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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 13, 2016, 10:45:31 AM1/13/16
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Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
lead in the city’s water. The poisoning began after an unelected
emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city’s
water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
cognitive impairment. Residents have called for Governor Snyder’s
resignation and arrest.
democracynow.org
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posted as a public service
;-)

JackPineSavage

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Jan 13, 2016, 12:32:26 PM1/13/16
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
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>
> ---------------------------------
> Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
> help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
> lead in the city’s water. The poisoning began after an unelected
> emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city’s
> water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
> money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
> cognitive impairment.

This would explain Eris..........


Residents have called for Governor Snyder’s
> resignation and arrest.

Need to arrest the head of the EPA as well as her boss who stifled a key
report.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/12/epa-stayed-silent-flints-tainted-water/78719620/

Jonathan

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Jan 13, 2016, 10:10:30 PM1/13/16
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On 1/13/2016 12:32 PM, JackPineSavage wrote:
>
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:iJmdnSfXJZ-H7AvL...@supernews.com...
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
>> help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
>> lead in the city’s water. The poisoning began after an unelected
>> emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city’s
>> water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
>> money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
>> cognitive impairment.
>
> This would explain Eris..........
>
>
> Residents have called for Governor Snyder’s
>> resignation and arrest.
>
> Need to arrest the head of the EPA as well as her boss who stifled a key
> report.
>




Someone needs to pay, my mom's side of my entire family is
from poor, tired, decayed and crime-ridden Flint, Michigan.

Talk about a place only a mother could love~

It's a place where they really don't need a health crisis
like this to deploy the National Guard, it could use the
troops most any time.

dott.Piergiorgio

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Jan 14, 2016, 4:26:43 AM1/14/16
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On 14/01/2016 04:11, Jonathan wrote:

> Someone needs to pay, my mom's side of my entire family is
> from poor, tired, decayed and crime-ridden Flint, Michigan.
>
> Talk about a place only a mother could love~
>
> It's a place where they really don't need a health crisis
> like this to deploy the National Guard, it could use the
> troops most any time.

I wonder if NBC equipment & tools of NG engineers can be deployed
against lead contamination... seems to me a mission definitively not in
the SOP/advance planning gamut.

but from a US mil engineer high (even by US standards) ingenuity is
expected.. so let's keep informed on this issue (albeit is a news whose
is likely be reported here in Italy)

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

David E. Powell

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Jan 14, 2016, 9:26:03 AM1/14/16
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On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 10:10:30 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
> On 1/13/2016 12:32 PM, JackPineSavage wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> > news:iJmdnSfXJZ-H7AvL...@supernews.com...
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
> >> help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
> >> lead in the city's water. The poisoning began after an unelected
> >> emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city's
> >> water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
> >> money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
> >> cognitive impairment.
> >
> > This would explain Eris..........
> >
> >
> > Residents have called for Governor Snyder's
> >> resignation and arrest.
> >
> > Need to arrest the head of the EPA as well as her boss who stifled a key
> > report.
> >
>
>
>
>
> Someone needs to pay, my mom's side of my entire family is
> from poor, tired, decayed and crime-ridden Flint, Michigan.
>
> Talk about a place only a mother could love~
>
> It's a place where they really don't need a health crisis
> like this to deploy the National Guard, it could use the
> troops most any time.

Sadly, true. The industry leaving that area crushed that town.

The National Guard has been deployed to help hand out bottled water and help the locals.

http://www.tjcnewspaper.com/mi-governor-has-national-guard-handing-out-water-in-flint-222591/

<http://www.tjcnewspaper.com/mi-governor-has-national-guard-handing-out-water-in-flint-222591/>

http://wwntradio.com/2016/01/14/snyder-calls-out-national-guard-to-assist-flint-water-crisis.html

<http://wwntradio.com/2016/01/14/snyder-calls-out-national-guard-to-assist-flint-water-crisis.html>

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/74165352-story

<http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/74165352-story>

They actually need more National Guard personnel, not less. No Conspiracy theory to it, those people need help ASAP and the Guard are a resource that can be used. (Conspiracy theories here are probably in the same vein as those cooked up by the people who believe FEMA and emergency responders from the Federal Government who practice setting up tent camps in case of major disasters really want to round up and imprison people.)

