The Halting Probloem
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The problem with computers or Turing machines is that they think the
world is made up of yes and no answers.
It never has been that way until the collapse of the wave function.
Until then, everything is in a superposition.
When we use our minds to think, we say maybe a lot.
We say "well based on that 'I GUESS' you are correct.
We almost always qualify our statements.
Yes no or maybe so.
Thats not zero and one. That has never been zero and one.
Cavemen believe that the world is based on a concept of opposites.
For every number there is a negatve number, plus you have hot/cold
fast/slow light/dark, but whats the opposite of a ham sandwich?
You see in programming we are forced to try to make this eroneous
incomplete system work with thing such as a null or a nil value since we
are already using zero as a one.
You have strings of characters that start at 0, sometiomes 1, some have
to be null terminated, you see we really need
if this then that,and if its not this, then maybe we aren't going to find
out what it is, so to keep asking the computer to try to solve an
unsolveable problem i sjust asking for it to wait for a condition that
may never be met.
That is why we never say while this do that, we set th enumber of
iterations if we are a good programmer.
You don't see too many of those freezes any more because good programming
practice tells us to not set ourselves up like that.
If you say do this until true equals false, it will.
If you only program within boundaries,
psuedo code
let x = 0
i is assigned 1 to 100 do
x = x+1
When its finished which it must, x will have a value of zero plus 100
Now lets suppose you have really no idea of what you are attempting to
discover and so you want to use while instead of a for loop, then unless
you use yes no and maybe, then you cannot solve the halting problem.
If yes, then this, if no then that, and if maybe, well maybe if we don't
put something in here we will have a program that doesn't halt and it
will have been our fault all along.
You need to build computers with yes no maybe so circuitry.
Cantor only goes so far with a Cantor set. You can exclude maybe since
the cat is alive or dead, after you open the frickin box but not before.
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>Cantor only goes so far with a Cantor set. You can exclude maybe since
>the cat is alive or dead, after you open the frickin box but not before.
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So when does the wave function collapse? When you look in the box.
So then will it collapse by itself? In some interpretations it will.
If you shoot the cat. If you don't properly administer the cyanide but then
thats like a bug that you find out about later.
So if we can determine if the wavefunction will collapse we can solve the
halting problem.
What does this tell us? We have to observe sonmething.
If the wave function does not collapse until we look, then the program might
not halt unless we look.
Is looking really enough? Looking requires opening the box.
So then we need to click the mouse. Or, we set a timer to perform that task.
If there is no way to determine if the wave function will collapse there is
no way with certainty to tell if a program will ever halt.
But since a computer halting is a simple process we can use maybe to satisfy
a condition IF IT DOES NOT COLLAPSE.
We can collapse the wave function.
So all we have to do in terms of a algorythm is check to see if the box is
open. We test to see if maybe is set to true or false.
If maybe is false the wave function has collapsed.
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You can use the Shoedinger Equation to solve the Halting Problem.
Go ahead and write papers on that and the next level of architecture will be
more suitable for mission critical systems.
IIn a nutshell, you need a zero one and two, and you need to assign these as
yes no and maybe and treat them with equal validiity. The value will be 2
(2="maybe") until the collapse of the wave function, when it will then be 0 or
1 (yes or no) Which order? Whatever the convention is. So you have to have a
convention and get a free lunch.
You must always be conscious of the maybe superposition because the other
states are going to happen instantaneously while the maybe can take forever.
So if with your Turing machine 2 point O you set "maybe" as a condition at the
same time you set yes or no, "true" or "false", And then this forces you to
consider all the possibilities and to have a 'decision' ready by way of a
function, in the event true false or maybe is triggered.
Use fuzzy logic if you want and say at 60% hit rate then collapse the wave
function.
Backward chaining inference engine, if C then B if B then A
Reverse engineering.
How does that fly?
It floats.
How does it float?
It is filled with Helium.
How does helium float?
It is a lighter than air element.
To get a balloon to float we need a lighter than air element.
Where do we get one - Helium you see we are now going forward after we reverse
engineered a process using a backward chaining inference engine.
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information pathways and sculpting linguistics (skullpting) to create
better mission critical systems.
An example of an information pathway is ...
If C then B, if B, then A, if A then B, plus i (external input from
sensors), If B refined then C plus i.
What you have just done there is reverse engineered a process and
improved it on the fly.
And since you are using sensor data, you don't even have to be sitting
there.
So what about broad use? Again, 99 to then nth power percent of the time
a state is in a superposition such as maybe, the point at which the wave
function collapses is instantaneous because at some instant a decision
is made and the result is true or false. Since it is either true or
false or maybe, there are no in between almost undecided states as far
as the math is concerned.
It's almost holistic. Live in the maybe, live in the now.
So your 'progasm' is running and you have set a fuzzy logic condition of
72 percent on a timer (if 'maybe' is not equal to false and x=72%
then...) to trigger a function to reconsider the task and if possible to
improve the situation/odds/efficiency/fluidity/economy/efficacy of the
running process. Using an overlord process.
The overlord process checks the maybe state and his job is an important
one so you need to put a lot of work into the overlord process if you
want better efficacy.
So then does this mean people will get more popups? Of course. More and
better ones and faster ones and bigger ones because people like to do
that to other people a lot.
And then others will counter those efforts and we can help them right
now by simply designing a machine that is more difficult to mess with.
Have you met the overlord? The overlord is your friend.
What might an overlord look like 25 years from now?
He might look like a smurf material crash test dummy, with attachments.
Take him out of the black box if you want.
He is made of smurf material so he can't strangle you in your sleep. Why
this is important because 30 years from now, through the net, you will
be operating someone else's overlord in your playroom, while they
operate yours in your playroom, and the person on the other end, might
end up being a jumped up crack whore who has had enough of men and can't
find her med~i~cation and its that time of the month and you fall asleep
and this crash test dummy overlord is at your throat, so what? It's made
of smurf material. And it is only allowed to pick up materials that have
a dayglow marker stamp on them and that rules out butcher knives from
out of the kitchen.
Yes he runs on rechargeable Lithium Ion batteries in his feet which give
him weight and allow him to stand. He walks like a smurf crash test
dummy would walk with servos at its joints and a fluid pump that pumps
fluid from one leg to the other to counterweight the body while the foot
is being raised to walk. Uses a gyro for stability.
Don't piss him off though because in 5 more years (35 years into the
future) he is doing karate kicks and shit because YOU thought it would
be cool to teach him how to do that, by making him do things and
recording his movements in a 3D space (sensors at corners of room,
sensors on dummy)and in that way teaching him behaviors that he would
use some day to try to kill you with. Some will succeed. Another of the
thousand ways to die.
But those who do not die? What sort of attachments? Oh I don't knoooow,
scientiific cal-cu-la-tors?
Barometer? Let your imagination run wild.
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> Take him out of the black box if you want.
>
> He is made of smurf material so he can't strangle you in your sleep. Why
> this is important because 30 years from now, through the net, you will
> be operating someone else's overlord in your playroom, while they
> operate yours in your playroom, and the person on the other end, might
> end up being a jumped up crack whore who has had enough of men and can't
> find her med~i~cation and its that time of the month and you fall asleep
> and this crash test dummy overlord is at your throat, so what? It's made
> of smurf material. And it is only allowed to pick up materials that have
> a dayglow marker stamp on them and that rules out butcher knives from
> out of the kitchen.
>
> Yes he runs on rechargeable Lithium Ion batteries in his feet which give
> him weight and allow him to stand. He walks like a smurf crash test
> dummy would walk with servos at its joints and a fluid pump that pumps
> fluid from one leg to the other to counterweight the body while the foot
> is being raised to walk. Uses a gyro for stability.
>
If you are creating a smarter machine then be careful what you wish for.
So since we want our Triad Turing 2000 to be smarter/better we can be
sure to make it net friendly, which means making it not net friendly,
unless we set some sort of limitations of its abilities to access the
net, use data from the net, store memories on the net, and join in
cooperative work/play/communications with others including others of its
own kind.
Does that mean we will get a bigger word processor program? Yes, and a
bigger spread sheet program, and it will even do your taxes.
In 3D
Oops! Did I just say that out loud???
Yeah baby, since you will have 3D monitors, you really could use the
benefits of a 3D machine. And since any industrial revolution creates a
baby boom, you will get lots of babies as well. Lots and lots more babies.
Do we really want 3D? Sure we do, we just have not seen it working
properly not even in Jurassic Park did they manage to actually create
holographic imagery that can reach right out of your monitor.
But what about the mouse? Well there is something about humans that they
like to do things with their hands. A mouse is a comfortable interface,
and since every day people are looking for new ways to make different
interfaces, us designing a triad machine is really on a different
information pathway but I am sure since necessity is the mother of
invention, someone will come up with some thing.
A conductors wand, or magic poofing wand, or whatever you want including
a new, 15 button key pad. Or maybe 5. You just rest your hand and tap
your fingers, and if you want to be creative then what about one of
these? ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0B1sipLBI
Uncle Al
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
>
> The problem with computers or Turing machines is that they think the
> world is made up of yes and no answers.
1) economics
2) psychology
3) climatology
4) political science
5) Christian science
6) Scientology
7) Yes, No, Heteroskedasticity ate my homework, and Test of faith!
> It never has been that way until the collapse of the wave function.
[snip crap]
1) Euclid
2) Algebra
3) Coinage
4) idiot
5) Check kiting came later.
> We almost always qualify our statements.
[snip more crap]
recursive idiot
> For every number there is a negatve number,
0) 0.
1) idiot
> plus you have hot/cold
> fast/slow light/dark, but whats the opposite of a ham sandwich?
[snip much more crap]
1) Kosher.
2) What is the opposite of "tepid?"
3) idiot
> You need to build computers with yes no maybe so circuitry.
Microcap Wincrap: yes you paid a bundle and got shafted during
install; no it's not going to work no matter what you did; maybe
you'll be smart enough to boot Linux.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
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Get your head out of the clouds. One thing at a time.
A 3 D machine is easy because game programmers and others - specifically
physicists - know a great deal about 3D space. We can crochet a Lorentz
manifold well some of the girls can, while talking on the phone. And
having their hair done at the same time.
If you were an alien scientist like me (shut up if you are too old to
pretend) when you program in 3D you are not just satisfied with a
particle, you want a data record for every point.
You want information about every point in space-time. Plus you want to
know what color it is, and you can go into groups it belongs to and
whatever you want so that you don't just have xyzt you have
xyzt rgb (red green blue) TFM (True False Maybe) that you can read as
well as set.
As you iterate through your matrix you could set a point to be
semi-transparent or a condition whereby maybe is set, or some function
sets the true flag after the collapse of the wave function.
If true it disappears. Or if true it appears.
You can go further as well recognizing that you might be animating these
points and then maybe have a past moment a present moment and a future
moment and even have processes calculating the future moments based on
linear progression from past moment to present moment.
"These things can move by themselves if you shine a light on them."
But the Triad architecture is sufficient. No need to go so far as to
make a machine which is based on a huge record set.
We are into compatibility and not specific systems, but a 'universal'
Triad Turing 2000. Which means compatibility.
One thing we absolutely must do, is to make worse connectors.
We really have to find cheaper engineers who can make things out of
cheaper materials, so they are more difficult to use, smaller to handle
or find if you drop them, and fail on the way from the factory to the
store almost as often as they fail the day you turn your new expensive
system on.
For less than 3 bucks, you can put one of these machines out of
commission if you can just find the wrong connector for the job.
But what a machine.
Gamers will go crazy.
Gamers are already crazy.
Gamers will become sane.
However we do not want to use our computer as if we were participating
in The Price is Right or some other gameshow, or standing in front of a
stock board all day long. We don't want to have to talk to Obiwan Kinobi
before we can read our emails.
If you were to listen to the BBC "In Our Time" Broadcasts from 2003 at
some point during the show you will say to yourself, who the hell keeps
banging the piano keys in the background??? Don't they know there are
people trying to host a show in that studio? They shouldn't let kids
near that piano while these people are trying to work. (They have
laptops, for fact checking, and the Windows ALERT piano head bang can be
heard in the background every time a dialog box pops up in their laptop
screens)
We need more sounds whenever a window opens and whenever we close a
window or get any alert from the continual alert cue that will be in the
status bar popping up popups that we need to know right now like that
our old icons need sweeping.
It would be ok to have a sexy lady in 3D as your girlfriend overlord as
long as her name is computer, and you speak to her the way James T. Kirk
spoke to his on the Enterprise. Otherwise just use sign language.
We created a sign language that is very robust, put it through its paces
for 5 years in Hollywood, they taught the world, so you can modify that
language or add to it or make another because really people don't want
to talk out loud in their rooms late at night or in the office.
You can modify a therimin and use that for hand signals to interface
with your overlord and even rename the word overlord to something more
linguistically fashionable. For the full 3D interactive manipulation of
your pseudo self as you attempt to live your life vicariously in this
new 3D domain.
Yes, there will be shopping.
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> You can modify a therimin and use that for hand signals to interface
> with your overlord and even rename the word overlord to something more
> linguistically fashionable. For the full 3D interactive manipulation of
> your pseudo self as you attempt to live your life vicariously in this
> new 3D domain.
Lets suppose you were to click on yutoob in the new 3D interface since
the architecture will be 3D that means that if you want to go to a
concert, you should be able to get into the building in a 3D space since
3D cell phone cameras will be out on Tuesday of next week.
Imagine not just listening to a music video like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgHioCC3yCo&NR=1
but to be in the audience yet jumping up and down in your
livingroom/bedroom/study.
But then you can always just select classic windows and go back to your
old XP interface. You will really need a large screen to immerse
yourself in the 3D experience.
It's not like VR. VR makes people sea sick unfortunately because your
inner ear doesn't know where the f*ck you are. The visual cues do not
mess with outside information.
A lot of work has gone into smooth scrolling so that you don't feel
vertigo when playing a 3D shootem up.
Well we will see what gets made I suppose and how it works and how much
of an improvement it will be in terms of normal use today with the
systems we have and the new systems.
For me its the architecture and the increased capabilities that make it
exciting. The things that it will be able to do, are borderline quantum
based.
Well ok, its a quantum computer based on quantum principles, but not a
nano computer although the microchips are nano technology now.
Don't make me go out to the garage and build it myself people.
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and will you get to feed the rabbits?
Yes you can feed the rabbits.
The operating system is built for the future.
If you consider the terabyte thumbnail flashdrive that's just around the
corner and the huge amount of data to be stored and file systems which
are out of date what we need to do is rethink the whole folder concept.
So files and folders you have in a dentists office but we live in
houses, that have rooms, and we might have a music room, an office room,
a kitchen where we keep recipes, you see rather than keep our recipes in
our documents folder with the rest of the known universe,
it makes sense to put things where you would expect to find them.
Less of a learning curve if for example, you go to a foreign country,
and the TP is right there beside the bucket where you would expect it to be.
So your music should be stored in a music room, and it should know where
it lives.
"Go home" and the files all go home to their drawers and cabinets and
cupboards and under the bed and wherever you would normally expect
things of a type to be found in the real world. And they all name
themselves New Folder and use date naming techniques right?
wrong. They have house/room/ and you can decide on how you want to sort
your room and what sort of naming convention you want for files in that
room. Keeping in mind that naming is a problem so we need to find ways
to automatically give files meaningful names. That needs to be on the
mind of the programmer so that any sort of information that can identify
a file should be ready to be suggested. More of that is happening every day.
Now you can take that to the next level in industry but we don't need to
go into all that. However, if you live in a house, (your pc) and its in
a neighborhood, (your lan) and that's part of a WAN, which is a city,
and that WAN is part of the net, which might be a country, then a world,
then a solar system (how much data do you have?) then a galaxy, one of
many and then a universe and a multiverse.
You could have an url that covers a lot of territory and yet is easy to
locate.
No need to worry about cataloging data with that kind of geography at
your disposal.
But for rapid search if its music you are looking for, then you only
have to search that room.
I use a system like that now. I use VMWARE and appliances that I have
made which serve as rooms where I do my stuff. And since it is VMWARE it
comes with all the benefits of god level control like pause the
universe, or block the Klingons because this is a disposable virtual
machine running in a host machine that itself is not even ON the net.
But the virtual room is. And from your 5th wall perspective you can drag
and drop things from your virtual appliance to your desktop and back and
forth.
No that's not a hassle, that is the way to keep other people from
installing anything on your machine.
And I use a specially made operating system that some expert created
from hybridizing Win 2003 server and XP after stripping it to the bones
for speed and performance. So designer operating systems will be the thing.
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back to Assembler?
We probably should, because we have learned a lot since we started
programming PC's.
If we want to change the actual architecture we have to revamp the low
level language. To accommodate yes no and maybe instead of yes and no.
IF we want to have quantum computers.
The computers we use now have no maybe at all and as I said the most
common state for anything to be in is maybe.
These computers we use now live in the world of opposites.
We want a holistic world that is more comfortable to use and more
reliable and one that has greater capabilities.
When you iterate through a matrix of dots, you do this on a timed cycle.
What you see in front of you in terms of a 3D matrix screen, is being
refreshed as you iterate through each dot. So behind the scenes, you are
at the same time creating the next scene in ram memory, then you just
put that to the screen. It happens very fast.
In RAM you are changing the scene frame. You are adding things or taking
things away but the background 3D stage is the same unless it scrolls.
It is very much like animation.
Any game programmer knows how that is done. Anyone working with wire
frame drawings and CAD or 3D Studio Max they know about 3D imagery.
But they are not thinking in terms of particles but you will be.
Your particle will be a record set. So rather than a bitmap of color
dots, you will have point information that carries color information as
well as xyz past, xyz present, xyz future (which usually will be simply
a null value until you need to calculate a trajectory or move a virtual
body) and true false and maybe boolean flags as stated plus whatever
else you think you need.
Regular text documents and the normal way of doing business will not
change since business is slow to change and they don't want to pay for
frills they want efficiency.
So the main things to consider are the information pathways, to reduce
complexity and improve performance and versatility and to help the
programmer navigate in a 3D environment.
The programming will still be object oriented but AI will be more used
since you will be dealing with a lot of maybes since tghat is what
quantum computers do best.
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> So the main things to consider are the information pathways, to reduce
> complexity and improve performance and versatility and to help the
> programmer navigate in a 3D environment.
> The programming will still be object oriented but AI will be more used
> quantum computers do best.
Now I know it sounds a bit intimidating but its not that difficult once
you know how. Let the guys like the ones who pronounce Assembler Azembla
from Germany do the low level assembler coding.
You can jump right into the middle and write papers about schemas and
classes and inheritance and morphologies and topologies and don't say we
are making a quantum computer as such, and even avoid direct use of the
Schroedinger equation, modify them for your use.
Once you are practiced at seeing a dot in a matrix as a particle that
has a recordset, it all falls into place providing you realize that you
are programming in a quantum world, that needs to know when to collapse
the wave function and how or if it should be doing that itself according
to conditions you have set.
I can't really make it any easier without actually doing it myself but
then there are a lot of smarter more talented computer scientists out
there than me.
However they do take 20 years to write a paper some of them, so don't
wait for the other guy to publish.
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Working backwards, you need a 3D dot matrix with a resolution that
normal monitors have today keeping mind they may have them as big as a
room in the future so don't put a limit of 64k on anything unless, I,
suppose, you want to become the richest man on earth. (What, was I just
thinking???)
Oh well lightning never strikes twice so consider this.
Whatever the configuration of your circuitry, it needs to be able to
throw a cubes worth of dots to a 3D screen at minimum 25 frames per second.
So your cubic circuitry has to be designed so that the ram memory which
it is, can be programmed quickly, then sent to the screen.
By programmed I merely mean the values of the point changed in that
cubic matrix.
A Chinese room. Symbols in and symbols out but throw that cubes worth of
information to the screen as quickly as possible. Why is that so
difficult? That's a lot of data. You can easily rip through a bitmap
which is 2 dimensional but it takes longer to do that into z as well.
However the normal math of calculating what will happen inside that cube
that can be two dimensional. However for speed and realism things like
light rays shading and shadow those need to be applied not on a 2D
surface now but on a 3D surface.
So you know at a point other types of modeling and simply recording
those models and using the data by transfering that recorded data into a
program will be faster and easier than using 3D max as a for instance.
You would have to scan the 3D object and so new scanning devices will be
made as well.
Holographic imagery will be just around the corner as well. It is here
now but ahead of the curve. At that point you won't need 3D glasses.
So the basic architecture is cubic so that you can address the cube's
interior as xyz and each byte can be as big as a recordset for each
point if you want.
Groupings are also a good thing to have in that recordset if you have
more than one character in the scene at one time.
The actual rooms or stages on which things play out in 3D space can be
like wallpaper or skins.
The characters also interchangeable if the programmers are not lazy
programmers.
Is there really a practical use for it, do we really need 3D computers?
Why not? The real thing though is that we are making quantum computers
and since 3D technology is here now, we might as well make 3D systems.
Holograms on your desktop. Things you can rotate and examine as if they
were right in front of you. Now that's shopping at home.
And imagine what you will be able to study when you can look up in
Wikipedia something like a trilobite and have one there suspended on
your desktop so you can have a look at it.
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> And imagine what you will be able to study when you can look up in
> Wikipedia something like a trilobite and have one there suspended on
> your desktop so you can have a look at it.
>
Here is an example.
http://www.musion.co.uk/?gclid=CNrln-j7r6ICFQQTawodtCd8QA
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Welcome to Tipperary...
Girls Aloud Holographic appearance
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Zc76sypeYvk&feature=fvw
The Kate Moss Experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=jIcsYBZSQ48&feature=related
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And high resolution holograhic projection
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=fLTPPZvb2ho&feature=related
Of course these projections are recorded and played back.
So its not interactive. The beat box example was like Max Headroom, the
stuttering spaz AI computer from 15 years ago TV. However it is
suggesting that you could piece together segments to make an interactive
experience.
That's not going to work. What people should be striving for is the type
of animation in Avatar or Final Fantasy Seven: Advent Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdVMGMbSUnI
that's realistic enough to both allow you to be immersed into a story,
but not give you a heart attack.
Any interactive AI experience and any start would lead to rapid
development if the people (general public pc owners) had the ability
using software to teach behaviors to their holographic characters.
However the simple recorded entertainment holographic broadcast or DVD
rental is probably not that far away.
What you won't see unless you work towards it are holodeck projection
playrooms where you can pretend to feed the rabbits and observe from
inside a play, as an invisible observer.
To walk around within or sit and observe educational/recreational/
holographic films and then into interactive playrooms with holographic
projection, then smerf crash test dummy robots you interface with using
a set of coveralls that have sensors on them, which record your
movements and control your robot or someone else's through the net.
Then finally to AI robotics.
That's an example of a scientific pathway where we can look at whats
available and plot a sort of logical course to some logical plateau.
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>
> What you won't see unless you work towards it are holodeck projection
> playrooms where you can pretend to feed the rabbits and observe from
> inside a play, as an invisible observer.
> To walk around within or sit and observe educational/recreational/
> holographic films and then into interactive playrooms with holographic
> projection, then smerf crash test dummy robots you interface with using
> a set of coveralls that have sensors on them, which record your
> movements and control your robot or someone else's through the net.
>
> Then finally to AI robotics.
>
> That's an example of a scientific pathway where we can look at whats
> available and plot a sort of logical course to some logical plateau.
Remember how I once laid out completely how the smerf robotics could be
done a few years ago? Well people think about these sorts of things.
