the references you would know taking curare
> orally has no effect, idiot.
>
When I wrote that I knew you'd mention this. Suicide
pill was a "so to speak" phrase.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>
>>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>>
>>
>> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
>> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
>> choosing asphyxiation.
>
> What part of he had a brain disease that causees hallucinations and
> other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression did you
> not understand, idiot?
>
I doubt he killed himself in a hallucination episode.
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>
>>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>>
>>
>> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
>> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
>> choosing asphyxiation.
>
> What part of he had a brain disease that causees hallucinations and
> other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression did you
> not understand, idiot?
>
He had lots of reasons to do what he did. He was an
above average intelligent man right before he died.
> <snip>
>
>> I have a feeling curare meds aren't readily available
>> because it is also ideal suicide pill.
>
> If you had read any of the references you would know taking curare
> orally has no effect, idiot.
>
pill was a "so to speak" phrase.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 8:31:05 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
You don't know what leg cramps are.
<snip silly babble>
--
Jim Pennino
<snip>
> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
<snip silly babble>
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 8:31:06 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:46:06 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>
>>>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>>>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>>>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
>>> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
>>> choosing asphyxiation.
>>
>> What part of he had a brain disease that causees hallucinations and
>> other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression did you
>> not understand, idiot?
>>
>
> I doubt he killed himself in a hallucination episode.
Is that your learned medical diagnosis of someone you have never met?
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:46:06 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:03:56 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>
>>>> Robin Williams wasn't in pain, he had a brain disease that causees
>>>> hallucinations and other debilitating neurological symptoms, including
>>>> depression, you babbling idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For whatever reason he wanted to kill himself. He was
>>> an intelligent man. He must've researched it before
>>> choosing asphyxiation.
>>
>> What part of he had a brain disease that causees hallucinations and
>> other debilitating neurological symptoms, including depression did you
>> not understand, idiot?
>>
>
> I doubt he killed himself in a hallucination episode.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 8:41:38 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>
> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>
Then explain.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>
> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 8:43:33 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:27:21 -0000,
No that's my common sense guess.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 8:46:05 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>
>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>
>>
>> suicide is not rational,
>
> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
> arrange it.
Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>
>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>
>>
>> suicide is not rational,
>
> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
> arrange it.
<snip silly babble>
> Back to curare vs morphine. Why didn't Williams use
> morphine?
> I think probably the fear of curare as the
> ideal suicide drug is keeping the doctors away from
> dispensing it or having anything to do with it.
The ideal suicide drug would be a major OD of just about any narcotic.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 8:46:06 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:12:32 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>>
>> You know nothing.
>>
>>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>>> falling sleep at night.
>>
>> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>>
>
> For as many times as that, when spasm go away pain
> goes away.
Idiot.
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:12:32 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>>
>> You know nothing.
>>
>>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>>> falling sleep at night.
>>
>> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>>
>
> For as many times as that, when spasm go away pain
> goes away.
>>> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
>>> which is fully reversible.
>>
>> Wrong again, idiot.
>>
>
> Provide me with evidence :)
>> <snip>
>>
>>> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
>>> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
>>
>> I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
>>
>
> Yes I think you probably should.
in the leg, several times.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 9:03:40 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:32:22 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>>
>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>
>>>
>>> suicide is not rational,
>>
>> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
>> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
>> arrange it.
>
> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>
No you don't know enough about it.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>>
>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>
>>>
>>> suicide is not rational,
>>
>> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
>> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
>> arrange it.
>
> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>
> <snip silly babble>
>
>> Back to curare vs morphine. Why didn't Williams use
>> morphine?
>
> Why didn't he OD on a lot of things he could have eaisly ODed on?
>
the easiest and least painful.
>> I think probably the fear of curare as the
>> ideal suicide drug is keeping the doctors away from
>> dispensing it or having anything to do with it.
>
> Silly nonsense.
>
> The ideal suicide drug would be a major OD of just about any narcotic.
