SO, Will Trump Invade Syria to Divert from the Scandals

[Jonathan]

I bet Trump is in a dark mood and killing
some terrorists would go a long way to
soothing his bruised ego.


Trump today...


"Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially
by the media. No politician in history, and I say
this with great surety, has been treated worse or
more unfairly,"




Does the following description sound familiar???
Note the date.


Borderline Personality Disorder: Heroic Martyr or Emotional Vampire?

By bernardpliers
Friday Nov 29, 2013


BPD see themselves as always being the victim of other people.
They constantly accuse the people closest to them of acting
maliciously against them. These accusations change constantly,
and the BPD doesn't really "believe" the accusations they
make or even try to keep track of them like a good liar.

Although their accusations are often incoherent and
contradictory, they make up for that with the tremendous
number of lies they tell and the theatrical emotionality
of their stories.

Their accusations that others are sabotaging them are often
merely projection (pot kettle black) of their own efforts
to sabotage and betray coworkers, spouses, and children.

Besides being the eternal victim, many BPDs will strive
to be seen as heroes, defenders of the truth and the weak.
This involves declaring that "bad" people deserve to be
punished and then singling them out for months or years
of accusations and abuse. Because rage and abusiveness
proves they are good.

As some of the comments note, there is a an overlap between
narcissism and BPD. The key difference seems to be that
the BPD is codependent and the narcissist is counterdependent.
In other words, the BPD clings desperately to just about anyone,
while the narcissist usually terminates romantic relationships.


It's probably easiest to start be describing how a BPD acts:


Can't be alone, can't stand to be with others, a common
neurotic trait.

Makes everyone walk on eggshells - this is a a common way
of describing other personality disorders as well.

Extreme pride and grandiosity - even thought the BPD suffers
from a crippling lack of self esteem, they may give the
appearance of being armor plated. Whatever criticism reaches
them is filtered through layer after layer of denial and
distortion. They may be quite proud of their character flaws.

Shame and secrecy - There is a general sense that anything the
BPD does in private must never be spoken of. In selecting the
person for group bullying (in the home or workplace) they will
single out the truth teller of the group.

"Gaslighting" - trying to convince others that they are
mentally ill, such as trying to convince them that real
abuse did not occur. In Wikipdeia and a personality
disorder blog.

Projective Identification - playing the victim by constantly
trying to provoke others into being angry. This not only
fills the emotional needs of the BPD, it can nearly make
it impossible for observers to determine which person is ill
and abusive. See this diary.

Respect me! - pretend my fake emotions are real. This is
common in many mental health problems.

Conflict in all their relationships. Years of grudges and score
keeping

Nothing is their fault, especially their own emotions.
Other people are to blame for the BPD's feelings, as if
everyone else has the power to broadcast directly into
the BPD brain. Blame others people for making them feel bad,
then blame others for not making the BPD feel better.

Demands that people join in their mental games.
Creates a bubble of chaos where ever they go.

Don't tell me what to do! Pointless defiance seems to often
take the form of denying medical care to their children
or parents. Not taking their kid to the doctor is "standing up
for themselves" and being told that their kid needs to go to
the doctor makes them some sort of martyr

Constant ad hominem attacks - other people have horrible flaws.
Often the BPD can't quite identify their problem, but the
BPD is sure those flaws are in other people and they must
be punished.

They will pick apart everything another person says, and
turn that into an accusation. Living with the BPD is like
living through the Inquisition. Their style can be described
as "analyze and accuse, analyze and accuse."

They will always claim to know what other people thinking so
that they always have an excuse for their rage.

Punishing "thought crimes" - since they know what people are
thinking, they are in a perfect position to actively punish
people for thinking bad thoughts and to recruit other to help
punish the thought criminal.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/29/1251025/-Borderline-Personality-Disorder-Heroic-Martyr-or-Emotional-Vampire

[David E. Powell]

Didn't you worry that Trump was Pro-Russia, and would enable Assad through inaction? Haven't you asked, may times, for someone to stop the Barrel, as in, stop Assad's barrel bombs?

If so, why would President Trump hitting Syria hard be unwelcome for you? Wouldn't it be a positive thing? After all, Trump already showed he would be willing to use force to enforce the Obama Administration's stated policy on use of Chemical weapons there.