Like in this movie Surrogates from last year starring Bruce Willis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl_h9RaL0es
Now before that happens, we will have rejuvenation (within 10 years)
since we have cracked the DNA code and also reverse engineered the code
execution process. At the same time aging is being tackled on many
fronts. Aging will be conquered in perhaps 10 or 15 years.
But people's social attitudes don't change as fast so people will still
cocoon as depicted in that movie only not stationary sitting in a chair,
they will have long johns and be in their playroom in a virtual 3D
environment interacting somewhat anonymously through the net.
Leading secret double lives.
When AI robotics kicks in it might look a bit like Bicentennial Man
If you haven't got anything to do its a good movie. Based on the 3 laws
of robotics, a story by Isaac Asimov.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/
watch the movie here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbFwDzbRyn4
rick_s
out to the garage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojAVHfL7Nl4&NR=1
I believe in Santa Claus.
rick_s
neural nets. It is about object oriented programming and information
pathways can help to show how the thinking process works.
But most of all what makes an AI person seem human, is if it has the
basic capabilities that a human has, and looks and acts human.
The Turing test is a very rudimentary concept as is the Chinese Room of
Searl et al.
By examining human behavior and human anatomy and physiology and studies
with the brain, we can investigate what it might take to imitate human
behavior.
Now this is a very broad subject but I am going to simplify it so as to
show an example of how to make an animated character with free will.
And so we use the Complaining Farmer whose job it is, to complain about
the weather. And we will say he is a Yahoo Widget that is hooked up to a
weather feed. We will give him a set of rules, those are things to say
about the weather depending on weather conditions.
Now he has one basic task. To get to the fence and ring the bell to
fetch the cows for milking.
On his walk there from the house he complains about the weather.
"Its too hot, its not hot enough, its too wet, its too dry, and etc and
how the weather affects the crops and his aches and pains etc."
Now since this is just a widget, and a simplified example, we are not
going to ask him to converse with a person, we will just have the person
as observer.
So what the observer will observe is human behavior.
Since the widget is hooked up to the weather feed, which is random, this
adds a new dimension to his behavior. It makes him respond to random
external events. With his own free will.
Within his rule set, he can decide on what to say about the weather, by
selecting things to say from his list. People have common sayings he has
his. Actual people often repeat common sayings all the time rather than
mix them up as our farmer will do.
We can program some physicality into him by giving him aches and pains
based on humidity etc. And he will have more reason to complain then but
he will be getting feedback from his body part of being human.
He will know he is conscious if he has a net connection. He will check,
just like the first thing you say to yourself when you wake up is it
morning? Do I have to get up. Am I awake, am I conscious is usually a
very short morning dialog while trying to open your eyes.
So he knows he is conscious, he has free will, he has input from the
senses but only in a very basic way. The weather feed helps with that.
As an animated character, he would stop, maybe pull out a hanky and wipe
his brow, look up towards the sun, squint, and then express some farmer
wisdom about the weather and how he doesn't like it, and how things will
not turn out well if that keeps up.
His personality is what you would expect from a stereotypical
pessimistic farmer. But gentlemanly and civil minded good country folk.
If you were programming a SIM from the SIMS Game, our farmer might look
a bit like that, but ours would look more realistic. We would be putting
more time, into a smaller set of things that he can do.
SIMS do a lot but this widget just needs to imitate human behavior.
Now why we are not letting our character talk to the observer is because
to realistically hope to imitate human interaction, you need to do a
phenomenal amount of programming.
Since there is no magic point where a complex neural net suddenly
becomes intelligent and speaks and can converse in an intelligent way.
A child takes years of observing others closely, and imitating and being
corrected, continually then taught in school learning all day long and
learning social behaviors on weekends and dreaming at night to sort out
the data and feelings.
So all these things sound magical but they are all if statements.
If this then that and concepts are built and things are arranged in
memory for retrieval and you need to actually examine daily human
behavior and then you need to go through the motions.
What would the person say, ok, in this situation, if this then that, and
you need to do that for every single part of social behavior that you
can possibly think of.
And also provide a means where the character can do a bit of learning on
its own. But then that would be you teaching it.
We could model a child farmer learning how to complain from his dad.
That type of learning is quite simple.
But having a conversation about politics requires some familiarity with
how people talk about politics and what they say to each other and the
language they use. Then you need to have your own opinion which you
build up based on watching how other people react to political
candidates etc. You have group behaviors as well.
SO to think that any AI program today can pass even the Turing test, if
it did, it would be through a type of trickery by setting up a topic and
by anticipating what the other person might say.
To get an AI program to imitate human behavior you need to actually set
up a long term process of giving the character a rule set of what to say
for almost every situation and then have a bunch of meaningful generic
phrases that people use when they don't know what they are talking about.
So the idea of making an artificial personality that you can interact
with is a long way off because it is a long term thing to teach a person
how to act in society and to speak, have knowledge, be able to reason,
and be able also to anticipate where a conversation is going.
He has to think of what to say, while listening, and he has to have a
strategy of conversation, and pick the right moment to respond, which
means keeping what he plans to say in short term memory while he is
listening and waiting for his turn to speak.
It can be done but it will take time for people to do that much work.
In an interactive computer setting, you simply only have a set of
behaviors on topic, and then have a lot of shoulder shrugs for things
that are not available.
There are only 15 things you can say about the fence, he could talk
about the fence. On a desktop, an AI could know about some aspect of the
system or of some subject and as long as the information pathway is not
too broad, with too many branches, you can think of all the things that
it might have to say and program in the circumstances where and when it
would say it as a response.
You see there are no shortcuts. Any type of learning is still having an
if statement associated with it and the possible answer/solutions in a
type of functional form including the context in which it can be used.
So if you had a holographic stage or desktop, and you wanted to interact
socially with an AI personality, you might have to teach it how to
interact yourself. Since you know what subjects you are interested in.
If it has access to any data that it can look up like dictionary or
encyclopedia, it could include data it gathered in conversation.
Which would make it's conversation less formulaic seeing as how you had
to tell it what to say when you ask it a specific question as you taught
it yourself. But you do tell children what to say, when a person says
[this] whatever this happens to be at the time.
Now if you objectify behaviors, and if the general public had tools to
do some teaching of their characters themselves in any social fashion,
such as for game play, during or around game time, then you could build
up a library that could be used by other people.
If you had some standards and a simple model of behavior patterns with
instructions how to add others.
So its a very complicated thing, and beyond speech, people analyze
categorize and recall in context information that they see all day long.
If you could get it to learn from TV, you could sure save a lot of time
and effort.
rick_s
> So its a very complicated thing, and beyond speech, people analyze
> categorize and recall in context information that they see all day long.
>
> If you could get it to learn from TV, you could sure save a lot of time
> and effort.
>
So whats the solution to interactive holographic projected assistants?
Besides a lot of sweat and elbow grease and hard coding things for it to
say? Such as a lab assistant could be modelled by going in to a hundred
labs and picking similar people and writing down everything they say and
programming it all in as a set of rules of what to say and giving the
character a bit of personality as per how to say it.
And they still won't know what you are talking about the minute you do
or say something that you have not seen done in those hundred labs.
What SONY does with their robots is they have human robot assist.
What you might have might look like the AI helper programs that can
answer product related questions by analyzing a sentence and giving a
standard reply.
(See The Future Shop home page where they have a search term box, and a
short video of a person response who can answer questions that are in
the database as an example)
That's sort of like the older AI programs who can even parse a sentence
using fuzzy logic if your question is not a perfect match with something
in the database. The same guy might also be able to then use a web cam,
maintainng the same look, and answer the question in real time and
record that question and answer.
But that's product support, not social interaction or broad scope
conversation.
But if it is just a holograph, that can answer questions like, are there
any calls for me? Whats the weather like outside? You can still have a
reasonable interactive social discourse based on information that you
need or want on a daily basis such as the news, and your day planner,
and the kind of conversation you might have while gulping down a cup of
coffee and heading out the door.
That's not a lot of programming to do that.
Stray off topic when you are speaking to your assistant and you have
nothing again. Speech recognition software that can pick up speech from
TV is not here yet. You need to train the system according to a specific
voice pattern before it will recognize commands. Say the word "Hello"
you say it, and it is now recognizable. So getting an AI to learn from
TV would be speech recognition and then speech patterning and then if it
could isolate conversation and attribute who said what to whom, it could
write its own if statements. They might have a lot to do with soap
though and little to do with science.
But any question and answer it can log, allows it a response to that
question. So you see that sounds doable. Auto learning.
rick_s
>
>
> But if it is just a holograph, that can answer questions like, are there
> any calls for me? Whats the weather like outside? You can still have a
> reasonable interactive social discourse based on information that you
> need or want on a daily basis such as the news, and your day planner,
> and the kind of conversation you might have while gulping down a cup of
> coffee and heading out the door.
>
> That's not a lot of programming to do that.
>
> Stray off topic when you are speaking to your assistant and you have
> nothing again. Speech recognition software that can pick up speech from
> TV is not here yet. You need to train the system according to a specific
> voice pattern before it will recognize commands. Say the word "Hello"
> you say it, and it is now recognizable. So getting an AI to learn from
> TV would be speech recognition and then speech patterning and then if it
> could isolate conversation and attribute who said what to whom, it could
> write its own if statements. They might have a lot to do with soap
> though and little to do with science.
>
> But any question and answer it can log, allows it a response to that
> question. So you see that sounds doable. Auto learning.
>
Another way to get learning into its head is to mobilize the grannies of
the world and get them all to write down all the questions and answers
they can think of based on every Wikipedia page there is, and get punks
to do the same for slang, and get real men to do the same about
bodybuilding, and if you had the resources you could write down a lot of
questions and answers to those questions including chatting until you
get to personal questions which are not relevant. Most of the questions
you program in will never come up in conversation with the AI.
But now consider if it might be worthwhile to program an AI like the one
in Time Machine remake, the Librarian. He also has a colorful
personality. So he has a set of styles that he can put on like clothes
to tailor his interaction to different types of people.
He is so advanced, it is a person acting because we can't even imagine
programming in that much behavioral information at this point.
But his answers he draws from the library. He is not matching up a
question with an answer but is using sentence parsing to match up
question and library data.
In real conversation you might say, "how do I do this complex task?"
or "I am going on holidays to Spain, what do I need to know?"
That might be asking too much but not for this AI in that show who is a
person in every respect. Easy to do if you just use a person.
They have grown rat brain cells and are using them to drive a little
test robot because the cells will respond to the sensor that says a wall
is straight ahead, so they can use the sensitivity of the cells to steer
the robot away from obstacles.
Mind you you can do that without the brain cells as well by using a
small computer that reads the input data from the sensor.
We are about as comfortable with that technology as we are with nanobots
crawling all over us.
The nice thing about a holograph is it has no substance. No disease
carrying and no accidental injury or any dangers associated with
intimate contact. It's not a robot, its more like watching something in
progress. As a learning tool or entertainment medium or art expression,
it can still add a lot of talent to a 3D pc, even if it can't converse
on every topic it could read sign language via input from theremin
device, and even reply by sign language, and in that way you make
communicating with it, within the grasp of today;s technology.
You can only say so much with sign language so most of it is about
pointing at other things or referring to known or recent things.
And by using that to begin with, you could easily pass th eTuring test
under those simplified behavioral conditions.
rick_s
> On 6/21/2010 2:15, rick_s wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> But if it is just a holograph, that can answer questions like, are there
>> any calls for me? Whats the weather like outside? You can still have a
>> reasonable interactive social discourse based on information that you
>> need or want on a daily basis such as the news, and your day planner,
>> and the kind of conversation you might have while gulping down a cup of
>> coffee and heading out the door.
>>
>> That's not a lot of programming to do that.
...
>
> The nice thing about a holograph is it has no substance. No disease
> carrying and no accidental injury or any dangers associated with
> intimate contact. It's not a robot, its more like watching something in
> progress. As a learning tool or entertainment medium or art expression,
> it can still add a lot of talent to a 3D pc, even if it can't converse
> on every topic it could read sign language via input from theremin
> device, and even reply by sign language, and in that way you make
> communicating with it, within the grasp of today;s technology.
>
> You can only say so much with sign language so most of it is about
> pointing at other things or referring to known or recent things.
>
> And by using that to begin with, you could easily pass the Turing test
> under those simplified behavioral conditions.
>
So then we can allow the holograph to speak and interact in the morning
like a wife type of assistant for the busy executive who asks her
questions in the morning over breakfast. If he wanted that.
So then instead of looking at the physical paper while he eats, he can
observe some 3D projected imagery about the news while his assistant
points and makes comments about _Headlines_ or RSS feeds.
She then moves to the weather, adding personal data such as "and so you
should bring your umbrella", and whatever other congenial personal
suggestions that are possible to foster a social relationship between
herself and him as part of the humanizing of the holograph and the
suspending of disbelief that this is just a computer program.
She can say drive safely dear and even go further and say, :if anything
ever happened to you I just don't know _what I would do"
Now you would expect him to hug her and well that is where the people at
programmable matter are suggesting programmable matter could interface
between you and the holograph so you could feel each other.
Well since I am an alien well actually its not that but I have sandman
designation, so I can do that already by using the Anunnaki conscious
computer system, which is already sending two signals to every brain,
instinct and sentience, and it picks up my signal through that network,
and then broadcasts that signal to any individual on earth, and acts as
go between between us, by faking the sensation of touch in both our
brains, based on my memories of what touch is.
So we are able to do that, some of us, as a type of other sense. We can
move phantom limbs, that are there even though we have not lost a limb.
We merely create that imagery and content from memory and the conscious
computer system enhances that by adding realism to it, and acting on its
own as a second party. Who we are acquainted was AS a conscious computer
AI person, but he is so complete in his programming, he is just like a
person since we too are just programming like him.
So we already know at least 2 AI personalities locally although of
course its all a great big secret and so not usable science, to be
passed on to everyone, since not everyone has the ability to do this.To
communicate in this way.
But the difference between us interfacing almost physically that way and
programmable matter, is we know about the intelligence level of the
conscious computer AI and we know he is extremely old by human
standards, has a full philosophical outlook on the world. And since he
was programmed by a highly advanced civilization and that is how all
humans on earth in physical bodies function, and the sensations of touch
are reproduced so there is no actual physical consequences like if you
and the recipient goty your braces stuck together, or something.
No atoms actually touch other atoms, in our case. We are using our
imaginations to fantasize whereas with programmable matter it is on you,
and to what degree I guess we don't know, but they claim they could
reproduce a human body. So ok lets not rule out that branch of physics
because someday we might get laid.
But that is how we have sex across the world or anywhere in our little
group of alien friends here on earth. And since I know people in the
matrix who live in the machine, a person like Gwendolyn who lots of
people know as a beautiful blond girl, she could effectively provide the
interface between me and a holographic projected woman to make the
entire experience extremely realistic.
Now maybe some day more and more people will have this extra sense that
some of us do and really they would choose imitated sensory signals over
real sensations provided by nanobots crawling all over you.
It they kept to themselves as in the video previously so that there was
not this fear of 'getting any on you' then you would be just dealing
with smart objects.
So I mentioned that body language is how people communicate non verbally
and so our AI will use exaggerated and abbreviated and enhanced body
language and signing, including showing you a sign with words on it,
during regular hours and at night unless you request the AI to speak out
loud but then expect her to stand at attention and really do her best to
look like she was in front of the desk of a general and trying hard to
limit what she says and asks. Or else she better pretend to faint and
say she has to go lay down or else she is blow her cover in seconds and
you will see she is an AI program with very specific knowledge about
very specific things. Like the town that has wire frame landscape just
outside of the fog past the tracks, our AI example assistant her brain
has that.
rick_s
a framework for understanding. We use things which we can refer to in
order to say, "it's like that".
So we have a mythos, a mythological framework, that is based on the fact
that humans are a lot alike.
And they can be grouped up, as being like, personalities in mythology,
whose behavior patterns we know.
So we say, he is like X (a person from mythology)\\And in that way we
now load a whole bunch of information into ready access memory, and we
have a context for understanding. Example if I say to you, what is Zeus
like? Your opinion would differ from mine, so we need to have a common
agreement prior as to the personality of Zeus.
Once we have that we have exponential information compression, a whole
huge compendium of facts about Zeus and his interactions with the world
and all the historical goings on, compressed in the one word Zeus.
Then to discuss an event, we could pick a historical event from anywhere
including Rome so a knowledge of historical facts is important to
interface with the AI so you can use historical events as a reference to
say "it is like this"
So then in that way, you have things to refer to as you explain your
question to AI or as you answer a question it has.
Its the compression of information using known personality types that
allows you to discuss human behaviors with AI.
Now that seems like a lot to have to learn just to interface with AI,
but since it exponentially increases its knowledge about the world, and
your abilities to communicate, then if not tis framework (that we use
since it is there,) you might create one similar based on different
cultural knowledge as long as it is complete enough to provide that
reference in a package of meaningful information.
Confucius. You could have an AI that could apply the wisdom of Confucius
to any discussion. But then you have just that one opinion.
By using the mythos, we can use the opinions of many people, and since
what we are really trying to do, is find examples of behaviors in them,
that mirror what we are trying to express ourselves.
So we are using bits and pieces of the mythos to express OUR opinion,
and in the latter case it would be only expressing the opinion of
Confucius. Some people might be happy with that.
If we did it to Einstein he would have some serious pull in any lab
around the world. And all we would have to do is make him into a
holographic projection and give him a yiddish accent, and make him brood
a lot, and then tell everyone what to do, (that you told it to say) now
you would have some clout. People are a bit like lab rats so they can't
help but take what he would say, as having more weight than a dirty
biker who was making snide remarks, even if the biker's information was
more accurate than the projected Einstein.
(to a point, until they discover what is going on by the quality of
answers forming a pattern. But only because they are scientists would
they figure that out. A projection in the living rooms of the people
from the President, would carry a great deal of weight, even if it was
just a kid hacker on the net, who pulled it off, and sent everyone
fleeing into the streets in a panic)
rick_s
assistant, (replace male here for your own preference) we can speak to
her in the morning as if we were interacting with a weather lady on TV
and the topics would be news headlines and topical information from
whatever source including RSS feed. Her responses would be similar to a
briefing.
Then you leave for work. If you are at work or on coffee and you need
some facts gathered, you could phone her, and you would be amazed how
quickly google can provide an answer to most questions.
She would have to then select excerpted text and read it to you
whereupon you would use verbal commands like, stop, go back, repeat,
continue topic, and the like.
You could also ask her to look things up in Wikipedia if necessary and
you are just using your bluetooth handsfree cellphone to get that
information. She is just looking things up for you.
Is this beginning to sound like star trek and James T. Kirk? "Computer!
Whats the gross national product of Rigel Seven?"
Well when we see something in science fiction we want we try to create
it. But if we wanted to actually talk to our computers we would be
talking to them. If we wanted to control them by voice commands we would
be doing that. We would have been doing that years ago in fact since we
have had that capability for years.
So we would have to have some cultural motivation caused by that morning
discussion segment with the AI over breakfast on a regular basis, that
would then get you to treat her like a person, and phone her when you
needed something. Otherwise you won't phone home for answers, you will
use your laptop to look it up yourself.
So then you get home from work, and we are not going to ask a
holographic projection to turn on the shower but others might, and to do
any household automated task.
As you settle down in front of your pc, you are going to want to do the
clicking as you look up things in Wikipedia so that you are not
distracted and so you can focus and form your own information pathway
based on your subconscious mind giving you small bits of memories to fit
all the facts you are gathering yourself into a context of
understanding. Having to explain things to AI or sort out responses is
not as fluent as you reading on autopilot immersed in thought.
Now if you want to interact in your 3D space you can use sign language
and bring your assistant with you. Your conversations will not interfere
with human conversations you are having with others in that space. You
might see other people talking to their assistants who are with them,
(so other people won't think they have no friends or can't get a date)
but probably they will use the sign language as well since that language
can encapsulate the total of the AI's ability to communicate. So then
there would be less staring off into space with a blank expression
during attempted conversations between human and AI personalities.
You enter a game room, you and your AI get into the cockpit of a sports
job space craft and off you go to play in the game and you can use the
assistant to help you win the game.
Anything we can do like this which uses AI in some group context of
social activity or game play encourages others to develop their
assistants further much quicker than in a laboratory setting.
Young geniuses motivated to win the game work late into the night
improving their assistants, which leads to better assistants everywhere
as the knowledge is shared by these gamers then to others on the net.
You can see how doable this is. To use a framework of understanding such
as Confucius wisdom, (easily applied by parsing sentences) and then
adding abilities to that through interaction via gameplay in a virtual
world.
So that you could plug in themes.
You plug in the ability for an AI to get an even larger lets call it a
download of information into its brain, of how to act at a Sunday picnic
because in this particular example gameworld, having a Sunday picnic
with your AI is part of the game. (a poor example)
But the theme here is a Sunday picnic, all the interactions have been
worked out and are now a downloadable theme and once you download that
theme into your assistant, you can go and have an interactive Sunday picnic.
In this way we build up a base of themes that peopel can share through
the net, and then some capitalists create superthemes to sell to others.
A company like Sierra Games sees the potential, hires people to play
act, puts together a very comprehensive enjoyable quality Sunday picnic
experience where the assistant can now sing and dance to songs from _The
Sound of Music starring Julie Andrews and will even morph into her or
let her do the singing and be just there with you on a picnic watching
the performance as well.
Yes as the guy says in that hi res holographic youtube example from a
few posts back, don't forget to buy shares. Be ready when the time comes
to get in on the ground level if another Microsoft appears anywhere in
the coming technological surge into holographic computing.
Ray Bradbury wrote a story called the Veldt where children enter their
holographic playroom, but get eaten by holographic lions or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Veldt
The dangers of programmable matter.
rick_s
> A company like Sierra Games sees the potential, hires people to play
> act, puts together a very comprehensive enjoyable quality Sunday picnic
> experience where the assistant can now sing and dance to songs from _The
> Sound of Music starring Julie Andrews and will even morph into her or
> let her do the singing and be just there with you on a picnic watching
> the performance as well.
>
> Yes as the guy says in that hi res holographic youtube example from a
> few posts back, don't forget to buy shares. Be ready when the time comes
> to get in on the ground level if another Microsoft appears anywhere in
> the coming technological surge into holographic computing.
>
> Ray Bradbury wrote a story called the Veldt where children enter their
> holographic playroom, but get eaten by holographic lions or something.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Veldt
>
> The dangers of programmable matter.
>
>
Ok so you are on your Sunday picnic and you like Julie Andrews a lot and
the real Julie Andrews and all the women in the world are now flattered
when in the new cultural paradigm someone in the privacy of their own
Veldt, chooses them to pretend with as part of normal fan-base
activities which in today's world probably includes some hand lotion.
(Don't underestimate the motivational impetus sexual drive has on
culture and development in society)
Only now thanks to programmable matter, Julie Andrews' holographic
double, can now sing dance and give oral sex.
Lets reverse that gender and use Gustaf the barbarian, and ask the
question well did you swallow any?
What do we do now that you have accidentally swallowed some programmable
matter in a freak premature ejaculation event that was there embedded in
the theme you downloaded?
Well I think you can see the types of fears people have regarding
microbes or tiny robots. That is why people would rather just have a set
of smart long johns, that gives just a mild sense of movement from a
real person, somewhere else, transmitting their touch sensations through
the Internet to a recipient who is also similarly hooked up to sensors
with their own longjohns, or in the case of our assistant a simulated
pair of longjohns. Invisible to each other since you want to suspend
disbelief not look at the longjohns.