>
those in youtube who have survived suicide attempts.
For about one year I was interested about bipolars and
watched many many videos from them (youtube is an
excellent source for information on bipolars). OD is a
horrible way to go. Then they find you and drag you
out of it by force and you come back a totally fucked
up man. My neighbor's niece's husband and his brother
both OD'd together on heroin, one died one survived
although they had done everything to be successful. It
is chancy, leaves a wide margin you'd be found and
rescued.
Jeff-Relf.Me
Jul 1, 2016, 9:07:44 PM7/1/16
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Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. It's a drawn out, legal process; not SpurOfTheMoment. Robin Williams could've done it that way.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 9:16:07 PM7/1/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>
>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>
>
> Then explain.
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>
>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>
>
> Then explain.
Do your own research, idiot.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 1, 2016, 9:16:08 PM7/1/16
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Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 9:16:47 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:38:08 -0000,
so? Spasm goes away, pain goes away.
>>>> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
>>>> which is fully reversible.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> Provide me with evidence :)
>
> Do your own research, idiot.
>
I don't have leg spasm issues. Why should I research
it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
always.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
>>>> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
>>>
>>> I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
>>>
>>
>> Yes I think you probably should.
>
> Especially given the high likelyhood that you would shoot yourself
> in the leg, several times.
>
I don't even know where you get your ideas from.
Probably from your "Iran Experts." Hehe :) I have been
armed all my adult life and never had a mishap. Such
mishaps take place with those who buy a gun and get
into the idea that it is a toy to play with (just
because it is also sport after all). No it is not a
toy like your other toys (tools and stuff). A gun is a
snake. A rattle snake. Loaded or unloaded. You handle
it with respect and know every step of the way what to
do with it in a safe and effective manner. When I see
how in these movies they handle their guns it does
make me shudder.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:12:32 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>>>
>>> You know nothing.
>>>
>>>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>>>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>>>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>>>> falling sleep at night.
>>>
>>> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>>>
>>
>> For as many times as that, when spasm go away pain
>> goes away.
>
> Idiot.
>
The pain in leg cramp is because of spasm, isn't it
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:12:32 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Now that I know more, I know it would work in bed.
>>>
>>> You know nothing.
>>>
>>>> Very effectively indeed. I still don't know how long
>>>> it would take for its effects to go away. If in
>>>> minutes, then ideal. If longer then only right before
>>>> falling sleep at night.
>>>
>>> For about the 10th time, curare is not an anesthetic, idiot.'
>>>
>>
>> For as many times as that, when spasm go away pain
>> goes away.
>
> Idiot.
>
so? Spasm goes away, pain goes away.
>>>> There are no side effects! It only does one thing
>>>> which is fully reversible.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> Provide me with evidence :)
>
> Do your own research, idiot.
>
it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
always.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
>>>> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
>>>
>>> I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
>>>
>>
>> Yes I think you probably should.
>
> Especially given the high likelyhood that you would shoot yourself
> in the leg, several times.
>
Probably from your "Iran Experts." Hehe :) I have been
armed all my adult life and never had a mishap. Such
mishaps take place with those who buy a gun and get
into the idea that it is a toy to play with (just
because it is also sport after all). No it is not a
toy like your other toys (tools and stuff). A gun is a
snake. A rattle snake. Loaded or unloaded. You handle
it with respect and know every step of the way what to
do with it in a safe and effective manner. When I see
how in these movies they handle their guns it does
make me shudder.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 9:27:26 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
done your research explain it then.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>
>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>
>>
>> Then explain.
>
> Do your own research, idiot.
>
You're the one who jumped in here. Well, if you have
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>
>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>
>>
>> Then explain.
>
> Do your own research, idiot.
>
done your research explain it then.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 9:32:41 PM7/1/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:05:03 -0000,
So are you saying he did it while hallucinating? That
sure sounds "nonsense" to me.
sure sounds "nonsense" to me.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 9:44:57 PM7/1/16
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non-terminally ill you just do it yourself of course
cause you wouldn't give a damn if there was a law
against it or not.