Michigan really, really needs to get industry back. It is a pity no one really talks about that on the national stage. The only one I know of who talks about that is Rick Santorum and he is polling around 1-3 percent in the GOP Primary right now.

David E. Powell

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Jan 14, 2016, 9:27:23 AM1/14/16
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That is a brilliant idea! Here's hoping some kind of filtration gear is in a stockpile somewhere. Surely there must have been some in stock from the Cold War days, hopefully stored in good condition somewhere. Even if every house can't get gear, central points could be set up.

JackPineSavage

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Jan 14, 2016, 9:34:31 AM1/14/16
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My apologies for the e-mail, Jonathan, I must've hit the "Reply" button
instead of the "Reply group" one.


"Jonathan" <WriteI...@gmail.net> wrote in message
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> On 1/13/2016 12:32 PM, JackPineSavage wrote:
>>
>> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
>> news:iJmdnSfXJZ-H7AvL...@supernews.com...
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
>>> help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
>>> lead in the city’s water. The poisoning began after an unelected
>>> emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city’s
>>> water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
>>> money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
>>> cognitive impairment.
>>
>> This would explain Eris..........
>>
>>
>> Residents have called for Governor Snyder’s
>>> resignation and arrest.
>>
>> Need to arrest the head of the EPA as well as her boss who stifled a key
>> report.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Someone needs to pay, my mom's side of my entire family is
> from poor, tired, decayed and crime-ridden Flint, Michigan.

I grew up in Port Huron and drive thru Flint on I-69 on my way home to visit
family. It is unbelievable how much that city has deteriorated. Thank you
UAW.

Colonel Edmund J. Burke

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Jan 14, 2016, 1:09:39 PM1/14/16
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I remember a conversation with a young girl who married a guy from
Michigan. Afterward, they lived in his hometown for several years. She
remarked how strange people from Michigan are. So I figure it's prolly
lead poisoning of the brain that accounts fer it.

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 14, 2016, 1:54:53 PM1/14/16
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sigh...i wish you 2 idiots would stay out of my threads...thank you
;-)

David E. Powell wrote:
> dott.Piergiorgio wrote:

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 14, 2016, 2:54:15 PM1/14/16
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Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.

Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
;-)

JackPineSavage

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Jan 14, 2016, 3:07:47 PM1/14/16
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
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Michael Moore, the fat, greasy pig that he is, has nothing to say about
greed. You will find his photograph in the dictionary next to the word
'hypocrite':

http://watchdogwire.com/blog/2014/07/28/opinion-height-hypocrisy-michael-moore-owns-nine-houses-worth-50-million/

> ;-)

Andrew Swallow

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Jan 14, 2016, 3:51:06 PM1/14/16
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On 14/01/2016 19:54, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.
>
> Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
> ;-)

Where as socialism is based on exploitation and lies. You replace
businessmen with politicians who do not know how to switch the machines
on but do know how to by luxuries for themselves.

Jonathan

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Jan 14, 2016, 8:11:14 PM1/14/16
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His TV nation Pilot where he traveled to Russia to find the
'Flint Missile', the Russian nuclear missile targeted at
Flint Michigan was great. I can't find it on Utube,
but he supposedly got the Russians to tell him the
aiming point, at the intersection of appropriately named
...Bluff and Bang Street.

http://wikimapia.org/1845067/Russian-Bomb-Aiming-Point






> http://watchdogwire.com/blog/2014/07/28/opinion-height-hypocrisy-michael-moore-owns-nine-houses-worth-50-million/
>
>
>> ;-)
>

Jonathan

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Jan 14, 2016, 8:36:54 PM1/14/16
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Pretty much the entire state was poisoned with
Polybrominated biphenyls back in the 70's.
If you lived in Michigan in 1973 and ate
meat or eggs, you got poisoned, Ron Howard did a
movie about it...


"In 1973, several thousand pounds of FireMaster BP-6 were
accidentally mixed with livestock feed that was distributed
to farms in Michigan, USA.[11] Some 1.5 million chickens,
30,000 cattle, 5,900 pigs, and 1,470 sheep then consumed
this feed, became contaminated with PBBs and the carcasses
were disposed of in landfill sites throughout the state.[12]
These events were portrayed in the 1981 film Bitter Harvest
and in the book "The Poisoning of Michigan". A 1978 episode
of Lou Grant ("Slaughter") portrays a similar, but
fictionalized account. One year elapsed before the
animals were culled."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybrominated_biphenyl#Michigan_PBB_contamination_incident



Bitter Harvest (1981 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Harvest_(1981_film)


Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 15, 2016, 11:09:34 AM1/15/16
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The current water poisoning is not accidental...it is criminal negligence.
;-)







































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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 15, 2016, 12:13:52 PM1/15/16
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gee, what a warped and distorted opinion.