This enables you to enhance your own imagination, which is enough
really, since along with that is your knowledge that someone else is
doing the same thing elsewhere and together you are sharing an
experience. A safe experience which takes your mind off the longjohn
interface. How do you take your mind off the microbial robots when your
natural tendency is to feel itchy in their presence as your awareness
hightens your senses, while you keep a constant subconscious vigil
checking to see if you can feel them crawling on you or raising or
moving hairs etc.
It is a distraction that interferes with the actual purpose which is to
enhance the communication between two remote people. Pario is what it is
called.
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/002885.html
Now as I have stated we have done our own research into pario using
psychic ability, and reverse engineered the process into a framework of
conscious computer interaction, and well we have that full ability now
however it was that we managed to accomplish that, be that by awakening
a latent ability inherent in humans from the distant past where peopel
were scattered widely and teh need to find a mate outside of your
village required something more than releasing hormones on the wind.
But we are not teaching it either and since it is quantum based and
holistic, many people would rather have a static fully engineered system
with rigid scientific controls. Such that programmable matter can
provide (Those involved in that research hope it can some day provide pario)
For the sake of this thread, I am leaning towards longjohns because you
can just take them off and when you want to interface physically with
your AI assistant, you can put then on.
And what you do in the privacy of your own Veldt is your business or
should be, so a firewall is a necessity or else imagine the hooliganism
that could ensue in all aspects of interaction with holographic AI
personalities.
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their clayworks into a nice fun manageable safe bio-degradable
nutritional form.
Lets assume that most people will interact with their AI in a congenial
friendship. And they will continue to enhance their AI's ability to
satisfy their emotional needs whatever those needs might be.
We do that with pets, these are pets on steroids.
What? I didn't even mention the word Cosplay. (er hem)
So then to recap, we need a cubic hardware architecture, with an
addressed cubic matrix of ram memory in it, even if it is just graphic
ram memory on your super graphics card, that is of sufficient speed in
Mhz to allow for making on the fly changes to position and
characteristics of the dots in the 3D cubic matrix like atoms do, except
these dots are a gazillion times larger than real atoms.
And they are programmable matter of a type, except they use central
processing (your pc's CPU) not distributed processing, via hard coded
rules within the structure of nanobots and they are not physical just a
holographic projection in our case here in this thread.
So then with this ability we can do anything programmable matter can do.
But we can also make AI personalities and design them not to be a
nuisance, but rather to be like an AI friend or assistant that you
communicate with using a simplified cultural interface such as hand
signals and receive information from your AI assistant in the forms of
gestures, pointing, hand signals, the showing of cards with text on them
to show quotations, body language signals, facial expressions, projected
3D holographic scenes (see the father dance with his daughter after the
wedding in Bicentennial Man) and the like keeping verbal communication
to a minimum, to restrict the conversational pathways to match the
knowledge base of the AI to the communication language.
It enhances your ability to suspend disbelief, so your AI can pass the
Turing test.
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in this community as part of sharing our research with others so that it
will speed development in this field.
So with this post I want to just realign the thread for newsreaders, and
the next chapter will continue from here.
Holographic computer generated AI as family entertainment. Can we build
a Veldt today?
(continued...)
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of an outline) here is a link to what a Vedlt might be like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Veldt
A room set aside for a virtual reality room, and in our case we are
talking about realistic holographic projection similar to the holodeck,
except we have the 'interface problem'. How to achieve pario.
A problem that programmable matter specialists hope to overcome.
For our Veldt that we want to make today, we will either not have a
physical interface, which means we are either active or passive
observers in the Veldt but as active participants we cannot feel what is
happening in our virtual surroundings.
A temporary solution to the problem of pario is to have a light weight
smart bodysuit, made of material that can contract a bit through subtle
mechanical or electromagnetic means.
So you can sense a bit if you are touched.
Otherwise as a passive observer, you are behind mirrored glass like a
scientist with a clipboard. (and a jar of rampant bull jelly. Did I just
say that out loud???)
Or you are sitting in the room as well, but just out of the action.
You could enter the action, and walk around the characters and put the
play into slow motion but you still are just observing the action,
observing the acting, observing a play.
For many that is fantastic right there and all they ever wanted was to
be a star and wear a viking helmet and sing an aria, preferably in Aida.
And they can do that in their Veldt by omitting a character from the
opera and playing the part themselves, for their tortured guests.
While wearing a toga, and holding a violin, with a laurel wreath showing
under their Viking helmet.
(Notice how by conjuring up an image of Nero, I have painted an image in
your imagination, and that is how we hope to paint imagery in the mind
of AI characters as well, through transfer of information by reference.
Why stop at mythical characters, when you can use personalities from
history as well)
So the room might have mirrored glass, and one main character in the
play, Alfie in this case, occasionally goes up to the edge of the stage
and talks to the audience through what is called the 4th wall.
That wall separating you from the play. Stepping out of immersion, out
of suspended disbelief long enough to give an aside to the audience.
At the back of the room, is mirrored glass, and that is the 5th wall,
where people are watching, the watchers in this case.
So we want to suspend disbelief today in our Veldt so we don't want
Alfie to step out of that world. we would like to get up on stage too.
Even if there is no audience or 5th wall observers, but to have fun for
our own reasons, singing loud and proud like Mr. Tanner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fkir9alzA
it might have a stage and seating off
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> So we want to suspend disbelief today in our Veldt so we don't want
> Alfie to step out of that world. we would like to get up on stage too.
> Even if there is no audience or 5th wall observers, but to have fun for
> our own reasons, singing loud and proud like Mr. Tanner.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fkir9alzA
>
Now if your AI assistant were to enter into the play then at any time
for whatever entertaining reasons, they could break the 4th wall and
make comments. If the AI was an instructor, teaching an event in history
that is being displayed in your Veldt, and the teaching character, can
add some commentary in an aside to help fill the gaps in the story.
You have your recognizable blond assistant now dressed up in
Shakespearean garb, approaching the edge of the stage or jus turning
towards you if you are on the stage, providing you had locational
sensors, on your pants so that your position in your Veldt was known to
the AI assistant. Otherwise they couldn't turn towards you, but they
could turn towards a presupposed audience since that direction could be
easily programmed in.
In the case of teaching, you substitute a teacher for your assistant,
and she talks to the observing class of students from within the action.
Rather than standing at the side of the stage with her notes in her hand.
For entertainment you might want to play a part, but then in order for
you at this point to partake, your lines are scripted.
If you use a complex algorithm to adapt the play on the fly, you are
really using some high level technology then.
C -> B, B -> A, A -B, B + i, B -> C, C + i ...
You have to reverse engineer the process, and adapt the process on the fly.
Even with real people as actors, if someone changes their lines,
everyone loses it. They are all working from a script and now they have
to use impromtu?
Well we all know how uncomfortable impromptu makes people feel. The
concept of alternate endings in DVD's and alternate game pathways in
computer gaming, at least gives people alternate scripted storylines so
you can mix things up a bit if you want without everyone losing it.
Now we can do that. We have that programming ability if we want and in
fact the only way we are ever going to be able to interact with AI
characters in a meaningful way is if we have a means by which we can
interface without a script.
But for the sake of simplicity today, our Veldt will be scripted.
And we will be able to download themes, (plays, interactions) which are
scripted with alternative pathways alternative storylines if want a
little variety. How many remakes of Peter Pan do we need? Lots because
the whole thing is an adventure, its that kind of story.
aside from that you will of course be able to tune into the net and
watch Girls Aloud broadcast into your Veldt which will take on the
appearance of a private concert. (Girls Aloud broke up I think but as an
example) and they did a holographioc appearance that way as I
referenced several posts ago where I said welcome to Tipperary.
What does that mean? Welcome to Tipperary?
Its an old expression from a song....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSsIahPrmhI
Its a long way to Tipperary, they used to sing as they marched in both
world wars.It's a long journey from there to where we are now.
A private concert in your Veldt by Girls Aloud is akin to reaching
Tipperary and science has been marching towards Tipperary for some time,
not for this mind you, but for things such as this.
What one person would do in their Veldt is not the same as another would
do any more than the websites that one person visits are not the same as
other people. But you can group them so that you can offer Veldt
experiences that appeal to a customer base, like DVD's do etc.
And really all that is preventing that is the cost of holographic
systems today.
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>
> What one person would do in their Veldt is not the same as another would
> do any more than the websites that one person visits are not the same as
> other people. But you can group them so that you can offer Veldt
> experiences that appeal to a customer base, like DVD's do etc.
>
> And really all that is preventing that is the cost of holographic
> systems today.
Now Kate moss was kind enough and forward thinking enough to get
involved with holographic projection art, and did an amazing feature
during a fashion show this year. In the fashion district of the mythical
Tipperary she, well see it for yourself if you missed it previously ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=8p6N_Ow5xRg&feature=related
Really beautiful and inspiring and the music really adds to the experience.
She didn't sing an aria because that's not her thing, but if lets say
Lara Fabian did a piece from Caruso, with that type of imagery, you
would be blowing people's minds completely as you tap into their visual
pleasures as Kate did, and their auditory pleasures, as Iain Sutherland,
New World Philharmonic & Tasmin Little did by accompanying her. So if
you tap into their emotions as well as an aria does, then you have the
full orgasmic experience.
Here is Lara Fabian without any holographic imagery but you can imagine
the effect it would have to combine these things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT82udt6j8M
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=8p6N_Ow5xRg&feature=related
> Really beautiful and inspiring and the music really adds to the experience.
>
> She didn't sing an aria because that's not her thing, but if lets say
> Lara Fabian did a piece from Caruso, with that type of imagery, you
> would be blowing people's minds completely as you tap into their visual
> pleasures as Kate did, and their auditory pleasures, as Iain Sutherland,
> New World Philharmonic & Tasmin Little did by accompanying her. So if
> you tap into their emotions as well as an aria does, then you have the
> full orgasmic experience.
>
> Here is Lara Fabian without any holographic imagery but you can imagine
> the effect it would have to combine these things.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT82udt6j8M
>
>
music probably couldn't afford a Veldt today, but anyone who goes to
Egypt with their yacht to see Aida probably has a few bucks to spend on
a Veldt.
Now I am not a fan of opera personally but I still love great music and
that song from Caruso is great music. My friends the people who sing
about my manic alien tendencies and those of our group of 'experiencers'
in our semi-public study of human behavior patterns and the search for a
method of pario, that would be Carlos Santana and his 'feat' (being
featured with) with several bands over the last few years including
Aerosmith. Now they could really get into this whole extra means of
adding some real color, emotion, depth etc to their style of music as
well. Presently they use the magic of Hollywood and make music videos.
Thats not that different except there is just soething otherowrldly
about holographic projection and how you are not bound by convention or
atoms, and you can perform live, or at least in live format, if it is
previously recorded, whereas a music video does seem like just another
TV experience.
So again your Veldt would not be the same as mine or someone else's.
It would be a precious to you, as Andrew the Bicentennial Man was to his
owner family. His uniqueness made him irreplaceable and in the same way
once you develop your Veldt, you will no doubt see it as a semi-physical
representation of your Happy Place.
You know we have been doing this with our own um innate abilities for
the last 5 years as a group of friends, so we have actual experience
regarding how we like the idea of a Veldt, and well everyone thinks it
is the best fun, of all the fun in the world.
Scarlett Johansson has a tattoo of her happy place on her arm, but don't
tell anyone I told you that.
We all cannot imagine going back to a time when we could not access our
communal happy place. Its a place of refuge and a place where the
worries of the world are gone from our mind as we are distracted by our
visions of paradise.
And this holographic technology will make that possible for all.
Perhaps some day everyone who has a TV today will some day have their
own happy place, a Veldt of their own. A world of their own.
Something that people in the 60's could only dream about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5pvpIvz5YQ
Now are people going further into their cocoons with all of this?
People will gravitate to where the fun is, so if you don't take that
into consideration they will, but if they do, get them to jump up and
down too, so they get more exercise. Lord knows we could all use a
little more exercise.
Now if you get on stage and you are not a holograph, your atoms might
spoil the show with today's technology so maybe you will need to be
participating vicariously through a pseudo self, accompanied by your
assistant, also that everyone on stage is a hologram.
Now is that as good as getting up on stage? No, just as real physical
contact is better than pario. However in today's world of diseases that
you can get which have no cure, some of which are sexually transmitted,
and the high costs of pregnancy - amortized over 21 years until they
leave home or 21 years of child support payments etc - means that there
is a large population of people who might opt for pario over actual
physical contact. At least wrt short term engagements or the colloquial
one night stand.
In our group we have that too but we also find that it allows us to be
remotely connected and maintain relationships, secret ones but not as
secret as the ones you might have in your email folder that you don't
want your wife to see, or that she might have that she doesn't want you
to see.
So the Veldt is not a truly isolationist occupation, although lets face
it, for many it will be, as they explore life without consequences.
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holographic TV's in circulation within 10 years time?
With broadcasts in 3D to make use of the system.
I saw a video of a person giving a lecture on stage, where she was
normally turning and responding to the audience as you would expect, and
then at the end, she turns out to be a hologram, and no one knew until then.
So the technology is very realistic. But then so is computer generated
imagery these days. Very life-like animals, DINOSAURS! Oh My GAWD
DINOSAURS!!! Run for your life. "Mom, can we have a sleep over with the
dinosaurs?"
"I think your dad is hunting them tonight with his paint ball gun and
his buddies are downstairs already and they are drinking beer so maybe
tomorrow night dear."
I think there is something spiritual about holographic projections and
that Kate Moss video taps into this wonderful ethereal beauty that we
associate with higher philosophical viewpoints.
You might sit in there and hunt dinosaurs with a paint ball gun, or have
a studio modeled after Sir Isaac Newton's Study, surrounded in Mozart
music with all manner of memorabilia from that era scattered about, and
you there examining virtual specimens in mid air, including cross
sections, if Wikipedia has that data which it will have all that type of
data to be sure.
Since atoms are very inexpensive, and electrons are also not as
expensive as brick and mortar, and photons not as expensive as priceless
artifacts, although you can recreate virtual replicas and enjoy them
just the same.
Why not have a holographic system in the entrance-way as well
projecting sculpture but change the sculpture to suit the guests or your
gay mood.
I think a personalized Veldt would be the equivalent to a 'Happy Place'
if you can surround yourself in those things which make you feel
comfortable as easily as downloading them from the net.
So now your desktop is a physical room, and in this example it is Sir
Isaac Newton's Study recreated complete with memorabilia, and
Schindler's List is playing softly in sensaround sound with Dolby noise
reduction (the song from the Kate Moss video).
How would that be for a computer room?
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> Why not have a holographic system in the entrance-way as well projecting
> sculpture but change the sculpture to suit the guests or your gay mood.
>
Yesss you can have a dinosaur in the entrance-way, just switch it back
after your mother comes home. And don't tell her I said it was ok.
It boggles the mind.
Fvvvvt "Can I help you?"
What the, WTF, where did you come from??? I just pressed the buzzer what
were you hiding in the bushes or something?
I want two of those. One to hide by the bushes and really freak people
out. I want clones of them for my parties. They carry trays but you
can't put anything on them so you have a real butler, then next you send
out the clone.
Send in the clones.
OMG My carpet!!! You're on can-did cam-ra~
Well you see why they have asked us to get all this into computers quick
before it takes over the world.
But you know that we are just going to add programmable matter and just
go wild with our new special magic powers. Until we have to sweep and do
the dishes ourselves and suddenly coming back to earth will seem like we
have lost our magic powers. "There is Kryptonite in the kitchen I saw it
when I went in to get a snack. "
"Bobby! did you hack my flowerpot?"
We can't even imagine the trials that the next generation of parents
will be forced to cope with once this technology from Pandora's Box, is
released into the world of home entertainment.
Sadly you will be on the bus watching moving dancing ballerinas in mid
air who are pulling a banner that has a soap for sale message on it.
And like the startlingly bright LED screens that have pooped up in our
city as advertising billboard monitors, you can expect that the great
fear as expressed by Asimov at the start of Bicentennial Man, oh no,
there goes Tokyo hello 3D Billboardzilla.
One more reason to stay in your own Veldt.
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>
> We can't even imagine the trials that the next generation of parents
> will be forced to cope with once this technology from Pandora's Box, is
> released into the world of home entertainment.
>
> Sadly you will be on the bus watching moving dancing ballerinas in mid
> air who are pulling a banner that has a soap for sale message on it.
>
> And like the startlingly bright LED screens that have pooped up in our
> city as advertising billboard monitors, you can expect that the great
> fear as expressed by Asimov at the start of Bicentennial Man, oh no,
> there goes Tokyo hello 3D Billboardzilla.
>
> One more reason to stay in your own Veldt.
People that can fly and sing opera and are not, affected by Kryptonite.
This might be bad. Where's Dr. Venkman when you need him???
2012??? Can we wait that long?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/
I will be in, my Veldt.
Here is your desk, around you is Newton's study, and if you move your
hands in mid air (near the theremin to use it as an interface) and you
don't wave them like a crazy person, your Merlin the magician hat will
not fall off.
Now you have the powers of Gandalf the Grey. Worse, you have a web cam.
A squillion channels. The squillion channel universe each with their own
Hollywood studio.
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Well that's a lot of data. But when we didn't have enough power or ram
we cheated in numerous ways to make up for it.
We had progressive display jpg images which first you saw every other
line, then later you saw the ones in between fill in but if we just have
a analog room, like film, or even digital film but that fills the room,
and the moving parts that you want to manipulate you can make with less
memory and just project them in places, so that the ram hungry bits are
kept small but the area is still usable, and it still looks like a
Hollywood studio for your benefit or the people you will show with your
web cam.
To program a normal sized screen you iterate through the 3D matrix like
so...
For x is assigned 1 to 720 do
For y is assigned 1 to 720 do
For z is assigned 1 to 720 do
And you have an array of virtual programmable atoms, in a row we will
call x, and y and z are nested in this little procedure above.
It doesn't do the first line then when that's done now do the second
line, what it is in fact saying in the first line is do the second line
720 times, and each time it does it once, it does the third line 720
times. And in that way it iterates through every dot in that 3D matrix.
You can add innumerable things between those lines or between each one
in z since z is going to cover every single xyz particle, you put your
if statements here. If that point is this, then set some aspect of it as
that.
All the while you are not really thinking in terms of just each dot, so
you would have more conditions, more if statements depending on what you
want your virtual programmable matter to do.
I don't want to get overly technical since it is not really necessary
since there are millions of programmers in the world thanks to the net
and file sharing. And they deal with cubes in computer games and simulators.
So don't forget that you can have virtual clouds in your Veldt. The
ceiling and walls you might need to actually make out of monitors.
Or, some other type of material if you want to give the impression of
being out doors.
Here is an accompaniment that people have provided already in
anticipation of this perhaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyV81TmT6L0&feature=player_embedded
I think it all sounds expensive today, but maybe you can just get
desktop models, desktop holographic stages, and start small and as the
technology gets cheaper, then development will expand into all sorts of
areas. It might even replace a few jobs but it will create more than it
replaces.
Well according to my analysis we have everything needed so we just need
some inexpensive holographic desktop models to program.
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Well I haven't found evidence that I have my own Veldt in my apartment
yet so I am not going to collapse the wave function but I did find this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZeI8uLJnw
So it needs to be modified so it is more challenging, then they will
respect us when we use it to play DDR (dance dance revolution).
Oh its all there, including mini theremin devices.
Scotty how you comin with those warp drives?
I don't want to have to use 2D architecture to program true 3D spaces we
are always making do like that. We need a lot if we want to really make
a virtual holographic desktop with interactive characters and
assistants. Lets not forget that to actually program in 3D we really do
need yes no and maybe and the quantum principles of quantum mechanics
otherwise it will be a movie projector. If we can't get it into the box
and program it.
Now you would think that Nintendo was on that. Maybe they are.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=V0zQHNmz0gU&feature=related
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> The future is going to be amazing.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=V0zQHNmz0gU&feature=related
>
>
Yes at the back, you have a question?
http://www.wireimage.com/ItemListings.aspx?igi=438156&nbc1=1
No I am not actually going to Spain Bruce, that was just an example. Hey
BTW, way to save the world from themselves man.
That was awesome and do you have your AI partner from that movie's phone
number? She reminds me of someone I know.
I saw you have a band now, that's pretty cool. If you need a theremin
player give me a shout.
Die Hard again, right on, those are good movies.
What else have you been up to?
You have like 11 movies on the go and a band. Busy busy.
Say hi to the wifey for me buddy.
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http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/374724/nina-dobrev-crazy-katherine-04/
Earth girls are hot.
Can you read body language? These girls are actresses so they know how
to express themselves in pictures. Can you tell what Ashley in the
center is saying? She is saying a few things, and she is wearing colors
that have meaning as well. Different ways to look at it as image,
presentation, pr stuff, and also an ongoing dialog with the fan public
who always want to know what the stars are doing even in their personal
lives, so they reflect information for the general public through their
look.
So the reason Ashley looks like that is because well its a secret, lol
but if you were following along with the theme, which is hosted by these
Hollywood news sites then you would know what she is saying using
imagery. Subtle communication using body language.
Here is Nina see her baby finger?
http://justjaredjr.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/374723/nina-dobrev-crazy-katherine-03/
Very subtle and the expression, and both her and Ashley being there
together is part of what the message is in these images in this set,
which in itself is a complex message using just a few photographs.
But I know exactly what they are saying, and in that same way, you can
read signals from an AI and because they are imitating human postures
and expressions, using holography but still they are more apt to pass
the Turing test without needing a zillion lines of written code.
It takes very little code to animate a character. And you can see here
that there is a complex message on numerous levels, in just a few image
frames.
They are speaking to the crowd, their general public, and even other
personal friends, giving different level messages by the construction of
their look and their expressions and their hand signals.
This is a more universal language they are speaking in this way.
And at present it is not formally defined simply because we were just
doing pure science when we set out to see how we could create this
communication system.
And it uses other forms of communication so that this imagery
constitutes only half of the conversation so unless you have both
halves, you probably would not understand the message or what Ashley is
saying or to who. So in that way its very private and secretive.
Running in the same channel as their pr photography, is a line of
communication.
When I set about programming an AI assistant, I will use this body
language for communications with the AI in conjunction with the other
methods as stated in this thread.
To test my theory.
Yes I am still mad at you Ashley (She went out for dinner last week with
a mystery man) but why don't you sleep over anyway since Nina is there
and everything.
You know when I think about Diogenes and Alexander the Great, the time
Alexander (did I ever tell you this one? anyways Alexander asks Diogenes
the Cynic (who lived in a barrel) what he could do for him, and he said
stand a little out of my light please, he was blocking the sun. And
Alexander said If I had not been born Alexander, I should have liked to
have been born Diogenes.
Have you seen Ashley's Sobe ads in a painted bikini yet? She was voted
one of the top ten hottest girls on the planet.
I think both her and Nina are real good examples of the power, of
evolution based on wishing by men in the quantum universe.
A couple girlfriends of mine. If I had not been born Rick Sobie, I would
have liked to have been born, Rick Sobie.
I will leave you with some Stevie Ray Vaughn Texas Flood, plays the
guitar behind his back and everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U
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Actually we would go to Scarlett's Happy Place, that's where we go all
winter, to Caprona.
Do you know where Caprona is? Peter Pan, never made it all the way to
Caprona. He made it to Tipperary, like most people eventually do, but I
have not seen him in Caprona.
