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Byker
Nov 27, 2018, 9:02:05 PM11/27/18
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European politicians call for new sanctions on Russia over Ukraine
Andrew Osborn, Anton Zverev
MOSCOW/KERCH, Crimea (Reuters) - Several senior European politicians on
Tuesday raised the possibility of new sanctions against Russia to punish it
for capturing three Ukrainian vessels at sea, an incident the West fears
could ignite a wider conflict.
A Russian minister said further sanctions would solve nothing and that the
incident should not be used to derail the Minsk accord, which aims to end
fighting in eastern Ukraine between Kiev’s forces and pro-Russian separatist
rebels.
Russian assets have come under pressure on financial markets amid concerns
that possible new sanctions could hurt the economy, though the rouble on
Tuesday clawed back some earlier losses as investors bet any sanctions would
not be swift.
Russia opened fire on the Ukrainian boats and then seized them and their
crews on Sunday near Crimea - which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.
Moscow and Kiev have tried to pin the blame on each other for the incident.
President Vladimir Putin told German Chancellor Angela Merkel by phone on
Monday that Moscow was ready to provide more details to bolster its version
of events. Moscow says Kiev deliberately provoked it in order to trigger a
crisis.
Merkel, who also spoke on Monday with Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko,
called for de-escalation and dialogue.
The United States urged European nations on Tuesday to do more to assist
Ukraine in its standoff with Russia.
U.S. President Donald Trump told the Washington Post in an interview that he
might cancel his scheduled meeting with Putin at the G20 summit in Argentina
this week over the maritime clash, adding, “I don’t like that aggression.”
Ukraine has introduced martial law for 30 days in parts of the country it
deems most vulnerable to an attack from Russia. It has said its ships did
nothing wrong and that it wants the West to impose new sanctions on Moscow.
Some of the 24 Ukrainian sailors held by Russia for straying into Russian
waters appeared on Russian state TV on Tuesday admitting to being part of a
pre-planned provocation. Kiev denounced what it described as forced
confessions.
A court in Crimea ordered seven of the Ukrainian sailors to be detained for
two months pending a possible trial. It was expected to order the other
sailors to be detained for the same period in separate hearings on Tuesday
and Wednesday.
Their vessels were captured by Russian forces at sea near the Kerch Strait,
which is the only outlet to the Sea of Azov and controls access to two major
Ukrainian ports.
A Reuters reporter at the Crimean port of Kerch where the vessels are being
held saw masked armed men on board one of the ships removing boxes of
ammunition.
Two Russian police officers with automatic rifles stood on the pier where
the Ukrainian vessels were moored. The vessels bore traces of collisions and
big holes in places.
Senior German conservative Norbert Roettgen, a close Merkel ally, said the
European Union may need to toughen its sanctions against Russia, imposed
partly over Moscow’s annexation of Crimea.
Karin Kneissl, foreign minister of Austria, which holds the EU’s rotating
presidency, said the EU would consider sanctions depending “on the
exposition of facts and the further conduct of both parties”.
Poland and Estonia, both hawkish on Russia, expressed support for more
sanctions.
Martial law in Ukraine as fears of Russian invasion loom
Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Bartosz Cichocki told Reuters the incident in
the Kerch Strait vindicated Warsaw’s call for a more unified Western stance
toward Russia.
“Russia remains wrongly convinced that the reaction of the West isn’t
unified ... because in energy matters there is one stance and in defense
matters there is another,” he said, noting that some EU states such as
Germany backed the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that increases Europe’s reliance
on Russian gas.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert also raised Nord Stream 2
on Tuesday when asked to comment on the Ukraine-Russia spat, saying some
European nations should review their support for a project that “helps the
Russian government”.
Nauert also said Europe could more vigorously implement existing sanctions
against Russia over its actions in Ukraine.
“The United States government has taken a very strong position in ...
support of Ukraine. We would like other countries to do more as well,” she
told a regular briefing in Washington.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko, speaking during a visit
to Berlin, said more sanctions against his country would “not help to solve
any problem at all”.
He suggested Kiev provoked the incident to derail already halting
implementation of the Minsk accord in eastern Ukraine, and said Moscow had a
keen interest in ending that conflict after absorbing more than a million
refugees from the region.
EU foreign ministers are due to discuss the crisis on Dec. 10. EU leaders
are expected later next month to agree to extend existing sanctions on
Russia, diplomats said.
Russia’s FSB security service released video footage on Tuesday of the
captured sailors saying they had ignored Russian orders to stop. At least
one appeared to be reading from a script. Ukrainian politicians said the
sailors were coerced, rendering their confessions meaningless.
The FSB said it had information showing the sailors’ mission had been
pre-planned by the Ukrainian government and that two intelligence officers
from Ukraine’s SBU security service had been on board to coordinate the
provocation.