About your use of word "exploitation"...son, exploitation is the very
*essence* of Capitalism. The essence of socialism: people before profits.

The family unit is an example of basic socialism.

U.S. Socialism: minimum wage laws, child labor laws, 40 hour work week,
overtime pay, safe food, drug safety, public education k-12,
public roads, insurance of any type, nutrition labels, Social Security,
Medicare, Worker's Compensation insurance, etc.

Capitalism benefits the long-term common good *only* when controlled by socialism.

no charge
;-)

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 15, 2016, 12:23:30 PM1/15/16
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
It seems they just can't resist my threads...BEGONE!, I say.

he he he
;-)

David E. Powell

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Jan 15, 2016, 11:37:13 PM1/15/16
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OUCH.

The 1970s were not a good time for chemicals in the USA. I feel terrible for all the Michiganders involved in this stuff.

I wonder if Flint has a lot of lead pipes as part of their infrastructure? Michigan's infrastructure itself may be an issue in some places that have been hit hard since the 1970s and haven't had much budget to improve or replace older gear.

smharding

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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:

> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.

Capitalism seems to have served Michael Moore quite well. How many houses
and millions does that guy have?

> Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
> ;-)

You left out risk. Providing venture capital to a new neighborhood restaurant
employing 5 people, or a new company called Microsoft that eventually
employs thousands, there is an element of risk involved in the process.

If you're willing to take big risks, the payoff can be big, but typically it is a
bust. Most new businesses only last a year or two. No one seems to be crying
for the guy, big or small, that loses the gamble.

Fairness has its place, but greed is a powerful driving force that makes people
willing to risk their money and future for a later payoff for what they hope is a
"good idea".

Companies are not social welfare agencies. They are created to provide value
to their shareholders.

If it's so easy, there's nothing to stop anyone from chipping in some cash of
their own to make their easy fortunes themselves.

Greed is just as abundant in socialist economic systems as it is in capitalist ones.


SMH

smharding

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Jan 16, 2016, 8:48:20 AM1/16/16
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You get what you pay for Andrew.


SMH

Jim Wilkins

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"smharding" <smha...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Capitalism suits those who can participate effectively in this
reality, but not those who passively dream of a world that owes them a
living.



Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 17, 2016, 1:18:13 AM1/17/16
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Capitalism eventually leaves a trail of ruin as the Capitalists
pick up and move to a new area to exploit. The U.S. has 30 million
people living in poverty, and Capitalism has left its ugly remains
in nearly all places south of the Rio Grande to tip of Argentina.
We need more socialist controls on American Capitalists...e.g. break
up the corporations "too big to fail" so that they *can* fail.
;-)

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 17, 2016, 1:29:00 AM1/17/16
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smharding wrote:
> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.
>
>
> Capitalism seems to have served Michael Moore quite well. How many houses
> and millions does that guy have?
>
>> Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
>> ;-)
>
>
> You left out risk.

oh you wish a dialogue with me, how stupid of you


> Providing venture capital to a new neighborhood restaurant

Son, yet another corner restaurant is not going to cut it...anyone
can start these type dead-end "companies" that usually soon fail.

> employing 5 people, or a new company called Microsoft that eventually

Son, Microsoft-type opportunities are extremely rare...and Bill Gates
was a *very* intelligent person. Armies of his competition failed.
*You* would have failed. The vast majority of people work for
someone else hourly or salaried with damn little security. The hype
of Capitalism that anyone can make it rich and be their own boss
is a myth...the same type myth that gambling casinos depend on to
keep suckers coming back.


> employs thousands, there is an element of risk involved in the process.
>
> If you're willing to take big risks, the payoff can be big, but
> typically it is a
> bust. Most new businesses only last a year or two.

There ya go son...those are run-of-the-mill restaurants/coffee shops/
furniture selling stores...or any of hundreds of mundane businesses
that might marginally make it if there is no competition.