P.S. Daily Kos is about as unbiased as the North Korean News Service, and just about as Communist.

[Jonathan]

Yep I would be happy if the US intervened more forcibly
and stopped the civil war. But Trump is now more worried
about saving his own ass.

Although just last week Trump did some serious Putin
ass-kissing.

Ya know Putin offered to release a transcript of
the oval office meeting where Trump gave the
Russians the Israeli intelligence without
Israel's permission. To 'help' Trump with
the scandal.

And Trump didn't take Putin up on that offer.

Ya know what that means???

1) The Russians were secretly recording the conversation
IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE.

2) Since Trump didn't take Putin up on the offer
clearly the transcript would hurt not help Trump.

3) That means Putin now has dirt of Trump that Putin
can release at any time to embarrass Trump.

4) Putin can and probably is blackmailing Trump over
that transcript, if not already blackmailing Trump
all the Russian money Trump's son said was 'pouring in'
to the Trump real estate.

What a incredibly stupid security breach to let
the Russian photographers into the oval office
and now they have a 'transcript' of the meeting
to blackmail Trump with.

This is incredible, and if not for all the other
scandals going on, it would be a big deal, but
it's peanuts compared to all the other stuff.

And even Pence, he was the head of the vetting
team and Flynn told the vetting lawyer he
was under investigation by the FBI at the
time for taking half a million from Turkey.

Yet they hired him anyways, that's Trump
hiring his guy from Moscow no matter what.

You can't get a janitors job at the White House
if your under investigation by the FBI, and
Pence lied about it saying when the news broke
it was the first he'd heard about the Turkey
money. Pence was in charge of the vetting.

I mean every day a new revelation.

And now we hear Trump has been emailing
Flynn as recently as two weeks ago no
doubt hoping to butter him up so Flynn
won't toss him under the bus.

Do you know that in the last months of the
Obama administration Obama wanted to arm
the Kurds to take the capital of ISIS, but
since the operation would stretch into the
new administration Obama told Flynn about
his decision to arm the Kurds.

Flynn said no, and Obama didn't send the arms.
Flynn said no while he was under the PAYROLL
$530,000 of Turkey that adamantly opposes
arming the Kurds.

Flynn stopping the fight against ISIS while under
the pay of a foreign govt, doing the bidding
of that foreign govt Turkey against our own
interests, that borders on treason.

Btw Trump last week decided to arm the Kurds
so now the operation to take the capital of
ISIS, Raqqa, is getting underway at last.

This is all just in the last week, what
will happen tomorrow?

[Kerryn Offord]

On 5/19/2017 11:34 AM, Jonathan wrote:
<SNIP>

>
> Ya know Putin offered to release a transcript of
> the oval office meeting where Trump gave the
> Russians the Israeli intelligence without
> Israel's permission. To 'help' Trump with
> the scandal.
>
> And Trump didn't take Putin up on that offer.
>
> Ya know what that means???
>
> 1) The Russians were secretly recording the conversation
> IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE.
>
> 2) Since Trump didn't take Putin up on the offer
> clearly the transcript would hurt not help Trump.
>
> 3) That means Putin now has dirt of Trump that Putin
> can release at any time to embarrass Trump.
>
> 4) Putin can and probably is blackmailing Trump over
> that transcript, if not already blackmailing Trump
> all the Russian money Trump's son said was 'pouring in'
> to the Trump real estate.
>
> What a incredibly stupid security breach to let
> the Russian photographers into the oval office
> and now they have a 'transcript' of the meeting
> to blackmail Trump with.
>
> This is incredible, and if not for all the other
> scandals going on, it would be a big deal, but
> it's peanuts compared to all the other stuff.

> <SNIP>


Jonathan scaremongering again...

No, it doesn't mean that Russia was secretly recording a conversation in
the oval Office. What it does mean is that Russia has a record (probably
from a recording) of the conversation held in the Oval Office.. But they
could very easily have done this openly.

And frankly, it is unlikely the Russians would announce they can provide
a transcript if the only way they could have got it was by secretly
recording anything.. That would be a diplomatic error..