Jeff-Relf.Me
Jul 1, 2016, 9:55:59 PM7/1/16
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You ( Mr. Freak ) replied ( to me ): > > Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. > > It's a drawn out, legal process; not SpurOfTheMoment. > > Robin Williams could've done it that way. > > For terminally ill it is allowed ( and helped ). Switzerland will help _anyone_ die; sick or not, Swiss or not. Quoting " Euthanasia in _Switzerland; Debate " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Switzerland#Debate ＜＜ In July 2009, British conductor Sir Edward Downes and his wife Joan died together at a suicide clinic outside Zürich "under circumstances of their own choosing." Sir Edward was _NOT_ terminally ill, but HIS WIFE was diagnosed with rapidly developing cancer. ＞＞
Jeff-Relf.Me
Jul 1, 2016, 10:01:19 PM7/1/16
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Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die; sick or not, Swiss or not. Switzerland and Norway are _very_ elite, Mr. Einstein; and now, with BrExit, Britain has joined them.
ClutterFreak
Jul 1, 2016, 10:38:28 PM7/1/16
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better :) They've understood that they shouldn't play
guardians for individuals.
There are too many humans. Make curare in lethal doses
an over the counter med in USA, complete with
instructions and a syringe. Say $8.99. Like a
hamburger and a drink. When dying in USA becomes as
easy as having a hamburger that's when we have
advanced past the Swiss. Let those who want to die,
fucking die.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 9:05:07 AM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then explain.
>>
>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>
>
> You're the one who jumped in here.
If you post idiocy, expect someone to note that.
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then explain.
>>
>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>
>
> You're the one who jumped in here.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 9:05:08 AM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:32:22 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>>>
>>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> suicide is not rational,
>>>
>>> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
>>> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
>>> arrange it.
>>
>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>
>
> No you don't know enough about it.
I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:32:22 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:25:58 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/1/2016 4:34 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:03:05 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> its different today, even in states that have it outlawed.
>>>>>> I've watched 2, and know of 2 others.
>>>>>> it is between a patient and his/her Dr.
>>>>>> and Drs don't want patients to suffer any pain.
>>>>>> curarie not used in the end game.
>>>>>
>>>>> If morphine was a better way to go why Robin Williams
>>>>> chose asphyxiation? He could sure put his hands on
>>>>> enough morphine to do the job.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> suicide is not rational,
>>>
>>> So you're saying he wouldn't prefer an easier way to
>>> go? He probably knew a lot about morphine and could
>>> arrange it.
>>
>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>
>
> No you don't know enough about it.
include curare.
>> <snip silly babble>
>>
>>> Back to curare vs morphine. Why didn't Williams use
>>> morphine?
>>
>> Why didn't he OD on a lot of things he could have eaisly ODed on?
>>
>
> He must've researched and found out asphyxiation is
> the easiest and least painful.
simply falling asleep and never waking up, idiot.
>>> I think probably the fear of curare as the
>>> ideal suicide drug is keeping the doctors away from
>>> dispensing it or having anything to do with it.
>>
>> Silly nonsense.
>>
>> The ideal suicide drug would be a major OD of just about any narcotic.
>>
>
> No! As I said you don't know about it. Watch videos of
> those in youtube who have survived suicide attempts.
> For about one year I was interested about bipolars and
> watched many many videos from them (youtube is an
> excellent source for information on bipolars). OD is a
> horrible way to go. Then they find you and drag you
> out of it by force and you come back a totally fucked
> up man. My neighbor's niece's husband and his brother
> both OD'd together on heroin, one died one survived
> although they had done everything to be successful. It
> is chancy, leaves a wide margin you'd be found and
> rescued.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 9:05:09 AM7/2/16
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>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> You must be ancient. How old are you? Nobody I know
>>>>> have .38 anymore. Neither do I.
>>>>
>>>> I shudder to think of an idiot like you owning a gun of any kind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes I think you probably should.