No one seems to be
> crying
> for the guy, big or small, that loses the gamble.
>
> Fairness has its place, but greed is a powerful driving force that makes
> people
> willing to risk their money and future for a later payoff for what they
> hope is a
> "good idea".

Again, son, it's a myth that most anyone can do it.

>
> Companies are not social welfare agencies. They are created to provide
> value
> to their shareholders.

Son, they are created to make *maximum* profits, and damn fairness, morality,
or ethics...usually it's at best "whatever is legal". i.e. greedy exploitation

>
> If it's so easy, there's nothing to stop anyone from chipping in some
> cash of
> their own to make their easy fortunes themselves.

well yeah, son

>
> Greed is just as abundant in socialist economic systems as it is in
> capitalist ones.

You are full of shit, son...trolling me.


>
>
> SMH

btw, son, what's the name of your company that you started? Thought not. qed.

and finally, son, if Capitalism worked as advertised, it would
be very easy to eliminate poverty everywhere. *Very* easy.
;-)

Stephen Harding

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On 1/17/2016 1:29 AM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> smharding wrote:
>> Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.
>>
>>
>> Capitalism seems to have served Michael Moore quite well. How many
>> houses
>> and millions does that guy have?
>>
>>> Capitalism is based on greed, not fairness.
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> You left out risk.
>
> oh you wish a dialogue with me, how stupid of you

"Dialogue" with you is not possible. Everyone here knows that!

You are capable only of non-negative interactions with those that mirror
your own political/economic opinions.

Dialogue is not possible with an ideologue such as yourself.

>> Providing venture capital to a new neighborhood restaurant
>
> Son, yet another corner restaurant is not going to cut it...anyone
> can start these type dead-end "companies" that usually soon fail.
>
>> employing 5 people, or a new company called Microsoft that eventually
>
> Son, Microsoft-type opportunities are extremely rare...and Bill Gates
> was a *very* intelligent person. Armies of his competition failed.
> *You* would have failed. The vast majority of people work for
> someone else hourly or salaried with damn little security. The hype
> of Capitalism that anyone can make it rich and be their own boss
> is a myth...the same type myth that gambling casinos depend on to
> keep suckers coming back.

Starting *any* successful business is difficult.

I don't believe "fairness" would have started many.

>> employs thousands, there is an element of risk involved in the process.
>>
>> If you're willing to take big risks, the payoff can be big, but
>> typically it is a
>> bust. Most new businesses only last a year or two.
>
> There ya go son...those are run-of-the-mill restaurants/coffee shops/
> furniture selling stores...or any of hundreds of mundane businesses
> that might marginally make it if there is no competition.

"Mundane businesses" are where most people work. They don't get started
in the interests of fairness. They get started to make money and earn
a living.

> No one seems to be
>> crying
>> for the guy, big or small, that loses the gamble.
>>
>> Fairness has its place, but greed is a powerful driving force that
>> makes people
>> willing to risk their money and future for a later payoff for what
>> they hope is a
>> "good idea".
>
> Again, son, it's a myth that most anyone can do it.

Dingbat. I already said it was difficult, with higher likelihood of
failure than success. Socialist systems have historically done much worse.

>> Companies are not social welfare agencies. They are created to
>> provide value
>> to their shareholders.
>
> Son, they are created to make *maximum* profits, and damn fairness,
> morality,
> or ethics...usually it's at best "whatever is legal". i.e. greedy
> exploitation

Maximize profits indeed. How that is done is more a function of the
people managing the company.

You'll note some of the fine communists of the Soviet Union smoothly
transitioned to capitalism when that Union broke up. The onset of
Capitalism didn't suddenly change their natures. Capitalism didn't
suddenly make them greedy exploitive bastards. Socialist countries
have their share of the type as well.

>>
>> If it's so easy, there's nothing to stop anyone from chipping in some
>> cash of
>> their own to make their easy fortunes themselves.
>
> well yeah, son
>
>>
>> Greed is just as abundant in socialist economic systems as it is in
>> capitalist ones.
>
> You are full of shit, son...trolling me.

Says the great troller himself.

I'd love to see you teaching your imaginary classes at your imaginary
University. Better yet, as a discussion panelist at one of your
imaginary academic conferences.

> btw, son, what's the name of your company that you started? Thought
> not. qed.

