On 1/17/2016 1:29 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> smharding wrote:
>> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.
>>
>>
>> Capitalism seems to have served Michael Moore quite well. How many
>> houses
>> and millions does that guy have?
>>
>>> Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> You left out risk.
>
> oh you wish a dialogue with me, how stupid of you
"Dialogue" with you is not possible. Everyone here knows that!
You are capable only of non-negative interactions with those that mirror
your own political/economic opinions.
Dialogue is not possible with an ideologue such as yourself.
>> Providing venture capital to a new neighborhood restaurant
>
> Son, yet another corner restaurant is not going to cut it...anyone
> can start these type dead-end "companies" that usually soon fail.
>
>> employing 5 people, or a new company called Microsoft that eventually
>
> Son, Microsoft-type opportunities are extremely rare...and Bill Gates
> was a *very* intelligent person. Armies of his competition failed.
> *You* would have failed. The vast majority of people work for
> someone else hourly or salaried with damn little security. The hype
> of Capitalism that anyone can make it rich and be their own boss
> is a myth...the same type myth that gambling casinos depend on to
> keep suckers coming back.
Starting *any* successful business is difficult.
I don't believe "fairness" would have started many.
>> employs thousands, there is an element of risk involved in the process.
>>
>> If you're willing to take big risks, the payoff can be big, but
>> typically it is a
>> bust. Most new businesses only last a year or two.
>
> There ya go son...those are run-of-the-mill restaurants/coffee shops/
> furniture selling stores...or any of hundreds of mundane businesses
> that might marginally make it if there is no competition.
"Mundane businesses" are where most people work. They don't get started
in the interests of fairness. They get started to make money and earn
a living.
> No one seems to be
>> crying
>> for the guy, big or small, that loses the gamble.
>>
>> Fairness has its place, but greed is a powerful driving force that
>> makes people
>> willing to risk their money and future for a later payoff for what
>> they hope is a
>> "good idea".
>
> Again, son, it's a myth that most anyone can do it.
Dingbat. I already said it was difficult, with higher likelihood of
failure than success. Socialist systems have historically done much worse.
>> Companies are not social welfare agencies. They are created to
>> provide value
>> to their shareholders.
>
> Son, they are created to make *maximum* profits, and damn fairness,
> morality,
> or ethics...usually it's at best "whatever is legal". i.e. greedy
> exploitation
Maximize profits indeed. How that is done is more a function of the
people managing the company.
You'll note some of the fine communists of the Soviet Union smoothly
transitioned to capitalism when that Union broke up. The onset of
Capitalism didn't suddenly change their natures. Capitalism didn't
suddenly make them greedy exploitive bastards. Socialist countries
have their share of the type as well.
>>
>> If it's so easy, there's nothing to stop anyone from chipping in some
>> cash of
>> their own to make their easy fortunes themselves.
>
> well yeah, son
>
>>
>> Greed is just as abundant in socialist economic systems as it is in
>> capitalist ones.
>
> You are full of shit, son...trolling me.
Says the great troller himself.
I'd love to see you teaching your imaginary classes at your imaginary
University. Better yet, as a discussion panelist at one of your
imaginary academic conferences.
> btw, son, what's the name of your company that you started? Thought
> not. qed.
I'm not quite sure what the relevance of the question is or what
precisely you believe you have definitely proven.
I've had to pay quarterly estimated taxes and 100% of my employment
taxes and healthcare costs at times over the years.
But I suppose you'd be a veritable Bill Gates if you only lived under
a socialist system.
> and finally, son, if Capitalism worked as advertised, it would
> be very easy to eliminate poverty everywhere. *Very* easy.
Baloney as usual. Poverty exists in socialist countries too.
You're making stuff up [again] and you're becoming boring and pedantic
[again], so it's time to ditch you [again] until I give you another
chance to make the world (or a small part of it on the internet) a
nicer place with thoughtful and civil discussion.
You missed your chance yet again.
SMH