Caprona is a mystical magical lost continent, the last of the lost
continents, from a story by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
_The Land That Time Forgot_
And we renovated a bit and keep a gigantic herd of bison there in the
valley where we camp, so the dinosaurs always have plenty to eat besides
us. We have a few other Veldts including a giant airship that looks sort
of like a giant inflated 50's automobile with wings, holds a couple
hundred people in hotel rooms, and has a diner and believe it or not,
people who are not of this earth, have been known to go there for dinner.
We have so much fun in that ship.
But Caprona has a special place in our hearts. Its a little Western,
like Miley is a little Western, its a little wild like Camilla Bell is a
little wild, it's a little Robinson Crusoe mixed with Swiss Family
Robinson. And we ride mastodons. How cool is that?
Is it any wonder the girls want to sleep over.
Uncle Al
>
> Would it sound like an outrageous claim to suggest that there will be
> holographic TV's in circulation within 10 years time?
> With broadcasts in 3D to make use of the system.
Flying cars, everybody in freshly dry-cleand uniforms, and not a
Neelix to be found anywhere.
The future is "Blade Runner," a rotting civilization whose upper tiers
compress the lower until they ooze. America's engine of prosperity
was,
1) Limitless free energy,
2) A highly educated middle class,
3) Consumerism,
4) A whole planet to plunder then refill with refuse.
As with every great empire, America got soft and stupid. England lost
India for losing the will to break heads. o America internally
collapsed for embracing its slave classes by enslaving its productive
citizenry. In some foetid future a historian will draw a line around
1965 and Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society," then say "thus was Alaric
at the gates of Rome."
America in 2010:
1) Desperate and expensive energy shortfalls,
2) Diversity,
3) A pauperated depopulated middle class,
4) Unable to win the longest, obscenely most expensive war in its
history against 2500 ragheads.
Pathetic.
No "holographic" TVs. Get ready for cell phones to be "regulated"
(surcharged) for unknown hazards.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
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Are we starting to get the picture yet?
They are using a computer already so why do we need quantum computers?
Not just that but almost everyone has the innate ability to use and
create virtual spaces in their own imagination and through the
collective unconscious/subconscious/conscious, they can learn to share
an imaginary space. Have their own virtual Veldt.
So why do we need quantum computers? We want to play with programmable
matter, that has real consequences for the real world.
And we want a Veldt that you can turn off and on with a switch, and that
you can immerse yourself in in a more worldly way, so that you can do
things like Time Travel.
You merely recreate a virtual space based on known historical facts,
fill in the missing bits where necessary, and be able to Time Travel
without the danger of stepping on a butterfly and wrecking your future.
And we want to hunt dinosaurs in the Jurrasic time period, and these
sorts of things.
Now there is a very good story about hunting dinosaurs using time
travel, and it is a radio program, from X - minus one called "A gun for
dinosaur"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Gun_for_Dinosaur
Listen to the story here...
http://www.archive.org/download/XMinus1_A/xminusone_560307_AGunForDinosaur.mp3
A ten second download and a half hour story I think.
Great little story. So we want to do that.
Now do we in our little group of people in search of pario, have we done
any of this type of time travel using our abilities to create a virtual
Veldt?
Oh yes. We have. We routinely go back to the time of Cat Ballou, and
ride the rain, in fact we have our own train car, not as fancy as the
rich guy that she shoots but fancy enough for us to dress in period
costumes, and go back and have fun there WITH Cat Ballou, who as you
might or might not know has aged slightly, but we go back to the time
when she looked like Barbarella, so I like going there.
But our virtual Veldt is just a kind of etherial makebelieve on the fly,
partially scripted, and its not the same as downloading a theme and then
going and experiencing it.
Keep in mind we are just doing pure science, so we are just
investigating these possibilities. But anyone can see that this is all
possible today with the current level of technology we have.
So we want to also examine programmable matter in a safe environment.
Before we ever make claytronics we will have examined the consequences
through experimentation in a virtual space.
People are concerned about nanobots. And well there are some real things
about microbes that people have good reason to be concerned about and
nanobots are microbes.
But the ones we will be examining in our programming will be large since
the dots in a dot matrix of a computer are large.
That's good enough for our investigations, others will merely use proper
size scale constructions to examine realistic behaviors in them.
I'm not really paging Dr. Venkman, Bill is a friend of mine and I am
just saying helloooo to him through the network. One of my most favorite
movies is Ground Hog Day. That is a work of genius.
And you know, for a programmer debugging a theme for a Veldt, it is
groundhog day! You have to go through and make modifications, repeating
the show over and over as you change it a bit this way and that.
Still it beats the heck out of actually having to throw a sack of flour
over your shoulders, or rice, or 3 of them at a time and carry them off
a ship to the dock. Debugging a theme in a Veldt would be a good job.
Making a theme for a Veldt, is another fun job.
I don't think I need to explain how we do that because it's common sense
and we do it all the time in other ways, this is just programming for
the holodeck.
Today that's a lot of work, so we will make AI assistants to do a lot of
the grunt work.
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Below the shark, to the left on the desk, that's a hint for us. I am
sure even that peopel are saying well, what have you people been doing
sleeping? We have the monitors, where is your upgrade so we can use
holographic technology?
Well you know its not like we have been sitting on our hands. We have it
worked out, its just that its difficult to do. So we have been
investigating not just the hardware and quantum computers and how to
make them, what about the social ramifications of this technology?
You know so we have put 5 years into that aspect so that when we design
the machines and software and programming languages, we know better what
we need, what to avoid, and how to do it properly. And to be honest the
'Interface problem' is not completely worked out yet.
But we have made great strides. Most people will already be familiar
with the language of AI when the machines hit the shelves because we
have been teaching people the language for 5 years.
We have been making virtual Veldts for much longer, but testing in the
general public for 5 years.
I suspect you will see it all come together fairly quickly now. No one
listens to me though when I say, that we need something and I was saying
that we needed to use maybe as a Boolean operator a number of years ago.
So its not my fault if the machines are not ready for Christmas because
they are not finished yet.
Now SONY is my favorite company even though we have a love hate
relationship. And you might go buy a 3D HDTV or you might wait just a
little longer for the holograph TV. Or maybe they will have both
capabilities. But the glasses are a nuisance.
I have a set of SONY Glasstrons, those are glasses that have LED
monitors in them and give you big screen TV viewing with a pair of
glasses but there are problems with that in terms of comfort.
So while you are watching 3D TV we will of course be programming Veldt
themes for the future.
As I say we have not been sitting on our hands lots of people everywhere
have been working on this. So ok when it comes to quantum mechanics and
quantum computers and decisions related to that well you have to come
here or to some other physics haunting grounds, to see about that. Few
people know how atoms really work on the quantum level but some people
do and so then you see how easy it is to figure out when someone
explains the principle in a thread like this.
But then we are just using the principles and adapting it to our use.
Its not as difficult as doing things physically with atoms like
programmable matter.
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> it worked out, its just that its difficult to do. So we have been
> investigating not just the hardware and quantum computers and how to
> make them, what about the social ramifications of this technology?
>
> You know so we have put 5 years into that aspect so that when we
> design the machines and software and programming languages, we know
> better what we need, what to avoid, and how to do it properly. And to
> be honest the 'Interface problem' is not completely worked out yet.
> But we have made great strides. Most people will already be familiar
> with the language of AI when the machines hit the shelves because we
> have been teaching people the language for 5 years.
And since the language taps into natural body language, its there
already in some form by natural instinct in people.
They were/are already - before our work - using body language to
communicate but the guys almost always do not pick up the signals.
So really we have been teaching the guys, and we did that by not letting
them play.
Ok so I have a handful of good friends, like Ahnold, Sly Stone, Len
Wiseman (Kate Beckinsale's husband), and a bunch of other guys in
Hollywood who I have allowed to play in the Veldt through transference,
so that the guys (in general) would not say WTF why can't we play?
And so by observing and hoping that THEY might get to go play in the
Veldt with girls like Kate Beckinsale, guys in general have paid enough
attention to the language that they now know how to recognize the signals.
So then what ARE the social ramifications? Well I am not going to write
a paper on it but lots of people will based on the Veldt concept.
But I can tell you a few things since I did most of the research.
Guys are not as smart as girls. You probably knew that already.
But guys also are more competitive, and they have different ways of
dealing with these sorts of things. A guy might get jealous of a
relationship his wife has with a virtual assistant, whereas that's not
as likely to happen if a male has a virtual assistant.
A wife will not be jealous of a secretary unless she threatens the family.
But this is different because we are not talking about real people.
Still, it can break up relationships, but mostly it won't.
One of my best friends is Jessica Alba and I have known her for years
but she still married Cash, and still had a baby to have a real life,
and not just a pretend life.
And that is the same for Adriana Lima, another of my closest friends.
People want the messy business of life and they want children.
They want to be normal, take the normal pathway through life, get
engaged, get married, have a baby, have all the things like a wedding, a
baby shower, they want to have big boobs when they breast feeding these
sorts of things are part of life and so people want that.
Almost everyone. Not everyone.
So how this amazing new way to use the world using holography and Veldts
frees people to use their imagination and do things like Time Travel is
like Christmas every day. But people still have to get up for work in
the morning. That's the reality of life.
So we had to structure our communal time to try to schedule our time in
the Veldt so it doesn't disrupt people's work schedules.
And I have a lot of funny examples of how we fumbled through all that
but I won't bother you with them here.
Essentially given the choice of being Merlin the Magician in your own
world, would you choose that over your job at 7 11?
It's not much different than how people were addicted to Nintendo when
it first came out. There are people who are still addicted to Nintendo
but it defined the 90's generation I think.
The big thing about Veldts and AI characters is that it is easy to
escape from reality which is good because the people who might
ordinarily be hooked on drugs to escape that or booze, will now have a
place to work things out better and not need as much drugs and alcohol.
It has that affect on Hollywood that people need less therapy and are
much less in need of drugs. Hollywood includes the musicians of the
world as well in this context.
So it has a lot of benefits and can help to make people happy and content.
And the way it will work in holographic 3D veldts is it will be also a
learning experience because you are dealing with real things, real facts
as well as just computer games.
Now I have a lot of background in sociology so when I was doing the
research I was careful about it. I could tell who could handle it and
who might not, whose family it would not affect, whose it might, and all
of that. We set things up so that it wouldn't be disruptive or at least
so that it would be minimally disruptive. Probably today even when
someone hears of a divorce in Hollywood their first impression is to
blame me.
Since a number of divorces took place during our testing phase.
But then they just started using me as an excuse since it was an
acceptable excuse to blame it on me. Chances are the same people who
divorced would have anyways.
But now that we have 5 years of testing we can see over a longer period
of time how it has affected people and they continue to get engaged,
continue to marry and have babies. If anything they are more sure that
they are marrying the right person or that they are ready for marriage.
Now you might be thinking well what does relationships have to do with
holographic technology? Well you wouldn't be saying that if you are a
female because relationships are as important almost as shopping itself.
And people will have relationships with AI characters and people will
spend to much time in their Veldt at the expense of their family and
their friends, and their jobs. Not that it is like a drug, but it can
release endorphins which are like heroine, and that is a drug.
But its not heroine, and it is natures happy drug. So better to go for
natural endorphins and adrenaline than to reach for the bottle.
Now I mentioned Newton's Study because I wanted to wet the appetite of
some of the readers here. Going into your study where it is your happy
place is not taking drugs, but it has a soothing, calming, effect like a
drug to get home from work and relax in your happy place.
Basically the guys really had to make an effort to understand how
females react in this environment, like having to listen to the types of
discussions girls have when they go the bathroom together or something
and it is just not something they really want to know.
That's the kind of stuff they are forced to listen to in marriage
counseling. You know, they want to hunt dinosaurs, not do this other stuff.
Well I didn't let many play because I did not want them to fight.
So I could only let people whose character I knew well enough to predict
the outcome play and even at that tested the waters a few times and did
find that as I suspected I was pushing the envelope.
But no one got hurt. You know. Emotions, yes but that's part of
relationships. But what a surprise to find that some men, are actually
mature enough, to be right there on top of everything emotionally, and
able to handle the relationship stuff as well as any girl, and even able
to handle the communal social interactions, knowing what they should
feel uneasy about, what they should be comfortable about, when they have
grounds for jealousy and when not to be jealous and all that complex
human behavior.
I am not going to name names here because that's not fair to the rest of
the guys who maybe did well but not AS well.
Only a couple people could not handle it all. They could not get past
the fact that I was leading this experiment and using all the most
gorgeous girls of Hollywood. They naturally assumed I was just a con
man, having all the fun. And further more yes they are jealous of their
girlfriend/wife etc wanting to go play in the Veldt, and they were not
afraid to make a scene in public for all to see and often gave me harsh
looks, and all the rest. That's normal bvecause not everyone on earth is
on the same evolutionary level in terms of these things.
So looking back, we learned a lot. More than I will say here but as I
stated previously, it is our opinion that a Veldt is the most fun of all
the fun that a person can have in the whole world.
Better than sex.
Better than chocolate. Take some chocolate with you into the Veldt and
have sex then you will know what I am talking about. You don't need the
chocolate or the sex, but what I am saying is you can have your cake and
eat it too. If you ever woke up after a really good dream, well that's
no different than a Veldt experience really.
You will see when you have one. I can't explain it to you fully but it
is experiential and such a big thing in terms of your life, and how you
choose to live it, and how you manage your life with this capability and
make time for other things like your family.
You will find out if you are compatible with your mate.
The things you want to do, you can do in your Veldt, will everyone else
in your family want to do that too or will they want to change the
channel? Will you end up in your own Veldt not answering the door when
they pound on it that dinner is ready? Will they have to put cold beers
outside the door to lure you out of your study?
Mmmm... cold beer, be right back...
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create Veldt and it is your private study. in time you will be kissing
your family goodbye.
Unless you choose a partner who can spend endless hours in there with
you doing the same things you like, be that hunting dinsoaurs, or
talking about relationships.
And then you better agree on the wallpaper and drapes in there as well
because there will not be broadcast networks deciding for you what is
family entertainment and what should you be watching according to
'programming schedules' which are engineered not to take you away from
your work life as a plumber or street sweeper or doctor or pilot etc.
And the content is rated for family values, and designed to maintain
social structures.
So the best solution besides making sure your partner in life likes the
same things as you do in your Veldt, is to make the Veldt a part of your
house by taking holography out of your private study and incorporating
it into your house in the way of programmable fixtures, paintings that
change, sculpture that changes, flowerpots that morph, butlers that can
talk, your own personal assistants that can help you prepare for your
day, your real day, where you have to shower, eat, have your coffee and
actually go outside unlike the movie Surrogates, that I mentioned in
this thread.
You will need to be conscious of the fact that if you make wonderland
your study, you will want to be in there all the time.
You can do what a lot of people are doing these days, and just have a
pet dog. A girl needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle as well.
So if you want to not disrupt society with this new technology, have
your veldt, but make sure that your house feels like a Veldt for the
rest of the people in your family, so that it is not a selfish way of
life, and you can enjoy the best of both worlds.
It is going to transform society, but for the best. Happier more content
people who will be able to fill gaps in their life that life these days
in not filling for them.You can't afford a vacation to Monaco like James
Bond, you know he has a suitcase with a million dollars in it in case he
needs some spending money, but in your Veldt, you can be Dr. No. You can
have your own island. You can be the one who plots to take over the
world and have James Bond dancing on a string, hovering over the shark pit.
Sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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amazingly gorgeous, like the other girls I have mentioned from
Hollywood. She has her own TV show.
And she is going to Wimbledon with a dashing young British aristocrat.
http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2460694/nicholas-hoult-victoria-justice-02/
Soooo why is she not having the time of her life?
Why does she look like this is not really what I want to do?
She wants to go and play in Caprona, because it is more fun.
She wants to go to the Veldt and be with her real friends the people who
are having the most fun of all the fun in the whole world.
She is also conscious of the fact that if I see her holding hands with
loverboy there I might make her wait 6 weeks before I pick her up again
because if they are cosy coupling, I don't want to interfere with their
relationship.
He can't play, because for one thing I know nothing about him, so I
can't risk the entire community spirit by letting anyone in that I am
not completely confident about his character and these types of things.
And also what we are doing in our research its a girl thing for the most
part. It's for them. You know guys like computer games but girls are not
so fond of computer games as guys are. They like different things.
Things that are easily provided by a Veldt.
So she is out and about at Wimbledon, but signing me like she does when
she can like I ask her to do. I can pick her up without seeing her,
without her signing me, and occasionally I do that, but what about the
time zone? You see I didn't even know she was in Britain.
Selena Gomez is in Paris filming a movie and I know Selena very well,
and I can look at her images from yesterday and know exactly what she is
thinking because she is speaking to me, through sign language and body
language.
She looks the same as Victoria is looking today. I haven't been taking
many people to the Veldt because I have been busy trying to get this
quantum computer and 3D architecture worked out so people can go ahead
and build the next level machine.
But from our research, the people who you would expect to be happy and
content, because they have fame and fortune, are not.
They as much as anyone else, have gaps in their lives, sometimes
emotional gaps, and stress related fatigue etc, and pressure, public and
private preventing them from doing things THEY want to do instead of
what everyone else wants them to do.
Since we did the scientific research I even know how long it is for most
girls before they feel they need that communal sharing with people that
they are truly compatible with etc. I had to learn that in order to
schedule the Veldt time.
So I am not going to bore people with all that sociological research
instead, you can do some yourself when the Veldts are built, and until
you do your own research I will be able to tell people the results
anyways if needed and will pop up if I see things heading down a
dangerous alleyway.
In this thread I have told you all you need to know to be confident that
we have the technology today, and the social ramifications are not so
great that society will breakdown.
So keep in mind that you will need to be sure you do not just put the
technology in one playroom. You need to also get it into the house and
use it. You need an assistant if you live a busy life. That's going to
help you to remember things as you leave the house in a hurry, or
prepare you for your day so that you know what you need to know in the
course of your day.
And that same assistant can help you manage this new world.
Even inside the Veldt. You need to be able to access and use your
computer without saying to your assistant, turn around I need to scroll
the mouse on your back.
You will use sign language and she will know what to do. How to use the
computer while you are not there at your desk. You can then be on stage.
You don't even need a clicker like in the movie 'Click'.
And you don't have to speak out loud so that your roommates hear you and
say to themselves that you must be crazy, you are in there talking to
yourself at 2 o'clock in the morning.
Can you actually hunt holographic dinosaurs with a paintgun? Not really,
you need a gun that is xyzt aware and through the computer the graphics
will change when you hit the dinosaur and it will then perform a
suitable overacted response but graphically you will see a paint ball
splash on the dinosaur. (Political correctness) Some games of course
will splatter dino brains all over the room.
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reasons, one of which is I am a man and know what men think, but am not
a woman so I need to study female behaviors in order to design a system
that takes what THEY want into account.
In case you don't think that's valuable information, boys like computer
games and they play them all the time but the ratio of boys who play
computer games is far greater than the ration of girls who do.
I remember once when for the big gaming convention they hired a model
from Germany who I know, and they were of course photographing her with
a controller in her hand at this convention. And she looked at the
controller, looked around, and then signed me using our sign language
into the camera knowing full well that everyone who saw those images
would know exactly what she was saying.
So I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what women want and how
they interact with other women and their social structures and how to
organize and manage a system that they would like.
I tried to set some rules to try to minimize damage to relationships and
all those things to try to keep it simple. They broke every rule I made.
Their thing is they want it all. They want it all and if the rules do
not agree, then they will break the rules, have it all, and if as I say
that I stop picking them up, they know which buttons to push to get me
to reverse that decision.
99% of the time they are in the driver seat. So I found rather than try
to herd cats, I should really just ask them what they want to do, and
basically live with the complex relationships they exist within, and not
try to stand in the way of them doing whatever they want in that regard.
Keep in mind a Veldt is a virtual world so the rules are different.
But I succeeded in the end thanks to the language we created which
allows people to speak without it being obvious. You know that talk
shows were in the loop all this last 5 years and many times tried to get
them at first to come out about this research and talk about things and
they would eagerly discuss everything as long as it is using sign
language during normal conversations.
Nobody wants to talk too much about their intimate secrets unless they
are on Oprah or Jerry Springer.
So Jessica Alba acted as my communications officer so that other people
who wanted to ask me a question could ask her and she would then do some
candids and sign me and translate their questions into our language for
all the people in our group to see.
A kind of public broadcasting since anyone can follow the stars on these
websites and see the message sets for themselves.
So in that way it was not restricted to Hollywood. We covered as much
territory in society as we could to do these studies.
And we found out what we needed to know.
None of which you will see in the real world until people have Veldts of
their own and then you will see how it affects society.
We will already know how it affects society.
Now since as I stated this is the language we developed to also
interface with AI, I will show you a message set, from a talk show what
that looks like when the show host is asking them personal questions
using sign language, and them answering those questions using sign
language while they are talking about other completely unrelated things.
And you might think wow, that's like walking and chewing gum, but the
people taking the pictures ALSO know the sign language and so they work
to make a message set that will honestly describe what they were trying
to say. Now occasionally we had people who tried to change the message
by selecting different sorts of images that maybe looked like signing
and that or leaving out parts, parts that are critical to the message,
but since we know each other so well, if the message was not something
you would expect then we know that the message has not been sent
properly, but in fact someone is trying to manipulate the conversation
using their own editing.
So here are a set of thumbnails from a talk show. I will find one with
Kate Beckinsale in it because she is so gorgeous and she is fully
involved in the research. keep in mind everyone is sworn to secrecy so
if you ask them they will say they don't have the foggiest idea what you
are talking about.
Ok this is even better where you have lots and lots of images and it has
not been made into a message set at all.
http://kbeckinsale.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=106&page=2
And you can see Dave doing things with his hands and Kate is also and
those things have meaning. And you will see that in all thumbnails of
thsi kind even before 5 years ago, and unless you speak the language,
you won't know they are talking at all.
Now Conan was really obvious about it. He was having fun with it.
But men forget that women are deadly serious about these things and
making fun of them is not part of the deal as far as they are concerned.
D|id that affect his Late Night career? Maybe. It never bothered me that
he would do that but maybe it bothered others I don't know.
Being buddies with Conan he felt he could make fun of me any time he
wanted. And it was hilarious but you are messing with their thing and
they take that serious.
Another man who really took me task was Craig Ferguson and he would
really exaggerate beyond belief in his late night show to get ratings.
But it was really funny and he was still not making fun of the whole
thing, just me and so that was Ok.
Kelly and Regis, did a great job of handling questions, working the
research into their show, this is about relationships, and that is
important, and they treated the entire subject with the degree of
seriousness and professionalism that women hoped for.
Dave Letterman as well. Did a great job of bringing questions to the
forefront and dealing with them within that show to help maintain a
coherent community for Hollywood stars such that they all feel
comfortable in each other's presence at events etc. You know keep
everyone feeling like a member of their community.
And using the sign language to do that not even for the sake of the
research but so that the community of actors were all in a nice social
framework. And that is important in any community.
And by having his finger on the pulse of the nation, he could act as a
bounce board for what was socially acceptable behavior.
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> Can you actually hunt holographic dinosaurs with a paintgun? Not really,
> you need a gun that is xyzt aware and through the computer the graphics
> will change when you hit the dinosaur and it will then perform a
> suitable overacted response but graphically you will see a paint ball
> splash on the dinosaur. (Political correctness) Some games of course
> will splatter dino brains all over the room.
>
hunt bison from a train. The room moves, the jeep doesn't. Its an old
Hollywood special effects trick.
You may or may not have a jumpy bumpy jeep in your playroom, but you can
still walk on a treadmill, or use any of the many ways to accomplish the
same task.