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/17/2017 11:36 PM, David E. Powell wrote:
>>
>> Didn't you worry that Trump was Pro-Russia, and would enable Assad through inaction? Haven't you asked, may times, for someone to stop the Barrel, as in, stop Assad's barrel bombs?
>>
>> If so, why would President Trump hitting Syria hard be unwelcome for you? Wouldn't it be a positive thing? After all, Trump already showed he would be willing to use force to enforce the Obama Administration's stated policy on use of Chemical weapons there.
>>
>> P.S. Daily Kos is about as unbiased as the North Korean News Service, and just about as Communist.
>>
>
>Yep I would be happy if the US intervened more forcibly
>and stopped the civil war. But Trump is now more worried
>about saving his own ass.
>

Yep. Thanks to you and those like you, we've got lots of smoke and
distractions that will, when all is said and done, pretty much come to
nothing but get in the way of government doing anything effective.

<snip JonthySpew>


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

[Airyx]

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 6:35:38 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:

> And Trump didn't take Putin up on that offer.
>
> Ya know what that means???
>
> 1) The Russians were secretly recording the conversation
> IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE.

No, it doesn't mean that. Both sides kept a transcript, as is the case with every meeting that ever happens at the white house. Summaries of all white house meetings (including this one) can be found at whitehouse.gov, and the full transcript is available at gpo.gov.

While you are there, you might also want to read Trump's phone call with South Korean President Moon Jae-in, which took place right after his meeting with the Russians, and Mike Pence's meeting with Pavlo Klimkin of Ukraine about an hour later...yes, the Ukrainians and the Russians were in the building at the same time. I surprised a fight didn't break out in the hallway.

> 2) Since Trump didn't take Putin up on the offer
> clearly the transcript would hurt not help Trump.

No, it means it is unnecessary.

> 3) That means Putin now has dirt of Trump that Putin
> can release at any time to embarrass Trump.

As if the tapes of Trump receiving golden showers from Russian prostitutes wasn't enough.

> What a incredibly stupid security breach to let
> the Russian photographers into the oval office
> and now they have a 'transcript' of the meeting
> to blackmail Trump with.

Nope, standard process. Happens every day with representatives of every country.

[Fred J. McCall]

Airyx <ewei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 6:35:38 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
>
>> And Trump didn't take Putin up on that offer.
>>
>> Ya know what that means???
>>
>> 1) The Russians were secretly recording the conversation
>> IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE.
>
>No, it doesn't mean that. Both sides kept a transcript, as is the case with every meeting that ever happens at the white house. Summaries of all white house meetings (including this one) can be found at whitehouse.gov, and the full transcript is available at gpo.gov.
>

Except for the classified bits. Lots of White House meetings occur
that are classified.

>
>While you are there, you might also want to read Trump's phone call with South Korean President Moon Jae-in, which took place right after his meeting with the Russians, and Mike Pence's meeting with Pavlo Klimkin of Ukraine about an hour later...yes, the Ukrainians and the Russians were in the building at the same time. I surprised a fight didn't break out in the hallway.
>
>> 2) Since Trump didn't take Putin up on the offer
>> clearly the transcript would hurt not help Trump.
>
>No, it means it is unnecessary.
>

Jonthy lives in this fantasy world where Putin and Trump are the Axis
of Evil.

>
>> 3) That means Putin now has dirt of Trump that Putin
>> can release at any time to embarrass Trump.
>
>As if the tapes of Trump receiving golden showers from Russian prostitutes wasn't enough.
>

Yeah, it turned out those didn't exist, either.

>
>> What a incredibly stupid security breach to let
>> the Russian photographers into the oval office
>> and now they have a 'transcript' of the meeting
>> to blackmail Trump with.
>
>Nope, standard process. Happens every day with representatives of every country.
>

You've got to remember that in Jonthy's fantasy world Putin needs to
blackmail Trump.

[Jonathan]

On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 6:35:38 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
>
>> And Trump didn't take Putin up on that offer.
>>
>> Ya know what that means???
>>
>> 1) The Russians were secretly recording the conversation
>> IN THE FUCKING OVAL OFFICE.
>
> No, it doesn't mean that. Both sides kept a transcript, as is the case with every meeting that ever happens at the white house. Summaries of all white house meetings (including this one) can be found at whitehouse.gov, and the full transcript is available at gpo.gov.
>

Well, now that someone from the White House staff leaked
the conversation Trump had with the Russians, we can
see why the Russians were offering up their own version
and we can see it would NOT help Trump one little bit
but quite the opposite.

A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.