>>
>> Especially given the high likelyhood that you would shoot yourself
>> in the leg, several times.
>>
>
> I don't even know where you get your ideas from.
--
Jim Pennino
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 10:16:04 AM7/2/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:35:26 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then explain.
>>>
>>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> You're the one who jumped in here.
>
> If you post idiocy, expect someone to note that.
>
You can't fight idiocy without any counter argument.
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then explain.
>>>
>>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> You're the one who jumped in here.
>
> If you post idiocy, expect someone to note that.
>
Sergio
Jul 2, 2016, 10:18:46 AM7/2/16
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Sergio
Jul 2, 2016, 10:24:01 AM7/2/16
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realize doing such is a sickness
it is easier to go fact check, than be lazy and make stuff up.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 10:35:18 AM7/2/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:39:33 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>
>>
>> No you don't know enough about it.
>
> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
> include curare.
>
Anything can be lethal. Why didn't you mention
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>
>>
>> No you don't know enough about it.
>
> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
> include curare.
>
alcohol? Alcohol is lethal in large doses. But it is,
like others you mentioned, not the best way to go.
Very nasty indeed.
>>
>> He must've researched and found out asphyxiation is
>> the easiest and least painful.
>
> Asphyxiation is a horrible way to die especially when compared to
> simply falling asleep and never waking up, idiot.
>
He was an intelligent man (above average for sure). I
know he had delusions and was diagnosed with brain
disease, but I'm pretty sure he did it with planning
and purpose. He had money and means to extend his life
as long as his brain disease would let him, but he'd
decided against it.
He chose asphyxiation over OD. OD must be very bad
cause Kurt Cobain had tried it and still chose gun.
When he died he had enough narcotics in his blood to
kill him five times over, but when dying time came it
was bad enough to make him use the gun. These are
solid facts. You can't just dismiss them.
Williams had access to all sorts of narcotics. But he
probably knew enough about them not to go that way.
>>>> I think probably the fear of curare as the
>>>> ideal suicide drug is keeping the doctors away from
>>>> dispensing it or having anything to do with it.
>>>
>>> Silly nonsense.
>>>
>>> The ideal suicide drug would be a major OD of just about any narcotic.
>>>
>>
>> No! As I said you don't know about it. Watch videos of
>> those in youtube who have survived suicide attempts.
>> For about one year I was interested about bipolars and
>> watched many many videos from them (youtube is an
>> excellent source for information on bipolars). OD is a
>> horrible way to go. Then they find you and drag you
>> out of it by force and you come back a totally fucked
>> up man. My neighbor's niece's husband and his brother
>> both OD'd together on heroin, one died one survived
>> although they had done everything to be successful. It
>> is chancy, leaves a wide margin you'd be found and
>> rescued.
>
> Not if you live alone and take enough; happens every day.
>
do it in strange places and that kills them (body
doesn't know what's coming). Narcotics are not the
easiest way to leave life according to those who
tried. It just seems to be the "politically correct
way" to leave life.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 11:05:49 AM7/2/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:41:54 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> I don't have leg spasm issues. Why should I research
>> it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
>> spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
>> always.
>
> Everything you posted was silly nonsense.
>
Well, why bother then. That doesn't help me (or
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> I don't have leg spasm issues. Why should I research
>> it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
>> spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
>> always.
>
> Everything you posted was silly nonsense.
>
possible readers). If you have a better argument help
yourself. Usenet is not a place to come in tell others
to go elsewhere for information. It _is_ supposed to
be the place to deliver information. Present them!
>>>
>>
>> I don't even know where you get your ideas from.
>
> From your idiotic posts.
>
>
with my gun? Who looks like an idiot here? And look
who's saying that to me in the first place, an
American. The moment a non-American gets a chance to
see how you people even _drive_ he figures you're
paying high monthly car insurance bills. You take
driving as if you're sitting on a couch watching TV,
with one hand stretched over the other seat and an
idiotic gesture on your faces as if you're watching
American comedy (i.e. for 12 year olds). You don't
know how idiotic you look. And you come here speak of
"idiocy" to me.