I'm not quite sure what the relevance of the question is or what
precisely you believe you have definitely proven.

I've had to pay quarterly estimated taxes and 100% of my employment
taxes and healthcare costs at times over the years.

But I suppose you'd be a veritable Bill Gates if you only lived under
a socialist system.

> and finally, son, if Capitalism worked as advertised, it would
> be very easy to eliminate poverty everywhere. *Very* easy.

Baloney as usual. Poverty exists in socialist countries too.

You're making stuff up [again] and you're becoming boring and pedantic
[again], so it's time to ditch you [again] until I give you another
chance to make the world (or a small part of it on the internet) a
nicer place with thoughtful and civil discussion.

You missed your chance yet again.


SMH

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 17, 2016, 3:29:45 PM1/17/16
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Stephen Harding wrote:
>
> > btw, son, what's the name of your company that you started? Thought
> > not. qed.
>
> I'm not quite sure what the relevance of the question is

well son, the relevance is that you have vigorously defended the
alleged virtues of Capitalism (that anyone can start their own business,
become their own boss, and become rich) and yet in your entire
lifetime you never did that (you always worked for other people),
proving your assertions a *myth* (or that you are too stupid to do
what you say anyone can do).

in short, your own lifetime proves your assertions false.
;-)

Gernot Hassenpflug

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Jan 17, 2016, 9:16:38 PM1/17/16
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+1

--
NNTP on Emacs 24.3 from Windows 7

︰ones

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Jan 18, 2016, 8:30:38 AM1/18/16
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Do you actually expect us to *pay* that nitwit?

We could take a collection and pay him to fuck off.

Jones

Uncle Steve

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Jan 18, 2016, 11:06:39 AM1/18/16
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Spoken like a true politician. Your 'capitalism' includes a corporate
spying industry latched onto the so-called national security apparatus
which is utterly out of control, and the recipient of a bottomless
well of funding for which there is no practical fiscal accountability.
Fully half of your government is employed on the basis that the poor
and poverty were created by God to give employment to government
workers, and to give them a subject population to exploit for
ideological purposes. Your "capitalism" allows the massive fraud of
organized religion to prosper on the backs of brainwashed masses as
unregulated tax-free economic concerns.

Your captitalist participants are divided into two categories. The
first and vastly smaller group are the genuine innovators who utilize
technical and economic means to generate prosperity for themselves and
their employees. The second and much larger category are the amoral
exploitative parasites who suck on the neck of the nation and drink
its blood without regard for the consequences of their policies --
thieving rats, IOW.

Your little sound bite is on par with the myth of equality between the
sexes or among different ethinic groups. Jingoistic horseshit.



--
We all cannot be intelligent, but at least we can all be polite.

Jim Wilkins

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Jan 18, 2016, 12:23:21 PM1/18/16
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"Uncle Steve" <stev...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Corrupt parasites have always plagued ALL human institutions,
including the Workers' Paradise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura

http://stalingrad_1943.tripod.com/stalingrad/id19.html

Capitalism is no worse and may be better than Socialism in that
respect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Venezuela



Uncle Steve

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Jan 18, 2016, 12:35:33 PM1/18/16
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Soviet socialism was a sham under which strongmen and plutocrats went
through the motions and spoke many empty, insincere words while
enjoying considerable privelege at the expense of the workers and
peasantry. It was no better than organized religion in any
contemporary Christian country today in terms of the integrity of its
core ideology. A functional socialist economy remains to be attempted
at national scale.

Jonathan

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Jan 18, 2016, 7:07:22 PM1/18/16
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Here's the account of what happened from CNN, I guess this
is what happens when there's incompetence at every step
in the process, from the state to the local level
and everyone in between.



5 things to know about Flint's water crisis

"In charge of the city's budget amid a financial emergency, the
state decided to temporarily switch Flint's water source from
Lake Huron to the Flint River as a cost-saving measure until
a new supply line to Lake Huron was ready. The river had a
reputation for nastiness, and after the April 2014 switch,
residents complained their water looked, smelled and tasted
funny.

Virginia Tech researchers found the water was highly corrosive.
A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of
Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion,
in accordance with federal law, and because so many service
lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached
into the water of the city's homes.