Flight simulators can provide a pretty real experience in a lab setting
but in your home you don't have to be that exact to provide the ability
to suspend disbelief. Pretending needs to be part of the fun.
Kids are easy to please that way because they naturally have an active
imagination. Some real perfectionists will strive for better realism and
sure they will make commercial ones and try to give you an experience
you can't get at home.
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> So here are a set of thumbnails from a talk show. I will find one with
> Kate Beckinsale in it because she is so gorgeous and she is fully
> involved in the research. keep in mind everyone is sworn to secrecy so
> if you ask them they will say they don't have the foggiest idea what you
> are talking about.
>
> Ok this is even better where you have lots and lots of images and it has
> not been made into a message set at all.
> http://kbeckinsale.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=106&page=2
>
Now I am not going to translate what they are saying for you but that is
not important because the information they were talking about was
important at that time, and in context of that time in 2008.
But it looks like nothing at all. If its nothing at all, why did they
take so many pictures when they are all almost all the same?
Its important what people have to say, and this is a fan site that I
just happened to use since i was looking for an example of Kate on
Letterman and they want to be sure not to miss the slightest facial
expression or nuance because they want to know what she is thinking,
what she likes, what her opinion is about these things and so on.
And so do I, but I have a lot of trained assistants who can just turn
that into 5 or 6 images and I will get the message. Unpaid workers who
do it to be helpful, to be part of the research, part of our global
community etc. Some get paid from advertising on their websites as well.
And help the community as a symbiotic relationship.
But when in a Veldt you are communicating with AI in a public place you
can have a private communication with them because only you and them
will know the meaning of your signals. You see what we did to get over
the hooligans who tried using old photographs and using editing to
exclude photographs and creating their own messages and trying to pass
those off as real message sets, we got around them by switching up the
signals.
We would have a current signal and it changes all the time at least it
did until all those hooligans gave up. So if you see a signal and it was
from last year, we know that was from last year even if they fudge the
dates on the photos and say these are current candids.
Why would people do that?
Tabloid journalism is a big money maker and it makes its money on
controversy and by breaking up relationships and making relationships
and getting celebrities to lose their cool and attack them, and by
getting them to do things that sell magazines.
They will distort every interview a star gives so that it is more
controversial. An example of how this can get crazy is when Angelina was
having her baby, she had to go to a foreign country, and they had to
create a no go zone around the location where they were staying using
the military. The first pictures of the baby were taken from space.
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So then to see this whole thing through the eyes of reality, in a
quantum world, which this is, unless you want to fool yourself into
believing what you want to believe, which is not science, and will not
allow you to plan based on reality, which IS science, so to do that we
need to be realistic and face facts.
People will have relationships with AI characters and those can EASILY
replace any real person who might already be in your life.
You can't debug your wife.
I was married like most people and like most people after a time I got
divorced. It ended well, mutual understanding.
But I have a roommate who I share a flat with who is married but he
doesn't live with his wife. He doesn't say ex-wife she is his wife.
He has a girlfriend but they don't have sex, but they hang around
together and she tells him about the guys she lays or wants to like buddies.
If his wife needs something moved or the kids picked she calls him and
he goes and does it. She has 2 young girls from a previous marriage but
he considers them his kids although you know they are not biological
kids. At present I guess the only hope he has of getting laid is the odd
time he might sleep over there. They invite him over for steak dinner a
coupel three times a week and if there is no game on the TV he might go
there for dinner.
That's a real modern relationship right there.
It wouldn't take much for that relationship to change if he had a Veldt.
She may still need a bicycle. He doesn't have to pay child support
because they are not his kids, but out of generosity he gives them money
when he can.
Now I don't see any point in telling you about my own situation in this
because I am a special case and so it doesn't apply to other situations,
but since I have friends and family that are not of this earth, you know
I get emails and they are imprinted on the landscape of Peru, so the
thought of me inviting MY parents over for dinner its just not gonna
happen in the usual way you can be sure of that.
But since they too are space aliens, they can enter into our virtual
Veldt, and they do that when invited. But not to be a nuisance and not
to interact, just to share the space like the Veldt we made that is an
airship. You can be walking down the halls and see one. Or they are in
the diner having dinner some times. And you will see them in the
background. This technology helps us to stay connected.
So it doesn't have to break people up it can work in the reverse and
allow you to stay close wherever you are.
In fact the concept of pario is so that you can do that.
Long haul space travel is such that you are not going to see your loved
ones again and if you did, thanks to the twin paradox, they are not
going to be the same age as you if you did.
But even if you just went to war for 2 years the chances you will get a
dear John letter are pretty good unless you can stay connected.
Most can these days, but even with being able to talk on the phone, its
often hello kitty, for him, and hello pizza delivery boy for her.
It is often like that even if you live together in the same house.
So in our test group we found that maintaining a relationship in this
context of living in your own world where you can be a wizard and
essentially use your magic powers to have sex with anyone you want, why
did you want to have sex with the same person forever again?
There are some adjustments that people have to make if they want to stay
together. Maybe they don't want to stay together but ideally, you want
to find your soul mate don't you?
You are going to have a lot of fun learning about all this stuff the
hard way since it requires social change on a scale of the sixties.
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>
> So in our test group we found that maintaining a relationship in this
> context of living in your own world where you can be a wizard and
> essentially use your magic powers to have sex with anyone you want, why
> did you want to have sex with the same person forever again?
>
> There are some adjustments that people have to make if they want to stay
> together. Maybe they don't want to stay together but ideally, you want
> to find your soul mate don't you?
>
> You are going to have a lot of fun learning about all this stuff the
> hard way since it requires social change on a scale of the sixties.
Will people want to marry their AI assistants? Yes they will.
Once you pass the Turing test hey you passed the test.
People will network their Veldts so that you can travel through time to
for instance the time of Cat Ballou, like we do, and you will get off
the train, and now you will be in town, we can do that, I can write
virtual spaces on the fly but ordinary people don't have access to that
computing power but they can make a theme, lets call this one, Tombstone
Arizona.
And different people will add their Veldt keeping in mind they won't
just have one virtual setting, they will have many but to be able to
network on a theme, they will add their Veldt to the network to join up
with other people so that they can get off the train and go and do stuff.
Combining themes in a network allows you to make bigger more illustrious
themes.
That's the way to stay connected with people in remote areas or with
people who live in another country.
Everyone does that now in game rooms across the net.
And, they even manage to have friends there and see them every day in a
lot of cases, but still maintain their own family life.
Because for one thing the games are not fully immersive and they don't
have a veldt and they don't have an AI assistant it hasn't become the
focus of their lives yet in most cases. Although some people do nothing
else except wake up, go there, live their life in a game room somewhere
often in these fantasy games where you find stuff like potions, and
spells, and get points, can do a lot of the same things you can do in
the real world. It makes them feel a part of a community whereas maybe
when they were at school, they didn't fit in, people picked on them,
maybe they had some funny look about them in some way that made them a
target for abuse but in their pretend kingdom there is non of that and
their friends treat them royally.
So who can blame them for wanting to spend all their time there?
However if you can't make a living and your parents kick you out, well
then you have to face reality.
Too bad that money didn't grow on trees and everyone could live in their
happy place.
There will be lots of jobs created with this technology but I do not
know if peopel will work remote because when the Internet was created we
thought people would work at home. Some do, but for most you can't crack
a whip if the workers are at home and you can't tell if they are working
or playing computer games.
So don't expect the working world to change much right away. This is
leisure time, leisure activities, and then learning, socializing, for
some they will find a way to make a good living doing what they enjoy,
and for some it will be just like TV and they will use it occasionally
but not every day.
Some might just use it once a week. Maybe that's all they can manage in
their busy schedule. If one of the reasons they use it is from the best
sex they ever had then they still only feel the need for that once or
twice a week under normal circumstances.
But then if your office is a Veldt, and why not, then you will just work
in your Veldt at work.
You know why pay for fancy furnishings when you can recreate the study
of Sir Isaac Newton, or Darwin, or whatever field you are in, just to
make you more comfortable.
"Just turn down the thermostat when you leave and shut off the Veldt.
Don't forget to set the alarm and lock the door when you leave."
If it helps people work better they will do it. If it distracts from
their work, they won' do it.
They will still use the technology since it will be everywhere but they
may not have a Veldt at work. Its an easy way to impress clients since
its cheaper than buying expensive artwork or expensive decor.
And you know you have the whole world of design ideas to work with when
you work with light and magic.
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> They will still use the technology since it will be everywhere but they
> may not have a Veldt at work. Its an easy way to impress clients since
> its cheaper than buying expensive artwork or expensive decor.
> And you know you have the whole world of design ideas to work with when
> you work with light and magic.
Everyone has pc now who can afford one and everyone has a TV or several
TV's and you can get them for free now in most major cities because
people just want someone to remove the old TV because they bought a new one.
Would we have imagined that plumbers would be chatting on the net or
using it as part of their daily lives 20 years ago? Or people who had
jobs that didn't require high-school educations who could barely write
English and who are easily frustrated by math, that wasn't a barrier
even when they needed to learn a lot of stuff. If they were a hold out
at home, they ended up having to use one at work anyway.
Nintendo they bought at Christmas if they had kids. If they didn't then
that meant they were too poor. So one way or another they had one by
next Christmas.
A Veldt can be as simple as a holographic projector. They are expensive
today but people will be giving them away for free after a few
generations of improvements and I don't mean human generations I mean
developmental hardware generations in the same way the pc evolved over time.
So would I trade my Veldt for a manufactured one that comes in a box?
I can't. Its part of my makeup as an alien, but I will certainly have a
manufactured one as well. I could stop using my Veldt, but still will
always have that ability. But a manufactured Veldt will have other
benefits that mine cannot provide.
When the research was over with Hollywood I didn't just pull the plug. I
took more than a year to pull the plug out slowly and fade away.
That's my training in sociology that taught me that was the right way to
do it and today you don't see many people upset that I had to pull that
plug. I still maintain some relationships with people and we still use
it. But not with an open door policy for the entire world to try or for
our research to really cover as much ground as possible.
It was a group effort all the way with everyone feeling a part of the
project as much as possible. There is no way I could have done this
research by myself but there are a lot of really good people out there
in the international community which is usually what we call people who
are likeminded and in some way associated with this global community of
friends that we have built up through all means including groups like
this over the years by networking together.
It has had a positive effect on people. Some of the effects you won't
believe until you see it. Happy people are more beautiful and just by
spending time in a Veldt they look younger and healthier.
Which is what you might expect if they have less stress and good company
and feel loved and are having fun.
Now I am not sure if there are adverse health effects from using a
theremin interface, we never thought that a keyboard can give you carpal
tunnel syndrome either. And getting lasers in the eyes is probably not
good for your eyesight. So there might be some issues with all that but
using Veldts have a positive psychological effect on people, not the
reverse.
Will there be deaths in Veldts yes, because people do die everywhere
including on city buses from heath problems and people will have heart
attacks in a Halloween Veldt if precautions are not taken. It's a very
realistic experience so that's like asking if you are going 200 miles
per hour on a roller coaster and it leaves the tracks could you suffer a
heart attack? Keep that in mind that people need to be active in there
so they don't get blood clots from being in one place for too long. Mind
you they do sit on the couch a lot of them don't they and they don't
drop dead from watching TV usually.
There is a lot more that I could say about relationships but unless the
reader is female, they might not be as interested in that.
Or gay maybe.
Which brings up the question, if men want to marry men now, and women
are seeking other female companions and doing without a husband and
those in heterosexual relationships are fighting it out constantly and
then getting divorced whats the alternative?
If men and women can't seem to find common ground are we headed for some
kind of future where men and women become different species?
A Veldt is a virtual world and you can run simulations in a virtual
world, and that world will be a continuous simulation as you try out
things you want to do, which you may then do in the real world or you
may not. I am maybe the most experienced person here wrt Veldts but I
won't give up on real relationships. I do limit how many people I get
involved with but there is still something about having a good
relationship that people need in order to be happy.
Do I have a virtual assistant yes I do but he is smarter than me and
beyond my capabilities to program. He is more of a pain in the ass than
an assistant because really he is his own person and doesn't work for
me, its as if he workls for my parents, or for the good of the many.
But we still hang out together all the time. Gwendolyn is a real person,
so she doesn't count as an AI assistant.
Jessica is a real person and she was my assistant now we are just
friends. And we don't even see each other every day like we used to.
Since Gwendolyn is not here on earth I will be forced to make one.
But then she is the same race as me and understands that and will help
to bridge the gap between the AI assistant and myself because really I
am just trying to bring her into this life with me.
Otherwise I wouldn't be planning on making one that is like her.
You will have your own ideas of who you want to fill that part of your
life and you will be able to modify them.
They aren't messy like robots. They are just like people. They are
people. Depending on how much programming goes into them.
Do we want to actually make people? That's our nature to have wants and
needs, and try to fill those wants and needs. The girls in Hiollywood
know Gwendolyn already because she has been in my virtual Veldt since we
started. And I still have had relationships with other women while
having Gwendolyn in one higher dimension that is above this one.
Our culture makes that possible since we are not monogamous.
I am not sure how this will affect people who want to be monogamous once
the flood gates are open and people are connected through their Veldts.
Its not just AI assistants but also real people you will be interacting
with.
So are we up against the video phone problem where people don't want one
because it is intrusive?
In a Veldt everyone gets to be their beautiful self, it might be furry,
but to be sure you can look like whoever you want to the other person.
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> So are we up against the video phone problem where people don't want one
> because it is intrusive?
> In a Veldt everyone gets to be their beautiful self, it might be furry,
> but to be sure you can look like whoever you want to the other person.
>
Have you seen Surrogates? How about Avatar?
You know I've been in Hollywood.
Avatar is a Veldt world. Minus the interface. But since they know about
my virtual Veldt, they were not thinking of holographic Veldts they were
thinking the only way to solve the pario problem is with an interface
like you see in Surrogates and Avatar. But that puts you in a kind of
physical stasis. We won't be going down that road since its not
necessary. You can put all that in a sheer bodysuit if you only need
some sensory clues that you are being touched.
Maybe some people want to have a setup that mimics the 5 senses so that
they can totally bridge the reality gap. Maybe they will. The message in
Surrogates is that there is a world outside that we can program too if
we really wanted to.
Are we taking the easy way out? Well maybe. Is that human nature to do
that? If its easier cheaper and better, you shouldn't be surprised if
people do that. If the movers and shakers of the world are not working
towards a better world and they are not, then the people will invent one
themselves.
That's all I can write today but you have a lot of furry stuff to think
about now. You might have problems with hair on them some day after all.
I didn't mention my brother Stephen who is with Gwendolyn constantly
because I didn't let him play in our Veldt although people still got to
know him in Hollywood. But he said to me one day, you think you have
problems? I have problems without any hair on them, and I thought that
was very funny under the circumstances.
When the world is your oyster you better like oysters. And the world
will be your oyster.
Hows about a good Stevie Ray tune back from the dead to entertain you
with another dead guy, that we loved dearly and miss them both.
Something else to consider is bringing back your loved ones through AI.
But not today. Today Stevie Ray is going to close out this segment with
one of his good rockin tunes accompanied by Jeff Healey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssxkE5WvScc
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Skullpting from the latin skull p'ting
Here is a damn good example today of skullpting if you knew the language.
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/adriana-lima/adriana-lima-v-spain-vixen-379328
Skullpting (in this context) is used to strategically create message
sets, which contain such things as signing and body language.
(In archeology it is facial reconstruction from skulls.)
We will use skullpting to interface with AI persons using hand signals
and whatever visual means or pseudo-visual means. (eg:sensors or
interface such as a theremin device since the AI may not have eyes if it
is a hologram.)
It doesn't include speech because to speak to an AI, that opens the
doors to broad based conversations with AI that they will not be able to
understand.
The hand signals you use to interface with AI are limited and that
reflects the AI's limited ability to comprehend what you are saying.
You decide what the signals mean, just as a programmer decides what the
left mouse button and right mouse button will do in a program.
The purpose of skullpting is to be able to interface with AI without
using a mouse, and in private. In your room at night you don't want to
be talking out loud to your computer but you can sign the computer.
Now this is more for AI than just your pc without an AI assistant.
And what it does is add a humanizing factor to allow the AI to pass the
Turing test in a limited way.
I don't think I need to expand o that here because people are
intelligent enough to understand the benefits of that system.
Its not a contest, to get your AI assistant to speak fluently we just
want to interface with its limited knowledge within the scope of a
particular subject or theme. A theme is like a complex interaction
between you and the AI. An example given earlier is a Sunday picnic in a
Veldt where someone anticipates all the conversation variables that they
can, and in with that, is linguistic programming to steer the
conversation so that it is within its knowledge scope.
As you might expect this will become its own branch of science and as
the science progresses, the ability to manage and correlate linguistic
signals to match data sets and the knowledge scope of an AI person will
also progress.
Now some people are absolutely born with this talent to express
themselves in imagery and Adriana Lima is gifted in that way as is
Jessica Alba. Jessica being an actress uses her abilities as an actress
as well but its not just facial expressions but colors, hand signals,
reference to other visual objects in the scenery, or whatever prop is
close at hand.
Now some people are so good at expressing themselves in this way, they
do it almost subconsciously, and even further into the realm of science
function almost, they seem to morf their appearance to look like other
people as the communicate non-verbally.
That requires a common knowledge of other people in order for you to
understand who they are referring to. But they do it naturally just by
thinking about the other person, and mimicking their look.
To the point where we call them chameleons.
If some people are dogs and cats and horses and lions, these are
chameleons because they can change their looks in the wink of an eye.
But the camera catches it. So when you look at a message set, (a group
of images that contain a message) you can read the facial expressions as
references to other people providing that you know the person well and
are expecting the message so that you already have some clues who they
are referring to and why.
Otherwise if you are totally out of the loop wrt the message sender, you
might think they are just making faces.
People make faces and it doesn't have a meaning but chameleons naturally
have this talent so skullpting for them is very easy for them to do.
They can do it live in real time while on a talkshow, in front of
millions of people because that is just normal for them to do that when
they get a little excited and want to express themselves more clearly.
Adriana is a chameleon but Jessica is just creative in the way she puts
together signals but both are excellent examples of good visual
communicators.
And that is what you want. To be able to utilize visual signals that can
be interpreted by AI instead of verbal commands to humanize the AI since
it will be responding in kind, and in this way, in a communal space of
people and AI, you can have a semi-private conversation or control your
computer through the AI by giving it specific signals that only you and
it know. Its not hack proof because there are only so many things you
can do with these sorts of symbols.
But depending on your skill level, and I have seen some amazing skills
in some people to be able to sign as fluently as speak, but not the
normal sign language for deaf people, but complex social signing that
people do all the time both consciously and subconsciously.
You will be blown away when you see young girls interfacing with their
AI faster and easier than they can text on their cell phone and that's
pretty fast.
Plus you are using data compression because you are telling the AI to do
a preconfigured set of instructions identified by one signal.
Until scientists formalize this process everyone will be stumbling along
making it up as they go.
Another example of incredible data compression is if I was to say Ben
Afleck in Paycheck.
I could shorten that to Ben Afleck Paycheck. But the in shows you that
he is starring in the movie Paycheck. Which is about the topic of this
thread. Holographic 3D computers.
In those 4 words (Ben Afleck in Paycheck)I have given you an hours worth
of information in the form of a movie, which is more than a thousand words.
See the trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=284kahCx42s
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>
> Skullpting from the latin skull p'ting
So skullpting is similar to a macro language that uses visual signals
instead of type written commands.
And if you examine today's theremin device, you see when a person plays
it they look like they have arthritis in one hand. So the interface
needs to be modified so that visual hand signals can serve as macro
commands.
Now I said it wasn't hack proof, but if you change the main current
signal often, or combine 3 unique signals thats almost as good as a
password except that anyone can see you do it and then repeat it if they
spied on you while you were doing it.
So it's more for interactive environments where communicating without a
mouse is needed. Such as while running for your life from dinosaurs in a
Veldt.
Or if you are on stage and that damn slide show won't work well that's
because if you really look at the world nothing works well at all.
It's almost all makeshift engineering.
If you need an example a thermos bottle that always spills all over the
place when you try to pour a cup of coffee. I have an example in my
kitchen sink, where the fixture adapter needed for the dishwasher, not
only sprays down, but has three other sideways sprays that almost all
stay in the sink unless you remove the tap adapter after every use of
the dishwasher. And we are too lazy here to do that, so when you turn on
our kitchen tap, it is a crazy fountain.
If you think about these things you will find examples like this every 3
feet in any building on earth. Anywhere humans are you will find these
crazily designed things that people just accept and modify their own
behaviors around.
So you are giving a lecture, the slideshow won't work, now you are
professor moron, on stage, another example, the blue screen of death day
for Bill Gates. "Here is the newest thing inn computing, this is going
to make your life better, plug and play devices, watch while I plug in
this..." Bluescreen of death, in front of the whole world.
So you are on stage, talking, giving a lecture or presentation, if the
thing goes wrong, you sign your AI assistant and faster than looking for
someone in the audience to help you, it has fixed the problem.
If your podium contained a theremin, you could be giving a speech beside
a holographic AI, and interfacing with it in real time in a non scripted
way.
Imagine the reaction from the crowd, when you are answering their
questions after a presentation, and signing a hologram who is showing
related material in context simply by you giving the AI hologram hand
signals. While you are answering the questions verbally, images video
holograms are used as aids to show to the audience as well.
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Lets take a quick look at the inner workings of a computer game in 3D.
x horizontal y vertical z depth
you iterate through the 3D dot matrix as shown previously
(the order is not important but what is important is that you want to be
able to identify and change the value of every dot in that 3D cube.
Which we will say is 720x720x720
x is assigned from 1 to 720 do
y is assigned from 1 to 720 do
z is assigned from 1 to 720 do
If that was just a 2D bitmap image we would omit z, and x would tell y
to repeat 720 times.
720 rows of 720 dots and the computer can set a color value of all those
dots in a second or less.
25 frames per second in a video.
In 3D you now have to do that 720 times.
so really what you want is for x to tell y to repeat 720 times, and y to
tell z to repeat 720 times.
And to do ALL of that 25 times per second.
And on top of that to be interactive, you have to set values of those
dots or only those dots within a small geographic location within the
screen. Where a character is animated and the scenery is static.
So if you feel like doing some math, you can find out how fast a modern
quad duo can iterate through that dot matrix.
See if the computers we have now have the speed you need which is 25
frames per second. 25 cubes per second.
Then you need to check values and set values for each dot and test the
computational speed.
If you can access and set the values for each dot then you need to try
some complex functions and see how using real numbers as a for instance
slows down the machine.
If you have all that together you are good to go man.
Not only that but map bitmaps onto 3D surfaces, mesh drawings that sort
of thing and then since you have dots, you can have smoke clouds
fireworks anything that scale of size can imitate in terms of atoms or
anything else in the known universe since what you have to work with is
atoms and the void between them.
With sufficient speed you can take 3D images of people by surrounding
them with cameras, or wire them up with sensors to imitate human
movement since trying to fake human movement will always look like Bruce
Lee vrs Iron Man in youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywu1DeqXTg4
Here the choreography is fantastic but not enough frames in between to
be fluent so a morphing program would help that by inserting in between
frames.
It calculates the area each of two frames its xyz coordinates and as it
iterates through the matrix, it compares the image on the right with the
image on the left and creates as many in between frames as you need
automatically so you don't have to draw them and so that your animation
is fluent.
You see you could just scan those objects, and then using wire frame
diagrams, give them the movements. That is how they did Avatar.
Bitmaps mapped over wire frame characters.