It used to be even in your advertisements until more
foreigners came in and told you to shove that.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 11:08:43 AM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 11:10:02 AM7/2/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:18:22 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>> If I had leg cramps I'd do a research on it.
>>
>
> your brain is a muscle, you can fix your brain cramps!
Subject is you and your leg cramps.
>> If I had leg cramps I'd do a research on it.
>>
>
> your brain is a muscle, you can fix your brain cramps!
Sergio
Jul 2, 2016, 12:54:15 PM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 1:26:59 PM7/2/16
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ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 1:46:12 PM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:35:26 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then explain.
>>>>
>>>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're the one who jumped in here.
>>
>> If you post idiocy, expect someone to note that.
>>
>
> You can't fight idiocy without any counter argument.
In your case that has been trivial.
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:35:26 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 01:04:14 -0000,
>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 00:26:00 -0000,
>>>>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leg cramps looks like is not a one time thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't know what leg cramps are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then explain.
>>>>
>>>> Do your own research, idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're the one who jumped in here.
>>
>> If you post idiocy, expect someone to note that.
>>
>
> You can't fight idiocy without any counter argument.
All one need do is look up leg cramps causes and cures and curare.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 1:46:15 PM7/2/16
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--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 2:01:12 PM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:39:33 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>>
>>>
>>> No you don't know enough about it.
>>
>> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
>> include curare.
>>
>
> Anything can be lethal. Why didn't you mention
> alcohol? Alcohol is lethal in large doses. But it is,
> like others you mentioned, not the best way to go.
> Very nasty indeed.
Sure even water is lethal if you drink too much, but irrelvant to the
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:39:33 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>>
>>>
>>> No you don't know enough about it.
>>
>> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
>> include curare.
>>
>
> Anything can be lethal. Why didn't you mention
> alcohol? Alcohol is lethal in large doses. But it is,
> like others you mentioned, not the best way to go.
> Very nasty indeed.
point of easy and painless suicide.
>>>
>>> He must've researched and found out asphyxiation is
>>> the easiest and least painful.
>>
>> Asphyxiation is a horrible way to die especially when compared to
>> simply falling asleep and never waking up, idiot.
>>
>
> I don't know, my claim is based on observation only.
15.9% of suicides are from poisioning, i.e. OD on something.
26.7% are suffocation, i.e. hanging.
Statistics indicate that roughly 12 people harm themselves for every
reported death by suicide.
> do it in strange places and that kills them (body
> doesn't know what's coming). Narcotics are not the
> easiest way to leave life according to those who
> tried. It just seems to be the "politically correct
> way" to leave life.
survivable.
--
Jim Pennino
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Jul 2, 2016, 2:01:15 PM7/2/16
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ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:41:54 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I don't have leg spasm issues. Why should I research
>>> it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
>>> spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
>>> always.
>>
>> Everything you posted was silly nonsense.
>>
>
> Well, why bother then. That doesn't help me (or
> possible readers). If you have a better argument help
> yourself. Usenet is not a place to come in tell others
> to go elsewhere for information. It _is_ supposed to
> be the place to deliver information. Present them!
I am delivering the information that everything you post is silly nonsense.
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:41:54 -0000,
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I don't have leg spasm issues. Why should I research
>>> it. I suggested curare to Sergio who seems to have leg
>>> spasm issues. Then you parachuted down into it like
>>> always.
>>
>> Everything you posted was silly nonsense.
>>
>
> Well, why bother then. That doesn't help me (or
> possible readers). If you have a better argument help
> yourself. Usenet is not a place to come in tell others
> to go elsewhere for information. It _is_ supposed to
> be the place to deliver information. Present them!