The next day he meets with the Russians
and tells the...Russians the truth why
he fired him...

Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.

The next day Trump lies to the American people and
says he fired Comey only because of the recommendation
of the Dep AG.

HE TELLS THE TRUTH TO THE RUSSIANS ONE DAY THEN LIES
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE NEXT DAY ABOUT COMEY.

WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING SLIMEBALL PIECE OF SHIT
RUSSIA LOVING TRAITOROUS MOTHER FUCKER DOES THAT???

Then the next day he says he fired Comey because
of the Russia investigation, essentially admitting
to obstruction of justice for the SECOND TIME
this week alone.

And today we here someone in Trump's inner circle is
a 'person of interest' by the FBI. Probably his
oligarch loving son in law.

This has been perhaps the most dramatic week in
American political history since, oh when Kennedy
was assassinated.

It took Nixon over two years to fall as far as
Trump has in 4 months.

Moeller is going to crucify Trump and since the
investigation is first about Russian meddling in
elections, it should be finished before the
next election....which would be nice.









s

[Peter Stickney]

And do it by announcing to the world that he's got this embarrassing
seekrit information - which kind of makes it hard to use for blackmail.

--
Pete Stickney
Struggle no more! I'm here to solve it with ALGORITHMS!

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>HE TELLS THE TRUTH TO THE RUSSIANS ONE DAY THEN LIES
>TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE NEXT DAY ABOUT COMEY.
>
>WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING SLIMEBALL PIECE OF SHIT
>RUSSIA LOVING TRAITOROUS MOTHER FUCKER DOES THAT???
>

Why, the kind who has been relentlessly attacked by TDS loons for six
months.


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

[Fred J. McCall]

Well, the other thing you've got to remember is that Jonthy is an
idiot and facts in no way affect his views.

[Jonathan]

On 5/20/2017 1:41 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> HE TELLS THE TRUTH TO THE RUSSIANS ONE DAY THEN LIES
>> TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE NEXT DAY ABOUT COMEY.
>>
>> WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING SLIMEBALL PIECE OF SHIT
>> RUSSIA LOVING TRAITOROUS MOTHER FUCKER DOES THAT???
>>
>
> Why, the kind who has been relentlessly attacked by TDS loons for six
> months.
>
>

Trump reminds me of Nathan Jessup in A Few Good Men.
Jessup caved on the stand because he had an emotional
need to say he gave the illegal order.

Same for Trump, he'll continue to shoot his mouth off
bragging he can get away with obstruction just because
he has a hole in his soul so large he needs to prove
he's King.

Trump is a fool, a national embarrassment, and he's
going to bury himself more every day.

The White House isn't brushing up on impeachnment
law for the fun of it, and this while the republicans
own all three branches.

Wake up Fred, your boy is falling hard and fast.


s

[Airyx]

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:56:05 AM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
> On 5/20/2017 1:41 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> > Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

You DO realize you are falling for the same fake news about Trump that you say doesn't exist...from the same Russian prop source.

They don't even attempt to hide that they are the source, but far left click-bait still picks it up...because it gets people like you to click on it.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Jonathan, <news:pJGdndjSb7CzDILE...@giganews.com>

> On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:

> A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.
>
> The next day he meets with the Russians
> and tells the...Russians the truth why
> he fired him...
>
> Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
> now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.

How can you know what exactly did Trump say to Lavrov?

The unnamed officials once more?

[Oleg Smirnov]

Airyx, <news:872826cf-8627-48db...@googlegroups.com>

> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:56:05 AM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 5/20/2017 1:41 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You DO realize you are falling for the same fake news
> about Trump that you say doesn't exist...from the same
> Russian prop source.

What is "the same Russian prop source"?

[Jonathan]

The obstruction evidence comes from three sources.

1) Former FBI director Comey

2) A transcript from Trump's meeting with the Russians
which the White House has not denied is accurate.

3) Trump's own mouth on national TV when he said he
fired Trump over the Russia investigation.

Hardly fake news, but quite credible, and when
Comey testifies we'll see what he has to say.
And Comey is easily more credible than Trump
for a dozen reasons, not to mention Comey
apparently documented the conversations as
they happened., and it seems many more which
are yet to be revealed. Can't wait~

Comey is an expert on national security law, btw
with an esteemed career. Hardly a nutjob.
Yes everyone agrees he botched the Hillary
press conferences, but he's still a very
credible source.