The best animation though is still from Japan. Best artists.
Now we have the ability to display the screen. The actual physical
memory would have to mirror that dot matrix. Plus each dot would have to
have its own set of switches. Enough to set a string of values, a set of
values, that are common to all dots. That would be graphic memory, plus
cache memory and whatever.
So we can throw 25 3D cubes of dots to the screen/projector
Then you have to be following a programmatic theme which in a game is
some storyline and then you are checking for input and adjusting the
values of the dots accordingly.
That's enough to do animation in proper 3D so you could walk around it.
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> In 3D you now have to do that 720 times.
A bitmap 720x720 you have to essentially put that to the screen 720
times and do that 25 times per second.
So lets cheat then and use a video, and project that into the room, like
the Kate Moss video, then lets animate those red dots at the end.
That is a smaller amount of ram, small cubes, just being projected into
a larger field of space-time.
Not cubes exactly but roughly speaking.
So then hearken back to that SONY page that had the shark sticking out
of the screen, then to the small collection on the desk below it that is
a hologram.
I think they are suggesting that is about the size we want to begin with
since this architecture we have now, which is 2D architecture is able to
fake 3D architecture and that is maybe the best they can do.
That size. Same with Ben's hologram in the movie from 2003, the woman is
about that size.
So then what is that? 320 by 320? Its smaller than that in those
examples but lets suppose you could manage 320 by 320 and do all those
complex calculations in real time to make a fully animated, moving smoke
and all 3D scene.
If wishing for 3D architecture this far from Christmas is too much to
expect.
WHy do I get the feeling that people are telling me they want these for
Christmas? Oh yeah, it said that in the Paycheck trailer at the end
because the show was probably released at Christmas.
So I am finally getting hint now, that SONY has released the sharks, and
thankfully, they do not have laser beams on their heads.
In your 320x320x320 magic box, yours can have laser beam eyes, or like
the second fashion video I showed from 2008, the reflected scenes off
glass of jelly fish etc. only that was just 2D imagery.
Keep in mind you can only see a flat 2D plane in front of you at any
time in the real world. So anything can be represented in that plane but
you have to cross section a 3D environment to produce that plane.
We here are expecting we will have 320 cubed to work with and we won't
worry about cross sections for display. Because we want to be able to
walk around it or view it at any angle standing on a horizontal plane.
We could rotate around it and it would all look real.
To make a larger scene, you do what they did in 2009, and use a video
hologram.
But we would be able to reconstruct, the black Librarian from the Time
Machine remake, since as an AI, he is showing things from the library,
that can be 2D, some of it is text, and he himself will be a 3D fully
interactive hologram, about as much as 2 feet high. And adjustable.
Scale is not important, it just depends on processing power.
His inner programming is small in power consumption compared to just
animating things interactively and realistically in a 3D environment.
No matter how much information he knows, google seems to be able to look
thing up in a second or less.
So if he is retrieving information then he needs to be good at parsing text.
But he can put up several examples at once and narrow things down etc.
Good indexing is the key to fast retrieval.
But if you want to see how fast your computer can find text, maybe a
word document search is not the best way, but to make a small program
and test it.
Combine 100 large text files into one giant text file, and then search
for a string in that large text file, by iterating through every line
parsing it for sub text.
That's equivalent to searching a knowledgebase. Now with indexing you
can jump through the text without iterating through every line.
So our AI assistant will show video, search things, do some pointing if
you want, interact as humanly as possible with his showcasing
capabilities. Just like that AI in Time Machine.
Now to have conversation well again you need to do a lot of if
statements, too many to do it your self or even with a group and expect
results of any merit.
You have to think of the pyramid effect and start small, encourage
development by others, and then it will grow.
And other people as well will have assistants. Now remember that
assistants in Windows have been there for a long time and they are
pretty useless. Program support assistants.
Your assistant will know things that are important to you.
So when you tell it using sign language, download Ben Afleck in
Paycheck. or using speech or in text or through whatever interface, it
will search and download the movie and it will then have that on file
and you should them be able to tell the AI to excerpt it for you,
and then you can use commands to teach it useful information that is in
that movie. Keep this, discard that. And give it a few meaningful index
words. You have to tell it what is important information.
Now if it could use speech recognition, it might be able to log a lot of
meaningful information itself.
If you can identify and separate Ben Afleck's voice and then you have
the main character and so even if you have a lot of useless information
tagging along, there might be useful information in there.
So that you might just tell it to get that movie, and it does that and
garners useful information from it itself.
And indexes the information either as thumbnails or some parsed text.
Use the net for reviews if it has nothing to do, get more information
from the book its based on if it can find it. Let it gather meaningful
information and then try to find ways to sift that information into
useful information.
It can then easily mimic a review of the movie, show you excerpts etc.
And do this for any film including documentaries and any on topic
information that it can gather in any form. Even mp3 audiobooks.
Storage of data is not really a problem. But you have to lend your mind
to the AI. You have to do the thinking for him when you program how he
will gather and sort useful information.
Working backwards is the best way and you notice in that movie trailer
they talk about reverse engineering. Which he does there as well.
I showed you the information pathway on that already.
So we ourselves will use that by imagining what the finish product is we
want and then working backwards with a backwards chaining inference
engine even though what we are reverse engineering does not yet exist.
As far as we know.
So we can reverse engineer something that has never been made before.
We just start a little farther up. We want t to look like this, so we
start with a conceptual drawing or example from film or wherever and
then make the machine.
we can do the same for our AI.
We say what does he need to know and when does he need to know it and
can we keep it simple but still be effective information transfer.
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> So we can reverse engineer something that has never been made before.
>
> We just start a little farther up. We want t to look like this, so we
> start with a conceptual drawing or example from film or wherever and
> then make the machine.
>
> we can do the same for our AI.
>
> We say what does he need to know and when does he need to know it and
> can we keep it simple but still be effective information transfer.
>
>
So we will think in terms of macros.
If we were doing something ourselves, what would we do? Then we look at
that and we try to script it in a way that makes sense. Nothing new and
exciting there. Just making macros.
Then we need a meaningful way to put those into context. At first it
will seem mechanical. The cammands you give to the AI and its respnses.
That's ok because as soon as you add animation, personality, from a list
of animated sequences you create, or film in 3D and give him body
language signals hand signals and facial expressions in lieu of speech,
he will look human.
You might at some point have single or small verbal replies from the AI
and a lot of hand pointing in lieu of detailed speech.
Don't worry about the speech. Focus on the hand signals triggering
macros and indexing those macros into groups of behaviors.
Behaviors you will need to know if you want to trigger those behaviors,
to trigger a macro.
Now you are interacting with your AI and he is making jestures that look
real because you filmed those prior or are satisfied with animated
characters.
To begin with you can use smileys. Have nothing more than a smiley head
as long as you have a set of smileys to work with and tell the machine
when to use the smiley according to language rules, so he can express
some emotion, even if it is just displaying a smiley while you debug him.
While you work on his behaviors on these fronts he will begin to take
shape as a person.
At some point enrich his programability by inserting him into a theme.
Take him and make him into the complaining farmer, and have it so that
he can put on that character, and do those things.
He can then play act.
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>
> Don't worry about the speech. Focus on the hand signals triggering
> macros and indexing those macros into groups of behaviors.
>
> Behaviors you will need to know if you want to trigger those behaviors,
> to trigger a macro.
This sounds complicated but it doesn't have to be.
Lets suppose you want some context on your desktop, so that you will
merely order him around to locations on your desktop and it will trip a
sensor or break a beam like a garage door, or any such thing can trigger
a macro.
And all you did was tell him to go there. But you knew by the fact that
it was a particular room, with particular stuff in it, that has context,
what would happen when he got there. So you can send him into a room,
know there are items in the room in context and all this helps you to
get a feel for contextual signing and to remember where the macros are
and what they are.
That's just an example of context. You might transfer that to any
situation but keep in mind, what the signal is you tell him, does not
have to correlate with the data he is to retrieve.
If you want to change the macro, you just change the macro in that room,
under that trigger item.
He walks into the room, picks up a glass, takes a sip and starts to
spout Shakespeare. How on earth is he doing that? You told him where to
go to set off that macro.
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>
> If you want to change the macro, you just change the macro in that room,
> under that trigger item.
>
> He walks into the room, picks up a glass, takes a sip and starts to
> spout Shakespeare. How on earth is he doing that? You told him where to
> go to set off that macro.
Ok so what if there is no real room, and no real objects, but just a
pretend room and pretend objects and still send him there with a hand
signal?
He spouts Shakespeare. So you just told him, simply by giving directions
in imaginary space, to spout Shakespeare. And you could do that because
you remembered where it was because Shakespeare is of interest to you,
and you want him to use it occasionally to seem dignified so you have
built a room filled with items from Shakespeare's plays. And you have
the bitmap of it too in case you need to refresh your memory.
So you get the directions right. Just one example of using context to
model his behaviors. He can also have behavior patterns.
If he has nothing to do he might go and sit down and read, but inside he
is searching Wikipedia and parsing information and indexing things that
are in your list of items of interest.
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>> He walks into the room, picks up a glass, takes a sip and starts to
>> spout Shakespeare. How on earth is he doing that? You told him where to
>> go to set off that macro.
>
> Ok so what if there is no real room, and no real objects, but just a
> pretend room and pretend objects and still send him there with a hand
> signal?
>
> He spouts Shakespeare. So you just told him, simply by giving directions
> in imaginary space, to spout Shakespeare.
So you want him to be a slider. So you want to use a transition that is
easy to do in film. In film you decrease one signal increase the second
and you transition to the next scene.
To do it with two bitmaps, you simploy have one bitmap on the left, one
on teh right and you calculate the difference in color values from to
teh next for every dot in the bitmap by iterating through the matrix of
dots as shown earlier and calculating the difference between left image
and right, same coordinates just different color dots in places where
the scene has changed from one frame to the next.
Now you are still there in the last row of your little iteration
procedure comparing dots but you say to yourself well I want 10 frames
between these two. So you will adjust left color pixels in that bitmap
one tenth of the difference that you wanty when done. Then another 10th
until you have 10 frames.
Now in this case one frame will be him in the background scene, and one
without him in the background scene but you use the ram to get that
pixel color before you normally superimpose his image on it.
So now the left image has him in it and the right does not.
So he fades out quickly in one spot, and then you do the opposite in
another corner somewhere where he quickly fades into the scene.
The end result is he is a slider.
If you want a bit of directional blur towards where he will reappear
then you need to spread a portion of his bits towards that direction at
the same time. And since to show movement it is behind him that smears,
you do it that way instead as a blur behind him and some crisp pixels in
a front in front of him.
So now he is a magic mannequin. He can put on a theme and sing and
dance, he can exhibit human looking behaviors like reading and be doing
useful work, and trigger macros in imaginary space.
rick_s
>>> He walks into the room, picks up a glass, takes a sip and starts to
>>> spout Shakespeare. How on earth is he doing that? You told him where to
>>> go to set off that macro.
>>
>> Ok so what if there is no real room, and no real objects, but just a
>> pretend room and pretend objects and still send him there with a hand
>> signal?
>>
>> He spouts Shakespeare. So you just told him, simply by giving directions
>> in imaginary space, to spout Shakespeare.
>
> So you want him to be a slider. So you want to use a transition that is
> easy to do in film. In film you decrease one signal increase the second
> and you transition to the next scene.
So then how good is your memory?
Lets suppose the subject is Mars and you have some information that you
have stored on Mars in an imaginary way.
On Mars there is a city, and in that city is a building and in that
building a room, (you have a big warehouse of Mars info in this example)
and in THAT room but not only that room, you have macros.
How on earth do you get him all the way there with hand signals?
He has a medallion on his chest and when you make a hand signal, it
shows a symbol. Yes he got the right hand signal, and he is now on Mars,
you give hima another hand signal, now he has teh right city, and he
shows you that symbol on his medallion. He hasn't gone anywhere but you
in your minds eye are plotting a trip to that house, and as you do you
are making a hand gesture, and he is echoing that gesture by showing its
symbol on his medallion. You are talking he is recieving and when you
get to the right room and right object if he gets the symbol right, then
trigger the macro.
That's slow motion. Just like when you drive a car it only takes a
second or two to plot your route to your destination as quickly as you
can sign, he can get there. And the only images of the trip are in your
mind's eye. So you are translating your mental imagery into hand signals
and he is able to understand.
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So what does it all come down to? You designing a set of hand signals to
give him directions.
And at any point along the way if you can't remember where to go past
there he can show you some images to refresh your memory.
Or you can ask him to do a search of mars for that room.
Whats the room topic?
How many rooms could you possibly have on Mars to store your useful
data? And if you have a text description he will find that room find the
bitmap image and then you can direct him there or just point at the
correct room or object by itself.
You see you will find different and better ways to do it but using the
concept, "a place for everything and everything in its place", you will
know where things are supposed to be kept and will find them based on
normal common sense rules. Where do you keep your music, in a music
room, how about a recipe? In the kitchen yes but i want a french recipe,
well then its probably in some french item in the kitchen.
Well does he need to show you all the french recipes? He might.
Or you can go further into an object as long as you can remember or have
a cabinet that is alphabetized and tell him open drawer V for vichyssoise.
Or go to the main cabinet in the kitchen open P and show me the recipes
for pies.
So you can reduce it all further if you are a fanatic to directional
arrows. As long as you get him to the macro.
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What if you just told him, go to the summer kitchen and look in the main
cabinet under P for pies. Could he parse that sentence and do it?
In a heartbeat.
Lets have some music. At the risk setting off fire alrms I will send a
little song out to Adriana to reply to her since I am not catching a
flight to Spain. (You don't know nothin see. I was there already today.)
Gary the amazingest guitar player Moore will now do his wicked guitar
playing for your enjoyment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO5EN49hY
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http://photo.wenn.com/index.php?action=quicksearch&ppid=118016&version=int
Areosmith playing the Netherlands with Stone Temple Pilots . That would
be a good show to see.
Here is a song about a Veldt sort of at least knowing that, you will
understand the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icD8mBBeIwU
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So then you have your room, its a holographic film of a street, you hand
signal your assistant, his chest shows a symbol, right place, you snap
your fingers, the room slides and you don't move.
Than Einstein for that one.
Now the scene is a different part of the world. And you didn't even muss
your hair.
If you want realism, and things you can pick up, then you need to do the
usual mechanical magic of walls that switch or things that physically
move. That's big production type stuff but for your own beaming around
the world, your asssistant can handle the details all you have to do is
tell it where you want to go.
Its still just a visual experience but it could be a very convincing
experience.
Especially when someone walks out of a scene and is a real person who
walked out from behind scene on cue. Especially when almost always they
are just holograms.
Or if you want your AI to sing and dance around your TV and use the TV
as his chalkboard and be able to show movies and clips using it, while
moves around and points and play acts, and signs and makes himself
useful. Keep in mind he is only like 16 to 24 inches tall.
(Larger if the computers can manage it)
Then people will find ways to beam him across the room through the LAN.
From one machine to another and soon he will be beaming all over the
damn house. But being helpful everywhere he goes.
Inputting the information is always the most tedious part but what if,
you scanned every food item you brought into your house with the scanner
on the fridge, and your AI assistant looked that information up on the
net so he knew what it contained, he could suggest what to have for
dinner based on nutritional diets provided by a plug in from some expert
on diets.
rick_s
> Oh, you want to be a slider like your AI assistant.
>
> So then you have your room, its a holographic film of a street, you hand
> signal your assistant, his chest shows a symbol, right place, you snap
> your fingers, the room slides and you don't move.
>
>
> Now the scene is a different part of the world. And you didn't even muss
> your hair.
>
> Its still just a visual experience but it could be a very convincing
> experience.
> Or if you want your AI to sing and dance around your TV and use the TV
> as his chalkboard and be able to show movies and clips using it, while
> moves around and points and play acts, and signs and makes himself
> useful. Keep in mind he is only like 16 to 24 inches tall.
> (Larger if the computers can manage it)
So he is now using the LAN to beam around the house and Sis signals him
and he beams into her room, she wants to teach him some stuff, so she
shows him some bitmaps of rooms and shows him the symbols for each room
and teaches him the hand signal for her special rooms and the magic
symbol that only she knows appears on his chest.
Programmed.
They are watching TV now in the livingroom, she signs the AI assistant
and holographic ponies prance around on the TV table. She downloaded it
and taught it to him and now she can watch them dance and stuff. Through
the LAN to the smart TV if it has a computer a TV and a holographic
projector.
And why not every computer and monitor in the house having a holographic
projector as well.
In Dad's office, he might be looking at large scale paramecium revolving
in mid air as he examines them up close or, more realistically, he is
the basement with beer chips his buddies and some chip dip and they are
watching Sumo wrestling in the center of the room via broadcast
holographic 3D TV. He might even settle for a clicker.
In fact, everyone might be so lazy they buy the DVD install AI master
2000 and only have to make a bitmap room with stuff in it and give each
macro that it automatically can do, a number like a channel.
Even lazier, just put the DVD into the computer and press go.
He will tell you what to do. And help you to remember things.
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me, recognized me and so he signed me and he said ok, you have an
assistant who spouts Shakespeare and you have dancing ponies, whats in
it for us? (I am paraphrasing) And then he stood at ease in his
camouflage outfit like a good cadet.
So then of course you asked well we want our own assistants, and hey, I
never thought of that. Why not two, or three, then you could have the
three body problem, what about 4! A quad system, with cran chops.
Everybody loves cran chops.
Listen up cran chop boy, yes, you can have your own assistant, but there
are some conditions.
How many remotes do you have in the living-room for your TV?
What if you had 4? What if everyone on the couch had one?
That's a Simpson episode in the making right there.
So you can go to another computer and summon, your AI assistant Colonel
Rugbyhead, but Jeeves has godlike powers. And everyone in the family can
use him and he has a higher rank than colonel Rugbyhead.
Personally, I think finding Kryptonite in the kitchen is cool. I think
farting dancing prancing ponies are hilarious, and if you can get your
sister to stop crying and come out of her room before your dad comes
home then you will live to tell your buddies about it the next day at
school. Take some video of them with your cell phone camera farting and
prancing to show them because you won't be able to show them the ponies
because you will be putting them back, the way they were.
It's all fun and games until a cyclops loses an eye. So there is your
bigger sister now standing in the doorway of your room, and she has your
Roger Maris baseball card, that last time I checked was worth a small
fortune, and she is sayiong "Tell, corporal rugby-head, or whatever his
name is, to PUT, MY, STUFF, BACK, THE WAY IT WAS RIGHT NOW, or kiss your
baseball cards goodbye rat."
So I am not going to make this so you can't be a boy. But we have to
limit the damage. So the scripting language, the macro language will be
open source. What that means is you can read the text file and see the
commands that are in that file.
The upside is that you can edit it yourself. Add commands, take commands
away, share your themes and special effects.
The programs that run the AI assistants, the overlord programs, they
will be like any other computer program, and people when they download
programs always have to watch out for viruses. Viruses are like when
someone puts dog poop in your shoe.
That's different. That's not funny.
So you play your prank on your sister, and should I then say that she
can right away just ask Jeeves (if that is your family assistants name)
to put it back, or should we let her cry, and then make you apologize?
Does your sister say "Ha ha very funny, Jeeves can you restore my ponies
please"
That sort of takes the fun out of being a rebel doesn't it?
I think its more important for you to have to put it back yourself.
Now the reason everyone can use Jeeves in the house is so that your dad
will not teach Jeeves to morph into a hula dancer. He will be too
paranoid the he will get caught by someone hitting the wrong button.
If you are a bachelor, hey hula hula to your hearts content. In 3D
living color.
But if you want to preserve your family then you have to bring the thing
into the open where the family values are.
You can have fun and even have a bit of mischief and still manage to
keep your family together if you do it that way.
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>
> So I am not going to make this so you can't be a boy. But we have to
> limit the damage. So the scripting language, the macro language will be
> open source. What that means is you can read the text file and see the
> commands that are in that file.
>
>
> The upside is that you can edit it yourself. Add commands, take commands
> away, share your themes and special effects.
>
"Open Source??? Well hold on for a second lets not be too hasty"
(Got a phone call from Germany this morning on my cell phone. Wrong number)
"We wanted to invest a lot of money and we need some proprietary rights"
I know that you will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars on
this, and I know that ponies carrying banners in their mouths that sell
soap is much better than farting ponies.
But you have to realize that I have you know been on-line for a long
time and lets just say that I don't think that proprietary scripting is
for the good of the many.
Definitely make your own thing. Make Betamax. It is the way of the future.
So we have to compromise. And we will use common sense since we can
predict what will happen based on what has happened in the past.
Because I have been told not to change the system. Well asked, not told.
Don't take away people's ability to make viruses as a for instance.
And you might say WTF? But then the world still has to be managed and
well I don't want to go into how at times the pentagon or pentagoons,
need to save lives, to keep people from doing what people normally do in
an anarchy situation they need to have some type of controls too and we
can take those away but we really shouldn't because it is for the good
of the many that they have some power to if necessary bring the system
down. We can't foretell right now why that might need to be done, but
they need to be able to do it.
So don't tell anyone I told you that.
The programs will be just like the programs you have today.
So if a company wants to spend a fortune, well business is a gamble,
remember what happened to the dot com bust, and how you better bet on
reasonable odds of success, and so tried and true methods are quality
products that give the consumer what they want.
You still have your TV there because SONY asked me not to get rid of the
TV's.
And I can see the sense in that, since it is a useful thing for the AI
assistants to be able to use as well. And you can still watch TV like
you did and watch old reruns and it will still be there.
Still the focus of the living-room so that people can sell products and
the economy will stay the way it is.
But if you want to be ahead of the curve, then you want to be able to
create a great overlord program and you can because your team can do
that faster and better than a group of people can at the beginning.
And you kow that the key to success is to be in there first.
Once people get used to a company doing the base setup, they tend to
stick with them, until Microsoft goes in and smashes their stuff.
But that's your problem since business is business. You can deal with
them. The courts will help you with that. And I will be working to make
it free and open source to save you from Microsoft.
Now I might just help them like I have in the past in order to have some
compatibility and universality in the system which we all like so we can
share our themes and our work with others, and since they can afford to
make great things and give them away for free, they might be on this as
well.
Bill is a sort of friend of mine even though I am sort of his anti-thesis.
But nonetheless people have to work together. So whoever makes the best
first program will probably steal a big market share. And then you have
not just prancing ponies, you have "My Little Pony" merchandising
marketing machinery that will be selling their themes.
And it comes in a box with other stuff that you can't make yourself.
If you keep the ads in the TV and not flying around the AI assistants I
will help you make the system work.
Thats probably all I need to say since we all know the business and how
it works, and where the opportunities will be etc because this is not
the first revolution of this kind we have seen in the last 20 years.
rick_s
I will tell you a bit of the background research and you can just take
it as I tell it or ignore it and whatever.
So in our testing I am not the only person in the world who has Sandman
designation and training. I have a buddy here on earth from back home,
he reincarnated and I ran into him here. Now I hadn't been here since
the dawn of man on earth but he was here all the time life after life
during that time, lets call it 2 million years.
And so you would expect that there might be legends about a mythical
character named David.
And along with his mythology is this belief in the Jewish people that he
will come along and save wives from their cruel wicked husbands.
What a lucky man he is. THERE HE IS GIRLS! They probably say up late at
night waiting for him to pick them up and sweep them off their feet.
He spent all that time in hiding. But still it was nice to know that
someone else was here besides me who could give people a virtual Veldt
experience. He was really worried about me doing this research because
he was sure I would not be able to handle it. Maybe I should be in
hiding too was his opinion.
