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LIGO Conspirators Know No Limits

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Pentcho Valev

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Apr 12, 2016, 2:19:31 AM4/12/16
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2016/04/11/prepare-for-a-flood-of-gravitational-wave-detections/
" But LIGO heard another suspect gravitational wave signal that got less attention. Though it wasn't as strong, it looked promising. An analysis of that event, labeled LVT151012, has shown with 90 percent certainty that it also came from a pair of colliding black holes. That's not sufficient for scientists to deem it a "detection," but the LIGO team is confident enough that they're using it to start piecing together a picture of black holes in the universe. "The best guess we have is that binary black holes merge in our universe at the rate of a few per hour," says LIGO scientist Jolien Creighton of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Assuming LIGO's early data are not exceptional, scientists will soon piece together the first black hole census. Extrapolating from those two mergers in 16 days to the larger universe beyond what LIGO can see, the team calculates that a few binary black holes should merge every hour in the cosmos. "It does imply that we should have tens of detections over the next few years, and hundreds through the end of the decade," says Hanna. "That's enough to do some pretty significant astronomy. That's a big population." Based on the signals seen so far and the sensitivity of LIGO's detectors, scientists estimate that they'll see between 10 and 100 black hole mergers during the instrument's next observing run, which begins in late summer. "When the second science run turns on, we'll be seeing more systems at rates of once every few days or weeks," Creighton adds. "And the run will also last longer, so we will be collecting more and more events." "

"At rates of once every few days or weeks" but that begins in late summer? Not now? Even though the signal they have already "discovered" was "a whopping big signal"?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/09/watch-this-spacetime-gravitational-wave-discovery-expected
"People are hugely excited. The rumour is that it's a whopping big signal, in other words, it's unambiguous, and that is fantastic," said Pedro Ferreira, professor of astrophysics at Oxford University, and author of the 2014 book, The Perfect Theory: a century of geniuses and the battle over general relativity."

Here LIGO conspirators are even more outrageous:

http://phys.org/news/2016-04-ligo-background-noise-due-gravity.html
"Prior to the landmark experiments that led to the detection of gravitational waves, researchers believed that there was likely a very nearly constant stream of background gravitational noise moving through the cosmos, generated by black holes and neutron stars merging, but had lacked any physical data that might allow them to estimate how much background noise might exist. With the detection of the gravitational waves that resulted from the merger of two binary black holes, the researchers suddenly found themselves with actual concrete data, which they have now used as a basis for calculating the likely amount of gravitational wave noise constantly bombarding our planet. To make predictions based on data from just one event, the team started with the assumption that the event that was measured was not one that was out of the ordinary... (...) Doing so, the team reports, indicated that there are likely 20 times as many black hole binaries out there as has been estimated, which suggests that there is likely 10 times as much gravitational noise than has been suspected. The team acknowledges that because their results are based on a data from just one event, their conclusions could be wrong, but, if they are right, they note, they should be able to detect them within just the next five years or so as the LIGO and Virgo detectors grow to full strength."

Why should "whopping big signals" be regarded as noise whose detection will be postponed for five years? If black hole binaries are so frequent, isn't it logical to have, without any delay, multiple detections like the one that allegedly occurred on 14 September 2015?

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Pentcho Valev

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Apr 13, 2016, 2:43:22 AM4/13/16
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In Einstein schizophrenic world the following criminal investigation is called "science":

http://nautil.us/issue/34/adaptation/the-gravity-wave-hunter
"I can tell you about Alan Weinstein’s reaction, and he’s a professor here at Caltech who works on the LIGO experiment. He said when they got the phone calls they were all incredulous because they couldn’t believe that it was real. They’ve been looking for gravitational waves for decades. He said at first he thought that it was a blind injection, that someone had put in a signal and they didn’t know about it and so they thought that they were going to have to go through this whole rigmarole again, to find out that at the end of the day it was a hardware injection. Then they thought that maybe it was double blind because no one seemed to know what was going on. Whoever did the injection didn’t tell anyone, and this is going to be a big secret, and then eventually it’s not going to be a real signal. But then everyone swore that they hadn’t done any injections, and so they were starting to think, “oh my gosh, maybe this is real!” And then Alan thought maybe it was a triple blind experiment, and that just means it’s a malicious hacker who somehow managed to erase all of their steps and get the perfect gravitational wave signal in the mirror, and then will announce that they’ve somehow engineered this in a few months, and embarrass the collaboration. But he also claims that a binary black hole merger is much more likely than someone with that level of computer hacking power who is interested in hacking LIGO."