"In early 2013, he left Bridgewater to become a
Senior Research Scholar and Hertog Fellow on
National Security Law at Columbia Law School."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey


The only fake news is what comes out of
Trump's and Spicer's daily load of bullshit.

The White House is trying to claim Trump
fired Comey to improve the credibility of
the Russia investigation.

Talk about fake news? A village idiot wouldn't
believe that incredibly absurd spin.

Does anyone really think Trump wants the Russia
investigation to continue, and with more gusto?

Gawd you guys would believe anything, what rubes.


s

[Jonathan]

The White House has not denied the accuracy
of the leaked transcript one bit, so that
means they've essentially confirmed it's
accurate.

And the transcript almost certainly came
from Trump's own White House staff.

If Trump didn't say those words the White
House and Trump would be screaming it's
false, they are not doing that this time.

[David E. Powell]

If the White House denied it, their critics would say they were lying, anyway.

All I am seeing right now is that when a President is elected who the establishment does not want, who will ask why American Industry has been beaten up for so many years, the establishment in the Media, Washington, and Academia will try to destroy them, and override the vote of the people.

So far, all the President has done have been a few actions on energy. Everything else he has discussed is still in the Congress. the hysteria is mind blowing.

[Jonathan]

On 5/20/2017 11:35 AM, David E. Powell wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 10:58:05 AM UTC-4, Jonathan wrote:
>> On 5/20/2017 8:51 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> Jonathan, <news:pJGdndjSb7CzDILE...@giganews.com>
>>>> On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:
>>>
>>>> A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.
>>>>
>>>> The next day he meets with the Russians
>>>> and tells the...Russians the truth why
>>>> he fired him...
>>>>
>>>> Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
>>>> now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.
>>>
>>> How can you know what exactly did Trump say to Lavrov?
>>>
>>> The unnamed officials once more?
>>
>>
>> The White House has not denied the accuracy
>> of the leaked transcript one bit, so that
>> means they've essentially confirmed it's
>> accurate.
>>
>> And the transcript almost certainly came
>> from Trump's own White House staff.
>>
>> If Trump didn't say those words the White
>> House and Trump would be screaming it's
>> false, they are not doing that this time.
>
> If the White House denied it, their critics would say they were lying, anyway.
>

You can't have it both ways, the White House has
been very consistent in denouncing whatever
they think is in error. This time they know
if they did the proof would be released
and they'd be seen as liars, that's the
only reason they won't deny it now, they
know there's proof out there.

I mean use some common sense.

> All I am seeing right now is that when a President is elected who the establishment does not want, who will ask why American Industry has been beaten up for so many years, the establishment in the Media, Washington, and Academia will try to destroy them, and override the vote of the people.
>

The 'establishment'? In most elections the difference
between left and right is maybe 2% or 3%, most
elections are very close. When Clinton was in
office the 'establishment' did everything
they could to crucify him, and all they
found was he lied about an affair, peanuts
compared to Trump's Russian love affair
and his blatant obstruction attempts.

Trump is being attacked because he's assaulting
things like truth, integrity and competence of
which he has little to none.

Welcome to the fringe of American public opinion...

Americans favor a Special Council almost 2 to 1, which
is a huge difference. And almost 40% of republicans
now want Trump investigated by a SC, that's incredible.

And there's no way to spin that, a SC is not something
anyone would want. Trump has made it very clear
he wants all his investigations to end promptly
and fiercely opposed a SC.



"Fifty-six percent of registered voters support
appointing a special prosecutor, a far greater share
than the 30 percent who oppose an independent counsel
investigating the matter."


"Three out of four Democratic voters support a
special prosecutor, compared to 39 percent of
Republicans and 54 percent of independents."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/poll-special-prosecutor-trump-russia-235802

[RIDOMT]

On Sat, 20 May 2017 10:57:23 -0400, Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/20/2017 8:51 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Jonathan, <news:pJGdndjSb7CzDILE...@giganews.com>
>>> On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:
>>
>>> A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.
>>>
>>> The next day he meets with the Russians
>>> and tells the...Russians the truth why
>>> he fired him...
>>>
>>> Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
>>> now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.
>>
>> How can you know what exactly did Trump say to Lavrov?
>>
>> The unnamed officials once more?
>
>
>
>
>The White House has not denied the accuracy
>of the leaked transcript one bit, so that
>means they've essentially confirmed it's
>accurate.