How tap water became toxic in Flint

The city switched back to the Lake Huron water supply in October,
but the damage was already done to the lead pipes. The state
is now handing out filters and bottled water with the National
Guard."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/18/us/flint-michigan-water-crisis-five-things/









redv...@gmail.com

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Jan 18, 2016, 7:32:45 PM1/18/16
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:34:00 -0500, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

(edited for brevity...)
>
>Soviet socialism was a sham under which strongmen and plutocrats went
>through the motions and spoke many empty, insincere words while
>enjoying considerable privelege at the expense of the workers and
>peasantry. It was no better than organized religion in any
>contemporary Christian country today in terms of the integrity of its
>core ideology. A functional socialist economy remains to be attempted
>at national scale.


Good Catch

redvet
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Clifford R Krieger

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In rec.aviation.military Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
There are no perfect systems. It is helpful if most agree on one or the
other and then we all try to make it work. My money is on Capitalism in
some form. It seems to have pulled a lot of folks out of poverty over the
last few centuries.

David E. Powell

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Jan 23, 2016, 12:46:24 PM1/23/16
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Oh, yes. I have always looked at the examples of Argentina and Chile, right next door to each other, but with vastly different economic policies. Ditto North & South Korea, though that is a far more extreme example.

Andrew Swallow

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Jan 23, 2016, 1:41:01 PM1/23/16
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Capitalists do what they do not because they like it but what trial and
error showed worked.

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 24, 2016, 8:11:30 PM1/24/16
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Clifford R Krieger wrote:
> In rec.aviation.military Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> : On 14/01/2016 19:54, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> :> Michael Moore is from Flint and he blames, as I do, greedy Capitalism.
> :>
>
> My money is on Capitalism in
> some form. It seems to have pulled a lot of folks out of poverty over the
> last few centuries.

Great, then it will pull Flint out of poverty, as well as the other
30 million Americans in poverty.

I like well-controlled Capitalism...I say put people basic needs
before vulgar profit exploitation.

btw...it was *unions* that created U.S. middle class...not the greedy Capitalists.
;-)

Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.

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Jan 24, 2016, 8:14:31 PM1/24/16
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OK then compare U.S to neighbor Capitalist Haiti. Or compare Haiti
GDP ($1300) to North Korea GDP ($1800). That's *north* korea, son.

And U.S. has propped up South Korea (ignoring Haiti, btw) while isolating and
keeping North Korea on a war footing.

As usual, you are an *unreasoned* over-opinionated buffoon, so please
stay out of my threads, thank you.
;-)

meport

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Jan 26, 2016, 8:13:36 AM1/26/16
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On 1/13/2016 12:32 PM, JackPineSavage wrote:
>
> "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <pres...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
> news:iJmdnSfXJZ-H7AvL...@supernews.com...
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Michigan Governor Rick Snyder has deployed the National Guard to
>> help distribute water and filters in Flint amid a crisis over the
>> lead in the city’s water. The poisoning began after an unelected
>> emergency manager appointed by Governor Snyder switched the city’s
>> water source to the long-polluted Flint River in a bid to save
>> money. Residents have reported lasting health impacts, including
>> cognitive impairment.
>
> This would explain Eris..........
>
>
> Residents have called for Governor Snyder’s
>> resignation and arrest.
>
> Need to arrest the head of the EPA as well as her boss who stifled a key
> report.
>
> http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/12/epa-stayed-silent-flints-tainted-water/78719620/
>
>
>> > --------------------------------
>>
>> posted as a public service
>> ;-)
>
The citizens of Flint ought to try to get the US Attorney to deploy the
US Marshall's Service to the Governor's Office in Lansing to arrest the
governor for attempted mass murder.

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David E. Powell

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Jan 26, 2016, 10:37:50 AM1/26/16
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redv...@gmail.com

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Jan 26, 2016, 7:29:43 PM1/26/16
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indeed

redvet
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StumpyVet

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Jan 26, 2016, 8:15:37 PM1/26/16
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idea....youse guy's in the islands got lotsa water...send some to
flint...sure all that extra sodium will kill the rest of em but it's
more humane than them shooting one another

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Weatherlawyer

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Jan 28, 2016, 2:24:25 PM1/28/16
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On Saturday, 16 January 2016 14:50:18 UTC, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Capitalism suits those who can participate effectively in this
> reality, but not those who passively dream of a world that owes them a
> living.

You have just described most of the president's would be replacements as well as the chimpanzee he replaced.
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