Vasyl Hrytsak, the head of the SBU, confirmed that his officers were on
board to support the military and said one of them had been seriously
wounded after Russian aircraft fired missiles at the Ukrainian vessels.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia/ukraine-introduces-martial-law-citing-threat-of-russian-invasion-idUSKCN1NV0N1
Is there a realistic vision of a post-Putin Russia? http://rlu.ru/2zubs
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European politicians call for new sanctions on Russia over Ukraine
Andrew Osborn, Anton Zverev
MOSCOW/KERCH, Crimea (Reuters) - Several senior European politicians on
Tuesday raised the possibility of new sanctions against Russia to punish it
for capturing three Ukrainian vessels at sea, an incident the West fears
could ignite a wider conflict.
A Russian minister said further sanctions would solve nothing and that the
incident should not be used to derail the Minsk accord, which aims to end
fighting in eastern Ukraine between Kiev’s forces and pro-Russian separatist
rebels.
Russian assets have come under pressure on financial markets amid concerns
that possible new sanctions could hurt the economy, though the rouble on
Tuesday clawed back some earlier losses as investors bet any sanctions would
not be swift.
Russia opened fire on the Ukrainian boats and then seized them and their
crews on Sunday near Crimea - which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.
Moscow and Kiev have tried to pin the blame on each other for the incident.
President Vladimir Putin told German Chancellor Angela Merkel by phone on
Monday that Moscow was ready to provide more details to bolster its version
of events. Moscow says Kiev deliberately provoked it in order to trigger a
crisis.
Merkel, who also spoke on Monday with Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko,
called for de-escalation and dialogue.
The United States urged European nations on Tuesday to do more to assist
Ukraine in its standoff with Russia.
U.S. President Donald Trump told the Washington Post in an interview that he
might cancel his scheduled meeting with Putin at the G20 summit in Argentina
this week over the maritime clash, adding, “I don’t like that aggression.”
Ukraine has introduced martial law for 30 days in parts of the country it
deems most vulnerable to an attack from Russia. It has said its ships did
nothing wrong and that it wants the West to impose new sanctions on Moscow.
Some of the 24 Ukrainian sailors held by Russia for straying into Russian
waters appeared on Russian state TV on Tuesday admitting to being part of a
pre-planned provocation. Kiev denounced what it described as forced
confessions.
A court in Crimea ordered seven of the Ukrainian sailors to be detained for
two months pending a possible trial. It was expected to order the other
sailors to be detained for the same period in separate hearings on Tuesday
and Wednesday.
Their vessels were captured by Russian forces at sea near the Kerch Strait,
which is the only outlet to the Sea of Azov and controls access to two major
Ukrainian ports.
A Reuters reporter at the Crimean port of Kerch where the vessels are being
held saw masked armed men on board one of the ships removing boxes of
ammunition.
Two Russian police officers with automatic rifles stood on the pier where
the Ukrainian vessels were moored. The vessels bore traces of collisions and
big holes in places.
Senior German conservative Norbert Roettgen, a close Merkel ally, said the
European Union may need to toughen its sanctions against Russia, imposed
partly over Moscow’s annexation of Crimea.
Karin Kneissl, foreign minister of Austria, which holds the EU’s rotating
presidency, said the EU would consider sanctions depending “on the
exposition of facts and the further conduct of both parties”.
Poland and Estonia, both hawkish on Russia, expressed support for more
sanctions.
Martial law in Ukraine as fears of Russian invasion loom
Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Bartosz Cichocki told Reuters the incident in
the Kerch Strait vindicated Warsaw’s call for a more unified Western stance
toward Russia.
“Russia remains wrongly convinced that the reaction of the West isn’t
unified ... because in energy matters there is one stance and in defense
matters there is another,” he said, noting that some EU states such as
Germany backed the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that increases Europe’s reliance
on Russian gas.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert also raised Nord Stream 2
on Tuesday when asked to comment on the Ukraine-Russia spat, saying some
European nations should review their support for a project that “helps the
Russian government”.
Nauert also said Europe could more vigorously implement existing sanctions
against Russia over its actions in Ukraine.
“The United States government has taken a very strong position in ...
support of Ukraine. We would like other countries to do more as well,” she
told a regular briefing in Washington.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko, speaking during a visit
to Berlin, said more sanctions against his country would “not help to solve
any problem at all”.
He suggested Kiev provoked the incident to derail already halting
implementation of the Minsk accord in eastern Ukraine, and said Moscow had a
keen interest in ending that conflict after absorbing more than a million
refugees from the region.
EU foreign ministers are due to discuss the crisis on Dec. 10. EU leaders
are expected later next month to agree to extend existing sanctions on
Russia, diplomats said.