"Neither confirm nor deny."

IMHO action best used with false accusations and fake news.



[ Flush Jonathan kook spew ]

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/20/2017 1:41 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> HE TELLS THE TRUTH TO THE RUSSIANS ONE DAY THEN LIES
>>> TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE NEXT DAY ABOUT COMEY.
>>>
>>> WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING SLIMEBALL PIECE OF SHIT
>>> RUSSIA LOVING TRAITOROUS MOTHER FUCKER DOES THAT???
>>>
>>
>> Why, the kind who has been relentlessly attacked by TDS loons for six
>> months.
>>
>
>Trump reminds me of Nathan Jessup in A Few Good Men.
>Jessup caved on the stand because he had an emotional
>need to say he gave the illegal order.
>

You need to stop getting your ideas of reality from movies, Jonthy.

>
>Same for Trump, he'll continue to shoot his mouth off
>bragging he can get away with obstruction just because
>he has a hole in his soul so large he needs to prove
>he's King.
>
>Trump is a fool, a national embarrassment, and he's
>going to bury himself more every day.
>
>The White House isn't brushing up on impeachnment
>law for the fun of it, and this while the republicans
>own all three branches.
>

Who told you what the White House was doing? Last thing I saw the
White House doing was making a HALF TRILLION DOLLAR trade deal with
the King of Saudi Arabia in order to try to help contain Iran.

>
>Wake up Fred, your boy is falling hard and fast.
>

You're still unable to wrap your head around the idea that I'm not
pro-Trump; I'm anti-idiot. Yes, Jonthy, that means I'm anti-Jonthy.

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/20/2017 8:28 AM, Airyx wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:56:05 AM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2017 1:41 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>> Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You DO realize you are falling for the same fake news about Trump that you say doesn't exist...from the same Russian prop source.
>>
>> They don't even attempt to hide that they are the source, but far left click-bait still picks it up...because it gets people like you to click on it.
>>
>
>The obstruction evidence comes from three sources.
>
>1) Former FBI director Comey
>

We'll see what he says. Expect lots of political spin and not much
heat or light.

Neither of the following two items is 'obstruction of justice'.

>
>2) A transcript from Trump's meeting with the Russians
> which the White House has not denied is accurate.
>
>3) Trump's own mouth on national TV when he said he
> fired Trump over the Russia investigation.
>
>Hardly fake news, but quite credible, and when
>Comey testifies we'll see what he has to say.
>And Comey is easily more credible than Trump
>for a dozen reasons, not to mention Comey
>apparently documented the conversations as
>they happened., and it seems many more which
>are yet to be revealed. Can't wait~
>

Do us all a favor and please hold your breath (and your water) until
then.

<snip JonthySpinZone>

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/20/2017 8:51 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Jonathan, <news:pJGdndjSb7CzDILE...@giganews.com>
>>> On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:
>>
>>> A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.
>>>
>>> The next day he meets with the Russians
>>> and tells the...Russians the truth why
>>> he fired him...
>>>
>>> Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
>>> now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.
>>
>> How can you know what exactly did Trump say to Lavrov?
>>
>> The unnamed officials once more?
>>
>
>The White House has not denied the accuracy
>of the leaked transcript one bit, so that
>means they've essentially confirmed it's
>accurate.
>

Poppycock. You seriously think not deigning to respond is a
confirmation? You are an even bigger nutjob than I thought you were
(and that's going some). By that 'logic' the Clintons murdered Vince
Foster, since someone claimed they did and they never denied it.

[Fred J. McCall]

Jonathan <Wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/20/2017 11:35 AM, David E. Powell wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 10:58:05 AM UTC-4, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2017 8:51 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>> Jonathan, <news:pJGdndjSb7CzDILE...@giganews.com>
>>>>> On 5/19/2017 5:35 PM, Airyx wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A week ago Tuesday Trump fires Comey.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next day he meets with the Russians
>>>>> and tells the...Russians the truth why
>>>>> he fired him...
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump to Lavrov..."I fired that crazy nutjob Comey and
>>>>> now the pressure is off from the Russian investigation.
>>>>
>>>> How can you know what exactly did Trump say to Lavrov?
>>>>
>>>> The unnamed officials once more?
>>>
>>>
>>> The White House has not denied the accuracy
>>> of the leaked transcript one bit, so that
>>> means they've essentially confirmed it's
>>> accurate.
>>>
>>> And the transcript almost certainly came
>>> from Trump's own White House staff.
>>>
>>> If Trump didn't say those words the White
>>> House and Trump would be screaming it's
>>> false, they are not doing that this time.
>>
>> If the White House denied it, their critics would say they were lying, anyway.
>>
>

>You can't have it both ways, ...
>

Please look up the meaning of the phrase "have it both ways".