The quotations below suggest that the hacker who performed the triple blind experiment had already rehearsed it in 2010, then had taken five years to improve the procedure, and on September 14, 2015 was just thinking what he would buy for the Nobel prize:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2076754-latest-rumour-of-gravitational-waves-is-probably-true-this-time/
"In 2010, before LIGO had been upgraded to its present sensitivity, a textbook chirp that looked like two black holes colliding came through. The team drafted a paper and sent maps of where the signal may have come from to astronomers, who searched for a counterpart with other telescopes. There was just one problem: the signal was a fake deliberately injected into the data stream to make sure the team would be able to spot a real one. The dramatic opening of a sealed envelope revealed that fact to 300 team members in the room, with 100 more watching via a video link." [Note that in 2010 not only LIGO members were deceived - astronomers all over the world were misled into wasting time and money and looking for the non-existent black hole collision.]

http://motls.blogspot.bg/2016/02/ligo-journal-servers-behind-scenes.html
Luboš Motl: " On September 9th, the LIGO folks were already convinced that they would discover the waves soon. Some of them were thinking what they would buy for the Nobel prize and all of them had to make an online vote about the journal where the discovery should be published. It has to be Physical Review Letters because PRL (published by the APS) is the best journal for the Nobel-prize-caliber papers, the LIGO members decided. Five days later, Advanced LIGO made the discovery. Four more days later, as you know, they officially started Advanced LIGO. ;-) "

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Apr 13, 2016, 3:05:27 PM4/13/16
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https://www.researchgate.net/post/Am_I_the_only_one_that_is_doubtful_of_LIGOs_detection_of_gravitational_wave_GW150914
Peter Hahn · Northern Alberta Institute of Technology:

Reasons NOT to doubt GW150914:

1. Because the LIGO team reported it as a valid detection.

Reasons to doubt GW150914:

1. The signal occurred during the Engineering Run, not the Observational Run.

2. The signal was quoted as "too good to be true", "unexpectedly loud" and "unexpectedly perfect".

3. No confirmation from Virgo since it was not operational.

4. No confirmation from GEO600 because the signal just happened to peak in a dead zone.

5. No infrared signals from VISTA.

6. No gamma rays from Swift, Integral or Fermi GBM.

7. No neutrinos from IceCube and ANTARES.

8. No visible light detected from the Dark Energy Camera (DECam).

9. No visible light detected from the Pan-STARRS Telescope.

Looks like this was a one-time event that could very well be a lucky fluke or a fake. I guess the next step is to patiently wait for the LIGO team to search through the four months of O1 data to see if they can find other sources of gravitational wave signals such as the kind from rapidly rotating neutron stars! [end of quotation]

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Apr 15, 2016, 4:54:24 AM4/15/16
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/04/black-hole-blues-gives-a-ringside-seat-to-discovery-of-gravitational-waves/
"You know, there's a small group of LIGO "truthers" out there, convinced it's all just one big conspiracy by fame-hungry scientists to hoodwink the public.

Janna Levin: No! Really? That's hysterical. This detection was much louder than anyone expected. LIGO heard it clear as day. If anything it's too clear.

So clear that the LIGO collaboration seriously considered the possibility that it was a malicious hack -- a fake injected signal.

Levin: Yes. Rai said, "Look, we went through every possible scenario for how you would inject a false signal, and tried to do it ourselves." There were only a few people in the entire collaboration with sufficient access and knowledge to do something like that, and they interrogated them all. And you have to physically attach stuff, you can't just do this telepathically, so they looked for little black boxes and things like that. It was like a C.S.I. experiment. So there's no physical evidence. It would be very hard to fake a signal without being caught. And I don't think anyone in the collaboration has that sophisticated a criminal mind. In fact, when they did a [deliberate] blind injection during the test run [of the earlier version of LIGO], they screwed it up a little. They got the orientation wrong." [end of quotation]

So in 2010 LIGO conspirators still did not have "that sophisticated a criminal mind" and "screwed it up a little" but then they improved and in 2015 everything was just fine:

http://www.thenational.ae/arts-life/the-review/why-albert-einstein-continues-to-make-waves-as-black-holes-collide#full
"Einstein believed in neither gravitational waves nor black holes. (...) Dr Natalia Kiriushcheva, a theoretical and computational physicist at the University of Western Ontario (UWO), Canada, says that while it was Einstein who initiated the gravitational waves theory in a paper in June 1916, it was an addendum to his theory of general relativity and by 1936, he had concluded that such things did not exist. Furthermore - as a paper published by Einstein in the Annals of Mathematics in October, 1939 made clear, he also rejected the possibility of black holes. (...) On September 16, 2010, a false signal - a so-called "blind injection" - was fed into both the Ligo and Virgo systems as part of an exercise to "test ... detection capabilities". At the time, the vast majority of the hundreds of scientists working on the equipment had no idea that they were being fed a dummy signal. The truth was not revealed until March the following year, by which time several papers about the supposed sensational discovery of gravitational waves were poised for publication. "While the scientists were disappointed that the discovery was not real, the success of the analysis was a compelling demonstration of the collaboration's readiness to detect gravitational waves," Ligo reported at the time. But take a look at the visualisation (www.ligo.org/news/blind-injection.php) of the faked signal, says Dr Kiriushcheva, and compare it to the image apparently showing the collision of the twin black holes, seen on the second page of the recently-published discovery paper (tinyurl.com/h3wkvmo). "They look very, very similar," she says. "It means that they knew exactly what they wanted to get and this is suspicious for us: when you know what you want to get from science, usually you can get it." The apparent similarity is more curious because the faked event purported to show not a collision between two black holes, but the gravitational waves created by a neutron star spiralling into a black hole. The signals appear so similar, in fact, that Dr Kiriushcheva questions whether the "true" signal might actually have been an echo of the fake, "stored in the computer system from when they turned off the equipment five years before"."

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Apr 18, 2016, 1:44:27 PM4/18/16
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No moral constraints in Einstein schizophrenic world. Integral did not confirm the gamma-ray burst allegedly measured by Fermi but Valerie Connaughton couldn't care less. For her, "this is a tantalizing discovery with a low chance of being a false alarm", and with a high chance to boost her career:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Integral_sets_limits_on_gamma_rays_from_merging_black_holes
"The only exception was the Gamma-Ray Burst Monitor on NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope, which observed what appears to be a sudden burst of gamma rays about 0.4 seconds after the gravitational waves were detected. The burst lasted about one second and came from a region of the sky that overlaps with the strip identified by LIGO. This detection sparked a bounty of theoretical investigations, proposing possible scenarios in which two merging black holes of stellar mass could indeed have released gamma rays along with the gravitational waves. However, if this gamma-ray flare had had a cosmic origin, either linked to the LIGO gravitational wave source or to any other astrophysical phenomenon in the Universe, it should have been detected by Integral as well. The absence of any such detection by both instruments on Integral suggests that the measurement from Fermi could be unrelated to the gravitational wave detection."

http://phys.org/news/2016-04-fermi-telescope-poised-pin-gravitational.html
"On Sept. 14, waves of energy traveling for more than a billion years gently rattled space-time in the vicinity of Earth. The disturbance, produced by a pair of merging black holes, was captured by the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) facilities in Hanford, Washington, and Livingston, Louisiana. This event marked the first-ever detection of gravitational waves and opens a new scientific window on how the universe works. Less than half a second later, the Gamma-ray Burst Monitor (GBM) on NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope picked up a brief, weak burst of high-energy light consistent with the same part of the sky. Analysis of this burst suggests just a 0.2-percent chance of simply being random coincidence. Gamma-rays arising from a black hole merger would be a landmark finding because black holes are expected to merge "cleanly," without producing any sort of light. "This is a tantalizing discovery with a low chance of being a false alarm, but before we can start rewriting the textbooks we'll need to see more bursts associated with gravitational waves from black hole mergers," said Valerie Connaughton, a GBM team member at the National Space, Science and Technology Center in Huntsville, Alabama, and lead author of a paper on the burst now under review by The Astrophysical Journal."

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benj

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Apr 19, 2016, 6:40:43 AM4/19/16
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Breathless "journalism" by phys.org is no surprise. Those clowns
couldn't find their own ass if allowed to use both hands.

Luckily French aren't buying, non? Hey, if one can get away with faking
a trip to the moon, LIGO is just minor off-Broadway theatre!

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Apr 20, 2016, 5:46:32 AM4/20/16
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The maximum honesty Einsteinians are capable of:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/04/19/99-8-wrong-how-nasas-fermi-scientists-are-fooling-themselves-about-gamma-rays-from-black-holes/
" How NASA's Fermi Scientists Are (Probably) Fooling Themselves About Gamma Rays From Black Holes (...) And finally, there's a competing satellite programme -- the European Space Agency's INTEGRAL satellite -- that definitively saw no high-energy signal associated with the LIGO event. In a paper published last month in the prestigious Astrophysical Journal Letters, lead author Volodymyr Savchenko concluded the following, "We searched through all the available Integral data, but did not find any indication of high-energy emission associated with the LIGO detection." "

Ethan Siegel, the most honest Einsteinian:

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2012/10/Zangief_Xs-600x1282.jpg

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