Russia’s FSB security service released video footage on Tuesday of the
captured sailors saying they had ignored Russian orders to stop. At least
one appeared to be reading from a script. Ukrainian politicians said the
sailors were coerced, rendering their confessions meaningless.
The FSB said it had information showing the sailors’ mission had been
pre-planned by the Ukrainian government and that two intelligence officers
from Ukraine’s SBU security service had been on board to coordinate the
provocation.
Vasyl Hrytsak, the head of the SBU, confirmed that his officers were on
board to support the military and said one of them had been seriously
wounded after Russian aircraft fired missiles at the Ukrainian vessels.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia/ukraine-introduces-martial-law-citing-threat-of-russian-invasion-idUSKCN1NV0N1
Is there a realistic vision of a post-Putin Russia? http://rlu.ru/2zubs
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 27, 2018, 9:51:49 PM11/27/18
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Byker the Shithead, <news:bZydnYB3L9WFamDG...@supernews.com>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFsdrteXXwY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> European politicians call for new sanctions on Russia over Ukraine
Let them call, it doesn't matter much.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFsdrteXXwY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> European politicians call for new sanctions on Russia over Ukraine
Byker
Nov 27, 2018, 10:07:36 PM11/27/18
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
was supposed to reflect President Vladimir Putin’s global stature and
friendly relations with U.S. President Donald Trump. Instead, an AFP press
pool photo of Putin shaking hands with Trump, who is perched atop a platform
looking down on the Russian president, became the source of ridicule and
criticism among Russian-speaking internet users -- stemming from the
Kremlin's reported policy of avoiding photo-ops in which the Russian leader
looks shorter than those around him:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drt_1GWX0AAFvgi.jpg
By Monday afternoon, TASS had replaced the unflattering photograph with one
in which Putin is seated on the same level as other world leaders:
https://tass.ru/politika/5779267
Here's how social media responded to the encounter:
"When the photographer isn't from the Kremlin pool.":
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dru7k8wXgAAPpZO.jpg
"Under a magnifying glass": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvKbyGWsAIesdO.jpg
"Delete it!": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DruOYPMX4AES3jU.jpg
This user noted that Putin was presented with worthy candidates for a recent
photo-op. "But they couldn't find a minister of a suitable size," he added:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvUKeDX4AACBsQ.jpg
>
> Let them call, it doesn't matter much.
The "little Putin" pic sure seemed to have mattered more than a little. It
> Let them call, it doesn't matter much.
was supposed to reflect President Vladimir Putin’s global stature and
friendly relations with U.S. President Donald Trump. Instead, an AFP press
pool photo of Putin shaking hands with Trump, who is perched atop a platform
looking down on the Russian president, became the source of ridicule and
criticism among Russian-speaking internet users -- stemming from the
Kremlin's reported policy of avoiding photo-ops in which the Russian leader
looks shorter than those around him:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drt_1GWX0AAFvgi.jpg
By Monday afternoon, TASS had replaced the unflattering photograph with one
in which Putin is seated on the same level as other world leaders:
https://tass.ru/politika/5779267
Here's how social media responded to the encounter:
"When the photographer isn't from the Kremlin pool.":
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dru7k8wXgAAPpZO.jpg
"Under a magnifying glass": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvKbyGWsAIesdO.jpg
"Delete it!": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DruOYPMX4AES3jU.jpg
This user noted that Putin was presented with worthy candidates for a recent
photo-op. "But they couldn't find a minister of a suitable size," he added:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvUKeDX4AACBsQ.jpg
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 28, 2018, 12:36:12 PM11/28/18
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Byker the Shithead, <news:jOmdncr6ioDum2PG...@supernews.com>
It's amazing, they all look at Putin with a genuine awe and hope.
> By Monday afternoon, TASS had replaced the unflattering photograph with one
> in which Putin is seated on the same level as other world leaders:
> https://tass.ru/politika/5779267
<https://web.archive.org/web/20181111151838/https://tass.ru/politika/5779267>
Some *wit made up the 'replacement' story, but did not bother to check.
> Here's how social media responded to the encounter:
>
> "When the photographer isn't from the Kremlin pool.":
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dru7k8wXgAAPpZO.jpg
>
> "Under a magnifying glass": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvKbyGWsAIesdO.jpg
>
> "Delete it!": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DruOYPMX4AES3jU.jpg
>
> This user noted that Putin was presented with worthy candidates for a recent
> photo-op. "But they couldn't find a minister of a suitable size," he added:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvUKeDX4AACBsQ.jpg
<http://tinyurl.com/ydfru68o>
This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they hate like.
It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your crap, which
is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drt_1GWX0AAFvgi.jpg
It's amazing, they all look at Putin with a genuine awe and hope.
> By Monday afternoon, TASS had replaced the unflattering photograph with one
> in which Putin is seated on the same level as other world leaders:
> https://tass.ru/politika/5779267
Some *wit made up the 'replacement' story, but did not bother to check.