>
>... the White House has

>been very consistent in denouncing whatever
>they think is in error. This time they know
>if they did the proof would be released
>and they'd be seen as liars, that's the
>only reason they won't deny it now, they
>know there's proof out there.
>
>I mean use some common sense.
>

So the airlines have never denied Chemtrails, so they really do exist?

I mean use some common sense.

>
>>
>> All I am seeing right now is that when a President is elected who the establishment does not want, who will ask why American Industry has been beaten up for so many years, the establishment in the Media, Washington, and Academia will try to destroy them, and override the vote of the people.
>>
>
>The 'establishment'? In most elections the difference
>between left and right is maybe 2% or 3%, most
>elections are very close. When Clinton was in
>office the 'establishment' did everything
>they could to crucify him, and all they
>found was he lied about an affair, peanuts
>compared to Trump's Russian love affair
>and his blatant obstruction attempts.
>

Actually, given the current total lack of proof of ANY of the
accusations against Trump and the tiny fact that Clinton COMMITTED
PERJURY, among other things (which is why he lost his law license),
it's something more than peanuts vs an empty peanut sack that various
nutters CLAIM has peanuts in it.

>
>Trump is being attacked because he's assaulting
>things like truth, integrity and competence of
>which he has little to none.
>

Uh, but isn't the whole 'Russian hacking' thing about THE TRUTH ABOUT
THE DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN AND HILLARY being released? So it seems that
it's people like you who want to 'assault the truth'.

<snip JonthyLoonSpew>

[Jonathan]

Half a trillion? Cite please, it's worth $110 billion now
which is LESS than what Obama agreed to sell the Saudis
just months ago.

And the estimates I've seen is 350 billion over ten years.

Most of those arm sales were already agreed upon
by Pres Obama, he just held up one part of the sale
to pressure the Saudi's to reduce civilian casualties
in Yemen.


Please try to read the news at least once a year?


"President Trump has just announced the sale of a whopping
$110 billion to Saudi Arabia..."

"Back in September, the Obama administration approved a
more than $115 billion arms deal with the Saudis. But
as the death toll and reports of human rights violations
in the Saudi-led war on Yemen began to rise dramatically,
the Obama administration nixed the sale of the
precision-guided munitions it had originally agreed
to put in the deal to try to coerce the Saudis into
curbing those atrocities."

"Now those munitions are back in the Trump arms
package — which speaks volumes about this
administration."


https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

>>
>> Wake up Fred, your boy is falling hard and fast.
>>
>
> You're still unable to wrap your head around the idea that I'm not
> pro-Trump;

To use a Fred-ism, what utter bullshit.


s

[Fred J. McCall]

That $350 billion is IN ADDITION TO the $110 billion. Now take your
shoes off and add...

>
>Most of those arm sales were already agreed upon
>by Pres Obama, he just held up one part of the sale
>to pressure the Saudi's to reduce civilian casualties
>in Yemen.
>

In other words, they weren't 'agreed upon' at all.

>
>Please try to read the news at least once a year?
>

Please try and pull your head out of your ass at least once before you
die?

<snip cite Jonthy wanted and then provided himself>

>
>>
>>>
>>> Wake up Fred, your boy is falling hard and fast.
>>>
>>
>> You're still unable to wrap your head around the idea that I'm not
>> pro-Trump;
>>
>
>To use a Fred-ism, what utter bullshit.
>

The difference is that when I say it what I'm referring to IS
bullshit. You saying it now is merely a product of your delusions.
Anyone with a pair of neurons to slap against each other occasionally
knows I'm not pro-Trump. Your delusions tell you otherwise and you
believe them. That says all that needs to be said.

Remember, Jonthy. I'm not pro-Trump. I'm anti-idiot.