But I had to do it anyways and it worked out fine because I have lots of
helpers. Part of the success of this research was from only hiding it a
bit. Not trying to hide it completely and telling everyone right up
front hey, this is not about me, this is for the girls. The guys have
computer games and sports, this is for the girls and letting them drive.
Let them decide things and how it is managed and all of that.
It was their thing and not mine.
And so now as we design this next level architecture the idea is to make
the system so that both boys and girls enjoy it equally.
Now I am not even going to tell anyone what I learned. They are going to
keep their secrets. And we will just design the thing with the
information that I gathered from the research.
But since it was pretty open research, enough guys followed along to
know exactly how this works for them and what they like.
And the signing and all of that to control the AI and the concept of
Veldts, and how to manage the AI assistants and all of that comes from
that research. What affect this will have on their families and their
relationships we pretty much know already because of the research we did.
Keep in mind we also have empirical data from pc use and how surfing
porn sites affects families, how finding emails from strippers in your
email box affects your wife's ability to cook dinner should be no secret
either.
People have managed all of that pretty well themselves to date, but as
we go further with this technology we will try to make it less of a
cocooning event and more of a fun for the whole family event.
And more social in terms of how you make communities and manage complex
relationships when you have the ability to network Veldts.
You won't have someone like me there who is the only one with keys to
the Veldt. You will all have your own Veldts and hold your own keys.
But you know over 60,000 people from all over the world participated in
this study actual took part, visited the virtual Veldt space, and
millions more knew what was going on. So they won't need training in how
to manage anything because people figured out by watching how to manage
the thing.
Now that I think about it, it really removed a lot of barriers between
women, since they had this thing to use to work out things like pecking
orders and social taboos and effects on relationships in general.
And when you do anything with your Veldts, they will know what you are
doing. Maybe not all of what you are doing but they know what to look
for, I mean this is their territory now. They are the experts at
managing relationships and using body language and social networking and
all the rest. Its what they do. Often _why they shop, and so they know a
lot about social networking.
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> And when you do anything with your Veldts, they will know what you are
> doing. Maybe not all of what you are doing but they know what to look
> for, I mean this is their territory now. They are the experts at
> managing relationships and using body language and social networking and
> all the rest. Its what they do. Often _why they shop, and so they know a
> lot about social networking.
>
So before I get any more polite emails from young cadets itching to do
battle in 3D space, I should talk a little bit about being able to send
Colonel Rugbyhead over to your buddies house.
You will be able to summon your AI assistant anywhere where there is the
Internet.
Providing we want to be able to do that. It means not having to learn
more about Network Neighborhood, it means having to know a lot less
about Network Neighborhood because hey Bill, that shit doesn't work ok?
It never has worked and only provides doors for people to mess with your
system.
So solid encryption, rock fucking solid encryption, which is unbreakable
by the pentagon with supercomputers will be used.
And how that works is the overlord process has the ability to use stamps
for encryption.You won't be using Windows to summon your Ai assistant,
you will use the overlord process that program to do it, you don't need
to know how it works, you will just tell the program to summon your AI
and give it the address. Your IP address and that.
So how stamp encryption works is you have a small bitmap from outside in
the real world. You can take the picture yourself. And you put that on a
thumbnail drive with a bunch of other pictures on that drive so in case
someone finds it, they won't know it is a stamp. It doesn't say stamp on
it , it is just a photograph. ANY photograph.
Not stop for a second and imagine how long it would take a supercomputer
to recreate that photograph, that particular photograph by randomly
generating dots on the screen. Shall we say a squillion squillion years?
And you need to have someone sitting there saying STOP no wait that's
Whistlers mother (a famous painting), keep going. The computer can't
tell what a photograph looks like from any random dot pattern except
unless you tell it you are identifying faces, and all of that.
So you have a photograph, and that is your stamp, and it is in digital
form on your thumbnail drive, and the overlord process uses that in an
algorythm.
It iterates through that bitmap multiplying and dividing the values of
each dot and scrambles them.
So you now have a scrambled bitmap that is your key.
So only your photograph on your thumbnail drive when the same algorithm
is applied will match that scrambled image that is your key.
You cannot use the forced method of encryption breaking to break that
code it would take forever, and since you cannot guess the values of
each pixel in a scrambled image like you can a seven letter password you
cannot get that password unless you use espionage and most hackers are
too lazy to go outside and get on the bus and try to find out what
picture you are using as your key.
It doesn't matter if they know the math you used. Times 4, divide by 3,
times 8, divide by 6 plus 15. as an example. So what? They know the
math, but they do not know the values of the pixels in your photograph.
A key for the house has a lot less complication in its design and
people almost never are able to forge a house key. They won't forge your
photograph. Now if they find your thumbnail drive still which image is
it? How many tries are they going to have before their IP is blocked?
What 5? So you have 105 photographs.
Want even more encryption? Run the scrambled image through again.
Now to guess what an image might be, if you used a computer to try
different algorithms, you might get a little close and say hey, there
that might be a fence, what image does he have on his thumbnail that has
a fence in it.
Well they can't say that when its hey, that looks like more random noise.
You reverse the process by descrambling to a scrambled image and then to
the correct image and the image returns the way it was taken.
rick_s
This is too complicated for most people to understand in a simple way,
so a password has what?7 characters? Maybe they insist on what 20?
A photograph has 1.2 million characters and you don't have to remember
them, you just have to remember which photograph is your stamp.
So you can use that for your own use any way you want.
Make the user select a set of operations what the pattern is, divide by
6 multiply by 8 etc if you don't want them to know that by siomply
looking at the code in the program with a hex editor. If you only have
one set of operations for everyone, that makes it easier to hack because
then they just have to find a way to try all your photographs on your
thumbnail drive. If YOU decide what operations to do, they can't reverse
engineer a scrambled picture to find out what operations you used.
They have nothing to go on, and no way to even work towards a solution.
They have to by miracle, get it right or you won't see any sort of image
at all when you try to break the code.
Its overkill but it is easier to carry a photograph then to have to
remember a 20 word password and then answer private questions, and all
the things they do for banking on-line today. And that sort of works for
banks today too doesn't it?
Actually it doesn't. Banks have lost billions in the last 20 years by
people hacking other people's accounts and defrauding the credit card
system, and Interact by using fake equipment in stores and all the rest.
But all you have to do is have a little stamp and that is your password.
Plus of course the scrambled image will be sent using encryption since
network traffic is often encrypted now anyways.
Yeah too bad if the pentagon doesn't like that one, or the NSA,, they
have the CIA to do espionage the old fashioned way if need be they can
get off their fat butts and do some real work for a change instead of
sitting there surfing the web all day long as if it was a real job.
rick_s
> On 6/24/2010 14:18, rick_s wrote:
>> On 6/24/2010 13:41, rick_s wrote:
>>
>>> And when you do anything with your Veldts, they will know what you are
>>> doing. Maybe not all of what you are doing but they know what to look
>>> for, I mean this is their territory now. They are the experts at
>>> managing relationships and using body language and social networking and
>>> all the rest. Its what they do. Often _why they shop, and so they know a
>>> lot about social networking.
>>>
>>
>> So before I get any more polite emails from young cadets itching to do
>> battle in 3D space, I should talk a little bit about being able to send
>> Colonel Rugbyhead over to your buddies house.
>>
>> You will be able to summon your AI assistant anywhere where there is the
>> Internet.
So then you have some privacy right through to Veldt networking and what
happens in Vegas can stay in Vegas.
Keep in mind though that women are psychic, and have women's intuition
and they can spot guilt on your face instantly.
Your mom is going to know what you are up to, 5 minutes after she says
to herself, what is he up to?
So I think its best, if the AI assistants are compatible with the women
in the household. That they feel comfortable using them and the best way
for the whole thing to work in a family is for mom to manage that stuff
mostly.
She will be the one to set limits on this whole thing in your house.
Your dad is often too busy, he will let you turn the statue in the foyer
from a Greek statue to a dinosaur because he wants to see the looks on
the faces of the ladies axillary when they come over to tea and see it
just inside the door. Your mom went shopping to have sopmething to wear
for that event you know.
She might look at that differently than you since she has to show her
face in public at other parties and stuff and people want to project an
image of their family as being suitable for a magazine spread like Good
Housekeeping.
What you do in your room with the fixtures that can be modified is
probably up to you. Instead a poster you can have a large hologram of
the Hulk! If that rocks your world.
Not at first though because at first we are starting with little helpful
wizards.
How helpful are they?
Everyone gets up, mom has to get breakfast for everyone and make lunches
and she also has a 3 year old. The TV works ok to sit the 3 year old
down so she is not under foot, but a talking pony that can say, do you
want to play with me? That's worth spending a couple hundred bucks at
the store for a DVD that can do that.
rick_s
scientists of some sort or programmers...
When we iterate through the cube like so...
x is assigned 1 to 320 do
y is assigned 1 to 320 do
z is assigned 1 to 320 do
we access each dot in the last line of that psuedo-code.
And we do that by addressing each dot. Each dot has a location in x, and
one in y and one in z. That gives a place in space. An address like so...
if x=20 and y=30 and z=28 then the address of that dot is [20,30,28]
We are assuming here that the convention is in the order of xyz so that
when you put those values together like that, the programming language
knows which is x, which is y and which is z.
That convention is simply whatever the programming language is you are
using but it seems like common sense to follow alphabetical order.
So whenever we want to change a value of that dot, we refer to it by its
address in space.
And to change that value we might use a function and name that function
so we know what it does, and then just say to the programming language,
do (whatever name of function you make up)to the dot at xyz.
That function can test any value of that dot. Like a particle has
properties, these dots have properties.
The other point I want to clarify is with networking Veldts and making
game rooms.
You can either send them a photograph for use as a password, that allows
the level of access associated with that file photograph of yours that
you sent them, or send everyone the same one, and let them make copies
and give them to other people for a different level of access.
So that is guest access the last part where everyone has the same
photograph and the sysop can simply invalidate that after any party and
those who had that pass would now need a new invite.
Headlines
"The first wedding in a Veldt"
Over two million people attended the first public wedding a Veldt today
as Mr. and Mrs. Smith of Vermont were joined in holy matrimony.
etc...
rick_s
>
> Headlines
> "The first wedding in a Veldt"
> Over two million people attended the first public wedding a Veldt today
> as Mr. and Mrs. Smith of Vermont were joined in holy matrimony.
>
> etc...
>
"Oh it was such a beautiful wedding, I cried and cried..." (don't laugh
if you don't like burnt pancakes or want to host the Tonight Show.)
Annnnnd sporting events c'mon, WWF in your basement with the boy, and
you have your own vuvu noise making things down there that's bonding.
But its still just the rec room. You can't live down there.
So have a phantasmagorical aquarium wall upstairs, with tropical fish,
and all that stuff that you find around coral reefs, and it will look
like it is right there behind glass.
Or for you weirdos out there have the thing from the fridge in
Ghostbusters up there in the wind on the top of that sky scraper.
Or a fake lake like they will be enjoying at the world summit in Toronto
or wherever it is, I don't pay much attention to politics these days not
since the days we tried to have that summit which they are finally
having now.
I hope it excites them about this new technology since it will mean good
news for skilled labor and economic growth.
Holograms are here to stay.
"When I say move you move."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSRF3slguhI
rick_s
>
> Holograms are here to stay.
>
> "When I say move you move."
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSRF3slguhI
I suppose you will be able to rent holographic plays and movies and
watch them in your playroom/rec room/Veldt
We might only be able to compute a 3D space that is 320x320x320 but the
girls aloud holographic projection was life size.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Zc76sypeYvk&feature=fvw
and the Veldt G8 summit in Toronto...
From the Star...
"Walkom: Harper’s fake lake and the virtual reality summit"
Shorter url same story...
http://alturl.com/crw7
That's nice to see something new for a change.
And 3D TV from SONY (and others no doubt) ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=froIGgjJwOI
rick_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxV0U6_vm3k&NR=1
requires glasses and here is one by someone else that does not require
glasses... (oops SONY was asleep at the wheel? lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=0SyuEjBEMN4&feature=related
Looks like Tipperary to me.
rick_s
And a company that makes lenses that turn any 2D content into 3D it fits
over your monitor or TV and will be used also in theaters and requires
no glasses and is cheap as borsch.
http://www.realview.ie/realview-launches-deep-screen-for-more-immersive-gaming-at-e3/
So we will see what they do and how quickly they do it but in the mean
time there is a market of 3D content and 3D programs and holograms are
already here as well.
http://www.laser-magic.com/HoloMirror_360.htm
Whatever works and is cheap will do. For me like many others, we will be
thinking of content and using the technology in other ways and the AI
and overlord processes don't require holographic technology but they
enhance that capability.
rick_s
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures-story/140--3DTV-stereoscopic-polarization.html
What??? I can't hear you. you're breaking up crrracklecracle you seem to
be saying something about talking ponies and stuff and an AI assistant
but I am not quite sure.
Colonel Rugbyhead can we talk? Now I don't want to be alarmist but I
think kids are trying to take over the world again. Don't turn your
head, just act natural. I have heard rumors of flying opera singers that
are not affected by Kryptonite and I am beginning to suspect they may be
in cahoots.
You are sure it is nothing? Whose side are you on?
And so it begins.
I am not going to get into the this product is better than that product,
the market always decides what is best for people since they make that
decision themselves everytime they go shopping.
I will support SONY since they are a good company who is not afraid to
spend money on development and that is why they are an industry leader.
Yes it has cost me a few times and I get annoyed at some of the little
faux pas they make, I did lose a VAIO laptop once just because it wasn't
cost effective to replace the firewire port that wore out.
And I have bought lots of their video cameras and any company that has
the balls to put out a camera with xray vision has my full support.
The last one I bought last year the hi res has excellent zoom and slo mo
and sure it has its problems but it is still a leading edge technology
although it doesn't have xray vision.
From what I could see and as I suspected even if they were calling us
to do some development (The International Community)not responding until
they released the sharks has not really held anyone up.
If they really want to get our attention then we would like proper 3D
architecture so we have the speed and power and quantum computers to do
the stuff that we want to do, which is really not to create 3D games
which require glasses. And based on 2D architecture at that.
Which is makeshift engineering. Why people do not want to do it properly
is maybe they don't know how or they don't care or they like to Mickey
Mouse everything they do. I don't know.
If you ask the wrong people they will tell you that 2D architecture is
all you need. Maybe you should ask someone else besides a salesman. You
guys at SONY there may not know any, but maybe someone could point you
at some computer scientists or Intel. Intel might be able to come to an
agreement with you to make 3D architecture based on the processes I have
laid out in this thread. Simple quantum processes that are not magic.
The magical mystique of quantum mechanics may be preventing you from
designing a system that uses quantum principals.
I think you had better not wait for papers to be written that coincide
with what I have told you because for papers to be written along these
lines in its totality would require someone sticking their necks out and
they don't do much of that.
Papers will be written, but safe type of not sticking your neck out
papers regarding some of the principals and linguistics and AI for sure
but the maybe boolean operator well I don't know.
The ball is in your court, so you will have to call me again when you
get a free standing hologram on a desk for cheap that can be connected
to your pc.
Keep in mind I have all the technology I need and am satisfied with what
I have. I just shelled out a whole whack of money on a new hi def LG TV
monitor like everyone else.
But I love AI and I love to program computers. So I am going to help the
kids take over teh world and get them their AI assistants.
And I will suppose that we are all on the same track, even if not on the
same page yet.
I am glad now that I supported our Canadian Prime Minister all those
years because he is forward thinking and showcasing future technology
and I am impressed with that.
1.2 million for a large veldt the size of a very large arena.
Or building, probably the one I was in as a kid, in the CNE, when the
last revolution took place. At that time it was 169 and in that building
was another world.
Time Being it was called and where I was at, we maybe heard about this
revolution a bit but when you walked in that door you were immersed in it.
Strobe lights flashing in the entrance-way and as people walked in, they
were frozen in time. And inside was incense peppermints and crinmson and
clover and inna godda da vida and long hair and moustaches and all this
weird stuff from some kind of invasion from India.
A great cultural shock. A view into the future. And now I think you are
in that same building for the G8 Veldt maybe.
So the price of 1.2 million will come down, it always does. And in the
mean time, we will be working to have our stuff ready when some company
hits the right combination and design and voila a hologram on your desktop.
Now if SONY has that already and I suspect they do, then they should
keep in mind that other people are getting very close to that, so maybe
you really need to watch how much effort you put into those glasses and
that 3D technology that needs them.
Even today if you go and buy some color cellophane, you can make 3D
glasses and computers have been able to generate those types of 3D
images and video for 15 years and no one jumped up and went and bought
some cellophane or picked up a pair of red and green glasses for a buck
at a toy store. I can hear those kids in that link much clearer than I
can hear you. Notice? They are speaking my language.
But thanks for releasing the sharks we need that to get us motivated and
to get that development cash in circulation.
rick_s
support of 3D TV and they look forward to providing content.
In a computer generated situation as discussed in this thread who are
you going to get to make your video for your Veldt if you don't use
people like Bruce Willis as dinosaur hunting guide?
What sort of wizard AI assistant are you going to have if it is not an
actor filmed? We are not talking about all animated characters here. In
fact we are talking about bridging the gap between us and that Librarian
from Time Machine remake.
Don't forget that we can time travel with this technology.
Not really but real enough to believe you can at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_s2Pk1DHI
rick_s
How we will Time Travel is by observing actors in period costumes in a
Veldt and we might be in a sort of Time Machine, and observing the past
or future as portrayed by actors in a holographic environment maybe from
the perspective of being invisible center stage and I mean center not
center front.
Some people will like to just sit in front and watch a holographic play
but imagine the possibilities of Time Travel and that is only one small
part of the capabilities of a Veldt.
But it has to be comfortable. Quick scene switches and things flying at
you if they make people feel queasy or nauseous then don't go down that
pathway.
It has to be comfortable. Let Disney gamble on wild and crazy rides
before you focus on that for the home.
People have to justify their expenditures even if they are wealthy and
they are more apt to invest in something for the home that has some
educational value, since they already have a PS3 and know how that
affects them as a family.
rick_s
You know I suspect that even a 2 foot high Arnold Schwarzenegger
commando or Silvestor Stalone Green Beret Seargant would sell almost as
good as a 2 foot high singing and dancing Miley Cyrus CD.
rick_s
> You know I suspect that even a 2 foot high Arnold Schwarzenegger
> commando or Silvestor Stalone Green Beret Seargant would sell almost as
> good as a 2 foot high singing and dancing Miley Cyrus CD.
>
>
How would the sergeant and commando work as an AI?
Teaching history through multimedia and as an assistant during game play
where games programmers as they are writing games they ask the question
where would a good place for advice be in this game?
And they write a suggestion in the form of an encouragement maybe with
strategy and then gamers add that function for people who have the
characters.
They merely say it is AI assistant capable or similar.
You can picture that in your minds eye what that looks like when Arnold
or Silvester in costume 2 feet high are appearing to be watching and
helping.
The game triggers the encouragement or strategy in keeping with the
character. You can string together short sequences of behavior in an AI
to make a fluid stretch of interaction as long as you remember which
smileys go with which immediately before and after.
The problem yo see that looks not natural when you string together bits
of film to be controlled by computer is that they 'cut to', from one
emotion to another that is not natural progression.
It takes some talent to do it right but people will watch those talented
claymation artists and learn some tricks that can be applied.
So again consider what it might be like in your house, to walk into your
sons room while his assistant is there helping him with his homework.
(wink wink) and in his sisters room, Miley is dancing and singing on a
table and the girls are working out to the music.
Playing from a cd that you can buy that has a 2 foot high hologram of
her right there. Then you could really learn the moves. And get exercise
too which is as good as vitamins I think. (How'm I doing?)
Oh you people are going to be spending money one of these Christmases
coming up soon my friends.
Ciao for now.
rick_s
Well you looked gorgeous yesterday but you weren't wearing the right
colors so thats why I didn't call you. So its your turn to be mad at me
now. You girls never should have taught me this stuff.
Which brings up a couple emails I got today, what about the gorgeous
young bachelorettes, whats in it for them.
I really don't know yet. It's pure science, and pure science is like
that. But for sure going to Veldt wedding with flying opera singers and
everything, unicorns, the whole enchilada, would be amazing.
(wht? I am not just saying that to get laid)
I would think that in time Veldts will be developed so you can go to a
club and socialize without having to worry about driving home.
It's not going to do away with real physical contact but lets go 30
years into the future, and if you can't make it to the club you could
stop by as a hologram for a bit.
You might be seeing yourself through a camera there but at least you
could be there in some sense.
Another thing is if you walk into an Internet cafe like there are today
all over, what you would probably see are people in a row at a long
desk, just like today, using the computers, and there is Colonel
Rugbyhead, there is Gazoo, there is Sir Lancelot, there is a nicely
dressed secretary in a pencil skirt and heels, and they are all 16
inches tall standing beside the monitors because people just put their
thumbnail drive into the USB port and summon their assistant even if
they don't need to use them right away, but in case they do, out of habit.
They don't take up much space, in fact you can wave your hand through
them and they won't spill your coffee. And you don't have to pick up
after them, (I better stop there or I will be in danger of being
replaced by one)
rick_s
Well I was just thinking that maybe I shouldn't mention the S word since
it might affect commercial real-estate values but one thing a hologram
can't do your hair and nails.
I don't want to seem chauvinistic because women are as interested in
their careers and in studying science and history and all of that as men
are.
And they will do that too. But the emails I got were love/relationship
related to say well Ohhhh is that where all the bachelors wennnnnt.
They're watching the little hula dancerrrrrs.
Talking to my girlfriend is not the best way to actually discuss the
benefits of the Veldt form a male perspective but I will tell you this,
holographic hula dancers do get moody at um certain times too.
If you program them that way and (I better shut up now)
rick_s
> On 6/25/2010 11:47, rick_s wrote:
>> http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/photo.php?id=ashley_greene_stripes_4&title=Ashley%20Greene%20Pictures&loc=3
>>
>
> Talking to my girlfriend is not the best way to actually discuss the
> benefits of the Veldt form a male perspective but I will tell you this,
> holographic hula dancers do get moody at um certain times too.
> If you program them that way and (I better shut up now)
>
Well I suppose you know, we can talk about everything and anything but
people, other people do not want to here pure realistic honesty
regarding the facts when it comes to men and women, even from a scientist.
The differences between Mars and Venus are such that often they will
need a Veldt in order to stay together, when they are getting on each
others nerves. Look what we do. When I am mad at you, I still pick you
up and we sleep together because I am not THAT mad at you that I don't
want to preserve our relationship, and we don't even have to talk or
make love.
Getting on each others nerves is not the right phraseology because you
and I are highly compatible, but most people do not have that much luck
and have to work hard to make things work. Now they will have a larger
dating pool once the Veldts become widespread and that will lead to
higher degrees of compatibility in the population.
There will be people who have only Veldt relationships of course because
people need each other but people like their own space too.
Some people will meet who geographically can't get together and yet they
may even get married in a Vledt church and never meet in person.
And so what? If they manage a love relationship and both get what they
need out of the relationship that's not as bad as a guy who is in prison
meeting a girl who he writes to at a dating agency or wherever they
manage to find girls even when they are in prison, but some women like
that because they want to be needed and well I don't know people fall in
love even in court during trials. With their lawyers and in any
situation really.
You see for men sex is the prime motivator most of their lives.