> Here's how social media responded to the encounter:
>
> "When the photographer isn't from the Kremlin pool.":
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dru7k8wXgAAPpZO.jpg
>
> "Under a magnifying glass": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvKbyGWsAIesdO.jpg
>
> "Delete it!": https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DruOYPMX4AES3jU.jpg
>
> This user noted that Putin was presented with worthy candidates for a recent
> photo-op. "But they couldn't find a minister of a suitable size," he added:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrvUKeDX4AACBsQ.jpg
This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they hate like.
It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your crap, which
is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
George
Nov 28, 2018, 2:14:59 PM11/28/18
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Remember Afghanistan Oleg?
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Byker
Nov 28, 2018, 3:41:00 PM11/28/18
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ptmjm9$tni$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they hate
> like. It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
> crap, which is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
At least our dissidents aren't branded as "hooligans" and locked up...
> This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they hate
> like. It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
> crap, which is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
Jim Wilkins
Nov 28, 2018, 4:36:54 PM11/28/18
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"Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote in message
news:ptmjm9$tni$1...@os.motzarella.org...
people see whats wrong with Russia, while misfits and losers hate
America.
news:ptmjm9$tni$1...@os.motzarella.org...
> Byker the Shithead,
> <news:jOmdncr6ioDum2PG...@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message
>> news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
> ...
> <news:jOmdncr6ioDum2PG...@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message
>> news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
> This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they
> hate like.
> It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
> crap, which
> is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
>
Congratulations, you finally got something right. Smart, capable
> hate like.
> It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
> crap, which
> is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
>
people see whats wrong with Russia, while misfits and losers hate
America.
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 28, 2018, 11:04:16 PM11/28/18
to
Byker the Shithead, <news:fK6dnWhtl6rKYGPG...@supernews.com>
> At least our dissidents aren't branded as "hooligans" and locked up...
Those convicted for hooliganism were convicted exactly for that.
Cf. the Assange 'rape' case.
> At least our dissidents aren't branded as "hooligans" and locked up...
Cf. the Assange 'rape' case.
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 29, 2018, 3:18:59 AM11/29/18
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Jim Wilkins, <news:ptn1pj$4pt$1...@dont-email.me>
> Smart, capable
> people see whats wrong with Russia, while misfits and losers hate
> America.
The smart people notice the America's deterioration in progress.
> "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote in message
> news:ptmjm9$tni$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>> Byker the Shithead,
>> <news:jOmdncr6ioDum2PG...@supernews.com>
>>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message
>>> news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
>> ...
>> This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they
>> hate like.
>> It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
>> crap, which
>> is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
>
> Congratulations, you finally got something right.
No, that's you getting something wrong, as usual.
> news:ptmjm9$tni$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>> Byker the Shithead,
>> <news:jOmdncr6ioDum2PG...@supernews.com>
>>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message
>>> news:ptkvs3$gpi$2...@os.motzarella.org...
>> ...
>> This is what the Russian liberal dissidents imagine those whom they
>> hate like.
>> It's even more spiteful but still a great art, in contrast to your
>> crap, which
>> is dull, primitive and degenerative. America in decline.
>
> Congratulations, you finally got something right.
> Smart, capable
> people see whats wrong with Russia, while misfits and losers hate
> America.
Byker
Nov 29, 2018, 10:14:33 AM11/29/18
to
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pto7dh$ai3$1...@os.motzarella.org...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw
>
> The smart people notice the America's deterioration in progress.
That's one field the Russkies remain ahead of us in:
> The smart people notice the America's deterioration in progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 29, 2018, 10:23:21 AM11/29/18
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Byker the Shithead, <news:B4GdnRYGp5DOn53B...@supernews.com>
That's a fiction.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFO2H2lz0aw>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVxeW1WLWpY>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm0G4AjnxDE>
This is real.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFO2H2lz0aw>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVxeW1WLWpY>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm0G4AjnxDE>
This is real.
Byker
Nov 29, 2018, 1:01:39 PM11/29/18
to
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ptp097$8mj$1...@os.motzarella.org...
Byker the Shithead, <news:B4GdnRYGp5DOn53B...@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pto7dh$ai3$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> The smart people notice the America's deterioration in progress.
>>
>> That's one field the Russkies remain ahead of us in:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw
>
> That's a fiction.
If so, it just means it was filmed on location...
Byker the Shithead, <news:B4GdnRYGp5DOn53B...@supernews.com>
>> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:pto7dh$ai3$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> The smart people notice the America's deterioration in progress.
>>
>> That's one field the Russkies remain ahead of us in:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw
>
> That's a fiction.
David E. Powell
Feb 13, 2019, 2:09:35 PM2/13/19
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