--
Jim Pennino
Sergio
Jul 2, 2016, 2:46:10 PM7/2/16
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Sergio
Jul 2, 2016, 3:11:22 PM7/2/16
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On 7/2/2016 10:05 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>
> The moment a non-American gets a chance to
> see how you people even _drive_ he figures you're
> paying high monthly car insurance bills. You take
> driving as if you're sitting on a couch watching TV,
> with one hand stretched over the other seat and an
> idiotic gesture on your faces as if you're watching
> American comedy (i.e. for 12 year olds). You don't
> know how idiotic you look. And you come here speak of
> "idiocy" to me.
...are you using your remote viewer ?
>
> The moment a non-American gets a chance to
> see how you people even _drive_ he figures you're
> paying high monthly car insurance bills. You take
> driving as if you're sitting on a couch watching TV,
> with one hand stretched over the other seat and an
> idiotic gesture on your faces as if you're watching
> American comedy (i.e. for 12 year olds). You don't
> know how idiotic you look. And you come here speak of
> "idiocy" to me.
hey,
I have driven in italy, saudia arabia, israel, mexico, NYC, paris, and
the worlds best drivers in the world are in *ISTANBUL* by far.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 5:03:28 PM7/2/16
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:54:31 -0000,
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:39:33 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No you don't know enough about it.
>>>
>>> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
>>> include curare.
>>>
>>
>> Anything can be lethal. Why didn't you mention
>> alcohol? Alcohol is lethal in large doses. But it is,
>> like others you mentioned, not the best way to go.
>> Very nasty indeed.
>
> Sure even water is lethal if you drink too much, but irrelvant to the
> point of easy and painless suicide.
>
>>>>
>>>> He must've researched and found out asphyxiation is
>>>> the easiest and least painful.
>>>
>>> Asphyxiation is a horrible way to die especially when compared to
>>> simply falling asleep and never waking up, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, my claim is based on observation only.
>
> How many deaths have you observed?
>
Observation of circumstantial evidence :)
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak <Clutte...@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 05:39:33 -0000,
>> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>>> Or sleeping pills, or heroin or cocain or...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No you don't know enough about it.
>>>
>>> I know what common things are lethal and easy to get, which does not
>>> include curare.
>>>
>>
>> Anything can be lethal. Why didn't you mention
>> alcohol? Alcohol is lethal in large doses. But it is,
>> like others you mentioned, not the best way to go.
>> Very nasty indeed.
>
> Sure even water is lethal if you drink too much, but irrelvant to the
> point of easy and painless suicide.
>
>>>>
>>>> He must've researched and found out asphyxiation is
>>>> the easiest and least painful.
>>>
>>> Asphyxiation is a horrible way to die especially when compared to
>>> simply falling asleep and never waking up, idiot.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, my claim is based on observation only.
>
> How many deaths have you observed?
>
said only 15.9% of OD's turn out to be suicide
attempts.
> 26.7% are suffocation, i.e. hanging.
>
> Statistics indicate that roughly 12 people harm themselves for every
> reported death by suicide.
>
>
>> do it in strange places and that kills them (body
>> doesn't know what's coming). Narcotics are not the
>> easiest way to leave life according to those who
>> tried. It just seems to be the "politically correct
>> way" to leave life.
>
> Almost right, 49.9% of suicides are by firearm, which is seldom
> survivable.
>
using belts. Assisted suicide is the best way and
curare could've very well been a useful part of it.
Hell vets know it's best doing that for very sick
cats, so why not humans as well.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 5:05:44 PM7/2/16
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must bring your argument in.
ClutterFreak
Jul 2, 2016, 5:41:40 PM7/2/16
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that requires serious practice. Almost an art, cause
you simply won't get to your destination if you
haven't acquired the skill.
Here they gave me a drivers licence in two hours. In
Tehran it took me 11 months to get the damn thing. I'm
not exaggerating. Some individuals couldn't get it at
all. I spent so much money in driving schools it isn't
even funny. Result is that I haven't had any car
accidents in my life. Only once a woman hit my car
from behind in a parking area and it was such a funny
situation that she had to confess to the police that
she was looking at the shops while she turning..
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