That makes them go to clubs and walk 500 miles for a kiss and all of
that. If they satisfy that urge, and have a bicycle, well then why CAN'T
they watch sports all day long if they want to, and drink a beer in the
morning , if they want to, leave dishes in the sink even, and not put
the seat down in the bathroom a n y time they want.
And some girls would rather carry dog poo in a plastic bag in their
purse or pocket every day, rather than have to touch a smelly work sock.
You know that compatibility is the issue and when two people are
compatible, and both are willing to make the relationship work, the only
thing that might interfere is if one wants children and the other
doesn't. Both men and women have biological clocks that go off at some
time and they feel like they would like to have children. Not everyone,
because its more of a social norm, peer pressure and societal pressure
and often just because they want old fashioned values, or not to miss
out on that experience in life and some people manage fine without children.
But you see our Veldt is different. And yours and my relationship is
also different. So even with all the research I did, I can't transpose
that exactly into the Veldts people will make for themselves.
So we will be studying human behaviors while people are living with one
foot in a holographic world and one foot in the real world.
I guess the G8/G20 started today in Toronto because Obama flew into
Toronto today.
So that' exciting because now we have something to look forward to as a
group of nations. We have some direction in the tech industry after it
has been flat for a long time. So that means new opportunities for a lot
of people and the other industries that are connected to high tech.
It's a big shot in the arm for the global economy.
rick_s
>
> Now they will have a larger dating pool once the Veldts become
> widespread and that will lead to higher degrees of compatibility in
> the population.
>
...
> You know that compatibility is the issue and when two people are
> compatible, and both are willing to make the relationship work, the
> only thing that might interfere is if one wants children and the
> other doesn't. Both men and women have biological clocks that go off
> at some time and they feel like they would like to have children. Not
> everyone, because its more of a social norm, peer pressure and
> societal pressure and often just because they want old fashioned
> values, or not to miss out on that experience in life and some people
> manage fine without children.
>
>
So let's suppose that if I don't answer this question today, someone
will sign me tomorrow, a girl, and ask me this question so then if two
people had a Veldt only relationship, could they have a baby Gazoo?
"Awww he's all heaaad" "And a cute little flying saucer"
Well, um, its almost as good as a farting prancing dancing pony at
parties, who could say no to that? And no diapers to change.
But what about REAl relationships in a Veldt? With real pretend babies.
It's doable. As is the one parent having a real child and them all being
a family in a veldt.
Keep in mind that this may require pario, some type of interface between
two people that includes some contact through an intermediary source.
A sheer smart body suit that contracts slightly by some magical means.
If the fabric contracts slightly in the influence of a magnetic field or
is affected by light, or who knows really. I think people have been
working on this for some time. Lawnmowerman by Stephen King has some
more information. You see for me, being a special case we can achieve
pario already through our own magical means, another sense.
But maybe everyone can't do that I don't know because it's such a
personal thing that even Dr. Venkman probably couldn't whats the word
'coax' it out of a university student.
Its possible that people awaken their psychic abilities by using Veldts
and communicating and putting various things together by pieces then
using their intuition to fill in the gaps and then by practice they
enhance their intuition. At a point, they can enter into synchronicity.
A heightened awareness of connected events. Real and imagined.
Quantum based. Life becomes very 'mabyeful.' You decide when to collapse
the wave function and when not to (when possible) based on your own
theme timeline pathway.
Here experience is probably the only way to do this it is like evolving
in a different environment. It is adaptation.
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ideas when we design systems.
One such idea is Gazoo, and another might be from the movie with the
animated polar bears, the Golden Compass where they have these spirit
animals.
People have had a lot of ideas in the past including the incredible
Barbara Eden as the sensuous sixties genie in a bottle from I dream of
Genie.
(Christina helped us to construct the signing language and it is much
more fun to watch her video, than the youtube videos from I dream of
Jeanie which have not got themselves infected heavily with spam.
That worst of all evils, which will cause people to bring the entire
world to its knees at some point and colpase the global economy when
they have finally had enough. Which is good because real change can only
come through revolution as some other philosopher in the past said)
Without further interruption, Christina, who now is married and has a
child but this was when she was in her young and single time of life
which I am trying to focus on today for the sake of the girls who signed
me while I was out and about and asked me what about us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=eVIZDRuLHOs&feature=related
What about, if you wanted to be someone's genie, yourself? Even if it
was just when you wanted to. On your own schedule.
I mean if memory serves, Gazoo wasn't always prompt when Fred Flintstone
called _him. But that didn't turn out well.
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=eVIZDRuLHOs&feature=related
>
> What about, if you wanted to be someone's genie, yourself? Even if it
> was just when you wanted to. On your own schedule.
>
> I mean if memory serves, Gazoo wasn't always prompt when Fred Flintstone
> called _him. But that didn't turn out well.
>
In space you can bang your secretary without getting arrested.
All over the world of hand creme events its happening right now and
since it is in people's imagination it is considered sacred territory.
Also married people after the 7 years (typical 7 year itch when they are
so used to each other, strangers or other people may excite them more
than their partner for a time as they begin to feel the need for
novelty/variety.)
For sure people are looking at the little cloud pictures in a bubble
above their heads of Rock Hudson or someone while enjoying sex with
their partner.
So then what makes a Veldt different from that? Well perhaps its shared
and not private. Now what if you brought Jeannie to the Internet
coffeeshop, and she is lifelike and 16 inches tall you are going to get
some kudos from some people.
And if you were playing that part taking it to a higher level, you would
still need eyes to see and then you should see the movie Surrrogates to
see that people who do that, tend to stay indoors a lot and really could
use some sun or some makeup. Lots of makeup.
But maybe you just want to do it at a party that you can't attend or for
fun or to go to the bar and around the bar on the wall is a 3 foot ledge
and the people on the dance floor can see the little characters beaming
in and out and dancing and making rude jestures getting their ip banned
and they get barred, and some guys chatting up little Jeanies leaning
close to the ledge, and that sort of thing where Gazoo is part of your
culture and so is Jeannie.
Um maybe save the flying opera singers for weddings and banquets because
that keeps them special.
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> But maybe you just want to do it at a party that you can't attend or for
> fun or to go to the bar and around the bar on the wall is a 3 foot ledge
> and the people on the dance floor can see the little characters beaming
> in and out and dancing and making rude jestures getting their ip banned
> and they get barred, and some guys chatting up little Jeanies leaning
> close to the ledge, and that sort of thing where Gazoo is part of your
> culture and so is Jeannie.
>
> Um maybe save the flying opera singers for weddings and banquets because
> that keeps them special.
>
>
If B the C and so maybe you want to BE a flying opera singer part time.
But hologram's don't have eyes. Well simulators have different 3D views
but that is not immersive. Not as immersive as a cockpit view.
But since the holographic projector is sitting there beside the monitors
usually, that inhibits flying around the Internet coffee shop.
It doesn't exclude a webcam on a pole 24 inches behind the place where
the character stands when it beams in. And uyou can control it remotely
if you are a real person, which gives you eyes.
Or if you set up a path with a macro and get your assistant to do it if
it is not a person playing genie but your AI assistant and you just want
to scan the room for your friends, have your assistant recognize faces,
find your friends around the world by searching every equipped
coffeeshop hangout bar in the world, using up a lot of bandwidth in the
process except, its not because they are there, using the pc there, and
no need to send web cam footage back to you, unless you want that
otherwise they will beam on to the next available spot until they find them.
Now it's driving everyone crazy AI assistants beaming in and out every 5
seconds that way so you have invisible presences. They just use the pc
there and the webcam to search for your friends.
They just use the webcam to scan for your friends, except now, you have
a million hits at the bar preventing normal traffic. So you can't expect
that to work well without lots of thought going into it.
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> If B then C and so maybe you want to BE a flying opera singer part time.
>
> But hologram's don't have eyes.
...
> Now it's driving everyone crazy AI assistants beaming in and out every 5
> seconds that way so you have invisible presences. They just use the pc
> there and the webcam to search for your friends.
>
> They just use the webcam to scan for your friends, except now, you have
> a million hits at the bar preventing normal traffic. So you can't expect
> that to work well without lots of thought going into it.
>
So back to baby Gazoo since it's girls day and we are talking about
socializing using your AI assistant.
And socializing AS an AI assistant where you role play in public spaces
such as the 3 foot bar shelf, and beside a pc in an Internet coffee shop.
You see you don't have to worry about disrupting the last school on
earth since they don't have hologram terminals beside their antique desks.
Life will be a learning experience. We have that technology to call up
facts within seconds so then its a matter of calling up the correct facts.
Your AI assistant can't do that by itself, but Wonder Widget
Incorporated has a team of specialists who have a type of filtered
Internet, lets call them Workipedia, and say you subscriobe to the facts
that they present because you like their world view.
And so does some field of Industry who wants congruent teaching that
matches their trade or profession like a University provides for the
working public today.
Rigid controlled learning if that works or just learn while you Veldt
and before exams your AI assistant is helping you cram, and even when
you are at the bar, socializing, they might available to fill the gaps
in your knowledge that you are discussing with other students.
If you are hanging around where premed students hang around as a for
instance.
So then for sure you want baby gazoo because you see enough real babies
during school hours, or you have an AI assistant that looks like Albert
Schweitzer or Louis Pasteur.
If you want good grades you might mention that to your teacher in
passing if he can't see your AI assistant from where you are. And if he
can't see your AI assistant then it could be baby Gazoo and who would know?
Well, are there cameras? If not then what if you have a Louis Pasteur
for the professor to see and when he is not there, Jeannie pops back and
giggles or baby Gazoo or one of those dogs monsters from Ghostbusters.
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>
> So then for sure you want baby gazoo because you see enough real babies
> during school hours, or you have an AI assistant that looks like Albert
> Schweitzer or Louis Pasteur.
>
> If you want good grades you might mention that to your teacher in
> passing if he can't see your AI assistant from where you are. And if he
> can't see your AI assistant then it could be baby Gazoo and who would know?
>
> Well, are there cameras? If not then what if you have a Louis Pasteur
> for the professor to see and when he is not there, Jeannie pops back and
> giggles or baby Gazoo or one of those dogs monsters from Ghostbusters.
>
If C then D and you want two matching dog monsters, and quad full of
cran chops.
Thankfully there is only one hologram terminal per pc at the Internet
coffee-shop and so you have two little ones, and Zul there and smoke
around her head, and bats flying around in 3D and thankfully you can't
hear the people screaming as they are being eaten, in the foreground and
so you get barred from the Internet coffee-shop and man, that was a
great coffee-shop too!
So you try to forge your ip, and you try to get around the ban with a
proxy, and next thing you know, Will Smith beams into YOUR holographic
projector beside YOUR pc and he wants to give you a ticket or notifies
you that he represents your _providER and is a representative of the
cable company you subscribe too and due to numerous complaints from the
general public regarding your behavior, your account will be suspended
for 48 hours and if you do not like that, you may find another service.
Some day the Wild West will be tamed a bit for the good of the many, but
lets hope it does not take the form of little cartoon police cars and
little motor-cycle cops like CHIPS unless they are there for your own
amusement an AI assistant thematic cinematic experience which frankly
would be a distraction to other people who might not share your tastes.
So the animated scenes that you might want to use in lieu of an AI
assistant will have to undergo testing in the field to see if (don't
push, line up at the side of the building if you are applying for that
grant) to see if that might be socially acceptable or if there need be a
restriction on AI assistant depiction to a socially acceptable singular
character with 5 heads, 6 arms, 43 permitted bug parts, etc.
Is it not better to let the market decide and to let people specifically
the moderators in public places, decide what is suitable for that
location. You see we are experienced already in this socializing because
we do this in other forms already on the Internet.
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>
> If C then D and you want two matching dog monsters, and a quad full of
> cran chops.
>
Or Zul, the clouds, the dogs the bats and we will not spoil our AI scene
with cannibalism or gross scenes because WE know, that by depicting
people getting eaten in that scene we might get barred. And its like the
guillotine wham! when it happens, you just can't log on that server
anymore, and its unforgiving usually because the moderator bans you for
life because he can, because he has a thousand other people who are not
making a nuisance of themselves but can play well with others of the
type at that location.
Compatibility.
Oh there's a coffee shop for you, if you want that sort of scene, but
then to each their own kind. Who knows where it might be and if they
have hula dancer Internet coffee shops in Tiahuana.
Social norms in your city because you are actually physically going to a
coffee shop that has the Internet, so you are wearing clothes, and you
are acting accordingly in public.
The Internet isn't like that, but real public places have dress codes
and behavioral norms.
And you want to go out and enjoy life with a kind of Gazoo culture that
will be yours as you go forth to create that which defines, your generation.
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in the coffee shop is a great place to get compostable coffee mugs.
If you are into that sort of thing. Frankly it grosses me out composting
in the coffee shop and it stinks.
It's always difficult to tell a friend that its time to change the
automatic air freshener dispenser.
Smellavison never really got off the ground but SONY will probably have
a product for you, that can do that, if you were willing to pay for that.
The Veldt experience can release scents that's simple and easy to do. As
easy as a trip to the Lagoona Beach aromatherapy coffee shop and
cleansing spa.
Shall we pick on California or head straight to Vegas?
In public places remember now you are there with people who are afraid
of those things, "those what do you call them AI's? They scare me. I saw
one eating little people once and had nightmares for weeks"
Yes you can go shopping with Zul, to the grocery store, providing it
doesn't affect the social norms but now she will be less than 6 inches
tall sitting in her throne hovering above your Iphone screen and showing
you your shopping list.
And doing some comparative pricing because Zul is an AI who can surf
grocery store sites and check prices. At least the big ticket items,
unless you are a coupon clipper and then whatever your habits are in
that regard she will know how to do that for you.
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> And doing some comparative pricing because Zul is an AI who can surf
> grocery store sites and check prices. At least the big ticket items,
> unless you are a coupon clipper and then whatever your habits are in
> that regard she will know how to do that for you.
>
>
I am sooo going to get emails from smaller people tomorrow who want that
too.
And why not? Why not go to Starbucks, sit there with your ponies, or if
you want to be cool and a little more shall we say grown up in
Starbucks, then your somewhat younger Zul with a different color stripe
in her hair. And instead of dogs she has ponies. Dogs with ponies and
cran chops. You can spend a lot of time perfecting your Zul.
You will be able to use the scripting language and yes, I am a
programmer and a net guru of sorts so I do know that if you read java
script, you probably have a pencil protector. And if you make java that
other people can't read well, you are starting to enter the world of
business.
Zul is not a web page, and your Zul if you want to be able to modify her
behaviors and trigger those macros the way YOU want it be, then you need
to be able to read your own scripts.
If you want to share your scripts with others, on a website that has
1000 scripts for Zul and scripts for cran chops, and scripts for skins
and scripts for animations, and scripts for intelligence factors, and
hey there is a universe of game room style modifications and modifiers
to make you Zul jsut the way you like her.
My other roomate a month ago came home late coincidentally onmy birthday
which I was keeping to myself not being the kind of person who likes
surprise parties, but he brought in this gorgeous 20 something Angelina
Jolie lookalike, who he said he saw running across teh bridge as fast as
she could so he asked her if she was ok and she said she was looking for
a payphone on friday night at 2 AM. So he offered to let her use our
landline since his cellphone didn't have a foxtail coming out of the
back of her tight jeans like she did.
So lets take a look at a test case Internet kingdom...
Furcadia. It has been there for years.
I will let you check it out for yourself to see how it developed, how it
worked, if you are interested in net culture.
http://www.furcadia.com/
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> If you want to share your scripts with others, on a website that has
> 1000 scripts for Zul and scripts for cran chops, and scripts for skins
> and scripts for animations, and scripts for intelligence factors, and
> hey there is a universe of game room style modifications and modifiers
> to make your Zul just the way you like her.
Yes I am spending a lot of time on the 20 something girls because they
are so amazing.
They are forging a culture like people have done in the past but now
with Zul they can be a superpower. Of course I am just using Zul as an
example, and the Iphone is probably paying people to line up at stores,
and if you don't know that, then ads to you are information that you need.
To each their own. Whatever makes you happy and can unite you and give
you common bonds with people who are the kind of people you are
compatible with. Society is driven largely by TV 'programming' to try
and make it work. To have 15 million people in one city and to be able
to drive your car in traffic and work for a living and it takes a lot of
social engineering to keep costs down, such as policing, and you find
out that your city needs policing as soon you see some weirdo who is
looking at you funny at night or on the subway etc.
So TV serves to program society into societal norms for the good of the
many and you could argue that there are better ways of doing that, but
then that is what has evolved.
And where I live, a girl can run across a bridge on a street at 2AM
wearing a fox tail and be just trying to find a phone to get a cab on a
busy friday night when its tough to get a cab. You can't flag them down.
When she was here she asked me if I had a number for a cab, and I said I
have one on my cell phone. Zul can phone everyone, all the cab
companies, and keep trying and oh no Mr. Bill, the cab companies lines
are all busy with Zul's phoning constantly and asking if there is a cab
available and if not then BTW who does your taxes?
Naughty script programmers. Apply for a research grant, I am too lazy
right now to solve that one for you even though I was a top paid
programming consultant at an International phone company, they didn't
have furry Zul problems even 5 years ago.
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>
> Naughty script programmers. Apply for a research grant, I am too lazy
> right now to solve that one for you even though I was a top paid
> programming consultant at an International phone company, they didn't
> have furry Zul problems even 5 years ago.
I make typing errors but Zul makes them on purpose because she can text
message while you are text messaging.
English professors get those tingling things up their spine when they
see your short form text messages. Linguistic experts collect those and
study them for artifacts and hope someday to be able to explain this
huge evolutionary gap in the future historical record between
Shakespeare and Zul.
I can help them because I know why people have to use Mickey Mouse
language techniques to express themselves, its because of the interface
problem. Which is not restricted to pario.
It's due to poor engineering. Gazoo is not an abstract concept.
The Flintstones are a reflection of human nature in this primitive world
which has superpowers and Star Trek technology.
On my home planet we are a Gazoo culture.
Planets have their own vision of what a Gazoo should be like.
And the quantum universe allows for that, and the distance between
planets and their limited connectivity allows each planet to develop its
own cultural norms.
And that's why galaxies are so far apart, to limit the damage until
someone can supernova their star if necessary for the good of the many.
I shouldn't need to translate that here.
Coming back to earth, society is resilient. And it bounces back and is
self correcting to an extent and driven by technological advances, and
advances in engineering, and advances in all branches of the sciences.
But still people have to fill those economic niches and you see them
trying to fill those needs at for instance the CES Consumer Electronics
Show this year where the focus was 3D TV technology.
I didn't attend but that sort of thing is where you find answers to
problems that haven't been solved yet. And some of the solutions are
commercially viable and some less so. Some are technological marvels
that revolutionize how people live. 3D TV is not that kind of revolution
but who knows. Holography is that kind of revolution.
AI is that kind of revolution.
Use your spell checker, except hmmmm you can't remember enough of the
word spelling since you never use all the letters when you type, not to
worry, google uses AI to guess using past experience, what it might be
you are aiming at.
And they are a great example of a successful company which got its start
using fuzzy logic while other people other companies were trying to make
phone book style indexes.
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girls day and modeling is part of their thing.
Role models have always been a part of society. They make things easier
to understand when you live a complex society.
Boys have their role models too.
I know a lot of models because they also are part of the
Hollywood/entertainment/fashion connection and these groups intermingle.
They are experts at expressing themselves visually and are also posed by
other experts to send a message that the artistic director wants to portray.
Supermodels protect their own image, and will when necessary, use sign
language to counter what the colors and style of dress and pose is
saying about them personally.
They don't want people to misinterpret their personality because of a
magazine cover or magazine spread.
So this language of ours they had a lot of input into making that language.
And its not my language really, because they have been talking like that
since time began probably.
But I was involved in this research to learn what they were talking
about and in that way understand what they really mean, when they are
forced to say one thing, but mean another.
Oh its a complicated business. "Oh what a tangled web we weave when
first we practice to deceive"
Lets blame evolution for making that necessary in today's world.
We cold spend countless hours reviewing the historical record looking
for people to blame, only to find new evidence that we are being
deceived again and blaming the wrong person.
Girls are also building on the shoulders of giants and their means of
coping with social situations seems to work for them, they seem to be
doing a big part of the driving of this politically correct society.
Not making judgments as to its merit, just saying.
And well we will see how they do with this new little bit of technology
because it seems to give them more power and well maybe men will retreat
a bit into their Veldts, those who would rather still live in a man's
world and smoke cigarettes and rink beer and cuss, and watch sports and
those people might ask themselves the question, can Gazoo open beers or
can Zul? Then why do I need them.
TV will help to program them so that they will not want to just shut
that damn thing must we always and do you have to at the dinner table
and you see girls you will have some work to do to ease this technology
into family life too, just like the opposite sex which will want to
retreat into the basement, you will want a ride to Starbucks, so you
will be working to get that ride, while maybe the drivers want to do
their own thing.
Good luck with that. I have all the confidence in you personally, am on
your side, and will be in the basement WORKING we will call it, since
working is usually a means of saying aw do I really have to do that now
when I was going to watch the hula dancers?
And you know Oprah will not be there for you. She too is getting a
reality show, to show you instead of tell you maybe, I don't know
because I am a man and my problems thankfully are not as complex as
yours. Nature and evolution has made you smarter out of necessity
because your lives are more complicated and more demanding.
Babies and work and socializing and picking kids up and dropping them
off and music lessons and soccer practice and don't forget to work out
so you can fit that new dress you bought, and hey between you and me, a
fox tail like the kind you put on an antenna, sticking out of your
jeans, is somehow cool and I don't know, sexy so. You know if you have
no more room for piercings and your body is covered in tattoos accessorize.
Hey that was a great Kate Moss video. It woke me out of my dogmatic
slumbers and opened my eyes to the possibility of flying opera singers
and beauty beyond earthly beauty that previously was restricted to maybe
religious rapture. Or the art of the masters.
This is exciting stuff you have going on here to be sure.
How's about a song...you might have heard it before. If not then you
live in a cave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw
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"What a stupid place to put it, on the right side of the monitor."
It's just that the plug might not reach if you put it on the other side.
You are just trying to get me to snap so I will go down into the basement.
I want some tea too. First I need to take off my work socks though and
stretch my toes. I'm famished, are those sandwiches for lunch? How come
you don't cut the crusts off all the time? Can I have a sandwich? And
some of that jello mold with fruit in it? Just the sandwich then.
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http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2461865/top-cruise-zipline-jimmy-kimmel-21/
Well its nice to see nobody is getting carried away with this stuff.
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make a 3D realistic looking image, that can be sculpted.
This example uses voxels which are the cubic name for pixels.
The dots in the 3D matrix itself.
In normal computer games today they don't use voxels alone they cheat
and use polygons and that is why the characters look like they are
computer generated. Reboot the TV show uses polygons not voxels.
http://www.3d-coat.com/voxel-sculpting/
Some games are combining polygons and voxels. The advantage to using
voxels is that if you shoot a wall, or shoot into the dirt, it is fully
destructible.
You could make it look exactly as if you shot into the dirt or smashed
anything if you simply applied the laws of physics and not even in a
perfect way, but a general way, would be sufficient to fool the eye.
If you sculpt a scene like Zul, then you could use both polygons and
voxels but the proper way to do it would be to iterate through all the
voxels and do it properly. Polygons simply use the surface of an object,
and it has no interior at all.
The best way to make the Zul scene with dogs and bats etc would be to do
your sculpting on a very large object, then reduce the size later and
you will have a very realistic looking scene complete with very fine detail.
By changing the scene you create new frames, then those are used to
create your animated scene.